Fleischer: On Iraq, ‘Saddam was the big liar.’
Fleischer: On Iraq, ‘Saddam was the big liar.’
In an interview set to air over the weekend on CNN’s D. L. Hughley Breaks the News, Ari Fleischer admits that the Bush administration was wrong to claim that Saddam Hussein had WMD in the lead up to the Iraq war, but still insists that Saddam was at fault for the war. “Saddam was the big liar here,” Fleischer concludes:
FLEISCHER: We were wrong about weapons of mass destruction being in Iraq. [...]
HUGHLEY: When you found out that you were wrong, how did that make you feel?
FLEISCHER: You just scratch your head and say, “How could we be wrong?” It wasn’t just us that thought he had weapons of mass destruction. The Egyptians thought it, the French thought it, the Germans thought it the United Nations thought it, Bill Clinton’s CIA though it. We all thought it. Saddam was the big liar here.
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But the expert weapons inspectors who were actually in Iraq said Iraq had none.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:37 pmThe french thought it?? Funny, they didn’t go to war on that. “Thinking it” is not knowing it… and or course, the way they cooked the books certainly helped them “think it”!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pmThe operative word is functional. These weapons were useless by the time we invaded.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pmThese lying scumbags just don’t give up, do they. Yadda, yadda, yadda, … the same old sheet time and time again. They are so boring and I tire of them easily.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pm1.LTdan Says:
– - Probably nothing now, since I just ratted “it” out.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pmAnd you have some sort of evidence-based argument to back up this invective, I trust?
No? You were just whining?
I see. Carry on.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pmLT, you are an ugly racist con who doesn’t deserve his own show. I won’t even get started on Beck, Limbaugh, Weiner, etc.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pmHey Ari; Remember what you told us just after 9/11.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pmWatch what you say-
BECAUSE-
Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law.
Fleisher’s trying to limbo under the war criminal designation.
History will judge him to be Bush’s Eichmann.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pmFLEISCHER: You just scratch your head and say, “How could we be wrong?”
Tsk!..and over 1 MILLION PEOPLE DIED for bush’s “ooopsie.”
Fleischer is scum.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pmYeah, he was a big poopy-pants liar. Nyah, nyah, nyah.
So we go kill innocent Iraqis. Doesn’t make any sense.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:41 pmOMG !!!!! WHAT C O J O N E S !!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:42 pmHughley is an ugly lib racist liar he doesnt deserve his own show.
Awwwww, Po’ lil’ rightwing bigot Danny boy is – surprise! – jealous of the more intelligent and successful black man.
Don’t worry lil’ fella – Rush will still let you wipe his *ss.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pmI guess they’ll be trying to revise history as long as possible.
Feb 14, 2003:
‘”Iraq is free of the so-called weapons of mass destruction — chemical, biological and nuclear,” the official Iraqi News Agency quoted the top leaders as saying. The leaders called the argument that Iraq possesses such weapons “an excuse to be used by aggressors in the Security Council as a cover for aggression.”‘
February 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pmsnip
‘France, Germany and Russia say the arms inspectors should have more time to verify Iraq’s claim that is free of banned weapons programs. But the U.S. and British governments are pushing for early U.N. authorization for an invasion of Iraq if, in their view, it isn’t complying sufficiently with the disarmament resolutions.’
“how can we be wrong” Right question – wrong time. The right time was before you went ahead with your crack pot catastrophy.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pmYes, how dare Saddam claim to have WMD’s. owai-
February 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pmUnfreakingbelievable! A new low for the Bushies…now claiming that the country they lied about lied. I need several beers just to try to understand this one.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:46 pmSaddam abided by the UN resolutions by getting rid of his WMD, allowing the inspectors in, and accounting for past WMD (12,000 pages?).
At the time we invaded Iraq, we had 24,000 TONS of sarin, vx, and mustard gas. Anniston, Alabama had 77,000 rockets of sarin and vx.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pmWell duh.. of course Saddam was lying acting like he had something to hide (that is WMDs). Saddam was using this “unknown threat” to his advantage as a deterrent against his enemies. But he was nothing but a papertiger. And the Bush administration knew it
February 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pmSo, question for ya, Ari:
how come none of the brainiacs in the Bush administration ever considered the possibility that Saddam was lying?
You guys trusted him as a man of his word or what?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pm.
… Is this a vile of “FREEDOM AGENDA” that Colin Powell is holding up?
Is it a vile filled with “DEMOCRACY DUST”?
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February 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pmI wonder if the media is going to inform Ari that the reason all those countries thought Saddam had WMD’s was because they got their bad intelligence from US! We sold the planet a bill of goods. Garbage in, garbage out.
But really, lets set the ME on fire. let’s topple our own economy, let’s ruin our reputation around the world. After all: Saddam was the liar here. /snark off
February 20th, 2009 at 4:48 pmYou don’t have much to stand on Ari, calling other people liars.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pmI’d really like to see a team of investigative journalists look into the growing story (though not yet in MSM) about the awarding of the contract for 28 new Marine One helicopters to an Italian company as quid pro quo for the forged Niger/yellow cake documents.
Why did this contract go overseas? It is against our laws for a non-US company to make Airforce or Marine One. Why 28? Why the cost overruns? Why were the Marine One pilots left out of the design and specs?
A big news day will be one where a single instance of truth came from BushCo.
PEACE
February 20th, 2009 at 4:50 pmFLEISCHER: …Saddam was the big liar here.
– - Ari, your pants are on fire.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:51 pm.
But “Fixing the facts aroud the policy” isn’t lying?
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February 20th, 2009 at 4:51 pmYes, I can’t believe that psychotically insane dictator lied to us! It’s so unfair!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:51 pmAri and Dubbie were merely the Big-ish liars.
And why would anyone take the rantings of a crazed despot at face-value in the first place?
Because they were either:
A) suckers
or
B) hell bent to invade no matter what
February 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pmhes not more successful than me the only reason CNN hired him is because hes black
I’ll give you credit for conceding he’s more intelligent, but you really shouldn’t lie about being successful.
Unless one considers willfull ignorance being “successful”.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pmAnd LTDan is a giant crybaby nancyboy.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pm.
Is the U.S. Paying Off the Italian Government for Forging the Niger Documents?
By Jeffrey Klein and Paolo Pontoniere, AlterNet. Posted February 19, 2009.
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February 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pmHmmm… LameTroll Dan claims that a man’s achievement is due solely to the color of his skin…
isn’t that kind of, well… racist?
never mind, dan. I’m sure you’ll have your own show on Faux any day now. maybe they can hire you as the new “liberal” to “balance” Hannity.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pmOops,
February 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pmForgot the link to post #33
http://www.alternet.org/audits/127832/?page=entire
Hey Dan
Who is the most successful Presidential Candidate of 2008?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:54 pmRight, Mr. Llama, it is only sensible that a leader would not want to tell his enemies that his country is defenseless.
Would it have been all right for Russia to invade Iraq and occupy it forever because they THOUGHT they had WMD? I think not.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:54 pmhes not more successful than me the only reason CNN hired him is because hes black
You’ve been a stand-up comic, actor and producer of a successful sitcom????
I find that hard to believe, unless… Kelsey Grammer? Is that you under there? No, too fat… DREW CAREY!!!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:54 pmLTdan Says:
hes not more successful than me the only reason CNN hired him is because hes black
Dear boy. I think what you are trying to say is: You are successful in allowing your allegiance to the imperial boy king Bush to trump your loyalty to your own country. You are successful in keeping limbaughs rants amplified. You are successfull in wetting your pants anytime someones says Boo!
Well Dan, Mission Accomplished. Now go away.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:54 pm.
Dear LTdan,
Got something against being black?
What do you call that kind of person?
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February 20th, 2009 at 4:55 pmLet me guess, LTdan… you believe that the only reason Donovan McNabb was able to lead the Eagles to the NFC championship game was because he’s black, right?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:55 pmwell… actually… saddam was a big liar…
he had to put on a show and brag of weapons to keep iran at bay…
correct me if i’m wrong…
it was all so convenient though… for purposes of bushco to rob the treasury and enrich their corporate warfare friends…
not?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pmLTdan Says:
hes not more successful than me the only reason CNN hired him is because hes black
February 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
__________
And your proof of this is?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pmThe Iraq war was a massive war crime and crime against humanity that was deliberately planned by Bush and all his co conspirators for war profiteering, and political advantages with his zionist fundy base. Please spare me the disgusting white washing by apologists, war criminals like Fleischer, and Lilly livered pseudo liberals.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:58 pm.
Dear Ari Fleischer,
Who’s the liar?
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February 20th, 2009 at 4:58 pm“I may be bad, but I’m not as bad as that guy.”
February 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pmHere’s another reality-based quotes I feel is only too appropriate:
February 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pm“You’re not to be so blind with patriotism that you can’t face reality. Wrong is wrong, no matter who does it or says it. ” Malcolm X.
It’s easy to make excuses, it’s hard to face reality. Will these clowns Ever, Ever stop taking the easy way out?
If you read what PNAC and the Pentagon wrote very clearly in the 90’s, they said we must control the region because of the importance of OIL. Not WMD! The Bush administration was full of people from PNAC.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pm.
It is all a wab of lies…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfQ-v_ByR30
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February 20th, 2009 at 5:04 pmgalmud Says:
Well duh.. of course Saddam was lying acting like he had something to hide
ah good… i thought so too…
February 20th, 2009 at 5:04 pm935 recorded lies!
February 20th, 2009 at 5:08 pm.
Dear Ari Fleischer,
What kind of person repeats the lies they’ve been told?
What does it make that person who believes such lies?
Why didn’t we research these lies so as to find out the truth?
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February 20th, 2009 at 5:09 pmAccording to Ron Suskind the British intelligence created a back channel to the Iraqi security chief Habbush just before the war in late 2002. Habbush told them Saddam had no WMDs. But he was scared the Iranians would find out he had none
Bush response?
“Well, why don’t you tell him to give us something we can use to make our case?”
And by summer 2003 when Habbush unsurprisingly turned out to be 100% correct the administration had to cover it up paying him 5 million to keep his mouth shut. But before that they decided to make use of him by fabricating a letter from Habbush to Saddam Hussein dated July 1 2001 listing made-up connections between Saddam and Al Qaeda and 9/11
February 20th, 2009 at 5:09 pmhttp://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/13/the_way_of_the_world_ron
Keith,
February 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pmFalse Pretenses
http://projects.publicintegrity.org/WarCard/
You know, I kinda wish LTDan had gotten his wish and that Forrest Gump woulda just left him on that battlefield…
February 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pmdoes the man stop lying?
nobody thought he had wmd’s, that’s why nobody thought we should attack
when he says “clintons cia thought it” that’s like saying “we have information that tells us japan will attack pearl harbor”
new intel TRUMPS old intel and the cia told them in NO uncertain terms saddam was NO threat
cheney’s “team b” FAKE cia INVENTED data becuase the cia REFUSED to play along
and cheney had a track record for inventing data too, he did it to undermine nixon’s treaty of detante…we KNEW cheney made up crap to create military unrest and we simply let him do it again
read this story of cheney and his fake cia here;
http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0213-28.htm
when you read that story be amazed that was published BEFORE we invaded Iraq
snippet;
what a bunch of sociopathic maniacs
February 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pmThese lying thugs always tell you all the other people in the world who thought Saddam had WMD but they never admit that they made it up. They tell you that the Democrats accused Saddam of having WMD while Clinton was President as their excuse for doing what they did. The fact still remains that W is the one who invaded Iraq and started this gross, illegal, and immoral POS. They are the liars. They are the bad guys. Admit it you lying POS.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:18 pmSo…we bombed and invaded a DEFENSELESS COUNTRY, is that what you’re saying? Based on demonstrably false evidence?
That’s good to know.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:20 pmI’m a little disappointed that LTdan didn’t stick around to defend his claim with rational arguments, authoritative corroboration and burdensome, information-laden links from objective sources, like he always does.
(wait for it…)
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!
Got you guys! You thought I was serious!
February 20th, 2009 at 5:22 pmStratRat Says:
I wonder if the media is going to inform Ari that the reason all those countries thought Saddam had WMD’s was because they got their bad intelligence from US! We sold the planet a bill of goods. Garbage in, garbage out.
Exactly! I remember the reporting at the time was that the other countries didn’t have any evidence, but we told them we did and to trust us, so they went along. Same thing they did with the Senate to get the authorization to use force, same thing they did with the American public.
But it was widely reported at the time that they were just going along with us because we promised we had classified evidence that we weren’t showing them, and they were trusting us at our word.
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LTdan Says:
Hughley is an ugly lib racist liar he doesnt deserve his own show.
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hes not more successful than me the only reason CNN hired him is because hes black
I’m sorry, who was the racist again? You’re calling him a racist, then making a racist statement about him. And please don’t try to tell me you’re more successful than D.L. Hughley. That’s just plain silly.
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Max-1 Says:
Got something against being black?
What do you call that kind of person?
President.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pmIs LTDan the guy in Forrest Gump? When is he going to jump in the lake and swim to his demise?
February 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pmMax-1, Thanks, I’ll save that one.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:36 pmElBruce,
I guess I’m not president enough to say president?
LOL
February 20th, 2009 at 5:37 pmGood call!
Keith,
February 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pmNP.
chris brown is readying his “rihanna is a liar so beating her up was justified” defense.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pmkascinca, “stupid is as stupid does”.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:40 pm“Saddam was the big liar here.”
I believe the proper response “It takes one to know one.”
February 20th, 2009 at 5:41 pmPenetrating and sophisticated foreign policy analysis from a Bush administration lackey.
Next damning condemnation: “And his mother wore army shoes!”
February 20th, 2009 at 5:54 pmSo he didn’t end it with a NANNER NANNER!!?
February 20th, 2009 at 5:56 pmLTdan Says:
YOU are an ignorant punk troll wasting oxygen a higher lifeform could be using. Do the world a favor and go kill yourself.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:13 pmLTdan Says:
Wrong he is more successful than you and not nearly as stupid you racist piece of garbage.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:15 pmFleisher is a LIAR France thought no such thing
http://www.sundayherald.com/34271
The British intelligence source said the best Humint(human intelligence from agents
February 20th, 2009 at 6:19 pm) on Saddam was held by the French who had agents in Iraq.
‘French intelligence was telling us that there was effectively no real evidence of a WMD programme. That’s why France wanted a longer extension on the weapons inspections. The French, the Germans and the Russians all knew there were no weapons there –
We all thought it.
We didn’t all thought it, Keemosabee.
I, for one, was open to the possibility at the very beginning, but quickly grew skeptical as the case for war was falling apart almost as quickly as the Bush administration could build it.
The Bush administration lied, misled, misrepresented, fabricated the evidence, ignored and belittled critics, in order to invade Iraq.
Not to mention the subsequent imprisonment of innocent Iraqis, their torture, rape, murder… Bush and his minions are guilty of war crimes.
Worrying about who lied about Iraq’s WMD at this point almost sounds quaint given the pile of evidence for all the other crimes committed by the Bush administration.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:22 pmThe UN weapons inspectors just prior to our invasion concluded that there were no WMDs. Remember them chopping up the fuselages from the medium range missile program? Remember them checking out every U.S. provided lead and concluding that they were all bunk? Remember the testimony of Hans Blix and Mohamed ElBaradei?
I don’t care what the CIA thought in the nineties. To insist that we acted on the best possible intelligence and conveniently disregarding the more recent intelligence reports is mendacious. Ari Fleischer knows that he is lying to cover his own butt.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:28 pmWhy does D.L.Hughley have a news show? Oh, it’s a comedy news show. I guess we’ve all been punked.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:31 pmNo Ari is full of shit. What happened is that there was no hard evidence there were WMD but the Bush Administration ASSUMED that Saddam had them. They made that assumption because it helped them make a case for a war that we never should have fought. History won’t forget Ari.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:31 pmLet’s review the facts and determine the big liars here.
Saddam always claimed he didn’t have WMDs.
Bush, Cheney, Fleischer and co. all claimed he did.
Saddam didn’t have weapons of mass destruction.
Now who lied and who told the truth?
February 20th, 2009 at 6:38 pmI often wonder how much better off America would be if we didn’t have to keep fighting the fires created by Zionists in Israel and by the Zionists here in America.
Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith, Ari Fleischer, Ken Adelman, Richard Pearl, Bill Kristol, etc…
February 20th, 2009 at 7:18 pmAri Fleischer’s amnesia is absolutely reality-defying. No, the French and Germans did NOT think Saddam had WMDs. That’s why they refused to support the US invasion of Iraq! It’s why, for years, people booed when the mention of anything French came up and to this day, why some Americans still don’t quite trust the French. Because they and the Germans and the weapons inspectors were right. And Bush and his faithful neocons had to twist CIA intelligence: because the Bushies were WRONG. Now Fleischer blames SADDAM instead of his former incompetent boss. Unbelievable.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:57 pmMr Ari, if saddam was a liar what were you, why did you levae the white house, you lied so much and you couldn’t take it anymore because Mr Bush was telling you to tell this tell that, you were just doing it, You and Bush was a LIAR.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:55 pmLying sack of shite. Powell, 2001:
He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his neighbors. So in effect, our policies have strengthened the security of the neighbors of Iraq…
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The sanctions, as they are called, have succeeded over the last 10 years, not in deterring him from moving in that direction, but from actually being able to move in that direction. The Iraqi regime militarily remains fairly weak. It doesn’t have the capacity it had 10 or 12 years ago. It has been contained. And even though we have no doubt in our mind that the Iraqi regime is pursuing programs to develop weapons of mass destruction — chemical, biological and nuclear — I think the best intelligence estimates suggest that they have not been terribly successful.
Source: thememoryhole.org/war/powell-no-wmd.htm
February 20th, 2009 at 10:11 pmGregor Samsa Says:
We didn’t all thought it, Keemosabee.
I, for one, was open to the possibility at the very beginning, but quickly grew skeptical as the case for war was falling apart almost as quickly as the Bush administration could build it.
The Bush administration lied, misled, misrepresented, fabricated the evidence, ignored and belittled critics, in order to invade Iraq.
I’m ashamed to say that back in 2002-2003 I did not believe that a sitting President of the United States of America would lie about critical intelligence determining the necessity to launch a war against another nation. I just thought, yeah he’s an a-hole and an idiot, but he’s the President now, and nobody would do that. I mean, not even Nixon would be so stupid or evil, so he’s gotta have some spy intel that he can’t show us. It didn’t even occur to me that any American elevated to the office of President of the U.S.A. would possibly lie about something like that. Or even if they wanted to, that they thought they could get away with it.
This is why I give Hillary and others a pass on their Senate vote: we were all bamboozled. Sure, Barack and a handful of people weren’t, but it wasn’t nearly so many as are claiming they “knew better” now. The fact is, whether or not you believe their “everything changed after 9/11″ rhetoric, they made everything change after 9/11, by making the American public accomplices to a variety of war crimes, as well as redefining every basic political reality that we had taken for granted for decades, if not centuries. Find me one person in 2002 who believed that the U.S. could ever condone torture. Or suspend habeus corpus. Or wiretap Americans without a warrant. They just didn’t exist, until Bush decided to rewrite all the rules.
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fletc3her Says:
The UN weapons inspectors just prior to our invasion concluded that there were no WMDs.
I remember we were complaining that Saddam didn’t allow them to search his palace. Like they were hidden under his bed or something… The IAEA had gave him a clean bill of health, but Republicans don’t care what the goldarn UN thinks anyways.
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fletc3her Says:
Why does D.L.Hughley have a news show? Oh, it’s a comedy news show. I guess we’ve all been punked.
I’ve watched it, and it’s really neither. Maybe he’ll pick up his stride over time. I think CNN wanted a piece of that “Daily Show” action, so they tapped Hughley, but he’s been pretty flat from what I’ve seen.
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stewarjt Says:
Now who lied and who told the truth?
The best version of Saddam I’ve ever seen is the South Park Saddam. A good enough liar knows when to tell the truth “as” a lie in order to really twist up his enemies. Seriously, the guy was amazing at keeping people guessing. And it worked pretty damn well, until he ran into someone too stupid to care about the truth either way.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:10 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
So, question for ya, Ari:
how come none of the brainiacs in the Bush administration ever considered the possibility that Saddam was lying?
You guys trusted him as a man of his word or what?
Hell, the repukes thought BOTCH was a man of his word.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:27 pmElBruce. You say you give Hillary Clinton a pass because she was bamboozled.
Watch her with code pink again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_KEWUU33Lg&feature=related
She doesn’t sound like she’s being bamboozled. She was in the White House with Bill for 8 years. They had only been out of the office for 2 years. They hired Tenet and knew all the world players at the time. She had political ambitions. She wouldn’t have taken this position if she didn’t believe it. From the way she spoke at this gathering, she based her decision on her world knowledge and her experience at the time; relatively independent from the information she was getting from the administration.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:35 pmWhat everyone seems to forget is that Russia, Britain, Germany, France, America and others all said the same thing: Saddam has WMD’s. WMD’s weren’t even the 1st thing on the list of reasons to oust Saddam. No-one here has heard of “The Mother Of All connections?”
No-one here has heard that there were about 14 flights out of Iraq to Syria and Libya during the 11 months we wasted waiting for the U.N.?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:41 pmGregor Samsa Says:
“….We didn’t all thought it, Keemosabee.”
REPLY: “Thought” it??? But I digress.
StratRat Says:
“…I wonder if the media is going to inform Ari that the reason all those countries thought Saddam had WMD’s was because they got their bad intelligence from US!”
REPLY: Can you please supply a link to anything that backs up that inference?
How’s this? http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1440001/posts
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/iraqs-wmd-secreted-in-syria-sada-says/26514/
Remember the nuclear program, supplies and machinery that Khadafi gave up so willingly? The one in the hollowed-out mountain, where 80% of the technicians were Iraqi?
TRIPOLI, Libya (AP) — The U.N. nuclear chief said Monday that his visits to four once-secret nuclear sites proved that Libya was in the early stages of a weapons program before it dismantled its efforts.
Mohammed ElBaradei and a team of experts from the International Atomic Energy Agency found equipment had been taken apart and boxed up at the sites in the capital, Tripoli.
Libya obtained its nuclear technology from a “sophisticated network” or “cartel” operating in several countries — though “not necessarily” with those countries’ knowledge, ElBaradei told reported.
He also underlined that Libya never reached the stage of enriching uranium to weapons grade. “It was a question of years, not a question of months,” he told CNN.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:54 pmWhat have you done there, Mr. Middle, besides repeat what Mr. Fleischer said?
Where, exactly, does your “knowledge” of these 14 alleged flights come from?
These post hoc justifications really don’t carry much weight. A consistent skeptic would have to conclude they represent an exercise in CYA.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:55 pmFreepers? the Sun? Hey – hows about some worldnut daily – you’ll have the trifecta.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:57 pmConcern-Trolling has to be the most tedious of the blogging arts.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:00 amHang around the middle of the road long enough, and you’ll surely get run over.
And fenceriding will give you the saddlesores quicker than a bareback ride from Yuma to Tucson.
Fish or cut bait, fellas – this is no time for waffles.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:01 amMax-1 Says:
“…Dear Ari Fleischer,
What kind of person repeats the lies they’ve been told?
What does it make that person who believes such lies?
Why didn’t we research these lies so as to find out the truth?”
REPLY: That same statement could go for most everyone on this site. You believe what you’re public school teachers told you, or the empty heads running most every college in America.
So sad.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:03 amI must admit that I never believed Iraq had WMDs or that invading Iraq was the correct thing to do in response to 911. I guess,in my cae, it could be attributed to many years of listening to republicans tell lies to American citizens, or maybe it’s a cultural thing called that old black magic, i.e., black while living in America during the 50s and 60s onward. I’ve lived through quite a few republican presidencies and have grown increasingly skeptical of their motives. My accumulated observations and knowledge have led me to these conclusions: most of them are in it for the power and for wealth; are not particularly concerned about Americans the way you would expect them to be, and use the office to further their own personal ambitions and those of their friends.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:52 amSaddam was more truthful than George W. Bush. What does that say about Bush?
February 21st, 2009 at 1:22 amFleischer forgets that Saddam Hussein filed that report with the UN in December 2002 in which he stated that he had no WMD. Bush and his minions chose to disregard the report, going so far as to refuse to look at it. So, Fleischer is lying when he says that Saddam Hussein was claiming to have WMD, which confused his boss. His boss and Cheney refused to consider any argument that Hussein offered, insisting that Hussein had WMD. Let Fleischer make his case at The Hague under oath for the truth to come out.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:48 ambackup Says:
ElBruce. You say you give Hillary Clinton a pass because she was bamboozled.
She doesn’t sound like she’s being bamboozled. She was in the White House with Bill for 8 years. They had only been out of the office for 2 years. They hired Tenet and knew all the world players at the time. She had political ambitions.
I’m not basing my opinion on what she “sounds like.” I’m basing it on the fact that the Bush administration claimed that they had seen secret evidence proving that Saddam had WMD’s and that he was a clear and present danger to the security of the United States. He said it to the Senate, he said it to England, he said it to all the potential “coalition of the willing” countries, and some of them believed him. Never before in the history of the U.S.A. had a sitting President ever lied about something like that. Nixon’s crimes would be considered petty compared to lying about a reason to start an entire war! So it would be perfectly reasonable to take him at his word when he said that the evidence existed. But it didn’t.
If Hillary knew that the evidence didn’t exist, and if she thought her best shot at the Presidency was 2008, then she would have known the smartest thing to do would be to vote against the authorization to use force so that she could be vindicated later, when no WMD’s were discovered – exactly what worked for Obama. She didn’t. Therefore, she must have believed Bush.
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Middleoftheroad Says:
What everyone seems to forget is that Russia, Britain, Germany, France, America and others all said the same thing: Saddam has WMD’s. WMD’s weren’t even the 1st thing on the list of reasons to oust Saddam. No-one here has heard of “The Mother Of All connections?”
None of those other countries had any such evidence. In fact, many of them had evidence to the contrary. When Bush apologists claim that “other countries believed Saddam had WMD’s” what they really mean is “other countries were willing to go along with Bush’s claim that he has secret evidence that Saddam had WMD’s.” The specific meetings, position changes and reasons for changing those positions had been explicitly reported on at the time: country X says they have no evidence, Bush visits country X, country X says Bush has convinced them that he has secret evidence, repeat.
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Middleoftheroad Says:
No-one here has heard that there were about 14 flights out of Iraq to Syria and Libya during the 11 months we wasted waiting for the U.N.?
Fourteen airline flights occurred between three sovereign nations in eleven months? Why, that’s shocking. I am appalled. I am both agog and aghast. Obviously if those backwards desert people were using aereoplanes, it must have been for some nefarious purpose. It’s not as if they have modern methods of travel or a society accustomed to using such.
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Middleoftheroad Says:
How’s this?
Dude, you’re quoting freepers at us. Freepers. That’s just plain sick, right there. You might as well link us to tubgirl as to goddamn freepers. It would probably be less disgusting.
I also note that your quoted text does not contain the word “Iraq.” So where’s your point?
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Middleoftheroad Says:
You believe what you’re public school teachers told you, or the empty heads running most every college in America.
So sad.
Lemme guess – homeschooled?
February 21st, 2009 at 2:34 amSaddam was a liar? So were the people who supported, financed and armed him to the teeth….eh? Reagan, Bush 41….et al….
February 21st, 2009 at 9:30 amMiddleoftheroad Says:
No-one here has heard that there were about 14 flights out of Iraq to Syria and Libya during the 11 months we wasted waiting for the U.N.?
Actually, I was more interested in the flights of Saudis(binLaden family members who were meeting with Bush41 on 911)) that occurred right after 911, while flights were terminated for everyone else ….
You know, Saudis….15/19 of the hijackers….
think on it
February 21st, 2009 at 9:33 amMiddleoftheroad Says:
REPLY: That same statement could go for most everyone on this site. You believe what you’re public school teachers told you, or the empty heads running most every college in America.
So sad.
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February 21st, 2009 at 10:00 amSeems that magical invisible hane doesn’t apply to education. Either education is not left leaning or education is left leaning becuase the marketplace of ideas demands it be. Either way middle of the road ought to get the hell out of the way and let the lanes flow freely
Fleischer: On Iraq, ‘Saddam was the big liar.’»
But turn out the big LIER is the cuurent comander in Cheif of the USA. That is right folks… Oba Oba has taken the American people’s vote and now is taking everyone for a ride.
He now
February 21st, 2009 at 11:41 am
Middleoftheroad Says:
REPLY: That same statement could go for most everyone on this site. You believe what you’re public school teachers told you, or the empty heads running most every college in America.
So sad.
Really? “You believe what you are public school teachers told you…”? Your teachers apparently didn’t teach you the proper use of “your” and “you are.”
February 21st, 2009 at 3:04 pmMiddleoftheroad Says:
You are way too stupid to be talking about anyone else’s education moron. You are a liar and a fool. Your stupidity is a wonder to behold. You do know that you cant read minds dont you? You also know you are a bone ignorant moron right?
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:39 amMiddleoftheroad Says:
You are just an ignorant living breathing talking point. I POSTED the article showing that France and Russia thought no such thing moron. Keep up with the a dog ate my WMDs argument though, its STUPID but its funny. Kay and Duelfer didnt say they couldnt FIND WMDs they said there hadnt BEEN ANY SINCE 1996 you imbecile
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:58 pmMiddleoftheroad Says: 85
You reallyl are a brainwashed idiot. Sada claimed to have a position he didnt have and made unsubstantiated claims for his own reasons. NO EVIDENCE WHATSOEVER and Kay and Duelfer both said there werent any WMDs since the mid nineties. You have to be brainwashed beyond belief to still be trying to sell this absolute tripe
February 22nd, 2009 at 5:02 pmBush lied, and thousands died.
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