Dear Rush Limbaugh, Why Are You Hell-Bent On Protecting A Radio Market That Limits Free Speech?
Dear Rush Limbaugh, Why Are You Hell-Bent On Protecting A Radio Market That Limits Free Speech?
In June 2007, the Center for American Progress and Free Press released a report titled “The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio.” It found that, of the radio stations owned by the five top commercial station owners, 91 percent of the total weekday talk radio programming on those stations was conservative. Only 9 percent was progressive. The report recommended that increasing ownership diversity of radio stations would lead to more diverse programming.
Since the release of the report, the conservative establishment, led by Rush Limbaugh, have launched a conspiracy-laden campaign to convince the American public that progressives are out to kill free speech through re-imposition of the Fairness Doctrine (something the report does not call for). In a statement that should have officially killed off the right-wing panic, the White House emphasized this week, “As the president stated during the campaign, he does not believe the Fairness Doctrine should be reinstated.”
But the White House’s answer was insufficient for Limbaugh, who is trying to use the issue to mobilize the far right. Writing in the Wall Street Journal today, Limbaugh pens a new question directed at Obama:
Dear President Obama:
I have a straightforward question, which I hope you will answer in a straightforward way: Is it your intention to censor talk radio through a variety of contrivances, such as “local content,” “diversity of ownership,” and “public interest” rules — all of which are designed to appeal to populist sentiments but, as you know, are the death knell of talk radio and the AM band?
ThinkProgress asked the authors of the original report to respond to Limbaugh. Two co-authors, CAP’s John Halpin and Free Press’s Josh Silver, gave us this response:
Dear Rush Limbaugh:
We have a straightforward question, which we hope you will answer in a straightforward way: When a handful of major media companies control who and what is allowed to be broadcast on the commercial dial, how is that not regulation of radio content? When these same companies then push out one-sided, right-wing information 90 percent of the time, how does that uphold freedom of expression?
Those of us at CAP, Free Press and other public interest organizations do not want to reinstate the Fairness Doctrine and we definitely do not want to limit free speech. We want more of it. You and other conservatives seem more interested in protecting a system that does the exact opposite.
If Limbaugh wants a debate, let’s have it.
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Thank you, Faiz.
and CAP’s John Halpin and Free Press’s Josh Silver.
more of this.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:32 amIf Limbaugh wants a debate, let’s have it.
Rush Limbaugh doesn’t want to have a debate. It’s why he’s on radio, where he talks and everyone else listens…
February 20th, 2009 at 10:34 amThat’s an old picture of Rush… he’s FAAAR more bloated and puffy looking these days. He doesn’t look good these days… renal failure?
February 20th, 2009 at 10:34 amRe: The photo
– - Blowing smoke, indeed. How apropos.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:35 am“all of which are designed to appeal to populist sentiments but, as you know, are the death knell of talk radio and the AM band?”
Does Obama really “know” that such “contrivances” as “local content” and “public interest” are the “death knell of talk radio and the AM band”?
I sure don’t. And I’d like someone to explain why they are.
Hell, I’d be satisfied if someone just explained why Limbaugh thinks those things are “contrivances”.
Or is Limbaugh just admitting that the stat6e of AM talk radio today is not in the “public interest”?
Sounds like it to me.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:36 amTwo co-authors, CAP’s John Halpin and Free Press’s Josh Silver, gave us this response
It’s an excellent response. I imagine it will be ignored. Send it anyway. We got Obama elected by standing up to intolerance, and publicizing our efforts. The American people respect those who stand up to bullies in our honor.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:37 amrushbo and the other wingnuts have absolutely no interest in a real debate. If you don’t agree with them, they shout you down. For them, free speech means that they can say any mean, spiteful, vicious, wrong, treasonous thing that they can think of for the occasion. If they get called out, they say it was a “joke,” a la coulter wanting to poison the Supreme Court Justice. The WSJ op-ed is simply a smoke screen.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:38 am“When a handful of major media companies control who and what is allowed to be broadcast on the commercial dial”
Seems to me when a handful controls the paychecks and hence, the content that talking about ‘free’ speech becomes an oxymoron.
It would be fun to see Rushbo in a moderated debate. My estimate would be 7.5 minutes to apoplexy.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:39 amwatchdog Says: The old tired and true dem trick. Let’s call it something different and the stupid rednecks will be none the wiser!
You stupid rednecks vote Republican no matter how much they steal from you to hide in Swiss bank accounts to avoid the IRS, and put you further in debt while they buy another McMansion they don’t need and you get to eat peanut butter and jelly or franks and beans for dinner again…
February 20th, 2009 at 10:39 amIf Limbaugh wants a debate, let’s have it.
What a waste of time ! It’s like debating a brick wall.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:41 amwatchdog Says:
The old tired and true dem trick. Let’s call it something different and the stupid rednecks will be none the wiser!
Kind of like the Patriot Act being one of the most anti-American pieces of legislation ever rammed down the throats of Congress? Oh yea, that was your faux/redneck, Georgie boy.
Hey watchdog, are you still crying about yesterday and the 1950s being the golden age of America?
February 20th, 2009 at 10:42 amActually no, that’s the trick of the Republican party.
Don’t call it TORTURE, call it ENHANCED INTERROGATION.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:43 amDon’t call it SPYING, call it the PROTECT AMERICA ACT.
Don’t call it MILITARY TRIBUNAL, call it MILITARY COMMISSIONS.
Don’t call it ESCALATION, call it a SURGE.
Don’t call it RELIGIOUS RIGHT, call it SOCIAL CONSERVATISM
unbelievable Says:
It’s why he’s on radio, where he talks and everyone else listens…
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And nobody sees the person who actually goes w/ that voice. Whenever Rush gets on telelvision, he’s GONE almost immediately.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:43 amWe’re forgetting our repukespeak:
pro-neocon = “fair:
anti-democracy = “fair”
anti-Democrats = “fair”
pro-radical right = “fair”
pro-big-business = “fair”
pro lower and middle class = “fair”
pro theocracy = “fair”
pro BotchCo, then and now, = “fair”
anti-Obama, then and now, = “fair”
pro-repugnant = “fair”
racist = “fair”
sexist = “fair”
pro-oligarchy = “fair”
anti-Constitution = “fair”
pro-fascism = “fair”
anti-equality = “fair”
Should we add more definitions to the lexicon?
Have I omitted any important pros or cons?
February 20th, 2009 at 10:43 amwatchdog was really fuming yesterday and was even more incoherent than usual. I guess that hasn’t worn off yet!
Tell us watchdog, what do you have against “rednecks?” You probably wouldn’t know one if they kicked you in the teeth with a steel-toed carhartt.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:45 amHas it been shown that there is an advertising market for liberal talk radio?
February 20th, 2009 at 10:45 amI wanna add my lexicon to that of liberal traitor.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:45 amGreat minds, same track, etc.
And don’t forget all the L’il Limbots, many of them on Clear Channel, which owns over 1,200 radio stations in the U.S.
In Phoenix alone, Clear Channel owns 8 stations. One of their L’il Limbots shilled for protests during President Obama’s visit there this week, piggybacking such dim bulbs as Michelle Malkin. Limbaugh himself promoted the protests on his show.
They certainly do stay on message–however simplistic–don’t they?
http://jackrabbitcafe.blogspot.com/2009/02/in-every.html
February 20th, 2009 at 10:45 amwatchdog Says:
Let’s call it something different and the stupid rednecks will be none the wiser!
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Stupid rednecks? Surely you jest. The demographic you refer as “redneck” don’t vote Dem to begin w/. They’re almost solidly GOOPer. You’ve just insulted your own base. Dang all those Homers and Gomers and Goobers…
February 20th, 2009 at 10:46 amtelestai2, exactly.
Criticism of Bushco? Bush Derangement Syndrome
Praise of Bushco? Patriotism
Criticism of Obama? Fair, Job of the press
Praise of Obama? Celebrity worship
1 News talk show, 4 guests, 3 Republicans, 1 Democrat=Balanced Discussion Panel
Keith Olbermann=Biased
Bill O’Reilly=Fair and Balanced
goes on and on…
February 20th, 2009 at 10:46 amMr. Philby Says:
“Only 9 percent was progressive.”
Who’s fault is that? Bush’s? :)
Actually, it would probably be more closely linked with anti-capitalist media monopolies Philby.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:47 amPopulist: an advocate for democratic principles; a supporter of the concept of political power being in the hands of the people.
Well, I can see where Rush, his corporate masters, and the republicans in general don’t like these ideas. They don’t like democracy — they really don’t like the part in a democracy about the power being in the hands of the people.
Watchdog — what about democracy do you hate so much that you would turn on your own country? Why do you hate america? (we have a lot of reasons why Rush hates america, but where is your hatred of democracy coming from? Are you a big money player, too?)
February 20th, 2009 at 10:47 ammarquitin Says:
Has it been shown that there is an advertising market for liberal talk radio?
With a sample size of 9% of the market, it is kind of hard to make an up or down decision. Stop being stupid anyway, if the country elected an overwhelming Democratic majority, why would they then desire to hear Cons on the radio 91% of the time? Your question is misleading and idiotic.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:49 amLimbaugh is not capable of debate, its why he has a talk show and only takes calls from those that agree with him.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:50 amlimpball blubbers:
Is it your intention to censor talk radio
paranoid much?
through a variety of contrivances,
really?
such as “local content,” “diversity of ownership,” and “public interest” rules
horrors!
— all of which are designed to appeal to populist sentiments
again, horrors!
but, as you know, are the death knell of talk radio and the AM band?
proven fallacy.
progressive radio beats out the liars easy.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:50 amwatchdog already has his tail between his legs. he’s got nothing except WHINY OUTRAGE!!! he’s one of the poorest sports out there, and on top of all of that, has a hugely difficult time making any kind of reasonable argument. he just sputters and spins out of control.
weak sauce.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:51 amCan anyone explain to me why Clear Channel has banned all of their DJ’s from playing any new music by Bruce Springsteen?
February 20th, 2009 at 10:51 amit looks like the cur may have signed on with some concern troll alter-egos, Phily and marquitin.
pathetic.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:52 amThis week is lefty loony on parade. As a Truman Democrat I have been at odds with so many people I, otherwise, agree with.
I don’t get Rush’s popularity. He is good at what he does but it’s like a soap opera. If you listen to him once a year you hear the same thing over and over again. Cut taxes, liberals suck and he has some talent on loan from GOD.
The truth is, we can’t find anyone to do well on radio. I dopn’t know what the problem is. Maybe the money isn’t good enough so all of our talent remains on the big three. I do not want to censor, restrict or otherwise arbitrarily tweak radio. If we do that, then repugs will go after the big three when they get power back. It’s just talk radio. Who cares? Let them have it. It’s such an archaic medium anyway.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:53 amMr. Philby Says:
“Only 9 percent was progressive.”
Who’s fault is that? Bush’s? :)
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Nah… it was like that before he got installed in the WH. ;-D!
BTW, you tired ducking the issue… AM radio is indeed horribly unbalanced.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:54 amI’m fairly sure the President is not going to dignify this idiot with a reply.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:55 amdrew3rd Says:
This week is lefty loony on parade.
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Define the phrase “loony left”. Please… I want to hear it.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:55 amLimbaugh and the rest do not want debates.
C’mon. Get Real.
They are in the position of being able to ignore you/us, and that is the position they do not want to abandon.
And there is no way to force or coerce them to do so.
The CorpoRats will give us back the “media” when they have drained it of all the resouerces they can, and when they have diminished the influence of the media to that of cheap cartoons…
February 20th, 2009 at 10:57 amdrew3rd Says:
If we do that, then repugs will go after the big three when they get power back. It’s just talk radio. Who cares? Let them have it. It’s such an archaic medium anyway.
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WTF? The big three?
You do realize you’re just babbling this morning, don’t you?
February 20th, 2009 at 10:57 amRush Limbaugh is a coward! He doesn’t want a fair debate. Notice how he never appears in public with people who oppose his views, he never speaks at any format in which he doesn’t control the mute button.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:58 amRush has been blowing smoke up our collective asses for years.
Bush relaxed media ownership rules for just that purpose; so the Clear Channels of the media world could control radio & T.V.
Now they do.
What they didn’t plan on was the intertubes being so effective at mass communication.
That’s also why they’re trying to build a ‘fee based’ access infrastructure, which would be controlled by corporate media.
Truth is only good to those who it benefits…that would NOT include corporate media or Lush Limpballs.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:58 amTweedster Says: …
Hey watchdog, are you still crying about yesterday and the 1950s being the golden age of America?
oh gawd… that’s my ditto-head-in-law…
February 20th, 2009 at 11:00 amdew3rd, a Native American, Truman Democrat who is at odds with the loony left this week because the USA is a melting pot of non racial issues.
Pretty much sums up your posts this week, dew.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:01 amInteresting how drew describes himself as a “Truman Democrat”.
Even when he’s trying to prove his liberal credentials he can’t get out of the 1950s.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:01 amblotchdog says:
Unlike your ideology, I do not subscribe to the notion that our society hasn’t changed much since the 1950’s.
But it forgot to add,
February 20th, 2009 at 11:01 amI DO subscribe to the notion of cutting and pasting someone else’s rebuttals as my own.
The truth is, we can’t find anyone to do well on radio. I dopn’t know what the problem is.
Idiot Ed Shultz is the “Limbaugh of the Left.”
The problem is that, on the left,. we actually have people whio think for themselves, and do not require the daily talking points to be ladled out to them like thin gruel…And Ed Shultz is NOT a “liberal,” goddamn it, anyway…
February 20th, 2009 at 11:02 amYeah, watchpup is incoherent again.
Musta been up all night barking at the moon.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:02 amHe is wildly paranoid. Yikes!
I agree with others here, “contrivances, such as “local content,” “diversity of ownership,” and “public interest” rules” is the most bizarre, disingenuous, almost hilarious thing I’ve heard this gas bag say.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:03 amUnlike your ideology, I do not subscribe to the notion that our society hasn’t changed much since the 1950’s.
The left believes, with good evidence and reason, that it hasn’t changed ENOUGH…and asswipes such as yourself are pretty much irrebuttable proof…
February 20th, 2009 at 11:05 amAsking Rush to have a debate is like asking O’Lielly not to cut off someone’s mic.
They don’t debate nor do they listen to people that may have a difference of opinion.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:05 ambut, ya know what?
it’s actually true… back in the days when unions were helping to build a strong middle class… and nation building was progressing everywhere… and workers were paid fair and living wages, and their bosses paid a fair salary only 10-20 times that of their employees… there’s more, of course…
except for jim crow and various civil rights abuses, it WAS a good time…
the boomers then got greedy.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:05 amand found their messiah in a fat bloviating slug.
If Limbaugh wants a debate, let’s have it.
to which Oxybreath responds:
February 20th, 2009 at 11:06 amHuh? What? Sorry, can’t hear you. Been chewing on Vicodin like candy lately.
In his wildest dreams!
February 20th, 2009 at 11:03 am
yup. exactly…
February 20th, 2009 at 11:06 amIf Limbaugh wants a debate, he should take on a frog.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:07 amThat’d be a fair battle of wits.
drew3rd Says:
The truth is, we can’t find anyone to do well on radio. I dopn’t know what the problem is
Who is this we you speak of? You are part of the problem – you know, being dishonest, disingenuous, and idiotic enough to truly believe that a country that is decidedly Progressive on the majority of issues would then turn around to listen to 90% Conservative dingbat drivel.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:07 ammarquitin Says:
Has it been shown that there is an advertising market for liberal talk radio?
yes.
it’s also been shown that there is a concerted effort on behalf of CONservative media to SHUT OUT advertisers of left radio.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:08 amRush, That is not the correct format for a letter to the President of the United States of America.
The letter should begin:
Dear Mr. President,
Your tone, addressing him like an old buddy or someone you know or have known for a long time, is unprofessional and belies your disdain for him and his office. You are not in a position to talk down to the President or address him in a belittling fashion.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:08 amSo… Mr. Philby… are you one who ascribes this evident ratings success in select media to a triumph in the marketplace of ideas?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:08 amBest suggestion thus far.
AM Radio is crap. It’s been crap for a long time. Time to let it die and take morons like Rush with it. Push Fox News into the corner they set up for themselves. When no progressive, dem, liberal, etc. will ever agree to go on that network they’ll become even more of a parody of themselves than they are currently.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:11 amPhilby, are you dense?
in the corporate State, corporate media are State media.
I expect NOTHING of the media, other than the propaganda they are designed to peddle. And I know how to read it.
Et vous?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:11 amwatchdog Says:
Unlike your ideology, I do not subscribe to the notion that our society hasn’t changed much since the 1950’s
Wrong and dishonest. Your favorite combo.
Your projection here is noteworthy: you are the one who seems totally pissed that society has changed since the 50s, as evidenced by your idiotic and blatantly false posts yesterday – and the day before that – and the day before that – ad nauseum.
Whatever happened to your fake news items you used to post? At least there was an iota of substance, however reactionary, to your posts that didn’t originate with your own personal dishonesty.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:12 amRushpublicans are always so scared
Why are they such cowards all the time?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:13 amI tried to contact my local station that carries Rush…
Took complaints by voice mail…. and never responded….
Made a list of the sponsors…. The ones that were mentioned during his show…. When I called them…the public relations departments were upset that their ad was aired during Rush’s show……
If you have the stomach…and listen to who his advertisers are … you will hear… Viagra, some kind of medical procedure, and etc…. no local businesses…. they don’t want anything to do with him either….
February 20th, 2009 at 11:13 amMr. Philby Says:
Nobody wants top listen to far left loons on the radio or watch them on tv. Checked the ratings, lately?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:16 amIt is funny that this clown gets probably got his tag from Harold Philby, a Soviet agent in Britain.
Why are they such cowards all the time?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:13 am
because they are in the minority and know it.
All bullies are cowards at heart. Name the GOPundit, and examine the record, and you’ll find evidence of cowardice…ALWAYS…
February 20th, 2009 at 11:16 amLittle Philby used to troll where else? Lite Blue? Slate? I fergit, but the moniker and the tome are familiar….
February 20th, 2009 at 11:17 amWow! – Hystericon Friday well under way
So many hot, manly Righty guys venting their bitter loser spleens – drives me wild with passion.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:18 amRush Limbaugh is an ass looking for a hole and he fond one in the Republican Party.
“I have been attacked by Rush Limbaugh on the air, an experience somewhat akin to being gummed by a newt. It doesn’t actually hurt, but it leaves you with slimy stuff on your ankle.” ~Molly Ivens
February 20th, 2009 at 11:19 amMr. Philby… any response?
Do you ascribe the ratings success of conservative content in certain media to a triumph in the marketplace of ideas?
If not, to what to you attribute it?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:19 ammr. pillby
big difference between
free speech
and
free hateful vitriol
February 20th, 2009 at 11:19 amI agree we probably don’t need the government to step in and require equal time for opposing opinions. It would be a decent thing to do but the government shouldn’t be in the position to dictate it.
What the government should do is enforce honesty in broadcasting. Hiding behind ‘opinion’ should not supersede facts. Anyone broadcasting on the public airwaves should be held strictly accountable for the factual accuracy of even their opinions.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:19 amwhat will you poor righty mf’s do when ol pigboy finally keels over from a massive heart attack?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:20 ammr. p.
do you have a picture?
rush does.
:)
February 20th, 2009 at 11:20 amrush is seeing his radio career spiral down the toilet so he’s taken a job as a ventriloqist’s dummy.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:22 amoh heck no Hooda – it’s nothing at all like yelling fire in a crowded theater.
it’s like yelling fire in a crowded city – stampeding millions of dummies, causing billions in damage.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:22 amOf course Obama should just ignore Rush from here on out.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:23 amWow. Rush is really fat in that picture. Like John Daly in the off-season fat. Like John Goodman in 5 years (if he lives that long ) fat.
The difference in the mind of progressives and regressives essentially makes the point of “fairness on the airwaves” moot. The progressive mind is open to debate and consideration, the regressive is more likely to accept directed lecture. The internet, print, and the tv shows with real discussion (even the Beltway Boys on Fox or the McLaughlin Group) appeal to the left, whereas Hannity and Rush appeal to the right.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:23 ami’m sorry mr. p
that wasn’t rush,
that was jeff christie!
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February 20th, 2009 at 11:25 am@ 81 They follow that old engineering axiom:
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Mr. Philby Says:
Talk radio icon Michael Savage is joining forces with a Michigan-based civil rights advocacy organization to protect free speech by fighting the return of the so-called “Fairness Doctrine.”
Too lazy to provide a link to WorldnetDaily huh? The Thomas More Law Center? Hardly a civil rights advocacy group…
February 20th, 2009 at 11:26 amThe issues the center pursues, mostly through litigation, are generally in line with modern social conservativism: opposing same-sex marriage and other gay-related causes; opposing pornography; supporting pro-life positions and initiatives, and opposing the removal of the Ten Commandments and other religious monuments from municipal and school buildings.
“local content,” “diversity of ownership,” and “public interest” are the death knell of talk radio and the AM band?
How so exactly? What a drama queen Rush is!
February 20th, 2009 at 11:28 am69 Mr. Philby Says:
Why can’t you honestly source your posts? Why the subterfuge about TMLC? They are fighting the culture war and they don’t claim to advocate civil rights if they aren’t talking about Christian rights.
See it is hard to respect your arguments when you always have to spin, mislead, and distort. Any chance of having a valid point is sullied by your half-truths and dishonesty.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:30 amZimzone Says:
Bush relaxed media ownership rules for just that purpose; so the Clear Channels of the media world could control radio & T.V.
sorry, but that was started by reagan, finished off by b.clinton…
February 20th, 2009 at 11:34 amMr Philby the Liar cites an organization who is crazy for censorship (must BAN porn!), wants to make sure inequality prevails (God HATES teh gays!), ties up the courts with cases clearly violating the Constitutional separation of Church and State, and also wants to control women’s reproductive rights.
So why, Mr. Philby, did you refer to this as a civil rights organization? Why are you afraid to call a Christian advocacy group a Christian advocacy group? Afraid of “persecution?” Nah, just a liar.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:34 amTweedster, it’s beginning to look to me like our friend Mr. Philby patterns his blog interaction after his mentor’s — that is, Limbaugh.
Mr. Philby seems to be eager to preach to us, but when we ask him to engage in a reasonable discussion, he disappears.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:35 amralph –
Mr. Philby seems to be eager to preach to us, but when we ask him to engage in a reasonable discussion, he disappears.
Seriously, these people are cowards.
I am in no way against having a healthy discussion about the issues.
Last week, I was confused about the big fuss concerning pay -for-performance, asked a reasonable question and got some good answers. Why can’t there be anyone from the right that is sincere on these boards?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:38 amI was just thinking about the “ratings” of talk radio and began to wonder something. In my locale, I can easily find Rush on four or five radio frequencies and there are no stations which carry the progressive talk shows. When a rating is done and a person says they listen to Rush, does each station in that local get “credit”, thus boosting the rating for each station and for Rush? We had progressive radio on a low power station in Columbus Ohio but it has been dumped (twice) when the station changed hands. Thus, it has never had the opportunity to build a following.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:39 amwho else is stoked that it’s Friday AND there are a bunch of nitwits bouncing around in here with bullseye’s on their jammies??
February 20th, 2009 at 11:41 amdrew3rd Says:
EVERY week is the STUPID DISHONEST RIGHT on parade even the ones that claim to be Truman Democrats.
There are most likely three aspects as to why Liberals dont do as well on radio. First I dont think the preaching to the choir format appeals to liberals. We dont tune into anyone to find out what we think the way the right does. The number of times the wingnuts here come in and just repeat virtually verbatim what Rush or Hannity told them is pathetic. Two when liberals begin to do well they get fired. Jim Hightower was KILLING in the ratings and just went national, Disney bought the network and fired him. The liberal message often includes corporate malfeasance and corporations dont want to support that and three. Radio is not paid for by listeners but by ADVERTISING. Do you think the McLaughlin group on PBS for example ever got any ratings at ALL? Why was it on so long? Jack Welch of GE liked the guy. A conservative curmudeon who was never much of a journalist. ADVERTISING is dont primarily by business and that is by and large a conservative block.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:43 amTweed – captain backup is as close as you’ll get, and when I’ve had longer discussions w/him it seems i’ve just pissed a couple hours away into a black hole – might as well talk to your dog.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:44 amo.k. Must delve a little into exactly what Rush is afraid of here:
against: “local content,”
In other words, syndicated (national) content — like, well, Rush’s show. No self-interest there. Furthermore, who needs local content on a talk show? You don’t need to know what is going on locally, unless it is big enough to make national news.
Against: “diversity of ownership,”
Ah, yes… because NOTHING says “healthy capitalism and free-market in action” like “monopoly“.
and against “public interest”
Beacuse the media should not be focused on the public interest: the media exists to propell the propoganda and to tell poeple what to think. Public interest has nothing at all to do with media, except ratings, and those only mean something when the numbers are in your favor (where they substantiate the ultimate truth af all things Rush says), otherwise they are just a bunch of numbers that don’t reflect reality.
That about right? thought so.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:45 amMr. Philby Says:
Nobody wants top listen to far left loons on the radio or watch them on tv. Checked the ratings, lately?
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No one wants to read the ignorant semi coherent stupidity posted by morons like YOU and yet here you are. How is it you lying morons say the media networks are all liberal then claim no one wants to watch liberals when the network ratings DWARF that of any cable chanell? You do realize you are an astonishingly ignorant troll dont you?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:46 amTweedster, to be honst I’m not sure whether I chased away Mr. Philby when I addressed a reasonable question to him, or if you chased him away when you busted him on that dishonest “civil rights advocacy organization” crap.
I suspect either by itself would have been enough to send him back to his lair, but together… he had no chance.
But who knows? He may screw up what little courage he does possess to the point where he shows up and ignores both of us.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:47 amtombaker Says:
Tweed – captain backup is as close as you’ll get, and when I’ve had longer discussions w/him it seems i’ve just pissed a couple hours away into a black hole – might as well talk to your dog.
Good point Tom. Once it gets past the point of the initial break from logic/reality, the conversation slowly circles the drain…
February 20th, 2009 at 11:47 amralph the wonder llama Says:
Tweedster, to be honst I’m not sure whether I chased away Mr. Philby when I addressed a reasonable question to him, or if you chased him away when you busted him on that dishonest “civil rights advocacy organization” crap.
I suspect either by itself would have been enough to send him back to his lair, but together… he had no chance.
I wonder if he looked like Max Headroom when he gets overloaded…
February 20th, 2009 at 11:48 amMr. Philby Says:
My GOD you are stupid and brainwashed. You just regurgitate whatever you are told to believe like the stupid little propaganda parrot you are. There is NO free speech issue involved in the fairness doctrine as the Supreme Court said DIRECTLY in the Red Lion decision. Dont you know what a retard you make yourself look like when you are stupid enough to repeat the stupidity these screechmonkeys program you with? These guys have nothing but contempt for morons like you. They KNOW they are talking nonsense and that the stupidest people in the world like you CLEARLY are will just repeat it because you are too stupid to think for yourself.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:50 amHUSHlimbaugh
February 20th, 2009 at 11:51 amTweedster and tombaker, its been a long time since I devised it and I have forgotten my own rule but I once advocated a “three strikes and you’re out” guideline for my responding to trolls. They get to make two unsubstantiated, illogical, irrelevant, or bash-only comments in any thread. After the third, I would talk about but not to them. For the attention-seekers especially this seems useful.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:52 amtombaker, I was one of b’cup’s strongest advocates here for a long time, dating back to when he was the Cap’n, but no more. He can make a good show of fair-mindedness, but as you say, once that break point is reached, he’s no better than T-_5 or Tim Vacuous.
He is still a cut above Troll John Kerry, though.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:53 amPhilly is ignorant and dishonest typical rightwing troll
February 20th, 2009 at 11:54 amAnyone out there know where to buy Troll repellent spray?
It smells like Rush, burns your brain & eyes, but leaves no lasting marks.
Expensive, but useful…
February 20th, 2009 at 11:54 amPLC, that did seem to work, didn’t it?
‘Course, that was back when we were overrun with trolls. Things aren’t so bad these days, and the few trolls we do have now, we need to play Whack-A-Troll™ with.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:55 amSlightly off topic, but Rush hates America. He wants the economy to collapse. If under the Bush administration Democrats had talked anything like he does (wanting Obama to fail) they would have been torn apart by the press, but Rush gets a pass.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:55 amRighties always advocate for the Law of the Jungle, right up until the jungle comes knocking at their door. Then they wet their pants and call for the cavalry to save them.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:55 amZim – I’ve discovered recently that “coming on” to them is very effective.
Use that inherent homophobia they all possess to your advantage.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:57 amtombaker Says:
Zim – I’ve discovered recently that “coming on” to them is very effective.
Use that inherent homophobia they all possess to your advantage.
Thanks, I’ll keep that in mind. But…if they start any heavy breathing or pulling out loofahs, I’m out of here!
February 20th, 2009 at 12:00 pmBring it on!
February 20th, 2009 at 12:01 pmSpeaking of which… did you ever get any of the trolls to make out with ya?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pmRush is a ticking time bomb, a fat, cigar smoking, narcotic abuser. If he had any talent like John Belushi, John Candy and the rest of them he’d be dead already. The only thing keeping him alive is his mediocrity.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:02 pmThat fat, ugly barstid needs to drop dead.
And no, I’m not sorry for that sentiment.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:04 pm“right-wing information”
DIS-information would be more accurate.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:04 pmDidn’t read all of the posts but one thing is clear.
rush will not be goaded into a debate. He knows that if he is not in total control of the discussion that he will be shown to be the fool that he is.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:11 pmI guess you mean like President Barack Obama? Seems like a lot of people are listening to him and they didn’t have to……did you check that poll troll?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:13 pmdrive by troll Says:
lies that rush told him to repeat……demand rush to debate or he is a coward troll……
February 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
Tweedster and tombaker, its been a long time since I devised it and I have forgotten my own rule but I once advocated a “three strikes and you’re out” guideline for my responding to trolls. They get to make two unsubstantiated, illogical, irrelevant, or bash-only comments in any thread. After the third, I would talk about but not to them. For the attention-seekers especially this seems useful.
Good thinking.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pmdrive by troll Says:
PROGRESSIVE radio DOES NOT work.
Then why are your troll-kin and papa rush so scared of it?
How many times do we have to say it has no substance or ideas.
Keep at it friend, doesn’t make it the least bit trut, but that doesn’t stop you.
The listeners do not have the attention span and the hosts are boring and hateful.
Coming from a idiot with the name of drive by troll, this is pretty ironic.
Its funny that the government has to step in for the Democrats its pathetic and illegal actually.
You appreciate media conglomerates and huge corporations. It is great to see you reveal your anti-free market ideals in the name of monopolies.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:17 pmHey, Tweedster, looks like I called it — Mr. Philby gathered enough courage to show up again, but not enough to actually respond to either you or me.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:18 pmIs Rush Limbaugh good for America? That depends upon which America you are talking about. He is great for the United Corporations Of America because he pushes the pro-corporation agenda while filling his ignorant listeners with distorted, delusional lies about the opposition. He is dangerous for the United States Of America as he inflames and divides America with his blatant lies.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:19 pmOkay, drive-by troll, perhaps you can step in for Mr. Philby and answer this question — do you attribute the ratings success of conservative content in certain media to a triumph of ideas in the marketplace?
(It seems that you might.)
February 20th, 2009 at 12:20 pmThank God for the internet. These right-wing blokes took broadband infrastructure expansion into rural areas out of the stimulus bill because they could not bare the thought of their main constituents having access to alternative information. They want to destroy public television so that corporate American can enforce their agenda on the population and keep them dumb and happy with reality tv and sports. We need to prevent the corporate takeover of America by pressuring Congress and the White house to break apart their monopolies and give more power to local content and public information. That’s what these con’s are really afraid of, the public actually waking up and taking back what is theirs….the public airwaves!
February 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Interesting how drew describes himself as a “Truman Democrat”.
Even when he’s trying to prove his liberal credentials he can’t get out of the 1950s.
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That one had me scratching my head too, ralph.
WTF? A “Truman Democrat”?
I don’t think drew is even old to remember Truman.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pmRushbo and company are sooooo popular they are stuck on the AM band. Can’t make the step up to FM. His Porcine Majesty on TV? I’m surprised he allows pictures. Folks might get the idea that he just another overweight white guy with beady eyes who supports the Viagra industry.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Hey, Tweedster, looks like I called it — Mr. Philby gathered enough courage to show up again, but not enough to actually respond to either you or me.
Yep, now he’s just saying things that are blatantly false without the premise of making them even sound half-true. I guess he’s just going through the motions.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pmSomeone pass the obomber a drool rag.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pmMr. Philby Says:
Agreed. Which is why nobody listens to liberal radio………
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BUT… when Malkin talks about stringing up reporters from light poles or Coulter babbles on about poisoning judges, thta’s… NOT hate radio?
What say you, Mr P?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:23 pmMr. Philby Says:
If you want to be taken seriously you have to make sense. No one on the planet is more hateful than rush…..makes your argument kind of idiotic.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pmAn ongoing MBA…sounds painful. Have you consulted a healthcare professional?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:26 pmMr. Philby Says:
I say change the dial. I guess you missed the posts I got from RIGHT HERE where your peeps were cheering to hang Bush. My bad.
You also overlooked the one where you distorted the nature of the Thomas More Law Center. What gives liar?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:27 pmThe liberal talk radio station in Seattle does just as well as each of the conservative talk radio stations. Admittedly, there is only one liberal station and several conservative stations, but still, it’s not like it has any problem attracting listeners. And then there are still several news stations, both NPR and at least one truly local station, that don’t have an ideological bent.
One of the conservative talk radio stations acquired the rights to broadcast the local NBA team a couple years back. If we wanted to listen to games we had to listen to that station. We did cringe every time we heard an ad for Limbaugh or the other hate mongers.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:28 pmMr. Philby Says:
Fred Says:
Please show me where I even MENTIONED Rush.
I mean, all I mentioned was Michael Savage – he is n’t hateful at all, right Mr. Pib?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:28 pmbarack obomber Says:
No mention that the conservatives talk shows receive no government assistance…
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W/out seeing the books, it’s impossible to know what’s going on there.
But we do know major American corps deliberately BLACKLISTED Air America.
Air America on Ad Blacklist? ABC document: Sponsors shun liberal network
10/31/06
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2983
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Any chance the “profitability’ of AM HATE talk radio is as illusory as the success of rightwing books… you know, the ones bought up in bulk to push them on the NY Times best sellers list, that are then sold off at MAJOR discounts… ’cause no one in their right mind would pay good money for Coulter’s incoherent gibberish?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:28 pmMr. Philby is obviously one of Rush’s human anal cysts who comes here to support his fat ass boss/God.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pmexcellent!
ed schultz wants to respond to this, on the pages of WSJ…
he’s asked for the space…
he’s asking his listeners to maybe email the WSJ and ask if
ED SCHULTZ can have equal time…
think it’ll happen?
i knew when murdoch bought the WSJ it would be another fox…
February 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pmhow low can it go…
Thanks for helping make the case. Private money means they control the message…..that’s why it’s wrong…
February 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pmed reporting:
demint is going to FORCE a vote to make sure there is no fairness doctrine…
February 20th, 2009 at 12:34 pmMr. Philby Says:
I say change the dial.
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Nice rhetorical trick. When your argument loses on its lack of merits, move the goal posts.
You said “no one listens to liberal radio” because of the hateful vitriol.
I gave you two EXCELLENT examples of the endless hateful vitriol righties spout all day long on the radio.
Suggesting one “change the channel” doesn’t change the fact that right wing radio OOZES hatred and vitriol every minute of every day.
You’re not very good at this, are you?
BUT… it was an excellent straw man.
Prolly even fooled yourself w/ that one, huh?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:34 pmMurdoch is bleeding money
Wont be long until they start having to shut down the mouthpieces for greed.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:34 pmYou did, you mentioned hateful. Look it up, there is a picture of rush.
You can’t just attack liberals for being rude if you conveniently discount rush and his ilk. It makes you look, well, stupid.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:35 pmThe FACT is if it were progressive radio stations that greatly outnumbered conservative radio, clowns like Rush and the rest of the reich would be all for the Fairness Doctrine The only reason they are against the Fairness Doctrine is because their hero Ronny Raygun is the one who overturned it.
AM talk/hate radio is what fuled the growth of the radical rightwing extremists, make it fair again and they will start dying off and the country will be a better place for it.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:35 pmfuled = fueled
February 20th, 2009 at 12:35 pmbarack obomber Says:
What an idiot…
Air America failed, NPR stinks.
Tip number one: don’t put a period on the end of a group of words that isn’t a complete sentence.
So now the government wants to step in to silence conservatives.
The air-waves have become a monopoly. Have you studied about those during your “ongoing MBA?” They aren’t really desirable in a free-market economy, but you don’t seem to care about that.
Just because the ideas suck and liberals are too stupid to listen to talk radio.
Yes, the ideas on right-wing talk radio suck. Since we can acknowledge that, it would stand to reason that it would be stupid to listen to sucky ideas. You seem to disagree.
You have no attention spans and should just stick with you rap music.
Based on your sentence fragments and general incoherence, I suggest you should try to concentrate more. You know, squeeze a couple seconds extra out of your attention deficit and turn it into a span.
Shame on the fairness doctrine, I can’t wait for a vote on it to see who supports it.
I don’t think that article mentioned anything other than the fact that Obama’s administration will NOT push for the Fairness doctrine. Add reading comprehension to your list of “things you should work on.”
No mention that the conservatives talk shows receive no government assistance which ;liberals need ALWAYS. Its a little thing called CAPITALISM and supply and demand. Simple economics coming from an “uneducated troll ” like myself (even though I have an ongoing MBA.) Peace.
Always and never – two concepts you always use, yet cannot seem to prove. What is with the semi-colom? Dude, you suck.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pmBwah. Limbaugh didnt win any elections in 2006 or 2008.
And Demint is worried about a fairness doctrine?
Let em rant, play blame game, point fingers, kick their feet and flail their arms…that form of political whining doesnt work anymore, people are tired of the Rovian feigned anger, posturing, whisper campaigns and political canards.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:39 pmMr. Philby Says:
“You also overlooked the one where you distorted the nature of the Thomas More Law Center. What gives liar?”
Did I claim to author the piece? Your desperation is showing, again.
You posted an uncredited and uncited “article.” You implied authorship by not attributing it to who actually wrote it. You are either a plagarist or a liar or both. I’m not desperate for pointing that out.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:39 pmMr. Philby Says:
Liberal talk radio has of course failed miserably every time it has been tried, all the while watching it’s conservative counterpart’s success soar.
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One more time… since you chose to deliberately ignore it above…
Gee… could a deliberate BLACKLISTING by corporate America have anything to do w/ this?
Why is the right wing getting its CHENEY kicked for it online?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:39 pmActually, it is you who are desperate. It is not our monopoly on the message that is under fire, it is yours…..
deal with it loser.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pmCute little righties, all in a row
the black man won the ‘lection
now they’re all eating crow
(Happy Friday Righties!!! cha-CHING!! let’s make out)
February 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pmMr. Philby Says:
Which might lead one to believe that Senator Stabenow, in addition to her zealous will to slam the fist of government down upon her opponents, has some business skin in the game as well. If you can’t beat ‘em, censor ‘em.
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Gee… leaping to conclusions you can’t prove? But… you still get to condemn someone because “it might be true”? Sorry… that pig can’t fly.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pmAir America was blacklisted and Lol- NPR is fantastic! Seriously, you want to talk about “too stupid” or too small of attention span, if you don’t get NPR, you’ve really out-ed yourself. And the reason NPR obtains public funds is so that they don’t have to shill corporate crap (ie., Health news brought to you by Coca Cola and Phillip Morris!”
Unlike Sean Hannity who was caught shilling for that Stanford fool, currently under investigation by the SEC.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pmMr. Philby, you are really desperate now. You’ve boxed yourself in! You have nowhere to turn as the lies comes crashing down around you!
You never attributed your post RE: Michael Moore and the MI-based “civil rights group” to anyone. THEN you say you didn’t claim authorship of something you posted. However, the citation would have to have been given to preclude anyone from mistakenly thinking you authored what YOU posted. You lying sack of lies!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 12:43 pmMr. Philby you are the ones who’s desperation is obvious to all.
You were able to maintain your monopoly over the media while bush and gumble did your bidding but those days are over.
Now you will have to redefine yourselves or remain defined as the gutter snipes that were rejected by America in the 06 and 08 elections and on into the future. Your choice.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:44 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Mr. Philby Says:
Which might lead one to believe that Senator Stabenow, in addition to her zealous will to slam the fist of government down upon her opponents, has some business skin in the game as well. If you can’t beat ‘em, censor ‘em.
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Gee… leaping to conclusions you can’t prove? But… you still get to condemn someone because “it might be true”? Sorry… that pig can’t fly.
Don’t worry TRoS, LIAR Philby will claim he didn’t author what you just responded too once the heat is on.
He has no cojones and he’s a sucker for being called dishonest.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:44 pmJK – rocking the bold-face!! woo-hoo to you bro!!!
can’t wait to get your money and spend it all on crack, tattoos and manwhores
gonna laugh all the way to the day-spa.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:45 pmfacts are facts jk, you are an idiot.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:45 pmJohn Kerry Says:
FACTS ARE FACTS libs!!
Oh yea!!! Democratic Presidency, Democratic majorities in place and set to grow in 2010!!! Fact is – your side LOST!!!
Bold type can’t distract the real-world from that delicious FACT.
LOLOLOL
February 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pmHeres a few question for Rush:
A: Compare Bush Jr spending with previous presidents: who spent more?
B: Have tax cuts produced jobs?
C: Did tax cuts reduce government spending?
D: Did the Iraq war pay for itself?
E: How did deregulation help lead to the economic problems we have today?
F: Why did Bush abandon his ‘free market’ ideology to bailout the auto industry and investment banks and AIG?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pmMr. Philby Says:
“could a deliberate BLACKLISTING by corporate America”
Link to source, please.
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I already posted the link once this morning and you conveniently ignored the first time:
Air America on Ad Blacklist?
ABC document: Sponsors shun liberal network
10/31/06
An internal memo from ABC Radio Networks to its affiliates reveals scores of powerful sponsors have a standing order that their commercials never be placed on syndicated Air America programming that airs on ABC affiliates.
Going to pretend a second time you didn’t see it?
I’d hate to see facts get in the way of a perfectly good, pointless, self-serving screed on you part.
Unlike so many of your brethern trolls, I actually READ the articles I link to before posting. Just to make sure I understand what I’m saying.
I repeat… you’re not very good at this, are you?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pmActual link for you…
http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=2983
February 20th, 2009 at 12:47 pmMr. Philby Says:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
The First Amendment doesn’t give you permission to plagiarize another person’s work.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:47 pmWell, Mr Philby, head down to your local movie theatre and cry fire and see what happens.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:48 pmLets take the case of Ben Maller, who read conservative books, and then proceeded to a church and shot people because it was their fault [something he got from incitement pundits] he lost his job.
There is a difference between free speech and inciting violence
February 20th, 2009 at 12:50 pmMr. Philby Says:
“Gee… leaping to conclusions you can’t prove?”
Like?
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Mr. Philby Says:
WHICH MIGHT LEAD ONE TO BELIEVE that Senator Stabenow, in addition to her zealous will to slam the fist of government down upon her opponents, has some business skin in the game as well. If you can’t beat ‘em, censor ‘em.
WHICH MIGHT LEAD ONE TO BELIEVE…
Sorry, but that is CONJECTURE on your part.
However, when I post a link to an ABC internal memo about blacklisting Air America… that’s a “fact”…
Again… you’re not very good at this, are you?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:50 pmA little pie in the sky. Two radio stations, one left, one right, pick a piece of bandwidth. Government funded with identical amounts. Pick one of the current moguls to run the Right station and one of the Left types to run the Left station.
No advertising and neither manager has any say over pay for workers or guests. All pundits paid the same amount for appearing. Let it run for a year.
Oh, and once a week there would be a mutually broadcast round table discussion with two sets of folks judging. One set, picked at random from voter registration lists. The other, a group tasked with monitoring factual content. This group would have a gong button used to call participants for fallacious content.
Anyone care to bet the outcome?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:50 pmMr. Philby Says:
“You lying sack of lies!!!”
Attacking the messenger, now? Very telling.
No, I’m calling you out for what you are.
You posted an “article” without any citation. Plagiarizing its content – a form of lying if you will.
You then tried to claim you never asserted authorship, even though authorship of a post is implied due to lack of citation. So you distorted the truth there.
You have lied throughout this post. It isn’t an attack, it is an observation. I’m not threatening you by calling you a liar, I am describing your actions on this board.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:50 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Again… you’re not very good at this, are you?
I sometimes feel badly for liars who are really slow on the up take, but then again…no I don’t.
I’ve got to eat some lunch – keep bashing these troll TRoS!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 12:51 pmMr. Philby, rush and right wing commentators could not survive if they did not operate just as bush did.
They screen questions and audience members and only allow those that cheerlead for what they say. It’s really embarassing when you put it into perspective.
Your notions survive here no better than rush’s would if someone were allowed to counter his rantings……
February 20th, 2009 at 12:52 pmRequiring honesty is not an abridgment of freedom of speech.
February 20th, 2009 at 12:55 pmMr. Philby Says:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
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Constitution of the United States of America
We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE… as to do w/ the concept of the commons.
Radio stations may be privately owned businesses, but they use the air waves… which are considered part of the commons.
Again… you’re just not very good at this, are you?
February 20th, 2009 at 12:56 pmMr. Philby Says:
I believe you misunderstood or are being dishonest. The memo said that “the advertisers do not wish to advertise on air America affiliates.” Sorry to pop your bubble.
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Sorry.. but our sematical gyrations don’t change the underlying facts…
Headlined “Air America Blackout” and addressed “Dear Traffic Director”—referring to the radio station staffer who coordinates programming and advertising—the memo gives the following order to affiliates:
Please be advised that Hewlett Packard has purchased schedules with ABC Radio Networks between October 30th and December 24th, 2006. Please make sure you blackout this advertiser on your station, as they do not wish it to air on any Air America affiliate.
The directive then advises ABC Radio Network affiliates to take note of a list of other sponsors who do not want their programming to run during Air America programming.
Please see below for a complete list of all advertisers requesting that NONE of their commercials air within Air America programming.
The list, totaling 90 advertisers, includes some of largest and most well-known corporations advertising in the U.S.: Wal-Mart, GE, Exxon Mobil, Microsoft, Bank of America, Fed-Ex, Visa, Allstate, McDonald’s, Sony and Johnson & Johnson. The U.S. Postal Service and the U.S. Navy are also listed as advertisers who don’t want their commercials to air on Air America.
The ABC memo is evidence of the potentially censorious effect that advertisers’ political preferences can have on the range of views presented in the media. When Al Gore proposed launching a progressive TV network, a Fox News executive told Advertising Age (10/13/03): “The problem with being associated as liberal is that they wouldn’t be going in a direction that advertisers are really interested in…. If you go out and say that you are a liberal network, you are cutting your potential audience, and certainly your potential advertising pool, right off the bat.” (See Extra!, 11-12/03.)
Again, did you even bother to read the article?
You’re just not very good at this, are you?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:00 pmMr. Philby Says:
Look up the word “amendment” and get back to me.
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Look up the phrase “the common welfare” and get back to me.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:00 pmIt’s so cute how the trolls always try so hard to defend the honor of Limpy — as if he would piss on any of you if you were on fire.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:02 pmAs stated before, when information transmitted over public airwaves is dictated by private economic concerns, ‘Free’ speech becomes an oxymoron.
It is bought and paid for.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:03 pmHe might, Zooey. Not to put out the fire but just to hear the sizzle.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:05 pmMr. Philby Says:
I say change the dial.
To what??? ANOTHER Clear Channel station broadcasting the same right-wing ego-maniac? That’s the situation here in Ohio. There is no choice to listen to a progressive talk show (BTW “Air America” is not the only one). Corporate types took that choice away – twice.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:05 pmOh Pillsbury, you parsimonious popinjay…
we won.
your angst has been relegated to the backwater slough of the am radio dial, and in another couple years you’ll be maintaining contact with your “community” via shortwave.
I know, it hurts not to have a worthy figurehead in the public spotlight any more, but you’ll get over it. I’m sure the good brethren down at the John Birch Society pancake breakfast and caged animal shoot will lift your spirits – get on down there and blow off some steam with some folks who can appreciate your “special” love of Country.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:05 pmHoodathunk Says:
Requiring honesty is not an abridgment of freedom of speech.
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I dunno, Hooda… when sued in court by two ex-employees, Fox beat the case by claiming they didn’t have to tell the truth as a “news outlet”.
In effect, Fox said, “Hey… we can lie if we want to!”
February 20th, 2009 at 1:05 pmMr. Philby Says:
“the common welfare”
Doesn’t fly, here.
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TRANSLATION: Since I can’t refute the principle, I’ll ignore it.
Nice straw man… and again, you’re not very good at this, are you?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:07 pmTRoS, I didn’t say it wasn’t happening (thanks to Rayguns and the Bush clan).
February 20th, 2009 at 1:08 pmNope Pillsbury, just the millions of people who elected the new President and raised more $$ for him than anyone ever has.
Doesn’t sound like a market to me.
Sounds like a Revolution!!!
And you’re on the wrong side of it. Better buckle up, scout.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:11 pmMr. Philby~
As no one is seriously thinking of reinstating the ‘fairness doctrine’ (more’s the pity) one has to wonder… why is AM radio obsessed with keeping on top of this non-issue?
Could it be that they have no solutions, no sense, no shame?
And are therefore working their loyal listeners (that’s all you ‘free-thinking’ ditto-heads, another oxymoron) into a lather just to keep them distracted from the disaster that is the political right?
hmmm, could be…
February 20th, 2009 at 1:11 pmMr. Philby Says:
Oh, I read it. So, you want to force companies to advertise where they don’t wish to advertise?
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Wow… you really brought all your straw men w/ you this morning, didn’t you?
I never said they should be forced to advertise where they don’t wish to.
AND, when so many major corporations band together and decide EN MASSE to not advertise on ANY Air America shows, that is blacklisting.
I know… I know… it’s embarrassing when you can’t win on merits…
Practice, m’boy… practice!!!
Perhaps some vitamins… more roughage in yer diet… less self-gratification…
February 20th, 2009 at 1:11 pmSo, Mr. Philby, you want corporations to dictate what social and political information is available to the general public to access and, thereby, to control the debate (all with the public airwaves)?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:11 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
So, Mr. Philby, you want corporations to dictate what social and political information is available to the general public to access and, thereby, to control the debate (all with the public airwaves)?
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Hey… corporations are human beings too, ya know…
Well.. at least they claim they should have the same rights as human beings…
February 20th, 2009 at 1:12 pmThe founding fathers did everything they could to put together a system of government that could combat the oligarchic power they were denying.
Since then, the oligarchs have done everything they could to undo the damage.
Since 1968, they have made great progress.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:13 pmMr. Philby Says:
“There is no choice to listen to a progressive talk show”
No market?
Nice job of deliberately ignoring my next sentence which answers your flippant “no market” question. There is no “market place” because the conservative corporate people won’t build one!
February 20th, 2009 at 1:13 pmMr. Philby Says:
The Republic of Stupidity
The First Amendment trumps your “common welfare” argument.
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“Trumps it”??? WTF???
Please find me the recognized Constitutional argument that says that.
PLEASE>>>!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 1:14 pmExcllent, Pillsbury.
I feel perfectly free then, when in my speech to you I say,
blow me.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:14 pmIf corporations can be considered ‘people’ under the law, how about my 1966 Nova?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:14 pmWhat about those pesky libel and slander laws Pillsbury – do you find them unconstitutional??
February 20th, 2009 at 1:15 pmMr. Philby Says:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
Yes, it does. It guarantees it.
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What are you even referring to at this point, you idiot?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:16 pmsuch as “local content,” “diversity of ownership,” and “public interest” rules
and one has to wonder Mr. P… why are these things “the death knell of talk radio and the AM band?”
Aren’t these exactly the same things that R’s are always pushing for in education?
Shouldn’t the market be diverse?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:16 pmThere is no “market place” because the conservative corporate people won’t build one!
Now, now PLC, it isn’t up to the money boys to build one. That they spend huge amounts of money to prevent it, that is actually the story.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:17 pmTROS, if corporations are human beings, do they have to obtain a marriage license when a merger is proposed? Is anyone checking to make sure there aren’t any male corporations merging with male corporations? And does the state require their little corporation offspring to attend school?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:17 pmmr. p,
you like losing, don’t you?
have a peanut.
:)
February 20th, 2009 at 1:18 pmMr. Philby Says:
America. Love her or leave her. It’s not blacklisting.
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Now you’re getting completely silly.
It most definitely is black listing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacklist
A blacklist (or black list) is a list or register of persons who, for one reason or another, are being denied a particular privilege, service, mobility, access or recognition. As a verb, to blacklist can mean to deny someone work in a particular field, or to ostracize them from a certain social circle.
You’re getting totally disingenuous now. Hate losing, huh?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:19 pmtombaker Says:
What about those pesky libel and slander laws?
Seriously, when was the last time you heard of either of these being successfully prosecuted? All they have to say is, I was joking, it was an opinion.
Lawyers and the legal system love repugs. (My apologies to the small percentage who actually understand and appreciate the law).
February 20th, 2009 at 1:21 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
TROS, if corporations are human beings, do they have to obtain a marriage license when a merger is proposed?
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You’re raising good points here, PLC…
As far as I can tell… an awful lot of corporate marriages are between first cousins, to boot. No wonder rest staters approve… keeping it all in the family…
February 20th, 2009 at 1:21 pm“local content,” “diversity of ownership,” and “public interest” rules…the death knell of talk radio and the AM band
Heh.
I dunno about you, Mr. P but my feeling is if Rush can’t stand a little competition from the local farm report, he probably should get out of broadcasting…
Scary ‘local programming‘ OOOHHHHHHH
February 20th, 2009 at 1:23 pmMr. Philby Says:
What part of “I don’t want to advertise to a minuscule audience” do you not understand?
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Hawhawhaw… losing the argument?
What part of “Shit… they’ve treed me and I look like a fool” do you not understand?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:24 pmMr. P…
Kindly state, clearly please, why “local content,” “diversity of ownership,” and “public interest” are bad things and why A.M. radio needs to be protected from them…
Thanks.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:26 pmPillsbury yearns for the day when we all buy the same things at the same store and drive the same cars to the same houses wearing the same clothes listening to the same thing on the same station. We’ll work at the same Corp. for the same boss and elect the same party to do the same thing every time.
Your fear of “other” has gone beyond neurotic, Pillsbury.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:26 pmThe main reason behind the consanguinity laws was to prevent the production of congenital idiots and defectives.
I like the idea of applying the same logic to corporate mergers.
Might also mean fewer Republicans.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:27 pmAnd now we have banded together and will change those laws, will you leave, please?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:28 pmMr. Philby Says:
I hear john edwards isn’t very busy. Give him a call.
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Awww… isn’t that cute? No meaningful reply, so he goes sideways.
Again… you’re just not very good at this, are you?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:28 pmMr. Philby Says:
Hope somebody can bring you some food or water….
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He’s pretty much run up the white flag, boys.
He’s not even trying to support his own arguments anymore, or refute any of the points we made. When he comes down out of that tree, be nice to him. He’s had a rough morning.
Be gracious… and offer him a dry pair of Depends… he needs them… badly.
later, all!
February 20th, 2009 at 1:30 pmmr. p,
i hear larry craig isn’t very busy,
give him a call.
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February 20th, 2009 at 1:30 pmMr. Philby Says:
Hang in there, man!! Remember — you are right and they are filthy demlib fa&&ots. Don’t let ‘the man’ get you down. Rock on! Keep it loose. Keep it real. And, most importantly, stick to your ideology regardless of what evidence is presented to refute you. Your belief in being right is more important than ANY facts. YOU make reality — so what you believe to be real is what is real. Rush is god. Do not eat pennies.
Later, play nice. (I haven’t….)
February 20th, 2009 at 1:31 pmcan’t joe – Larry’s down with a case of the peanuts.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:31 pmMr. Philby Says:
“ACTUALLY if it can be FOUND that these CORPORATIONS are INTENTIONALLY BANDING TOGETHER to PREVENT LIBERAL VIEWS from getting on the AIR it WOULD BE CONSIDERED A CRIMINAL ACT”
Filpots obviously suffers from Alzheimers or illiteracy since he can’t remember the previous posts about the ABC memo.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:32 pmDid the idea of a local ‘farm report’ on AM radio scare Mr. P off?
Is there anything the Conservative is not afraid of?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:32 pmMaking money for no apparent reason comes to mind.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:34 pmDamn, if that’s Mr Pee, he’s seriously lost his touch. They go batshit crazy once the piss sinks into the skin. Somebody put the poor thing down…
February 20th, 2009 at 1:35 pmI used to wish that Rush would cease to exist on the airwaves. Sadly, like putting your hand in a bucket of water and then removing it, it would have no effect on the quantity or quality of the right winger radio personalities that would scramble to take his place.
What I would like is more local control of radios in local markets. National Programs are fine, but local issues sometimes get trumped by things that happen in the Beltway of Washington, D.C.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:36 pmIF YOU HAD READ THE ARTICLE YOU WOULD KNOW THAT:
When the investigations are complete I’m pretty sure that you will wind up on the losers side of this…..bush aint running things anymore.
We agree with your statement and that’s why it will be investigated and corrections will be made….
sucks to be you.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:38 pmgot a picture of mr. p,
wanna see it?
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his eyes are kind of beady, aren’t they?
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anyway as you can see by the story
it’s just no wonder he loves his rush.
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(mr. p, why didn’t you tell us you worked for fox?)
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February 20th, 2009 at 1:38 pm[ are they all gone now? good. we can finally get down to some important liberal-fascist business and take all our clothes off and read verses from Mao's Little Red Book to each other ]
February 20th, 2009 at 1:44 pmRHF – I like that too. I tried to tell JK about how I was going to use his money for tattoos, crack, and manwhores, but he always runs away too fast…
February 20th, 2009 at 1:47 pmBut we’re just using the UN to take their guns away, right?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:48 pmhad to take a break from the idiocy… but i had a thought…
what i want to know from the rushbots, the dittoheads: SOLUTIONS
all i ever hear is b!tchin’ and put-downs and scare tactics, to name a few.
how about SOLUTIONS. let’s hear you solutions.
should be easy, considering it was YOUR policies that have cause the problems this country faces now…
SOLUTIONS.
rushbots got none.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:48 pmare you CRAZY, katy?
if problems were solved, what would those guys have to piss and moan about?
that’s why they love’em some Dubbie – he expanded the inventory of problems by powers of ten.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:51 pmI’ve got the lattes and croissants, tom… did someone remember to bring the goats for the sacrifice to the U.N.?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:52 pmbesides, good solutions always come from smart people who care, and these guys are neither.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pmRush is on the offensive on this because he’s shaking in his boots that the Republicans will lose their ability to “catapult the propaganda” like they have been doing since the mid-80’s. It has taken almost 20 years for the bell curve of what right wing talk radio’s effect has been on the American Public. People are waking up to the fact that they have been “trickled down” upon since Reagan was in office, and now the bill is coming due.
“Elections have consequences” is what Rush used to say. Well, Rush the people are waking up and your anger has turned against the divisive nature of Rush and his ilk’s radio free speech in favor of something that can pull us all together.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pmexcellent, belac, now just let me get lubed up, and we’ll be ready to rock and roll.
February 20th, 2009 at 1:54 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
PatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
TROS, if corporations are human beings, do they have to obtain a marriage license when a merger is proposed?
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You’re raising good points here, PLC…
As far as I can tell… an awful lot of corporate marriages are between first cousins, to boot. No wonder rest staters approve… keeping it all in the family…
Are corporate mergers considered same sex or opposite sex marriages?
February 20th, 2009 at 1:59 pmDammit, I got caught up at work and missed this whole discussion.
Now it’s too late to catch up.
Did Mr. Philby or drive-by ever answer my question?
February 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pmbelac…
free-thinking dittoheads… is oxymoronic, I think.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:02 pmfree-thinking dittoheads… is oxymoronic, I think.
What’d I say?
I guess it could also be argued that its just plain moronic as well…
February 20th, 2009 at 2:05 pmrepublicans hate facts Says
Actually he’s MORE FEARFUL of LOSING HIS RADIO MONOPOLY! If equal time were available his audience would crumble to the few hopeless idiots like Mizz P. from the onslaught of facts that undermines JunkieBaugh’s propaganda lies.
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You mean the one that paid for him by Corporations? The one that he doesn’t make a dime for?
February 20th, 2009 at 2:07 pmI don’t know about the other methods, but what’s wrong with diversity of ownership? Does it strike anybody else as cognitively dissonant that supposed free-marketeers are consistently pro-monopoly? Free markets work when there are lots of competitors. They don’t work when there are few competitors, and/or when the majority of existing competitors collude with one another.
If there’s going to be minimal ownership in any industry, then there must be increased regulation of it. If there’s only one owner in an industry, then it should be the government, in order to protect the public interest. If you want the government and regulation out of an industry (which is ideal), then you have to increase the number of owners competing in it.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:07 pmIt’s never too late Ralph,
but it is always silly to ask whether you got a straight answer from the hystericons.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:09 pmbelac Says:
free-thinking dittoheads… is oxymoronic, I think.
What’d I say?
I guess it could also be argued that its just plain moronic as well…
— sorry, you did say that. I didn’t read the whole darn thing…. my bad.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:10 pmmy bad.
Oh, no worries… I just couldn’t remember, that’s all…
February 20th, 2009 at 2:11 pmRush Limbaugh is an entertainer first and foremost. He is not interested in openly debating issues in a fair way. And he definitely does not have the well-being of this country at heart. Having said that, I think we should take him for what he is, just an entertainer who gets off on being able manipulate his dittoheads. I found a video that deliciously pokes fun at that. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rb82jM9zTmQ
February 20th, 2009 at 2:12 pmFYI, Mr. Philby = Mr. Sucks. Also known as olbysucker, Jeffy, or Bovine-the-hate-filled-clown. He’s a Keith Olbermann stalker (seriously, the dude’s obsessed) who’s proven himself to be one of the dumbest and most hypocritical trolls around. During the election, he was calling for Obama to be waterboarded and/or drowned. He’s got the morality of a Jim Adkisson.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:20 pmProud Says:
One question, Proud.
Kindly state, clearly please, why “local content,” “diversity of ownership,” and “public interest” are bad things and why A.M. radio needs to be protected from them…
Thanks.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:29 pmMr. Philby Says:
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free speech
and
free hateful vitriol
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Agreed. Which is why nobody listens to liberal radio………
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
My GOD you are unbelievably stupid. YOUR side has Rush, the Weinerdog Savage and Ann Ganglskank Coulter and you have the ignorant lack of irony to accuse the left of hateful vitriol. I dont know which is worse your ignorance or lack of self awareness.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:36 pmProud Says:
Two words: Air America.
I’ll see you two words and raise you one: Learn to read.
Liberal radio wii always be a complete failure.
The wii is fun! Also, the Earth will always be the center of the solar system.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:36 pm” Okay, drive-by troll, perhaps you can step in for Mr. Philby and answer this question — do you attribute the ratings success of conservative content in certain media to a triumph of ideas in the marketplace?”
Please….the only reason they have ratings period is because the 6 companies that own the entire market make sure there is no compatition when there “talking heads” are on.
If Clearchannel owns five stations in one city, do you think there going to compete against themselves when they just payed millions (Rush Contract)for the fat talking head Rush??? NO!!!
Now if that same city had 5 different owners of radio stations fighting for the same market…what would be the ratings???? And how much better would the programing be????? Would they put on the same programing or would they give a choice??? Answer that qustion Drive By Troll.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:37 pmProud Says: Two words: Air America.
Yet even without Air America…two words: Al Franken
February 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pmProud Says:
You are stupid proud. The BUSINESS advertisers are biased AGAINST a liberal message in no way means there is no market for liberal talk. There may or may not be but in markets where they run the often do quite well against con radio. You are a moron. You just repeat what you were told to think.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:44 pmProud Says:
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Two words: Air America. Liberal radio wii always be a complete failure.
You think so….or are they a failure becuase the owners make them fail so they can promote there vision (conservative)of where the Corporations control the adgenda????
When the economic crisis threatens the viability of this nation, and we get Bloggo , Sexual affairs!!! How about doing a piece on how we are the only nation that allows it’s banking system to be owned by individuals for example…The Federal Reserve????? Why would we charge ourselves interest???? And put ourselves further into debt?????
Why don’t you take on subjects that have a real meaning in our lives?????? Oh I forgot, the Corporations think it’s important to know what Britney Sprears is up to!!
WHAT A JOKE!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 2:46 pmHow does a reasonable question mislead?
My instincts tell me that liberals are not as interested in spewing hate as right-wing wingnuts (present company excepted, Tweedster.) Hate-spewing and ignorance-sowing is the calling card of right-wing talk radio. Their audience thrives on that emo-drivel.
I don’t know what the calling card of left-wing talk radio would be. Rationale, feel-good banter with forward-looking solution-centered leanings? That’ll hook ‘em. I know I wouldn’t listen if it were just a mirror image of what exists on the right. Maybe Tweedle-Dee would.
In any event, the question was an honest one. Stupidly, misleadingly, idioticly honest.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:46 pmI think its a mistake to say advertising dollars = politically relevant.
The democrats, without talk radio pulled off a major defeat, even with all the FOX tabloid talking heads, with Rush, with Malkin, with Pajamas media [Joe Plumber], with Coulters books, with Hannity….they made advertising bucks which DID NOT equal a polititical win.
Listen to the talking heads, It doesnt matter to me.
BTW I dont watch Teevee either.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:47 pmI’m starting to suspect that Rush and his ditto-heads are not interested in a debate on this invented issue of the fairness doctrine, let alone answering any straightforward questions… It’s like they have no answers or arguments that can hold up to any scrutiny at all, sad.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pmI don’t know what the calling card of left-wing talk radio would be.
The left is a loose knit group that dont feel a need to be part of a single minded flock, to repeat two or three word talking points, to allow Luntzian type ‘framing’ to cloud their minds.
I dont listen to the radio for the talk, especially AM, but for the music [FM]
I can form my own opinions and dont need a crowing cranium [hypocrite] trying to tell me what I should think.
February 20th, 2009 at 2:56 pmRush has got to be doing something right to have the president, every liberal blog on the net going nuts over his talk show and his politics.
Well, Im not going ‘nuts’ over what Rush says. Its the same shock jock crap that Howard Stern deals in except in this case its political and that doesnt mean its ‘good’ It creates revenue for Rush..and again he didnt produce any political wins in 2006 or 2008 and by that standard he is obviously, then, doing something wrong as a water carrier.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pmmarquitin Says:
marquitin Says:
Has it been shown that there is an advertising market for liberal talk radio?
How does a reasonable question mislead?
In any event, the question was an honest one. Stupidly, misleadingly, idioticly honest.
Given the information already available about station ownership, the division of content being overwhelmingly skewed to the right, and some common sense, your question is stupid and misleading.
As I pointed out, if stations are programming 91% conservative viewpoints, how can you even establish data to bolster or refute the notion of their being a viable advertising market?
You really believe that 91% of radio listeners are conservatives?
Recall that no so long ago children in Catholic schools were forcibly taught to write with their right hand. The percentage of “right-handers” would have gone up as a result of this coercion. That doesn’t mean that their natural hand was actually the stronger of the two.
Your question is based in faulty logic, and is therefore misleading. And stupid. And honestly specious.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:05 pmyes, tombaker, i AM crazy… but it keeps me from goin’ insane…
i would like to know what they consider solutions, given the state we’re in.
while also considering the benefit to ALL the people… not just the sinfully wealthy…
i’d actually be happy if the LIARS would just quit LYING.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:06 pmmarquitin Says:
A bunch of high and mighty moralistic chiding after having his flawed premise and question got called to the fore.
Please spare me your smug BS.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:07 pmkaty Says:
yes, tombaker, i AM crazy… but it keeps me from goin’ insane…
i would like to know what they consider solutions, given the state we’re in.
while also considering the benefit to ALL the people… not just the sinfully wealthy…
i’d actually be happy if the LIARS would just quit LYING.
Hear hear. Anytime anyone poses a question to these trolls about what they said, they switch topics, or deflect, or whatever. Never can they answer a question straight up, at least I haven’t seen it.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pm301. That doesn’t mean that their natural hand was not actually the stronger of the two.
i like double negatives sometimes, but they don’t not get me confused.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:10 pmabout advertising, ed schultz does “recession busting friday”…
people call in and get to give a short description and website for their small business… really great -
shayne you should call in
- and i always write down the ones that i’m most interested in, of course, but it’s always MOST of the businesses that call in…
i could make a list later if anyone’s interested… also see wegoted.com …
right now i’m off to meet zooey for the biannual abortion…
see yas.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pmEver notice how the Rush posts bring out all the wingnuts? They must really love the guy.
Proud Says:
Two words: Air America. Liberal radio wii always be a complete failure.
Air America is doing just fine.
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watchdog Says:
TP does not participate in partisan politics and neither do you??
We’re not complaining about partisanship.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:42 pmIt’s just Rush’s fear speaking. The more alternatives there are to his voice, the greater the risk of his listeners finding someone else they’d rather listen to (not necessarily someone better, more reasonable, more intelligent, etc., just someone else) — Rush earns his daily bread by delivering ears to the people who sign his checks — fewer ears equal fewer dollars. It’s in Rush’s best interest to make sure the number of alternatives to his brand of FUD is limited to the current small group of FUDmeisters.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:42 pm“diversity of ownership,”
This is what Rush and the conservatives are really worried about. We need to take the media ownership rules back to what they were before Bill Clinton (to his ever loving shame) signed the bill that has allowed three or four conservative corporations to own 90% of our media outlets. Until we break up these monopolies, we will not have a free press in this country. The only way we can solve this problem by ourselves is for everyone to stop watching the talking head shows on the TV, stop reading newspapers, stop listening to conservative talk shows and get your news/opinion from the Internet. It is the one media outlet the conservatives can’t control and it drives them batty.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:46 pmwatchdog Says:
You certainly are a moron. By THAT logic the UNIBOMBER must have been doing something right to have every law enforcement agency in America looking for him. You get attention for doing BAD things as well as doing things right. You do know you are an idiot dont you?
February 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pmare both of rush’s dildoheads here defending him? sweeeetttt!
February 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pmwatchdog Says: 306
No the only thing shown is just how stupid you are. The liberals here argue amongst ourselves all the time you dont see us parroting left wing talking points the way you braindead brainwashed morons do. The very fact they CALL THEMSELVES DITTOHEADS says everything that needs be said. They are PROUD of being brainwashed zombies. That you can even TRY to make such an inane argument shows how incredibly stupid and moronic you are
February 20th, 2009 at 3:52 pmProud Says:
Two words: Air America. Liberal radio wii always be a complete failure.
If Air America was allowed into the same number of markets as is conservative talk radio, they would be wiping the conservative talk radio all over the pavement. Considering how few markets Air America has been allowed into (something like 10%), it is amazing they have survived as long a they have. In markets where Air America takes on Rush and his other conservative talking heads, head to head, Air America often wins the audience.
Until such time as there is a level playing field between conservative and liberal talk radio, there is no way to judge which is doing the best with their audiences.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:52 pmwatchdog Says:
You are participating in the same kind of partisanship politics that rush is. The fact that people on this site think of their self as something different than show like Rush‘s, really shows the kind of closed minded ignorant people that exist here.
You are certainly welcome to your fantasies if they help you feel better. But there is no comparison between this blog and Rush Limpball’s Dittohead fest. The people here don’t tell lies, they expose lies. Rush, on the other hand, couldn’t have a show without telling lies.
I’m also fairly sure not many people here are addicted to Oxycontin and send their housekeepers out to buy some. And I’m fairly sure no one here gets a bucket full of Viagra and goes to the Dominican Republic to have sex with children.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:57 pmTalk radio is like a circus mirror that makes right-wing haters look like the majority.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:02 pmEugeneDebs Says:
The liberals here argue amongst ourselves all the time…
No we don’t, you lying bastard!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:09 pmWow. Tweedster. You’re a piece of work. Did your mom forget the part of raising you that included imparting a sense of manners and civility?
On Topic: I don’t think most liberals are in the market for AM talk radio stations of any persuasion. I know I’m not. There is an AM culture that has always been brash, in-your-face, and advertising laden. Fast paced and jingle-driven. (Jingoistic?)
This is antithetical to how most liberal/progressive people think or want to engage in a discussion of political philosophy (again, certain present company excepted).
Therefore my question is still a quite valid one that insults don’t diminish: Assuming no meddling on the part of ownership (which is another question altogether), would there be a self-sustaining market in the AM talk-radio world for liberal talk radio? My feeling is that the market would be quite limited, but not for conspiratorial reasons. Reasoned arguments to the contrary would be interesting to read.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:23 pmThis Fairness Doctrine crap is, well…..just that, crap. As far as I know, you can still buy a radio station, hire a host and give them a microphone. If they have anything interesting to say, the listeners will come.
If you don’t want to listen to Rush, Hannity, etc., change the station! You still have that freedom, the last time I checked.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:25 pmerobbins Says:
Well E you are a moron. No you CANT just buy a radio station and give someone a microphone you have to get a GOVERNMENT LICENCE. The airwaves are restricted. Just set up your own pirate radio station and see how fast YOU are looking through bars. Look you idiot. The airwaves BELONG TO US. The deal we made was that the corporations that make obscene buttloads of money off of OUR resource are supposed to perform a public service. If they dont LIKE that they can open a Taco Bell if YOU dont like it BITE ME. Why dont I put up a liberal billboard in YOUR front yard and if YOU dont like it you can look the other way. You do understand you are extremely stupid dont you?
February 20th, 2009 at 4:32 pmWow Eugene, I’m impressed with your vocabulary. So, did Air America (Al Gore) have to get that license? Ooops, another stupid comment from Erik. I better cut that out, sorry. I’m sure he did. I wonder then, why Air America (AA) has failed so miserably then? Maybe it’s that they just spew a bunch of crap!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pmMaybe you can tell me erobbin… why are “local content,” “diversity of ownership,” and “public interest” bad things and why does A.M. radio need to be protected from them?
Thanks.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pmIf you can’t beat ‘em, regulate ‘em. Huh, nice policy Belac. Diversity of ownership sounds like some kind of affirmative action plan to me. Public interest is reflected in how many liberal radio stations there are out there that are flourishing. Is everyone here trying to say that a liberal doesn’t have the same opportunity to create a succesful radio show as the conservative down the street? I hope not. Listen, now that Obama is in the house, no liberal should have any excuses as to why they don’t have their own succesful show.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pmerobbins Says:
Wow E I am impressed with your stupidity. Maybe since liberals arent enamored of letting morons like Rush do our thinking for us talk radio isnt for us. Maybe its the fact that CORPORATIONS do the lions share of advertising and PREFER not to have a liberal message heard. Maybe any of the other MANY reasons ALREADY DISCUSSED IN THIS THREAD YOU IDIOT. You question was too stupid to be addressed. Are you trying to claim you DONT need a licence to broadcast on the public airwaves THAT BELONG TO US? Rent a couple of braincells practice the art of coherence and get back to us when you are marginally informed on the issue and have some dim idea what you are talking about.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pmThis is simple there is NO FREE SPEECH ISSUE involved with the fairness doctrine. That is without dispute. The Supreme Court has already ruled ON THAT VERY ISSUE. IF you are fine with the idea we OUGHT to be a business run society and NO message that corporations dont want out there are silenced fine. Be a corporate slave. I dont really care but we have every RIGHT to demand a public service obligation for media corporations who make THEIR money off of OUR resource. The FD wouldnt require more liberal talkshows only that when public issues are discussed the other side is allowed to give their opinions and if a person is attacked they have a right to respond.
February 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pmListen, now that Obama is in the house, no liberal should have any excuses as to why they don’t have their own succesful show.
So are you arguing that no conservatives have the opportunity to make Hollywood blockbusters and become reporters then?
I guess you better STFU about liberal bias in those two institutions… I mean, you guys have the same opportunity to succeed in those marketplaces, right? No one’s stopping you…
February 20th, 2009 at 4:59 pmI see the dead-enders have appeared, to attempt to punctuate the thread with their oh-so fresh trollblossoms.
It doesn’t work fellas.
Feel free to rage amongst yourselves.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:01 pmI’m not trying to say that you don’t need a license to broadcast…..at all. Stand back from the keyboard and take a deep breath Eugene.
Another quick point I’d like to make is that I don’t stand beside everything I hear on the conservative talk shows on the air today. I do, believe it or not, have my own mind and I think that saying for every conservative show, there needs to be an equal liberal show or that for every program, the host needs to cover right as much as left or black as much as white is a complete load of crap.
As far as the corporations and the advertising goes, if your message is so important that you think it ought to be heard, do some pro bono work and give up the paycheck for a bit. Like I said earlier, if the content is there, the advertisers will follow. I wonder why the corporations don’t want to be associated with the liberal POV? Is there something wrong with it? I personally like hearing both sides and then I’d like to be left alone to make up my own mind on the issues. I think it’s a great idea that liberals have their own opp. to voice their opinions I just don’t think it needs to be regulated.
By the way, the airwaves belong to us as much as the newly nationalized banks do. Wake up Eugene, everything is being taken away and it’s not just Obama. It’s Bush, Clinton, Pelosi, Reid, etc.
Any way, thanks for the positive words. I’m off to grow some brain cells….. :)
February 20th, 2009 at 5:05 pmmarquitin Says:
On Topic: I don’t think most liberals are in the market for AM talk radio stations of any persuasion. I know I’m not. There is an AM culture that has always been brash, in-your-face, and advertising laden. Fast paced and jingle-driven. (Jingoistic?)
That’s a good point. Content aside, the whole style of AM talk radio annoys me slightly. The whole throwing lots of opinions out, having callers spout off for short segments, switching between frequent commercials, etc.
Although Air America is doing well in the markets it has access to, I only listened to it for a short while when it came into my area. I thought it was a great idea, but even though I agreed generally with most of the opinions I heard, it just didn’t manage to keep my interest. I prefer public radio, which tends to take more time, and explore more interesting subjects more deeply. I bet a lot of libs would say the same.
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erobbins Says:
This Fairness Doctrine crap is, well…..just that, crap. As far as I know, you can still buy a radio station, hire a host and give them a microphone. If they have anything interesting to say, the listeners will come.
I don’t espouse any kind of “fairness doctrine.” However, I do espouse a vigorous, competitive market which is free of monopolistic practices and collusion.
Not if I’m not a deep-pocketed corporate conglomerate who can afford to take a loss for years until I build a local market. And not if aforementioned corporations own all of the other stations in the area.
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erobbins Says:
If you can’t beat ‘em, regulate ‘em. Huh, nice policy Belac. Diversity of ownership sounds like some kind of affirmative action plan to me.
You’re defending monopolies? Then you don’t believe in free markets. That’s all there is to it. Me, I believe in a competitive marketplace in each industry. You can call that “affirmative action” if you want. We used to call it “trust-busting.”
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erobbins Says:
Public interest is reflected in how many liberal radio stations there are out there that are flourishing.
No, that’s an aggegrate of private demand. That’s a totally different thing from the public interest.
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erobbins Says:
Is everyone here trying to say that a liberal doesn’t have the same opportunity to create a succesful radio show as the conservative down the street? I hope not.
Yes, that’s exactly what we’re saying. The FCC has deregulated the radio industry such that a handful of monopolies now control most of the markets.
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erobbins Says:
Listen, now that Obama is in the house, no liberal should have any excuses as to why they don’t have their own succesful show.
So you’re saying you wouldn’t oppose him taking action to level the playing field? Good.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:09 pmWhat ignorance, true librial whiny baby reaction to what they have not a clue about.
I assume that you will stop whining about ‘liberal bias’ in media and film now too, watchdog…
February 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pmerobbins Says:
My GOD you are ignorant. YES you said ANYONE can buy a radio station and start broadcasting then asked me IF Air America got a licence if your point wasnt that you dont NEED a licence you had no point at ALL. YOU are a moron. And NO the airwaves ABSOLUTLY belong to us PERIOD. They are a public resource you astonishingly stupid cretin. That is NOT in dispute. We didnt NATIONALIZE the banks we loaned them money with strings attached. Yeah go away. Learn something. When you become marginally informed on what you are talking about get back to us.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pmWhat is it with you guys? So defensive and full of profanity. You remind me of those anti-prop 8 folks that were out screaming death threats and engaging in theft and vandalism. Don’t read into that comment either, I’m anti prop 8 too – just not into theft and violence that much.
Any way, I’m in southern Cal. and out here the LA Times is failing and the OC Register is flourishing. LAT is left leaning and the Reg is liberal/center/right.
Oh and what about the cable news? 9 out of the top 10 are center/right programs. (I hate all these labels, just trying to explain my pov in 2 syllables or less). Yeah Hollywood is 99% left but hey, they may be the exception to the rule. Should we say that for every liberal actor in a movie there needs to be a conservative actor? I think not. I guess if you want to make it in Hollywood you keep your mouth shut, nod and smile.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pmwatchdog Says:
You are ignorant beyond compare. So stupid it hurts to read your posts. My braincells just keep threatening to commit mass suicide from the inanity you post. EVERYTHING I said was true. EVERYTHING. You cannot dispute a bit of it. I mean even IF you had a normal IQ which of course you DONT. You are too stupid to make a cogent argument ANYTIME but even IF you had a functional cerebral cortex EVERYTHING in my post is without any possible contradiction. YOu are a moron. You need to learn to live with the fact you will NEVER be anything BUT a moron. A sniveling, ignorant punk.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:16 pmerobbins Says:
We arent defensive just tire of the ignorant talking points morons like YOU cant live without. I grew UP in Southern California and if the LA Times is so left leaning why didn they FIRE their only real liberal columnist Sheer? I used to call it Pravda West you brainwashed idiots just think anyone NOT conforming slavishly to Limbaughlike rightwing propaganda is left leaning its STUPID but its how you have been programmed and NO I dont believe you can think for yourself as you spout these idiotic talking points that no rational human being could extrapolate from the FACTS or REALITY. Since the NETWORKs still dwarf ALL cable shows your silly little ratings queen dance really doesnt mean anything. I also notice that American Idol outdraws Shakespear. Does that mean its better? You are ignorant. Its that simple. Repeating what you were TOLD to believe isnt going to show any different
February 20th, 2009 at 5:21 pmSo if HOLLYWOOD is liberal its because they have to conform and if hateradio is conservative its because the people want it? You do realize you are a moron dont you?
February 20th, 2009 at 5:23 pmEugene, your wife/boyfriend must love having a conversation with you. You’re quite entertaining. I think you just blew a blood vessel on that last comment.
(I’m beginning to enjoy pushing his buttons folks. Stay Tuned……)
February 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pmerobbins Says:
Yes my wife and I have great loving conversations. She is so liberal she makes me look like a moderate. You are FAR too stupid to push any buttons at all. YOU are too stupid to FIND any buttons, and I just amuse myself here. I have no emotional investment here. What is it with you really stupid people that you think you can read the minds of posters?
February 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pmLast thing I’m going to say on this subject.
You don’t have to listen to it if you don’t like it. Who are you trying to protect? The poor, pathetic fools that don’t have enough sense to not believe everything they hear. If so, let me save you some time. They aren’t worth the effort.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pmI think Eugene’s favorite word is “stupid”…….
February 20th, 2009 at 5:32 pmerobbins Says:
Since we OWN the airwaves we can do much more than that. Since they effect the public discourse we have a right to decide if we ought to. I guess I could put up a liberal billboard in YOUR front yard and if YOU dont like it you can just look the other way.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:33 pmI’m beginning to enjoy pushing his buttons folks.
Can you answer this question…
If opportunities to succeed are equal in the marketplace, why do people like Rush argue that the mainstream media is ‘biased’ and the A.M. dial is a triumph of the consumer marketplace?
The fact that so-called ‘liberal bias’ (we’ll leave the discussion of the accuracy of this description for later) is pervasive in News and Films is evidence of tampering by Liberals but the demonstrable ‘right wing agenda’ of talk radio is an expression of the market’s wishes?
Please explain erobbins…
February 20th, 2009 at 5:34 pmerobbins Says:
No moron. MY favorite word is atavistic. I just cant think of a word more descriptive of your posts when they are so inane they have my braincells begging for the sweet release of a coma
February 20th, 2009 at 5:34 pmSo, did Air America (Al Gore) …
wow – that’s a new one! ha!
who told you that? …
and you believed it? … ah hahahaha!
February 20th, 2009 at 5:38 pmSorry guys, I’ll catch you on the next exciting post. Have a great day!
February 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pmKaty isnt it amazing that people THAT brainwashed REALLY believe they think for themselves. Pavlov never programmed his dogs half as effectively
February 20th, 2009 at 5:39 pmerobbins Says:
Do yourself a favor. Educate yourself try to learn at least ONE thing not on AM Hateradio
February 20th, 2009 at 5:41 pmbelac Says:
Sorry belac. Rush isnt on till tomorrow so you will probably have to wait for your answer until Rush gives it to him.
February 20th, 2009 at 5:42 pmerobbins Says:
You won’t answer?
What a suprise… catch you on the next post…
February 20th, 2009 at 5:42 pmeugene – amazing, yes…
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another thing i thought of, what i DO miss from my left radio habit is al franken’s show and his diverse and enlightening guests… always learned so much from his show… and plenty of laughs to go with it…
ed has on good guests and takes on the best of progressive topics, especially labor, with passion and sincerity… i am finally getting used to his voice… but he has a mixed audience also – a lot of conservative fans, which i also appreciate…
stephanie miller is new to me, really like her show because it’s so funny… a good way to start the day, laughing…
randi’s show is in limbo… haven’t even heard what happened… i’ll listen when she’s back – if she’s on XM…
oh – sam seder – i REALLY miss his show… he’s hoping to get the 10pm slot on msnbc – VOTE FOR SAM SEDER HERE!
i just heard cenk uygur on 1600 denying that the NYPOST cartoon was racist… VOTE FOR SAM.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:30 pmerobbins Says:
What is it with you guys? So defensive and full of profanity. You remind me of those anti-prop 8 folks that were out screaming death threats and engaging in theft and vandalism. Don’t read into that comment either, I’m anti prop 8 too – just not into theft and violence that much.
Yeah, me neither. I’ve shown neither any defensiveness nor profanity. However, many here do. But there is a distinction that you’re failing to make here.
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erobbins Says:
Any way, I’m in southern Cal. and out here the LA Times is failing and the OC Register is flourishing. LAT is left leaning and the Reg is liberal/center/right.
A comparison of two newspapers you’ve selected proves what? I’m pretty sure the LA Times is starting with a vastly larger circulation base than the OC Register. So it’s kind of apples and oranges anyways.
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erobbins Says:
Oh and what about the cable news? 9 out of the top 10 are center/right programs.
If you ain’t using journalistic best practices to reduce your bias, what you’re doing ain’t “news.” I’d argue the contrary to your 9/10 claim, but there are many here to the left of me who would totally agree with you.
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erobbins Says:
Yeah Hollywood is 99% left but hey, they may be the exception to the rule. Should we say that for every liberal actor in a movie there needs to be a conservative actor? I think not. I guess if you want to make it in Hollywood you keep your mouth shut, nod and smile.
There are a number of Hollywood producers and actors who are openly right wing, and they do just fine. There aren’t a lot of them, though.
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katy Says:
wow – that’s a new one! ha!
I just sort of skimmed over that because I didn’t understand it. I still don’t.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:31 pmkaty Says:
I dont listen to any radio except music. I AM a longterm Nation subscriber though.
February 20th, 2009 at 6:45 pmeugene – evidently the trooll thinks al gore owns or is or runs AirAmericaRadio…
that’s what i’m guessing it means… funny.
btw – it’s a lie, a fallacy… and a new rumor…
it used to be soros!
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see, i gave up the nation because i was hearing so much of it on the talk left… and i make sure to get a good dose of music also… maybe not enough at times, but i must have it…
February 20th, 2009 at 7:24 pmanother thing i love about the XM – selection!
oh! that AAR info was for ElBruce…
February 20th, 2009 at 7:26 pmI have the maaad Wikipedia powers:
Look, now I know who owns Air America! That was easy. I wonder why wingnuts can’t do it.
February 20th, 2009 at 7:34 pmYou people are funny and huge hypocrites.
I listen to both sides. It’s more fun. The radio station that has Rush and Medved and Air America as well. In Seattle, left leaning views are everywhere and they are failing. The P.I. is very leftist and may not survive another year.
On Medved’s program for instance I hear from people who disagree with him and that challenge his conservative positions.
Rush is not going to have too many left leaning guests no doubt there. But so what.
What are you afraid of. If your ideas are so good the people will want to hear it.
On Air America I hear children. Never is a conservative guest or caller allowed on any of their programs. People on AA all agree that America is evil and Bush created evil. Malloy is particularly slanderous.
The reason you NEED the fairness doctrine is because you progressives cannot compete. Your ideas are relics of group think failure packaged in a diversity sprinkled wrapping. Looks pretty, empty box. Easy to fool desperate people or young people who may not be well versed in history, but when challenged by sound prinicipals you fail every time.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:04 pmThe reason you NEED the fairness doctrine is because you progressives cannot compete.
Who is suggesting a reinstatement of the fairness doctrine?
It’s not the left… could it be that Rush needs the fake fairness doctrine fight because he needs to distract all his listeners from the failure of the conservative policies he’s been advocating since the late ’80s?
Easy to fool desperate people or young people who may not be well versed in history, but when challenged by sound prinicipals you fail every time.
So challenge me… if as you say, the marketplace is open and free and that’s why right wing talk radio is succeeding…
February 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pmwhy does Rush complain about liberal bias in the mainstream media and Hollywood… shouldn’t the market correct that?
watchdog Says:
LibertyLover Says:
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Are you aware of what type of site this is?
You are participating in the same kind of partisanship politics that rush is. The fact that people on this site think of their self as something different than show like Rush‘s, really shows the kind of closed minded ignorant people that exist here.
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Frankly, yes, I do know what kind of a site this is. And it is not the only one that I visit, either. And I’ve had my fill of Rush. I started listening to him before he went national, and he hasn’t changed much since then.
If a person of an opposite viewpoint that would come here and like to have a rational discussion without name-calling AND an open mind. I’m all for it. What have you got. Let’s discuss.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:31 pmmy gawd! that’s a long azz letter… i’m looking for one sentence…
keith just pointed out something great… i didn’t read the whole “letter”, so missed it, the last gasp:
We in talk radio await your answer. What will it be? Government-imposed censorship disguised as “fairness” and “balance”? Or will the arena of ideas remain a free market?
fairness and balance… where does that come from…?
February 20th, 2009 at 9:02 pmjdoginhouse Says:
The reason you NEED the fairness doctrine is because you progressives cannot compete. Your ideas are relics of group think failure packaged in a diversity sprinkled wrapping. Looks pretty, empty box. Easy to fool desperate people or young people who may not be well versed in history, but when challenged by sound prinicipals you fail every time.
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Gee… THAT’S a meaningful, fact-filled statement of position on your part.
Insults, cliches, hyperbole… is that all you’ve got?
‘Cause it ain’t much…
February 20th, 2009 at 9:12 pmit’s so obvious when posters lie and say they listen to AAR, or “both sides”… it’s so obvious that they don’t.
and, i still say, they are plagiarizing our best lines:
The reason you NEED the [choose a boogeyman] is because you [right wingers] cannot compete. Your ideas are relics of group think failure packaged in a diversity sprinkled wrapping. Looks pretty, empty box. Easy to fool desperate people or young people who may not be well versed in history, but when challenged by sound prinicipals you fail every time.
well, except for the cohesion… or lack of…
February 20th, 2009 at 9:34 pmuh oh… tros, i think we just cancelled each other out…
or something!
ha!
February 20th, 2009 at 9:37 pmkaty Says:
The reason you [... blah blah blah... blah blah blah... ] when challenged by sound prinicipals you fail every time.
well, except for the cohesion… or lack of…
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Basically that one said NOTHING meaningful.
A political Hostess Twinkie… tastes kinda good in the eoment, but completely devoid of any real nutrition…
February 20th, 2009 at 9:39 pmi dunno, tros… i’m sticking to my impression…
he just took a bunch of the points and threw them all together, but the same points we progs use to describe the blind pugs…
it just doesn’t work against us, because it’s not true about us…
seems to me, at least…
they’re stealing our material!
February 20th, 2009 at 10:48 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
They get to make two unsubstantiated, illogical, irrelevant, or bash-only comments in any thread. After the third, I would talk about but not to them. For the attention-seekers especially this seems useful.
Good guideline–thanks. They do get a HUGE splattering of attention when we engage in troll-tromping, and I loathe the thought of catering to their need for attention. Gonna take a page from your book and limit m’self to 3 direct comments per troll. Cannot QUITE make m’self ignore them entirely, which would probably be the best course overall: p’raps if we don’t feed them, they’ll go away?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:57 pmkaty Says:
i dunno, tros… i’m sticking to my impression…
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He didn’t say anything, katy.
Yeah… some of the lines are similar, but you need to back them up w/ some sort of specifics, or it’s just name calling, insults, and meaningless generalizations.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:57 pmMaybe that “ongoing” MBA stands for “My Bad Attitude”? “Mama’s Boy Always”? “Man Bites Anus”?
February 21st, 2009 at 12:05 amexactly, tros… i get it.
and telestai2, no they won’t go away… but not feeding them seems to shorten the stay…
good maher tonight…
maxine waters says the bankers won’t learn their lesson till some of them go to jail! w00t!
g’nite. that’s all for this thread, for me…
February 21st, 2009 at 12:06 amkaty Says:
right now i’m off to meet zooey for the biannual abortion…
see yas.
February 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
**snort**
February 21st, 2009 at 12:17 am” because you progressives cannot compete. Your ideas are relics of group think failure”
…and another one who missed the election – where these guys was? a CPAC retreat??
freeky.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:23 amjdoginhouse Says:
In Seattle, left leaning views are everywhere and they are failing. The P.I. is very leftist and may not survive another year.
Second instance of claiming 1) that the major daily for the area is leftist, and 2) that the major daily for the area is failing.
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jdoginhouse Says:
On Medved’s program for instance I hear from people who disagree with him and that challenge his conservative positions.
You get your liberal views from liberals who call in to right-wing radio shows. Got it.
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jdoginhouse Says:
on AA all agree that America is evil and Bush created evil.
I’m sure they podcast everything. Got a link? If they “all agree” on that, then that should be easy to find.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:34 amSince so many ‘progressives’ whine and complain about the Fatcat CEO’s and those evil corporations that rake in money on the backs of the average American, I’m surprised at their position on this issue. Do they really think that these ‘greedy’ bastards who own these stations would suppress one side of the arena if they thought they could make money from it? Do they really believe, as the incredibly popular Air America shows, that liberal talk shows would be just as popular if they were only given air-time? If people wanted to listen to them, they would be on the air. These station managers and CEO’s are all about ratings, which translate into advertising revenue, which translate into $$$ in their pockets. Why would they walk away from all those big profits that a liberal talk show platform would generate?
I realize that is a rhetorical question…..they wouldn’t. Rush and others are on the air because people want to listen. No other reason. If people wanted to hear the libs everyday, they would be on the air as well.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:00 pmRush and others are on the air because people want to listen. No other reason. If people wanted to hear the libs everyday, they would be on the air as well.
So I assume that if people didn’t want the so-called ‘liberal bias’ in the mainstream media and movies it wouldn’t exist?
I realize this is a rhetorical question ’cause none of you Rush supporters has yet had an answer…
February 21st, 2009 at 3:17 pmI see alot of liberal bias in the mainstream print media, not so much on tv. It seems to me that many of the big cable news players have been going out of their way to include some right wing content in much of their programming. That could be a way to try to lure viewers back from Fox.
I’ve also wondered whether it’s the media format. More conservatives are likely to listen to AM radio. Libs are more likely to read the newspaper and watch TV. But I have no basis for that….it’s just something I’ve wondered about.
BTW, I’m not a big Rush fan (the band, yes, the talk show host, no). I listen to him from time to time but with Sirius out there, I prefer the music over talk. I’d consider myself more of a Boortz fan, if I had to choose one host to listen to.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:32 pmBut if we are to take your argument,(If people wanted to hear the libs everyday, they would be on the air as well.)as a given… we can argue about whether the role of the media is to provide people with what they ‘want’ or whether it has a different role altogether later… then doesn’t it follow that if people wanted to read Cons in the Newspaper everyday that there would be more ‘conservative’ reporters?
and so wouldn’t the argument of ‘bias’ really come down to one of ‘market research?’
February 21st, 2009 at 4:00 pmThat was partly why I wonder if conservatives are more likely to listen to the radio than read the paper or watch the news. Maybe conservatives migrated to talk radio because they didn’t like the slant of the other outlets (real or perceived). It is a tough question to answer. But I still go back to the fact that if a CEO of a large company thought they could get more listeners (and more money) by replacing Rush with Franken, they wouldn’t hesitate. And why do you think Fox News became so popular?
I also think we have to watch what we call Media? If you mean media as news reporting then there should be no bias. But is Limbaugh or Franken considered news reporting? Is it editorial? I’m not sure.
February 21st, 2009 at 4:51 pmThere’s liberal bias in the print media? I covered op-eds from the nation’s major newspapers for a year and a half. Not only were at least half of those penned by conservatives and written with a conservative slant, there was microscopic focus on the foibles of the Democratic candidates. Rush and other pundits today decry the “lack of coverage” the media gave to such controversies as Rev. Wright, but the fact is those issues were beaten to death in the primaries. I got sick of reading about them and writing about them.
And no matter what anyone believes about what should be on the airwaves, the fact is the airwaves belong to the public, and what’s transmitted over them should serve the public above all other concerns. How to interpret that is up for debate, but as long as people continue to believe that business entities “own” the airwaves, there is no starting point for debate.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:23 pmjdoginhouse Says:
Well you arent very funny but you ARE very stupid. The little I listned to Air American I did hear conservatives so you are a liar and a fool too. Since the Fairness doctrine would only demand both sides of a public issue be heard you dont make sense. Then again you are far too stupid to make sense. Regurgitating the lies Rush has programed you with is all your substandard brain is capable of. YOU guys FEAR the FD because propaganda and lies are so much more effective when the other side and the truth are NOT heard. My GOD you are ignorant beyond belief
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:46 amDolfantim Says:
Let me make it as simple as I can for you since you apparantly missed it the first dozen or so times it was pointed out. ADVERTISING not same as listeners. Advertising business oriented. Advertising not supportive of liberal message no matter listeners you MORON. Notice that Phil Donahue was taken off the air with the HIGHEST RATINGS ON HIS NETWORK YOU NITWIT. I dont think I can dumb it down any further. Find someone with a normal IQ and an ability to translate to your subhuman moron level.
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