Taguba backs commission to investigate Bush-era abuses.
Taguba backs commission to investigate Bush-era abuses.
Last summer, former Abu Ghraib investigator ret. Army Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba said that the Bush administration had “committed war crimes” and needed to be “held to account.” Yesterday, 18 human rights organizations, former State Department officials, and former law enforcement and military leaders — including Taguba — signed onto a letter asking the President to create a non-partisan commission to investigate the Bush administration’s torture policies. In a new interview with Salon, he explains why:
I feel we have to come to terms with policies that have gained such notoriety and have been debated about whether they were in the best interest of our national security, and whether those who created these policies were pressured by their senior leadership. [...]
[I support] a structured commission with some form of authority with clear objectives and a follow-on action plan. I’m not looking for anything that is prosecutorial in nature, unless a suspected violation of relevant laws occurred, which should be referred to the Dept of Justice.
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I wish just once someone would have the integrity to say, “I think a crime has been committed, and we need to investigate, confirm and prosecute this crime”.
It’s like they are all pretending there is no problem, we’re just doing uh, an inventory, and Oh looky here! we stumbled on a crime! Shucks, I guess we’ll have to refer that to Justice.
Insulting to the intelligence and the demands of the majority of Americans.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:35 pmSo last summer Taguba was saying we need to prosecute them and now he’s backed off considerably. I wonder what happened in that time period…
February 20th, 2009 at 8:38 pmIt’s totally fair to say “we should investigate, and if the investigation finds a crime has been committed we should prosecute.” In fact, that’s the only responsible approach.
Now you, me and everybody else knows that high crimes and misdemeanors have been committed. But that has to be discovered by an otherwise impartial investigation in order for a prosecution to occur. Calling for an investigation (that does not exclude the possibility of prosecution) is the appropriate next step.
February 20th, 2009 at 8:47 pmI think his tone is appropriate. He’ll be needing cooperation from active military leaders in order to change military behavior for the better and to get information.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:10 pmObama needs to get on board with fixing this sh|t and putting ALL the criminals in jail
or…
just join the other side and let us know you are phucking us all again like every other c0cksucking lying shitwad politician!!!!!!
WAR CRIMES ARE WAR CRIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD!!!!!!
February 20th, 2009 at 9:12 pm“unless a suspected violation of relevant laws occurred, which should be referred to the Dept of Justice.”
We all should be voicing the same feelings. If there are crimes, by anyone, from flag officers or civilian leaders, right down through the Pvt’s, refer them to the Justice Department and share the information with the World court in The Hague.
Let the indictments fall where they may.
Pssst…. Check out Cheney and Dumbfeld…..
February 20th, 2009 at 9:21 pmhow can you investigate against the former president, they need to wake up and see reality.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:44 pmyoutube Says:
how can you investigate against the former president, they need to wake up and see reality.
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You mean, like Whitewater or Lewinsky?
Have you been a coma for the last 10 years?
February 20th, 2009 at 9:47 pmThe Bush Administration frequently said that their “number one job was to protect the American people.” This was where they were wrong. Their number one job was to protect the Constitution. In that, they failed miserably.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:08 pmyoutube Says:
how can you investigate against the former president, they need to wake up and see reality.
February 20th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Under what constitutional theory do you see investigations of former presidents being prohibited?
February 20th, 2009 at 10:09 pmyoutube Says:
how can you investigate against the former president, they need to wake up and see reality.
Like how giving Nixon a pass on Watergate allowed Iran/Contra to happen, and giving Reagan a pass on Iran/Contra allowed Bush to happen? I’m wide awake, and my vision is crystal clear. It’s about time we put a stop to this nonsense.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:09 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
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You mean, like Whitewater or Lewinsky?
Have you been a coma for the last 10 years?
oh sorry , i didnt know lewsinky was a president, sucking someone or torturing terorist is same to YOU. not to me.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:12 pmYou guys are dreaming, but IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN not in this world, POWER always win and show me a power will take a look about BUSH.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:14 pmI dont see it
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
The Bush Administration frequently said that their “number one job was to protect the American people.” This was where they were wrong. Their number one job was to protect the Constitution.
Well, that’s what the Oath of Office says. I don’t recall Bush ever publicly reciting an oath to protect the American people. If he did recite such and oath, and if he put that oath above the Oath of Office, then he committed treason.
When it comes down to it, the Consitution is just a piece of paper, and has no powers whatsoever. The way that it’s put in practice is by people faithfully executing it. The Oath of Office (as well as similar Oaths sworn by all elected officials and soldiers) is the ritual that bridges the existential gap between principles written down on a piece of paper and real human decisions and action.
Suffice to say, it’s tremendously important.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:15 pmElBruce,
Crystal Clear.
To us normal Thinking people.!
Repugs, not so much.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:15 pmyoutube Says:
oh sorry , i didnt know lewsinky was a president, sucking someone or torturing terorist is same to YOU. not to me.
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The garbled syntax… a general sense of incoherence… the self-righteous sneer…
It’s a troll trifecta!!!!
So, where are you posting from, sonny? Some 3rd world nation?
Bulgaria?
Nigeria?
Alabama?
February 20th, 2009 at 10:19 pmSuspected violation, Hell, Bush and Cheney admitted to it! It’s all been done in plain sight. America can not even think about restoration, until these and other RepubliCon traitors and war criminals are behind bars.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:29 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says
The garbled syntax… a general sense of incoherence… the self-righteous sneer…
It’s a troll trifecta!!!!
So, where are you posting from, sonny? Some 3rd world nation?
Bulgaria?
Nigeria?
Alabama?
How racist commenting is that. ALABAMA ?
February 20th, 2009 at 10:31 pmso you are in U.S.A means you are better then anyone else in the world, you world is ony a U.S.A
i’m in BOSTON.
we are here telling our thoughts and you respect that as i respect your thoughts, you racist PUNK.
How racist commenting is that. ALABAMA ?
I didn’t know Alabamans were a separate race.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:34 pmYea. They’re a lot like Texan’s except they don’t speak English.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:36 pmWho said anything about race, Wayne?
February 20th, 2009 at 10:36 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
The garbled syntax… a general sense of incoherence… the self-righteous sneer…
It’s a troll trifecta!!!!
So, where are you posting from, sonny? Some 3rd world nation?
Bulgaria?
Nigeria?
Alabama?
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
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How racist commenting is that. ALABAMA ?
I didn’t know Alabamans were a separate race.
Good job wayne, this The Republic of Stupidity, stupid ass thinks every state is different RACE , You funny The Republic of Stupidity you are in your little world and i think you have a HORSE- glasses on your EYES.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:39 pmSo even the military is alleging the possibility of war crimes.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:51 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
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Youtube, you’re a f**king illiterate idiot! Learn to speak english and make comprehensive debate arguments or STFU you MORON!
Very nice, keep writing, you just pasted the test, first race now swearing what is next.
February 20th, 2009 at 10:52 pmyou need to go to anger management, i feel sorry for you, lol
i love you republicans hate facts, you are awesome, keep swearing i will have you get kicked out of here soon.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:01 pmWhy is youtube stuck on the concept that a person’s race is a function of their nationality? Talk about stupidity . . .
And what’s with the comment about not prosecuting someone who commits a crime? Let’s see . . . it was Gerald Ford (R) who decided it was in the best interest of the nation to pardon Nixon and not prosecute him for subverting the Constitution and the rule of justice. And it was George H. W. Bush (R) who pardoned Regan. Let’s face it, republicans can’t bear to consider prosecuting another republican because they know they’re just as guilty and afraid they might be next. Anyone else . . . the death penalty at every opportunity.
What’s being enacted appears to be a choreographed show, where it will be acknowledged there were some wrong-doings, but that’s all in the past, and there’s bigger fish to fry with the economy, and the housing, and the employment crises.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:01 pmwho is talking about race ?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:07 pmi have written that there is no WAY that they will prosecute BUSH. Do you have any idea what kind of reaction will usa face if anythng happens such as prosecuting former president. This is not IRAQ, This is U.S.A
Goodbye republican hate facts
February 20th, 2009 at 11:08 pmAny guesses as to whether or not Bush’s anal sphincter has constricted?? Or is he just too dumb and arrogant to realize whats about to happen? I hope its the latter.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:14 pmyoutube Says: This is not IRAQ, This is U.S.A
A textbook example of American Exceptionalism. I fear he is right though. It’s hard for Obama’s DOJ to go after Bush when Obama’s is using his rationales…
-Greenwald
February 20th, 2009 at 11:20 pmyou didnt answer the question and changing the subject,
you knew so much, who went to JAIl as a former PRESIDENT?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:26 pmby the way i was born in here and grew up, then moved to turkey and italy as a embassy consultate son.
your nickname should be I DONT BELIEVE FACTS
The facts is that you can’t see that there will be no justice for BUSH, he will stay as he is and remembered worst president ever in american history.
republicans hate facts Says:
Your link points to a turkish website?
I was trying to figure out what language that was.
Interesting factoid, the company that makes the brand of shoe that Iraqi journalist threw at Bush is based in Turkey. Apparently they’re going to have to massively expand the company since they’re getting so many orders for that brand of shoe.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:31 pmi’m gonna buy one for republicans hate facts
do you want pair of shoes republicans hate facts ?
lol
February 20th, 2009 at 11:33 pmyoutube Says:
you knew so much, who went to JAIl as a former PRESIDENT?
Nobody yet, but I think it’s about time somebody did, or the abuses committed by subsequent Republicans in office will get worse and worse. Watergate – Iran/Contra – Iraq. I don’t know what they’d do next time, but I don’t want to find out.
The only way to put a stop to criminal activity is to prosecute it as being criminal.
You are actually arguing that the President of the USA is literally above the law. I can’t accept that.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:34 pmnobody is above the law, but the point is, even if there is a way to prosecute Bush, they will cover that up such as arresting the soldiers, police officers, and guardians, even fbi agents. then the case will close, nothing will happen the former president, they wont do it?
February 20th, 2009 at 11:38 pmi have won the argument against you republicans hates facts, you LOST. go back to your bed and sleep, i will love to argue with you about other topics, because i really liked you man lol, tough match up
February 20th, 2009 at 11:39 pmeveryone understood what i have written, except you , sorry i try little different next time such as ( ROTL )
February 20th, 2009 at 11:41 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
The Bush Administration frequently said that their “number one job was to protect the American people.” This was where they were wrong. Their number one job was to protect the Constitution. In that, they failed miserably.
And in their trampling of the Constitution, they failed to protect the American people FOR WHOM THE DOCUMENT WAS CRAFTED AND ENACTED INTO LAW.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:41 pmit is worthless go and think about economy, climate change, instead of thinking about BUSH.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:42 pmthey will go, as you look down and cry, they will not prosecute him, , why dont you try to become a lawyer and open a case against BUSH, that will work, you might make a history
February 20th, 2009 at 11:47 pmAnyone can be prosecuted, youtube…
Saying ‘it won’t happen’ does not ‘win’ an argument…
And there is a lawyer who has laid out a case for prosecution and written a book about it…
And I would be shocked to see Bush travel to Europe now that his diplomatic immunity has expired… they wouldn’t be shy about prosecution.
Do you have an argument other than ‘it won’t happen?’
February 20th, 2009 at 11:52 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
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If you REFUSE TO TRY you NEVER SUCCEED. Could explain why YOU are SUCH A LOSER since you DON’T UNDERSTAND THAT!
Why don’t you leave WHAT WILL WORK to AMERICANS as this is NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS – AL QAEDA GIRL!
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a loser, because you couldnt make me understand your little world, and saying al qaeda girl, you are a really start to annoying. what this has to do with al qaeda or 9/11, you can not defend yourself and all you can do is swearing, being racist, seeing a world as a you see your bedroom.
Just curious about your native language, youtube. It’s not English, French, or German—they have articles. You’re so fond of gerunds, I’m guessing Russian.
February 20th, 2009 at 11:59 pmwiley Says:
Just curious about your native language, youtube. It’s not English, French, or German—they have articles. You’re so fond of gerunds, I’m guessing Russian.
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I was thinking Korean, or perhaps Chinese…
February 21st, 2009 at 12:01 amwhat is the topic in here
February 21st, 2009 at 12:02 amtorturing in jail, The Jail ?
The jail not located in europe, so how europe countries can prosecute him, The europe doenst care about u.s.a president what he does or done.
Or perhaps Alabamanese?
Islamic?
Gibberish?
Idiotic?
February 21st, 2009 at 12:02 amturkish? just going by the website his moniker links to…
February 21st, 2009 at 12:02 amThe only translations I’ve ever seen that come out this choppy/inane are usually Asians trying to translate into English…
Or perhaps Arkies or Oakies…
Or Texicans from the border areas…
February 21st, 2009 at 12:04 amwhy do you guys worry about my language.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:05 amThe jail not located in europe, so how europe countries can prosecute him, The europe doenst care about u.s.a president what he does or done.
It’s called war crimes… and they can and do prosecute… the Spanish judge’s are especially active…
February 21st, 2009 at 12:05 amand do you have an argument?
February 21st, 2009 at 12:06 amor is this just English practice?
youtube Says:
why do you guys worry about my language.
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Who’s worrying?
February 21st, 2009 at 12:06 amHe clearly doesn’t have an argument… or at least a COHERENT one…
As for English practice… he definitely needs it…
February 21st, 2009 at 12:07 amWOW, i have made this topic very popular, the comments are coming unstoppable. i have done my job now and saying goodbye to everyone
February 21st, 2009 at 12:07 amnice writing to you and see you guys in other days in other topics,
Goodnight
one last time i answer a question, war crimes stands for a genocide and war.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:09 amnot questioning suspects in jail.
The Peoples’ Republic of Louisianastan?
Hey… is that you, Bobby J?
February 21st, 2009 at 12:10 amgoodnight – you won’t need to come back – your “work” here is done for good.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:10 amHe seems to be unclear about what happened in Iraq, or why some Nazis and Imperial Japanese were put on trial after WW II.
But don’t let that stop ya, Li’l Feller…
Even little incoherent trolls and grow up to be big, incoherent trolls…
Someday… Dog willing…
February 21st, 2009 at 12:12 amone last time i answer a question, war crimes stands for a genocide and war.
are you an International Law expert as well as an English scholar? I think you may have a better grasp of English…
February 21st, 2009 at 12:13 amWhy are you offering as facts things you know nothing about? Learn something or shut up.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:19 amI don’t know where youtube is from but I hope he goes back there.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:20 amword, Shayne – that one creeps me out even more than the usual suspects….
something distinctly unsavory about that one – like David Lynch movie creepy.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:28 amyoutube Says:
nobody is above the law, but the point is, even if there is a way to prosecute Bush, they will cover that up such as arresting the soldiers, police officers, and guardians, even fbi agents. then the case will close, nothing will happen the former president, they wont do it?
Which is it? Is nobody above the law, or is Bush above the law? Principle means nothing without practice.
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youtube Says:
it is worthless go and think about economy, climate change, instead of thinking about BUSH.
They’re all about as important right now. If Bush isn’t brought to justice, then his actions are condoned, and will be repeated. Then America isn’t America any more. If that’s the case, then it doesn’t matter whether I can afford a new car or not.
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youtube Says:
The jail not located in europe, so how europe countries can prosecute him, The europe doenst care about u.s.a president what he does or done.
Many of the CIA’s black sites (”the jail”) were located in the Europe. And the Europe does appear to care a great deal about what a U.S. President has done. They just want to give us the opportunity to bring our own to justice first.
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youtube Says:
one last time i answer a question, war crimes stands for a genocide and war.
not questioning suspects in jail.
Wikipedia, go!
Bush has at the very least ordered: 1b, 1e, 1f, 2c, and 3a.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:46 amyoutube,
I’m from Boston and your giving it a bad name. Loser.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:56 amyoutube,
Glancing over the last few comments, your comments appear to be completely ignorant. By ordering torture, which is illegal under international law no matter what Bush’s favorite lawyers told him, Bush committed a War Crime. Why you are convinced that he will never be prosecuted by anyone is beyond me, and strikes me as nothing more than wishful thinking. There are countries in which he would be arrested if he set foot. There are towns in the USA that will arrest him. He is a criminal on the lam as far as many people are concerned. He deserves nothing less than a prison cell. And not much more.
And you wrote the line about TRoS’s comment being racist, and then said “Alabama”. Didn’t you read what you wrote?
February 21st, 2009 at 1:41 amThe reality is changing Presidents for the better isn’t enough to make sure torture won’t happen again. Nor is it fair that chimpy prosecuted and killed Iraq head of state because of his actions of long ago when they couldn’t find (knowingly) the mushroom cloud nukes.
Nothing less than a trial.
February 21st, 2009 at 5:02 amBush has plenty to worry about. While his Secret Service protection will only continue for ten years, there is no statute of limitations for war crimes. His Saudi buddies will have to come see him in Texas, because he won’t be able to leave the country, for fear of rendition to the Hague.
February 21st, 2009 at 7:02 am[I support] a structured commission with some form of authority with clear objectives and a follow-on action plan. I’m not looking for anything that is prosecutorial in nature, unless a suspected violation of relevant laws occurred, which should be referred to the Dept of Justice.
I don’t agree. To find out if relevant laws were broken, it could be necessary to ask “prosecutorial” – meaning, leading – questions of witnesses. To state that he isn’t interested in a prosecutorial stance, announces his willingness to put the cart before the horse, and only prosecute if something inadvertent pops out of a witness’ mouth, during “questioning.” This is a legally toothless position.
February 21st, 2009 at 7:11 amWho knows where we’ll be in 10, 15 years, our economic and military power could slip so far that another country could decide that they could do an “extraordinary rendition” on bush. People would be pissed, but it would be delicious irony.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:21 amAt this point, a REAL investigation into the Bush Crimes will make Americans happy no matter how much they’re suffering financially right now. Allowing the Bush Regime to get away with murder has depressed our country. It’s time for action!
February 21st, 2009 at 8:50 amDidn’t you recognize the speach patterns….youtube is George W. Bush!!!!
February 21st, 2009 at 10:01 amRepublicans Hate Facts,
I went to bed with this thread open. I checked it this morning and #91. What’s up with that? MA doesn’t breed ignorant inbred losers like youtube. It’s got some form of healthcare and the schools are miles ahead of what we have here in CA. The politicians, for the most part, are better too.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:27 amA little background, I’m a lifelong Dem. from a small town outside of Boston. My parents have been delegates to the DNC many times (they’re now retired) and I’ve had the pleasure to meet Sen. Kennedy on several occassions.
I’m just an average guy. I think you’ll find the people from Boston are far and away more democratic and compasionate than most places in the U.S.
rhf, good job keeping the troll from lying and getting away with it……like talking to a wall, all graffiti.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:16 amThis country has slipped into immorallity ever since the 70’s Nixon era. Only a handful of people even want to pursue war crimes and no one at all wants to procecute the Iraq war as a war crime of the highest magnitude. The United States has lost all the moral stature it once had, lawlessness is now the norm in this country. It is up to foreign justice to end the madness that has taken over as no one here has any moral compass or integrity anymore except liberal bloggers and a handful of top players.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:22 amThat’s only part of the reason why Holder is seemingly willing to let bygones be bygones when it comes to prosecuting Bush’s crew members for the blatant civil liberties abuses. The other part is that it would pry open again the Democrats dirty but hardly unknown secret. When word leaked out about the scope and complexity of the warrantless wiretap program before the 2006 midterm elections Congressional Democrats not only did nothing about it, they aided and abetted the Bush administration in the illegal spying.
The Democratic-controlled Congress passed the “Protect America Act.” This put the Congressional stamp of approval on what Bush did and actually expanded his powers to snoop. The targets weren’t just foreign terror suspects and known operatives but American citizens. Democrats knew this and approved it by inserting in the law open-ended wording that permitted legalized spying on anyone outside the U.S. who intelligence agencies “reasonably believed” to possess foreign intelligence information The law deliberately made no distinction about exactly who the target could be. Then there was the infamous clause that granted immunity from lawsuits to communications service providers that made Bush snooping possible. With no fear or threat of legal action against the companies, the wraps were legally off on who could be snooped on. As an added sweetener, the law also gave Bush emergency power to tap for up to a week anyone deemed a terror threat; all without a warrant. That didn’t end matters.
That’s the example of why they can not prosecute BUSH. If you do not know about what’s happening inside that congress, just shut up and listen, dont just jump and make some stupid comments, if they prosecute Bushm then you prosecute all Congress , can anyone do it ? :)
republicans hate facts ?
Wayne A. Schneider ?
ElBruce ?
The Republic of Stupidity ?
belac ?
I’m waiting your comments smart assies as shown their nicknames above.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:59 amyoutube:
February 21st, 2009 at 12:02 pmCan you do an Ollie? I doubt it
dont comment about me comment about topic mr dumbass
February 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pmThe Constitution requires that the president take care that the laws be faithfully executed. The president has this responsibility regardless of what Congress says. The Constitution also prohibits ex-post-facto laws. Further, all persons working for the government must take an oath to support and defend the Constitution.
Therefore, a law passed by Congress that immunizes the President against prosecution for violating the law and the Constitution would, in itself, be unconstitutional. It would amount to a form of conspiracy to bypass the Constitution, and would be illegal and without valid authority (since it would be a law passed that was not in support of the Constitution.)
February 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pmawfull comment only a loser can do as you did wayne, where are the others ?
February 21st, 2009 at 12:44 pmrepublicans hate facts ?
ElBruce ?
The Republic of Stupidity ?
belac ?
Well, youtube, I’m sorry such a “winner” as you is incapable of reading and comprehending. Was it too far over your head for you to understand?
Don’t expect anyone else to answer you. You’ve proven yourself incapable of serious discussion.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:50 pmyou eyes are blind, can not even accept that, whatelse do you need thats prove why can not prosecute him, stupid LOSERS, your democrats voted for him now you demanding justice, go to your little world where you live and shut up
February 21st, 2009 at 12:59 pmyou get it, what you get, your brain is boiling and cant even make comments about this topic, all you do is swearing around and calling people some stupid names, i think you are a trailer park boy
February 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pmyoutube Says:
awfull comment only a loser can do as you did wayne, where are the others ?
youtube Says:
you get it, what you get, your brain is boiling and cant even make comments about this topic, all you do is swearing around and calling people some stupid names, i think you are a trailer park boy
You sure you’re not talking about yourself here, youtube?
February 21st, 2009 at 1:08 pmi told you i was born in here you stupid dumbass racist shit,
February 21st, 2009 at 1:10 pmyoutube Says:
you get it, what you get, your brain is boiling and cant even make comments about this topic, all you do is swearing around and calling people some stupid names, i think you are a trailer park boy
youtube Says:
i told you i was born in here you stupid dumbass racist shit,
Okay, now you’re talking about yourself.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:11 pmi’m talking about you stupid losers who were very confident last night about prosecuting BUSH, now you see that what democrats did, can not even make a comment about it and starts attacking me , how old you guys are 12-17 ?
February 21st, 2009 at 1:12 pmscare me lol, i’m in here in boston everyone can come and investigate me, why dont you if you think you can ?
February 21st, 2009 at 1:16 pmanyway i have game to watch, stay here as long as you like, i will return to you night time and i will make you understand about this topic if it takes a year, you stupid junk
February 21st, 2009 at 1:19 pmyoutube,
You haven’t successfully “explained” anything. I’ve explained why Congress’ attempt to give Bush a pass was unconstitutional, and you called me a “loser”. Have you read the Constitution lately? Or at all? If so, quote me the parts in the Constitution that say the president can ignore the law and Congress can immunize him when he does so.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:23 pmyoutube #101
I try to not respond to republicans because they never have their facts straight.
Bloomberg published a report that the illegal wiretaps began in 2000, that’s before 9/11, and it’s since been acknowledged that they began in 2001 (if not before).
The Protect America Act passed the House and the Senate even though the Congress was Democratically controlled. The votes were:
Senate Republicans Yea: 43 Nay: 0
Senate Democrats Yea: 16 Nay: 27
Independent: Yea: 1 Nay: 1
That’s Leiberman and Sanders respectively.
Congressional Republicans Yea: 186 Nay: 2
Congressional Democrats Yea: 41 Nay: 181
Seriously, I hate doing research, even if it’s only ten minutes, to disprove you guys.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:23 pmGet a life, get a clue, post were people will believe you. We know better.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/earl-ofari-hutchinson/holder-cant-prosecute-bus_b_158447.html
February 21st, 2009 at 1:31 pmI’m not republican i voted for obama, we are not here to discuss about parties, we are here discuss can they prosecute Bush or not ?
Go that link and read why they will not do it, it is explains why
Seriously? They can prosecute Bush for any number of things. I would hate to list them all. Even if I came up with a dozen or so, other posters could come with more.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:39 pmWhether or not they’ll do it is another question. They certainly have the legal right and authority to do so. It’s also common knowledge that he break the law any number of times. It’s just a matter of will.
And let’s not get into international law. I personally hope he ends up in the Hague.
I’m not republican. I voted for Obama; we are not here to discuss parties, we are here discussing whether they can prosecute Bush or not.
Go to that link and read why they will not do it; it explains why.
Except it only deals with one aspect: wiretapping, not the whole cornucopia of illegality that is the Bush administration.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:44 pmMake that “was” the Bush administration, thank Jefferson.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:45 pmmake me get out, you only dream or wish, but wont happen lol
February 21st, 2009 at 1:49 pmThe reason that Holder and others have not discussed prosecuting Bush & Co. is that they’re perfectly aware how Republicans can fight dirty once they know there’s a fight coming. They won’t talk about it, they’ll just do it.
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youtube Says:
…it would pry open again the Democrats dirty but hardly unknown secret. When word leaked out about the scope and complexity of the warrantless wiretap program before the 2006 midterm elections Congressional Democrats not only did nothing about it, they aided and abetted the Bush administration in the illegal spying.
Are you referring to the Bush administration’s claim that they secretly briefed congressional leadership on the wiretap plan? There are some problems with that:
1. No recording of the conversation was taken. We don’t know how much of the plan was explained, or to what extent. Therefore, there’s no proof that Congressional leadership was informed of any illegal activity.
2. It was a classified briefing. Thus even if they had discussed illegal activity, it would still have been illegal for those members of Congress to say anything about it.
So, no. Congressional Dems are not legally culpable for the actions of the Bush administration. That’s just another Rovian empty threat.
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The Democratic-controlled Congress passed the “Protect America Act.” This put the Congressional stamp of approval on what Bush did and actually expanded his powers to snoop. The targets weren’t just foreign terror suspects and known operatives but American citizens. Democrats knew this and approved it by inserting in the law open-ended wording that permitted legalized spying on anyone outside the U.S. who intelligence agencies “reasonably believed” to possess foreign intelligence information.
That was done after the illegal warrantless wiretaps had already been committed. It’s irrelevant to whether a crime was committed. A crime was committed, by the President of the United States. It doesn’t matter whether other people approved of the action, or whether they changed the law at a later date to make it legal thenceforth. It was still a crime at the time that the President ordered it to be done.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:54 pmmake me get out, you only dream or wish,
February 21st, 2009 at 2:24 pm—
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You have no chance youtube…
youtube Says:
i told you i was born in here you stupid dumbass racist shit,
wait, didn’t you promise to flag me for typing racist A S S (such a bad language word) yesterday in the slumdog thread?
And then this?
stupid dumbass racist shit,
I don’t know what to think… tsk. tsk…
Oh, and do you have an argument about why Bush should NOT be investigated other than you don’t believe it will happen?
February 21st, 2009 at 3:14 pmNo, belac, he does not. Because there is no reason why Bush should not be investigated, arrested, tried, convicted (the evidence is overwhelming), and sent to jail for a very, very long time.
Look, I have no problem with treating ex-presidents with respect, but only the ones who served as president honorably. Bush was one of the most dishonorable men to serve as this nation’s president. He deserves no benefits of the doubt. He deserves to be in prison.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:39 pmClearly, if we are to live up to our ideals – so highly praised by those on the right and left, that we are a nation of laws and not of men – there is no other choice but to investigate and determine if laws were broken. There is abundant probable cause to think that that laws were broken, oaths of office were violated, and constitutional duties to see the laws are faithfully executed were violated were violated.
Those who investigate whether and what , must have subpoena power to compel testimony. The investigation has to start at the top, with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Mukasey, Yoo, Bybee, Addington, and Rove.
The only reason I can see why this wouldn’t happen is the hissy fit that would surely be unleashed by those on the right would intimidate Democrats. Are we a nation of laws and not of men? We’ll see.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:46 pmHere’s an edited version of the one I sent too hastily.
Clearly, if we are to live up to our ideals – so highly praised by those on the right and left, that we are a nation of laws and not of men – there is no other choice but to investigate and determine if laws were broken. There is abundant probable cause to think that that laws were broken, oaths of office were violated, and constitutional duties to see the laws are faithfully executed were violated during the Bush Administrations, and that the unlawful activity was instigated from the top.
Those who investigate whether and what laws might have been broken, oaths violated and constitutional duties violated, must have subpoena power to compel testimony. The investigation has to start at the top, with Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Gonzales, Mukasey, Yoo, Bybee, Addington, and Rove. The list goes on, but I think should not include those lower down who were just following what they understood to be lawful orders from their superiors.
The only reason I can see why this wouldn’t happen is the hissy fit that would surely be unleashed by those on the right would intimidate Democrats. Are we a nation of laws and not of men? We’ll see.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:54 pmJust get it started! The sooner they are in jail, the sooner America can start to be restored.
February 21st, 2009 at 6:11 pmyoutube Says: 12
You are stupid and you are embarassing yourself. Adult education, look into it.
February 22nd, 2009 at 6:20 amyoutube Says:
i’m talking about you stupid losers who were very confident last night about prosecuting BUSH, now you see that what democrats did, can not even make a comment about it and starts attacking me , how old you guys are 12-17 ?
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You are so stupid you are embarassing yourself constantly. Calling you a moron would be an insult to morons and you want to tell us we are stupid losers? You DEFINE the term. Your nick is shorthand for amazingly ignorant. You are just lucky that irony isnt fatal or your head would have exploded. Are you an infant? I mean a particularly STUPID infant of course. Bush SHOULD be prosecuted. Dems might be to cowardly to actually do it.
February 22nd, 2009 at 4:47 pm(non-partisan) <- hell the wing nuts out there can not even agree to help the people that elected them, how in the hell are they going to investigate anything in a non-partisan way?
February 23rd, 2009 at 11:49 amSorry to disagree, but this is somehow, nothing less than an attempted ‘cut them (liberals)off at the pass’ play, maybe a ‘red herring’ against more powerful, ongoing congressional investigations, into neocon mistakes! The ‘real process’ of democracy, is invisible, and happens in the voting booth!!
February 23rd, 2009 at 2:07 pmBush must be investigated incessantly.
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