At Least 22 Lawmakers Have Touted The Money From The Recovery Package They Voted Against
At Least 22 Lawmakers Have Touted The Money From The Recovery Package They Voted Against
On Wednesday, ThinkProgress pointed out that several Republican lawmakers who voted against President Obama’s economic recovery package are now touting its benefits to their constituents. The New York Times picked up on the phenomena yesterday, writing that “the temptation to take credit for at least a few of those billions” has proved “irresistible” to the anti-stimulus lawmakers.
For instance, Rep. John Mica (R-FL) gushed after the passage of the bill he voted against, releasing a statement that applauded Obama’s “recognition that high-speed rail should be part of America’s future.” Mica’s chief of staff, Rusty Roberts, defended his boss to the Times, saying that “it’s possible to oppose the entire bill on principle and favor certain sections of it.”
Roberts isn’t alone in this rationalization. Thus far, ThinkProgress has found at least 22 lawmakers who voted against the bill, but have spoken positively about what the money will do for their constituents. Here are a few examples that the New York Times missed:
— Sen. Mike Crapo (R-ID) bragged to Idaho lawmakers that “Approximately $400 million plus, maybe as much as $465 million will come to INL right here in Idaho for hundreds of new jobs and a significantly expedited clean up activity.”
– Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC) defended his vote against the bill on Thursday, but added that he was “prepared to fight” for “Western North Carolina getting its fair share” of the stimulus money.
ThinkProgress will continue to add to our list and follow members of Congress who tout the benefits of the recovery package that they voted again.
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Some people can’t seem to understand that sometimes the best medicines are the hardest ones to swallow.
Petulence at its worst.
February 21st, 2009 at 8:45 amWhat are bunch of ingrates. Hopefully their duplicity will be remembered come 2010.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:00 amPersonally, I think the republicans who voted against the bill should not have their states receiving any of the money. They need to be held accountable for voting against the interests of their constituents.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:08 amMica’s chief of staff, Rusty Roberts, defended his boss to the Times, saying that “it’s possible to oppose the entire bill on principle and favor certain sections of it.”
Specifically the money that is going to your own district.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:12 amPhony.
They WANT and NEED that money, their constituents WANT and NEED that money–they just can’t bear to think it is coming from a progressive, Democratic President and a supportive Democratic Congress. What has your GOP done for YOU, lately?
February 21st, 2009 at 9:26 amIf they refused the money then they would be accused of “trying to make Obama’s plan fail” by not going along with it. If it did fail and not properly stimulate the economy the complaint from here would be “Almost half the states didn’t follow the plan of course it failed”. “It’s the rethugs forcong the economy to stay down”.
So basically most of you will never be happy unless everyone bows down and does exactly what Obama says, when he says it with zero disent.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:32 amI agree that the Republisucm should be cut out completely if they voted against the package…partisian hacks, every last f ucking one of them. Just my opinion…
February 21st, 2009 at 9:35 amYou gotta love the party of NO. Their only agenda is to make sure Obama fails so they can win back congress in two years. They will take the money only to make sure the people of their states don’t vote their asses out, but in the long run they will continue to do everything they can to make sure Democrats and the country fails. I hope there is a special place in hell for these clowns.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:48 amList of 22 GOP hip-hop “hippo”-crits (hypocrites).
February 21st, 2009 at 9:52 amThe hip-o-critical party of NO is going down in flames. Never before has their collective hypocrisy been more evident to all of the people.
They’re toast.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:52 amReject the money = More for everyone else
Vote NO: No votie/no moola
February 21st, 2009 at 9:53 amIt’s time for these lying scumbags to put their money where their mouth is – or their mouth where the money is.
Vote No and become denied of the funds. Then you’d see their constituents rising up against them.
Just for their obstructionist “No” vote, they will be ousted from office by the people.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:53 amI wonder what Gary Condit is thinking.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:54 amI have to locate my thesaurus — I need a word stronger than hypocrite to describe these phony basturds.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:55 amOT, but there’s no weekend ThinkFast:
Israel’s ambassador to the U.S. on Friday called for the world to take “immediate and serious action” after a United Nations report revealed that Iran has acquired enough uranium for a nuclear bomb
Gibbs called Iran an urgent problem that has to be addressed. “We can’t delay addressing it,” he said.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1065810.html
February 21st, 2009 at 9:55 amGroups are keeping tabs on these frauds and this vote will be back to haunt those whose seats are up for grabs in 2010.
Jindal’s chances of being elected just plummeted proportionately as well. He now looks like a total “misanthrope” (people hater).
February 21st, 2009 at 9:56 amYeah cut them out, the plan will still work with only half the people actually following it.
Why do you guys want to see the economic plan fail?
February 21st, 2009 at 9:57 amWhile you are doing a good job flagging this for TP readers, and I am grateful that you keep us posted, much of America will never know nor will the “connect the dots” so understand that if the repugs voted as a block against this, they are hypocrites to take credit for and or “tout” the cash that comes in as a result of the bill the tried to block.
Even worse than trying to block it, is the dishonest rhetoric before and after passage.
Until we work together to influence the mainstream media, these lawmakers know that their hypocracy does not matter – their “base” will just be watching the likes of “faux news” anyhow.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:57 amLet’s face it: It’s a LOSE/LOSE for the Party of No (PON).
If the plan works, they’re totally screwed; if the plan fails, they get blamed for all of the criticism and negative publicity.
Whether it was sheer genius of this administration or just serendipity, it’s worked and the GOP is looking lamer and more impotent than ever. Obama can’t lose now.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:57 amMary: Just look under the synonyms for “pure evil” and there you will see the members of the GOP.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:58 amThe mainstream media which is fascist owned and operated will never become enlightened and report the truth (facts). That’s why people are now boycotting them – with the exception of MSNBC. Fox news has been totally discredited and Murdoch’s empire is coming apart at the seams. I imagine that his newspapers will slide into total irrelevancy and we will see the end of his network news channel within the next two years. News Corp is hitting the skids right now and will not endure.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:00 amJindal thinks he is going to be the next President, so he doesn’t give a shit about the people of his state, except the rich ones. He is betting on Obama failing and repugs will then gain control of the congress and then the white house. With repugs it always party and politics first and the country last.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:03 amTundra Says:
Yeah cut them out, the plan will still work with only half the people actually following it.
Why do you guys want to see the economic plan fail
Cut them out? It’s more like make them stick to their principles. None of them said this could work. None of them said parts of the plan are good, lets work to make it better. No. They spoke with a unified voice and said this was a bad plan that was loaded with pork and what needs to be done is cut taxes on the rich, again. So be a man, and take responsibility for your actions. Or be a republican and whine.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:12 amTundra says:
Perhaps you can point out where anyone said that they wanted to see the economic plan fail.
Personally, I think cutting funding to the states whose republican thugs didn’t vote for the package is a bit extreme, as the people still need the monty… but I can see the point. If the states don’t receive the money, they can thank their local republican representative or senator who voted against the package.
Since most (not all… I am not generalizing) right-wingers are military-minded… it’s the political equivalent of punishing recruits in bootcamp for the screwup of one guy.
Still and all, it is a bit extreme… no reason for those who need the money to be punished… but hey, their republicans were intent on punishing them anyhow by voting against the package… right?
“You guys” indeed… generalize much?
February 21st, 2009 at 10:12 ammonty=money… play, magic fingers.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:13 amtypical republiscum trick:
February 21st, 2009 at 10:15 amtake responsibility for something you have no right to take responsibility for, just like they did with the clinton surplus. assclowns one and all.
I donno, the image of repubicans needing the “monty” as in the full monty makes a certain amount of sense…
February 21st, 2009 at 10:15 amLOL… Bob… you have a point there. Big cars, lots of money to waste, big important positions… repubs are compensating for something. ;)
Damn, my Freudian Slip is showing…
February 21st, 2009 at 10:16 amWhy do you guys want to see the economic plan fail?
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February 21st, 2009 at 10:19 amI don’t know, why don’t you ask Rush?
are the repukies also going to take responsibility for their fuhrer 43’s trillion dollar off the books debacle in the mideast? of course not, they’ll blame it on the democrats being “soft on defense”
February 21st, 2009 at 10:20 amIn related stories, Germans take credit for the creation of Israel, the Spanish pat themselves on the back for population control in the Americas in the last millennium, and Southerners announce the success of the “Bring an African to Work” campaign of the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:21 amYa see, trolls who oppose Obama and the plan don’t get to accuse others of “wanting to see the plan fail”.
You don’t really get the concept of “hypocrisy”, do you? Probably because it’s too close to your heart.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:22 amAnother Joe Says: much of America will never know
I post this stuff in a note on my Facebook page for all the redneck Conservatives with whom I went to high school. It might not change their thinking, but it seems to stop fewer of them from making criticism in the first place, since they now know that I’m going to diffuse tehir bombs with facts and evidence against their invalid claims, which might be a small accomplishment if we continue to collectively reveal the lies every chance we ge.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:22 amIf his constituents are going to pay for it, I don’t think you can criticize him for trying to fight for his constituents to get the benefit they are paying for.
On the other hand, If Jindal refuses part of the money because he doesn’t think LA needs it, why would you criticize someone for electing not to spend money.
There is an effort here to go after anyone that opposed the stimulus. I get it. But, besides going after the officials that want to take credit for funds they voted against, (Not Jindal and not Shuler and others), it just comes off as sour grapes against those that disagreed with your position.
It’s a big country. It’s a lot of money. People feel different ways. It’s okay to disagree.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:23 ambackup says:
Umm… what? See, he didn’t even want his constituents to have it in the first place. He is being a hypocrite. Flip-flopping. If he disbelieves in it the stimulus package that much, why isn’t he sticking to his guns instead of refusing a cookie from the jar because cookies fall outside of his own diet plan?
Simple… because cookies are sweet and delicious, and he just can’t refuse.
But of course, if he says he’s doing it for his constituents… makes him look like he discovered the cookies that will feed all.
Damn, now I’m hungry.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:29 amUsed as anyone who doesn’t want those states to get the money. While I am not sure how many “teams” they have been on, but when you are making a plan you can be against it. Once it becomes the “official plan” you do everything you can to make it work, even if you don’t believe it is the best one.
Not a big fan of him because he is just as partisan as this site. As long as people keep insulting the other side and refuse to work together, nothing will ever get better.
By trying to refuse those states money you are forcing the plan to fail because it is a “total” plan. Doing half of it will fail, but then you can still have your “boggieman” and continue to be upset. Win/Win. Or you could get behind Obamas plan and want to see it implemented as it was written and see if it can fly on it’s own merits.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:29 amhey, i’ve seen headlines like this the past couple of days:
Citi, B of A shares fall on nationalization fears Reuters
you don’t think lindsay grahm put that out there last sunday to further complicate things… a bit o’ sabotage…
surely not on purpose, right? …
just wonderin’…
February 21st, 2009 at 10:29 amEgad… not my day for typing… remove “instead of” insert comma in first paragraph.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:31 am“– Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC) defended his vote against the bill on Thursday, but added that he was “prepared to fight” for “Western North Carolina getting its fair share” of the stimulus money.”
backup, i think the main problem here is the “hurray for me fcuk you” mentality 99% of repuke politicians have towards this nation. if it doesn’t benefit them or their chances of reelection they will obstruct until the bitter end
February 21st, 2009 at 10:31 ambackup, Jindal is not saying they don’t need it. Jindal is saying that he doesn’t think people who have lost their jobs should get anymore help from the feds, because in his mind they have gotten enough. Maybe they will just die and then it would solve their problem by having less poor people that they have to deal with. New Orleans would be such a nice place if there were less poor people. With Jindal this is all about politics and not the well being of the class of people repugs don’t give a shit about.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:36 ambackup Says:
There is an effort here to go after anyone that opposed the stimulus.
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Riiiiiiiiiiiiight… w’e're gonna drive by their houses, one at a time, later on tonight and egg them, then string up TP.
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I get it.
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No, you don’t. Trust me. You NEVER get it.
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But, besides going after the officials that want to take credit for funds they voted against, (Not Jindal and not Shuler and others), it just comes off as sour grapes against those that disagreed with your position.
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No, it doesn’t come off as sour grapes. The ones who come off sounding like sour grapes are Rush, or Hannity, and your fellow trolls who come here to wet themselves and wring their hands over every perceived faux paux Obama makes.
Gasp! They’re… they’re… NOT wearing ties in the Oval Office!!!
We’re just making sure as many people as possible, including YOU, are aware of the selfishness and hypocrisy of the GOOPers. Obama’s been president jsut amonth, and some, like Rush Lardball, are calling his admin a disaster and a failure. Shite, even someone as bedrock crazy as pat Roberstson called Rush out for his hateful, TRAITROUS nonsense.
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It’s a big country. It’s a lot of money. People feel different ways. It’s okay to disagree.
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But we’re still at war, b-cup!!! It’s unpatriotic and even TRAITOROUS to disagree w/ the President. You’re giving support to the Enemy… those who want to destroy our way of life! You should be snatched off the street, not allowed to talk to a lawyer, have your assets seized and your citizenship stripped.
NEXT!!!!!!
February 21st, 2009 at 10:37 amAnd let’s not forget that some republicans did add amendments to the economic stimulus bill for billions more and still voted against it! Yeah, yeah, it was okay for them to say, “This bill is expensive! We shouldn’t be paying for it!”, while at the same time adding more money to it. A-holes.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:38 amThis is just brilliant. Obama kicked their collective ass again.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:41 amkaty Says:
you don’t think lindsay grahm put that out there last sunday to further complicate things… a bit o’ sabotage…
surely not on purpose, right? …
just wonderin’…
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I’d say it’s the same thing w/ Roland Burriss.
The Dems didn’t want to seat Roland, if I recall. GOOPers immediately called them racists for not doing so. The Dems were in a bind. They had no legal ground to not seat him but they might have suspected something like this was going to come up. and so did the GOOPers.
So now the Dems and the St of Illinois have to go thru this whole circus of dealing w/ Roland, who should just come to his senses and resign. And now the GOOPers will try to use Burriss as an example of Dem corruption.
First they were racists and now they’re corrupt, but they didn’t want to seat him for all the right reasons in the first place.
Quick question… has Bohner cried yet?
February 21st, 2009 at 10:43 amDamn, TRoS — you got some good wood on that hanging curveball.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:44 amTundra Says:
“Not a big fan of him because he is just as partisan as this site. As long as people keep insulting the other side and refuse to work together, nothing will ever get better.”
imagine that, now that repukies are in the minority, they want to hold hands and sing “kubaya”. where were you for the past eight years? that’s right, bobbing your head up and down with everything limballs was saying and calling people like me traitors.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:45 amralph the wonder llama Says:
Damn, TRoS — you got some good wood on that hanging curveball.
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T’anks, ralphie… and I ain’t even had any coffee yet…
Sheesh… I can barely see outta my one real eye…
February 21st, 2009 at 10:46 amThe repugs got plenty of chances to work with the dems – they refused to.
(1). They LOST the election – whatever happened to the if of a “mandate” that repugs and the lying liars in the msm proclaimed after dur chimpfurher lost the popular vote in 2000 and stole 2004 by a razor thin margin.
(2). The same tired ol’ policies that resulted in negative economic growth and a massive loss of jobs is not going to fix things – the repugs got to implement their “experiment” for 8 years – vitually unopposed.
Obama and the dems are doing what the people elected them to do – chimpy did now win a “third term” via john mcsame.
And how they want to complain…
They hate democracy because they know their style of crony capitalism goes against the best-interests of the vast majority of Americans.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:49 amBozo The Neoclown Says:
… where were you for the past eight years? that’s right, bobbing your head up and down…
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Oh… he was bobbing his head up and down all righty… but it didn’t have anything to do w/ what Rush was saying.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:49 amTROS,
February 21st, 2009 at 10:52 amlike tallulah bankhead once said, “if you don’t have anything nice to say…pull up a chair over here near me”
There are plenty of posts on this site from me over the last 3 years. Go ahead and find “One” where I ever said anything nice about Rush. To add to that go ahead and find “one” where I ever called “anyone” a traitor (even though my opinion has been different in many places). Then again wouldn’t want “facts” getting in the way of your hate spewing.
This may come as a shock to you but I didn’t vote for Obama. However I sure as heck don’t want to see him fail. I honestly hope he does a great job, supppose that makes me a hypocrit huh? Because I’m willing to take the good of the country if it works out that way even though my ideas were beat?
February 21st, 2009 at 10:52 amTundra Says:
There are plenty of posts on this site from me over the last 3 years.
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And you were an obnoxious, smug pain in the ass over and over and over again.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:53 ami sent some links to the TP stories about this to the “ace stenographer” at my local daily… there was a story in yesterday’s paper about the IL 19 congressman john shimkus, who was speaking here… he said he is “disappointed” with the focus of the stimulus package…
“It’s passed so I have to cheer for it [...] In 18 months, I hope they prove me wrong.”
“It’s an embarrassment,” he said. “It’s the largest spending bill in the history of this country — equaling all emergency spending since 9/11.”
… he is ‘particularly disappointed with the relatively small amount of money earmarked for infrastructure’…
he ‘charged congressional Democrats with putting together sloppy legislation too quickly.’ “I don’t think they cared what was in it,” he said. “This was supposed to be a job creation bill, but there’s more money for growing government. We did something, but we could have done so much more.”
i wish †he story was online because typing so much is a drag…
but it was an interesting story… not sure what he was saying elsewhere, but this is pretty friendly territory for him… has gotten re-elected 2 more time since promising to only serve 2 terms…
oh, this is good: he said ‘many of those jobs [in the 19th] will be in the energy business, baring growing concern about global warming… a coal fired plant is under construction in washington co., [others] proposed for [2 other areas]‘…
“But the climate change debate could threaten all those jobs.”
‘Shimkus pledged to be an advocate for traditional forms of energy in Congress.’
“You can’t build enough windmills or solar panels to run factories,” he said.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:54 amBozo The Neoclown Says:
TROS,
like tallulah bankhead once said, “if you don’t have anything nice to say…pull up a chair over here near me”
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Hehe… that Tallulah… I think we’re on safe ground assuming Tallulah would have liked the Intertubes, huh?
February 21st, 2009 at 10:55 amI thought all along that the Dims should have at least offered an amendment to the bill specifying that no stimulus funds should be allocated to the districts of Representatives–or the whole states–of the Congresscritters who voted AGAISNT the project.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:56 amBREAKING NEWS: Republicans are hypocrites! Team coverage at 11:00!
February 21st, 2009 at 10:58 amtundra:
“Because I’m willing to take the good of the country if it works out that way even though my ideas were beat?”
again, the question remains. where were you eight years ago when 43 was banging the drums for his illegal, uneccessary war? certain that hasn’t been for the good of this country.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:59 amlike tallulah bankhead once said, “if you don’t have anything nice to say…pull up a chair over here near me”
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It was, iirc, Alice (Roosevelt) Longworth.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:59 amtokin librul ,
February 21st, 2009 at 11:01 ami can never keep my venomous homegirls straight eventhough they have provided me with a blueprint for living. mea culpa
tokin librul Says:
I thought all along that the Dims should have at least offered an amendment to the bill specifying that no stimulus funds should be allocated to the districts of Representatives–or the whole states–of the Congresscritters who voted AGAISNT the project.
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Yeah… but that would have been discriminatory… against people living in doublewides, and those who support same-family marriages as opposed to just same-sex marriages.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:04 amand the editorial staff had a good day, able to run TWO (2) colums slamming Obama… and one of them was by Helen Thomas…
bet THAT was fun to find!
but the winner is good ol’ rich lowry with “A Tainted Win”…
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=YWIyODIzZTRmNDRmYTAyMDBiYzNiYmYzMTM2NzI5YjU=
here’s helen’s:
February 21st, 2009 at 11:04 amwell, that’s weird, i can’t find it online… weird…
tokin librul Says:
It was, iirc, Alice (Roosevelt) Longworth.
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Yeah… but I’ll bet Tallulah stole the line at least once…
February 21st, 2009 at 11:05 amTundra Says: even though my ideas were beat?
Actualy, your ideas failed. Just a modicum of knowledge of 20th century United States history could have shown you that prior to supporting those ideas.
Trickle Down is a lie. Capitalism, as written by Adam Smith has always been about power to the people.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:05 amI have gone against Bush’s position many times. Even when it came down to Iraq. I finally joined the “bring them all home now” crowd (about 2 years ago). Which of course has sure shut it’s trap lately. Seems having no real timeline (16 months which may be longer depending on the situation on the ground) is now a good thing. Personally I think Bush was a fairly lousy president, doesn’t mean I am going to blindly follow Obama or believe everything he does is wrong either.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:06 amBackup with his usual out of context rant about things that aren’t happening but he want’s to pretend so he can act like he’s better than anyone else.
It’s the hypocricy stupid. They voted against it and railed against it and now they act like it is happening because of something they did……that plain enough for ya cap?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:06 amunbelievable Says:
Trickle Down is a lie.
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Something certainly trickled down. It just wasn’t money.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:07 amah… some minor (?) word changes… i think this is it:
Obama Follows Some Of Bush’s Footsteps
February 21st, 2009 at 11:07 amAdministration Invokes State Secrets Act
http://www.wlky.com/helenthomas/18749751/detail.html
Fred Says:
Backup with his usual out of context rant about things that aren’t happening but he want’s to pretend so he can act like he’s better than anyone else.
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That pretty much sums up b-cup’s schtick completely, Fred.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:08 amThe Republic of Stupidity Says,
This member only comments about other people comments, nothingelse, i wonder why ?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:09 aminteresting… my paper had her with “King Features”…
February 21st, 2009 at 11:10 amthat linked article said “Hearst” …
“Consumption is the sole end and purpose of all production; and the interest of the producer ought to be attended to, only so far as it may be necessary for promoting that of the consumer.”
“No society can surely be flourishing and happy, of which the far greater part of the members are poor and miserable.”
“The real and effectual discipline which is exercised over a workman is that of his customers. It is the fear of losing their employment which restrains his frauds and corrects his negligence.”
–Adam Smith, Father of Capitalism, who is surley spinnin in his grave due to how his invention has been perverted by the rich
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/adam_smith.html
February 21st, 2009 at 11:11 amFred Says:
Backup with his usual out of context rant about things that aren’t happening but he want’s to pretend so he can act like he’s better than anyone else.
Backup’s delusion is that he’s the “reasonable” one. The rest of us just don’t think as clearly as he does.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:12 amyoutube Says:
“This member only comments about other people comments, nothingelse, i wonder why ?”
it’s called meaningful discourse and debate, two concepts foreign to repukies. if you want a bobblyhead circle jerk may i suggest you try your hand at townhall, redstate or freeperville. i am sure they would let you be in the middle of the bukake since you’re the new guy.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:13 amBecause the stupidity of the trolls is so vast, it leaves him time for little else.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:14 amHis MO is repetitive and boorish…..I need coffee….
in the immortal words of eor….thanks for noticin.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:14 amyoutube Says:
The Republic of Stupidity Says,
This member only comments about other people comments, nothingelse, i wonder why ?
Because you’re dumb?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:15 amHe had me convinced for a long time — well, not really convinced… more just convinced that he deserved the benefit of the doubt.
No longer.
Why did it take me so long to see the real b-cup? I think I just crave meaningful discussion with reasonable conservatives so much, and there are so very few who show up here.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:15 amPassing this Stimulus Package was only the first Step.
Business as Usual is no longer an Option.
If this plan is to succeed, it will require Transparency, Scrutiny, Evaluation, and Follow up.
Obama stated clearly:
If a federal agency proposes a project that will waste that money, I will not hesitate to call them out on it and put a stop to it,” …And I want everybody here to be on notice … if a local government does the same. I will call them out on it and use the full power of my office and our administration to stop it.”
This is a Necessary Position. It will make for Effective Govt., and Deny Critics the Ammunition to Attack the Stimulus Plan.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:15 amyoutube Says:
The Republic of Stupidity Says,
This member only comments about other people comments, nothingelse, i wonder why ?
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Because I’m better at repartee than telling jokes.
I’m a counter puncher.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:18 amsame as you gummich
February 21st, 2009 at 11:18 amhey Tundra!
where’s your buddy Squeegee?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:19 amOoo, he gotcha wit’ dat one, gum.
Yoo gonna take it?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:20 amwhere’s your buddy Squeegee?
He ended up switching jobs. I still chat with him a couple times a month though.
How have you been?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:20 amralph the wonder llama Says:
Why did it take me so long to see the real b-cup? I think I just crave meaningful discussion with reasonable conservatives so much, and there are so very few who show up here.
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I actually agree w/ you, ralph. I wish we DID have some serious conservatives to debate and not the typical troll freak show we get too much of the time (ixnay on the outubeay… he’s standing right over there…).
February 21st, 2009 at 11:21 amgummitch Says:
Because you’re dumb?
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No need to make that a question, gummitch.
You can state it as a fact.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:21 amWe all fell for it Ralph. There are others just as slimy who’s use of logical fallacy is well known but they are tolerated because they maintain a faux aura of respect until they find something to clamp on to, then they are unbearable.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:22 amTracy comes to mind.
backup Says:
– Rep. Heath Shuler (D-NC) defended his vote against the bill on Thursday, but added that he was “prepared to fight” for “Western North Carolina getting its fair share” of the stimulus money.
If his constituents are going to pay for it, I don’t think you can criticize him for trying to fight for his constituents to get the benefit they are paying for.
On the other hand, If Jindal refuses part of the money because he doesn’t think LA needs it, why would you criticize someone for electing not to spend money.
There is an effort here to go after anyone that opposed the stimulus. I get it. But, besides going after the officials that want to take credit for funds they voted against, (Not Jindal and not Shuler and others), it just comes off as sour grapes against those that disagreed with your position.
It’s a big country. It’s a lot of money. People feel different ways. It’s okay to disagree.
February 21st, 2009 at 10:23 am Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
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backup Says:
There has been a lot of calls here for those Republicans that oppose the stimulus to reject the money. That doesn’t make sense to me, because the federal treasury is supported in part by Jinal’s constituents, whether he rejects the money or not.
However, those that were calling for opponents to reject the money on principle, should applaud Jinal.
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well it’s finally come to this:
backup the concern troll
is recycling his own crap. but to his credit
he did manage to spell jindal’s last name
correctly this time.
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February 21st, 2009 at 11:23 amralph the wonder llama Says:
Yoo gonna take it?
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Call him a doody head, gummitch.
And tell him his feet stink too!
February 21st, 2009 at 11:23 amutube has done nothing but respond to other peoples posts…….
February 21st, 2009 at 11:24 ambackup Says:
That doesn’t make sense to me, because the federal treasury is supported in part by Jinal’s constituents, whether he rejects the money or not.
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Actually, isn’t Louisiana one of those failed, 3rd world Red welfare states?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:25 amGeez, Fred, you give Tracist more credit than I do. But I can see what you’re saying. He does go through phases where he seems lucid, almost reasonable.
I find they never last long, though. Maybe I just go after him too quickly.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:27 amThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Call him a doody head, gummitch.
And tell him his feet stink too!
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if you smeel feet than it must be yours, because i’m not there with you,
you are you own lol, go clean your stinky feet :)
Fred Says:
We all fell for it Ralph.
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Hey! I NEVER did… once.
Why do you think I kept pointing out the smoking jacket w/ the bow tie?
Sheesh? Who wears a smoking jacket/bow tie combo?
Talk about pretentious…
February 21st, 2009 at 11:27 amyoutube Says:
The Republic of Stupidity Says,
This member only comments about other people comments, nothingelse, i wonder why ?
Says the poster commenting on another person’s comments…
*shaking head*
February 21st, 2009 at 11:27 amyoutube Says:
if you smeel feet than it must be yours, because i’m not there with you,
you are you own lol, go clean your stinky feet :)
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Well, he’s got me on that one, boys…
February 21st, 2009 at 11:28 amHi youtube
February 21st, 2009 at 11:28 amI think you might be useful to my work….
Fred Says:
We all fell for it Ralph. There are others just as slimy who’s use of logical fallacy is well known but they are tolerated because they maintain a faux aura of respect until they find something to clamp on to, then they are unbearable.
Tracy comes to mind.
Speak for yourself. I have said the same thing about captainbackup from the beginning. It’s always some phony sophomoric game with him and a pretense of playing the middle ground. Lots of “what if” and shifting goalposts.
But, like I said, he thinks he’s being reasonable and more clear-thinking than us fanatics.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:29 ammary Says:
Says the poster commenting on another person’s comments…
*shaking head*
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Yeaaaaaah… what are you going to do?
Irony may not be dead, but it sure is on life-support.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:29 amdbadass Says:
Hi youtube
I think you might be useful to my work….
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Word, youtube?
If dbadass says he needs to take your temperature for research’s sake and starts putting vaseline on sumpin’ the size of a baseball bat, DON’T bend over.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:31 amthere is some people likes me today, there was none yesterday, meaning im not alone, what you do dbadass ?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:31 amI’m new to this site, but I thought commenting to what other people post and debating the issue at hand is the reason why anyone would waste their time posting. I guess some people think that is wrong. Go figure…
February 21st, 2009 at 11:31 ami’ve been, well, good enough, tundra… yourself?
i’ve been thinking that our ‘friend’ backup here was a reincarnation of squeegee… he denies it though…
so, you didn’t vote for obama, huh… why am i not surprised…
February 21st, 2009 at 11:31 amtoo bad…
don’t keep me hanging – did you actually vote ‘mccain/palin’?
… or was it just ‘palin’? … … ugh…
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
ralph the wonder llama Says:
Yoo gonna take it?
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Call him a doody head, gummitch.
And tell him his feet stink too!
It’s never a good idea to have a fight with a buffoon. If I win I look like a bully and if I lose . . . well, I guess that’s not really an option, is it?
Hey poopface! Your momma’s calling!
February 21st, 2009 at 11:31 amgummitch Says:
Speak for yourself. I have said the same thing about captainbackup from the beginning. It’s always some phony sophomoric game with him and a pretense of playing the middle ground. Lots of “what if” and shifting goalposts.
But, like I said, he thinks he’s being reasonable and more clear-thinking than us fanatics.
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High five, gummitch.
My Troll-dar™ has never failed me.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:32 amgummitch Says:
It’s never a good idea to have a fight with a buffoon. If I win I look like a bully and if I lose . . . well, I guess that’s not really an option, is it?
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Not w/ all of us watching, it isn’t…
February 21st, 2009 at 11:34 amNot me Ralph, but some here…..he hates me and has publicly declared me at public enemy #1. I feel very satisfied with that.
As for backup, I kinda got crossways with some of you guys over a year ago when I was railing agains Captain mantastic and was calling him a troll and several of you came to his rescue, defending him and I backed off…….
I don’t remember who exactly and it doesn’t matter. The truth always eventually comes out. Now everyone knows.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:34 amangels81 Says:
I’m new to this site, but I thought commenting to what other people post and debating the issue at hand is the reason why anyone would waste their time posting.
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Actually… I come here to be a chronic wise ass…
***TRoS hangs head in shame***
I know… I have a problem…
February 21st, 2009 at 11:35 amBond’s “I was against it before I was for it” maneuver at least has local media fooled. Just 24 hours after noting his opposition to the stimulus bill, local news this morning reported that Bond would be touring the state “pushing his plan to create 3,000 jobs in the state and build more than 700 affordable housing units.”
Fist you oppose the stimulus bill now you do want it, what made you change your mind ? Reality ?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:35 amif you smeel feet than it must be yours, because i’m not there with you,
you are you own lol, go clean your stinky feet :)
IT’S A LITTLE GIRL! … you guys be careful now!
February 21st, 2009 at 11:37 amyoutube Says:
Fist you oppose the stimulus bill now you do want it, what made you change your mind ? Reality ?
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Reality? Naaaah… more like greed.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:38 amIt is hypocritical to vote against a bill and then tout it merits to your constituants as if you were part of it. Republicans have proven themselves to be hypocrits.
That comment about the subject posted – you know the REASON for this blog, All you good Democrats should remember:
February 21st, 2009 at 11:40 amThose who roll around in Troll Crap (post to them – answer them – interact with them) end up smelling like s**t.
Mouth of the South Says:
That comment about the subject posted – you know the REASON for this blog, All you good Democrats should remember:
Those who roll around in Troll Crap (post to them – answer them – interact with them) end up smelling like s**t.
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Gee… that sure is righteous of ya. Thanks for sharing.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:40 amWord, youtube?
If dbadass says he needs to take your temperature for research’s sake and starts putting vaseline on sumpin’ the size of a baseball bat, DON’T bend over.
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February 21st, 2009 at 11:42 amThat isn’t the sort of research I do but whatever… I m more involved in social behavior in nonrealistic communities
Oh I’d of voted for just Palin if ya know what I’m sayin…..
JK, I voted for Ron Paul. The Mccain Palin ticket ended up getting so bad I couldn’t even look at them anymore. You now how I get with negativity so they shot themselves.
Things with me have been good, keeping busy.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:42 amangels81 Says:
I’m new to this site, but I thought commenting to what other people post and debating the issue at hand is the reason why anyone would waste their time posting. I guess some people think that is wrong. Go figure…
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February 21st, 2009 at 11:43 amjoe canwell: Your point is what?
February 21st, 2009 at 11:45 amCongressman Heath Shuler (D-NC) Hosts Recovery Package Workshop, Says He Is “Prepared To Fight” For “Fair Share.” The Citizen-Times, reported: “‘I didn’t vote for it, but that doesn’t mean that I don’t support Western North Carolina getting its fair share. We’re prepared to fight for that,’ Shuler told some 220 local officials gathered at the Asheville Renaissance Hotel for a workshop on how local governments can plan and apply for stimulus funding.”
Here a democrat congressman who voted against the stimulus bill, and now he says that he wants to fight for to get it, why? You weren’t thinking about state citizens when you voted against, now you do think about them, how nice of you :)
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dbadass Says:
That isn’t the sort of research I do but whatever… I m more involved in social behavior in nonrealistic communities
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nonrealistic communities ?
Tundra, … Ron Paul, huh… well you stuck to your ideals…
and to your principles… yes, the (R) ticket was ghastly…
take care.
think and do smart.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:50 amThat isn’t the sort of research I do but whatever… I m more involved in social behavior in nonrealistic communities
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nonrealistic communities ?
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February 21st, 2009 at 11:55 amThose in which the regular cues are absent. I read you as a potential less than alpha individual
Why doesn’t the governors of these 22 peoples states denounce them.
Why doesn’t the voters of these 22 peoples states demand impeachement of them.
This is exactly the problem with the republican party. Its all about the party and nothing about the people that the PARTY is suppose to represent.
You go figure.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:57 amdo not read me then, i didnt ask you to read, did i ?
February 21st, 2009 at 12:02 pmThe repug party only represents rich people. The only way they can get working stiffs to vote for them is lie, cheat and steal. Let the little guy worry about Democrats taking their guns, religion, gay rights and people of color taking their jobs and destroying their communities. Outside of getting their votes, they could care less.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:02 pmMy best friend and mentor, William Ay- … Tundra!
February 21st, 2009 at 12:08 pmdo not read me then, i didnt ask you to read, did i ?
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February 21st, 2009 at 12:11 pmNo but you tried to rise in a pecking order where your genomic and phenomic realities prevented you
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
No it’s not.
one on principle and the other on what?
people know your bs repugs
February 21st, 2009 at 12:12 pmangels81 Says:
joe canwell: Your point is what?
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old troll bait.
we’ve seen it before.
:)
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February 21st, 2009 at 12:13 pmHere’s an attempt at explaining it. Let’s say you live in a condo complex and at an association meeting there is a proposal to get new plumbing for the aging building. Many people want to plumb the building, but there are no funds to do it. The association will go into debt to do it. There are a few people in the building that don’t want to spend the money, because they don’t think it’s necessary. But, the association decides to go ahead.
Those people that voted against the new plumbing might go back to there families and say, ‘well, we did not want to spend the money for new plumbing, but if we are forced to pay for it, I’ll make sure our unit gets the new plumbing.
Some of those (Jindal) decide that they are so confident in the old plumbing that they tell the association to skip plumbing their unit, so the association can keep the money for other projects; that’s their prerogative and it actually benefits the association.
I agree that it is hypocritical for someone to try to take credit for an initiative they voted against. But, I don’t think that’s happening in the case of Shuler or Jindal.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:14 pmYou know, I didn’t expect — yes, I didn’t expect — the outrage from the bobbleheads over $75 billion in money for we the people that has a great chance of paying for itself, when these types haven’t put up much of any fight over hundreds of billions of dollars, if not over a trillion, in combined spending between TARP and the Federal Reserve on the banks in trouble. And guess what? The banks have shown no real appreciation for the money. They’ve created controversy, not restored wealth for the people.
Was is Citigroup who, after Obama’s mortgage plan unveiled, informed a man they were pressing ahead with their plans to foreclose on his house? I think it’s time to do away with personhood treatment of corporations.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:16 pmjoe cantwell.. So you come at me and call me a troll? You don’t know shit about me. I came here for an exchange of ideas and debate. What are you here for? If its just name calling, then stuff it.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:17 pmthis:
backup Says:
Here a democrat congressman who voted against the stimulus bill, and now he says that he wants to fight for to get it, why? You weren’t thinking about state citizens when you voted against, now you do think about them, how nice of you :)
Here’s an attempt at explaining it. Let’s say you live in a condo complex and at an association meeting there is a proposal to get new plumbing for the aging building. Many people want to plumb the building, but there are no funds to do it. The association will go into debt to do it. There are a few people in the building that don’t want to spend the money, because they don’t think it’s necessary. But, the association decides to go ahead.
Those people that voted against the new plumbing might go back to there families and say, ‘well, we did not want to spend the money for new plumbing, but if we are forced to pay for it, I’ll make sure our unit gets the new plumbing.
Some of those (Jindal) decide that they are so confident in the old plumbing that they tell the association to skip plumbing their unit, so the association can keep the money for other projects; that’s their prerogative and it actually benefits the association.
I agree that it is hypocritical for someone to try to take credit for an initiative they voted against. But, I don’t think that’s happening in the case of Shuler or Jindal.
makes about as much sense as this:
angels81 Says:
The repug party only represents rich people. The only way they can get working stiffs to vote for them is lie, cheat and steal. Let the little guy worry about Democrats taking their guns, religion, gay rights and people of color taking their jobs and destroying their communities. Outside of getting their votes, they could care less.
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both of these trolls are
desperate and are starting
to crack up.
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February 21st, 2009 at 12:19 pmangels81 Says:
joe cantwell.. So you come at me and call me a troll? You don’t know shit about me. I came here for an exchange of ideas and debate. What are you here for? If its just name calling, then stuff it.
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i’m going to allow backup to explain it to you:
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backup Says:
It’s a big country. It’s a lot of money. People feel different ways. It’s okay to disagree.
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does that help?
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February 21st, 2009 at 12:22 pmangels81, those guys here to fight, and call people different names, bcause they can not take some people comes in and take more attention, just ignore what they say, example, cantwell and dbadumbass :)
February 21st, 2009 at 12:23 pmyoutube Says:
angels81, those guys here to fight, and call people different names, bcause they can not take some people comes in and take more attention, just ignore what they say, example, cantwell and dbadumbass :)
You just can’t get good irony these days.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pmcantwell. Ok smart guy. tell us what the repugs plan is for the working stiffs in this country. More tax cuts for people who don’t need them? A bigger cut in capital gains tax? What is their solution besides the same old shit that has gotten us into this mess? Ron Paul says, we should do nothing at all. How is that working to help the people who have lost their jobs, medical and homes? Repugs don’t give a shit, their idea is if you can’t make it on your own, you don’t deserve it anyway.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:28 pmTundra Says:
Personally I think Bush was a fairly lousy president, doesn’t mean I am going to blindly follow Obama or believe everything he does is wrong either.
February 21st, 2009 at 11:06 am
Hi Tundra, long time no see. Other than the fact that I think Bush was a disastrous president, not just ‘fairly lousy’, I agree with the rest. I don’t believe that any of us who voted for Obama are going to follow him blindly, in fact he has already disappointed some of us regarding some issues.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:28 pmrepugs are going into the Recovery Package Plan with hopes of failure. They don’t have a viable alternative to reverse their f-ups.
the repug senate isn’t in syncs with it’s governing bodies or with their own damn constituents.
the repug club for idiots.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:30 pmYou’re so right gummitch…..
tubby comes in with guns a blazin and wonders why people throw rocks at him……
Point to one intelligent thing that you have posted tuby……we’ll wait.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:31 pmcantwell, I have no problem with what backup had to say. Its you who can’t seem to make a point without calling someone a name first, like that gives what you say some credence. It just shows how ignorant you really are.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pmcomments 109 and 118 go read fredy cougar
February 21st, 2009 at 12:35 pmwe have many concern trolls. You admit you are new. If you are genuine you should post your thoughts carefully until folks here know you. We have seen this type of concern for our behavior before and it is weak sauce.
As usual, when one of you come here and chastise us you wind up attacking us because we don’t take you seriously…..
read a while before you post or you run the risk of being identified with those who try to disrupt our threads and they think they are cute and smart when they are actually slimy and dishonest…..just an fyi.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:40 pmHeya Jane,
Hope all is well in the Schneider household. Overall I think things will work out well, it is a pretty exciting time.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:40 pmTundra Says:
Blah, blah, blah….
Were you born stupid or did your upbringing make you that way?
February 21st, 2009 at 12:40 pmIf you consider those to be intelligent comments then we have unearthed the problem…..
February 21st, 2009 at 12:43 pmlubetube, we are here to fight, AND YOU LOSE EVERY POST!
February 21st, 2009 at 12:44 pmlets fight then if you think you know much, lets see
February 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pmNice try Fred, but don’t treat me like a child. I try not to call people names that I don’t agree with, and would hope to get the same in return. I commented on the fact that some people were posting about commenting to what other posters posted. To be called a concern troll by someone is really pretty stupid, for asking a question. I will continue to post my views when and if I feel like it.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:47 pmangels81 Says:
cantwell, I have no problem with what backup had to say. Its you who can’t seem to make a point without calling someone a name first, like that gives what you say some credence. It just shows how ignorant you really are.
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let me turn you over to our friend backup again:
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backup Says:
I understand the point that some behaviors should just not be condoned.
But, I also believe that it is easy to call someone an idiot, or stupid, or a racist, or a bigot. I just don’t think that does much to change the individual’s mindset.
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does that help?
no? well here’s backup’s friend
and “southern strategist” bert convy:
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BERT CONVY Says:
GAD! The Rapist and Chief and Her Thighness bought a mansion with the scam they did with the Secret Service after they carpetbagged their way into New York. We are actually paying for their palace and you demulous-porkulous-stimulus libby-loons are still throwing the mother of all hissy-fits about GW? Pull them panties out of that bunch and get over it.
*Yippie-Ki-Yay Democrappers
*Bert
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feel better now, angel?
:)
February 21st, 2009 at 12:47 pmangels81
okie dokie then little fella
February 21st, 2009 at 12:51 pmwhaaa???
i took angels81 to be up front… give it a while, at least…
i do have a question: is that moniker redundant?
February 21st, 2009 at 12:52 pmcantwell, that was cute, but I don’t see what that has anything to do with me. And by the way, I feel just fine.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:53 pmHope all is well in the Schneider household.
Tundra, not too bad, thanks for asking. At least we’re both still employed, so it could be worse. Hope all’s well with you. Say hi to my old buddy squeegeeboo.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:53 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
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youtube Says:
angels81, those guys here to fight, and call people different names, bcause they can not take some people comes in and take more attention, just ignore what they say, example, cantwell and dbadumbass :)
ROTFL! Like YOU have SOMETHING TO SAY! Your BIG ARGUMENT last NIGHT is that we shouldn’t TRY TO ENFORCE LAWS if we SUSPECT someone might be able to beat the charge!! ROTFL! What *ADULT* insight! Go back to your middle eastern heaven and get the f**k out of this civilized country. Will you? You ignorant, nearly illiterate hillbilly!
i”m waiting you other topic about prosecuting the BUSH, come and comment about you idiot loser
February 21st, 2009 at 12:55 pmI kinda did too Katy but see my post at 141.. I tried to give the person an out and got slapped in the face for it…..see their response at 147
February 21st, 2009 at 12:57 pmyoutube Says:
Here a democrat congressman
If you are not a troll, perhaps you can get it right. It is a Democratic congressman, not Democrat congressman. But, then, you knew that, didn’t you.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:58 pmangels81 Says:
cantwell, that was cute, but I don’t see what that has anything to do with me. And by the way, I feel just fine.
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angels81 Says:
I’m new to this site, but I thought commenting to what other people post and debating the issue at hand is the reason why anyone would waste their time posting. I guess some people think that is wrong. Go figure…
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and around and around
she goes.
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February 21st, 2009 at 12:58 pmand, fwiw, i read this comment:
angels81 Says:
I’m new to this site, but I thought commenting to what other people post…
to be in reference to this one:
youtube Says:
This member only comments about other people comments, nothingelse, i wonder why ?
correct me if i’m wrong…
February 21st, 2009 at 12:58 pmone needs to be more specific at times…
republicans hate facts Says:
ROTFL! Like YOU have SOMETHING TO SAY! Your BIG ARGUMENT last NIGHT is that we shouldn’t TRY TO ENFORCE LAWS if we SUSPECT someone might be able to beat the charge!! ROTFL! What *ADULT* insight! Go back to your middle eastern heaven and get the f**k out of this civilized country. Will you? You ignorant, nearly illiterate hillbilly!
youtube, I think RHF likes you. He said “nearly illiterate”. He must be feeling a little mellow.
February 21st, 2009 at 12:58 pmjoe cantwell Says:
angels81 Says:
cantwell, I have no problem with what backup had to say. Its you who can’t seem to make a point without calling someone a name first, like that gives what you say some credence. It just shows how ignorant you really are.
Now Joe, you know that calling someone ignorant isn’t the same as calling them stupid. Calling someone ignorant is just an observation, calling them stupid is name calling.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:02 pmdont get between us gummitch, i really wanna smash this junk, or whatever he is, or maybe he lives in trailer park or something, his language is like a people who lives on the street and ask for a dime to get drug or weed
February 21st, 2009 at 1:02 pmFred I’m not trying to get into a pissing match with anyone. I have posted my opinions about this issue, and I’m not really interested in name calling. I have no problem with people attacking my point of view on any given issue, but when someone starts off by calling me a troll I take offense. Also, if you know anything about the bike world, it shouldn’t be hard to figure out my moniker.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:03 pmjoe. you’re trying to tie me to a poster from a different thread that I was never even on. I’ve never engaged with Convy. The post that you reproduce from Convy, is repugnant, I agree. But, how am I responsible for his comments, especially when he’s making them on a thread I was never on?
To be kind, I’m not seeing it. Please explain what you mean.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:04 pmWhat’s wrong with people that live in trailer parks? There are plenty of single parents, low income workers who reside in them.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:05 pmyou didn’t get slapped, fred… he just took it wrong and got defensive…
don’t get mad here, but, i was thinking angels was acting kinda like you when you first arrived… heh.
you did good @141…
February 21st, 2009 at 1:06 pmtundra thats offended to you ? get a second job then
February 21st, 2009 at 1:07 pmangels81, I believe that if you were honest that I was just trying to help you out…..it’s your game so play through.
the one great thing about life is that you always get a chanced to start fresh if you want to.
If you’re not willing to understand how it can happen then I’d be surprised to find out that you were really interested in what anyone else has to say…..
If you are easily offended, as most bikers are, then this probably isn’t the place for you.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:09 pmI personally don’t live in one, however I don’t have a problem with anyone that does. While you may prefer that they live in government subsidized housing, some of them live where they can afford and don’t take handouts.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:10 pmyoutube Says:
angels81, those guys here to fight, and call people different names, bcause they can not take some people comes in and take more attention, just ignore what they say, example, cantwell and dbadumbass :)
youtube Says:
dont get between us gummitch, i really wanna smash this junk, or whatever he is, or maybe he lives in trailer park or something, his language is like a people who lives on the street and ask for a dime to get drug or weed
This troll really doesn’t get the word “irony” does he. I think they left that word out of the Republicant’s dictionary along with “hypocrite”.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:10 pmangels81 Says:
… Also, if you know anything about the bike world, it shouldn’t be hard to figure out my moniker.
that’s why i asked if it was redundant, kinda…
we can always use more angels though…
February 21st, 2009 at 1:11 pmoh, well, BETTER angels, as it goes…
Fair enough Katy…..we can’t ever get so old that we can’t learn from our mistakes….I get the irony too. Thanks for sticking with me.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:12 pmto all, please excuse my grammar and spelling in 170, I am a little hungover…
February 21st, 2009 at 1:13 pmbackup Says:
joe. you’re trying to tie me to a poster from a different thread that I was never even on. I’ve never engaged with Convy. The post that you reproduce from Convy, is repugnant, I agree. But, how am I responsible for his comments, especially when he’s making them on a thread I was never on?
To be kind, I’m not seeing it. Please explain what you mean.
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oh backup,
how often you have tied us
to the words of others.
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you missed my comment on the other thread, didn’t you?
or perhaps you just didn’t want to respond to something
that reveals your real purpose here, eh?
allow me to reprint it for you:
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joe cantwell Says:
backup Says:
I understand the point that some behaviors should just not be condoned.
But, I also believe that it is easy to call someone an idiot, or stupid, or a racist, or a bigot. I just don’t think that does much to change the individual’s mindset.
Maybe isolating someone with wrong views works and is the answer for society.
But, much like our prison system, maybe it is just any easy short term solution that doesn’t address the root of the problems. Problems that will persist, until we address them with more difficult dialogue.
Anyways, I know I’m outnumbered. So, I’ll let it go.
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it isn’t numbers backup (see the post on am radio).
we’ve seen “compassionate conservatism”.
we’ve had eight years of a “uniter not a divider”.
your soft soap doesn’t sell because it’s the same
product with a different label. and spare us your bogus
piety about easy name calling. the man in the above picture
(rush limbaugh, you remember him?) has been name calling for
over twenty years and made millions off of it. without protest much less
“difficult dialogue” (who writes your material?) from the likes
of you.
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want more?
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February 21st, 2009 at 1:15 pmnot a problem… most times… :-)
February 21st, 2009 at 1:15 pmCome on Fred, I’ve been reading the comments on this thread all morning. There is plenty of personal attacks going on and I see people responding in kind. Like I said, attack me personally by calling me a troll, and I will respond in kind. People want to talk about issues I can do that too. I also see you don’t much about bikers.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:17 pmFred Says:
to all, please excuse my grammar and spelling in 170, I am a little hungover…
Been out drinking with barfly, I see.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:18 pmSorry, should have said, I also see you don’t know much about bikers.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:19 pmFred, we have a saying in the club I run with… Give respect, get respect. Its a good rule to live by.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:25 pmI am done explaining things to you angels, post something to talk about if you have anything.
You can’t change things by coming in here on a sat morning and acting like everyone hates you and continuing to beat the drum……
February 21st, 2009 at 1:26 pmgummitch Says:
Fred Says:
to all, please excuse my grammar and spelling in 170, I am a little hungover…
Been out drinking with barfly, I see.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:18 pm
gummitch, you took the words right out of my brain. :D
February 21st, 2009 at 1:31 pm22 repug lawmakers who voted against the stimulus bill say they will now take the money, while at the same time saying that the plan is bad and will ruin the country. How can anyone take these people seriously when they have done nothing but obstruct and have no ideas, but the same old, more tax breaks for the rich and then everything will be alright meme.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:37 pmyoutube Says:
tundra thats offended to you ? get a second job then
In your case, that “second job” would be remedial English classes.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:50 pmAnd please, can you wingnuts knock off the “second job” talking point? The last time we checked, there’s a despicable tax break on the books for companies that send first jobs overseas.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:52 pmDang, y’all – here I am missin some sweet saturday thread,
wish I was going to be right here all day – Mssrs Tundra and youtube clearly need a slightly overweight, grey-haired middle-aged dude like me TO MAKE OUT WITH.
Ralph and Joe and Molly and Tros and Fred and OG and Katy and Bilbo and Zooey and Wayne and Jane and Shayne and Gum and Barfly and err’body who rocks it for the good guys – Big’ol Frosty Cheers unto ye.
Can’t wait to be back in this lovely trench slingin’ it with you asap – makes my day every single time.
Be awesome, be happy, and big wet kisses from your very best faux-gay liberofascisticommie pal, me.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:58 pmsame goes for MCWars MCMetal and all them other Lefty MC’s in the hizz.
February 21st, 2009 at 1:59 pmREPUBLICANS TORPEDOING AMERICA
Republicans are practicing seditious DEMAGOGUERY and insurrectionary OBSTRUCTIONISM intended to destabilize our economy for purposes of political exploitation.
Republicans AREN’T making a sincere effort to STOP the bleeding THEIR incompetent leadership and failed policies created. Instead, they’re using conflicting economic theories as a smokescreen to conceal their subversive agenda, which is to cause President Obama and America to fail so they can blame Democrats for the consequences of THEIR calamitous mismanagement.
Republicans are preposterously professing that THEIR disgraceful political WHORING had nothing to do with the banking, real estate, stock market and employment catastrophes that resulted.
Republicans are trying to hamstring Democrats to prevent them from undoing the damage caused by a Republican presidency.
Republicans are offering controversial arguments they know no one can agree on to disrupt and prevent progressive change. They’d rather divide America and create political gridlock than endure the political consequences of effective Democratic governance. That’s how they gained power and that’s how they’re trying to retain it.
Republicans are not the LOYAL OPPOSITION. They are the ENEMY WITHIN whose personal priorities have eroded their moral and ethical standards to the point that treachery and betrayal are their preferred modus operandi.
It’s one thing to advocate their conservative beliefs; it’s another thing entirely to willfully sabotage America’s government because a successful Democratic presidency would not be vulnerable to the fears and hatreds that have produced and sustained the radical Republican corporatism and extremism that have poisoned and crippled America.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:25 pmjoe. I looked at your post in around #176. I can honestly say I have no idea what you are talking about.
February 21st, 2009 at 2:36 pmRemember when George Bush said having 3 jobs to keep food on the table was ‘uniquely American’ and was so proud to be able to say that?
He can screw off and take the same lame-o, American-haters with him!
February 21st, 2009 at 2:37 pmbackup Says:
joe. I looked at your post in around #176. I can honestly say I have no idea what you are talking about.
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check out this link.
it’s about a fellow very much like you.
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February 21st, 2009 at 2:42 pmjoe. anything is possible. keep working on it.
February 21st, 2009 at 3:44 pmThat’s because they are worse than if they had simply voted for it.
February 21st, 2009 at 5:12 pmYeah, you’d think they would have had enough of wreaking havoc and devastation while they were in charge of the country.
February 21st, 2009 at 5:15 pmbackup Says:
joe. anything is possible. keep working on it.
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backup speaks
trollese fluently.
:)
btw, that’s backup on lead guitar.
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February 21st, 2009 at 5:22 pmjoe. That’s not really me on guitar, but I do play in a band. Check out my myspace:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=58448593
February 21st, 2009 at 5:45 pmRepubliCons, two-faced, liars, traitors, and thieves!
February 21st, 2009 at 6:03 pmChristopher Bond from MO was the first. And his state was the first shovel ready project to profit on day one. He voted against it only hours before, then went to the project and bragged about the jobs it would bring and lied about his part in bringing it about.
I hope those people in my former home state remember this bit of hypocritical theater and lying come vote time. Missouri is an ultra conservative state. I hope it’s people are not stupid too. Although Ashcroft was from there. I am still doing a mea culpa for that.
February 21st, 2009 at 9:51 pmI hate making fun of someone’s name, but Mike Crapo? Really?
February 22nd, 2009 at 7:54 pmTundra, members of Congress can’t decide whether to accept the bailout bill. That’s up to the governments of their respective states. And it’s one more reason that these representatives’ statements are so cynical and hypocritical: They are in the best of all possible worlds. They have no responsibility for whether the bill succeeds. At the same time, they “brought home the bacon” for their constituents.
February 24th, 2009 at 8:34 am