Colorado state senator compares being gay to committing murder.
Colorado state senator compares being gay to committing murder.
On the floor of the Colorado state senate on Monday, Republican Sen. Scott Renfroe equated “homosexuality as a sin with murder” during a debate on a bill that would allow same-sex partners of state employees to be covered by health care benefits. “I’m not saying this (homosexuality) is the only sin that’s out there,” said Renfroe. “We have murder. We have all sorts of sin. We have adultery. And we don’t make laws making those legal, and we would never think to make murder legal.” ProgressNow Colorado posted the audio:
Joe Solmonese, president of the Human Rights Campaign (HRC), said in a statement that Renfroe’s comments were “outrageously offensive” and should “warrant condemnation by all fair-minded people and should be ignored by the Colorado legislature as they move forward in passing overdue protections to state workers.” You can tell Renfroe what you think of his comments here.
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’spose he goes to that ted haggard church?
February 25th, 2009 at 1:53 pmThe ignorance and homophobia, IT BURNS!!!!!!!!!!
February 25th, 2009 at 1:53 pmthis guy is a sociopath with heavily fascist tendencies.
February 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pmRenfroe needs to re-read the Constitution of the United States and how it calls for a separation of church and state. We don’t make murder illegal because it’s a sin. As for adultery…well, I’m not sure why it’s illegal.
February 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm.
Sen. Scott Renfroe (R) opposes this legislation due to it not being “Christian” enough…
… Separation clause means nothing to him.
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February 25th, 2009 at 1:56 pmWith all the threads about gays in recent days, there has been a noticeable absence of Daryll.
February 25th, 2009 at 1:57 pm.
Did Sen. Scott Renfroe (R) have an elastic waste band in his cotton underwear as he quoted Leviticus?
Does Sen. Scott Renfroe (R) touch his wife when she menstruates?
S I N N E R!!!
Let’s deny his Rights…
… K?
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February 25th, 2009 at 1:58 pmI don’t believe that adultery is criminalized in Colorado. Neither is homosexuality. Which means that all pro/anti-gay arguments aside, this person has no idea whatsoever what the laws are in the state that he’s a legislator for.
I mean, you’d have to be just really, really stupid to say that, aside from being a bigot.
February 25th, 2009 at 1:58 pmRepublican Sen. Scott Renfroe is a loony toon, this is total crazy talk.
How do insane people get elected?
Oh, forgot, the mentally deficient republicans vote for them…my bad.
February 25th, 2009 at 1:59 pmI’ll bet everything that I own that this guy has first-hand(hee-hee)knowledge of homosexual behavior. Anyone who is this belligerent against homosexual behavior has something to hide.
February 25th, 2009 at 1:59 pmHe’s at the Carnival Uncle Ho. Shaking off some devil’s or something like that.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:00 pmidle crank Says:
Renfroe needs to re-read the Constitution of the United States and how it calls for a separation of church and state.
February 25th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
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Actually, it doesn’t. The phrase “separation of church and state” comes from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 that has been cited by the Supreme Court in subsequent decisions interpreting the Establishment Clause and the First Amendment. But it does not actually appear in the Constitution.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:00 pmMurder is not illegal because it’s a sin. Murder is illegal because it is harmful to society to allow people to go around killing each other with impunity. It has nothing whatsoever to do with religion.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:00 pm“We have murder. We have all sorts of sin. We have adultery. And we don’t make laws making those legal, and we would never think to make murder legal.”
And yet, we’ve made electing stupid people legal. That has to qualify as more than a sin; all the way to an abomination, perhaps.
Maybe the Colorado state senate floor should install a trapdoor…
February 25th, 2009 at 2:01 pm.
R E M E M B E R:
Sen. Scott Renfroe (R) stated that all sins are equal…
… This means his wearing elastic in his cotton underwear competes with murder!
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February 25th, 2009 at 2:01 pmCue Darlyy to agree wholeheartedly with this malmisdisinformed clown.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:01 pmOK… I call shenanigans on this one.
We need someone in the gay community in Colorado to tail this guy and catch him violating some other law in Leviticus, such as eating shellfish or wearing clothing made from mixed fibers.
Leviticus is not a cafeteria where one can choose a verse to beat up gays and yet ignore the other “abominations” prohibited therein.
If Renfroe wants a face-off over scripture, I am ready and waiting.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pmjpopphan Says:
We need someone in the gay community in Colorado to tail this guy and catch him violating some other law in Leviticus, such as eating shellfish or wearing clothing made from mixed fibers.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
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I wonder if he’s ever worked on a Saturday. That’s not just some minor-league Leviticus fine-print offense, that’s a Ten Commandments “Thou Shalt Not” violation, on par with murder and adultery.
I should hope that Sen. Renfroe has introduced legislation banning the sinful practice of working on the weekend.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:06 pmRemember when the Republican’t Party went all apeshit crazy when MoveOn.org referred to General Petraeus as “General Betray Us”? They demanded that the chamber vote to condemn Move On for making such a dangerous comment. Maybe the Democratic majority needs to smack down the belligerent Senator from Colorado in similar fashion. Now THAT would be a C-Span moment for the old DVR.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:09 pm#12 – hussein toasterhead Says:
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“Actually, it doesn’t. The phrase “separation of church and state” comes from a letter written by Thomas Jefferson in 1802 that has been cited by the Supreme Court in subsequent decisions interpreting the Establishment Clause and the First Amendment. But it does not actually appear in the Constitution.”
February 25th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Very true. The exact text of the letter is as follows:
“Gentlemen
The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.
Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.
I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.
Th Jefferson
Jan. 1. 1802.”
http://www.loc.gov/loc/lcib/9806/danpre.html
February 25th, 2009 at 2:09 pmYes we know in Colorado when a person wants to hide in the closet they yell about the gays as Rev. Haggard did no once but twice. As for the Republican Religious Moral Valuse of those great citizens of Colorado we only need remember the young lady and the basketball player. These people hold themselves up above others but are worse then anyone. I look for Sen. Renfroe to get caught in the men’s room looking for sex next he most be lonely with Senator Craig gone.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:09 pm“..and we would never think to make murder legal..”
Uhhh, isn’t that going to get him in trouble with the religious bigots he obviously speaks for and whose approval he craves?
I mean, don’t those hardcore nutjobs believe abortion is murder? And abortion is legal – for now, anyways.
So Renfroe (Clown-CO) gets a “thumbs up” from the Dobson Dickheads and then crashes and burns. Obviously difficult to keep your hate and ignorance spewing consistent.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:13 pmBigotry is not just stupidity…it is a crime.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:13 pmWhy stop with “gay marriage”? Why not outlaw work on the Sabbath (not the fake Sunday Sabbath, but the Friday sundown to Saturday sundown one)? Why not outlaw baptism of infants, which has no basis in Scripture? Why not outlaw use of grape juice rather than wine in the Eucharist? Why not fine or otherwise punish people for not “praying continuously”? Why not punish people for dishonoring their parents? Why not punish people for coveting? Why not punish people for not loving God with all their heart? Why not imprison people who do not tithe? Why not have the government demand that all the denominations of Christianity unite? Why not demand that a man marry the widow of his deceased brother? Why not pass laws to prohibit the consumption of shellfish, selling cloth of two materials, and not giving your first born to the church?
February 25th, 2009 at 2:16 pmThe authorities might want to investigate Renfroe to find out where he buried his gay lovers.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:17 pmRenfroe was the crazy bug eater in the old Bela Lugosi Dracula movie.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:18 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
Why stop with “gay marriage”?
February 25th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
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And we need to repeal the Thirteenth Amendment, since slavery is not just allowed under the Old Testament, it’s encouraged.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pm“And we don’t make laws making those legal, and we would never think to make murder legal.”
The Iraqi civilian population, particularly the blackwater victims, will be grateful to get this newsflash…
..the ones that are left, that is.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pmHoly shi*, did he really say that?
I had a great job offer in Denver many years ago. I’m sure glad I didn’t take it.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:19 pmRenfroe equated gay and lesbian people with murderers and quoted the Book of Leviticus suggesting that gay people should be put to death. He also said that women were created to be “helpers” for men, quoting the Book of Genesis.
Uh oh. I don’t think Rachel is going to like that!
February 25th, 2009 at 2:22 pm26. leekinny Says: Renfroe was the crazy bug eater in the old Bela Lugosi Dracula movie.
Renfroe, Renfield, a lunatic by any other name….
February 25th, 2009 at 2:22 pmWhen I hear loony wingnuts spew their religious hate like this, it reminds me of Christopher Hitchens title to his book “god is not Great”. Kind of sums up how I feel about nuts like this.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:22 pmWhat’s interesting to me is the lack of pretense that’s now finally coming to the fore. It’s now just the pure ugliness that’s usually hidden behind their “love the sinner, hate the sin” posturing. This is the kind of straight up hate that will immediately marginalize these repulsive people and then drive them back into their caves and compounds. Good enough.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:22 pmOf the list of God’s Big 10 Sins, only murder and stealing are civil crimes. Well, unless you take into account that whole lying [under oath] thing. Yes, I’m talking to you, Gonzo!
As for trying to roll sex outside of marriage into the sin of adultery, that would include just thinking about someone other than your spouse. And if a sin is a sin is a sin…
I’m guessing this is kinda what Jesus was getting at with his whole “let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
See? All those years of Sunday School as a kid sure are paying off today!
PEACE
February 25th, 2009 at 2:23 pmSome highlights of Renfroes career to date…
“During the 2007 legislative session, Renfroe fulfilled a campaign promise to sponsor legislation banning almost all abortions and redefining pregnancy in state law to begin at conception.[23][24] After intense lobbying by both pro-life and pro-choice groups,[25][26] the measure was defeated along party lines in the Senate Judiciary Committee.[27][28]”
“Renfroe was among Republican legislators who opposed revising statewide sex education standards to include information about birth control and sexually transmitted diseases; he unsuccessfully attempted to amend the legislation to exempt school districts within Weld County.[33] Renfroe also opposed measures to allow members of homosexual couples to adopt each other’s children,[34] and to name John Denver’s “Rocky Mountain High” one of Colorado’s state songs.[35]”
From Wikipedia.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pmIt often appears to me that many Christians have replaced God with an idol: the Bible. They don’t look for the spiritual themes and consistencies to better their own lives and relationship with God. They look for weapons to defeat those who don’t agree with their dogma and they worship the power of isolated words stripped of their spiritual context.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pmCapital gains need to be tithed as well!
February 25th, 2009 at 2:25 pmquoted for truth.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:25 pmI’m gonna say it like I’ve said it many times before: WHERE IN HELL DO THEY FIND THESE F*(kING CRAZY FOLKS?!
February 25th, 2009 at 2:25 pmTHIS IS SO WRONG THAT THE CITIZENS OF COLORADO NEED TO HAVE THIS MAN FIRED IMMEDIATELY! SICK!
…to name John Denver’s “Rocky Mountain High” one of Colorado’s state songs.
Now that’s a sin.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:26 pmthey say scott’s
the next bobby jindal.
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February 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pmThis guy reminds me of McCan’t; standing in his own feces while proclaiming loudly that something stinks.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:27 pmjoe cantwell Says:
they say scott’s
the next bobby jindal.
Joe, after last night’s performance, I’m guessing the GOOP is calling the next Bobbies off the bench now.
PEACE
February 25th, 2009 at 2:29 pmIf this guy had his way, we would all be on our knees worshiping whichever god was in vogue at the time. Is this what the repug party has become? A bunch of religious nuts trying to make law for the rest of us? I thank their god that there is not a lot of them.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:30 pmThanks for sharing that perspective, PLC.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:30 pmI sometimes have to work with a person who, when confronted with a challenging situation, will have to go read the bible and pray out loud. In essence, refuses to deal with the situation. This person requires evil to justify her perpetual struggle with day to day life, and if she can’t find evil, will fabricate it.
Hmmm, I’d say some of these Western state legislator cowboys have some brokeback issues of their own. That depth of antipathy for other people’s love lives is mighty perverted. Thanks to Think Progress for holding these nasty numbskulls to account.
The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
February 25th, 2009 at 2:31 pmso the phrase separation of church and state might not appear in the constitution but this phrase does.
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”
a law against gay marriage would absolutely be a law respecting the establishment of religion. a prerequisite for supporting the law would be that you think homosexuality is a sin.
also the separation of church and state has been embraced by the supreme court thus making it part of the law of the land.
i don’t understand the point that is being made by saying the separation of church and state is not in the constitution when all the textual support for the idea is.
no laws respecting the establishment of religion.
no doubt some will say this is not a law establishing religion thus it is not respecting the establishment, but one cannot enforce this law without the establishment of religious beliefs as law. thereby making it unconstitutional.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:32 pmYa know, the same verse in Revelations that says the effeminate (?homo?) shall not enter the new Jerusalem also identifies that adulterers won’t enter.
Wonder why the repubs forget that inconvenient truth ?
February 25th, 2009 at 2:32 pmhanshiro said
Renfroe, Renfield, a lunatic by any other name….
Darn-it. I bet your’re right. When I heard his name the bug-eyed little man with the creepy laugh jumped into my brain. That image is still appropriate.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pmspecific to the Senator’s argument, there are scads of laws on the books on how to handle adultery and when a marriage breaks up.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:33 pmSomehow, some way, I just can’t bring myself to believe these politicians when they say, in all manner of ways, that they are against abortion. Their words don’t ring true. That is why, dear Rs, we like our new president. He speaks true and he speaks with sincerity. “Hypocrisy” appears only in Republican reference manuals.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:37 pmSo is Colorado full of closet cases?
Seems like it, to me.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pm32. angels81 Says: When I hear loony wingnuts spew their religious hate like this, it reminds me of Christopher Hitchens title to his book “god is not Great”.
If God is all powerful, why does he rely on closet cases, rabid abusers, small animal killers and ped0philes to carry his message?
Couldn’t he at least do something unambiguous like writing “KNOCK OFF THE BICKERING IN MY NAME!” in stars across the night sky? Then add, “P.S., TEE VEE EVANGELISTS ARE FRAUDS…ALL OF ‘EM”
“P.S.S., IT’S NOT 42, IT’S ‘MARSUPIAL.’”
February 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pmMy God doesn’t care if I’m gay.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:39 pmI could go on and on and on about this idiot’s remarks, his apparent support that anything to be interpreted as a “sin” in the minds of the rabid right should be illegal, and his somewhat sick obsession with sex (and his apparent resentment that other people are getting some). But that has been covered many, many times in similar threads here at TP.
A larger picture I see here is that universal health care would make this issue completely moot. It wouldn’t matter if you were gay or straight — you can get health care. It wouldn’t matter if you were single, married, or partnered — you can get health care. It wouldn’t matter if you had a job or not — you can get health care. And it wouldn’t matter if you had pre-existing conditions — you can get health care.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that people stay in jobs they hate because of the health care issue. Or they stay in bad marriages because of the health care issue. Or they have to fight to be considered a couple with the person they have committed themselves to for life because of the health care issue.
Universal health care can’t come soon enough.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:41 pmIs it ok to put Republicans in camps now? Please? can we at least sterilize them?
February 25th, 2009 at 2:46 pmMy God considers bigotry and judgment sins.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:47 pmWho the hell elects these morons?
February 25th, 2009 at 2:49 pmMy initial response was to recall that almost everyone in recent history who has been so vocal about the “evils” of homosexuality, turns out to have been hiding in a closet. Look! Here comes Ted Haggard with a Bible!
February 25th, 2009 at 2:49 pmhanshiro Says:
“P.S.S., IT’S NOT 42, IT’S ‘MARSUPIAL.’”
February 25th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
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BLASPHEMY!
February 25th, 2009 at 2:53 pm.
They’re called Bible humpers for a reason…
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February 25th, 2009 at 2:54 pm62. hussein toasterhead Says: BLASPHEMY!
Heh…
February 25th, 2009 at 3:03 pmC’mon people. It’s not what you think! Republicans condone murder all the time. They just call it “war”. They are all about murdering. It’s what they do. Taken into this context, homosexuality is not so bad, now, is it?
February 25th, 2009 at 3:11 pmhanshiro Says:
62. hussein toasterhead Says: BLASPHEMY!
Heh…
February 25th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
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On second thought, Douglas Adams would probably have been quite tickled by that sort of miracle. The atheist part of him not so much, but certainly the humorist.
February 25th, 2009 at 3:15 pmThe real shameful sin is that his mamma didn’t swallow.
Will idiots like Renfroe ever come to realized how their brand of Christianity only makes real Christians question their faith – and turns many people away from religion altogether?
February 25th, 2009 at 3:18 pm@ 37
It can’t, a cap gain is not an edible substance. In no one scripture are tithes monetary in nature. If people didn’t farm back then, they bartered with people who did in order to meet their 10%. I once raised this issue with a pastor, and was told “times have changed, we no longer farm our own food” or “we are no longer a bartering society”.
But times sure haven’t changed where the definition of marriage is concerned, among others.
February 25th, 2009 at 3:33 pmHe said this on the floor of the Colorado senate. I think we need some regulation of government officials so that whether or not they are fit for office can be challenged when they engage in blatant lunacy and/or quackery. This is just nuts. They aren’t getting paid to campaign with their personal bigotry.
February 25th, 2009 at 3:36 pmKeith H. Says:
My God doesn’t care if I’m gay.
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What a coincidence, my God doesn’t care either! How can you not love a loving God?
February 25th, 2009 at 3:46 pmColorado is becoming more progressive with each election. It’s becoming more diverse, it’s cities more progressive, and Renfroe’s days are numbered. With that kind of venomous spew, he’ll be joining the ranks of PA’s Rick Santorum.
February 25th, 2009 at 3:51 pmWhere does the Republic party dig up these ignorant pathetic fools? Is there a factory turning them out? Oh, I forget, maybe Liberty University?
February 25th, 2009 at 3:56 pmThere was a very violent murder this past summer of a transgender girl in Greeley. I wonder if he considers that a sin.
Everyone needs to contact him and remind him of the separation of church and state and that he is supposed to represent everyone in his district.
I guess we can’t expect anything different from a concrete contractor.
Cap: 303-866-4451
February 25th, 2009 at 4:04 pmE-mail: scott.renfroe.senate@state.co.us
I wish I could find my Ray Bradbury “Fahrenheit 451″ as there is a great passage I would quote…it is a discussion about the bible, due to Monique “stealing” a copy and then running it over to show his friend, Faber…
Faber then talked about Jesus of the bible in literal text being different than the Jesus his contemporaries have elevated…he said something about Jesus being turned in to a big sugary “candy cane” used to sell goods and services that every good christian must have…I shudder at the taboo of going to one of THEIR web sites and discovering a grim reality
February 25th, 2009 at 4:15 pmsales of “gay-be-gone” or gay-off” sprays, guns, etc.
Jesus candy cane of the christian nation.
misshusseinmolly is right, If we had what every other developed country in the world has and two-thirds of Americans want—-universal healthcare—-then this question of who gets healthcare and who doesn’t never comes up.
We don’t choose our sexual orientation. Anyone who is self-aware and honest knows this.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:47 pmActually, it doesn’t.
Actually, by prohibiting religious tests for public office, the Constitution does itself establish the principle of separation between church and state.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:04 pm“Utah State Sen. Chris Buttars (R) compares Gays To Alcoholics, Terrorists: ‘They’re The Greatest Threat To America’”
“Republican Sen. Scott Renfroe compares being gay to committing murder.”
“When Asked Whether He Would ‘Consider’ Gay Civil Unions, GOP leader Michael Steele Replies, ‘What Are You, Crazy?’”
Knowing as we all do now that these GOP minions always act as robots to what their masters say to do, these patterns are easily recognized. They are clearly letting open the floodgates and using the known loonies in the party to speak freely what is always just under the surface in a coordinated press toward this subject. Put this together with the Republican ghoul Sen. Jim Bunning conjecturing as to the imminent death of Justice Ginsburg (he wishfully gives her 9 months). They have said many times they intend to attempt to subvert our republic into a “theocracy” using the Supreme Court. They will not admit to the end-goal of their agenda regarding gay people, which is to make them criminals, round them up and prosecute them. This would be followed shortly by frustration on the part of the law-enforcement because they soon would discover that efforts to “rehabilitate” are met with failure. They would conclude that gays are merely rebellious and stubbornly recidivist. Never to admit to a wrong-headed policy, worse and worse penalties would be applied culminating in death sentences, a suggestion that has been made by more than one of these bigots in various legislatures. Make no mistake, this is not far-fetched. It is a consistent goal they have had for decades. These are NOT isolated crazies spouting off. This is the party speaking clearly as one about a main objective.
February 25th, 2009 at 7:57 pmIim always amazed when I see or hear so-called “christians” ranting and quoting the Old Testament for their source. I was taught that Jesus came and presented new laws for his people to follow. Laws such as “love thy neighbor as thyself”, and “judge not, lest ye be judged”. How come we never hear these self-rightous phonies quote those bible passages?
Take a closer look at his picture. He looks a whole lot like the kind of perv that hangs around adult book stores. I’ll bet he can tell you where the best glory holes in Colorado are located.
February 25th, 2009 at 10:37 pmIf that’s the case Renfroe is probably a serial killer
February 25th, 2009 at 10:44 pm______
PatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
It often appears to me that many Christians have replaced God with an idol: the Bible. They don’t look for the spiritual themes and consistencies to better their own lives and relationship with God. They look for weapons to defeat those who don’t agree with their dogma and they worship the power of isolated words stripped of their spiritual context.
February 25th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
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Do Christians bear any responsibility for the sin in our society? Are we safe in just working on our own relationship with God and ignoring the state of our fellow man? If we all do more good things than bad, are we good with God?
February 25th, 2009 at 11:06 pmPLC< Once again thoughtful and well spoken!
February 25th, 2009 at 11:26 pmWe had extremely similar diatribes from Adolph H. regarding the Jewish people.
Though straight, most of my friends and associates are gay/lesbian. I feel slightly idiotic even referring to them with that label. Other labels apply far better: Brilliant sociologist, ultra successful lawyer, capable city council person, merciless and near peerless management consultant, dogged methodical relentless human rights advocate, tenured associate professor and the list goes on.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:10 amHow can anyone categorically label these people and place them in a similar light to murderers?
#79 upright left,
February 26th, 2009 at 2:04 amIt’s called a “Personal Relationship” for a reason…
… NO?
upright left Says:
YOU dont get to define sin beyond do unto others and harming others. It isnt a sin just because YOU dont approve. Dont bother talking to me about Leviticus which calls eating shellfish an abomination either. Things change. Societies change. Tolerance USED to be a Christian virtue. Condemning other for who they are doesnt seem to me to fit in Christian values in any way. You can disagree. That is fine. It is silly to think WE have an obligation to see things the way YOU do.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:58 am______
Max-1 Says:
#79 upright left,
It’s called a “Personal Relationship” for a reason…
… NO?
February 26th, 2009 at 2:04 am
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So the liberal Christian view is, “I’m good; to hell with everyone else?” ;)
February 26th, 2009 at 9:47 am______
EugeneDebs Says:
Dont bother talking to me about Leviticus which calls eating shellfish an abomination either.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:58 am
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You really think that’s a valid point, don’t you, bud? You seriously haven’t picked up on the spirit in which that little item is used. You might want to reconsider allowing atheists to interpret the Bible for you. ;)
February 26th, 2009 at 10:05 amSo does this mean that murderers in Colorado are excluded by law from receiving spousal health benefits?
February 26th, 2009 at 10:33 am#86 upright left,
February 26th, 2009 at 1:16 pmIt appears that way…
PatrioticLiberalChristian –re post 24: Amen and AMEN!
February 26th, 2009 at 8:23 pmWhatelse ?
March 21st, 2009 at 11:12 amupright left Says:
You really are a pompous condescending moron arent you? And STUPID. I mean very stupid. You dont KNOW the spirit it was written in anymore than I do. We know the WORDS. YOU cant read minds NOW much less those of men dead almost 2,000 years you ignorant putz. I get that someone as stupid as you cant imagine actually reading the bible and thinking for themselves because you are obviously too STUPID to think for yourself but it would never even occur to me to have ANYONE interpret the bible for me. Since it says directly that He will put His precepts in my heart. I read the bible and interpret for myself. I get that you are so stupid you only believe what you are TOLD to believe.
March 24th, 2009 at 8:11 amupright left Says:
Max-1 Says:
#79 upright left,
It’s called a “Personal Relationship” for a reason…
… NO?
February 26th, 2009 at 2:04 am
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So the liberal Christian view is, “I’m good; to hell with everyone else?” ;)
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While the pompous conservative Christian view, like YOURS, is I AM BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE and it is so much fun to look down my nose at them. You are a pompous prick
March 24th, 2009 at 8:13 am