Leahy announces hearings on Bush investigations set for next Wednesday.
Leahy announces hearings on Bush investigations set for next Wednesday.
Speaking on the Senate floor this morning, Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-VT) reiterated his call to hold a truth commission to investigate Bush wrongdoings, and announced that the Senate Judiciary Committee would hold hearings on the matter next Wednesday. Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-RI) rose after Leahy to support the call for investigations into “this past carnival of folly, greed, lies, and wrongdoing.” “If we blind ourselves to this history, we deny ouselves its lessons,” he said, warning that such an investigation will not be comfortable or easy:
WHITEHOUSE: We are optimists, we Americans. We are proud of our country. Contrition comes hard to us. But the path back from the dark side may lead us down some unfamiliar valleys of remorse and repugnance before we can return to the light. We may have to face our fellow Americans saying to us, “No. Please. Tell us that we did not do that. Tell us that American did not do that.” And we will have to explain, somehow. This is no small thing. And not easy. This will not be comfortable, or proud. But somehow, it must be done.
Watch it:
A recent poll found that a large majority — more than 60 percent — of Americans favors investigations into Bush wrongdoings, including warrantless wiretapping and torture. (Read Leahy’s full remarks are here, and read Whitehouse’s full speech here or watch it here.)
Transcript:
LEAHY: The citizens of this country have said we should have change. And we should. But we also know the past can be prologue for the future unless we set things right. [...]
My proposal for a commission would address the rest of the picture, which is to understand how these types of policies were formed and exercised. I do this to make sure the mistakes are not repeated. [...]
The determination to look beyond the vale that so carefully concealed the decision-making in these areas is growing. And next Wednesday, the Senate Judiciary Committee will hold a hearing to explore these ideas, and to continue the conversation about what we can do moving forward. [...]
WHITEHOUSE: We have to learn the lessons from this past carnival of folly, greed, lies, and wrongdoing so that teh damage can, under democratic process, be pointed out and corrected. If we blind ourselves to this history, we deny ourselves its lessons — lessons that came at too painful a cost to ignore. THOSE lessons merit disclosure and discussion. indeed, disclosure and discussion make the difference between this history being a valuable lesson for the bright and upward forces of our democracy or a blueprint for those darker forces to return and someday do it all over again. [...]
We also have to brace ourselves for the realistic possibility that as some of this conduct is exposed, we and the world will find it shameful, revolting. We may have to face the prospect at looking with horror at our own country’s deeds. We are optimists, we Americans. We are proud of our country. Contrition comes hard to us. But the path back from the dark side may lead us down some unfamiliar valleys of remorse and repugnance before we can return to the light. We may have to face our fellow Americans saying to us, “No. Please. Tell us that we did not do that. Tell us that American did not do that.” And we will have to explain, somehow. This is no small thing. And not easy. This will not be comfortable, or proud. But somehow, it must be done.
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February 25th, 2009 at 3:56 pmAccording to a 2007 New York Times/CBS News poll, only 16% of Americans think the government is telling the truth about 9/11 and the intelligence prior to the attacks:
“Do you think members of the Bush Administration are telling the truth, are mostly telling the truth but hiding something, or are they mostly lying?
Telling the truth 16%
Hiding something 53%
Mostly lying 28%
Not sure 3%”
I would start right here!
I bet Leahy wants to know who sent him and Tom Daschle and other prominent Liberals those Anthrax letters that we now know came from a U.S. Lab.
February 25th, 2009 at 3:57 pmSend the complicit Congress with them.
February 25th, 2009 at 3:57 pmYES!!!
February 25th, 2009 at 3:59 pmThe good Senator was a lot wordier than Neal Armstrong was but I like the sentiment.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:03 pmThis is good news. I believe this can be included in Jindal’s “We can do anything” rallying cry.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:05 pmInvestigate, arrest, prosecute, convict, execute, cremate, and scatter the ashes to the winds.
NUREMBERG II 2009
February 25th, 2009 at 4:05 pmOh boy! Better stock up on the Orville Rickenbacker and tune in C-Span. Sounds like some of the best Reallity TV we’ve seen in a while.;)
February 25th, 2009 at 4:06 pmThis better not be another kangaroo “9-11 commission.” (It will, though…)
How about an independent prosecutor? Independent anything….
February 25th, 2009 at 4:07 pmBring it on!
This is a must in order for us to move forward.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:07 pmI don’t want Bush’ ash floating around. Just the thought of getting a Cheney or Bush Ash in my face terrifies me.
I’m reminded of the end of “Time Bandits”. “Mom, Dad, don’t touch that. It’s evil.”
February 25th, 2009 at 4:08 pmSend the entire Boosh Crime Family to Hague!
Change we can all believe in! Fired up and ready to go!
Yes we can!
February 25th, 2009 at 4:08 pmI think most Americans, if informed of government wrong doing, would see it as a betrayal of American values and not something that represents US. Of course, for a lot of Americans, that will mean engaging in denial, but I don’t think that Congress has to soft peddle this for anyone but the 23 per centers, and I’d rather they not cater the hearings to the true believers.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:09 pmThen again, maybe we’ll find out what the republicans got on Reid The Surrenderer…
February 25th, 2009 at 4:09 pmI imagine that if Whitehouse supports it, then he must know that it will not be a typical “investigation” brick wall. This already has legs and a good deal of prima facie evidence so there will be no way to shove it anywhere but in the face of an special prosecutor to be appointed by the AG.
This committee will be step 1. It will proceed because 7 in 10 americans want it to proceed.
The majority has spoken and we made it clear during this recent election.
Give it a chance because the wealth of facts (38 articles of impeachment) mean that there is much to delve into.
Any one of these articles of impeachment can result in criminal charges.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:10 pmTracy__5 Says:
What it would accomplish is to give the NEXT president who wants to tell lies and distort intelligence to take us to war and hide behind secrecy pause, make them think twice and that cant be a bad thing.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:11 pmI, for one, will be watching carefully to see which of our elected officials appear to be serious about wanting investigations into possible criminal activity on the part of the previous administration, and which ones are going to be all about “letting bygones be bygones” and “moving forward”.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:11 pmWhat we also know is that the GOP used blackmail on members of Congress previously so this will bring an added criminal dimension to this case.
Bush gathered intel on his democratic opponents even before 911 and it was used extensively to close down the Dems when they won during the midterms.
Payback will be hell and there will be numbers of Republicans involved in the blackmail who will face prosecution for it.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:11 pmTracy__5 Says:
Worth what? What would it accomplish? It’s worth it to those who aren’t financial straits.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
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Justice isn’t worth anything?
I suppose you think we should just open all the jails and close all the police departments in the country, if justice is such a waste of money.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:12 pmTracy_5 says:
No doubt,you would have pardoned the defendants at Nuremberg for their war crimes.
Make NO mistake. The Bushies ARE WAR CRIMINALS!
February 25th, 2009 at 4:12 pmCrimes against peace, crimes against humanity.
YOU ARE DEFENDING THE INDEFENSIBLE
I’ve also heard that there are tons of whistleblowers ready and willing to talk once these investigations get legs. I’m sure more will be coming out of every nook and cranny in the weeks to come.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:12 pminvestigations into “this past carnival of folly, greed, lies, and wrongdoing.”
How about WAR CRIMES, criminal activities, corruption, war profiting, TREASON…
…oh, how the list is criminal activities will grow as you uncover their corruption.
Bush/Cheney War Crimes Trials 09′
February 25th, 2009 at 4:13 pmBut the path back from the dark side may lead us down some unfamiliar valleys of remorse and repugnance before we can return to the light
DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE POWER OF THE DARK SIDE!
February 25th, 2009 at 4:13 pmLast night Obama emphatically made clear that this will occur and although he didn’t say it outright, he was forceful when he spoke against torture which was the signal that heads are going to roll.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:13 pmNo legal immunity for any members of the Bush gangster regime.
O/T: Obama is trying to repeat LBJ’s stunt of juggling guns and butter. LBJ failed and was driven out of power in 1968. Obama is torturing and terrorizing 60,000,000 residents of Afghanistan and Iraq with his continuing brutal imperial hostile occupation of their lands.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:14 pmNo doubt the ones who are pleading to “move forward” and let bygones be bygones are THE VERY CRIMINALS we should begin investigating.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:15 pmOval1234567: Let’s just be clear on one thing: Both wars are Bush’s wars. End of discussion.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:16 pmI do not want to sound dense but how is Leahy going to conduct this investigation? The reason I ask is because Karl Rove has thumbed his nose at Congress three times and nothing has been done about him. So, if Leahy calls former Bushies to appear before the investigation and they refuse, how will we ever get to the bottom of Bush/Cheney wrong doing?
February 25th, 2009 at 4:16 pmWitch Hunt: Trying to find culpability when no overt evidence exists.
Real Hunt: Nailing the perpetrators of “known crimes”.
Big diff here.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:17 pmTracy: Guess not since Bush got away with raping taxpayers for 8 years and then raided the treasury on his way out. Not to mention running up trillions of dollars in deficit and hiding the $10 Billion per month to fund the Iraq War.
Now if you want to talk about raping the taxpayers, look no further than Herr Bush, my friend. He’s set the bar now.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:20 pmAverage American Patriot Says: 28
I can say that you are a moron. I am sure you would love for Bush to get away with everything he has done. Keep it a dirty little secret from the American people. For me I say let justice be done though the heavens fall.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:23 pmThis has interesting potential, but I will wait to see what actually happens.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:23 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Justice isn’t worth anything?”
If there was any actual validity to the charges they would have been brought up in the ICC.
So we should get rid of all the nation’s detectives? “If there was any actual validity to the charges, those burglars would already be in jail!”
February 25th, 2009 at 4:24 pmJustice will prevail;eventually, it always does.
This is a great time to be a democrat, isn’t it?? The best of times.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:24 pmTracy__5 Says:
WWWWAAHHHHHHHHHH two trillion for an unnecessary war Tracy is all for it. To rescue the economy from years of GOP mismanagement? WWAWAAAHHHHHHHHH. Hey if you dont want to do your part for society go live in the forest dig a hole to sleep in and eat nuts and berries. We are trying to have a civilization here and we are tired of dragging you whiners that dont want to do your part along. Why dont you and all the other libertarians go live on an Island and we can do a reality TV show watching you re-enact the Lord of the Flies.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:26 pmSpeaking of hearings:
February 25th, 2009 at 4:27 pmRove didn’t show up Monday ignoring Conyer’s subpoena — what’s happened to him?
Why wasn’t he arrested?
Marie Says:
Speaking of hearings:
Rove didn’t show up Monday ignoring Conyer’s subpoena — what’s happened to him?
Why wasn’t he arrested?
Brrrawk, buck buck buck . . .
Send the federal marshalls after him and let him take the Fifth in front of cameras and recorders.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:30 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Justice isn’t worth anything?”
If there was any actual validity to the charges they would have been brought up in the ICC.
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Sure and if anyone had REALLY been killed in the St Valentines Day massacre then Capone would have been prosecuted for it. Was that a JOKE? Did you REALLY think it made sense? REALLY?
February 25th, 2009 at 4:32 pmKeep fighting the good fight Leahy.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:33 pmTracy__5 Says:
No you dont have news for anyone MORON you have talking points and stupidity galore. How much will the Iraq war cost again? The tax cuts for the rich? Bush added more to the national debt than ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS COMBINED you idiot
February 25th, 2009 at 4:34 pmTracy__5 Says:
“So we should get rid of all the nation’s detectives?”
No, but at some point the political grandstanding has to stop and this is exactly what this is.
If would definitely be an improvement if there was a real investigation involving subpoenas and federal marshalls, yes. Quite true. Thanks for your support.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:35 pmTracy__5 Says: 45
So the holding a conservative accountable is political grandstanding. Justice has no meaning if it is aimed at a conservative. Accountability is ONLY for Democrats is that about it?
February 25th, 2009 at 4:36 pmTracy, you may not want to believe this but there is enough unanswered questions to warrant further investigation. We are a nation of laws and no man should be allowed to stand above, or outside of them.
There was no yellow cake uranium, the tubes were not for nuclear missiles, there was no link between OBL and Saddam, etc….
There is a need to know the truth. You can deny it and not want to believe the outcome and you are entitled to that, but to protest before the evidence is presented shows more fear and ignorance than a belief in this country.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:37 pmTracy__5 Says:
“To rescue the economy from years of GOP mismanagement?”
You actually think that this spending spree is going to rescue the economy?
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Who knows. It has the support of some pretty impressive economists including the most recent Nobel Prize winner. Something has to be done I am willing to give it a chance. CLEARLY what HAS been being done doesnt work.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:37 pmYessss
February 25th, 2009 at 4:39 pmGiven the dark nature of the people who would rightfully be investigated and prosecuted; and the dark, dark nature of their crimes, I could see people being nervous about challenging them. Or frightened. Or terrified. But it’s their duty to uphold the law of the land and restore the balance of power that our great system is based upon. I’ll encourage them and trust most people here will do the same.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:40 pmDear Dickless Tracy
You actually think that this spending spree is going to rescue the economy?
Yes.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:44 pmTracy__5 Says:
OK but can it include provisions that gives the current president pause the next time he wants to rape the American tax payers?
February 25th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
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Rape?
A significant majority of American taxpayers support the stimulus bill Obama just signed into law. I’d say that rather changes it from rape to consensual sex.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:45 pmAmericans have the right to know what their president did or did not do. The idea that any American would oppose that right is diametrically opposed to American principle. The president is an elected official who is answerable to the people he serves. All Americans who violate our laws are expected to be held accountable. If a president is suspect in the killing of his or her spouse’s lover, does American justice require that his guilt or innocence be investigated and determined? If a president authorized illegal torture that resulted in the death of one or dozens of suspected criminals, does American justice require that his guilt or innocence be investigated and determined? No one is above the law. No one is above investigation when there is a reasonable suspicion that he or she is guilty of committing a crime. In this case, there is more than a reasonable suspicion that Bush himself and other high officials in his administration specified and authorized the use of torturous interrogation methods that were clearly in violation of existing rules of law and the accords of the Geneva Convention that American courts had adjudged our enemies guilty of in the past. Not to investigate George W. Bush would be a severe blow to our entire reason for being a democracy rather than a fascist dictatorship.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:45 pmTracy__5 Says: 53
No what is a joke is how stupid you are. By that logic there were obviously no murders at the St Valentines Day massacre because Capone was never charged with murder. PLEASE that is just plain stupid. If the Nuremberg precedent were followed Bush and Cheney would be HANGED.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:47 pmPerhaps they should start at the beginning.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:48 pmThe energy ‘conference’ hosted by Cheney at the very beginning.
Let’s talk about the map of Iraq on the table at that meeting.
The ICC obviously didnt have access to internal governmental memos and paperwork that Congress CAN get through subpoena. The idea that because the ICC hasnt charged Bush there is no REASON to charge Bush is simplistic and frankly ignorant
February 25th, 2009 at 4:49 pmTracy__5 Says
February 25th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
I got news for you fool, all of the spending in the last eight years was just trumped last week by one signature by Obama! The bar now can even be seen now.
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And I’ve got news for YOU. “All of the spending” last year ALONE ($2.8 trillion) was more than triple what that “one signature” by Obama authorized. If you compare the stimulus package to all spending over the past EIGHT YEARS, the figure doesn’t come anywhere close at all.
But since you are obviously opposed to obscene amounts of money being spent, why aren’t you protesting the OVER 600 BILLION DOLLARS thrown into Iraq?
The Iraq money has been throw-away money. At least the stimulus package is an investment in ourselves.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:50 pmThe worst part about Tracy is that it is common knowledge that a government needs to spend money to cut the greater losses from doing nothing. Common knowledge. Knowledge doesn’t play into anything conservatives do, because the real endgame is to discredit the government so much, that the American people will vote to reduce its power, de-regulating everything, and put the resources into the elite few who already have the resources to consolidate it further. There’s a reason the GOP is the party of the rich.
Actually, maybe the worst part of Tracy is that he’s perfectly played by the party he so loves, all the while lying underneath the bus the whole time.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:51 pmOnly a nanny pussy such as yourself would ask the government to take care of you.
Do you not drive on paved roads? Drink tap water? Give your kids safe toys? Did you not tie that yellow ribbon around your tree because you had your fingers crossed that the govt. would indeed take care of you?
You’re pathetic Tracy. This govt. has taken care of you from day one, even given you protection to say whatever comes from that empty head of yours. And now you advocate its reduction. Typical and sad.
February 25th, 2009 at 4:57 pmTracy__5 Says:
No not until Obama. Bush has added more to the national debt than all other Presidents combined PERIOD. We are in a deep hole. We need to put people to work. The GOP agenda of useless costly wars and tax cuts for the rich DONT WORK. Its time to try something else.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:01 pmTracy__5 Says:
Only an ignorant souless cowardly PUNK such as yourself would see it that way.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:02 pmTracy__5 Says:
That’s only because they don’t know what is in the bill and are still in state of Obama trance.
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No it is because what WAS tried didnt work and they are willing to give his ideas a chance unlike stupid Bush Idolotors like YOU.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:04 pmBack to the topic—WHITE HOUSE INVESTIGATIONS—I just wrote my congressmen to encourage them. Made me realize how disgusted I was when I stopped writing them. Feels much better now.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:04 pmTracy__5 Says:
“If the Nuremberg precedent were followed Bush and Cheney would be HANGED.”
OK judge Debs cite the charge and indisputable evidence. I love it when wanna-be legal experts try to talk smart.
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I dont have to TRY to talk smart I am not as stupid as you. The charge would be what we hanged most of the Nazis for starting a war of aggression. Since we DIDNT have a UN Security counsel resolution NOR could we claim immanent self defense that is clearcut.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:07 pmTracy__5 Says:
“A significant majority of American taxpayers support the stimulus bill Obama just signed into law.”
That’s only because they don’t know what is in the bill and are still in state of Obama trance.
I’m sure you read the whole thing, Tracy, and your super-brain is so much bigger than everybody else’s.
Hee hee
February 25th, 2009 at 5:07 pmMaybe Leahy should call in Sarah Palin’s pastor to help if this is a witch hunt!
February 25th, 2009 at 5:07 pmTracy__5 Says:
“The idea that because the ICC hasnt charged Bush there is no REASON to charge Bush is simplistic and frankly ignorant…”
Again the ICC was so anti-Bush that if they had valid charges they would have.
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You are baying at the moon. There are political reasons they would be unwilling to go after a President of the US without US or UN support. Keep pretending a lack of prosecution is somehow proof of innocence but its just plain stupid. Cough up your evidence by the way that the ICC was so anti-Bush
February 25th, 2009 at 5:08 pmGood luck
February 25th, 2009 at 5:09 pmThere is 8 years of inertia to overcome so it is heartening to see an effort being made in Congress…finally. Once the ball gets rolling, it is going to be hard to control. The media makes money off sensationalism and it is entirely possible that these hearings could turn into something that would make old Jack and 24 look like Cream of Wheat.
Considering the Republican idea of loyalty, once one cracks, they will all be scrambling like a cat with diarrhea in a round room with tile floors.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:12 pmTracy_5, I would like to paraphrase our leaders in the Bush Administration: if Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rove, et al have nothing to hide then they would welcome an investigation to clear them.
I love it when wanna-be legal experts try to talk smart.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:14 pmPot meet kettle
I don’t know about you, but I could spend my share it better and create more business in the construction industry than the governement ever could.
Yea right,
You “design-build” d o u c h e b a g s are in the business of stripping the building/design process of:
1. accountability
2. oversight
3. accuracy
Sounds like a sure fire recipe for a typical GOP disaster story.
“Do you like stories about gladiators billy?”
February 25th, 2009 at 5:15 pmTracy__5 Says:
“The Iraq money has been throw-away money.”
In your opinion.
Huge cost overruns to contractors. Construction projects creating useless, uninhabitable buildings.
From as far back as 2005:
Your kneejerk ideology serves you poorly.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:16 pmAnd here we go again, another waste of taxpayer money.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:17 pmTracy__5 Says:
BTW do you know what Obama’s first regular budget will be?
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No and neither do YOU and neither does Reuters. We can wait and see what cuts he is able to make.
“The Iraq money has been throw-away money.”
In your opinion.
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In EVERYBODY’s opinion that has two functional braincells to rub toghether.
“At least the stimulus package is an investment in ourselves.”
I don’t know about you, but I could spend my share it better and create more business in the construction industry than the governement ever could.
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Ignorant and worthless baseless assertion. How many jobs were created by rural electrification? How may jobs in the energy and construction industry? How many in manufacturing the goods rural people THEN bought because they HAD electricity? Your baseless assertion was easy for you to SAY but lets see you back that up.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:19 pmDeuce Coupe Says:
Here we go again another ignorant post by DueceMoron
February 25th, 2009 at 5:21 pmAnd here we go again, another waste of taxpayer money.
A nutt-huggin’ GOPer would be the expert on the topic of
WASTED TAXPAYER MONEY.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:21 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Bush has added more to the national debt than all other Presidents combined PERIOD.”
How much you want to bet that Obama tops that by 2012?
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Lets go to the record of the predictions by you rightwingnuts recently. What are you about ZERO for several thousand? Give it up. Your I Ching or Ouiji board is broken. You guys SUCK at predictions. I could do better with a magic 8 ball
February 25th, 2009 at 5:22 pmHow much you want to bet that Obama tops that by 2012?
When the tax-cuts for the uber-rich are pulled back, it’ll all make sense to you, fool.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:23 pmTracy__5 Says:
Yes to all of the above but what is currently going on is absolutely ridiculous.
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That is your OPINION. What we KNOW is the rightwingnut economics we have BEEN trying has SUCKED bigtime
February 25th, 2009 at 5:23 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Only an ignorant souless cowardly PUNK such as yourself would see it that way.”
Then go to congress and tell them the YOU want to lead the prosecution if you are so sure of your charges.
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The Dems are spineless. They might well duck out on their responsibility. Sill the logic is inescapable if we followed the Nuremberg precedent and judged Bush and Cheney by the same standard that we judged the Nazis they wouldnt be hanged. Bottom line, lack of prosecution is NOT evidence of innocence and it is plain stupid to pretend it is.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:26 pmTracy__5 Says:
“…and they are willing to give his ideas”
They ALREADY have been and it took nearly a decade and really a World War to actually get us out of the last depression.
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THAT is what Rush and the rest of the Limborg have TOLD you to believe. The most RECENT Nobel Prize winner disputes that. HMMMM. Who has more credibility here. A bunch of wingnuts with an agenda and a poster on the website or a NOBEL PRIZE WINNER IN ECONOMICS.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:30 pmGet someone you know who does.
I say, get to know yourself, idiot.
Design-builders are shysters, through-and-through.
The cut-out any mid-level supervision in order to make a quick buck.
I know.
I’ve worked for them.
You don’t.
You lie.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:43 pmTracy__5 Says:
“The charge would be what we hanged most of the Nazis for starting a war of aggression.”
It’s a BS bogus charge
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Nothing bogus about it. It is indisputable.
because those senators who gave the authorization to start this so-called war of agression think that you are full of crap.
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YOU are a moron. It isnt my FAULT you are so stupid. The Senators gave the AUTHORIZATION based on 1) lies and distortions Bush gave them 2) the keys to the car not the go ahead to drive it off the cliff.
99 senators and their lawyers knowledge of the constitution trumps anything that Debs says by a hundred miles.
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They didnt GET 99 votes you ignoramus. The Constitution isnt what we are talking about. WE ran the Nuremberg trials and if those standards were followed Bush and Cheney at LEAST would be hanged period you cant even make an argument this isnt true. I am sure those 99 Senators BELIEVED Bush the liar when he said he would go back to the UN and try dimplomacy. What a moron you are.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:43 pmNettles Says:
You DO know you are a moron dont you?
February 25th, 2009 at 5:44 pmTracy__5 Says:
#89
“Construction projects creating useless, uninhabitable buildings.”
Such as?
You really have had your head up your butt for years, haven’t you. How about the Baghdad police academy where sh!t oozed out of the walls?
You’re the big construction expert, right? Does this sound like money being thrown away or what?
February 25th, 2009 at 5:51 pmShorter Nettles:
Bring it ON!
FumbDuck. Those ‘hardened’ CIA officers will be testifying to Congress under oath. They won’t have any ‘interrogation’ implements to help them convince the Congress that they’d better damn well listen and confess their crimes.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:52 pmTracy_5 says:
Nettles says:
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see: Nuremberg Trials;
war crimes include:
-conspiracy to plan a war of aggression(Hitler-Poland 1939/Bush-Iraq 2003)
-starting and waging a war of aggression(again, Hitler/Bush)
-crimes against humanity(including torture; Hitler/Bush)
Why are the two of you defending war mongers and murderers?
February 25th, 2009 at 5:54 pmAre the two of you evil?
Tracy__5 Says:
#94
“How many jobs were created by rural electrification?”
And once it was completed? Necessary at the time but unsustainable jobs.
The construction jobs went away when the work was done, but electrification created the opportunity for farming and industry to create many more sustainable jobs. Pay attention!
“How may jobs in the energy and construction industry?”
Who does the employing? Not the government. You are confusing jobs with work.
Someone’s confused, all right, but it’s not EugeneDebs.
February 25th, 2009 at 5:55 pmCareful folks, you are using facts with the trolls. You know how facts overheat the mental capacities of the trolls.
February 25th, 2009 at 6:04 pmNettles Says:
Debs- Watching those hearings is going to be kind of like watching you get schooled by Tracy. A thorough pummelling indeed. You deserve it, though. Your whining seeps through your writing.
A big fan of fairy tales, I see. Tracy has yet to “school” anyone, at least not in RealityLand.
February 25th, 2009 at 6:06 pmTracy__5 Says:
“How many jobs were created by rural electrification?”
And once it was completed? Necessary at the time but unsustainable jobs.
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Unsustainable jobs? That is unbelievably dumb. Did the power grid go away? Did the rural citizens buy ONE electric item then STOP buying them? That had to be one of the dumbest things I have ever read.
“How may jobs in the energy and construction industry?”
Who does the employing? Not the government. You are confusing jobs with work.
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Dumb topped with dumber. No you just are refusing to see reality. The GOVERNMENT paid for the infrastructure THAT created the opportunity for privat enterprise employment. This really isnt that complicated.
“Your baseless assertion was easy for you to SAY but lets see you back that up.”
Sure because I am one of the ones RESPONSIBLE for getting people hired at my firm and sustaining their employment.
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And you are going to put MORE people to work than infrastructure improvements and investment into new technology that can create industry in the same way rural electrification opened whole new markets? You dont really think that makes sense do you?
February 25th, 2009 at 6:09 pmTracy__5 Says:
Paul Krugman
February 25th, 2009 at 6:09 pmTracy__5 Says:
The Senators gave the AUTHORIZATION based on 1) lies and distortions Bush gave them 2) the keys to the car not the go ahead to drive it off the cliff.”
1) The false information was given by multiple agencies not just the WH. 2) You are a fool if you think that those senators didn’t know what they gave Bush the authorization to do…an utter fool.
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You are incredibly stupid. I mean a whole new level of stoopid that is like a black hole of logic. YOU are a moron period but especially if you are still trying to claim Bush wasnt lying and distorting and CHERRY PICKING the intelligence he sent to Congress. Hey feel free to blame Congress to at a lesser degree I do but eveyone knows that without Bush there would have been NO WAR. Sure they knew what they AUTHORIZED him to do and it WAS stupid of them to believe he would actually use it responsibly. For THAT they need to be held accountable. It really isnt my fault you are so astonishingly ignorant.
“WE ran the Nuremberg trials and if those standards were followed Bush and Cheney at LEAST would be hanged period…”
Again you are not a legal expert….in the least, which is obvious, so for you to try to continue to attempt sound like a lawyer is laughable.
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My GOD you are ignorant. I dont have to be a lawyer to know what we hanged most of the Nazis for you simpering moron. I only need to know the history. What is laughable is how STUPID you are. Bush started a war of aggression. There was NO immanent self defense. There was no UN resolution. War of agression. Reality isnt dependent on brainwashed morons like you believing it. It is reality. The fact YOU are too stupid to understand that really isnt anyones fault but YOURS.
February 25th, 2009 at 6:16 pmTracy__5 Says: 132
Looks like a typical ignorant brainwashed morons response.
February 25th, 2009 at 6:17 pmTracy__5 Says:
“You’re the big construction expert, right? Does this sound like money being thrown away or what?”
Sound like a typical governement run debacle.
As we said, and you disputed: money thrown away in Iraq. Thanks for finally catching on.
The “construction” work, incidentally, was done by a private contractor, not government employees.
You wanted to know which uninhabitable buildings I referred to, and appeared skeptical. Would you like to issue your apology now, or are you making a list to present in a single comment?
February 25th, 2009 at 6:21 pmBTW where did you dig up the lie that I work at an architectural design-build firm?
I’m fcuking psychic, beotch, why else.
It’s not lie.
You bragged about it months ago ON THIS SITE, IDIOT.
Not much on memory, are you d o u c h y?
February 25th, 2009 at 6:25 pmNettles Says:
You wish. Tracy is getting spanked you snivelling little punk. You are stupid nettles. You are comitted to ALL your fantasies including that tracy holds his own as we mop the floor with him. You do get that you are really stupid dont you? I mean even someone as stupid as you should be able to understand something THAT simple
February 25th, 2009 at 6:27 pmI guess we could have ASSumed you were lying, right?
Tracy_5 Says:
“From 2 different universities and with degrees in 2 different areas ; how about you ?”
Master of Archiecture, a licenced architect, member of AIA, practicing architecture for the last 8 years.
August 10th, 2008 at 12:55 am
Time for the super sleuths to google-you-out, d o u c h e b a g.
February 25th, 2009 at 6:28 pmSooooooooo tracy, does that mean that you’re doing your patriotic duty and submitting bids?
February 25th, 2009 at 6:28 pmTracy__5 Says:
HA. So he won the NOBEL PRIZE but YOU know better? Where did YOU get YOUR degree in economics? Krugman has taught at Princeton, Yale, and MIT. When did YOU get your Nobel Prize again? Oh you dont have either? What a surpise so what is YOUR standing to just dismiss one of Americas most RESPECTED economists who HAS taught at all those elite universities and WON THE NOBEL PRIZE? Perhaps you are just delusional and THINK if you say something often enough it will become true.
February 25th, 2009 at 6:49 pmTracy__5 Says:
“YOU are a moron period but especially if you are still trying to claim Bush wasnt lying and distorting and CHERRY PICKING the intelligence he sent to Congress.”
I am not trying to claim that Bush “cherry picked” intelligence to push his case, just as I hope you aren’t saying the those poor helpless sap senators didn’t know exactly what they were authorizing.
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Yeah blame the Senators so do I but its just plain ignorant to keep pretending it is THEIR fault when it is CLEAR that without Bush there would have been NO WAR. He PROMISED to go back to the UN. The Senators have much less culpability.
“I dont have to be a lawyer to know what we hanged most of the Nazis for you simpering moron.”
You have to know that your charges are not supported by those who know the law twit.
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I know no such thing MORON and neither do YOU. There isnt any QUESTION that we hanged Nazis for what Bush did. You cant even make an argument that we didnt. YOUR stupidity isnt my problem.
February 25th, 2009 at 6:53 pmSo, do enlighten us about your wonderful industry and how you could spend the stimulus money better without submitting bids.
February 25th, 2009 at 7:16 pmThinking about just how stupid T-5’s comment about a one time impact of rural electrification really is. Wiring the rural areas had a profound impact in many ways. Electric pumps brought water into the house and toilets soon followed. Jobs created included linemen for the companies and electricians to wire houses and businesses. Retail sales included lamps, light bulbs, radios, washing machines as well as tools and machinery that eased the life of farm families. Delivery of catalog bought electrical goods increased postal revenues and employed factory workers making the goods…
Well, most of you get the picture but somehow T-5 is blind to it.
February 25th, 2009 at 7:26 pm(I see Tracy has shaken off his post-election fugue, and is ready to start dealing with his anger, bargaining, and depression)
It’s a long road to recovery, Tracy, but you’ll get there.
Getting past the denial is always the hard part, especially when the trauma was particularly intense.
Stick to your group, and your steps, and your sponsor, and you’ll get there.
God Bless, and Take Care
February 25th, 2009 at 8:43 pmWhile a “truth” commission may have it’s place, don’t we already have lots of truthiness regarding the Bush Administration? Has there been a more audacious hijacking of our government in our history? How much tyranny does it take before the American people demand accountability?
We need a special prosecutor, not a limp-wristed commission that grants immunity so people can tell us about their crimes. Here’s a letter signed by 20-some groups including The Center for Constitutional Rights, The National Lawyers Guild, Democrats.com, and many others that says it like it should be:
“We urge Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint a non-partisan independent Special Counsel to immediately commence a prosecutorial investigation into the most serious alleged crimes of former President George W. Bush, former Vice President Richard B. Cheney, the attorneys formerly employed by the Department of Justice whose memos sought to justify torture, and other former top officials of the Bush Administration.
Our laws, and treaties that under Article VI of our Constitution are the supreme law of the land, require the prosecution of crimes that strong evidence suggests these individuals have committed. Both the former president and the former vice president have confessed to authorizing a torture procedure that is illegal under our law and treaty obligations. The former president has confessed to violating the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act.
We see no need for these prosecutions to be extraordinarily lengthy or costly, and no need to wait for the recommendations of a panel or “truth” commission when substantial evidence of the crimes is already in the public domain. We believe the most effective investigation can be conducted by a prosecutor, and we believe such an investigation should begin immediately.”
February 25th, 2009 at 8:55 pmWhitehouse explained things pretty well. Even if i was stupid i could probably connect the dots and realize he is right. Do you suppose he got through to many republicans?
February 25th, 2009 at 9:20 pmTracy_5 You wouldn’t know a TRUE CONSERVATIVE if you tripped over one. My Dad knew Barry Goldwater. I even met him once when I was seven or eight years old. Some of his ideas would have been disastrous,{he wanted to nuke Viet Nam for one!)But he was a man of integrity. He truely believed everything he said and rarely engaged in slander. The Republicans since have turned into a massive spending machine. They have squandered our wealth, GREW GOVERNMENT EXPONENTIALLY and flew in the face of conservative philosophy. They lack integrity and have substituted personal attacks for statesmanship! You Are a FRICKIN’ NEO_CON!!!! Get one of Goldwater’s books and read it before you call yourself ANYTHING! Need some suggestions?
February 25th, 2009 at 10:22 pmPelotonpro 152
Bravo I couldnt agree more.
February 25th, 2009 at 10:52 pmI’m sure it’s way too late to respond to Twacy, but unlike some, I’ve got a job and it kept me out late tonight. However, I do love my closure:
Tracy_5:
I NEVER disputed that money wasn’t thrown away in Iraq. That’s a lie.
Previously:
Tracy__5 Says:
“The Iraq money has been throw-away money.”
In your opinion.
Twacy:
Government employees don’t build ANY government funded projects anyway. You must think that even the U.S. interstate highway system was built by governement employees….true or not?
This was in response to Twacy’s comment that sh!t squirting out of the floor was “typical government work”. When confronted with the dilemma that the work wasn’t done by government employees, Twacy moved his little goalposts and tried to throw a little sand in the works.
Twacy, you did dispute that money was thrown away in Iraq. Then you claimed that you never disputed it, but blamed the shoddy construction on “government” even though the work was done by a private construction firm. And then whined:
For what? I asked a question and you came up with ONE example.
Do your own research, twit. That took seconds to find. It just happened to be one of the first to appear in a search and one of the most disgusting. There are many many more, but you’d have to drop your troll blinders and learn to read in order to find them.
In the meantime, Twacy, you’re spinning so fast trying to deflect actual facts that you’ve dug yourself a very deep hole. Have a nice night.
February 25th, 2009 at 11:55 pmThey need to be careful when they put this report down on the table. If they drop it too forcefully, the large amount of uncovered slime it contains might make it slide off the edge of the table and down onto the floor.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:21 am“The determination to look beyond the vale that so carefully concealed the decision-making in these areas is growing.”
TP, it’s “beyond the veil”
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Tracy, you just keep getting exponentially more dense with every version.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:22 am.
LET THE COVER-UP BEGIN!
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February 26th, 2009 at 1:24 amTracy__5 Says:
“Tracy, you just keep getting exponentially more dense with every version.”
Jane you and your husband have been in need of a trade in intellectually for the last two years especially when you misquote people here.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:49 am
WTF are you talking about, Tracy? You give me one example when I or Wayne have “misquote(d) people here”. Everyone here knows damn well that if either of us made a mistake in quoting someone and was proved wrong, we would own up and apologize for the error, because we value the truth.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:26 amNo accommodations, no immunity. These people were paid by the U.S. taxpayers. We do not need the additional affront of “in your face” politics. Let’s have the truth from each question and the heck with hurt sensitivities,; you know, the bluster of the indignant Rethugs.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:27 am.
Hey everyone…
… Taliban_Tracy thinks that giving the largest tax cut in the history of the USA as part of the “economic bailout” of America is a rape of the taxpayer?
Maybe Taliban_Tracy can explain why the GOP didn’t vote for that sort of tax cut?
More so, maybe Taliban_Tracy can explain the ethos behind not holding people responsible and accountable for war crimes?
And even more so, maybe Taliban_Tracy can explain why holding war criminals responsible is a waste of tax payer money?
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February 26th, 2009 at 1:30 am.
Dear Taliban_Tracy,
Please explain why it is acceptable to pay these WAR CRIMINALS a life’s pension…
… ON THE TAX PAYERS DIME?
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February 26th, 2009 at 1:33 amTracy_5,
Feeling inadequate tonight?
February 26th, 2009 at 2:14 amTracy 157
you are obviously trying to take stupidity to an ARTFORM. Cough up a dozen economists with Nobel Prizes who disagree with him. Make sure they have taught at at least four world class elite universities like Krugman who taught at Princeton Yale Berkely and London School of economics. The truth is you are a LIAR. There arent dozens of economists ALIVE that are more accomplished than Krugman. You are the partisan as well as a delusional moron. See the definition of partisan hack is NOT disagrees with Tracy
February 26th, 2009 at 2:39 amTracy__5 Says:
I would rather look at the GOOD things done in Iraq unlike yourself and those here who have hoped we fail in Iraq for the last seven years.
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This pretty much says it all. You would rather believe your delusional fantasies than plain reality. You will find three good projects for every bad one. Enough to make up for the people killed and tortured? No you wont. You just say whatever pops into your head to make an argument no matter how ignorant, ludicrous and contrary to reality. You are brainwashed beyond belief.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:44 amTracy__5 Says:
When you get out of you Obama cloud 9 and put your feet back on the ground you will see that your childeren financially are sooo screwed by this guy.
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My GOD talk about irony. You wouldnt know reality if it kicked you in the balls and deflated your rubber wife you ignorant loaf. After 8 years of the disaster that was Bush you are attacking Obama after only a month. You are so stupid it HAS to hurt.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:47 amTracy you are a liar and a fool. Now we already KNEW that but attacking Jane and Wayne two of the best posters on this site doesnt make THEM look bad it makes YOU look petty and stupid
February 26th, 2009 at 2:49 amLeahy and Whitehouse are courageous people in Congress who will make an important difference relative to potential investigations against Bush.
Imagine if every person in Congress were so cowardly and afraid to seek investigation and/or prosecution against Bush: then, figuratively, America would probably not continue to exist for very long.
In that hypothetical scenario, such cowardice would figuratively destroy American human existence—that is—if all people in Congress acted like the lion in the Wizard of Oz.
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February 26th, 2009 at 2:57 amWang111 Says:
Go away blogwhore
February 26th, 2009 at 3:09 amTracy__5 Says:
I would rather look at the GOOD things done in Iraq unlike yourself and those here who have hoped we fail in Iraq for the last seven years.
For every bad project you cite I will find 3 good ones.
http://www.iraqupdates.com/
My facts about good public works in Iraq eclipse anything you can find that is bad.
You may be unfamiliar with the concept of indoor plumbing, but it’s generally accepted that having sh!t ooze through the floor renders the building uninhabitable. You’ve already claimed that this was “typical government work”, which would indicate that you know of many many more instances where buildings had sh!t oozing through the floor. Please cite.
But now you say that the “good public works” outweigh the ooze; in other words, the cited police station wasn’t “typical government work” at all, and apparently you believe that most public works in Iraq were terrific.
No wonder you’re such an angry git. You’re desperately confused.
February 26th, 2009 at 9:42 amsinema bursa
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February 26th, 2009 at 9:45 amThank you, Eugene.
February 26th, 2009 at 10:23 amNote to above – we haven’t seen Bush (or his crowd of traitorous friends, family, business associates and political donors) in the ICC because Bush refused to join the Court or permit any Americans to be tried there. Gee, I wonder why… As to Rove’s most recent non-appearance, supposedly his “attorney” advised that due to executive privilege, it was up to the President to make a determination about whether he should obey the subpoena or not. I am hopeful that this means the CURRENT President, which is what the article about this situation intimated. If so, I am hopeful we will see Rove sworn in someday soon, but suspect the Bush league will be intervening in the Courts to prevent it. Or perhaps Rove will fall on his sword to protect the child-King. So that the next time there is a Republican President he can be pardoned along with the long line of Republican criminals who have previously been pardoned, or had their sentences commuted when they took the falls. Think Iran-Contra, Watergate, Libby, etc.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:59 pmTracy, the quote in my comment was from the article, and I was specifically advising TP, not YOU, that they were using the wrong word.
The part of my comment that was directed at you was simply my personal summary of many years of your comments.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:52 pmGive up, Tracy_5. You’re just no damn good at this “debating” thing.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:53 pmTracy__5 Says:
How is that relevant to the discussion at hand about the good works in Iraq versus the bad ones?
How are the “good works in Iraq versus the bad ones” relevant to the real discussion “at hand”? The one about Senators Leahy and Whitehouse calling for investigations into Bush Administration abuses.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:55 pmTracy_5 Spews:
BTW you old bag what is up with you pussy comments directed towards my my wife? I thought only that POS RHF did such stupid things that would get his ass kicked in person, but I guess I was wrong.
Really, because you direct “pussy comments” at my wife even when she’s not here, or at me when I’m not here. Why the outrage? Is your wife really made of rubber? I doubt it, so you obviously intentionally distorted his meaning.
Like I said, give it up, Tracy. You are incapable of having a serious debate. And I’ve decided to stop being nice to you.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:22 pmTracy__5 Says:
My GOD you are stupid. YOu just make an argument to make an argument no matter how STUPID it is. The question is about accomplishments and teaching at the worlds most ELITE universities QUALIFIES as an accomplishment. How in the WORLD would a dead economist be relevant since he obviously wouldnt be opposed to ANYTHING ANYMORE as that is pretty hard for a DEAD person to do. I cannot believe how stupid you are. NO. Feldstien is NOT more accomplished than Krugman. Where is HIS Nobel Prize which is the WOLDS TOP PRIZE FOR ANY SCIENCE. So you came up with ONE accomplished but not MORE accomplished scientist than Krugman and claimed DOZENS. Do you understand that you just arent very good at this? Your claim was pure stupidity. You will NEVER back it up. Sure some economists will disagree but the definition of more accomplished than Paul Krugman is NOT agrees with Tracy. So cough up just ONE DOZEN Nobel Prize winners who disagree. Lets toss Joeseph Stiglitz in the mix ANOTHER NOBEL PRIZE winner who thinks the stimulus package is doing the right thing. So cough up a couple of dozen Nobel Prize winners who have taught in elite universities which obviously IS an accomplishment for a ACADEMIC YOU IDIOT. Then get back to us except we all know that is NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN. By the way you anti intellectual MORON. You dissing great universities doesnt make THEM look bad it makes YOU look like an idiot especially when you are doing it in the CONTEXT of talking about the accomplishments of ACADEMICS. I just cant get OVER how stupid you are.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:28 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Enough to make up for the people killed and tortured?”
How is that relevant to the discussion at hand about the good works in Iraq versus the bad ones?
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What killing and torturing people isnt bad work? Isnt the COST of the war relevant? What guage are you using and WHAT are you trying to prove. We SHOULD talk about painting schools but not killing and torturing? I dont even understand the nature of that question.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:30 pmTracy__5 Says:
“You wouldnt know reality if it kicked you in the balls and deflated your rubber wife you ignorant loaf.”
Reality? I am in reality far DEEPER than a lousy train conductor, i.e. a grunt, like youself ever could be considering I highly doubt that you have any say on the hiring and firing of people at your company. BTW you old bag what is up with you pussy comments directed towards my my wife? I thought only that POS RHF did such stupid things that would get his ass kicked in person, but I guess I was wrong.
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You have NO truck WHATSOEVER with reality. I have seen you CONTINUE to argue that Heart was a neverwas wannabe group compared to Brooks and Dunn AFTER it was shown you Heart outsold them by more than TEN MILLIN ALBUMS. I have seen you argue that words mean whatever you WANT them to mean and that I was being silly by using a dictionary to define the word soveriegnity. You are stupid you just dont know REALITY. I am doing exactly what I have always wanted to do. Calling me a grunt for my position simply isnt accurate but then you are exceedingly stupid. If you are ever MAN enough to see me in person you can TRY me then I will put you in the Hospital toughguy. As long as you act the obnoxious punk you act in your posts. I will insult you any way I choose. I couldnt care LESS what you think about it and thinking I will be afraid of your punkass toughguy act just shows how little you know about me.
“After 8 years of the disaster that was Bush you are attacking Obama after only a month.”
Good because only after a month Obama has used this recession to scare people to believe that this no job creating AND sustaining SPENDING bill is necessary to save the country under the deceitful cloak to push thru social policy changes.
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Here is another example of just how stupid and out of touch with reality you are. See you just CALLING it a nojob creating bill doesnt mean that is true. I know this must be hard for someone who is GIVEN your opinions by sceechmonkeys and has never thought for himself in his LIFE but you just SAYING something then repeating it endlessly WILL NOT MAKE IT MAGICALLY TRUE. You are an astonishingly stupid piece of garbage Tracy.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pmTracy_5,
If you feel that I have insulted you, then please know and understand that you deserved it. While I won’t claim that I have always been polite to trolls, I have been trying to be lately. But you do not engage in serious debate. And your pejorative comments directed at my wife (and, to a lesser extent, me) have earned you the treatment I give you. So quit crying “victim” and go somewhere your silly ideas are welcome.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:54 pmTracy, if my comments were as dense as yours I would have been laughed off this site a long time ago. Why are you still here? You might get more respect at one of the righty sites.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pmTracist__5, always trying to resurrect an almost dead thread to get the last word in.
February 26th, 2009 at 4:44 pmTypical.
Pathetic.
Typically pathetic.
Tracy__5 Says:
Comming from someone who is far more dense I don’t see how you could characterize others in that way.
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Ah no Tracy you are no where NEAR as bright as Jane and you arent ever going to be
February 26th, 2009 at 5:15 pmTracy__5 Says: 201
Oh please that argument is PLAIN stupid. No one ANYWHERE could argue that the Nobel prize in Economics isnt in the very LEAST one of the most prestigious if not THE most prestigious economics honor in the world it doesnt even matter it isnt one of the top five science prizes. Feldman may RANK higher in research papers but we are talking about ACCOMPLISHMENTS. Your ignorant take on teaching at an elite university only shows your anti intellectual bias and NOTHING else. You make the most adolescent arguments. You are flat out stupid. At any rate even if EVERYTHING you said was true you said you had DOZENS of more accomplished economists. You dont. YOu never will DOZENS of more accomplished economists DONT EXIST ON THE EARTH YOU MORON.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:20 pmTracy__5 Says:
What killing and torturing people isnt bad work?”
We are talking about PUBLIC WORKS PROJECTS old man. Do you need to take your alzheimer medication or something?
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Please when I get HALF as stupid as you I will commit supuku in shame.
“What guage are you using and WHAT are you trying to prove.”
I am proving the the good public works in Iraq, i.e. construction projects for those idiots who think that the killing of civilians is related, far out numbers the bad ones like the Iraqi police station cited earlier.
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So after telling Wayne HE doesnt get to say what is relevant now you will tell ME what is relevant. The COST of the war is relevant. You SAY this and yet I dont see the backup in a country where clean water and electricity are STILL not up to prewar levels. My GOD you are ignorant.
“We SHOULD talk about painting schools but not killing and torturing? I dont even understand the nature of that question.”
Of course you don’t because you went of on some unrelated tangent when we WERE discussing Iraqi reconstruction projects.
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Right because WAYNE doesnt get to the determination as to what is dicussed here.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:26 pmYOU do. Do you get yet that you just suck at this? That you rarely make a cogent argument and just spew out whatever floats to the top of your head no matter how stupid it is? Billions just dissapeared we spent much more on security of projects than the building. You are just brainwashed. You just WANT this to be true so you keep saying it IS true. Ya got nothin. You are a moron
Tracy__5 Says:
A pathetic internet toughguy. Come on up to Flagstaff I will give send you to OUR hospital.
You are a coward and a moron
February 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“Feldman may RANK higher in research papers but we are talking about ACCOMPLISHMENTS”
And FELDSTEIN’s dummy are just as distinguished if not more than Krugman’s and everyone knows how the Nobel prize criteria is politicized especially when you give a one to a terrorist like Arafat.
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No they DONT moron. That is a political award. That is political by nature. The SCIENCE awards are NOT and no one but morons claim they are.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:16 pmTracy__5 Says:
“Please when I get HALF as stupid as you I will commit supuku in shame.”
You might as well do it now considering you think the killing civilians is a bad “public work” when we are talking about something totally unrelated.
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I didnt say it was a public work. Being a soldier IS work. Keep pretending that torture and killing isnt a cost that ought to be factored in while YOU talk about all the great school painting we did. It is pathetic but its so amusing
“Wayne HE doesnt get to say what is relevant now you will tell ME what is relevant.”
Explain to me how the killing of civilians is relevant to good public works projects versus bad ones.
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It is part of the COST and YOU are touting the great work done. I dont know how much simpler I can make this.
“You SAY this and yet I dont see the backup in a country where clean water and electricity are STILL not up to prewar levels.”
Building a country from the ground up is difficult especially when NO other country is making a significant effort to help with the reconstruction.
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Why SHOULD they help? Did THEY encourage us to help? Before the first Gulf war Iraq had the best infrastructure in the Islamic Middle East it isnt building it from ground up its REBUILDING. YOU are the one SAYING without SHOWING what great public work we are doing. Cough it up or give it up.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:24 pmI am making the trip all the way from Dallas and you can’t even get off your sorry ass and travel a lousy 120 miles to Mesa?
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I am not a bully. YOU are the internet toughguy that keep threatening people you KNOW you will never have to see. All I am saying is if you are ever in my face I will put you down like a dog
February 26th, 2009 at 7:24 pmBut I am supposed to go out of MY WAY to travel to YOU? Bite me
February 26th, 2009 at 7:27 pm