Santelli backs off his claim that the White House was threatening him.
Santelli backs off his claim that the White House was threatening him.
ThinkProgress reported on Monday that CNBC’s Rick Santelli agreed with radio host G. Gordon Liddy that the White House was making “veiled threats” to him, claiming, “My kids are nervous to go to school.” He echoed those sentiments on the Mike Gallagher show. However, after Matt Lauer pressed him on the claim on the Today Show this morning, Santelli tried to walk it back, finally admitting that the White House was not threatening him. “Well, listen, I’m not saying ‘threatening,’” he said. Watch it:
The statement Santelli said was “very scary” to hear was from White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs, who was pointing out that while a former derivatives trader might have a fine home and a well-paying job, “the American people are struggling every day to meet their mortgages, stay in their jobs, pay their bills, send their kids to school.”
Transcript:
LAUER: Let me take this a step further. Robert Gibbs, the White House press secretary, commented, called you out in the briefing room, and after you heard his comments, you said that he was threatening you. Are you serious about that?
SANTELLI: Listen, let’s put it this way. Matt, you’re married, are you not?
LAUER: Yeah, I am.
SANTELLI: OK. This is more about the feelings my wife had when she watched the body language and listened to what he was saying, and I think you understand –
LAUER: But this is the White House press secretary. Do you think he’s going to threaten you on national television?
SANTELLI: Well, let’s rephrase the question. Do we think it’s normal to be named by name, as opposed to the general media at large, say the cable guy or some of the comments? I find, my wife finds, and many of my friends find that the direct confrontation and pointing me out by name just is not ordinary, and I’ll leave it at that and let people make their own judgment.
DYLAN RATIGAN (CNBC anchor): Let me say — let me say one thing on Rick’s behalf. Rick has — is channeling an emotion everybody in America is feeling, that people were able to cheat the system, whether it’s on Wall Street, whether it was politicians, or whether it was homeowners. Rick has been aggressive in criticizing the treatment of the bankers, the behavior of the politicians. He’s gotten a lot of attention now for the homeowners, but that is not a unique issue. He hits a behavioral economics 101 issue, which is people will not engage a system that they do not believe is fair.
LAUER: And I completely understand your supporting Rick, and Rick, I’m sure your wife is a lovely person. However, what Robert Gibbs said was, basically, he was — and I’m paraphrasing here — he was saying he’s not sure that as a former trader and current television personality, you’re living in the same kind of neighborhoods where people are struggling to pay their mortgages. He wasn’t threatening you.
SANTELLI: Well, listen, I’m not saying threatening. And just to be pinpointed specifically, I find very unusual, and I think that it’s more of a decision for you as the press or all the people on the lawn that giggled at the joke about caffeine — and it was funny — but how would they like to be pinpointed specifically? I think that’s the issue at hand. I don’t want to make more out of this. You know, here I am, and I want to continue to do what I’ve always done, and that is, question motivation, whether it’s the Fed chairman, and we know –
LAUER: Right, but the only thing I would say — the only thing, Rick, I would say –
SANTELLI: — that he wants the economy to cure down the road, but is it true?
LAUER: But the only thing I would say , Rick, is if you go out of your way to call out the president of the United States, you have to expect that his representative may go out of his way to call you out. Isn’t that go — doesn’t that go with the territory?
SANTELLI: Well, what we’re really saying is calling out — as a member of the press, do I not get to ask a question or question the system? I understand that. I just –
LAUER: And as the press secretary, doesn’t he have the right to ask you a question?
SANTELLI: He certainly does. It would be nice if he did it face to face, but I don’t know that he needs to throw out my name. I just have an issue with that.
RATIGAN: I think that the emotion here is a real emotion that everybody in this country feels, and we would be well-served by this administration, Republicans and Democrats, making it clear that they are going to make sure that the cheaters on Wall Street and in the housing market and in Congress will be caught. I think that if you back up and look at the emotion, I think that’s Rick’s point –
LAUER: Clearly –
RATIGAN: — your point, and my point, and a lot of other people’s point.
LAUER: Clearly, it’s touched a nerve. We will all agree on that.
SANTELLI: One think, Matt let’s get this out.
LAUER: Real quick. Real quick, Rick.
SANTELLI: Everybody that’s talking right now, we want all of this to succeed. We just want to make sure that as we spend the money we don’t have, we’re getting a return and people have a chance to look at it and understand where it’s going –
LAUER: OK.
SANTELLI: — and what type of return we’re getting for these trillions.
RATIGAN: And you can’t restart a system that’s riddled with cheaters.
LAUER: All right, guys, thank you. Dylan, Rick, thank you very much.
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I still haven’t figured out how Santelli took what Gibbs said at that press briefing to be a threat.. He’s either delusional, or just another drama queen.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:00 pmSANTELLI: Well, listen, I’m not saying threatening. And just to be pinpointed specifically, I find very unusual, and I think that it’s more of a decision for you as the press or all the people on the lawn that giggled at the joke about caffeine — and it was funny — but how would they like to be pinpointed specifically? I think that’s the issue at hand.
This is absurd, Rick. If Rush Limbaugh says something negative about the president, should the president go after the entire right-wing media in response, or just focus on whT Rush said? YOU, Rick, are the one who stood up on the floor of the Chicago Exchange and called the president out. That’s the only reason you were singled out by name at the White House. If someone else said and did the same thing as you, his name would have been mentioned.
And, for crying out loud, don’t mindlessly agree with G. Gordon Liddy. The man is not sane.
You heard me, Liddy – you’re crazy!
February 26th, 2009 at 12:02 pmnwmuse Says:
I still haven’t figured out how Santelli took what Gibbs said at that press briefing to be a threat.. He’s either delusional, or just another drama queen.
There’s no reason he can’t be both, muse. ;)
February 26th, 2009 at 12:03 pmHe’s either delusional, or just another drama queen.
There’s no reason he can’t be both, muse. ;)
Just like the “Leave Britney alone!” kid.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:04 pmWho is that guy who was spinning for Santelli? He’s just full of crap and misrepresented what Santelli said.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:04 pmScumbag deluxe is what you have here. Nobody wants a class war but this jerk is encouraging it. Idiot don’t seem to realize that folks without hope have nothing to lose should they ever want to take down a scumbag like Santelli or others like him.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:04 pmThe wicked flee when no man pursueth
February 26th, 2009 at 12:05 pmSo Rick Santelli wants to fight a populist war on behalf of the wealthy and then soils his britches the minute someone speaks up on behalf of the proles?
I gotta say, this a particularly memorable Republican profile in courage, where we find a chickenhawk afraid of a popularity contest.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:09 pmAnother “out of context” moment, eh Santelli?
And Wayne, in the late ’70s or early ’80s I attended a debate at UC Berkeley between G. Gordon and Timothy Leary. It was difficult to determine which had been the father of LSD.
PEACE
February 26th, 2009 at 12:11 pmThis Santelli guy is the epitome of the Wall Street shyster. It’s guys like him whose unbridled greed and false sense of superiority over your average American who need to be investigated, and if any criminality is found, seize their assets and throw them in jail.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:12 pmHe’s just another cancer eating at the media that passes for news.
FCUK THE REPUBLICANS
February 26th, 2009 at 12:12 pmCNBC’s Rick Santelli agreed with radio host G. Gordon Liddy that the White House was making “veiled threats” to him, claiming, “My kids are nervous to go to school.”
This is the same response to non-existent threats that got us mired in Iraq.
For a buncha tough guys, those wingnuts sure are easily frightened, ain’t they?
February 26th, 2009 at 12:14 pmDoesn’t matter very much, now does it? I mean, the retraction is always on the back pages…. the vitriol is spinning out there now all on it’s own…
February 26th, 2009 at 12:14 pmSantelli: “Help, the paranoid drama queens are after me.”
February 26th, 2009 at 12:14 pmThe weirdest part of this story is that Santelli originally expressed his fear of Obama while sitting in the same room with convicted felon and homocidal psychopath Gordon Liddy. Maybe it’s just me, but I would have been much more fearful of the violent nutjob sitting right next to me.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:14 pmI think we can deduce from this pair of simple declarative statements that AAP has very little contact with the Reality-Based Community.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:20 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
CNBC’s Rick Santelli agreed with radio host G. Gordon Liddy that the White House was making “veiled threats” to him, claiming, “My kids are nervous to go to school.”
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Rick… were they “nervous”… or simply “embarrassed”?
February 26th, 2009 at 12:21 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Average American Patriot Says:
Gibbs=coward. Plain and simple.
obama=scared sh*tless of little ol Hannity.
I think we can deduce from this pair of simple declarative statements that AAP has very little contact with the Reality-Based Community.
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And a weak grasp of basic math.
Those equations don’t add up.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:23 pmspencer’s mom,
I understand what you mean. And, actually, what Timothy Leary specialized in was inventing hallucinogenic drugs that weren’t yet illegal (because they were new, and not named in any law.) Albert Hoffman invented LSD-25 while searching for a drug to ease respiratory problems in elderly people.
But Timmy did say, “Tune in, turn out, drop out.”
February 26th, 2009 at 12:23 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Kudos to Santelli.
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For what?
Making a complete fool of himself on camera, or coming to his senses, just a little, and backing off from such silly claims?
February 26th, 2009 at 12:24 pmYes, it was good of him to admit that he was full of sh!t.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:25 pmMatt Lauer is full of fail. Robert Gibbs didn’t name Santelli. HE WAS ASKED A QUESTION SPECIFICALLY ABOUT SANTELLI. Give me a frikkin break.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:25 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
For a buncha tough guys, those wingnuts sure are easily frightened, ain’t they?
Well indeed, they are scared shitless until they can find someone to do their fighting for them.
Let’s not anyone forget that Santelli called people struggling with mortgage repayments “Losers”. That was the centerpiece of his rant. Robert Gibbs was far from the only person who spoke up on behalf of the “Losers”, and when there was no-one of any political importance willing to run interference for Santelli, he went crying to talk radio.
I hope Obama took heed that this is the caliber of person standing in the way of his objectives.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:26 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Gibbs=coward. Plain and simple.
obama=scared sh*tless of little ol Hannity.
What a laughably delusional thing to say. So disconnected from reality.
Average American Patriot Says:
“who CARES what this idiot say’s?”
Apparently gibbs, obama, tp, media matters, olbermann, lauer and all of the other left wing hacks who keep dragging this out.
Then why did Santelli go on Liddy’s program to talk about his rant? Apparently he wants to keep “dragging this out,” too. Also, he could “just say no” to anyone asking to interview him. But he doesn’t. So who wants to keep “dragging this out”?
February 26th, 2009 at 12:27 pmHi Average American Patriot.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:27 pmCould you please list the make mdel and year of your primary vehicle as well as the name of your most often visted restaurant and your favorite menus selection. Thanks in advance. It is for a project I am working on.
best-
Average American Patriot Says:
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Gibbs=coward. Plain and simple.
obama=scared sh*tless of little ol Hannity.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
She-Yawn Insanity is a colossal pansy .
BTW Average American Pencilneck
Who is it you believe has ‘toughness’/'guts’ ?
Chimpy and Cheney ? An AWOL moron and a 5 deferment chickenshit ?
Piss off ………..
February 26th, 2009 at 12:28 pmDumb Fox the Average Golfer Says:
and when there was no-one of any political importance willing to run interference for Santelli, he went crying to talk radio…
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Where he was welcomed w/ open arms by his fellow right wing hysteria queens…
February 26th, 2009 at 12:28 pmdbadass Says:
Hi Average American Patriot.
Could you please list the make mdel and year of your primary vehicle as well as the name of your most often visted restaurant and your favorite menus selection. Thanks in advance. It is for a project I am working on.
best-
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Are you really doing this… or have you simply figured out a truly ingenious way to get inside the heads of trolls and spook ‘em completely?
February 26th, 2009 at 12:29 pmSantelli reminds me of a little kid on a playground who falsely accuses another kid of beating him up, just to get a little sympathy. And when it’s exposed that his story is a complete fabrication, he’ll find some way to blame the other kid anyway in a vain attempt to save face.
Of course, kids who do that usually wind up losing respect with their peers, and are written off as lying losers. Same goes for big kids who do that. Santelli looks pathetic.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:30 pm“My kids are nervous to go to school.”
Failing as a father as well, huh Ricky?
Keep digging, dickface. You are turning up some solid gold Democrat talking points.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:31 pmRushpublicans like AAP are just huge cowardly pansies.
They are easily frightened and therefore easily manipulated.
It helps that they are also not very bright.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:31 pmYeah, what planet? Rush told the gop to stand against Obama and Obama won…..yeah, he’s scared.
Obama 1
rush 0
oh, and if the reps keep up the party of no speil:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090226/pl_politico/19346
February 26th, 2009 at 12:32 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
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“I hope Obama took heed that this is the caliber of person standing in the way of his objectives.”
Thank God!
February 26th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
I concur………
An insignificant little dweeb like Santelli will be of little consequence ………..Kind of like you.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:32 pmSantelli is a sissy, just like the people that believe his tripe
February 26th, 2009 at 12:33 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
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The radical lefties are playing right into Santelli’s hand and helping him get his message out there. :)
February 26th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
His “message” was to let everyone know he’s a gigantic bullshitter and enormous pansy ?
Believe me , that is 2 things everyone already knew………
February 26th, 2009 at 12:33 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
The radical lefties are playing right into Santelli’s hand and helping him get his message out there. :)
You mean while they also talk about what a stupid, delusional, and false “message” it is?
February 26th, 2009 at 12:36 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Thank God!
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Don’t forget to throw in a “With God On Our Side” while you’re at it…
It sounds so much better in the German… “Gott mins Uns”… so let’s go w/ that, shall we?
February 26th, 2009 at 12:36 pmWhat a cry-baby. I think good ole Rick has finally figured out he is despised by the Average Joe. Oh sure, the talking heads and wealthy co-workers agree with him, but I dare him to come over my neck of the woods and spew his drivel. I don’t think he would have the guts.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:36 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
The radical lefties are playing right into Santelli’s hand and helping him get his message out there. :)
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What message… that he made a fool of himself on national media?
February 26th, 2009 at 12:36 pmIf there was a god there would be no Santellis
February 26th, 2009 at 12:37 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
I hear Santelli has been offered a job at Fox News. :)
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Where he will fit right in w/ the rest of the whack jobs.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:38 pmI thank god too. Someone who changes their story every day to suit the media pressure after making outrageous statements.
Stands in the way of progress. Just another loser.
I hope this is all you have forever. I will be quite happy.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:38 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
The radical lefties are playing right into Santelli’s hand and helping him get his message out there. :)
His message being that he’s a Republican and he thinks poor people are losers.
Yeah, still trying to figure how this backfires.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:39 pmSantelli is a COMPLETE IDIOT. This whole incident is so outrageous, i can’t even find words. Liddy and Santelli…….a pair of losers who need to STFU and find something constructive to do.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:39 pmSantelli loudly screams into the cameras “Are you listening President Obama?
Gibbs, in response to a question, assures Santelli they have heard his rant.
Santelli messes his pants.
Moral: Don’t ask questions if you can’t handle the answer.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:42 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
The radical lefties are playing right into Santelli’s hand and helping him get his message out there. :)
Of course we are.
The more that his message is heard,
the more it is understood to be absurd,
and the more likely American can be cured
of the disease it has endured.
Word.
(Eat that, Steele)
February 26th, 2009 at 12:42 pmthe fundamentals of the economy are strong
there are wmd’s and we know where they are
they will greet us as liberators
tax cuts for the rich will usher in a new era of prosperity
I think the game is over.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:43 pmAverage American Idiot, Gibbs mentioned him the next day when somebody else brought up the subject and Sansissy has been wailing for a week. You really should stop believing everything Rush tells you. It makes you seem even dumber than you obviously are.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:45 pmAverage American Patriot says:
For what exactly? For making himself look like an utter fool? For listening to the ex-con, firebombing idiot, Liddy? For what, AMP? Surely you have a good answer to that.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:45 pmGood, because I emailed CNBC and told them I wouldn’t be watching until he was gone. The guy with Matt Lauer is a regular on Morning Joe but it’s easy to stop watching him.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:46 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Good place for him since Fox News has become the poster child for bad journalism.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:49 pmhey AAP, BOO!
now go clean out your drawers
February 26th, 2009 at 12:51 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
You are a true idiot. The same type of Republican that is destroying the GOP. Keep going……it only helps the Dems, and frankly, I am loving the fact that the GOP base resembles wingnuts like yourself.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:51 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
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I hear Santelli has been offered a job at Fox News. :)
February 26th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
I suppose his idiocy will stand out a lot less in a crowd of extreme retards…….
February 26th, 2009 at 12:53 pmIt’s not a matter of who WATCHES Fox “News”
It’s who actually BELIEVES the lies they tell
February 26th, 2009 at 12:53 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
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Must be why more democrats watch Fox than any other channel, right?
February 26th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
No
It’s for the comedic relief ……….Kind of like when you drop your drawers.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:54 pmSantelli is a weasel – trying to squirm out of the idiotic comments he made last week. He agreed with Liddy. He said his kids were afraid to go to school.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:54 pmWhy can’t he just admit he is stupid, said stupid things and ask forgiveness? I know, IOKIYAR.
Average American Patriot Says:
Yet another truly stupid statement with no basis in fact.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:54 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Must be why more democrats watch Fox than any other channel, right?
WTF? Democrats are not a channel.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:55 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Must be why more democrats watch Fox than any other channel, right?
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Fox’s numbers are dwarfed by the mainstream free channels. Get real.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:57 pmRick Santelli lives in Wheaton, IL. Not the most affluent suburb of Chicago by any means but he has 4 properties in his name. I guess he’s one of those speculators. You’d think he’d worry about property values but around here the value of property hasn’t really gone down much.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:58 pmReading the transcript – I see Santelli is even a greater jerk today — he calls out the president on TV — he is offended that Gibbs called him out on TV and says he should have challenged him in person, “It would be nice if he did it face to face” — Santelli is one of those scumbags who made a fortune, which he believes entitles him to call out Obama, but he can’t take it when he gets called out — for lying and misrepresentation.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:58 pmA–hole.
Average American Patriot Says:
Must be why more democrats watch Fox than any other channel, right?
No. If I can bring myself to watch FOX, it is for one of four reasons:
1. I want to hear what the opposition says.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:59 pm2. I’m in a waiting room and have no choice.
3. I want to see if the right wing talking heads might explode over a recent issue.
4. I run out of ipecac.
Shayne Says:
Rick Santelli lives in Wheaton, IL. Not the most affluent suburb of Chicago by any means but he has 4 properties in his name.
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So… are you saying Rick has safe houses he rotates thru… so he’ll be safe… from the Admin?
February 26th, 2009 at 12:59 pmPeople who live in Wheaton, IL (old, well-established community) are pretty much in the upper middle class, it is a real Bible community, ultra-conservative.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:00 pmWell you’re the one who said he was going to Fox News. Remember Einstein?
February 26th, 2009 at 1:00 pmYou can tell that AAP cowardly suckles on the Fox Koolaid daily
wow, what an uninformed little pansy he is
February 26th, 2009 at 1:01 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
A new Pew poll completely smashes the narrative that far-left cretins have been pushing about Fox News. You constantly hear from the left that Fox News is a “right-wing propaganda outfit”
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Fox news claimed in court they had the legal right to lie… as a “news outfit”… and that defense held up.
A legal right to lie?
Whose the cretin, you disingenous buffoon?
February 26th, 2009 at 1:01 pmYour theoretical poll has a stink to it that suggests that you pulled it out of a dark, hairy orifice….
got a link or do you have to mail us the toilet paper?
February 26th, 2009 at 1:02 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Oh my. More bs. Fox News is one of the top 2 o3 media entities called out on Media Matters, which is very reliable. In point of fact, if you keep on, I will simply post links to all the lies told/mistakes made by Fox in one week alone. Only too easy to disprove your idiotic claims.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:03 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Fox’s numbers are dwarfed by the mainstream free channels. Get real.
What does that say about msnbc? :)
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I could care less what it sees about msnbc.
What it does mean is what I said: compared to the total audience out there for TV news, which is shrinking due to the Internet, Fox’s numbers are rather small.
To say Fox is the most popular channel for news is simply not true and rather absurd. You seem to take delight in falsehoods. No wonder you like Fox.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:04 pmYou got a link other than your PU poll. How about Nielsen ratings?
February 26th, 2009 at 1:05 pmAnd Below Average American Idiot, NBC-CNBC-MSNBC, do you want to compare Fox against this network?
February 26th, 2009 at 1:06 pmTwo points here:
First, Lauer makes a good point that Santelli called out the President by name, so he shouldn’t be surprised that Gibbs should call him out by name.
Second, I think there is some a perception that the administration or supporters of the administration attempt to single out opponents of the administration (those in congress that opposed the stimulus bill, rush limbaugh and now rick santelli). The responses seem to not be about the disagreements, but leveled more against the individuals.
I believe Obama and his supporters should defend their positions. But, what has seem to be happening is a singling out of opponents:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/30/nelson-stimulus-bill/
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/20/limbaugh-obama-fail/
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/24/begala-santelli-clown/
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/01/23/obama-gop-limbaugh/
It’s normal for some not to agree with the administration. The opposition is normal. Obama is strong and the progressive agenda is strong enough to overcome the objections.
But, the attacks many times seem to be less about attacking the idea and more about attacking those that are posing the objections.
I think that is a misstep.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:07 pmAAP readily believes any lie that fits in with his ideology, no matter how factually incorrect it is, nor how easily debunked it is.
AAP enjoys his ignorance because he is simply too cowardly to face facts and truth
February 26th, 2009 at 1:07 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
You mean the lies distorted with doctored quotes and video clips? Little out of context vids and clips? Those “lies?”
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Gee… these sorts of statements might have more credibility if you backed them up w/ some “proof”… got any?
February 26th, 2009 at 1:08 pmI believe you’ve been called out onetruepatriot. Crank up the links and let’s see what Average American Patriot has to say about facts.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:08 pmYou and Fox calling others out on doctored clips and quotes. Got irony?
February 26th, 2009 at 1:08 pmThe black helicopters! You can’t hear them but they are up there! Right over my house! They’re coming to take me home to Gitmo!
February 26th, 2009 at 1:09 pmbackup Says:
But, the attacks many times seem to be less about attacking the idea and more about attacking those that are posing the objections.
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You mean, the sort of nasty personal attacks BotchCo and the righty media hacks engaged in endlessly, nonstop, for eight years?
Like Michele Malkin publishly people’s phone numbers online so her Flying Monkeys could call and make death threats?
Or the Admin outting Valerie Plame as a way of retaliating against Joe Wilson?
Just asking, b-cup…
February 26th, 2009 at 1:11 pmSantelli is working off the same playbook that Limbaugh uses. The belief in Ratings at any cost, moral or ethical. His initial rant on television was a calculated grab for more air play, not many knew who this weasel was before he spewed his class war views with a backdrop of equally ethically challenged cheerleaders.
Calling Americans in trouble losers because they were bilked by unscrupulous loaners who did not care if the mortgages they wrote would go toxic. The whining that they wanted to buy their cars and foreclosed properties and his calling out the president were cynical calculations.
Santelli then made the tour on the rabid right-wing circuit when he was called on shenanigans by Gibbs. As I say he is just an attention vampire out to gain ratings.I am glad I believe in karma, so I know time wounds all heels.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:12 pmbackup Says:
I believe Obama and his supporters should defend their positions. But, what has seem to be happening is a singling out of opponents…
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This is an absurd straw man, even by your standards. You simply CANNOT reasonably equate an opinion piece on TP w/ Obama “singling out opponents”, which you just tried to do in that statement.
“Obama and his supporters”…
Whilst TP may be supportive of Obama, the site is not an official adjunct of the Admin. In addition, the threads you just linked to aren’t the sort of hate-filled, raging, over-the-top commentary you typically get from the righties…
“Let’s poison judges! Let’s string up reporters!”
Fox News, on the other hand, was a willing direct outlet for BotchCo.
They went out of their way to position themselves as the Admin’s offical media outlet… a “news channel’ that beat a lawsuit w/ the defense “we have the right to lie…”.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:17 pmI find it refreshing that rush gets called on his bullshit. Most Americans have been waiting a long time for someone to call them on it.
If they don’t want to recieve the attention, they should be more careful what they say. Obama is correct and they are wrong.
Even the gop knows it’s wrong:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20090226/pl_politico/19346
February 26th, 2009 at 1:18 pmworking on those links, AAP
February 26th, 2009 at 1:18 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Must be why more democrats watch Fox than any other channel, right?
The right wing makes the mistake of assuming that liberals watch as much or more television than conservatives. That’s why, in their minds, conservative ideas must be more popular because more people watch FNC than watch MSNBC. I think it has more to do with the fact that liberals read more books than conservatives, don’t watch as much television, and get their news from alternative sources.
And, please, don’t try to bring up the straw man argument that books by conservatives sell better than books by liberals, because the majority of sales of books by conservatives tend to be bulk sales to groups that give them away for a donation, not by individuals buying them in stores or online.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:20 pmAverage American Patriot
February 26th, 2009 at 1:20 pmSo about the vehicle and restaurant?
Santelli was on with Lauer for 40 minutes? Are you crazy?
February 26th, 2009 at 1:24 pmIn response to #87 back-up
I was just thinking about that. Although, probably not for the same reasons you stated. I think how refreshing it is for this administration to single out the bullies, the ranters etc and do it in an intelligent non-threatening way. Bullies aren’t used to being confronted and resort, just as Santelli did, to making up lies or using other people, like Santelli tried to use his wife, to defend themselves against their stupidity.
I like this new administration’s way of handling guys like Santelli.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:24 pmWayne A. Schneider Says
February 26th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
And, please, don’t try to bring up the straw man argument that books by conservatives sell better than books by liberals, because the majority of sales of books by conservatives tend to be bulk sales to groups that give them away for a donation, not by individuals buying them in stores or online.
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Most liberals I know are voracious readers and patronize their local library to quench their literary thirst, instead of buying all the books they read. This could also be a factor.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:25 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Do you really think the viewership of Today is so gullible that you can lie to their faces and get away with it?
Apparently, you do.
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Apparently, you do too… as proven by your own claim that Fox is the most popular television news channel. Every time someone quotes another person, or source, would you have them publish the entire 40 minute piece?
You’re kidding, right? And how about the way Santelli deliberately took a few words from Gibbs comments and tried to twist them so badly?
SHEEEEEEEEEESH… whattamarroon…
February 26th, 2009 at 1:25 pmdbadass Says:
Average American Patriot
So about the vehicle and restaurant?
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Since he won’t answer, I’ll do it for him…
Vehicle – cheap pair of sneakers…
Rstaurant – what ever stone-cold Sh*t Fox is serving up.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:27 pmThe argument that Fox is right because it’s ratings are so high is flawed. One has to wonder how many viewers are watching so they can counter their propaganda. Fox is the enemy of America, and we watch so we can know our enemies.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:27 pmbackup, Santelli’s original rant was how people bought houses they couldn’t afford because they wanted an extra bedroom or some crap like that. In the kind of suburb he live in that may be true but that isn’t the situation in the country. His argument was idiotic to begin with so of course he doesn’t want to discuss that any more.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:28 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
A new Pew poll completely smashes the narrative that far-left cretins have been pushing about Fox News. You constantly hear from the left that Fox News is a “right-wing propaganda outfit” and that only Republicans watch it. Clear thinking Americans have always known that to be nonsense, and a brand new Pew survey proves it.
No links, no cojones, no sense. All you can expect from a spineless turd the AAP. Flagged for irrelevancy and being O/T.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:28 pmdbadass, I hate to disagree with TRoS but my guess is when he eats out it’s at Denny’s.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:29 pmbackup, you have to admit that Obama is shrewd and he has the republicans right where he wants them. I wouldn’t bet against him right now if I were you…
February 26th, 2009 at 1:30 pmI don’t believe you really want to equate the new administration with the old.
If the argument is that Bush and company have been doing it for 8 years, so that’s how it’s going to be, there is not much I can say.
If I’m wrong about my assessment, and what’s happening is actually different, I’ll listen.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:30 pmBe careful Geezer, even when viewing for research purposes watching Fox kills brain cells. Look at what it did to AAP.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:30 pmWell backup let’s put it this way. Clinton didn’t fight back and they persecuted him. Those days are over whether you like it or not.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:31 pmbackup – extreme apologist with no sense of history or context. Specializes in broad-generalizations and bending over backwards to rationalize the actions of loud-mouthed, empty-headed conservative mouthpieces.
Who cares about the superficial input this character trades in?
On the Freeman thread a few days ago he is wary of Freeman’s supposed anti-Israel bias on the basis of two quotes from avowed Zionist neocons. Gimme a break, backup is a waste of time almost all of the time.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:31 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Most liberals I know are voracious readers and patronize their local library to quench their literary thirst, instead of buying all the books they read. This could also be a factor.
I’m the oppopsite. I buy books by liberals (so they get my money) and check books by conservatives out of the library (so their authors don’t get my money.) But that’s me.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:32 pmbackup Says:
I don’t believe you really want to equate the new administration with the old.
If the argument is that Bush and company have been doing it for 8 years, so that’s how it’s going to be, there is not much I can say.
If I’m wrong about my assessment, and what’s happening is actually different, I’ll listen.
Case in point. Mealy-mouthed moralistic crapola. I challenge anyone to find any of the same sort of paternalistic BS from backup concerning Bush WHILE he was in office.
Prove me wrong, or hit the road.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:33 pmSmelly Santelli: It doesn’t stink, believe me!
February 26th, 2009 at 1:34 pmI totally agree with tweedster….you have straw underpants.
The gop is getting what it gives, period.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:35 pmFred. I wouldn’t bet against Obama. He’s the smartest politician I witnessed without having to rely on history.
To me, he seems incredible adept. Although ideological, I differ on some significant points, I think Obama is doing a great job. I hope (and believe) his vision for America is right for the times. And I hope he succeeds in making it happen.
In terms of social policy (gay rights, racial issues, etc), I am very excited about his administration.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:35 pmFred Says:
backup, you have to admit that Obama is shrewd and he has the republicans right where he wants them. I wouldn’t bet against him right now if I were you…
typical backup retort – If Obama was sincere in changing the way things are done in Washington, I would ask him to remember the tactics Bush used that the American people disagreed with.
(Discounting the tenor of the “opposition” and basically the entire attitude of the previous administration unless it is something he can compare Obama too to illicit some sort of “debate” over his false-premise setups.)
February 26th, 2009 at 1:36 pmI am serious about this car/restaurant thing. Anytime someone uses the word average, my inner hypothesis tester emerges. If Average American Patriot doesn’t wish to be part of the dataset so be it. Please say it isn’t the Caesar salad at Applebees….
February 26th, 2009 at 1:36 pmShayne, HAR! I have been inoculated against the stupid virus, and I limit my exposure so I am safe. Besides there it does not take long until I have to change the channel or putting my boot through the picture tube.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:36 pmThanks Fred.
Backup – the quintessential concern troll.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:37 pmdbadass Says:
I am serious about this car/restaurant thing. Anytime someone uses the word average, my inner hypothesis tester emerges. If Average American Patriot doesn’t wish to be part of the dataset so be it. Please say it isn’t the Caesar salad at Applebees….
AAP is chicken shit and can’t stand behind anything he posts. Which is exactly why it is invariably BS.
Bad form AAP. Grow the stones to hold a real debate based on more than your flimsy assertions and twisted logic and then come back and try again.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:39 pmThis made me livid this morning—Santelli and Rattigan were the two biggest cheerleaders that got us into the mess we are in today. I have watched them for years on CNBC–believe me, the only thing Santelli is upset about is because the majority of the country now sees him for the ass he is—-why did he have to drag his equally stupid buddy, Darren Rattigan on to vouch for him? If you are secure in your beliefs you don’t need a sidekick to validate them for you at 7 am in the morning on Today.
I no longer watch CNBC because they are not helpful to investors–I have received far more subtantive info from Bloomberg (regretably, it is only available on extended cable).
CNBC is the network of Reagan era retreads–Santelli, Art Laffer, Larry Kudlow, Rattigan and Becky Quick. I wouldn’t believe any of them if they told me water was wet.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:39 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
A new Pew poll completely smashes the narrative that far-left cretins have been pushing about Fox News. You constantly hear from the left that Fox News is a “right-wing propaganda outfit” and that only Republicans watch it. Clear thinking Americans have always known that to be nonsense, and a brand new Pew survey proves it.
February 26th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Besides being O/T, this contains yet another straw man argument which people like Rove excelled at giving. We on the left have always known the fact that Fox News Channel is “a right-wing propaganda outfit”. That is a fact which they’ve all but admitted. But we aren’t saying “that only Republicans watch it”. That’s the straw man, which you then purport to knock down. I know that liberals also watch FNC just to get laughs at the stupid, inane, ridiculous, laughable things they say on that network. It’s not because FNC’s “product” is superior in truth or accuracy to MSNBC’s (far from it). It’s so they can yell, “What are you, an idiot?” at O’Reilly and Hannity.
And you aren’t trying to imply that you are a “clear thinking American,” are you?
February 26th, 2009 at 1:39 pmTweedster. Those quotes were highlighted in the thread. Here’s the link:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/24/freeman-national-intelligence-council/
And although I initially thought Freeman’s comments lacked objectivity, I quickly changed my mind. Here’s you commenting that the exchange was fair:
Tweedster Says:
backup Says:
February 26th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Just so you’re careful, the stoopid is insidious. I bet AAR didn’t even see it sneaking up on him, especially since he started in the remedial group.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:44 pmbackup Says:
I don’t believe you really want to equate the new administration with the old.
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You are a slippery one, I’ll give you that.
We BOTH know that’s not what I said, or meant.
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Second, I think there is some a perception that the administration or supporters of the administration attempt to single out opponents of the administration (those in congress that opposed the stimulus bill, rush limbaugh and now rick santelli). The responses seem to not be about the disagreements, but leveled more against the individuals.
I believe Obama and his supporters should defend their positions. But, what has seem to be happening is a singling out of opponents:
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This is the part of YOUR comment I replied to.
You stated, in a sneaky, duplicitous way, “the administration OR supporters of the administration attempt to single out opponents of the administration”….
Strong enough to be taken as saying “the Obama Admin is PERSONALLY attacking his opponents, but vague enough (the “OR”) to give you will room when confronted.
Nice rhetorical trick, BTW…
You then use links to various opinion pieces on TP as “proof” of these attacks…
All in all, a very nice piece of disingenuous rhetorical flimflammery.
I simply asked you a question, and gave you some truly valid examples of truly ugly personal attacks, which you didn’t reply to, BTW…
How you managed to turn that into me “equating the new administration w/ the old” is beyond me. But hey… you gotta be you.
Nice bow tie, BTW… but isn’t the smoking jacket a bit much? Still trying to make that “George Will/Hugh Hefner” thing work?
Gotta go, folks… no doubt this steaming pile of crap we all know as “b-cup” will again come back in my absence and try to totally twist my comment into something else that means the exact opposite.
Talk about your preening narcissists…
February 26th, 2009 at 1:44 pmCNBC is trying to be “fair and balanced”, as I heard one of them say today, but Santelli is still smarting from his put down. He needs to become a journalist, and work at that for the near future, regain some figment of credibility.
As for CNBC, I welcome their move to “F&B”, but when their commentators throw out such comments as: ” I hate to see the govt picking the winners and losers” in reference to a meeting govt/Citicorp, I cringe. His implication is that there are some private enterprise winners. Guy, read your own news!! The banks are all losers, and the govt has to pick some winners or we will all be totally in the bag. We need a banking system, and you unrestrained capitalism guys got it wrong. Take your damned medicine, maybe you and the banks can recover, and we will look up someday to see the the US has survived, and govt helped.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:44 pmbackup Says:
You mean, the sort of nasty personal attacks BotchCo and the righty media hacks engaged in endlessly, nonstop, for eight years?
I don’t believe you really want to equate the new administration with the old.
If the argument is that Bush and company have been doing it for 8 years, so that’s how it’s going to be, there is not much I can say.
If I’m wrong about my assessment, and what’s happening is actually different, I’ll listen.
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i don’t think he did.
i think you (once again) conflated
his statement you suit your needs.
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did you take my advice and read
greenwald’s article?
why do you persist in these
kinds of tactics? why do you
try to mislead people? santelli
lied about what gibbs said.
the administration has every right to
call him out on it.
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go to hell and take your
false equivalencies with you.
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“misstep” on that, pal.
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February 26th, 2009 at 1:46 pmAverage American Parrot Says: 17
Average American Parrot=MORON too stupid to be believed.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:46 pmSean Hannity=propagandistic moron almost as stupid as Average American Parrot
Fred. This is a totally reasonable position, if you’re okay with the idea that the new administration is not really different than the old (with the exception of ideology). And, as long as you understand that kind of cycle continually repeats.
I can’t argue with that.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:46 pmSantelli is basically highly embarrassed that his stupidity was pointed out by the government, and not just discussed on “leftist blogs.” The only thing that’s threatened is his own sense of entitlement and invulnerability. What a wuss.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:47 pmbackup @ 127
Thanks for proving my point again.
I don’t need to revisit your tactic of setting up loose arguments with the appearance of objectivity when you don’t even make the necessary effort to gain an objective view.
Sorry, I’ve had my share, thanks.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:47 pmFred, listen to backup, you had better understand the ramifications of what you just said!!!
Stuff your concern.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:49 pmwinddancer Says:
Santelli is basically highly embarrassed that his stupidity was pointed out by the government, and not just discussed on “leftist blogs.” The only thing that’s threatened is his own sense of entitlement and invulnerability. What a wuss.
Did you catch his hushed tones on G. Gordon Liddy describing how threatened his family felt? As if Robert Gibbs was going to pop out of an alleyway and break his kneecaps or something. Seriously, it was the height of pathetic.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:50 pmAverage American Parrot Says:
The radical lefties are playing right into Santelli’s hand and helping him get his message out there. :)
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Wow the stupid is very strong in you. The brainwashing has total control of your substandard little peabrain. What message would that be? That he is an idiot and cant really understand the English language that well or that he is a bedwetting drama queen that has the relevance of vanilla ice cream? You really dont DO reality do you?
February 26th, 2009 at 1:50 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Must be why more democrats watch Fox than any other channel, right?
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They dont that is a lie. You are a liar and a fool.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:52 pmjoe. We still disagree, but we have made progress. Your cryptic double spaced posts, shrouded in mysticism, have evolved into double spaced postings that are real dialogue that people can understand and appreciate.
I was watching a movie last night and it made me think about you coming out of your shell:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YWyCCJ6B2WE
We’re getting there. I won’t give up on you.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:54 pmAside the fact that JK leaves out the fact that Obama didn’t craft the spending bill, he is a bold-faced idiot.
JK, if you are really concerned about earmarks, let us see the tally of who requested what earmarks and where, not just your cherry-picked statements, and then we can discuss who is requesting what and how that should be handled.
You won’t I know, probably because you can’t, but also because you’ll probably see how much pork the remaining Republicans injected into the spending bill.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:56 pmbackup:
We’re getting there. I won’t give up on you.
Add condescension to the heady concern troll brew backup serves while he posts here.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:57 pmHi John Kerry:
I’ll admit they are IQF but what about some deepfried softshell crab? Come on John Kerry there is no reason to be afraid. People misread your bold dump and runs as sissy stuff. I know you aren’t a sissy John but how can they tell? You really must pull up a chair and join us sometime.
February 26th, 2009 at 1:58 pmAverage American Parrot Says: 73
It really is impressive how stupid you are. Far beyond normal stoopid. Way into uncharted new territories of stupid. A poll can only gauge opinion. Fox is most DEFINITLY a propagand network. It always has been. It is its function. That you can even pretend to say a poll proves different just shows how monumentally ignorant you are. I have never heard anyone say that only republicans watch Fox. Make sure you dont smoke next to the idiotic strawmen you create they are a fire hazard
February 26th, 2009 at 1:59 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Fox’s numbers are dwarfed by the mainstream free channels. Get real.
What does that say about msnbc? :)
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Ah nothing. You really are stupid.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:01 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Sean Hannity=propagandistic moron almost as stupid as Average American Parrot
:)
Smirking coward – no wonder W. is probably your hero.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:01 pmTweedster Says:
backup:
We’re getting there. I won’t give up on you.
Add condescension to the heady concern troll brew backup serves while he posts here.
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and patronizing.
:)
but, we do have our good friend
jk to translate backup’s scree for us:
John Kerry Says:
How about after only a few months of Brotha O being elected and assuming “presidency”!! Try the stock market losing more than 2000 points.
And if you really want to laugh even more, try the Barrack Bullshit lie about no more earmarks!!
“We need earmark reform,” Obama said in September during a presidential debate in Oxford, Miss. “And when I’m president, I will go line by line to make sure that we are not spending money unwisely.”
This spending bill is riddled with thousands of earmarks, despite his calls for restraint and efforts on Capitol Hill to curtail the practice.
The bill will contain about 9,000 earmarks totaling $5 billion!! Many of the earmarks — loosely defined as local projects inserted by members of Congress — were inserted last year as the spending bills worked their way through various committees.
* $200,000 for “Tattoo Removal Violence Prevention Outreach Program,” pg. 283;
*Maine lobster earmark in the omnibus, pg. 173;
*$5.8 million earmark for the “Ted Kennedy Institute for the Senate…for the planning and design of a building & an endowment,” pg. 232;
*and National Council of La Raza, $473,000 earmark from Sens. Bingaman and Menendez, pg. 212.
Want more??
The Barack Bullshit Continues!
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but wait there’s more.
backup misrepresents both fred
and the administration in one fell swoop!
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backup Says:
The gop is getting what it gives, period.
Fred. This is a totally reasonable position, if you’re okay with the idea that the new administration is not really different than the old (with the exception of ideology). And, as long as you understand that kind of cycle continually repeats.
I can’t argue with that.
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i can.
:)
February 26th, 2009 at 2:04 pmTweedster. point taken. But, did you ever consider that calling someone a troll might be condescending?
February 26th, 2009 at 2:05 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
onetruepatriot
You mean the lies distorted with doctored quotes and video clips? Little out of context vids and clips? Those “lies?”
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YOU are a liar. The site NEVER doctors quote or video clips you lying ignorant piece of dogshite. You think that you just spew lies and anyone is going to take you seriously. Media Matters ALWAYS gives context and backs up everything they say. You are a liar and a fool. Exactly what do you hope to accomplish by just lying every other post?
February 26th, 2009 at 2:05 pmbackup Says:
Add condescension to the heady concern troll brew backup serves while he posts here.
Tweedster. point taken. But, did you ever consider that calling someone a troll might be condescending?
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i’ll answer that.
no.
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my turn.
do you know what a concern troll is?
read all about it.
:)
February 26th, 2009 at 2:10 pmbackup Says:
Add condescension to the heady concern troll brew backup serves while he posts here.
Tweedster. point taken. But, did you ever consider that calling someone a troll might be condescending?
Stop posting as a troll and I’ll stop referring to you as such.
I don’t preemptively make judgments on situations or people until I start to see some evidence supporting my eventual attitude. Much unlike your handling of the Freeman thread and your conclusion based on a superficial reading of the topic.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:11 pmAverage American Patriot Says: 95
My GOD you are ignorant. You have got to be the stupidest piece of garbage I have ever seen. What is more you insult OUR intelligence with your stupidity. That making arguments this patently ignorant even MIGHT be taken seriously is just flat out insulting if YOU really believe the stupidity in your post 95 then get help. I suggest a second grade logic class. They started where it was RELEVANT. What is give are the quotes and the context. They cant put up the entire show you insufferable MORON. The fair use clause would never cover that. My GOD you are stupid. Cough up an EXAMPLE of them taking something OUT OF CONTEXT or admit you are not just stupid beyond belief but an out and out LIAR. I mean we already KNOW you are a liar but if you cant back your stupid BS up just ADMIT you are a liar.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:11 pmBecause, as everyone knows, ideology is insignificant, really.
As TRoS said, B-cup, “you gotta be you.”
February 26th, 2009 at 2:12 pmThat’s it John Kerry. You can do it
February 26th, 2009 at 2:13 pmJohn Kerry Says:
Hey, the buck STOPS with the Messiah!!
You are an epic failure JK. Where did you go to cut’n'paste your talking points for today?
February 26th, 2009 at 2:13 pmbackup,
more from jk and
the southern strategy:
John Kerry Says:
Hey, the buck STOPS with the Messiah!!
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condescending or
just racist?
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February 26th, 2009 at 2:14 pmjoe. I’m sorry. I didn’t realize you still had the gloves on.
I liked you better when you were dishing it out.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:14 pmJK you racist piece of ignorant garbage. I see after getting humilated and having the floor mopped with your stupidity you have given up even TRYING to discuss and gone back to your COWARDLY hit and run stupidity. Sad but clearly you are far too ignorant to do anything else. Good luck with your stupidity and irrelvance.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:15 pmYou mean the message that he was full of crap when he said the Obama administration was threatening him?
February 26th, 2009 at 2:15 pmThank joe.
But, you know, I see what you are trying to do with your semi-cryptic posts, but frankly I am deeply troubled that your usage of double-spacing really screws up the “flow” and “feel” of the thread. It could lead to eye strain if left unchecked.
I think JK is onto something with his bold type, but to each his own. SIgh…
February 26th, 2009 at 2:15 pm/concern troll
And the STUPID stop with ignorant propaganda parrots like YOU JK. It must suck to be as ignorant as you and only be able to parrot what you were told to believe. A mind is a terrible thing to turn over to the Limborg.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:19 pmI didn’t realize that Troll JK was an evangelical.
Kinda makes sense though. I bet he’s got a Jesus fish on his Hyndai.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:20 pmAverage American Parrot loves to parade his abject stupidity. JK IS a racist. JK LIKES being a racist. JK doesnt even TRY to hide his racism. In the same way YOU dont even TRY to hide your stupidity. Remember not to smoke near these stupid strawman arguments you like to construct. You should be close to populating a small strawman city by now.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:21 pm“Help, Help, I’m bein’ repressed!” seems to be the talking point du jour for the wingnuts and their media stooges when anyone calls them on their bullshit. I’ve seen it from conservatrolls on a half dozen blogs: any response by the Obama administration (or by posters on the blog for that matter)=repression=fascism. One can’t help but wonder if some memo made the rounds of wingnuttia instructing them to scream that their free speech right are being violated when someone else exercises theirs.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:22 pmI’m afraid joe would have to throw it in reverse to keep up with you.
Anyone who posts racist things has to be a racist.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:23 pmAverage American Parrot loves to parade his abject stupidity.
AAP is clearly a troll and you’re playing his game.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:23 pmJohn Kerry Says:
How can ANY of you libs defend this ridiculous spending bill as being ANY kind of “stimulus”???
You frame the spending bill as ridiculous but offer no counter-point.
You need to defend your stance as credible and something more than a partisan attack before it gains any credence to even be addressed.
Explain what is so ridiculous about it and what you would like to see done and then there is a debate to be had.
All you really ever do is mock and throw jibes.
You don’t have any fully fledged ideas of your own apparently, so explaining things to you doesn’t work.
Express your opinion in more detail and we can go from there.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:27 pmTweedster. I don’t know what you are saying here. Sorry. I’ve got some whacked out ideas, but I really believe them. I’ve changed my mind about many things since I’ve been here. But, I still have things I disagree with.
Where I get into trouble here, is that when I believe something, I speak up. Even when it’s not popular. And I will defend my beliefs.
If you’ve got information or you can explain something to me to change my mind, I’ll listen. I’ve done it before.
The Freeman thread? I looked at the quotes (provided by TP) of Freeman, Rosen, and Gaffney. Initially, I looked at the quotes and could see how someone might see Freeman’s quote and consider them biased.
We debated it, and I change my mind.
Isn’t that the idea? Debating issues to come to a better understanding.
It’s difficult to deal with someone that doesn’t believe the way that you do. I understand. But, how much progress is made when you deliver a beautiful speech to the choir?
February 26th, 2009 at 2:27 pmJK how can any of you ignorant parrots of the right just parrot the stupidity Rush puts in your head and even PRETEND to have self respect. You have already proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are stupid. That you NEVER know what you are talking about and that parroting the Limborg propaganda is all you can possibly do. We already TRIED the rightwing cut taxes on the rich and deregulate everthing in sight prescription. IT WAS A DISASTER. Time to try something else. Sorry you are far too stupid to think for yourself but really ignorance and stupidity on YOUR part doesnt constitute a problem on OUR part
February 26th, 2009 at 2:28 pmbackup,
can’t answer a simple question?
here i’ll post the wikipedia answer for
you. see if the shoe fits.
(pay close attention to what saul alinsky writes.
it’s as if he knows you!)
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A concern troll is a false flag pseudonym created by a user whose actual point of view is opposed to the one that the user’s sockpuppet claims to hold. The concern troll posts in web forums devoted to its declared point of view and attempts to sway the group’s actions or opinions while claiming to share their goals, but with professed “concerns”. The goal is to sow fear, uncertainty and doubt within the group.[12]
For example, in 2006 Tad Furtado, a top staffer for then-Congressman Charlie Bass (R-NH), was caught posing as a “concerned” supporter of Bass’s opponent, Democrat Paul Hodes, on several liberal New Hampshire blogs, using the pseudonyms “IndieNH” or “IndyNH.” “IndyNH” expressed concern that Democrats might just be wasting their time or money on Hodes, because Bass was unbeatable.[13]
A recently declassified World War II manual on sabotage recommends such techniques to derail any effective action: “Advocate ‘caution.’ Be ‘reasonable’ and urge your fellow-conferees to be ‘reasonable’ and avoid haste which might result in embarrassments or difficulties later on… Be worried about the propriety of any decision — raise the question of whether such action as is contemplated lies within the jurisdiction of the group or whether it might conflict with the policy of some higher echelon.” [14]
Although the term “concern troll” originated in discussions of online behavior, it now sees increasing use to describe similar behaviors that take place offline.
For example, James Wolcott in Vanity Fair[15] accused a conservative New York Daily News columnist of “concern troll” behavior in his efforts to downplay the Mark Foley scandal. Wolcott links what he calls concern trolls to Saul Alinsky’s “Do-Nothings,” giving a long quote from Alinsky on the Do-Nothing’s method and effects:
These Do-Nothings profess a commitment to social change for ideals of justice, equality, and opportunity, and then abstain from and discourage all effective action for change. They are known by their brand, ‘I agree with your ends but not your means.’
In a more recent example, The Hill published an op-ed piece titled “Dems: Ignore ‘Concern Trolls’.” Again, the concern trolls in question were not Internet participants; they were Republicans offering public advice and warnings to the Democrats. The author defines “concern trolling” as “offering a poisoned apple in the form of advice to political opponents that, if taken, would harm the recipient.”[16]
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backup?
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February 26th, 2009 at 2:28 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Yes because anyone who disagrees HAS to be a troll…..
You can disagree all you want, but you never even quantify your disagreement. It is really an ineffective way to express your opinion.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:28 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Yes because anyone who disagrees HAS to be a troll…..
Seriously, do you believe the WH was threatening Santelli?
If so, what the hell does that have to do with your Pew poll you never took time to cite?
You post hollow BS with NO substance and then expect to NOT be called a troll?
Get real dude.
Disagree away, but put some brainpower behind it.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:30 pmbackup, does your artless stab at manipulation work with anybody, other than your mother of course who still lets you piss all over her basement?
February 26th, 2009 at 2:30 pmThe Needle Says:
Average American Parrot loves to parade his abject stupidity.
AAP is clearly a troll and you’re playing his game.
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Well that is your opinion. Mine is that ignoring the stupid parrots on the right didnt do the left a whole lot of good when we tried it the first decade or so Ann Coulter and Rush Limbaugh showed up and trollstabbing is a moral imperative. MY opinion is its time for the left to SHOW we will fight back in whatever arena they choose. They want to talk facts in the debate halls of Harvard they wont stand a chance which is WHY they chose the alleys. The ones some liberals think they are too superior to fight them in. I am willing to follow them into the alley and fight them there too.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:31 pmJK, Most progressives don’t believe in a “messiah”. You’re confusing us with your bible thumping, speaking in tongues, playing with snakes cancervative peers.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:32 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
Yes because anyone who disagrees HAS to be a troll…..
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well you’re no tad furtado
that’s true.
but then again…
:)
February 26th, 2009 at 2:32 pmGood Job there John Kerry. Next step is to ease up on the bold. Your usage is excessive. Next we will work on how to select a smaller brush. I realize you are in your comfort zone with absurd generalizations of ideology but I can help you to transition to independent thought in time…
February 26th, 2009 at 2:32 pmJohn Kerry Says:
Want more??
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Well damn… JK DOES know how to read after all…
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The bill will contain about 9,000 earmarks totaling $5 billion!! Many of the earmarks — loosely defined as local projects inserted by members of Congress — were inserted last year as the spending bills worked their way through various committees.
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Any idea how many were inserted by the same GOOPers screaming they WON’T TAKE THAT TAINTED MONEY? Just asking…
$5 Billion… lemme see… this is gonna take more’n jes my pinkies ta count out…
***TRos untyoing shoes and taking off socks…***
Well… thas 55% of the NINE BILLION DOLLARS that simply disappeared in Iraq… you know, the pallets of one dollar bills BotchCo had shipped over for the “reconstruction”. mebbe some of those hunnerd dollar bills ended up in those footballs Halliburton employees were tossing around.
$5 billion is also LESS than the cost of ONE WEEK of BotchCo’s bloody Iraq misadventure…
And finally, $5 billion is equal to .1% (one tenth of a percent) of the accumulated deficit Botch managed to run up in 8 years. One Tenth of One Percent.
And it stays in the the country, to boot.
You still around, JK?
February 26th, 2009 at 2:33 pmJK
February 26th, 2009 at 2:34 pmWhy are you Cancervatives so suddenly concerned about money???
Average American Parrot
You are a liar and a fool and a particularly ignorant one at that. Reading JKs post calling Obama a brotha is CLEARLY a racist bit of stupidity. One from a poster with a long HISTORY of racist ignorance. Either you are determined to NOT see it because you LIKE racism or you are just plain stupid. I know you ARE just plain stupid so it COULD be both.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:34 pmJohn Kerry Says:
What will it do to stimulate the country??
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Geez, JK… it’s certainly stimulated you…
February 26th, 2009 at 2:35 pmectoendomezo Says:
Sorry..that last was..admittedly..long..so..here it is CONDENSED..my final respnse to..Santelli..joe the Plumber..(by the way..Joe..as a “Plumber” all you really need to know is..Shit rolls down hill…Payday is Friday..and Don’t eat with your fingers..step away from the economy..or we will be forced to shoot..)..and..finally..to..AAP..a simple..and typical Hystrionic loving hater of self determination..free will..the true enemy of “Conservatives”
“George W. understood stupid people well. They were not dumb, their minds were not physically crippled in any way. They had chosen to be stupid because that offered its own kind of power. To win a great many small contests of will, they needed only to ignore all evidence. Bright people would break down trying to argue with them.” It’s like trying to reason with a box of rocks. If Rove’s vision of a permanent Republican majority comes to rotten fruition, America may well devolve into the moronic dystopia of Mike Judge’s movie Idiocracy—a mentally handicapped superpower buried under a mountain of garbage where the Fox News Channel is the sole source of information.”
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thanks for the “idiocracy” reference.
remember the led clock tower that
kept blinking “12:00″?
and don’t forget:
“Brawndo’s got electrolytes!”
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February 26th, 2009 at 2:38 pmDo you know what a “stimulus” bill is supposed to do?
Doesn’t seem like it.
It’s supposed to create economic activity via government spending, replacing consumer spending that has gone dormant.
What part of that do you not understand? Most of it? All of it?
Evcer hear of psychological projection, Troll JK? That’s where some mentally disturbed person (say… you) projects his own subconscious fears and flaws (such as… authoritarian hero-worship) onto others as a means of dealing with them.
See, authoritarian hero-worship is primarily a feature of the Right. But because you guys realize that it’s not cool, you figure you’ll try to tag us with it.
Not working.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:39 pmjoe. you got me. I’m using a ‘recently declassified World War II manual on sabotage’ to ‘recommend techniques to derail any effective action’.
That would make sense, if it couldn’t also be applied to the ‘concerns’ of code pink in the run up to the Iraq War.
Keep working on it, my friend.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:39 pmJK 190 tatoo removal is a way to erase gang affiliations. It will stimulate the economy by providing good jobs to stem the bleeding that has been effecting employment in the country. We lost half a million jobs in November alone. It will stimulate the economy by fixing an ailing infrastructure to make our economy work more efficiently. IT will stimulate the economy by putting money into the basic research to make us the leaders in green technology that we can manufacture and export. In short it will stimulate the economy in many of the same ways rural electrification stimulated the economy.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:40 pmThat’s right EugeneDebs. And you’re not alone. We played nice and they stymied Clinton in many ways that could have really helped this country. We played nice and W stole the presidency from Gore. You can only play nice when you are dealing with decent human beings and the right is definitely indecent.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:40 pmSorry, I don’t hear Santelli backing off at all. Lauer, in his usual lame-itude, makes a weak attempt to walk Santelli back, but Santelli keeps on whining about his wife, his kids, his neighbors quaking in their boots because Big Bad Bob Gibbs invited Santelli for a cup of joe, while his friend complains that “everyone in America” is outraged at this supposed big giveaway to “losers.” Santelli makes me sick & I’m getting pretty sick of the networks’ overindulgence of these right-wing crackpots.
The Constant Weader at http://www.RealityChex.com
February 26th, 2009 at 2:42 pmThat’s JK “stimulated”. That’s sad.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:44 pmGood Job John Kerry.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:44 pmNow here is the place where you establish some street cred by explaining your expertise in the area of economics. See the thing is about this whole “socialist stimulus” thing is that you weren’t all “bold” about it when the Bush crew was handing out your dollars.
John Kerry Says:
OK, now, if any of you can, stop the name calling and start DEFENDING your Messiah!
Do you expect to be taken seriously? You’ve established a reputation for yourself by:
Stealing the honorable name of a war hero.
Typing your usual fly-by comments in bold, as though this made them more weighty.
Referring to our president as “the Messiah”; only your fellow wingnuts do that, and it’s a really good way to brand yourself as a jerk.
Oh, and of course, hurling insults like monkeys hurl feces.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:52 pmJohn Kerry Says:
Hey Tweedster
I have ALREADY mentioned a few things like TATOO REMOVAL!! But if you really want a full list I’ll gladly supply one. But why not discuss this one thing for now. Or I should say….why not DEFEND this great stimulus affect on the economy! What will it do to stimulate the country??
It will help former gang members disassociate with their former crews and give them better opportunities to get a job, relocate and avoid returning to their former gangs. This in turn will help lower levels of recidivism and returns to violent gang activity which will lower the cost of housing inmates which in turn will aid in the process of revitalizing neighborhoods with a history of gangs as it allows people a way out of the vicious cycle of gang life.
Now, aside from this miniscule provision, what do you suggest we do to revitalize the economy and start moving the country in the right direction?
February 26th, 2009 at 2:54 pmI’ll try it again, ok. How does removing tatoos help to STIMULATE the economy?
If you had the “I’m With Chimpy” one removed, YOU MIGHT GET A JOB!
Are those minority short-pants starting to chafe? You look like Little Lord Fauntleroy…
February 26th, 2009 at 2:55 pmJK good start. You should label ALL your posts stupidity. You DID get substance but since it wasnt phrased in the Limborg hivemind bites that are all your limited intelligence can begin to understand you just didnt see them. You are stupid JK. You really ought to just use stupid as your nick. The left doesnt DO hero worship. That is just you regurgitating what Rush has instructed you to believe and since you are far to stupid to ever let a talking point die no matter how ignorant it is. You are stuck making a fool out of yourself regurgitating it and showing just how incredibly stupid you are. You GOT substantial replies. You are unable to respond to them for the obvious reason your intellectual shortcomings. This is obvious to everyone so give up the pretense you are doing anything other than trolling.
February 26th, 2009 at 2:55 pmWell JK, now it is your turn. What would you do to stimulate the economy and why?
February 26th, 2009 at 2:58 pmbackup Says:
backup?
joe. you got me. I’m using a ‘recently declassified World War II manual on sabotage’ to ‘recommend techniques to derail any effective action’.
That would make sense, if it couldn’t also be applied to the ‘concerns’ of code pink in the run up to the Iraq War.
Keep working on it, my friend.
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cute smear on code pink.
they post here all the time, don’t they?
and of course god knows where we’d be if
they had actually stopped the invasion of iraq.
(careful backup, your troll mask is slipping.)
and then there’s the man who quoted limbaugh
in full context who is now taking quotes out of context.
you jumped over a few things so i’ll reprint them
for you here:
Although the term “concern troll” originated in discussions of online behavior, it now sees increasing use to describe similar behaviors that take place offline.
For example, James Wolcott in Vanity Fair[15] accused a conservative New York Daily News columnist of “concern troll” behavior in his efforts to downplay the Mark Foley scandal. Wolcott links what he calls concern trolls to Saul Alinsky’s “Do-Nothings,” giving a long quote from Alinsky on the Do-Nothing’s method and effects:
These Do-Nothings profess a commitment to social change for ideals of justice, equality, and opportunity, and then abstain from and discourage all effective action for change. They are known by their brand, ‘I agree with your ends but not your means.’
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you didn’t respond to that piece, did you backup?
too close for comfort?
i think edward r. murrow said it best in his
televised response to joe mccarthy:
Last week, Senator McCarthy appeared on this program to correct any errors he might have thought we made in our report of March 9th. Since he made no reference to any statements of fact that we made, we must conclude that he found no errors of fact. He proved again that anyone who exposes him, anyone who does not share his hysterical disregard for decency and human dignity and the rights guaranteed by the Constitution, must be either a Communist or a fellow traveler.
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good night and good luck, backup.
:)
February 26th, 2009 at 2:59 pmJK, scroll up and read my answer.
Then answer my question.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:00 pmJK you ignorant punk Why are you such a bedwetting jerk? Did you REALLY tell US to stop calling you names after YOUR namecalling and outright obnoxiousness? How pathetic can you get? A six year old girl would be ashamed to snivel so pathetically that WE treat you the way YOU treat us. I already explained a reason for the tatoo removal. Say you have a Crip affiliated tatoo and live in Pico Rivera (East LA) First you arent going to be hired by a decent employer and just moving wont do you any good. You are marked. YOU are stuck IF you get it removed and move to Long Beach then get a job as a Longshoreman you can CHANGE YOUR LIFE and become a constructive memeber of society. These gangs are violent and scary and they dont just let you stop but they arent the CIA if you ARENT branded and leave you CAN get out. I am sure you dont really CARE if those who have made mistakes like joining a gang ever get help. The things is America is full of DECENT people who WOULD like to help if we can.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:03 pmJohn Kerry Says:
Stupidity
Really fantastic replies!! As usual, nothing substantial from you but hey, with “stupidity” in your name, what can one expect??
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Excuse me? Nothing substantial? Did I not break those numbers down in a way that apparently everyone BUT YOU can understand?
Have you figured out how much of that $5B you’re wetting yourself over, which is indeed ONE TENTH OF ONE PERCENT of Botch’s accumulated deficit over the last eight years, was earmarked by GOOPers, who will tke that moeny while whininng about Dems’ spending?
How does tattoo removal stimulate the economy? Well… that money will be spent in THIS COUNTRY, and not overseas, for one thing. It will certainly help young people distance thesmelves for that lifestyle, which will result in less gang activity, less trips to the emergency room, less activity in courts and jails…
It’s kinda like money spent on family planning. I know… I know… THAT’S not your problem… prolly haven’t been near a non-inflatable woman in YEARS, huh?
Statistics bear out the premise that every dollar spent PREVENTING teen pregnancies saves, what, 4 or 5 down the road, when a pregnancy is NOT prevented, including the abortions you righties decry so badly.
How much money did BotchCo waste on abstinence only programs?
I believe the tattoo removal program you’re wetting yourself over was for what… $200K? Considering the overall size of the bill, YOUR personal tax contribution is prolly somewhere in the pennies on that one, JK.
Post your home address and I will personally refund your portion of that earmark, okay?
BTW, did you go ovr Botch’s spending bills like this?
Or was that all okay w/ you?
February 26th, 2009 at 3:07 pmJust to take a few of your long list. Hollywood is a VERY productive industry for America. We rake in BILLIONS of dollars from foriegn markets every year from movies. The TV converter will help poor people. We project on OUR airwaves analog and it WILL change to digital. Those who cannot afford to buy new TVs will be unable to watch broadcasts over THEIR airwaves. The Smithstonian? REALLY are you complaining about one of the worlds MOST important and coveted museums that is provided FREE OF CHARGE to all Americans. You just made a list. You didnt even SAY why these are bad investmenst. You are a punk and only post as an excuse to call Obama names since you are a racist moron. And attack us. You havent thought out ANYTHING. You CANT, You are too stupid. Rush TOLD you it was bad and the only thing you are capable of after a Rush instruction is to do what you are programmed to do which is mostly show how stupid you are.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:09 pmJust Kidding says:
QUESTION: How can ANY of the earmarks below STIMULATE this economy:
* A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.
More movies, more jobs, more revenue.
* $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.
More viewers, more commercials
* $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.
Construction jobs
* $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.
More jobs
* $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.
Less reliance on gas, more money
* $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD’s.
Decrease cost of healthcare.
* $125 million for the Washington sewer system.
Again, more jobs.
* $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities.
See above
* $75 million for “smoking cessation activities.”
No brainer, better health, decrease cost of healthcare
* $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.
Less gas, more money
* $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.
Less cost for health care
* $500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River
More jobs.
* $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.
More jobs
* $6 billion to turn federal buildings into “green” buildings.
More jobs, less fuel
* $650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands.
Less cost for natural disasters when prevented
* $88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service.
More jobs
* $5.5 million for “energy efficiency initiatives” at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration.
More jobs, less reliability of fuel costs
* $850 million for Amtrak.
More jobs, better transportation to major cites, less gas.
* $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.
Reduce the cost of healthcare
* $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems.
More jobs, more efficient farming, lessening costs of produce and such.
Seriously, this are elementary answers, and should not have even been questioned.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:12 pmBut more power to ya, Just Kidding
John Kerry Says:
Failure to answer will prove that the Messiah’s Bullshit Bill is just that!!!
GOOD LUCK!!
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Geez, guys… I had NO IDEA we were dealing w/ someone who’s view and opinions were… were… SO POWERFUL and omniscient.
The tax breaks for Hollywood?
Isn’t that JUST ABOUT ALL the Congressional GOOPers wanted to do…?
CUT TAXES!!! CUT TAXES!!! CUT TAXES!!!
Why are more and more and more tax cuts for the wealthy the ticket, BUT tax breaks for Hollywood, a no no??
I’d have thought the mere idea of more tax breaks would bring to orgasm, JK.
Certainly none of the normal “stimuli” do.
Do you have any idea how many BILLIONS of dollars of film production money has gone overseas in the last twenty years?
All the money you’re wetting yourself over will be spent in this country. It will put Americans to work. American businesses will be supplying the materials and products.
What is your problem w/ Americans helping Americans?
February 26th, 2009 at 3:13 pm209:
Most of those items you list will make for more efficient and more effective government spending. Admittedly it is upfront spending but it is upfront spending which will most likely result in reduced expenditures later thus allowing those sayings to be invested into a new and vibrant economy.
So about those softshell crabs?
February 26th, 2009 at 3:13 pmEvery single one of those activities will employ people, help the environment, contribute to energy independence, or all of the above. Who do you think’s going to build the DHS headquarters or the DC sewer system? Elves? Do you think lead based paint just magically peeled itself off the walls?
February 26th, 2009 at 3:15 pmTweedster
Aren’t you capable of answering ONE question? Maybe that one was too confusing so, just because of people like you and Mr STupidity, here are some more goodies. Hey …just pick one, ok!!
QUESTION: How can ANY of the earmarks below STIMULATE this economy:
* A $246 million tax break for Hollywood movie producers to buy motion picture film.
Film makes itself? Strange!
* $650 million for the digital television converter box coupon program.
* $448 million for constructing the Department of Homeland Security headquarters.
Nobody will be employed to build the headquarters?
* $248 million for furniture at the new Homeland Security headquarters.
I’m sure nobody will coordinate the import of the furniture if it is bought from overseas, and if it isn’t , I’m sure the furniture will construct itself.
* $600 million to buy hybrid vehicles for federal employees.
Again, nobody actually will manufacture these cars. But then again, having them be more energy efficient will be a detriment to gas stations everywhere?
* $400 million for the Centers for Disease Control to screen and prevent STD’s.
Nobody will be hired to screen people for STD’s. No scientists will be employed to study preventative techniques. No unneccessary medical expenses will be prevented by keeping people healthy.
* $125 million for the Washington sewer system.
The sewer system will repair itself. No savings from upgrading the sewers could occur from potential flood damage and.or disease outbreak caused by faulty and out-dated sewer lines.
* $150 million for Smithsonian museum facilities.
Nobody will be employed to maintain and/or improve these facilities.
* $75 million for “smoking cessation activities.”
No money will be saved by trying to prevent smoking and the subsequent medical expenses.
* $200 million for public computer centers at community colleges.
Nobody will have to install the computers. No students will be able to learn more effectively with up-to-date equiptment. An educated workforce will not go on to earn more money in their lifetimes.
* $25 million for tribal alcohol and substance abuse reduction.
Nobody will be hired for counseling/treatment purposes. No benefits will occur be preventing the disruptive effects of alcholosim on the indivudual and thei community at large.
* $500 million for flood reduction projects on the Mississippi River.
No body will be employed to enact flood reduction projects like constructing levees and dams that are state of the art. No money will be saved by avoiding flood damage to surrounding infrastructure.
* $10 million to inspect canals in urban areas.
Nobody will be employed to inspect the canals. No health benefits will be had by making sure healthy water is provided to our citizens, saving medical costs down the line.
* $6 billion to turn federal buildings into “green” buildings.
Nobody will be employed to retrofit these buildings. No savings will occur by making these buildings energy efficient.
* $650 million for wildland fire management on forest service lands.
Nobody will be employed to fight and prevent forest fires. No money will be saved by preventing fire damage.
* $88 million for renovating the headquarters of the Public Health Service.
Nobody will be hired to renovate the HG.
* $5.5 million for “energy efficiency initiatives” at the Department of Veterans Affairs National Cemetery Administration.
Nobody will be employed to oversee and enact these initiatives. No savings will occur by making these buildings energy efficient.
* $850 million for Amtrak.
Nobody will be employed by expanding rail service. No environmental impace will be felt by reducing our dependency on car travel.
* $100 million for reducing the hazard of lead-based paint.
Nobody will be employed to figure out how to do this. No health benefits will be seen by reducing the dangers of lead-based paint. Nobody will be employed to remove lead-beased paint from exisitng buildings.
* $110 million to the Farm Service Agency to upgrade computer systems
February 26th, 2009 at 3:16 pmNobody will be employed to update these systems. No effect will be gained by making the FSA more efficient and timely in processing requests.
There you go JK. Oh, and for the digital converter program, no cable company works will be employed to enact the nationwide upgrade.
Right?
You are an idiot.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:17 pmDamn JK, you got OWNED. I’m feeling SOOOOOO BOLD now baby!!! YOU GOT NOTHING!!! What ideas you have to stimulate the economy? HAHAHA – that was a trick question because you don’t have ANYTHING!!!!!!! BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA
February 26th, 2009 at 3:20 pmBye JK. You coward.
I usually ignore this fool (for the most part) but now I think we just need to flag him on sight. He is either O/T or disruptive and doesn’t do anything constructive on this sight except expose how twisted and idiotic his logic is.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:21 pmJohn Kerry:
May I be so bold as to say that it looks like you have been pwned yet again. Still I and I am sure many others are proud of your effort to look less like a colossal pussy by actually posting more than once. Sorry you got spanked but please return another day to try again. You might wanna consider my advice as to the bold thing.
cheers-
I take it you don’t like softshell crab. Pity as it is a wonderful thing…
February 26th, 2009 at 3:22 pmdbadass Says:
John Kerry:
May I be so bold as to say that it looks like you have been pwned yet again. Still I and I am sure many others are proud of your effort to look less like a colossal pussy by actually posting more than once. Sorry you got spanked but please return another day to try again. You might wanna consider my advice as to the bold thing.
Yea, it was strange he stuck around. For now on though, I’m flagging this mope on sight. He’s a coward and doesn’t even have the stones to respond with any ideas of his own (as if he had any)…
February 26th, 2009 at 3:23 pmJK, because your mother still cleans your room you probably never learned that projects require somebody to actually do them. Do you think buildings turn green all by themselves. Yes you do. But your mac and cheese and juice in your sippy cup doesn’t just appear at the dinner table, somebody puts it there.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:24 pmShayne Says:
JK, because your mother still cleans your room you probably never learned that projects require somebody to actually do them. Do you think buildings turn green all by themselves. Yes you do. But your mac and cheese and juice in your sippy cup doesn’t just appear at the dinner table, somebody puts it there.
LOL, he’s like Will Ferrell’s character in Wedding Crashers…
“Mom!!!! I want my goddamned meatloaf!!”
February 26th, 2009 at 3:27 pmHe’s going to raise taxes on the people he said he would. I don’t think you have to worry about it.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:34 pmjoe. unless you somehow actually are moving the controls of power, we are both just here debating. What action am I discouraging on this thread?
How does my agreement on progressive social issues fit into your conspiracy?
I’m not interesting in taking the time, but I’ve got dozens of past posts about how Obama is taking the right measures on social issues.
And, although I have questioned the stimulus bill, I questioned Bush’s attempts at stimulus.
Although, I have questioned why progressives weren’t questioning Obama’s foreign policy, I have supported Obama’s early moves in foreign policy.
I have chimed in with my support of progressive efforts to ensure the separation of church and state and progressive efforts to gain true equality for gays; to include gay marriage. And I have commented many times about how conservatives are lacking in race relations, especially among African Americans.
If I am a concern troll, when you consider all my support for Obama and other progressive ideas, maybe I’m not doing so good at it.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pmAverage American Patriot Says:
“I won’t raise your taxes if you elect me!” BHO
Really?
He never made that quote you liar.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pmJohn Kerry:
What ideas do I have? Simple (and you of course just don’t get this!) – lower taxes; more tax credits; STOP taxing the rich (of course NONE of you can grasp this!). That’s a good start. Try this and see what that does.
So yea, he’s got nothing. You can’t dispute the answers we gave, and you regurgitate Bushenomics. Quite lame really.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:45 pmJohn Kerry Says:
Phew!! I will give you libs credit for imagination which, sadly to say, is at the heart of most of your wayward ideas.
Encouraging projects that create jobs is imaginary!
Who is going to renovate the DC sewers? LOL, you are completely unoriginal and idiotic, and cannot point to any time in history your philosophy has worked for the good of the majority.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:46 pmJohn Kerry has reached a new low ladies and gents.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:47 pmJohn Kerry Says:
More more thing before my exit!!
Since Brotha O has been elected and since he took over as “president” the stock market has gone on a terrible decline (over 2000 points loss)! Why? Simple. It does not like the Pork Plan. This alone says it all.
Except the stock market is not an accepting determinant on gauging the health of the ENTIRE economy. Moron.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:47 pmAverage American Parrot Says:
“I won’t raise your taxes if you elect me!” BHO
Really?
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Another exceedingly IGNORANT strawman argument from one of history’s stupidest posters. Do you realize how stupid you make yourself look posting these kinds of logical fallacies? Obama made clear all along he WOULD raise the taxes of those over 250 grand a year and not those below it I see no evidence anything has changed by the way. You should look evience up in the dictionary and get a five year old to explain the big words to you TROLL. You seem to be COMPLETELY unaquainted with the concept. My GOD you are ignorant.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:48 pmYou are a worthless racist piece of garbage. We ANSWERED your questions logically. To someone as brainwashed and stupid as you logic just SEEMS like imagination since you are FAR too stupid to ever accomplish ANY higher brain function. That is why Rush does your thinking for you. I notice there was nothing even CLOSE to thinking in your posts. Just repitition. So YOUR prescription is MORE OF THE SAME. Yes we really ought to continue to do the very things that CAUSED this economic meltdown that is a great idea. Einstein once said
“The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them.”
You do nothing but give us a rerun of the Rush Limbaugh show everytime you drop your little trollturds on this site.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:55 pmHave to make a living unlike all of you – probably on welfare.
February 26th, 2009 at 3:57 pm—
Bad idea John Kerry. Most of the folks around these parts tend to be highly educated and highly employed and employable. Maybe next time we can compare….
EugeneDebs. I think Einstein also said:
It doesn’t say that bad things happen bad people voice their opinion.
Seeing that the idea of what is ‘good’ is subjective, maybe the safest course of action for all of us, is for those that disagree to speak up.
February 26th, 2009 at 4:04 pmmy bad. should have been:
February 26th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
backup Says:
EugeneDebs. I think Einstein also said:
“Bad things happen when good people do nothing.”
It doesn’t say that bad things happen bad people voice their opinion.
Seeing that the idea of what is ‘good’ is subjective, maybe the safest course of action for all of us, is for those that disagree to speak up.
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it was martin luther king, jr.
the rest of your comment make no sense.
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February 26th, 2009 at 4:15 pmsorry,
make = makes
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February 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pmYeah, he did’t do himself a favor by speaking his mind did he?
February 26th, 2009 at 4:35 pmThank you JK, for not even addressing the answers that we gave you.
Thank you, for debating us with no facts, even though you requested them from us.
Thank you for always typing in bold, to gather the attention you so desperately crave.
Thank you for again not engaging in any meaningful debate.
Thank you for being, well you!
Because it’s mucking forons like you that give even moderates a bad name.
February 26th, 2009 at 4:38 pmbackup Says:
These Do-Nothings profess a commitment to social change for ideals of justice, equality, and opportunity, and then abstain from and discourage all effective action for change. They are known by their brand, ‘I agree with your ends but not your means.’
joe. unless you somehow actually are moving the controls of power, we are both just here debating. What action am I discouraging on this thread?
How does my agreement on progressive social issues fit into your conspiracy?
I’m not interesting [freudian slip?] in taking the time, but I’ve got dozens of past posts about how Obama is taking the right measures on social issues.
And, although I have questioned the stimulus bill, I questioned Bush’s attempts at stimulus.
Although, I have questioned why progressives weren’t questioning Obama’s foreign policy, I have supported Obama’s early moves [? he was just elected] in foreign policy.
I have chimed in with my support of progressive efforts to ensure the separation of church and state and progressive efforts to gain true equality for gays; to include gay marriage. And I have commented many times about how conservatives are lacking in race relations, especially among African Americans.
If I am a concern troll, when you consider all my support for Obama and other progressive ideas, maybe I’m not doing so good at it.
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interesting template that fits neatly over
bill o’reilly’s protest that he is not a conservative:
If you haven’t seen “The O’Reilly Factor”, you might be wondering whether I’m conservative, liberal, libertarian, or exactly what. I hope you’re still wondering when you do catch my program and also after you’ve read this book, my first attempt to put my thoughts in print.
See, I don’t want to fit any of those labels, because I believe that the truth doesn’t have labels. When I see corruption, I try to expose it. When I see exploitation, I try to fight it. That’s my political position.
bill has also stated:
I am not a conservative – I believe in Global Warming
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that might be true but is it what he’s known for?
and when he does take a rare liberal stance it’s almost
always tied to and usually outweighed by his main point
which is very pro conservative. like you backup, his bona
fides are not all that he claims them to be.
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February 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pmbackup Says:
Actually NO. I think you are mistaking that for a paraphrase of Edmund Burke if I remember it right it is the only thing necessary for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing. I dont even know what you are talking about here. It has no context to my point. JK is a racist troll. He reguritates talking points and makes posts for no other reason than to call Obama racist names. He is ignorant that is a fact. I dont remember telling him he shouldnt talk. However being a troll really isnt adding to the discourse. It isnt really trying to have a discussion or in any way ADDING to the dialectic that brings about solutions. When I call for him to be arrested for having his say get back to me until then your post was a non sequitur.
February 26th, 2009 at 4:53 pmI have to sit back and laugh at the comments made by the pompous left wing brainwashed unemployed college students on this board. Those of you who claim to be highly intelligent and educated are simply parrots of your professors.
Santelli spoke the truth and he basically got belittled and patronized by the obama’s little fat man mouth piece at the whitehouse. Santelli may or may not have received vailed threats from the whitehouse afterward. Frankly, after watching the clinton administration for 8 long years I would not be suprised if the clinton retreads on obama’s staff have issued vailed threats on him. Threats come in all shapes and sizes from exposure of hidden information to job threats to physical harm.
Either way, the ultra liberal obama water carrier executives at NBC will eventually take revenge on Santelli for their golden boy obama. My guess is that he has already received vailed threats from the top brass at NBC (Nothing But Crap) which have him fearing for his job.
I hope the best for you Santelli. Thank you for speaking the truth in this politically correct environment where the golden boy obama can do no wrong.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:42 pmTim43 Says:
Timmeh you ignorant punk. You are back to give us some laughs? Your stupidity is legendary. I love slap you around. First moron no Santelli is a LIAR. There was no threat. No possible reading of what was said could constitute a threat that was a lie. That is as clear as that YOU are an idiot. Does it hurt to be so stupid Timmeh? Did you take special classes to be so stupid or is it a gift? This is all very simple. We tried the rightwing economic formula it proved to be a disaster, we are trying something else. No one with a single funtional braincell cares what someone as stupid as you thinks about that. We appreciate the free clown show but you really are too stupid for anyone to take you or your rants seriously. Adult education, look into it.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:11 pmSantelli should be locked in a sound proof roof with fellow right wingers for 24 hours and be allowed to yell continuously. I hope he loses his job and then he will understand how it is to be worrying only about the top 5%
February 26th, 2009 at 7:30 pmEugeneDebs Says:
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Tim43 Says:
Timmeh you ignorant punk… and so on
In your entire rant you used 144 words and 611 characters to call me names which adds more proof to my assertion that this board is full of pompous arrogant college students, such as yourself, who parrot their professors.
Santelli was right. Tax payers will be responsible to pay for either the freezing or reducing the mortgage interest rate for the loans on mortgages of irresponsible people thanks to obama, pelosi and the host of other socialists.
What government hand out you be receiving EugeneDebs? More free college because you can’t get a real job? Or, are you looking forward to a free hand out from the tax payers to help with your rent?
I guess that you finally got the president and congress that will bail you out of your misery. You can thank the tax payers when you wake up and come to your senses.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:37 pmTim43, you sound familiar. You ever log in and post under another name?
Tim?
February 26th, 2009 at 10:10 pmTo a certain extent I agree with Santelli’s clarification.
We need to hold accountable those shyster banksters on Wall Street and those who scammed the system at every level. America doesn’t hold the important folk and white collar criminals accountable much anymore. That needs changed. If someone lied about their income on their mortgage app they should not get a taxpayer buyout either.
It still outrages me that Nancy Pelosi took it upon herself to take impeachment of Bush off the table. America needs to see some serious justice and accountability.
February 26th, 2009 at 10:47 pmTim43 Says: 251
Timmeh well first of all you ARE a moron. Second in YOU posted about us pompous left leaning…unemployed college students…Obamas little fat man.. Ultra libereal water carrier so do you expect us to just TAKE your insults without returning them or are you complaining I am better at the insults than you? Either way you are a snivelling punk.
There were no veiled threats that is just ludicrous. I know you are stupid but no possible reading of what was said can be rationally called a threat veiled or otherwise. I am gainfully employed and am not a college student but why would you break your recrod and be right about anything. I mean you ARE monumentally stupid.
Yes I just insulted you that post just like this one didnt contain anything BUT stupid talking points and insults FROM you. Stupidity about Clintons implications about violence all stupid no substance. So insulting you, in the same way ou insulted us and this time me is all you deserve. What would make you think I have some obligation to treat your stupid posts full of nothing but insults, taunts and BS baseless assertions about Obama and the Clintons as IF it were serious commentary. You are a moron acting LIKE a moron so I treated you like the moron you are.
I have had the same REAL job for more than thirty years unlike you so stupid you still live in your mommys basement. YOU dont get government handouts you only get MOMMY handouts. You are stupid Timmeh. A moron. You were stupid yesterday, you are stupid today and you will be stupid tomorrow. I dont know why you are so PROUD of being stupid and have to parade it around here but you do. I have read a lot of your posts and you have never added a single thing to the discussion in a single post you have ever made. You regurgitate what you have been told to believe which is why you project that same thing on to me. The thing is I am not as stupid as you, then again few people are.
I dont care what you think about Obama. YOU are a moron. You are flat out wrong, as usual, about Santelli, of course, you are a moron. Santelli made something stupid up that no one but those as ignorant as YOU could possibly believe and he took flack for it. Since YOU are a moron you are still trying to pretend it made sense and post NOTHING but ignorant slurs to back up that pretense. You aer TRULY a moron
February 26th, 2009 at 11:34 pmheh.. “the agitator”
Clarification?
” If someone lied about their income on their mortgage app they should not get a taxpayer buyout either.”
Care to explain this, agitator?
Please provide links… I’d like to see how “someone who lied about their income” is the cause of all of your frustration.
Thanks, AG.
February 26th, 2009 at 11:41 pmBackup Says:
bill has also stated:
I am not a conservative – I believe in Global Warming
If you believe that you can’t be a conservative and also believe that human activity is a factor causing global warming, then you’re already a neoconservative. There’s no principle of classic conservatism that says you have to disbelieve all science.
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Average American Patriot Says:
“I won’t raise your taxes if you elect me!” BHO
Really?
No, not really. What he said was, he’d raise taxes on the rich if we elected him. We elected him, and now he’s raising taxes on the rich.
The difference between libs and cons? We know that we aren’t part of the richest 2%. You aren’t either, but you don’t seem to be aware of the fact.
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John Kerry Says:
Have to make a living unlike all of you – probably on welfare.
Classic wingnut hit-and-run attack: accuse everybody else of not having jobs, then act like you having a job is some magical accomplishment that you’re really proud of. It’s like you guys live in the Special Olympics of life.
Dude, we have jobs. We don’t hand out medals to each other for it. It’s not a big deal.
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John Kerry Says:
What ideas do I have? Simple (and you of course just don’t get this!) – lower taxes; more tax credits; STOP taxing the rich (of course NONE of you can grasp this!). That’s a good start. Try this and see what that does.
Already tried it. It totally tanked the economy. Next.
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John Kerry Says:
Since Brotha O has been elected and since he took over as “president” the stock market has gone on a terrible decline (over 2000 points loss)! Why?
Because it’s still in free fall from the damage Bush did to it. In case you hadn’t noticed, the market has yet to stabilize since the Bush crash of 2008.
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Tim43 Says:
…unemployed…
Again, classic hit-and-run attack of pretending that having a job is so rare. The reason we always look befuddled when you say that is, we all have jobs. That’s like us accusing you of not having a nose or something: not only does it not make any sense, it wouldn’t be relevant to anything under discussion even if it were true.
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Tim43 Says:
Santelli spoke the truth and he basically got belittled and patronized by the obama’s little fat man mouth piece at the whitehouse.
Um no, Santelli belittled and patronized all American homeowners, and then was gently corrected by the White House Press Secretary.
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Tim43 Says:
Santelli may or may not have received vailed threats from the whitehouse afterward.
He did not.
You may or may not be a rubber chicken hooked up to a car battery.
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Tim43 Says:
My guess is that he has already received vailed threats from the top brass at NBC (Nothing But Crap) which have him fearing for his job.
Damn you wingnuts sure get fearful a lot. Have some courage already, there’s a “war” on!
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Tim43 Says:
…in this politically correct environment where the golden boy obama can do no wrong.
I’m sure that he can, it’s just that he never has.
February 27th, 2009 at 12:57 amGood post Bruce
February 27th, 2009 at 1:09 am