EXCLUSIVE: Tancredo Says Jindal’s Speech Was The ‘Last Nail In The Coffin’ For His Presidential Ambitions
EXCLUSIVE: Tancredo Says Jindal’s Speech Was The ‘Last Nail In The Coffin’ For His Presidential Ambitions
Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA) has been heralded as everything from the next Barack Obama to the next Ronald Reagan. As the GOP searches for a new leader, Jindal is seen by some conservatives as their best hope of capturing the White House in 2012. But Jindal’s abysmal response to Obama’s address to the nation on Tuesday has been ridiculed by commentators across the political spectrum, raising doubts about his 2012 ambitions.
Stepping up in Jindal’s defense yesterday, Rush Limbaugh warned his fellow conservatives yesterday not to say negative things about Jindal. “Those of you who think Jindal was horrible….I don’t ever want to hear from you ever again,” he said.
One Republican who isn’t heeding Limbaugh’s warnings is the anti-immigrant zealot and former congressman Tom Tancredo (R-CO). In an interview with ThinkProgress at the CPAC conference today, Tancredo declared that Jindal’s speech marks the end of his presidential ambitions:
TP: [Jindal] has gotten some flack for his performance on the response to Obama. I’m curious what your thoughts on it was.
TANCREDO: Great content. Lousy delivery. And I’m sorry to say this because I like him a lot. I served with him. Good guy. Solid guy. But I think that performance would very well have put the last nail in the coffin for him, for running for president. Mostly because what we are desperately looking for today in this party is a leader. Bobby Jindal is a great intellect, but his capacity to lead just is, his bearing, is not there. At least, it wasn’t there.
Watch it:
“I’m not saying he can’t overcome it, but I’m telling you it’s a major obstacle now. And I’m sorry about that,” Tancredo said. “In this business, often times you need more sizzle than steak.”
SLIWA: Because he is — when guys look at him and young women look at him — they say oh, that's the slumdog millionaire, governor. So, give me some slum love. STEELE: I love it. (inaudible) ... some slum love out to my buddy. Gov. Bobby Jindal is doing a friggin' awesome job in his state. He's really turned around on some core principles — like hey, government ought not be corrupt. The good stuff ... the easy stuff.
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EXCLUSIVE: Tancredo Says Jindal’s Speech Was The ‘Last Nail In The Coffin’ For His Presidential Ambitions
– - And Tancredo’s first nail was that hilarious comb-over.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:29 pmGreat content? You have a hard time delivering pig poo. Nice try.
Next?
February 26th, 2009 at 5:29 pmMichael Steel is gettin’ jiggy wi’ all dat shit.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:30 pmHe’s outta here, especially if he made up the story about Katrina..
February 26th, 2009 at 5:32 pmKeep rolling out the losers, GOP. Provided one of your sickest minds doesn’t try to physically remove Obama from office in some way, you’re continuing to craft and fine-tune the perfect environment for the first ever 2-term black president in American history. Hey, how about running the maverick again in 2012? Or hey, maybe instead of an election in 2012, you can put up Sarah Barracuda against Obama in a game of horse, winner takes the ‘House.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:33 pmIn this business, often times you need more sizzle than steak.”
~Tancredo
In other words, for Republicans it’s all about histrionics, hyperbole, and sophistry, not about being serious when setting policy.
Like we hadn’t noticed…
February 26th, 2009 at 5:33 pmStupid Steele should check with the residents of New Orleans before he makes any statements about Jindal’s job performance as Gov of LA.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:36 pmbravo tp!
i think cpac is going render
up much more internecine cat fights.
get the popcorn ready!
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February 26th, 2009 at 5:36 pmIf that was the last nail in the coffin for Jindals hopes of being president, then considering the RNC WROTE the speech, wouldn’t it also be the last nail in the coffin for the RNC?
February 26th, 2009 at 5:37 pmDude, where’s my slum love? Sh1t, everyone needs some ghetto booty
February 26th, 2009 at 5:37 pmSTEELE: “He’s really turned around on some core principles — like hey, government ought not be corrupt.”
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Waitaminnit — is Steele suggesting that Jindal’s former position (before he “turned around”) was that government SHOULD be corrupt?
And is the GOP “core principle” that government should or shouldn’t be corrupt?
Steele isn’t being very clear here.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:37 pm“they say oh, that’s the slumdog millionaire, governor. ”
yes, i’d love to be known as someone who looks like they grew up in the slums of mumbai. apparently these assclowns haven’t seen the movie.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:38 pmSLIWA: Because he is — when guys look at him and young women look at him — they say oh, that’s the slumdog millionaire, governor. So, give me some slum love.
STEELE: I love it. (inaudible) … some slum love out to my buddy. Gov. Bobby Jindal is doing a friggin’ awesome job in his state. He’s really turned around on some core principles — like hey, government ought not be corrupt. The good stuff … the easy stuff.
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now that’s what i call off the hook
and beyond cutting edge!
:)
February 26th, 2009 at 5:39 pmYeah but Tom Tancredo doesn’t like brown people with funny names so take this all with a grain of salt. Plus, some of the Christians (like David Brody) love him.
Republicans in disarray!!!!!
February 26th, 2009 at 5:40 pmi wonder how long it will be before the goopers have a picture taken of swindal and steele: stelle with a gold grill and baggy jeans, swindal with a slurpee wearing a 7-11 uniform since apparently they’re not too concerned with perpetuating stereotypes
February 26th, 2009 at 5:40 pmTancredo offered up substance the consistency of Jello which hasn’t set yet; with the delivery of a car salesman peddling a car that won’t start.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:41 pm“Those of you who think Jindal was horrible….I don’t ever want to hear from you ever again,”
That should really put a stop to all the bad-mouthing rush.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:41 pmI know I’m changing my mind, cause I just wanna be your friend.
WAYNEBRO Says
February 26th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
If that was the last nail in the coffin for Jindals hopes of being president, then considering the RNC WROTE the speech, wouldn’t it also be the last nail in the coffin for the RNC?
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So far, I haven’t heard any Republican complain about the content — only the delivery.
But I think they need to look further than just finding somebody who looks good at a podium and can read from a teleprompter. Tancredo talks about “desperately looking” for a leader. Well, the first thing they might want to look for is somebody who can write his/her own speeches (Obama can, by the way — and that’s one of the things that was obvious to most people). They’re very good at finding puppets and wind-up dolls, but these toys aren’t that great for inspiring leadership qualities.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:42 pmTancredo would never win anyway. Jeez! What an ego.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:43 pmWell, I think this helps Sarah Palin. Regardless of what we on the left think of her, she can definitely deliver a speech. She would have nailed this very basic speech. Is she can be more substantive on the issues, she will be a force in the 2012 Republican primaries.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:43 pmGeez, what a bunch of stooges! Steele, don’t you think that lumping Jindal in with Slumdog Millionaire might be a little, oh I don’t know, racist?
Let’s tell Tancredo that Jindal was his immigrant family’s “anchor baby” – that kinda shit makes GOOP splatter on walls!
PEACE
February 26th, 2009 at 5:45 pmTrue, she can nail a speech.
it’s those darn extemporaneous TV interviews she has trouble with.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pmLooks good?
The way he staggered up to that podium with his deer in the headlight stare I thought he looked like a cross between Dobie Gillis and Alfred E Newman.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pmActually, missmolly, didn’t David Brooks have negative comments on the content of the speech. Anyway, your head would have to be in the sand or in some other dark place to not see that both the content and delivery of this speech went over very poorly.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pmThe Colbert Party is a neverending source of out and out belly laughter these days.
Michael Steele is funnier than a circus clown.
-GSD
February 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pm“Well, I think this helps Sarah Palin. Regardless of what we on the left think of her, she can definitely deliver a speech. ”
it’s those gosh durn facts that get in the way for failin palin
February 26th, 2009 at 5:48 pmYeah, Sarah can make a speech. A hate mongering speech. I wonder who she’ll accuse of paling around with terrorists in 2012?
February 26th, 2009 at 5:48 pm“Yeah, Sarah can make a speech. A hate mongering speech. I wonder who she’ll accuse of paling around with terrorists in 2012?”
if she were honest, her old man who belonged to the alaska independence party
February 26th, 2009 at 5:49 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
But I think they need to look further than just finding somebody who looks good at a podium and can read from a teleprompter.
Well, that ain’t gonna happen Ms Molly.
Because, you see, it’s all about the sizzle, ya know…
February 26th, 2009 at 5:51 pmSo when Michael Steel makes a “Slumdog” reference, its racist, shows just out of touch he is, what an idiot, etc.
But when Helen Thomas made a similar reference earlier…
Yup, thought so.
Later,
February 26th, 2009 at 5:54 pmTancredo plugs for Mitt Romney as the best candidate because he is tall and has good hair.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:54 pm(Re: post 30. Aggg… wrong use of tag characters. Reposting with corrections.)
So when Michael Steele makes a “Slumdog” reference, its racist, shows just out of touch he is, what an idiot, etc.
But when Helen Thomas made a similar reference earlier…
(crickets)
Yup, thought so.
Later,
February 26th, 2009 at 5:57 pmMore of the blatant racism of the far right.
If this is the way they treat their friends, I much prefer being their enemy.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:58 pmOkay… maybe Im just too darn “on the hook” but WTF is “slum love?”
February 26th, 2009 at 5:59 pmOne speech probably won’t kill Jindal’s career.
This is from the 1988 DNC wikipedia entry:
I don’t believe Jindal’s going to be our next president, but people can overcome a bad speech.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:59 pmI wouldn’t put too much faith in Tancredo’s political insights.
His histrionics pretty much sent Latino Voters running to the democrats, giving Obama huge victories in Critical Western States.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:00 pmCicero Says: Yup, thought so.
Up to your mention of the word, where has there been a reference to racism in this thread?
February 26th, 2009 at 6:01 pmcicero,
i am sure you have a link to support your claims
:::chirp chirp:::::::
February 26th, 2009 at 6:01 pmyup, thought so.
I hope he does. I’ll be waiting with popcorn in hand when Team Sarah calls him a ’secret muslim terrorist’ before the debates.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:01 pmBobby Jindal’s presidential aspirations aren’t dead because he gave a lousy speech. Bill Clinton almost bored the 1988 DNC to death with his keynote address and won the presidency four years later. Bobby Jindal’s presidential aspirations are dead because he looks like a kid wearing his dad’s suit, recycles worn out right wing talking points and talks like someone who just fell out of a tree onto his head (granted that last part didn’t start to hurt W until the last two years or so).
February 26th, 2009 at 6:04 pm“Bobby Jindal’s presidential aspirations aren’t dead because he gave a lousy speech.”
no, bobby swindal’s presidential aspirations are dead because the “good ole boy” base in the south ain’t about to vote for someone who looks like swindal.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:05 pmIS EVERYONE ENJOYING THE GOP CIVIL WAR AS MUCH AS I AM?
WE NEED TO FEED THEIR HYSTERIA SOME MORE.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:07 pmBozo,
Here’s a couple. (Of course, they’re from dreaded eeeevil right-wing sites. Oh noes!)
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ken-shepherd/2009/02/25/twittering-helen-thomas
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/25/helen-thomas-said-what-about-bobby-jindal/
Here’s the direct quote from the person who reported it, and the link to their twitter page:
Bobby Jindal was ‘pitiful,’ Helen Thomas tells film crew, right before making a ‘Slumdog Millionaire’ crack
http://twitter.com/cbellantoni
Now, the final proof will be whether we can get confirmation from this film crew, or will it end up going down the memory hole.
Later
February 26th, 2009 at 6:07 pmThe republicans are looking desperately for a leader in their party.
That says something.
That says a lot since the last “leader” they came up with was george w. bush.
I mean to say, it’s not very hard to follow the act bush-2 put on, is it? ? ?
During his 8 year term in office they were unable to come up with a successor? ? ?
February 26th, 2009 at 6:10 pmbackup Says:
One speech probably won’t kill Jindal’s career.
This is from the 1988 DNC wikipedia entry:
Arkansas governor Bill Clinton gave a widely jeered 32-minute-long opening night address that some predicted would ruin his political career, a source of much satisfaction to him 4 years later when he was elected the 42nd President of the United States.
I don’t believe Jindal’s going to be our next president, but people can overcome a bad speech.
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with tancredo’s vote it’s practically
unanimous among conservatives.
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more popcorn?
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February 26th, 2009 at 6:11 pmYoung women find that face attractive ? Seriously ?
They really DO make their own reality.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:13 pmJindal is as much an effective counter to Obama as Palin was to Hillary Clinton.
“Hey, we need our own skinny brown guy. Where can we find a skinny brown guy?”
February 26th, 2009 at 6:14 pmSo Cicero provides exactly as much (and as credible) evidence for this claimed Helen Thomas remark as left-wingers are able to provide for the reported remark of George W. Bush that the Constitution “is just a goddamned piece of paper”.
Judging by the intellectual rigor to which Cicero subjects such claims before embracing them as true, we can only assume that Cicero accepts the apocryphal tale of the “goddamned piece of paper”.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:17 pmSeriously? You’re seriously sourcing a dude’s twitter page that doesn’t even quote Thomas beyond a word?
February 26th, 2009 at 6:17 pmCicero,
you get to work on that.
meantime we have m. steele
on audio if you’d care to get an earful.
it’s off the hook. it’s beyond cutting edge.
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February 26th, 2009 at 6:18 pmI think you pretty much nailed it El Bruce… why else would wacky Michael Steele have gotten his present job?
February 26th, 2009 at 6:18 pmbackup Says:
One speech probably won’t kill Jindal’s career.
This is from the 1988 DNC wikipedia entry:
Arkansas governor Bill Clinton gave a widely jeered 32-minute-long opening night address that some predicted would ruin his political career, a source of much satisfaction to him 4 years later when he was elected the 42nd President of the United States.
I don’t believe Jindal’s going to be our next president, but people can overcome a bad speech.
backup, was Clinton’s speech a nationally televised rebuttal to a speech made by an enormously popular president? No.
Jindal did some major damage to his career, but Americans have notoriously short memories. Now Palin, she made a lasting impression.
PEACE
February 26th, 2009 at 6:23 pmfrom huffpo:
Christina Bellantoni is a White House correspondent for The Washington Times in Washington, D.C., a post she took after covering the 2008 Democratic presidential campaigns. She has been with The Times since 2003, covering state and Congressional politics before moving to national political beat for the 2008 campaign.
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February 26th, 2009 at 6:23 pmsorry, i forgot
she’s blogging for canadian c-span
at cpac.
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February 26th, 2009 at 6:24 pmAre you kidding me? This is the person the GOP picked to pull themselves out of the grave?
Wow.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:26 pmTancredo – always one for misinterpreting reality. Hey Tom, Jindal didn’t flop with the majority of the American people based on “delivery,” but because he’d trying to sell the old Republicans meme that’s brought this country down to where we are right now. Economically, morally, and ethically.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:26 pmNevar and ElBruce:
Limbaugh’s a racist because he says McNabb’s getting media coverage because he’s black; but then it’s somehow okay to say that Steele only got the job at the RNC because he’s black?
Please explain how that is not racist sentiment.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:27 pmYou gotta give Steele credit. He already has both feet in his mouth, but he just keeps on talking! Come to think of it, maybe he’s talking out of something other than his mouth.
I’m thinking that Mr. Steele will be needing to “spend more time with his family” within three months. Any bets?
PEACE
February 26th, 2009 at 6:29 pmquoted for ‘lulz’.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:30 pmbackup Says: Please explain how that is not racist sentiment.
I made no claim it wasn’t, cap’n…
February 26th, 2009 at 6:32 pmMichael Steele must resign immediately and offer aid and an apology to all Indian-Americans and those in the true slums of India. This is an outrage.
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/
February 26th, 2009 at 6:33 pmContent and delivery was totally abysmal by any standard and Jindal’s coffin is ready to be hoisted down six feet under.
I’ve seen better communication at primary school productions for goodness sakes.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:34 pmThis has been explained to you before.
Limbaugh’s remark about McNabb were judged racist because he attributed to the man’s race achievements that were easily and better explained by other factors (performance on the field, mainly) and because Limbaugh has exhibited a pattern of racially-charged comments in the past.
Remarks about Steele’s selection may be racist but may also be the result of their being few other explanations for this elevation.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:37 pmI’m a little slow…is there a problem with Republicans burying Republicans? Outside of the fact that it is cannibalistic?
February 26th, 2009 at 6:38 pmbackup sez: “…it’s somehow okay to say that Steele only got the job at the RNC because he’s black?”
If we can’t talk about race, and every comment about race somehow becomes racist, then we are exactly that nation of cowards with regards to our attitude about race. My comment was not disparaging of Michael Steele’s race. It was an observation of a possible reason for why he was elevated to his position. Sarah Palin was most likely chosen as a candidate because of her gender. Goodness knows it wasn’t for her qualifications. That doesn’t mean making that observation is a sexist remark.
I deal with multi-racial issues everyday. Not just two races, but three and sometimes four all in the mix. I have offered observations of race relations, and have been jumped on for being racist. One thing I’m not, is a coward. If people are unwilling to talk about or face racial issues, then the problem will never go away..
February 26th, 2009 at 6:45 pmDaryll!!! Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!! I wasn’t going to hang around, but how can I resist Daryll?
How do you know that Mr. Obama is going to fail?
February 26th, 2009 at 6:46 pmHillary > Sarah Palin
Obama > Steel
Put them together
February 26th, 2009 at 6:47 pm2+2=
Cicero Says:
You link to two rightwing websites. I looked around and find ACCUSATIONS this happened and no conformation all second hand accusations. IF true I would still need the context to see if it is a racist comment like Tancredos obviously is. If it IS racist which is possible then SHAME on Helen. I like the lady and respect herbut there isnt any excuse for racist comments about Jindal.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:47 pmMy guess is because God told him so.
Shortly after God told him to start referring to “President-elect Huckabee”.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:50 pmbackup Says:
Limbaugh’s a racist because he says McNabb’s getting media coverage because he’s black; but then it’s somehow okay to say that Steele only got the job at the RNC because he’s black?
Please explain how that is not racist sentiment.
Because the Republicans made it very clear they were choosing him in large part because he was Black, in an attempt to appeal to non-white voters. It’s a simple statement of fact, backup.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:50 pmI mean really back up if Obama had lost Steele wouldn’t be relevant.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:50 pmGosh darnit, Ralph, ya beat me to it.
February 26th, 2009 at 6:51 pmis it just me or is steele a figgin moron?
February 26th, 2009 at 6:51 pmspearNmagicHelmet Says:
is it just me or is steele a figgin moron?
I dunno, why don’t we “DRILL, BABY, DRILL!!!” and find out?
February 26th, 2009 at 6:55 pmObviously, Daryll saw the bait and didn’t want to take it, but I’m going to haul him in anyway:
He (Huckabee) is the next President. It is God’s will.
Comment by Daryll January 2, 2008 @ 11:34 am
Deuteronomy 18:22
When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.
Deuteronomy 18:20
But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.
So, we should not be afraid of Daryll’s prediction and he’s going to die. And if he doesn’t die, is the second verse not inaccurate or at least not literal?
February 26th, 2009 at 6:56 pm(ralph does a little victory dance)
(then looks around to see if anybody was watching)
February 26th, 2009 at 7:00 pmbackup Says:
I don’t believe Jindal’s going to be our next president, but people can overcome a bad speech.
February 26th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Clinton was a long time ago, and we’ve got the Youtubes now.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:01 pmJindal will never live this down. :-D
Cicero Says:
Bozo,
Here’s a couple. (Of course, they’re from dreaded eeeevil right-wing sites. Oh noes!)
http://newsbusters.org/ blogs/ken-shepherd/2009/02/25/twittering-helen-thomas
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/02/25/helen-thomas-said-what-about-bobby-jindal
Here’s the direct quote from the person who reported it, and the link to their twitter page:
Bobby Jindal was ‘pitiful,’ Helen Thomas tells film crew, right before making a ‘Slumdog Millionaire’ crack
http://twitter.com/cbellantoni
I looked that up, and you actually cited the entire text of the “report.” That’s all there is – Christina Bellantoni said in that twitter that Helen Thomas said something which isn’t directly quoted. The other two links – Newsbusters and Malkin – don’t add any information, they just point out the twitter. And yet you cite three links, like there’s a lot of information there.
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backup Says:
Nevar and ElBruce:
Limbaugh’s a racist because he says McNabb’s getting media coverage because he’s black; but then it’s somehow okay to say that Steele only got the job at the RNC because he’s black?
Please explain how that is not racist sentiment.
McNabb got no more media coverage than his play on the field deserved. There’s no need to look for another reason.
Steele does deserve media coverage for being the first black RNCC chair. He really does, it is kind of a big deal. And I’m not certain that he got the job just because he’s black, considering how lousy the competition was (the favorite was the guy distributing that “Barack the Magic Negro” CD). But if the GOP knew that he was going to morph into somebody’s middle-aged dad trying to “hang” with the kids like something out of an 80’s sitcom, I’m sure they would have had second thoughts about appointing him.
All this talk I’m hearing about Jindal being “the new face of the Republican Party” suggests to me that the color of that face seems to matter to them more than a little. If he was an exciting speaker or had any new ideas, that would be one thing. But between his hangdog delivery and lets-be-Reagan-again platform, there’s neither steak nor sizzle. I’ve been given no other reason for all that talk about how Jindal’s so “up-and-coming” in the Party other than that he’s skinny and kinda brownish.
It can’t be a coincidence that a party that has historically been completely “color blind” is suddenly promoting everybody they’ve got who passes the brown-paper-bag test this year. Especially when those people just aren’t very good.
In short: neither Jindal or Steele are a McNabb.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:01 pmOuch, PLC.
Very ouch.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:01 pmIsn’t Cicero a a racist suburb of Chicago? Just sayin…
February 26th, 2009 at 7:05 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Limbaugh’s remark about McNabb were judged racist because he attributed to the man’s race achievements …..
Remarks about Steele’s selection may be racist but may also be the result of their being few other explanations for this elevation.
Not a big Rush listener, but from what I remember of the controversy, he said McNabb got media attention because he was black, not that he got the job of quarterback because he was black. That makes a difference. Steele won a state wide office, so he obviously has some political ability. But at the same time, you’d have to be pretty naive to think his race had nothing to do with Steele’s selection. Then again, the same statement could definitely be applied to Obama.
As for Jindal, jeez, he flubbed a speech. If he wants to run for the 2012 spot, he’ll have 18 months of speechs and debates to build a national image. We will see how many people are clamoring to run against Obama, though…
February 26th, 2009 at 7:06 pmWho’s Bobby?
The guy’s name is Piyush Jindal – Bobby is just a made-up name. Just like those customer service reps in Bangalore who make up a Western name.
The GOP made such a big deal about Obama’s name it’s time they eat their own BS!
February 26th, 2009 at 7:07 pmralph, you do mean “ouch” as a good thing, I hope. I have given Daryll plenty of opportunity for gentle debate, but his arrogance continues to grow. I’ve got more “ouch in the pouch” if needed.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:08 pmNevar. I assume you are not racist and I agree with your ‘nation’s of cowards’ sentiment.
Considering that, would you be willing to agree that Limbaugh’s comment about McNabb could be a similar (not racist) observation?
February 26th, 2009 at 7:14 pmI don’t listen to Rush Limbaugh. I can’t agree or disagree.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:16 pmElBruce Says:
In short: neither Jindal or Steele are a McNabb.
I fear we suffer here from two things that are not very comparable, politics and football. But if we must compare them, how is this? Jindal is a Governor, Steele was an assistant Governor. McNabb has won some NFC Championships but also choked in the playoffs fairly regularly. All three of them are minorities who were trailblazers in their careers which had typically been filled by whites.
Obama is President. Rothleisberger is the Super Bowl Champion QB. (God darn that is fun to type!)Those two things seem analogous. Is Governor about the same as Conference Champ? Seems about right to me.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:17 pmYou’re right, Keltoi. That was the gist of the remark. But why does that make a big difference? Why is it less ridiculous that McNabb got more media attention than he deserved because of his race? Black quarterbacks were no longer the anomaly that they had been in Joe Gilliam’s day.
And Rush didn’t say the McNabb got attention for being a black quarterback. He said:
“I think what we’ve had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn’t deserve. The defense carried this team.”
This was a quarterback who at that time had already led his team to two consecutive NFC championship games and was poised to do so a third time later that season.
The questions with this analysis are evident; Why should Limbaugh (who, after all was speaking in his role as a purported football analyst) attribute any overestimation of the man’s abilities to his race? Why not to his personal charm, which was being showcased in national soup commercials? Why should the media even be “desirous that a black quarterback do well”?
it was just a bone-headed comment, likely (IMHO) driven by an undercurrent of racism, and the bone-headedness alone justified his leaving the job at ESPN.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:18 pmI once listened to Rush Limbaugh in the late ’80s. I was appalled at the distortion, the bigotry,and the hatred. Have never listened to him since.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:18 pmOh, PLC, I absolutely meant “Ouch” as a good thing. You tagged Daryll good.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:20 pmElBruce. I also assume you are not racist. I read what you said, but your comments about Steele and Jindal seem very similar to Limbaugh’s criticism of McNabb.
We need to have a more frank national discussion about race, but more frank on all sides.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:20 pmlimbaugh issued his dictum and his flock must follow
they follow their pied piper right to the abyss of redicule, rush, the person singly responsible for the fall of the republican party and they follow him even though polls show he was almost as reviled as bush himself
he issued is walking orders and the republicans better bow down, grovel at his gorgonzola feet and get set for him to walk behind and have his way.
thus the great limbaugh has ordered his flock, it is written, it is so
February 26th, 2009 at 7:21 pmI saw the Movie Slumdog Millionair but I’m not a racist so I never thought of Gov. Jindal associated with the movie. But Steele will find out what goes around comes around. Now Tancrazy had the top stop of stupidity and now Steele and Bolton have taken over. I look forward to Rush as the GOP choice to be the candidate for President and baby Newt aka Eric Cantor as his choice for VP. Cantor knows Rush will be impeached for child molesting and the Presidentacy will be all his. Sarah still looking for Russian from her window.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:22 pmSeriously, Keltoi?
That’s your analysis?
February 26th, 2009 at 7:22 pmDaryll sez re: Obama:
he has numerous nightclub parties at the White House (I believe yesterday was Ladies night) instead of working to resolve our economic issues, ect. Must I go on.
This is too good to pass up… when and where are you learning of these parties, Daryll?
Who do I have to talk to to get in?
‘nightclub parties’ at the White House, heh.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:24 pmShorter Daryll: Obama is dangerous because he’s a grown up.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:28 pmExcept that there is no apparent reason for the media to be “very desirous that a black quarterback to do well.” Thus the judgment that such an explanation for any perceived overestimation of a player’s abilities seems unrealistic.
But given the GOP’s historic failure to attract African Americans as well as other minority voters to its rolls, and the diminishing share of the population that white voters are projected to make up in the coming decades, there is a huge advantage to them in projecting images of diversity by elevating minority members to spokesperson status.
See the difference here? One charge makes no sense. The other makes good sense.
This sounds as patronizing and disingenuous as anything you’ve said here today. but that may be just because I know you. Someone who didn’t know you might find it disarmingly “reasonable”.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:32 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
You’re right, Keltoi. That was the gist of the remark. But why does that make a big difference? Why is it less ridiculous that McNabb got more media attention than he deserved because of his race? Black quarterbacks were no longer the anomaly that they had been in Joe Gilliam’s day.
Perhaps no, but still a bit of an anomaly. Winning black Quarterbacks were even more of an anomaly.
“I think what we’ve had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn’t deserve. The defense carried this team.”
I can’t read minds. I think the analysis of the defense carrying the team is a truism in the NFL, hence the Super Bowl Champion Steelers having the Number One Defense in the League. (My God, this thread is like a pent-up, on-topic gloat fest! I may go get my terrible towel)
Why should the media even be “desirous that a black quarterback do well”?
Because it was news, it gave them a story line.
it was just a bone-headed comment, likely (IMHO) driven by an undercurrent of racism, and the bone-headedness alone justified his leaving the job at ESPN.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:34 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
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Keltoi at Night Says:
Is Governor about the same as Conference Champ? Seems about right to me.
Seriously, Keltoi?
That’s your analysis?
What is so wrong with it? VP doesn’t fit because you are on the same team as the Champ. Other than defeated Presidential nominee, I would say Governor is about the best analogy in this very flawed parlor game we play.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:38 pmralph. To you, yes.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:44 pmGeez, Keltoi, who cares?
February 26th, 2009 at 7:44 pmWhat do you expect from RepubliCons, first Palin, now this clown. This is the bottom of the barrel, the sludge at the bottom, that is all that is left.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:44 pmNevar Says:
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Geez, Keltoi, who cares?
About? Football? It came up with the Rush thing. The Steeler gloat is just low hanging fruit. You aren’t from AZ, I hope…?
February 26th, 2009 at 7:46 pmWell, Keltoi it just seems a tad simplistic, and not very useful, that’s all. Unless you’re seeking to equate the surface features of the two comments and ignore the less-simplistic differences. For instance, the performance of a quarterback is easily and comprehensively measurable by all sorts of statistical analyses, but most especially in terms of wins and losses. Quarterbacks can lose their positions in a heartbeat (as McNabb lost his in the middle of this season just past, before leading an under-manned team to another NFC championship game).
No such volatility in the career of a governor. He’s got his job for four years, absent some kind of extraordinary circumstance). His performance is measured in much more abstract ways. A Party chairman can be removed at any time, but measurements of his performance are even more abstract than the governor’s.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:46 pmNevar Says:
Geez, Keltoi, who cares?
February 26th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Srsly…
February 26th, 2009 at 7:48 pmTrue. To me.
Explain how it looks differently to you.
Do you think that there is any reasonable upside to the media promoting a undeserving quarterback simply because he’s black?
Or do you find it unreasonable that the GOP could benefit from promoting minority figures in the face of their own primary demographic shrinking in proportion to the overall voting populace?
February 26th, 2009 at 7:52 pmGreat Content ????????????????????????????????????
And his own side labels it as “slum dog love ” ?????????
And can I guess that anti-immigrant zealot probably worked to keep Jindal’s dad OUT of the USA ?
I can’t come up with anything to top this.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:52 pmZooey Says:
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Nevar Says:
Geez, Keltoi, who cares?
February 26th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Srsly…
Ralph cares, and that is good enough for me!
ralph the wonder llama Says:
Well, Keltoi it just seems a tad simplistic, and not very useful, that’s all.
Yes, of course it is simplistic, we are trying to compare the utterly trivial with the deeply profound. And irritating Zooey in the process, so I’ll stop now.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:56 pmFootball is over, Keltoi.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:57 pmOkay, Keltoi, I’ll accept your frivolity and be grateful for it.
Not sure Zooey will be so grateful.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:59 pmralph. you’re working too hard. I’ll give you an option. You can back off the claim that Rush is a racist on the McNabb count and still have plenty of ammunition that he is a racist in general.
Because, in reality the two ideas (McNabb and Steele) are much more similar than they are different.
Those that have floated the idea that Steele was picked because he is black are not racists. And Rush believing that the media was giving McNabb undue preference because he was black, wasn’t either.
You’re okay, though. There are plenty of other Rush comments to hang the racist tag on.
February 26th, 2009 at 7:59 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Or do you find it unreasonable that the GOP could benefit from promoting minority figures in the face of their own primary demographic shrinking in proportion to the overall voting populace?
To the contrary, it would be unreasonable for them not to do this, assuming the minority figures were skilled politicians. And back to my previous point, if you win elections and make it to the Governor’s mansion, you must at least have some talent.
February 26th, 2009 at 8:03 pmbackup Says:
ralph. you’re working too hard. I’ll give you an option. You can back off the claim that Rush is a racist on the McNabb count and still have plenty of ammunition that he is a racist in general.
I’m sure that Ralph has been panting for a pat on the head from backup. TheBackupSealOfApproval.
Just like a little Solomon, backup is. “On the one hand” and “On the other hand” — always assured that everything is grey, no one is ever really right nor are they wrong.
February 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pmbackup Says:
See the difference here? One charge makes no sense. The other makes good sense.
ralph. To you, yes.
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if i were on the jury i would find in
ralph’s favor but i’m not troll trying
to support limbaugh and derail a thread.
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i’m sorry backup you don’t care for
the term troll, do you?
how about ditto head?
does that fit better for you?
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“et tu”?
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February 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pmNevar Says:
Football is over, Keltoi.
Yet there is still snow in my yard. It isn’t right.
February 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pmAgreed. Jindal must have some talent. Unfortunately none of it was on display Tuesday night. Hence the judgments (not shared by me) that his prominence as the hope for the GOP is based on race. I suspect race is part of his appeal to teh right but not reason enough.
February 26th, 2009 at 8:05 pm“Yet there is still snow in my yard. It isn’t right.”
Good thing the ball is dark skinned, eh?
February 26th, 2009 at 8:07 pmHence the judgment that the McNabb comment fits a pattern.
To you.
I’ve already explained in excruciating detail how they are different in fundamental ways. You keep insisting otherwise, with no other argument than your faux-reasonableness. it’s threadbare, b-cup. It’s the “other leading brand” of paper towel, trying to hold a cup of coffee after it’s been dampened.
Go Cheney yourself.
Hence the judgment, again, that the McNabb comments belong to a PATTERN.
Jeezus, you’re thick.
I think I’m done with you again. It’s a waste of time and I’m sorry I let myself get dragged into it with you.
February 26th, 2009 at 8:13 pmgummitch. you’re wrong. ; )
February 26th, 2009 at 8:20 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
backup Says:
ralph. you’re working too hard. I’ll give you an option. You can back off the claim that Rush is a racist on the McNabb count and still have plenty of ammunition that he is a racist in general.
Hence the judgment that the McNabb comment fits a pattern.
Because, in reality the two ideas (McNabb and Steele) are much more similar than they are different.
To you.
I’ve already explained in excruciating detail how they are different in fundamental ways. You keep insisting otherwise, with no other argument than your faux-reasonableness. it’s threadbare, b-cup. It’s the “other leading brand” of paper towel, trying to hold a cup of coffee after it’s been dampened.
You’re okay, though.
Go Cheney yourself.
There are plenty of other Rush comments to hang the racist tag on.
Hence the judgment, again, that the McNabb comments belong to a PATTERN.
Jeezus, you’re thick.
I think I’m done with you again. It’s a waste of time and I’m sorry I let myself get dragged into it with you.
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bravo ralph.
backup’s working on an inch
so later on he can take his mile.
btw, ask him the last time there
was a tp post about rush where
he didn’t jump in and defend his boy.
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i’d love to read his answer to that one.
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February 26th, 2009 at 8:25 pmI think he’s correct.
February 26th, 2009 at 8:25 pmbackup Says:
ElBruce. I also assume you are not racist. I read what you said, but your comments about Steele and Jindal seem very similar to Limbaugh’s criticism of McNabb.
Man, I am sick of talking about Rush.
Race is still relevant to politics. Race is not relevant to sports. That’s the difference.
Or how about let’s do this comparison: if I was an ESPN commentator or had a nationally syndicated radio show, I wouldn’t be throwing out causal connections between race and career or media attention so easily. But I’m not. I’m an anonymous Internet poster. If you think you’re proving anything by comparing Rush Limbaugh to random unkown loudmouths on the Internet, you’re not.
If I had to defend Maddow or Olbermann by saying that their comments were no worse than something an anonymous person on the Internet said, I’d know I was in trouble.
I’m not being hypocritical here: there’s acutally a different standard of having some idea of what the hell you’re talking about before you spout off, between having a national audience and guesting a comments page. Approximately 38.73% of the time I’m completely talking out my ass, and I have no problem with that. If I were a major media figure, I would consider that to be a high number, and would chew things over a bit more before I threw them out there.
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backup Says:
We need to have a more frank national discussion about race, but more frank on all sides.
Where do we draw the line? Should we give the floor over to the Aryan Nations for opening remarks?
February 26th, 2009 at 8:26 pmNevar Says:
I think he’s correct.
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a man walks into a doctors office
the doctor says to him “go to the
window and stick your tongue out.”
the man asks why. the doctor says
to him, “i’m mad at my neighbor!”
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February 26th, 2009 at 8:31 pmElBruce Says:
backup Says:
We need to have a more frank national discussion about race, but more frank on all sides.
Where do we draw the line? Should we give the floor over to the Aryan Nations for opening remarks?
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i hear they’re speaking at cpac this week.
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just a rumor.
;)
February 26th, 2009 at 8:33 pmThe big kid says to the little kid: “Go into the store and steal the candy.”
February 26th, 2009 at 8:35 pmThe little kid says: “Why me? Why don’t you do it?”
The big kid says: “I’m bigger than you are. They might see me”
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Tom Tancredo (R-CO) is after the “WHITE” voter anyway!
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February 26th, 2009 at 9:00 pmCan you imagine if President Obama talked the same as Michael Steele? OMG!
February 26th, 2009 at 9:14 pmI hate it when loonies like Tancredo and Huckabee are able to get through a whole segment without sounding completely insane … makes me nervous. Oh well, at least he’s not tall with good hair.
February 26th, 2009 at 9:22 pmAww, Rush aint got the guts to tell what he really thinks?
February 26th, 2009 at 9:40 pmCmon Rush, you just talked about how you had the guts to talk about failure and now you dont want people to speak against Jindals failure of a speech?
February 26th, 2009 at 9:41 pmIt is finally dawning on me…really sinking in…that the only ones left in the Republican party are the batsh*t crazy ones. As a former Republican (I have this thing for Teddy Roosevelt) it is truly sad and scary that THESE people are the face of the party. As a rabid Democrat and medicinal smoker, this is comedy gold.
February 26th, 2009 at 9:56 pmKayInMaine Says:
Can you imagine if President Obama talked the same as Michael Steele? OMG!
It’d be totally wack, dog! Dems don’t know slum love. Piece out.
February 26th, 2009 at 10:35 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
Nevar Says:
Football is over, Keltoi.
Yet there is still snow in my yard. It isn’t right.
February 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
I know what you mean, but ‘my’ football season ended with the Jets – nuff said there. But today we watched baseball, so I’m happier now.
February 26th, 2009 at 10:40 pmI think people have been aware of Jindal’s race before Slumdog Millionaire. It’s amazing these things they latch on to.
February 26th, 2009 at 10:52 pmOne might call Bobby Jindal this generation’s Dan Quayle.
February 26th, 2009 at 11:28 pmDon’t imagine the term “slum love” is going to do Jindal any favors.
February 26th, 2009 at 11:49 pmStick a fork in him and the republicans.
Good old “Booby” snatching defeat from the jaws of…I can’t, he was done b4 he opened his mouth.
February 27th, 2009 at 12:05 amSteele is just plain embarrassing.
February 27th, 2009 at 12:09 amTommy T: All sizzle, no steak.
February 27th, 2009 at 12:18 amWax Jindal’s legs and put him in a swimsuit. Then Rush will absolutely adore him.
Then again, if the GOP runs every credible presidential candidate they have in front of the media firing squad by July 4 of this year, Obama’s competition could come straight off of Faux News by 2012.
Then that would be a race to remember, simply to see if Obama takes every state.
February 27th, 2009 at 12:49 am“Sorry to say this, I don’t think he’s been that good from the get-go,” Limbaugh said. “I think what we’ve had here is a little social concern in the NFL. The media has been very desirous that a black quarterback do well. There is a little hope invested in McNabb, and he got a lot of credit for the performance of this team that he didn’t deserve. The defense carried this team.”
this is the quote by limbaugh on mcnabb… courtesy of espn.com
here’s some things to consider. this was 2003.
McNabb had just been to 3 straight pro-bowls, 2 consecutive NFC championship games and had been runner up for league MVP.
Teams results are generally attributed to the quarterback, there’s a reason that is the only position in which wins and losses are tracked.
you didn’t hear rush saying this about tom brady, even though at this time the patriots defense was CERTAINLY carrying his team. Also at this point in time McNabb was considered one of the top 3 quarterbacks in the league and had the numbers to back it up.
rush’s point of view was that people only thought he was that good because he was black and that he didn’t deserve the credit he was getting.
if you don’t find this racist, i don’t know what to say to you.
this isn’t saying he got his job because he’s black, this is saying people only respect his all-star performances as all-star performances because he was black, he completely discredited the accomplishments of mcnabb because of his skin color and his perception that the media wanted to promote a black man, not that mcnabb had earned the praise by playing better then almost every other qb in the nfl.
this is very different from comments made here about steele
February 27th, 2009 at 1:07 amcalavzma Says:
this is very different from comments made here about steele
Again, the difference is simple: race is relevant to politics. Race is not relevant to sports. To racists, race is relevant to just about everything. So if someone’s talking about race being a factor in sports, that’s a pretty good indication that they’re racist. But talking about race being a factor in politics is not racist, because it really is one.
February 27th, 2009 at 1:17 ambruce,
i agree that race isn’t relevant to sports per se,
but sports largely paved the way for integration. jackie robinson was breaking color barriers when there were still seperate bathrooms.
in spain, recently, spanish fans through bananas at opposing french players of african decent.
race is a factor in all parts of our society and sports is a big part of the culture in the united states and in most nations.
so although race has no business in the assessment of players abilities in sports, it also has no business in the assessments of a politicians ability in politics.
the social aspects of race are not less relevant in sports or in politics because issues of race are critical to the advancement of our society, dealing with issues like the lack of african american representation in coaching etc. is something that tells us a great deal about where our society stands on race.
i think the difference is more that you’re questioning steeles imposed role as the face of a party known for alienating minorities seems somewhat suspicious and like they might be using it for political gain.
your statements would have been the same as rushes if you had said republicans only think steele has any sort of political prowess because he is black
i think that is where the difference lies.
February 27th, 2009 at 1:27 amGreat content?
In the first place, Jindal didn’t write the speech—so who are you complimenting?
We need tax breaks to create jobs? How much evidence do you need that we tried that and it didn’t work? It gave us the worst economy since the Great Depression! Clinton created 8(?) times as many jobs!
Republicans want to make healthcare more affordable?? Where is the slightest evidence that is true? There IS evidence they want to make it more expensive!
And if it is true that his whole Katrina anecdote was a lie—then he should be toast!
And lastly, how come Steele can say friggin’, but I can’t say an@logous?
February 27th, 2009 at 2:01 amp.s.: Steele would be an@logous to McNabb if McNabb didn’t know the quarterback should line up behind center to take the snap!
February 27th, 2009 at 2:04 am…mcnabb didn’t know that a game could end in a tie
hahaha
February 27th, 2009 at 2:11 amNever mind Jindal being the next Obama – he’s the next Dukakis!
February 27th, 2009 at 2:47 amA jivin’ Steele is going to drive away the bubba vote. Sammy Davis Jr., he AIN’T.
February 27th, 2009 at 8:44 amcalavzma Says:
bruce,
i agree that race isn’t relevant to sports per se,
but sports largely paved the way for integration. jackie robinson was breaking color barriers when there were still seperate bathrooms.
Because it’s so hard to break through racial barriers, usually the first persons to do so are incredibly good: Jessie Owens, Jackie Robinson, Tiger Woods, Barack Obama. But while there were not a lot of black quarterbacks, you couldn’t say there was an unbroken racial barrier.
Race itself does not affect success in a sport. It might be relevant to peoples’ attitude towards a sport, but it doesn’t affect the score of the game
In politics, one’s race may affect “the score of the game,” i.e. the number of votes received.
That right there is a huge difference.
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