RNC Chair Michael Steele on Limbaugh: ‘Yes, it’s incendiary. Yes, it’s ugly.’
RNC Chair Michael Steele on Limbaugh: ‘Yes, it’s incendiary. Yes, it’s ugly.’
Last night, RNC Chairman Michael Steele appeared on D.L. Hughley’s show on CNN and disputed Hughley’s statement that Rush Limbaugh “is the de facto leader of the Republican Party.” “I’m the de facto leader of the Republican Party!” Steele insisted. Steele admitted that Limbaugh’s shtick is “incendiary” and “ugly”:
STEELE: So let’s put it into context here. Let’s put it into context here. Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment. Yes, it’s incendiary. Yes, it’s ugly.
Watch it:
Transcript:
HUGHLEY: You know what we do, we talk like we’re talking now. You have your view. I have mine. We don’t need incendiary rhetoric.
STEELE: Exactly.
HUGHLEY: Like Rush Limbaugh, who is the de facto leader of the Republican Party.
STEELE: No, he’s not.
HUGHLEY: I will tell you what …
STEELE: I’m the de facto leader of the Republican Party.
HUGHLEY: You know what? I can appreciate that. But no one will actually decry down some of the things he says. Like when he comes out and says he wants the president to fail. I understand he wants liberalism to fail. Like, I get it’s not about the man. But it is still about the idea that he would rather have an idea fail so his idea can move to the forefront. And that would succeed. And that to me is destructive.
STEELE: How is that any different than what was said about George Bush during his presidency?
HUGHLEY: You’re absolutely — let me say something. You’re absolutely right.
STEELE: So let’s put it into context here. Let’s put it into context here. Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment. Yes, it’s incendiary. Yes, it’s ugly.
D: You do get a sense that he would say anything.
HUGHLEY: He influences the party. And I tell you what, you’re the first Republican I have talked to, and I have talked to a lot, to say he’s not the leader of his party. I have never heard anybody say that on any show.
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Does Steele have to repeat EVERYTHING twice?
March 2nd, 2009 at 9:53 amAt least he didn’t call him a comedian, because that fat ass is not funny.
March 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 amGotta give SteelyMike his props. At least he’s calling the pig squealing correctly. Unfortunately, for many of the Ducking Fittoheads, it’s not entertainment, it’s their religion.
March 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 amSTEELE: I’m the de facto leader of the Republican Party.
You know how Republicans need titles to compensate for their very short commings… This could be the way to get them to fight each other, while the Democats get stuff accomplished…
March 2nd, 2009 at 9:57 am“You have absolutely no reason, none, to trust our words or our actions at this point.”
— Michael Steele
March 2nd, 2009 at 9:59 amSteele has an argument that, in his role as chairman of the RNC, he is the de facto head of the party.
However, some might argue that he is the figurative head of the Party, and Limbaugh is the de facto leader — spiritually, rhetorically, effectively.
At least until the republicans prove differently by going against something, anything he says on his radio show.
(sigh) It’s been a waste of time asking for better trolls; I guess it’s equally futile requesting a better opposition party, hm?
March 2nd, 2009 at 9:59 amhow long before mikey has to apologize to the limpball?
March 2nd, 2009 at 9:59 amsteele-limpballs…
i wondered when those two would come to blows…
go get him, michael!
ah hahahahaha!
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:01 amAs long as the Republicans are arguing over who owns the ball, they aren’t able to play their game. Sounds good to me.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:01 amWhen is someone going to be brave enough to challenge these false equivalencies?
No one hoped that Bush failed. The public was fully supportive of him early in his presidency. No one outside the fringe was on the TV or radio cheerleading for his failure. I’m tired of hearing how opposing Bush’s destructive policies AFTER they were implemented, is somehow comparable to Republicans today wishing for the country to go down the drain so they can advance their own cause.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:04 amSo… what’s going to do about an entertainer being the intellectual muscle in the GOP?
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:04 amHow about a cage match with SteelyMike and RushOxycontin? No time limit, ladders, maces, switchblades all ok.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:04 amHate to break it to you, steeleyed one, but YOU are entertainment, too. What makes your shtick especially pathetic rather than merely “incendiary and ugly” is that you apparently fail to realize just HOW much of a clown you are–partly a result of deliberate rethug selection, partly a result of your own obvious naivete.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:05 amkaty Says:
steele-limpballs…
i wondered when those two would come to blows…
Come to BLOWS?! Love it!
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:06 amI’ll tell ya, Mikey, plain and simple: despite all the whining of the Right to the contrary, the Left did not hope that conservatism failed. The Left did not hope that Bush would fail. Not publicly, not even privately in my experience.
There is a big difference between criticizing policy and hoping for failure, and you confuse the two, as most Republicans do these days, desperately seeking some cover from Limbaugh’s obviously stupid, ungracious and even anti-American statements.
We watched him fail, and saw it coming, but we as Americans hoped he would succeed in Iraq, that his economic policies would deliver the prosperity he promised. They didn’t, and we predicted it. But it doesn’t mean we hoped for the destruction of our country. That’s something that seems unique to the Right.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:06 amSo the Republican idea of entertainment is that it should be incendiary and ugly?
Rather like their idea of government.
If you don’t believe in good government, you should stay out of it.
Likewise for entertainment.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:09 amEd in NJ Says:
When is someone going to be brave enough to challenge these false equivalencies?
No one hoped that Bush failed.
Actually, Ed, a LOT of us DID hope that Bush failed–but we tried to EXPRESS those hopes at the ballot box in 2004. You’re right, though, that we did not try to harpoon him at every turn. [LAMPOON him, now that's another story. . . Grade A troll-whacking. And how I'd loooove to "harpoon" that porky troglodite rushbo!]
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:10 amWhen some moronic fringe group like CPAC gives Mikey “You be de man” Steele an award like they gave Limpballs this past weekend, then he can claim to be the leader of the Rushpublican party…
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:11 amAnd the difference is, we didn’t WANT Bush to fail, he just WAS a failure.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:12 amCNN let Rush speak for more than an hour without commercial interruption on Saturday.
Steele needs to ask himself if any network would do the same for him.
I’ll give him the answer NO.
Now who’s the head of the Republican party?
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:12 amBut but but Newt Gingrich is the de facto leader!
I think, or maybe it was Sarah Palin…
Joe the plumb..digital conver… umm journal..err advisor is the de facto leader..Wait isnt Joes last name Jindal, or was that Bobby Brady..
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:12 amSTEELE: I’m the de facto leader of the Republican Party
Very hip-hop there, Michael.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:12 amI agree, we watched the failures of Bush, and we howled about them because we could see the destructive results on America. We didn’t hope for failure – we simply refused to bury our heads in the sand while our country was being ruined.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:13 amThe repugs of today, led by Lintball, WANT Obama (and America) to fail because they place their party and their ideology over everything else.
Steele is insulted by Lintball, but that doesn’t mean he is any better.
When you have to insist that you’re the de facto leader of the Republican Party…
..you’re not the de facto leader of the republican party.
(I think Steele meant he was the ‘de jure’ leader.) Potayto potahto…potato head.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:14 amRush Limbaugh is like Ben Franklin…except women liked Ben Franklin and then there is that enlightenment thing Franklin was a part and being a scientist..which Rush isnt..
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:14 amSTEELE: So let’s put it into context here. Let’s put it into context here. Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment.
– - True dat, M-Steele:
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:15 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELRmgJw8muw&eurl=http://cgi.fark.com/cgi/fark/vidplayer.pl?IDLink=4166300
Steele / Limbaugh / Ugly
See? The headline said it all…now let’s move on to something pertinent, mmmK?
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:17 amhanshiro Says:
(I think Steele meant he was the ‘de jure’ leader.) Potayto potahto…potato head.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:14 am
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Yah, I was wondering about that, too. Is Steele telling us that he’s just a figurehead, and that the party’s actually being run by some other shadowy figure lurking on the fringes of the dark side? Cheney, perhaps? Rove? Did Steele just slip up and admit this secret on basic cable?
Not that it would surprise anyone, of course. You don’t REALLY think the Republicans would elect a black dude, do you?
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 amlimbaugh is the de facto leader of the republican party.
steele is the de jure leader of the republican party.
yeah, that’s the ticket.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 10:19 am26. Xisithrus Says: Rush Limbaugh is like Ben Franklin
The only similarities are that Franklin wanted a turkey as the national symbol. The GOP now has one as their national symbol.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:20 amRush is such an angry devisive figure. Why would they choose him? It’s crazy!
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:21 amSteele is the TITULAR leader …
nah, too easy.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:22 amwell, larkBuckeye, see, we elected a BLACK MAN as president.
And that just infuriates these reichwingers.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 ami give it 24 hours before steele issues an apology to tub-o-lard.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 amGuido the Loving OBGYN Says:
Rush Limbaugh is fat. And his fans are fat.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:09 am
Heh. More like the de fatso leader of the Republican party. Am I rite?
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 amHanshiro said: The only similarities are that Franklin wanted a turkey as the national symbol. The GOP now has one as their national symbol.
Heh.
Im pretty sure thats a lipsticked hog in a turkey dress
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:23 amWas it a Democrat who wanted to drown the government, you know that quaint thing called “we the people”, in a bathtub?
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:24 am#21 hit the nail on the head. Precisely why does an entertainer get 80 minutes of uninterrupted TV news time on 2 networks? What does it mean about republicans to know that they wanted their keynote to be an entertainer and not someone that was actually elected into office? What does it mean that their keynote is accountable only to advertisers rather than citizens?
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:27 am38.PatrioticLiberalChristian Says: Was it a Democrat who wanted to drown the government, you know that quaint thing called “we the people”, in a bathtub?
That was Field Marshall Grover Norquist.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:29 amWhat are there, 3 black people in the gop of old white men and they needed to improve their image on racial issues….
Disingenuous and dishonest, just as one might expect.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:29 amThat’s the stock excuse for every offensive remark made by any of the conservative media empire’s talking heads.
Oh, they were just joking. You don’t take any of this SERIOUSLY, do you? These people are just entertainers.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:32 amRush Limbaugh, torchlit parades, burning crosses–these are all entertainment.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:32 am41. Fred Says: What are there, 3 black people in the gop of old white men and they needed to improve their image on racial issues….
I like how Wyatt Cenac phased it; the “vibrant face of the ‘3rd party’ republican party:” A black guy, an indian guy and a MILF-y wolf huntress…
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:35 amhanshiro, yeah, I remember. And we need to remind voters every once in a while what this current crop of neocons tried and succeeded in doing to our country. President Obama’s success would result in their failure.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:35 amShouldn’t some old timer have posted RUSH RULES and some other nonsence all in bold by now? Where is that guy…
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:37 am“michael Steele! you be da man! you be da man!”
- michelle bachmann
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feel better mike?
:)
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:39 amJust curious, but if someone admits something is ugly & incendiary and then calls it “entertaining”, aren’t they implicitly saying they LIKE it?
I recall Hugo Chavez calling Bush foul names and bad-mouting him at the UN. That was ugly and incendiary. And if anyone said it was entertaining, wouldn’t that be cause for alarm?
Why is this any different? Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, et. al. are essentially calling for overthrow and illigitimacy because they disagree with his policies. Yet this is “ENTERTAINING”???
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:40 amD-Fakt-O
Is that Steele’s rap name?
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:40 amSTEELE: Yes, it’s incendiary. Yes, it’s ugly.
But let’s talk about Limbaugh…
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:40 am“Steele admitted that Limbaugh’s shtick is “incendiary” and “ugly””
then perhaps steele should appoint someone to monitor the talking points sent to tub-o-lard from the RNC a little more closely.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:40 ammorning twaaaacie,
i see you’re here representing the “country first” contingency with your anti-american drivel once again.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:42 amTracy_5, take your argument up with Rush. HE’S the one who made the comments. Let us know how the conversation goes.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:43 amWhat kind of BS is that?
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I don’t know is it at all like this kind?
“and anyone who thinks otherwise is as liar just as the did with Reagan. Publically? That’s because they are too cowardly to admit what they think.”
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:44 amTracy__5 Says:
“That’s because they are too cowardly to admit what they think. ”
so, twaaacie, in delusionalpunkland where you reside it’s “courageous” to commit an act of treason during a time of war?
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:45 amYes you are. You haven’t been right about anything yet…..
name one sucess story for you righties.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:47 amAgain the anti-american contingency is the far left.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 10:47 amHow so and please include specifics to support your thesis…
“The ones who own most of the country ” says Tracy_5, about Republicans. This is revealing indeed.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:48 amThe Republican party has ceded their platform to a shock jock.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:48 am…….”incendiary and ugly” = yeah THAT’s the repugnican party. Right there. Defined.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:48 amSo what ya think . . . he’ll be apologizing/sucking up to Limbaugh by Thursday.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:48 amTracy__5 Says:
The Left absolutely wanted Bush to fail and anyone who thinks otherwise is as liar just as the did with Reagan. Publically? That’s because they are too cowardly to admit what they think.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:39 am
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Ahh, I get it. And you have proof of this, I’m sure. Some sort of Psychic Morons network or something, no doubt.
Still, it’s good that we have psychic morons like yourself able to decipher what we “mean,” since we’re obviously too cowardly to say it. I mean, it’s not like anyone on this blog ever talks frankly about anything, right?
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:49 amGo Cheney yourself, Tracist.
As you quoted me, I said “in my experience” and that’s the truth. I don’t know anyone who seriously wished that Bush would fail. You calling me a liar for saying that reveals what a dishonest shit you are.
Saying stupid shit that supports the destruction of our economic system isn’t courage. It’s just stupid.
And projecting your own hatred onto others doesn’t demonstrate the truth of what you say. It primarily reveals the insecurities which drive you to post ill-informed invective on anonymous blogs.
Maybe you can explain how the President can fail in this precarious financial situation without the nation’s economy falling into chaos and a Depression.
Of course, maybe that would be a good outcome for you, because it would mean conservatives were no longer politically irrelevant.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:50 amTwaaacccie,
to paraphrase your idol tub-o-lard, “just SHUT UP. just sit in the corner and SHUT UP until you win an election.”
it’s been two election cycles in which your ideology has been rejected by americans. see a pattern twacciieeee?
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:50 amTracy__5 Says:
I guess I was hoping for someone here that actually has the courage to admit what they won’t publically.
I hope you have the courage to finally admit that you have been sexually involved with your sister and your brother for the past eight years, thus cheating on your mother.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:51 amTracy__5 Says:
“How so and please include specifics to support your thesis…”
I am sure you can figure out what is ment by the far left. You sure ask alot of questions that have obvious answers.
It’s a matter of perspective. Wingnuts like you think that Bill Clinton represents the “far left.”
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:54 amHey Tracy_5, can you guess what my next post is going to be?
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:55 amWill you know what it means?
hanshiro Says:
The only similarities are that Franklin wanted a turkey as the national symbol. The GOP now has one as their national symbol.
…which they proudly stand in front of while it gets put through a slaughterhouse.
Going back to the talk from Mr. Steele, I have the sinking feeling that he was leading up to a BUT statement. That will be his escape clause.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:55 amI think the issue, Tracist, is that you make a lot of claims that are unsupported by objective reality.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:56 amI am sure you can figure out what is ment by the far left. You sure ask alot of questions that have obvious answers.
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Come on Tracy_5. You can do better than that can’t you? See the thing is when you make declaritive statements say like this…
“Again the anti-american contingency is the far left.”
you have to assume someone will expect you to be able to back upi the BS. Weren’t you asking earlier about BS? I am calling you on yours. Make your case or go away. K?
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:57 amTracy__5 Says:
“The Left did not hope that Bush would fail. Not publicly, not even privately in my experience.”
The Left absolutely wanted Bush to fail and anyone who thinks otherwise is as liar just as the did with Reagan. Publically? That’s because they are too cowardly to admit what they think.
You’re such a fool. You’re honestly (ha!) suggesting that the crowd here is afraid to admit what they think? Hell, we can’t shut them up.
I know of absolutely no one who hoped Reagan or Bush would fail, because the people I know are intelligent enough to understand that failure at that left cripples the entire country and beyond, and we love the country too much to want that to happen. “Conservatives” like you and Limbaugh don’t care if the country goes down the toilet. In fact, that would make you happier than pigs in sh!t because then you would convince yourselves you were “right”.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:57 amTracy__5 Says:
I guess I was hoping for someone here that actually has the courage to admit what they won’t publically. Ralph surely won’t do it.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:48 am
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I have the courage to admit my true feelings about the Bush administration:
I did not at any time wish for Bush to take this country into a quagmire in Iraq and abandon Afghanistan to a resurgent Taliban.
I did not at any time wish for Bush to help deregulate the banking system and build an economic bubble based on toxic assets.
I did not at any time wish for Bush to gut FEMA to the point that it was thoroughly ill-equipped to respond to a hurricane striking a major city.
I did not at any time wish for Bush to rewrite the most basic and fundamental Constitutional and international laws to legitimize torture and indefinite detention, thus recruiting thousands of additional terrorists to take up arms against us.
I did not at any time wish for Bush to ignore intelligence that clearly warned of an impending al-Qa’ida attack.
This may be difficult for you to believe, but I’d actually prefer it if the country was not in two failed wars, an economic collapse, a torturing pariah state, and still had New Orleans and the World Trade Center. I’d really like that.
I put the health and well-being of my country and its citizens ABOVE ideology, you see. I’d be quite happy if Bush had not been a complete failure. I’d be quite happy if my criticisms of the Bush administration had turned out to be wrong.
But, alas, I was right, and he was a failure. Bummer.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:59 amI never liked GWB, not from the first time I saw him. He just felt wrong to me. But when he was put into office in 2000, I thought he’d be an unremarkable one term president and we’d move on. That all changed for me when I found out he’d ignored the PDB telling him bin Laden was going to attack. That’s when I started to truly despise the man.
Even then, I never hoped he’d fail, because that would mean the failure of this country — which GWB almost managed to achieve anyway.
Tracy is a piss-soaked troll, and always will be. Flag it and ignore it.
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:59 amHmm, typos are getting weird. “Failure at that [level] cripples . . .”
March 2nd, 2009 at 10:59 amBarry Goldwater warned the GOP about allowing the hatefilled religious right to take over the party. Now they are seeing the benefits thay gained from all their moral and social hate. It will be a long time before they recover. They haven’t hit bottom yet. Looking to a female governor without vetting her for running mate for McCain, going to a fake plumber for advise, and now allowing a drug addled gas bag, who has not formal education, to be the keynote speaker? Come on. They have nothing to offer.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:00 amI notice that tracy doesn’t have the “courage” to list just one thing the right has been sucessful at…very telling that he completely dodges this obvious flaw in his logic.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:03 amFred Says:
I notice that tracy doesn’t have the “courage” to list just one thing the right has been sucessful at…very telling that he completely dodges this obvious flaw in his logic.
That’s because Bush wasn’t a “real” conservative. Nor, apparently, was Lord Cheney. Or Nixon. Or Goldwater, probably.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:05 amtrace,
mike steele’s the boss here.
not you.
got it?
:)
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:06 amGive me a fracking break. Walk up to any random Republican in the street and ask him/her if s/he knows who Michael Steele is. Bet you get a blank look. If you do happen to stumble across one who knows Steele’s name, ask them if they can name one political position or view that Steele holds.
Now, ask the follow-up question. Ask them if they know who Rush Limbaugh is. OF COURSE THEY DO! Ask them to talk about Rush, and you could be there all day listening them sing the praises of the drug-deaf, Viagra-popping sex freak.
Steele may be the DE JURE leader of the GOP, but Rush is definitely the DE FACTO leader. Even Newt the Grinch can’t knock him off that pedestal.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:08 amTracy__5 Says:
We on the right aren’t hoping for the country to fail.Wanting to be proven right AGAIN about policies that don’t work isn’t a bad thing.
The country overwhelmingly voted for President Obama. We, the good Americans who voted for President Obama want him to succeed. When you want President Obama to fail you want our country to fail. your denying that fact does not make it untrue. It used to be unpatriotic to question the President during a time of war. It used to be treasonous. Tracy_5 is a traitor to our country.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:13 amtracy_5 says:
Wanting to be proven right AGAIN about policies that don’t work isn’t a bad thing.
And speaking of polices that don’t work, tax cuts for the rich don’t work. Randomly torturing people and then calling them terrorists does’t work, repeating the slogans of failed campaigns doesn’t work.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:15 amtrace,
that was rambling.
but mike steele’s still boss.
deal with it.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:16 amWow, interesting stuff, I’m changing the channel to Buggs Bunny.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:18 amYou’re the sodomite Tracy_5 PLC is just calling it like he sees it. You pervert.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:19 amtrace,
it’s mike,
not rush,
live with it.
:)
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:20 amHey Tracy_5:
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:20 amIt would be off topic but do you want to have modern evolutionary theory explained to you again or are you gonna answer my simply request that you back up your BS?
keith,
bugs.
not buggs.
best,
joe
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:21 amTracy_5 sees a drug addled draft dodger who preys on young third world boys as his role model, that tells you all you need to know about the republican party these days.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:22 amSee it is shit like this Tracy_5
“Saying that we disagree with policies that WIll destroy our economic system is a simple desent.”
You can’t just make declaritive statements and expect other thinking people to buy the crap you try to sell. Am I to believe you are some sort of fortuneteller?
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:22 amTracy isn’t denying that rush is incendiary or ugly you all notice, Tracy just wants everyone to know that rush is the leader of tracy’s party.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:23 am“Who we have in the WH now makes Clinton look like Reagan.”
how do you figure,. twaaaccciieee. i don’t recall clinton selling arms to terrorist nations (iran) to fund terrorist organization in central america (the contras)
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:24 amTrue but, Bill Clinton was not on the far left and I have never thought that. Who we have in the WH now makes Clinton look like Reagan.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:24 am—
How so and try to include specific this time. Didn’t any teacher ever address with your class how to make a persuasive agrument?
I you can’t figure it out on your own I am not going to help you. Educate yourself for a change. K?
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:26 amAh the thinly veiled calling of uncle by those that know when they are beat but whose false pride prevents them from admitting it…
Tracy__5 Says:
#75
“It’s a matter of perspective. Wingnuts like you think that Bill Clinton represents the “far left.””
True but, Bill Clinton was not on the far left and I have never thought that. Who we have in the WH now makes Clinton look like Reagan.
Thank God. And remember Tracy, our country voted for President Obama overwhelmingly…
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:26 am“I you can’t figure it out on your own I am not going to help you. Educate yourself for a change. K?”
let me translate twaccie speak for anyone not familiar: i can’t prove a damn thing i say thus, i will pin the responsibility of proving my argument on you.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:27 amt_5, how about not being a little baby, be a man, not a cowardly little child. Answer the question:
name one sucess story from the right……just one t, that should be easy. Why do you complain about others yet cower in the corner and not answer direct questions? Could it be…..to easy.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:27 amtrace,
just because mike’s black
doesn’t make him any less of a man.
just because rush’s fat
doesn’t make him any less of a pig.
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mike’s in charge.
capice?
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:28 amWhy should I say “go fu(k yourself”? You knew what I was saying, didn’t ya? Nice legacy for your Republican Vice-President, huh?
Okay, Tracist, have it your way, maybe you get off on it; go fu(k yourself. Happy? You have no idea who I know or what I’ve done. For you to sit at your keyboard and proclaim that “who I know is limited” demonstrates the threadbare weakness of any argument you have to offer.
Where did you project hatred? I’d say “they are too cowardly to admit what they think” qualifies. especially when all it does is make you feel better about your own cowardice. You’re reading minds now, is that it?
The problem as i see it is that you just have no ability to understand how others think, if they don’t think like you do. You wish for Obama’s failure, so you assume everyone who opposed Bush did the same. It’s the binary, fear-based right-wing mind at work. And it’s the kind of thinking that drove our nation to the state it’s in today, where only “socialist” government spending can keep the whole financial system from eating itself. Nice work, Tracist.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:29 amConservatives like Limbaugh OWN the country so what would they want it to fail?
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:31 amSince when is Rush Chinese?
More likely comparison is Obama to JFK, and that my fine feathered friend is what terrifies you jerk offs.
answer the question t5, name one sucess story for the right.
you have been owned on this thread as usual, you look like a complete moron. Good representation for the right actually.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 amTypical troll. Makes absurd claims and then expects us to prove them for him.
Talk about a chickenshit.
Yo, Tracist, if you’re so much smarter than us, aren’t you in the position of educating us?
Or maybe you’re afraid your claims can’t stand up to scrutiny, because you pulled them out from between your butt cheeks?
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:32 am“Conservatives like Limbaugh OWN the country so what would they want it to fail?”
really twaaaccieeee, perhaps you should clue in warren buffet and bill gates.
conservatives like tub-o-lard are nothing more than corporatist parasites who kneel in front of and bob their heads for their corporate masters
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:33 amno maybe to it Ralph, t5 is a coward and an internet bully. All the qualities required to be a good right winger.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:40 amAn entertainer? What kind of people are entertained by a divorced, child molesting, drug addicted, misogynistic, racist, anti-american, boor?
Republicans of course. The american taliban, the destroyer of civilizations.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:41 am17 comments by trace.
no mention of the topic, mike steele.
what a sick, racist troll
you are trace.
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how do you live with yourself?
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:43 amMike is just a puppet!
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:44 amTracy__5 Says:
“I hope you have the courage to finally admit that you have been sexually involved with your sister and your brother for the past eight years, thus cheating on your mother.”
This comming from a Christian?….oh maybe you are a liberal Christian. Once again you prove the point about cloaking yourself.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:17 am
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Note that Tracy doesn’t deny the sexual involvement with his sister, brother, and mother. Thus, it’s obviously true.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:44 amRUCerious Says:
How about a cage match with SteelyMike and RushOxycontin? No time limit, ladders, maces, switchblades all ok.
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I’m still waiting for the Big Slapdown between El Rushbo and Newtie…
Blimpo-a-blimpo…
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:44 amavchavis Says:
Mike is just a puppet!
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you take that back!
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:46 amTracy__5 Says:
The Left absolutely wanted Bush to fail and anyone who thinks otherwise is as liar just as the did with Reagan. Publically? That’s because they are too cowardly to admit what they think.
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In court this would be considered conjecture and rightfully bounced.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:46 amYou have to love the irony that the chairman of the RNC is fighting over control of the party with an entertainer of their own creation. They have, for a long time, nursed the idea of Rush as something more than a way to sell soap. I’m betting that they are starting to regret quashing Rush’s prosecution on doctor shopping charges. Clearly Limbaugh’s ego has become as rotund as his rear and he now believes his own schtick. I guess if you sit on your ass all day collecting a huge paycheck and listening to a steady stream of carefully chosen drones telling you that you are “a great American”, you will come to believe it.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:46 amdo i stand alone?
can any one else here
see what this puny troll
is doing to mike steele?
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shame on all of you.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:47 ampd Says:
You have to love the irony that the chairman of the RNC is fighting over control of the party with an entertainer of their own creation. They have, for a long time, nursed the idea of Rush as something more than a way to sell soap. I’m betting that they are starting to regret quashing Rush’s prosecution on doctor shopping charges. Clearly Limbaugh’s ego has become as rotund as his rear and he now believes his own schtick. I guess if you sit on your ass all day collecting a huge paycheck and listening to a steady stream of carefully chosen drones telling you that you are “a great American”, you will come to believe it.
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pd, you’re getting close.
thanks dude.
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the rest of you?
shame, shame, shame!!!
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:48 amIn court this would be considered conjecture and rightfully bounced.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:49 amEven if the defendent declared that it was so and told the judge and jury that they needed to educate themselves? Wouldn’t that be all that was needed?
The funniest thing is when t5 or captain say things like “if you were honest” That always cracks me up.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:49 amDid Hughley get around to asking Steele what he thought of that whole “Magic Negro” jingle??
I Mike “down” with that? Does he think it’s “off the hook”?
Maybe Mr. Steele would like Mr. Limbaugh to produce a jingle for him, too?
If he’ll let M. Bachman shout “you be da man” at him, I suppose the Rush jingle would be just fine.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:49 am18 comments by trace.
no mention of mike steele.
what hatred you have in your
heart and soul for this man, trace.
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if you had a heart and soul.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:52 amI think you ment to draw out the “r” and not the “e”
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 amWe were brought out of the recession of he early 1980s by Reagan’s tax cuts. Unless you can claim something else.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:54 amTracy_5
Are you familiar with multivarient statistics or the idea of N dimensionality? Just wondering if your color wheel had more than two hues…
Tracy__5 Says:
Conservatives like Limbaugh OWN the country so what would they want it to fail?
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Actually, I’d hazard a guess that this is what folk like Rush are really scared of:
http://faithfulprogressive.blogspot.com/2008/10/famous-socialist-presidents-eisenhower.html
SATURDAY, OCTOBER 25, 2008
Famous Socialist Presidents: Eisenhower, Gerald Ford and Woodrow Wilson– If You Use McCain’s Wacky Definition
Did you know that all of the Presidents from Woodrow Wilson to Jimmy Carter were “socialists?” In 1917, with Wilson at the helm, the top tax rate was 67 percent. Under President Dwight D. Eisenhower it was 92 percent. President Gerald Ford kept the top tax rate steady at 70 percent. Under President Clinton, where Sen. Obama has pledged to restore it, the top rate was 39.6. Today it is at 35%.
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Absolutely crapping themselves that the highest income tax rates will start inching back upwards.
Funny thing, that.
Notice the highest rate was under Eisenhower, the last GOOD GOOP president. GOOPers are always wistfully pining for a return to the Fifties, when life was SOOOOOO much better in this country… which strangely enough, coincides w/ the peak of union strength and the highest tax rates on the uber-rich. Dang…
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:55 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNm2kXtrBxU&feature=related
this is a slightly dated video but its hillarious and demonstrates how much of an idiot rush is.
in the beginning he talks about how if we distribute condoms we might as well distribute drugs or guns
then moves on to saying we don’t need to worry about the environment because god will take care of everything
and, my personal favorite, seems to think the idea that CFCs from airisol sprays could destroy the ozone layer.
the reason i like that the best is that now we KNOW that to be the case, CFCs do indeed destroy the ozone layer.
rush has no intellectual curiosity or integrity
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:55 amhe’s also clearly a religious fundamentalist
“But you didn’t wish that the invasion didn’t work and that the surge didn’t work and we would pull out. Did you not?”
there goes twaaacccie putting words in people’s mouths. we were against the illegal invasion of iraq from the get go and history has vindicated our position.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:55 amOn the domestic policy side? Absolutely.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:57 amIs that the one that hates my freedoms? You know getting big government out of my bedroom and stuff like that?
t5, stop it. You little chicken. answer the question:
name one sucess story for the right wing, just one. Why would that be so hard?
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:57 amTracy__5 Says:
On the domestic policy side? Absolutely.
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‘Course, by this measure, the vast majority of GOOPers currently in Congress aren’t conservatives either.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:57 am20 comments by trace.
still no mention of mike steele.
trace, other than being black,
what did mike steele ever
do to you?
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(shamed silence)
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March 2nd, 2009 at 11:57 am#49,
Way way back. I remember Hugo Chavez’s rant against Bush. The problem with the comparison is by the time Chavez appeared before U.N. most people agreed with him.
As did I. It had nothing to do with wishing for failure. Bush had already failed the american people and the rest of the world in the grandest fashion possilbe.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:57 am“We were brought out of the recession of he early 1980s by Reagan’s tax cuts. Unless you can claim something else.”
and reygun’s sleight-of-hand economics produced a nice little recession for George h.w bush, resulting in him only serving one term.
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:58 amWhen can we call the party of Lincoln, RUSHpublicans?
March 2nd, 2009 at 11:59 amYou forgot to add “God willing”, Trace.
That IS what you’re hoping for, right?
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:00 pmwhen will one of you fu(kers
finally figure it out?
trace doesn’t want to talk about
the topic here, mike steele.
SO
put his feet to the fire on that subject
and stop letting him divert you.
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capice?
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:01 pman economic collapse”
You haven’t seen anything yet.
You forgot to add “God willing”, Trace.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:02 pmor “as foretold by prophecy”
ralph the wonder llama Says:
Tracy__5 Says:
“an economic collapse”
You haven’t seen anything yet.
You forgot to add “God willing”, Trace.
That IS what you’re hoping for, right?
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ralph, take the ring out of your nose dude
or trace is just going to keep tugging on it.
mike steele, remember?
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:03 pmExactly wrong. Reagan followed his tax cuts of the early eighties with the largest tax hike in history to that point, because the tax cuts were not having the promised effect.
“When those deficits began to materialize, pressure grew for a tax hike. In 1982 Reagan agreed to a substantial tax hike. More followed in 1984 and 1987, further eroding the 1981 reductions.”
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:03 pmHey Tracy_5:
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:04 pmIn all seriousness. I have the day off and not too much to do due to the weather. Any chance you could humor me and back up just one of your statements with some substance? Otherwise I might get sort of bored and start making you look less than intelligent and I really don’t want to do that.
I’ve got to agree with Joe.
Tracy, address the post or stfu.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:04 pmAnd how are the things Steele has said about President Obama not incendiary and ugly?
And don’t you love it that he actually thinks he’s the “leader of the Republican’t party”. What a massive ego this man has.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:05 pmTracy_5
It’s traitorous to speak out against policies that have already proven to have failed? Ther era of big government is truely back unfortunately.
Quantify that with some proof please. Your word doesn’t really do it for me.
Oh, and would it kill you to address the simple question posted to you multiple times on this thread?
Fred Says:
name one sucess story for the right wing, just one. Why would that be so hard?
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 pmRich H Says:
I’ve got to agree with Joe.
Tracy, address the post or stfu.
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rich, thank god!
please people let’s not
go down the troll hole
with trace.
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mike steele v.
the drug addict , who’s in charge?
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:06 pmTweedster Says:
Tracy_5
It’s traitorous to speak out against policies that have already proven to have failed? Ther era of big government is truely back unfortunately.
Quantify that with some proof please. Your word doesn’t really do it for me.
Oh, and would it kill you to address the simple question posted to you multiple times on this thread?
Fred Says:
name one sucess story for the right wing, just one. Why would that be so hard?
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mike steele?
tweed, do you hate
black people too?
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c’mon, you can do better.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:08 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Reagan followed his tax cuts of the early eighties with the largest tax hike in history to that point, because the tax cuts were not having the promised effect.
“When those deficits began to materialize, pressure grew for a tax hike. In 1982 Reagan agreed to a substantial tax hike. More followed in 1984 and 1987, further eroding the 1981 reductions.”
Tracy, that must really sting.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:08 pmTracy__5 Says:
“When you want President Obama to fail you want our country to fail.”
This is the BS “You are either with us of you are against us” crap that you guys cried foul a while back. I think the course the country was on wrong economically but that doesn’t mean your turn around and go the opposite direction.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
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No it isn’t. It’s not “you’re either with us or against us.” It’s simply a statement of logic. President Obama is attempting to turn the economy around and stop the slide into depression. If he fails, the end result will be that the country is in far worse economic shape than it is now. Thus, if you hope Obama fails to fix the economy, you hope that the country will undergo economic collapse.
It’s not fearmongering. It’s syllogism.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:09 pmYou really demonstrate an analytical deficit, Trace.
Bush actually said “if you’re not with us, you’re against us”. that’s not hard to understand.
Making the point that those who hope for Obama’s failure also hope for America’s failure aren’t accusing anyone, they’re simply pointing out that if Obama’s policies fail, as Republican are hoping for and working hard to make happen, the US economy has no safety margin anymore. If these policies don’t work, we’re likely facing a new Depression.
Of course, we recognize that your mind sees things in black-and-white, but try to keep in mind that others are capable of more complex thought and understanding.
Oh, what am I saying? It’s all wasted breath on this one.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:09 pmTracy__5 Says:
#97
“It would be off topic but do you want to have modern evolutionary theory explained to you again or are you gonna answer my simply request that you back up your BS?”
You aren’t worth my time. Again go educate yourself and quit asking people to take care of YOUR problems. I know it’s had for you but deal with it.
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see?
don’t talk about mike steele
and trace is a happy troll.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:10 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Tracy__5 Says:
#90
“When you want President Obama to fail you want our country to fail.”
This is the BS “You are either with us of you are against us” crap that you guys cried foul a while back.
You really demonstrate an analytical deficit, Trace.
Bush actually said “if you’re not with us, you’re against us”. that’s not hard to understand.
Making the point that those who hope for Obama’s failure also hope for America’s failure aren’t accusing anyone, they’re simply pointing out that if Obama’s policies fail, as Republican are hoping for and working hard to make happen, the US economy has no safety margin anymore. If these policies don’t work, we’re likely facing a new Depression.
Of course, we recognize that your mind sees things in black-and-white, but try to keep in mind that others are capable of more complex thought and understanding.
Oh, what am I saying? It’s all wasted breath on this one.
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which has what to do with
mike steele ralph?
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:11 pmjoe cantwell Says:
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mike steele?
tweed, do you hate
black people too?
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c’mon, you can do better.
Oh joe, don’t fret! Michael Steele misused the term de facto in describing his leadership…and then trashed Limbaugh…and will soon after apologize to Limbaugh.
What else would you like to discuss about Mr. Steele’s comments??
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:11 pmYou aren’t worth my time. Again go educate yourself and quit asking people to take care of YOUR problems. I know it’s had for you but deal with it.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:12 pmCrying uncle again I see. Shall we tighten the full nelson your sorry ass is in?
Joe,
They’re both delusional, and we may find out Steele is drug addicted too based on this uncontrollable outburts.
Steele really must hate himself to have allowed him to be put in such a position. How can a black man lead a party that hates black people?
Theres no problem there for Rush. He simply does hate minoritys of all stripes.
Either one in charge of a party (other than a party of one in the bathroom) is shameful. Especially to those who claim to be members of the party.
Well, here goes, Rush is in charge and Steele is the marionette.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:13 pmTracy, how do you think Michael Steele has done so far as head of the RNC?
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:13 pmdbadass Says:
You aren’t worth my time. Again go educate yourself and quit asking people to take care of YOUR problems. I know it’s had for you but deal with it.
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Crying uncle again I see. Shall we tighten the full nelson your sorry ass is in?
Tracy, why are you unable to accommodate those that have posed reasonable questions to you?
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:16 pmTIGHTEN! TIGHTEN!
Heeheehee
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:16 pmTweedster Says:
Tracy, how do you think Michael Steele has done so far as head of the RNC?
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tweed,
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you nailed him.
congrats.
:)
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:16 pmTrajan75 IQ Says:
He is blind and doesn’t know anything of which he speaks.
Who does this sound like?
A hint of Daryll? Mr. Philby?
Hmmmm…another fascinating round of “Name That Troll!!”
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:17 pmTo follow up on Ralph’s excellent disertation, raygun did nothing but borrow us into debt and set up the situation we are in now. Even Drudge says so:
http://www.drudge.com/news/117534/kleinknecht-reagans-fault
more:
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/125575/happy_birthday_ronald_reagan_(thanks_for_ruining_america)/
so t5, you still haven’t pointed out one, just one sucess story for the right. Try again.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:17 pmjoe cantwell Says:
you nailed him.
congrats.
:)
I am now experiencing a Zen-like calm after disentangling myself from a fruitless rant-a-thon with an obviously deranged and simplistic troll.
Thank you for steering me in the right direction joe.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:19 pmTracy_5:
Don’t pay attention to the ankle-biters. YOU ROCK!!!!
You Da Man!!!!
Just like Steele. He da man, too!!!!
You and Steele.
ROCK ON, BABY, ROCK ON!!!!!!!!!!
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:19 pmWhen I posted at 170 I was just trying to show Tracy how to answer a question.
Tracy seems to have disappeared however.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:20 pmAnother comment thread hijacked by a right-wing troll. When will you people learn to just ignore these cretins? The whole purpose of them commenting on liberal blogs is to get progressives to engage with them, and therefore to get them unhinged.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:21 pmcagey, are you saying that Tracist__5 is a HIP-HOP TROLL?
…you just blew my mind.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:21 pmTweedster Says:
joe cantwell Says:
you nailed him.
congrats.
:)
I am now experiencing a Zen-like calm after disentangling myself from a fruitless rant-a-thon with an obviously deranged and simplistic troll.
Thank you for steering me in the right direction joe.
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we got there together dude.
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troll 101:
when the troll hits the mute switch
on a subject that’s when you know
you’ve got ‘em!
:)
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:22 pmWho is unhinged?
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:23 pmNO!!!!!!!
Tracy_5 CAN’T HAVE LEFT!!!!!!
Such clarity of thought, such insightful thinking, such brilliant reparte against any and all comers. TRUE COURAGE in the face of an onslaught of anonymous bloggers intent on bringing DA MAN down —
Tracy_5 YOU DA MAN, JUST LIKE OUR HERO STEELE!!!!
Rapier-like wit and scathing commentary, directing the fools who dare to question to find their own answers: like a humble teacher, only intent on helping the less intelligent to educate themselves, to “pull themselves up by their intellectual bootstraps”, as it were.
Oh, to bask in the glory of Tracy_5 and Mr. Steele. Oh, the joy, oh the rapture…..
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:24 pmThat’s all ya got in the tank, Trace?
Comparing election returns from a quarter-century ago with today’s as a means of defending your claim that you can hope America fails, because McCain got 170 EVs?
That full nelson dbadass has you in must be cutting off the oxygen to your brain.
Maybe the ref should call the match.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:25 pmLysergic Asset Says:
Another comment thread hijacked by a right-wing troll. When will you people learn to just ignore these cretins? The whole purpose of them commenting on liberal blogs is to get progressives to engage with them, and therefore to get them unhinged.
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engaging them is fine.
(they’re easy to squish out).
but volleying the tennis ball
back and forth with them is dumb.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:25 pmTracy__5 Says:
We on the right aren’t hoping for the country to fail. What kind of BS is that? The ones who own most of the country wants it to fail? Wanting to be proven right AGAIN about policies that don’t work isn’t a bad thing.
Of course you are. Why not be honest here trace. You know the only possibility for the redemption of the Republican’t party is if Obama’s policies fail and this country is deeply mired in a depression in 2010. So of course you are hoping that this country fails because if Obama fails so does this country. Personally I think that you and your ilk are nothing more than traitors. Also, it is your policies that have been proven a failure, not ours.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:27 pmCageyCretin Says:
NO!!!!!!!
Tracy_5 CAN’T HAVE LEFT!!!!!!
Such clarity of thought, such insightful thinking, such brilliant reparte against any and all comers. TRUE COURAGE in the face of an onslaught of anonymous bloggers intent on bringing DA MAN down —
Tracy_5 YOU DA MAN, JUST LIKE OUR HERO STEELE!!!!
Rapier-like wit and scathing commentary, directing the fools who dare to question to find their own answers: like a humble teacher, only intent on helping the less intelligent to educate themselves, to “pull themselves up by their intellectual bootstraps”, as it were.
Oh, to bask in the glory of Tracy_5 and Mr. Steele. Oh, the joy, oh the rapture…..
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props to tweed,
he did it with class.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:28 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
cagey, are you saying that Tracist__5 is a HIP-HOP TROLL?
…you just blew my mind.
You got it, you zany herbivore you! Tracy_5 and Steele — HIP HOPPIN’ their way into the hearts and minds of all America.
C’mon, Tracy_5 — give ‘em some more scintillating smack-down, like the rappin, cappin, finger snappin Steele — our mighty hero.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:29 pmwith all respect to joe cantwell I must ask why? Sure it may clog things up a bit but others are free to play through
“but volleying the tennis ball
back and forth with them is dumb.”
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:29 pmt5, just one thing the right can claim as a sucess story, just on. comon, you fight tooth and toenail for them, there must be something to keep you hopeful.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:30 pmLysergic Asset Says:
Another comment thread hijacked by a right-wing troll. When will you people learn to just ignore these cretins? The whole purpose of them commenting on liberal blogs is to get progressives to engage with them, and therefore to get them unhinged.
Why you trippin’?
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:31 pmjoe cantwell Says:props to tweed,
he did it with class.
Since when must a cretin have class?
Any allusions that I am classless may reside in fact, but do not let that deter you.
Tracy_5 is so intellectually superior to the posters here… she is like our mommy. And Steele is like her daddy.
Ain’t that right, Tracy_5? Steele is like your daddy?
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 pmSeriously, how poor of a choice has M. Steele turned out to be for the RNC chair?
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:33 pmTweedster Says:
Tracy, why are you unable to accommodate those that have posed reasonable questions to you?
Because IT has no reasonable answers. All IT has is right wing talking points that IT can’t back up with actual facts.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:33 pmdb,
personal choice.
me? i don’t want to play with trace,
i want to piss him off.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:33 pmcage,
interesting post.
not sure what you were talking about
but you did stick to the subject.
kinda.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:35 pmI must admit I wanted Bush to fail on certain things. Privatizing education, security, intelligence and some other things, for example.
But, mostly, I would say that I wished that he’d failed to listen to his neocon friends!
I wish he’d failed to go along with attacking Iraq!
But, once it was clear that he was going to attack Iraq no matter what happened, I certainly didn’t WANT him to fail. It definitely looked like he was embarking on a damaging path, an expensive, alienating path that didn’t seem like a good idea to me.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:36 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Tweedster Says:
Tracy, why are you unable to accommodate those that have posed reasonable questions to you?
Because IT has no reasonable answers. All IT has is right wing talking points that IT can’t back up with actual facts.
True. It is funny how the trolls never fail to marginalize themselves. At least backup tries to sound coherent until his BS catches up with him/her…
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:36 pmTracy__5 Says:
How about that Michael Steele? Any thoughts Tracy??
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:38 pmWell, of course Steele is going to be one of the very few Republicans to go against Limbaugh. Steele is mad because he is supposed to be leader of the Republican Party, but his leadership has been usurped by Limbaugh. He’d better be careful, or the GOP faithful will started burning crosses on his front lawn.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:38 pmjoe cantwell Says:
db,
personal choice.
me? i don’t want to play with trace,
i want to piss him off.
Now, why do you want to piss off the most brilliant mind in the nation? Tracy_5 should be the one running for president (if it weren’t for the photos of that ‘isolated barnyard incident’……).
You must admit that the way Tracy_5 can dance with the words is mesmeric. No topic is unapproachable by the greatness that IS Tracy_5. No argument is too big (or too small). There is no topic in which Tracy_5 does NOT have the most perfect answer imaginable (thanks, in part, to the Republican Party and God). No one can argue with comments like you will find above. rational arguments ALL fail, thus proving the greatness and correctness of Tracy_5.
All hail!
Tracy_5: just admit your love for M. Steele so they will shut up. You know you love than hip-hop man who is in complete control of the republican party.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 pmExplain expactly how we got out of the 1981 recession, if not the across the board cut in marginal rates.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 pmYou ask a lot of questions that have obvious answers….
and t5 answers none, it would be inconvenient in oh so many ways if he tried.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:44 pmTracy, since you know everything, please answer a question which has been bothering me.
Why do all recessions and depressions occur during Republican administrations?
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:47 pmTracy__5 Says:
#74
“I hope you have the courage to finally admit that you have been sexually involved with your sister and your brother for the past eight years, thus cheating on your mother.”
This comming from a Christian?….oh maybe you are a liberal Christian. Once again you prove the point about cloaking yourself.
Funny how Tracy can find fault with my admittedly (and intentionally) outrageous comment but not see how it is merely a reforming of his original attack on liberal courage that had no factual background. There is no “cloaking”. I think Tracy is an illogical, hate-filled, tool.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:48 pmRush personally is 1000% solvent.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:48 pm—
I would imagine he might be what with all those pharmaceutical solutes disolved in the solvent which is his bloodstream. Face it Tracy_5 you can’t win…
joe cantwell Says:
cage,
interesting post.
not sure what you were talking about
but you did stick to the subject.
kinda.
Well, thanks. :) Kinda (ha — just kidding). (”You” below does not mean you specifically, Joe).
Sorry. Got full of snark (and a bit of gasseousness), and havd to let some fly. It seemed pretty turbulent in here anyhow, and didn’t think some snark would be too bad. I agree with you, that T5 doesn’t want to address Steele AT ALL.
I also see that the right theme now is to try to spin the whole “I wish he fails” bit onto the left — don’t fall for that crap.
YOU DO NOT NEED TO JUSTIFY TO ANYONE THAT YOU “DID NOT WISH FOR BUSH TO FAIL”.
That is their trying to spin this onto anyone “not-republican”. Don’t take the bait. That comment and opinion is the right’s, they own it, and don’t fall for going on the defensive because they, as usual, try to attack you with what THEY are doing.
Steele is a token, but doesn’t really know it.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 pmTracist__5,
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 pmGolfed with any of your “black” friends lately?
Trace, you said that “We were brought out of the recession of he early 1980s by Reagan’s tax cuts. Unless you can claim something else.”
Pretty straightforward claim. Now it seems you’re willing to limit your “good deed” of Republicans to getting us out of a recession twenty-eight years ago. You’re apparently willing to accept that the measures Reagan used to get us out of that recession resulted in expanded deficits and had to be reversed by later tax hikes.
Seems a pretty limited success story, there, Tracist. But if that’s all you’ve got, then that’s all you’ve got.
Thanks for the effort.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:50 pmCan we please give Tracy_5 a little more time to try to figure out who M. Steele is? Clearly it isn’t Tracy_5’s black friend
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:51 pmMan alive, guys like this is where the term ganster slap came from. I mean, if we were in a pub, this guy would spend more time on the floor than floor sweep.
t5, you have no social skills, you are a failure.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:52 pmI have explained what dbadass is asking many times before.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 12:52 pmThan it should be no problem to direct us to those posts.
How could one more time hurt?
Y’know.. this answer of yours is exactly the kind of answer that someone might give if he had no answer and was trying to bluff his way through a grilling.
Not that I’m suggesting that’s what you’re doing, Trace. heaven forbid i’d suggest something like that.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:52 pmHe doesn’t know. Tracy told me he doesn’t see color. He also told me one of his best friends is black, but he didn’t explain how he knows that.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:53 pmTracy_5 is right. I DO have a cloaking device. It has allowed me to post 137 comments on this thread that no one can read.
I stole it from the Romulans.
Is it just me, or does Tracy_5 sound kind of like MightyAphrodite on lithium?
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:53 pmI agree that Rush is an entertainer, and should be viewed through that lens. But the fact is, the GOP itself has elevated him from mere talking head to visionary, has bestowed upon him more power and credibility than someone of his stature would ordinarily command. The level of deference he now commands in that faction is bordering on the bizarre, frankly.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:53 pmMy man, PLC, says:
I think Tracy is an illogical, hate-filled, tool.
I KNOW Tracist_5 is an illogical, hate filled, tool. With bits of narcissism aka Exley.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:54 pmNow that you mention it, PLC… I can kinda see what you’re saying.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:54 pmStill not a denial.
Although, to be fair, since the statement as it stands makes no sense, maybe Tracist is trying to deny it and just doesn’t possess the language skills necessary.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:56 pmTracist__5 says:
Do you the opportunity to express this BS in person?
Throwing aside the obvious misuse of the English language (unless Tracist is honing Yoda skills), here’s another attempt at being tough from the safety of the keyboards!
As Roger Waters so eloquently wrote, such “bravery from being out of range”!
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:57 pm“Note that Tracy doesn’t deny the sexual involvement with his sister, brother, and mother. Thus, it’s obviously true.”
Don’t forget the “isolated barnyard incident”.
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 pmTracy__5 Says:
#111
“Okay, Tracist, have it your way, maybe you get off on it; go fu(k yourself. Happy?”
And you say I project hatred? LOL!
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Tracy__5 Says:
#141
“name one sucess story for the right wing, just one. Why would that be so hard?”
Getting us out of the 1981 recession….for the 5th time.
What do you think about Michael Steele and the RNC?
March 2nd, 2009 at 12:59 pmDebunked, repeatedly. But even if we give you that, which we won’t, are you going to tell us that you can think of no other sucess story for the right? That the whole gop is based on that 15 minutes in time? That they have never been sucessful at anything, ever except that one thing, that about it?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:01 pmI’m back.
Has Tracy given her opinion on Steele vs. Limbaugh yet?
No, I didn’t think so.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:02 pmDRxJ Says: I KNOW Tracist_5 is an illogical, hate filled, tool. With bits of narcissism aka Exley.
LOTS of narcissism, although certainly “bits” compared to Exley, who at least had some intelligence to support it.
ralph the wonder llama Says: Now that you mention it, PLC… I can kinda see what you’re saying.
I am here to point out the subtleties and glad to help.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:02 pmTracy, why do ALL economic recessions and depressions occur during Republican administrations?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:02 pmAnother factually mistaken claim.
Sharpton neither originated the jingle nor the phrase.
In fact, Tracist, if you want to find the origins of the concept, you might have to go back to ancient China:
The magical negro is a recurring theme in Chinese literature from the Tang Dynasty (618–907 AD)
A little older than Al Sharpton, wouldn’t ya say?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:02 pm#249,
I stopped getting the times because it’s a pos paper.
They removed Robert Scheer and replaced him with Max Boot and other right wing tools.
Is it any wonder the Times had laid of more employees in the past few years and outsourced it’s workforce to Korea?
Whoops, I’m off topic.
Tracey, who do you like, Steele or Limbaugh?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:06 pmUh, Tracy, you are making up sh!t now. The 1981-82 recession began with Ronald Reagan in office. This current recession began last year, when your boy George W. Bush was in office.
Stop lying Tracy.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 pmRalph, #251
Is that even possible? I’ll have to ask my chinese wife. I studied the chinese language and minored in asian history in college. I’ve never heard of that.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:09 pmTracy__5 Says:
#250
Tracy, why do ALL economic recessions and depressions occur during Republican administrations?”
The current one is on OBAMA’s watch…not that he is responsible for the current crisis. The one in 1981 started on Carter’s watch.
That doesn’t even answer the question posed.
How do you think of the job Michael Steele is doing at the RNC?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:09 pmRich H Says:
I’m back.
Has Tracy given her opinion on Steele vs. Limbaugh yet?
No, I didn’t think so.
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he’s getting a lot of help
in avoiding the subject.
a lot of help.
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March 2nd, 2009 at 1:11 pmI just caught “Tracy the liar” in a blatant outright LIE.
The NBER declared in January 1982 that the 1981 recession began in July 1981. But that recession didn’t end until November 1982.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/11/07/markets/thebuzz/index.htm
Tracy, who was president in July 1981. I’ll give you a hint. It was not Jimmy Carter.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:12 pmTracy,
Steele or Limbaugh? What’s your take?
If you can’t answer that simple question then I guess your too embarassed for both.
If so, just go away.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:15 pmTracist’s magical negro is his best friend. He’s magical because Tracist can tell he is black, even though Tracist doesn’t see color. How magical is that?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:15 pmTRACY
Michael Steele, great party leader or GREATEST party leader?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:16 pmTracy__5 Says:
#158
“Quantify that with some proof please. Your word doesn’t really do it for me.”
That the era of big governement isn’t back?
It never left, as mush as your hero-worship of Reagan seems to delude you, he presided over a huge increase in government much like GW Bush.
So, in light of that, do you think Michael Steele is the principled leader that can bring the GOP back into some semblance of relevance with the electorate?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:20 pmAnswer the questions Tracy.
Who was president in July 1981?
Who was president when the Bush administration declared the country in recession in 2008?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:20 pmRich, that is a very tough question. How does Tracist decide between Uncle Tom and Jim Crow?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:22 pmTracy is too unhinged to answer questions regarding the topic of this thread.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:22 pmTracy_5 is a loyal CONservative Republican, and so Tracy_5 LOVES M.Steele and the excellent job he is doing at running the Republican party. Steele is clearly the leader of the republican party, as he was voted in. It is his opinion that matters and his vision that directs the party moving forward.
Tracy_5 will never fall for your filthy lib tricks to try to get Tracy_5 to say something bad about Steele.
Tracy_5 LOVES Steele.
How DARE you suggest anything otherwise.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 pmTRACY
If you are unable to discuss the Limbaugh/Steele power struggle you need to be flagged out of here.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 pmTRACY
Limbaugh’s comments ugly and incendiary? OR is Michael Steele a liar?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:24 pmYou guys actually think that Obama is the ONE to turn this economy around. Our country will get out of this DISPITE what Obama is attempting to shove down our throat and all I am saying is that I hope people start seeing that this charade is an attempt to make permanent social policy changes NOT stimulating the economy to create jobs.
if he succeeds, i imagine your argument will be that we got out of it despite him
could the same argument not be made for reagan.
if obama institutes policies and the economy turns around his policies will be no more or less responsible then the policies of your beloved reagan.
you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:26 pmshoeless Says:
Tracist’s magical negro is his best friend. He’s magical because Tracist can tell he is black, even though Tracist doesn’t see color. How magical is that?
It has something to do with that Romulan Cloaking Device that Tracy_5 keeps bringing up.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:27 pmTracy__5 Says:
You guys actually think that Obama is the ONE to turn this economy around. Our country will get out of this DISPITE what Obama is attempting to shove down our throat and all I am saying is that I hope people start seeing that this charade is an attempt to make permanent social policy changes NOT stimulating the economy to create jobs.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
__________
Which social policy changes are these, exactly?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:27 pmExcept that the first Reagan recession started when Reagan was in office. This recession started well before Obama came to office, despite Tray’s lies to the contrary.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 pmTracy, take me to your leader. Is it Rush or Steele?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 pmYou guys actually think that Obama is the ONE to turn this economy around
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 pm—
Hi Tracy_5. Here we go again. Might you share with us who is the one? We await your nonanswer. Soon I think I will declare you totally full of shit and the record will support my declaritive
Tracy is a sad clown who cannot address the topic of the thread.
Quite pathetic really.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pmI’m pretty sure he is talking about Obama’s plan to raise taxes on the wealthy.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pmtwaaacie, do you agree with batshitcrazy bachmann when she said michael steele, “be da man, you be da man”?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:30 pmI already did. I think this the 7th time someone has asked the same question
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm—
No you didn’t. What you did do is claim it to be so. See again I have to politely ask you for evidences to support your thesis?
In all fairness, Tracy did sort of answer the question when he told us that Jimmy Carter started the recession in July 1981. Then, Ronald Reagan cam along in November 1982 and saved the country.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:34 pmTracy_5 says: Our country will get out of this DISPITE what Obama is attempting to shove down our throat
While it is tempting to pick at typos, I try not to since it happens.
But, what Tracy_5 is telling us here is that the free market IS self-regulating, and that NO INTERFERENCE OF ANY KIND will really affect it. It WILL recover ALL ON ITS OWN.
Tracy_5 does not believe that the TARP funds were necessary, nor any other welfare being given out (to wall street OR main street — sink or swim, baby).
Since Tracy_5 IS the ONLY voice of LIGHT and TRUTH, and there is no part of Tracy_5 that is not of the LIGHT and of the TRUTH, then that must be true. O.k. everyone, stop worrying. it will all be o.k.. No more bailout money, no adjustments. The market WILL correct itself, and to our benefit.
(whew!) Emergency is over. The recession will end as soon as it all stabalizes. Go about business as usual. Everything is happy in lollypop land.
And tracy_5 STILL loves M. Steele. Limbaugh will do in a pinch, but that Steele REALLY gets the wet-dream machine a churnin’.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:34 pmI really don’t understand why Tracy abandoned versions 1-4, as I don’t see any improvement in current model. It still can’t answer a simple question such as “which man is your leader?”.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 pmAlright, here’s the deal. I will not trouble Tracy_5 with the need to actually support a stance if Tracy_5 will agree to just answer the question as to whether Rush or Steele be the man? What say you Tracy_5. Of course it is understaood that you will have to defend your selection…
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:39 pmTracy, now that we have established that you LIED when attempting to answer this question before, please try to give us an honest answer.
Why do ALL economic recessions and depressions occur during Republican administrations?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:41 pmI’m sorry I can’t help myself. Just what the f uck is this?
“or at least prolong it as they have already proven to do.”
Tracy_5 seems a little shaky what with all this telling the future and shit. Is it even worth asking to see this proof?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:41 pm“But these policies, are what is going to push us into a depression or at least prolong it as they have already proven to do.”
eerrr, historically, twaaaacie, the last time this country was pushed into a depression it was with herbert hoover (r) at the helm and was caused by his policy of across the board massive deregulation of wall street. sound familiar?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:42 pmTracy__5 Says:
But these policies, are what is going to push us into a depression or at least prolong it as they have already proven to do.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:37 pm
____________
Prove this.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pmMike or Rush?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:43 pmTracy, yes, this is all Reagans fault and all the idiots that followed him blindly down the slow destructive republican path to ruin.
Now, Rush or Mike?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:46 pmtwaaccie,
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:46 pmis michael steele giving the talking points to tub-o-lard or is it the other way around? inquiring minds want to know.
Tracy, do you get paralytic when the store clerk asks “paper or plastic”?
Is your leader Steele or Limbaugh.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:46 pmTracy, the STIM bill was signed less than two weeks ago. How long has it prolonged the recession? A week? 10 days? 13 days?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:46 pmTracy, you are lying again. The Great Depression ended years before the US entered WWII.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:48 pmPLC,
I think it’s stuck at the checkout line.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:49 pmI say we ignore Tracist__5 until it can answer a simple question.
Once it does, then we can continue dealing in hypotheticals, like:
“The stimulus plan do nothing to the economy, except furthering it’s debt”
And after that?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:50 pmMaybe, “Thank goodness Al Gore wasn’t president during 9/11″.
That’s always my favorite.
I still want to know why all economic recessions and depressions occur during Republican administrations.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pmI second DRxJ.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:51 pmHow about the fake John Kerry method:
Tracy, is Limbaugh or Steele your leader? LOL!
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:52 pmTracy_5:
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:53 pmWill you atleast go on record saying that you are uncomfortable answering the Steele Limbaugh question? I think it will help you to be taken slightly more seriously in the future if you will just be honest and say that you will not answer the simple question which is afterall the topic. I think you would actually earn some street cred which I am sorry to have to say, you really need at this point. I think it would also help if you could explain a little about why you feel you can not answer.
Rich H, I notice that it is very slowly meandering down the aisles, probably stalling because it can’t make the decision.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:54 pmAll right I’ve had it. I’ll say it for everyone here:
Tracy is a fuc*ing idiot.
Whew, that feels better.
Now who is it, Mike or Rush?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:54 pmdbadass Christian is sort of catchy…
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:55 pmTracy__5 Says:
I love Ronald Reagan’s corpse, Michael Steele’s moustache, and Rush Limbaugh’s belly.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:55 pmOther fun hypotheticals.
“The occupation of Iraq has made our country safer”
“Torturing has prevented many 9/11s”
“Conservatives mean less government”
Whoops, my bad. The above is a complete falsehood, not a hypothetical.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pmWell, I’ve been baited! OK, let’s try the Biblical angle:
Tracy, you cannot have two masters. You can follow Steele or Limbaugh. Which is it?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:56 pmTracy__5 Says:
#218
Why am I not suprised the you don’t know what I ment when I said Rush was solvent. You do ask the dumbest questions.
Well duh, everyone should have known that Tracy is a Rush-o-phile. The ham-handed solvency answer was so clear on that!
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:57 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
Well, I’ve been baited! OK, let’s try the Biblical angle:
Tracy, you cannot have two masters. You can follow Steele or Limbaugh. Which is it?
Tracy wants to dissolve with Rush.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 pmYou do ask the dumbest questions.
—
See now you’re on the hook. You should have mentioned them. Now all that is left to be done is reel it up.
Know what I mean?
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 pmWait.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:59 pmI’ve got more little tidbits that add absolutely nothing to the topic of the thread:
“My best friend is black”
“Single moms attending college perform no function to society”
“What? Are you talking about (insert female poster here)? She’s a f’ing c*nt!”
“I wear spidey underpants”
‘nt
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:00 pm221
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:00 pmTracy, how long has the STIM bill prolonged the recession?
The questions are piling up. You’d better start answering them.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:00 pmOff Topic – not that I could be any more than Tracy.
The start page for MSN has “three reason to praise wallmart.”
OMFG
Tracy,
Rush or Mike?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:00 pmTracy wants to dissolve with Rush and then be poured into Reagan sarcophagus.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:02 pmTweedster Says:
Tracy wants to dissolve with Rush and then be poured into Reagan’s sarcophagus.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:05 pmTracy__5 Says:
When it takes a world war to ACTUALLY get us out of a Depression speaks volumes to the failures of liberal policies.
March 2nd, 2009 at 1:47 pm
_________
Just because two UCLA economists have a vendetta against FDR doesn’t mean his policies were a failure. The majority of economists do not believe that the New Deal prolonged the great depression.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:05 pmTracy__5 Says:
#225
“Than it should be no problem to direct us to those posts.”
I didn’t think that I would have to explain again and again therefore I didn’t bookmark the posts. Sorry dude.
Tracy posts “dude” – the hip-hopification of the RNC is off to a stellar start!!!
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:06 pmIt is quite funny when a poster, who’s been asked multiple times, to answer a specific question, does not, but then demands others to answer it’s own specific question.
Har dee har, har har!
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:06 pmShoot, I was wrong! I guessed that DRxJ’s post 221 would be Tracy’s next diversion.
And Tracy, I don’t think anyone’s going to answer any more of your questions until you answer ours:
Is Limbaugh or Steele your defacto leader?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:07 pmTracy, why was Jimmy Carter still in office 6 months after Reagan was inaugurated?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:08 pmHussein, I thinks it’s probably closer to 99% of economists believe FDR’s policies got us out of the Great Depression.
But I’m only estimating.
Tracy, Mike or Rush?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:09 pmTracy posts “dude” – the hip-hopification of the RNC is off to a stellar start!!!
Is this a clue? Is it Steele??? The Inquirer at the checkout wants to print its lead story: Limbaugh or Steele?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:09 pmThe suspense is breath-taking.
Tracy, why do you say the U.S. entered WWII in 1939?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:09 pmTracy, why do you say Barack Obama became president in mid 2008?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:13 pmTracy, we don’t want to be speculative. We want to be enlightened!
Limbaugh or Steele
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm“What do you think about Michael Steele and the RNC?”
He has some work to do to prove he has a spine.
Tracy teases us with the hip-hop, then makes this comment.
Come on, give it to us..yes..oh, Tracy..
Limbaugh or Steele??
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:16 pmO.K. I’ll answer for Tracy:
I love Steele, I’ve always had thing for men with glasses, and the fact that he’s black just makes the total package! OMG, every time I see him on TV or hear him on the radio – oooohhhhh I have such a crush on himmmmmm!
But then there’s Limbaugh. What an intellect! I also loves me a smart man. And do you know how much he makes? Why what I could do with that cute rolly polly man for that amount of money.
It’s just so hard for a woman to decide. Can’t you see? I’m torn, just torn on having to make the decision.
Well, my mama always told me to go with the man with the money because love don’t pay the bills.
So Rush it is, I’d just follow him anywhere.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 pmName one since the Civil War.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:17 pmTRACY
Rush is a god or Rush is the greatest god?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:19 pmTracy Ronald Reagan was president for half a year when the 1981 recession started. That means it began, like all recessions, during a Republican administration.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:19 pmSo, you are blaming the recession, which began when Ronald Reagan was in office, on the previous president, Jimmy Carter.
You are also blaming the current recession, which began when George W. Bush was in office, on the subsequent president, Barack Obama.
Dizzy yet?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:23 pmTracy__5 Says:
The prevoious four years caused it not to mention carry over policies from the four years before that.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
_________
I’ll bookmark this post for the next time you insist that either the Democratic Congress or the Obama Administration is responsible for the current depression.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:24 pmTracy, semantics and lying are two different things. You have been caught lying several times in this thread.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:25 pmI wonder about the mental gymnastics that will be employed to declare this some sort of victory. Stuff like that is interesting to me.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:28 pmOoohhh, are we getting close to an answer. Tracy is up to post 267 and right after that we started our united effort to find the answer to the question:
Tracy, do you follow Limbaugh or Steele?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:28 pmWhat?? Say it isn’t so, Tracy! You skipped from post 279 to post 375, with all the questions:
Is Steele or Limbaugh your leader?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:31 pmDo we have to wait for the unveiling of Tracy_6 to know if Steele or Limbaugh is the leader?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:34 pmrhf, I don’t think Tracy can answer because it can’t decide whether to get the “correct” response from Limbaugh or from Steele. Artificial intelligence has not advanced far enough.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:37 pmSo, Tracy, are you choosing Limbaugh over Steele?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:38 pmLimbaugh’s comments very much spot on about the intent of the Obama admininstration. Steele might do himself in he isn’t careful.
Spot on what, his Depends?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:41 pmNow that is funny
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:47 pmTracy__5 Says:
Uping the taxes of those who create the jobs.
Like Enron? Tyco? GM? AIG? BoA? Any other masters of the universe you want to give a tax cut to?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:50 pmMaybe Americans are sick of giving tax cuts to corporations who routinely rake them over the coals via scandals, ponzi schemes, Atlas-shrugged type suppression of technology, and other various forms of economic maneuvering that creates absolutely jack squat as far as real, tangible, goods and services.
So yeah, we’re getting ready to F**k these “job creators” the way they’ve been f**king us for decades. Get over it. Fascism lost.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:52 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
Do we have to wait for the unveiling of Tracy_6 to know if Steele or Limbaugh is the leader?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:34 pm
PLC, pray to your god that we don’t get a Tracy_6.
After reading through most of the comments here, I think we should use Tracy’s ‘logic’ and just respond “you’re wrong” – nothing else. Don’t bother offering facts, they just bounce off of his fact-repellent shield.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:53 pmI say corporations get more tax cuts when their executives start taking pay cuts.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:55 pmPLC, pray to your god that we don’t get a Tracy_6.
My God and I are evolutionists.
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:58 pmTracy__5 Says:
And the proposed failed solutions that are being proposed today have also proven to have prolonged a situation that shouldn’t have lasted that long and taken a world war to get us out of.
You’re wrong. Who told you this, Limbaugh or Steele?
March 2nd, 2009 at 2:59 pmStop playing with the turd and just flag on sight so we can hear shrieks of how we’re violating tracist’s first amendment rights.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:00 pmI’ve been somehow drawn to this post. I can’t seem to help myaelf. It’s like driving by an accident and you can’t help but look no matter how hard you try not to.
Tracy is the biggest wreck possible. I’ve seen backup, jk, and a few others, but this one is the biggest loser of them all.
How can we slap this jerk down? Really, it’s like one of those punching bags you had as a kid with the balast at the bottom. No matter how hard you hit it it pops right back up again.
Sorry Tracy, you really are a time waster and probably one in real life as well. I feel sorry for anyone your associated with. They must really regreat knowing you, as in “Oh no, here comes Tracy. Shi* I think she’s seen us.”
What an absolute bottom feeder you are. Can’t answer a simple question and just drone on forever. And ever. And ever. And ever.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:04 pmBUT RICH H DID YOU KNOW FDR EXTENDED THE DEPRESSION!?!?!?!??!!?
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:05 pmTwo UCLA economists do not a consensus make.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Unlike you, I don’t make sh!t up.
The economy actually recovered after 1933 until a recession in 1937 which reached bottom in May 1938. After this point the economic recovery began. That is why the overwhelming number of historians referr to the period of the Great Depression as 1929-1939.
http://www.shsu.edu/~eco_www/resources/documents/WhatEndedtheGreatDepression.pdf
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:12 pmTwo UCLA economists say it so it must be so? What if many Harvard or Princeton economists say the opposite? What then? I thought cvonservatives never believed anyone whose only job was working at a university—especially a PUBLIC one like UCLA. Aren’t they pointy-headed elitists in an ivory tower?
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:16 pmNow Tracy, explain how Barack Obama caused the current recession which began months before he took office.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:16 pmAnd Keith, those pointy-heads quoted by Tracy are from CALIFORNIA!
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:17 pmPlease don’t get Tracy started about Paul Krugman, Tracy HATES Krugman and doesn’t think a Nobel prize means anything.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:19 pmTracy_5 is claiming to be Hugh_1.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:20 pmSo, Tracy and his fellow Republicans have no leader. What about John “Drunkard” Boehner, or Mitch “Chinless” McConnell.
How about Bobby “Mr. Rogers” Jindal, or Sarah “You Betcha” Palin? Oh, I know, it’s Joe “Not the Plumber”!
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:21 pmThat would be the 1933 Emergency Banking Bill which effectively bailed out the banks. Sorry Tracy, the STIM bill has nothing to do with the banks.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:28 pmWhen Dubya created zero jobs his first four years (worst since the Great Depression), was that also Obama’s fault? Or the out-of-power Dems in Congress fault? Clinton creazted 22 million new jobs. Dubya two or three million.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:29 pmThe Great Depression? Tracy, your bringing that on all by yourself. Got meds?
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:35 pmNo it didn’t. The U.S. was producing massive amounts of war goods for Europe well before the U.S. entered in 1941.
Exactly… the U.S. Government was spending massive amounts of money and putting people back to work, glad you agree it works since that is the essence of the stimulus plan. Thanks for your support Tracy!
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:35 pmWas the WWII war production government-run or private enterprise?
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:37 pmbelac, I think we just said the same thing.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:38 pmKeith-
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:39 pmyeah, I recommended yours… brevity is the soul of wit and all that…
Tracy__5 Says:
#321
“I still want to know why all economic recessions and depressions occur during Republican administrations.”
Because recession happen in 8 to 10 year cycles which just happen to overlay presidencies.
Huh. I wonder why economists don’t realize that. They keep coming up with explanations and all they really need to know is “sh!t happens.”
But I guess you can now stop blaming FDR, Carter and Clinton’s policies. Obviously, there was nothing they could have done — recessions just happen.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:40 pmAh ha ha! It’s just a coinsidence! The poor Republicans are just victims of bad timing!
That’s it Tracy. You are down for the count. Crawl away and don’t show yourself around here until everyone has forgotten what a complete ass you have made of yourself.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:40 pmt5 spouts bullshit for 3 hours and refuses to answer questions for 400 posts but when he’s cornered he demands that you prove what you say……funny, kinda sick in a way, but funny.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:45 pmHow about you cite where your two right leaning sources are anything but fringe lunitics…….cite it now!!!!
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:46 pmCite this “majority”.
here you go: (link above)
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm
yes t5, raygun set the wheels in motion for the economic disaster we are experiencing today. Citation is up your ass.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:52 pmTo maintain my sanity I don’t associate with right wing aholes in real life.
There’s no reason to do so here. We’ve tried our best and Tracy’s just proved to be the biggest republican excuse maker possible. Please feel free to keep throwing facts at her. It won’t do any good.
I’ll come back later to see if your all fighting the good fight. But with Tracy it’s really a waste of time. Earlier I posted that Limbaugh was her man. I think from her posts you can see that.
Stupid is as stupid does, or in this case just replace stupid with Tracy.
Good luck guys. I’m off. Tracy can now chalk up my departure in her win column. What a bottom feeder.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:53 pmTracy, I told you to go to your room. You have lied and made enough of a fool of yourself.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:57 pmTracy__5 Says:
#321
“I still want to know why all economic recessions and depressions occur during Republican administrations.”
Because recession happen in 8 to 10 year cycles which just happen to overlay presidencies.
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t5, i think you’re done now. thanks for playing.
sigh, if only pointing out craven hypocrisy and world-class ignorance were enough to shut the lying mouths of these repubutards.
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:58 pmTracy, no more changing your story. GO TO YOUR ROOM, AND NO TV!
March 2nd, 2009 at 3:59 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“Name one since the Civil War.”
The current one. You asked me to name one that occured during a Democratic presidency….unless you don’t think that we are currently in a recession.
BTW have you seen the DOW today? Obama inspires so much market confidence…don’t you think?
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again, get your allegations straight: are you saying this recession happened on obama’s watch simply because the bush administration refused to admit it was going on before obama took office?
hmm…i think even that would be a misstatement; didn’t the bush administration *admit* we were in recession before the inauguration?
(oh please deny this t5!)
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:00 pmadd to wish list: that all republicans were as dumb as t5
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:02 pmTracy, I have to go now. But, I’ll be back to check on you, and if I find you still have the internet on, you are going to be sorry, you hear me?
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:04 pmBTW the Democratic congress is partly responsible as a matter of fact.
Yeah, they didn’t stand up to you right wing nut jobs… and now look what you and Sen. Gramm have done…
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:04 pmRepublicans screw up the economy and try to blame others…..nothing new..
carter inherited a bad economy:
http://eh.net/bookreviews/library/0728
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
And Barney ate Georgie’s homework! So there!
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:07 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“That means it began, like all recessions, during a Republican administration.”
And? The 1981 Recession was CAUSED by the policies of the previous four years.
You just told us that recessions come in cycles, and now you claim that the 1981 recession was really Carter’s fault. Which is it? And how about you offer a tiny bit of proof?
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:08 pmt5 has lied and never backed up one fallacy that he has put forth. posters have given credible links to refute every lie he has told. He is just a lying liar.
A coward and a fool. Please keep posting t5, I show every republican your posts and they all are ashamed……too bad you don’t have any decency or you would stop being such a stupid jackass.
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:10 pmWould you rather be employed by the biggest corporation in the world, i.e. the U.S. Federal Government?
Yes.
At least my benefits would be secure and the President only makes $400,000 a year… compared to the GDP that’s nothing. All CEO’s should be paid that little compared to their profits (not that I buy the right wing meme that the President should be the CEO of the nation)
Wouldn’t you?
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:10 pmTracy__5 Says:
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“I’ll bookmark this post for the next time you insist that either the Democratic Congress or the Obama Administration is responsible for the current depression.”
While I wait for you to cite where I have EVER blamed Obama for the current RECESSION? Fixed it for you. BTW the Democratic congress is partly responsible as a matter of fact.
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i thought it was all just a coincidence, that recessions just happen every 8 to 10 years?
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:12 pmTracy__5 Says:
I do believe those big bad corporations did or do employ hundreds of thousands of Americans. Would you rather be employed by the biggest corporation in the world, i.e. the U.S. Federal Government?
Hell, yes. Very unlikely that my job would be shipped to India.
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:12 pmjust another lie t5, exxon reported record profits last year and yet they now employ 80,000 people, down from their 2005 level of 120,000. Proving that not making them pay taxes and giving them huge subsidies does not create jobs….
You are just a liar that will say anything for attention. Just a little warthog with nothing but an annoying personality, nothing more. You are just a pos.
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:13 pmHis goal posts don’t have wheels, you can move them easily because they are perched on a thick film of slime.
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:17 pmOK, I think I’ve finally got it.
Recessions happen every 8 to 10 years, and are independent of any policies, unless they occur during a Democratic administration.
Recessions that happen during a Democratic administration are the result of Democratic policies.
Recessions that happen during a Republican administration are the result of preceding Democratic administration’s policies, or just happen because it’s been 10 years since the last recession but never are the result of Republican policies.
Is that about all of it, Tracy?
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:25 pmIs that about all of it, Tracy?
You forgot that Government spending prolonged the depression except for the massive increase in Government spending for WW2 which ended it but that was somehow different and the New Deal is widely regarded as a failure among economists who agree with Tracy and the actual majority of economists who disagree are a figment of our imagination (ignore the links provided, please)
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm402 t5, it’s post 494……get off the shit.
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:44 pmYou would prefer economists from the Cato Institute and the Wall Street Journal? Oh, of course. Nothing like a little objectivity.
Except it’s not economists who tracked employment figures during the 30s — those are actual numbers easily observable and they fail to substantiate the theories of conservative economists.
But you go ahead and ignore actual data because it fits your preconceptions. And ignore the historical facts of Republican obstructionism during the New Deal and the direct link between their behavior and a reversal of the improving employment situation.
March 2nd, 2009 at 4:58 pmI would rather listen to economists…
You’ve cited three… one of whom works for the Cato Institute.. what about the 73% of historical economists who think you and these three guys been smoking the wacky?
March 2nd, 2009 at 5:00 pmI hate to prolong her mental breakdown, but did Tracy ever identify who the leader of her party was?
March 2nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmYawn. That was a good nap. So…are we back on topic yet? No?
I’m going back to sleep then.
March 2nd, 2009 at 5:08 pmRacist Tracy is still going on, huh? Loser.
March 2nd, 2009 at 5:17 pmTracy’s next post.
“Why I’m such an effin idiot.”
March 2nd, 2009 at 5:21 pmSo where is this massive amount of defense spending you apparently think in the stimulus bill?
Why does it have to be spent on defense? Spending is spending, jobs are jobs… ad if we spend on infrastructure improvements we get to keep ‘em and they’re useful… not something that can be said for more Abrams tanks or F-22’s…
March 2nd, 2009 at 5:36 pmGawd, steele thinks he’s the “Obama” in the repug club.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Not even close.
March 2nd, 2009 at 6:41 pmMSNBC just said steele apologized after limpydic said steele is the head of the rnc and he’s in charge of the repug party.
HAHAHAHAHA
If I find the vid I will post it.
March 2nd, 2009 at 6:51 pmTracy never gets tired of chasing his tail. He hasn’t figured out that abrupt stops wedge his head up his own a$$.
March 2nd, 2009 at 6:53 pmTRACY
Limbaugh, good Nazi or GREAT Nazi? And what does he do to get the rest of the Republicans to goosestep?
March 2nd, 2009 at 6:56 pmCite some economists not some historians.
Hmm, do you know what economic historians are?
No?
Their economists… ones who study the history of economics.
Cite a ‘majority’ of economists who believe your crackpot theory and maybe we’ll talk… but when you don’t even know what an economic historian is, that doesn’t give me much hope for your mastery of Economics as a discipline.
March 2nd, 2009 at 8:35 pmtheir = they’re
March 2nd, 2009 at 8:50 pmSorry, typing fast…
I think the majority of you are missing the point. This is much more than a recession, and it has been in the make for over 20 years. Twenty years that has seen both Dems and Republicans in office. It is only a fool that believes this economic failing is based on the last 8 years. Instead, a false sense of growth during the years of home sales and auto sales when people were given loans that could not afford them, and had bad credit, gives the appearance now that the economy is failing following the 8 years of Bush.
Sure the stock markets rose and everything looked great during those years, but now is the fallout. Unfortunately, this is the cross that Republicans have to bear due to really bad timing.
As far as Rush is concerned, he is an entertainer with a large audience. But, I see more hate on this website than I hear coming from Rush. Another reality check . . . hate begets hates.
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:41 amCite their names so that we can check their backgrounds. They aren’t all necessarily economists.
Tracy- just read the citation… they are economists… they are even divided into two groups… those who work in ECONOMICS departments and those who work in HISTORY departments but despite the distinction all ECONOMIC HISTORIANS in the UNITED STATES have studied ECONOMICS… and received a PhD. Which usually means they had to study pretty hard.
Jeebuz.
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:25 amrepublicans hate facts Says:
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So TRACIE if the *MAJORITY* of AMERICANS want SOCIALIST POLICIES, and that is *DEMOCRATICALLY* CHOSEN? Why would YOU be UNAMERICAN and OPPOSE DEMOCRACY? ;)
The Constitution of The United States Article. IV Section. 4.
March 3rd, 2009 at 1:27 pmJeebuz Tracy…
http://eh.net/lists/archives/eh.res/feb-1997/0010.php
From the abstract:
March 3rd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Have you ever noticed how the little “conservatives” that post comments here, generally call other’s names and mix lies with half-truths? They’ll always twist a fact into their point of view. Really quite tragic.
March 3rd, 2009 at 1:34 pmCan you find me 46 economists who would agree with your theory, Tracy?
That’s not many but I’d bet you’d have a tougher time than you think…
March 3rd, 2009 at 1:38 pmIf you do…then we can argue about who is in the ‘majority’ (even then, you don’t really have a leg to stand on but whatever…) Until then the ‘majority’ of ECONOMISTS think your full of Sh*t… which is what you asked me to ‘prove’ at the beginning of this nonsense…
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republicans hate facts Says:
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So TRACIE if the *MAJORITY* of AMERICANS want SOCIALIST POLICIES, and that is *DEMOCRATICALLY* CHOSEN? Why would YOU be UNAMERICAN and OPPOSE DEMOCRACY? ;)
The Constitution of The United States Article. IV Section. 4.
March 3rd, 2009 at 1:57 pmWas this too hard for you as an answer. Don’t you know the Constitution?
jay Says:
So if a majority of the people’s representatives vote to enact these so-called ’socialist policies’ you’d have no problem with it, huh?
You do know what ‘republican’ government means, right?
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:05 pmQuite the contrary. If you want to change the Constitution first then it might be OK. A Socialist form of Government isn’t exactly a Republican form of Government now is it?
I fail to see any mention of Socialism in the Constitution anywhere.
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:10 pmWhen does a Republic become Socialism? At what point does the change occure?
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:11 pmI fail to see socialism in Obama’s policies… your argument is based on a false premise.
Even if you think Obama’s policies are democratic socialism like that practiced in Europe (I wish they were, they’re not) there is nothing in the Constitution that is inconsistent with those policies being enacted by duly elected representatives of the people… lot’s of republican democracies have democratic socialist parties… again, look at Europe.
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:18 pmI never thought you would but I do. Buying up banks, changing contracted agreements by the courts, National Healthcare. Spending money that we will never get back and putting the burden on our grandchildren can’t be good either.
Spending your way out of a recession has never worked. Not even in the Depression days. Time will tell if I’m right or you’re right.
Free markets should be allowed to fail. Just look at AIG, billions and billions of dollars spent and they are still going to fail. It’s been tried before and so far it has never worked.
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:43 pmSpending your way out of a recession has never worked. Not even in the Depression days.
A majority of Historical Economists disagree with you… as does history, look at post-war Europe and Japan…
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:47 pmSadly any Government could be called a Republic even Communism.
“A Republic is a state or a country that is not led by a hereditary monarch but in which the people (or at least a part of it’s people) have an impact on it government”
It’s not the definition of the word, it’s the intent of the founders that I look at.
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:48 pmbelac Says:
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Spending your way out of a recession has never worked. Not even in the Depression days.
A majority of Historical Economists disagree with you… as does history, look at post-war Europe and Japan…
And many agree with me. We will see won’t we. Post war Europe and Japan cannot be considered. It was a reconstruction period and the money came from outside the economies not from within. You know that.
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:53 pmIt’s not the definition of the word, it’s the intent of the founders that I look at.
Intent?
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:55 pmGreat!
But doesn’t that get in the way of being a strict constructionist?
I wish you’d have a talk with Justice Scalia about definitions versus intent… he’s confused.
Now if you want to look at Japan then look at their economy in the past 15 years. They tried to do just what we are trying to do. I’m glad you brought up Japans economy.
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:56 pmIt was a reconstruction period and the money came from outside the economies not from within. You know that.
Spending is spending… I’m a Keynesian, and supply-side economics seem to have failed us here…
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:57 pmbelac Says:
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It’s not the definition of the word, it’s the intent of the founders that I look at.
Intent?
Great!
But doesn’t that get in the way of being a strict constructionist?
I wish you’d have a talk with Justice Scalia about definitions versus intent… he’s confused.
I’d welcome the conversation.
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:58 pmJapan’s economy is growing… how’s ours doing under supply-side economics again?
March 3rd, 2009 at 2:59 pmbelac Says:
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It was a reconstruction period and the money came from outside the economies not from within. You know that.
Spending is spending… I’m a Keynesian, and supply-side economics seem to have failed us here…
Now you don’t really believe that do you? It’s much easier to spend someone elses money than your own. Besides those countries were totally destroyed by the war and we were untouched in the homeland.
They have failed because of Government interference. Free markets will adjust just as they always have. In the end it will be the free market and hard working people who bring us out of this mess. It always has and it always will. That is if the Government will get out of the way and let us do our thing.
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:09 pmThe spending bills haven’t done anything that I can notice except prolong the agony. It’s still early though. They should give more of the money to people who can really do something with it and not the unions. Small business is the key here. The grow quicker and increase employment quicker and that’s the key.
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Japan’s economy is growing… how’s ours doing under supply-side economics again?
It took them 15 years of massive spending to work their way out of their economic crisis. Do you want to wait 15 years spending all the way to achieve that? I don’t.
Come on.
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:12 pmbelac Says:
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I fail to see socialism in Obama’s policies… your argument is based on a false premise.
Even if you think Obama’s policies are democratic socialism like that practiced in Europe (I wish they were, they’re not) there is nothing in the Constitution that is inconsistent with those policies being enacted by duly elected representatives of the people… lot’s of republican democracies have democratic socialist parties… again, look at Europe.
I never thought I was going to change the way you see things.
I happen to see things differently than you do. When I hear Obama say that he is going to restructure the Country I worry. Sure we are in Economic trouble but do we need to restructure the way the whole country was set up?
No, that’s scary talk. Nancy Pelosi is saying the same thing not that’s double scary.
Let me tell you a secret. I’m kinda hard of hearing and I can read lips pretty good. I watch CSPAN and read Pelosi’s lips when she’s chatting with her friends and it scares the hell out of me. The sound is turned on but my eyes are wide open.
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:25 pmOkay, you see things differently… I think that Bush RADICALLY altered the country after 9/11… and that he often broke the law to do it… let me tell you a secret, those changes have failed the Republican party and now it’s the Democrats turn to deal with the mess supply-siders have created… we’ll do it, we just want you to stop pulling against us…
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:29 pmSorry for the typo’s. I’m at work and I get interrupted all day long. I miss things. Hey it’s what it is.
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:29 pmbelac Says:
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Okay, you see things differently… I think that Bush RADICALLY altered the country after 9/11… and that he often broke the law to do it… let me tell you a secret, those changes have failed the Republican party and now it’s the Democrats turn to deal with the mess supply-siders have created… we’ll do it, we just want you to stop pulling against us…
I don’t see a question in all that but the “pulling against us” comment is uncalled for. I have no power to pull agains anyone except every two years when I vote.
That don’t mean I can’t disagree. You people (Democrats) are in power. You’re going to do what you’re going to do.
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:36 pmI still live in this country and think my party will get another chance to get it right in the future. Anything that is done today can be reversed in the future. This country moves in cycles. Just look at history. I’m not in a panic like some others are. I’m patient. My problen is how much is it going to cost me.
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:39 pmI don’t see a question in all that but the “pulling against us” comment is uncalled for. I have no power to pull agains anyone except every two years when I vote.
Agreed, I apologize… I should have said the Republican’s in Congress are pulling against us… they are determined not to compromise but to obstruct… I apologize for including you in that group.
We disagree but you seem reasonable… thanks for that.
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:40 pmI don’t see it as obstructing. They were elected by people who disagree with the Democtic policies and are doing what they think is right. I agree with some of it and disagree with other things.
You do know that Obama got 54% of the vote right? Well 46% of the people didn’t vote for him. Does that mean that 46% of the people in this country have no say in what is going on???? It seems that Nancy Pelosi and Harry Ried do. An observation on my part.
As far as this Obama will fail nonsense goes, it’s just nonsense. I listened to Democrats yelling the same thing about Bush for 8 years. What’s the big deal?
Just another observation on my part.
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:48 pmI enjoyed our discussion. Sorry for the typo’s. I’m trying to do three things at a time here.
March 3rd, 2009 at 3:52 pmpebrooks Says:
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Have you ever noticed how the little “conservatives” that post comments here, generally call other’s names and mix lies with half-truths? They’ll always twist a fact into their point of view. Really quite tragic.
I have notice that Democrats do the very same thing here.
It’s not a one sided.
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Tracy__5 Says:
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“what about the 73% of historical economists who think you and these three guys been smoking the wacky?”
Provide the list of economists. BTW Japan tried the same thing as we did in the 1930s and it didn’t work either i.e. public works and raising taxes.
http://www.aei.org/ publications/ pubID.27568/ pub_detail.asp
And as *I* pointed out it was WORSE in countries that DIDN’T! ;)
Where?
March 3rd, 2009 at 4:38 pm