Pence: ‘You Bet’ We Want Obama’s Policies To Fail
Pence: ‘You Bet’ We Want Obama’s Policies To Fail
In recent days, increasing numbers of conservative activists and commentators have followed Rush Limbaugh’s lead in rooting for President Obama to fail. Now, it seems the House Republican leadership is getting on the bandwagon.
On CNN this afternoon, Rick Sanchez asked Rep. Mike Pence (R-IN) — the Chairman of the House Republican Caucus — if he agreed with Rush Limbaugh’s claim that “all Republicans want Barack Obama to fail.” Pence at first demurred, calling Sanchez’s question a “nice try.” “I know what Rush Limbaugh meant,” he said. But after listing off several caricatured aspects of Obama’s economic recovery plan, Pence said, “[Y]ou bet, we want those policies to fail”:
SANCHEZ: Did you hear what Rush Limbaugh said, “the dirty little secret is all Republicans want Barack Obama to fail?” Very direct question to you, Sir. Do you want Barack Obama to fail?
PENCE: Come on, Rick. Nice try. I know what Rush Limbaugh meant. … Everyone like me, Rush Limbaugh and others who believe in limited government, who believes in conservative values, wants the policies that this administration is bringing forward, higher taxes, massive increase in government spending, a huge increase in the role of government, in our daily lives, departure from traditional values. You bet, we want those policies to fail. Because, Rick, we know big government, increases in debt, the micromanagement of the economy out of Washington, DC is a policy that will fail.
Later, Sanchez asked Pence, “But if [Limbaugh] said something you disagreed with, would you call him out?” “I call them like I see them. Rush Limbaugh knows that.” Watch it:
Pence’s admission that he — and anyone “who believes in conservative values” — would like to see Obama’s policies fail is a direct contradiction to what House Minority Whip Eric Cantor (R-VA) said on Sunday. “I don’t think anyone wants anything to fail right now,” Cantor told ABC’s George Stephanopoulos.
Cantor’s suggestion that Limbaugh was wrong, however, does not appear to have been heartfelt. When contacted today by Greg Sargent, Cantor’s office refused to comment on whether or not the congressman did, in fact, disagree with Limbaugh in hoping for Obama to fail.
Finally, it’s troubling that Pence claims to know what Limbaugh really “meant” when he said “I hope Obama fails.” After all, Limbaugh refused to tell Sargent whether or not it would be “a good thing for the country” if Obama’s economic recovery plan were to be a success. It seems that if Senate Republicans haven’t decided they want Obama to fail, House Republicans sure have.
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Another traitor!!
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:04 pmLike lemmings, they all follow their leader, Limbaugh.
PENCE: Everyone like me, Rush Limbaugh and others who believe in limited government, who believes in conservative values, wants the policies that this administration is bringing forward, higher taxes, massive increase in government spending, a huge increase in the role of government, in our daily lives, departure from traditional values,…
You mean more massive than the price of Bush’s Little Middle-east Adventure? Paid by loans from China?
More government in daily lives? This is precious coming from the party that brought All-Communications-Surveillance, All-Of-The-Time.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:05 pmYou bet you’re a putz, Pence. Drill here, drill now and let the air out of your head.
Bush did the same thing, other than raising taxes on his wealthy corporate friends, and Pence cheered.
A pox on the red house.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:06 pmYeah, big government was really en vogue when Clinton was in office. You know with that surplus and everything. It was horrible.
Please, STFU, Pence!
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:06 pm“You betcha!” He’s channeling Palin.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:07 pmAs the Republican party sinks slowly into the sunset (riding on the belly of Rush), it is with a fond farewell that we remember the Grand Old Party and their history. Better to keep the real GOP in mind rather than the pathetic caricature of what we see today.
The only problem is how will a one-party system (the Democrats) work if they have no real opposition.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:09 pmSo what is this like 30 republicans rallying to the “We want the President(an thereby the country) to fail” line by Rush Limbaugh?
And the press still takes them seriously why exactly?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:09 pmOne of the President’s policies is to bring our troops home from Iraq safely.
Telling to see the GOP doesn’t want that to succeed, isn’t it?
Time to start asking them why they want our troops to die.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:11 pmLike Palin Watch, is anyone keeping a list of all the Rethugs who are traitorously echoing the words of Rush? Totting up that ledger will cost them dearly in 2010 and 2012…
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:11 pmThey said it and I accept it. The GOP hates the USA and are the enemy. Since they are the minority, they should be treated as any enemy to the country and shipped to Gitmo and waterboarded accordingly.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:13 pmhowlongbeforewefindoutthatpenceisaclosetflamerjustlikemarkfoley
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:13 pm?
Whether they say they want the President to fail, or are trying to be too cute by half by saying they want his policies to fail, it doesn’t matter. The outcome is the same — the American economy and our way of life do not recover from the current abyss under either scenario.
So what they’re really saying is “I hope the United States of America fails” (or, if you prefer “I hope the United States of America doesn’t recover”). This whole “I hope Obama’s policies fail because I know they will fail” that Pence and other Rushpublicans are spewing makes absolutely no logical sense, and avoids the real question: Why do Rushpublicans want the USA to fail?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:14 pmOkay, I’m not accustomed to offering sound advice to GOPers, but if these men want to appear to have some kind of backbone, they need to stop folding and groveling every time Rushbo calls them out for not being completely loyal to his extremist agenda.
An overwhelming majority of Americans dislike Rush, or see him as just an entertainer, so for all of this GOP leadership to keep falling to his/her knees whenever Rushbo calls them out makes them look really weak.
Really, really weak. And unpricipled. So I guess I’m hoping they’ll keep up the good work!
PEACE
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:14 pmIs this their new mantra? It reminds me of “Drill Baby, Drill!” And that worked real well didn’t it?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:16 pmReaganomics has such a great record over the past thirty years…for scandals in the Savings and Loans, Enron and energy, and now the banking industry and mortgage industry. I can see why thugs want to keep the government out of their business.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:16 pmThis is getting way beyond the spending bills or tax bills, it is becoming a revolution of one party defeated at the polls, refusing to accept this defeat. Republicans from several states are now talking sovereignty, yep that’s right, sovereignty.
I have always maintained that Republicans get ahead because they can scream louder than their opponents and flood the media with talking points. Right now they are flooding the media with the president will fail and are doing what ever it takes to bring about this failure.
Enough is enough. The Democratic Party had better take heed that once a lie is repeated often enough it becomes “truth”. Sitting back and letting Obama shoulder, alone, this media circus is hurting any thoughts of economic recovery not to mention trashing all things covering democracy.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:17 pmWho new Rush was in reality a fat lady?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:17 pmFunny how Pence mentions “big government” and overspending when Bush allowed Americans to be spied on, wasted trillions on the Iraq War and just did nothing as the economy slid to hell! Where were these GOPigs then?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:18 pmAnd every time these spineless goofballs kowtow to a draft-dodging racist junkie and admit that they are pulling for the failure of a popular newly elected president who is trying to solve the problems they helped create the American Taliban Party sinks deeper into irrelevancy.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:19 pmThe GOP War on America has begun.
-GSD
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:21 pmOne of the reasons that Social Security was passed back in the 1930’s was because wealthy people got tired of seeing and stepping over the homeless poor people. They wanted the government to do something and it did.
As I have stated on my blog, Limbaugh is undereducated because if he really knew what he was talking about, he would know that Americans are losing their jobs and their homes and that he, too, will be seeing and stepping over homeless poor people on his way to work. For these other Republicans to follow the lead of Porkulus Limbaugh, it is an indication of their stupidity and demonstrates that they, too, are undereducated.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 pmHey TP, when do we get to see your bloopers reel… I mean video footage of CPAC?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:25 pmThe Greedy Old Perverts have declared their war on the American People, and are trying their best to start violence (see: Glenn “Nazi” Beck, Sean “Failed Bartender” Hannity).
They are actually promoting violence in hopes of starting a civil war.
Just wait and see what one of their lemming followers do, it won’t be long.
FCUK THE REPUBLICANS
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pmWhy haven’t we heard about the so-called ‘Tea Party’ protests? Could it be they were a complete failure? MSM can put on every Repug they can find to denounce Obama, but they can’t show the Repugs failure about their so-called revolution.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pmavchavis Says:
Funny how Pence mentions “big government” and overspending when Bush allowed Americans to be spied on, wasted trillions on the Iraq War and just did nothing as the economy slid to hell! Where were these GOPigs then?
Not to mention the Dept. of Homeland Security, the biggest, most costly expansion of government I’ve ever seen. Billions of dollars being sent to each state, with mandates to allocate funds to small municipalities, villages, hell even one-horse towns for them to beef up their security.
Okay, the biggest, most costly may be overstating. I’m not sure but Medicare Part D (drugs for all, costs be damned!) could have cost even more than DHS.
Today’s GOP – Limbaugh’s Party of Hypocrits!
PEACE
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:26 pmRepublicans are cowards.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:27 pmRepublicans spout negatives about the President and how they want him and his plans to fail all day every day. Then when the people believe their crying they blame Obama for his plan not working. The right wing propagandist are blocking recovery for all of us.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:27 pmIt seems the Republican Party is exactly about small government and fiscal responsibility. Small enough that corporate can tell it to shut up and hand over the money.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:29 pmHow does 50 Million for the National Endowment of the Arts stimulate the economy?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:32 pmTake good long look at today’s GOP. They are fading faster than a sunset. In one years time, they all are going to be staring at each other, wondering whay does nobody like them anymore. The smallish cult is toast. Only the tried and true gullible ones are following along. They are believers…
The rest of us are working hard to re-build what W broke.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:32 pmAnd all this time, I thought the Republicans were ruining the country because they didn’t know what they were doing. Who could have guessed they were causing the country to fail on purpose?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:32 pmHow many of you got a job from a poor person?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:32 pmParty of Yahweh Annoints Rush The New Moses. The Republican Party is America!
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:35 pmI definately have and more than once
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:35 pmHow does 50 Million for the National Endowment of the Arts stimulate the economy?
— Well for one thing I will be getting a nice sum of money for a piece I am selling right now.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:36 pmdbadass – really and how did that work out for you? Still there are you? What do you consider poor?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:37 pmHow does 50 Million for the National Endowment of the Arts stimulate the economy?
— Well for one thing I will be getting a nice sum of money for a piece I am selling right now.
OK so I am supposed to subsidize your creating of art that nobody wants. OK gotcha.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:38 pmThey didnt believe in limited government when Bush grew it by some 35%
The ability to ignore facts is astounding at the least.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:39 pmP.D. Says:
“Why haven’t we heard about the so-called ‘Tea Party’ protests?”
you think we want these CPAC sheyatheads in new england with their nonsense?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:39 pmWell I stayed with the first fellow for 15 years and sadly he has since passed away. As to my current civil servany position it is an honor to serve the less than affluent folks that I work for and with. See I am a minimalist and don’t feel the need to gather shit that I don’t need around me to somehow pretend that I have made it
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:39 pmActually, it began 28 years ago.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:39 pmindependent989,
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:40 pmhow that “trickle down economics” working out for you?
OK so I am supposed to subsidize your creating of art that nobody wants. OK gotcha.
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March 3rd, 2009 at 5:41 pmEasy there your over cofidence will always bite you in the ass. I am not the artist. I am the seller. You ain’t got shit.
Xisithrus Says:
They didnt believe in limited government when Bush grew it by some 35%
The ability to ignore facts is astounding at the least.
Agreed, Republicans spent way too much on pork programs, you will get no argument from me. They acted like liberals and got kicked out. But that does not mean that it is ok to waste money on growing government.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:41 pmUndereducated Rush has been receiving a great deal of press lately and the Republicans are marching in lock-step with him. Several weeks ago, President Obama told the Republicans that they should not listen to Rush and what do they do? They Limbaugh dittoheads. This is good for the Democratic Party and it is good for President Obama. Too bad for the GOP. They walked right into a trap. No, they ran right into a trap.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:41 pmContrary to popular myth, every Republican president since and including Herbert Hoover has increased the federal government’s size, scope, or power–and usually all three. Over the last one hundred years, of the five presidents who presided over the largest domestic spending increases, four were Republicans. Include regulations and foreign policy, as well as budgets approved by a Republican Congress, and a picture begins to emerge of the Republican Party as a reliable engine of government growth.
Herbert Hoover
* Increased federal spending38 percent (current dollars)
* Passed the Agricultural Marketing Act (welfare for farmers)
* Passed the Hawley-Smoot Tariff
* Waged war on drugs (alcohol)
* Passed the Reconstruction Finance Corporation (pork and corporate welfare)
* Passed massive tax increases
Dwight Eisenhower
* Increased federal spending30 percent
* Created Department of Health, Education, & Welfare (and spending)
* Put Earl Warren and William Brennan on Supreme Court
* Helped install Shah Pahlevi in Iran (smart, real smart)
* Extended Socialism Security to 10 million additional persons
* Started American involvement in Vietnam
* Passed federal highway legislation
* Created NASA
* Started student loan program (aka, program to raise college tuition so no one can afford it)
* Kept federal counterfeiting to a minimum, causingyou to lose only 9 cents off your 1952 dollar(Source: The Inflation Calculator)
Richard Nixon
* Increased federal spending70 percent
* Created EPA, OSHA, and CPSC
* Started “affirmative action”
* Imposed price and wage controls
* Made your 1968 dollarworth just 78 cents by the timehe left office
* Proposed minimum national income
Gerald Ford
* Knocked 8 cents off your dollar in just two years [He didn't WIN (Whip Inflation Now]
* Increased federal spendingthroughoutterm
* Reduced spending on federal prisons by pardoning Nixon
* Overall, not too bad for a Republican and better than…
Ronald Reagan
* Increased federal spending53 percent
* ElevatedVeteran’s Administration
* Added 250,000 civilian employees
* Created drug czar’s office
* Escalated war on drugs
* “Saved” Social Security by increasing payroll tax
* Lowered the value of your 1980 dollarto 73 cents
GeorgeHerbert WalkerBush
* Increased federal spending 12 percent
* Signed the (litigious) Americans with Disabilities Act
* Managed to knock 13 cents off the value of your dollar in just four years
* Just said “Yes” to new taxes
Republican Congress
* Held your dollar’s loss in value to a mere 11 cents[Newt and the (1995-2000) gang]
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:41 pm* Increased federal spending and taxes collectedeach year
* Eviscerated ancient right of Englishmen and Americans–habeas corpus
* Flunked the acid test of economic sanity–raising the minimum wage (mandatory unemployment law)
* Passed Freedom to Farm Act (at taxpayers’ expense, that is)
I once got a job from someone who made less than $250,000 a year.
Does that count??
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:42 pmThat’s nothing. Ronald Reagan increased the size of the federal government 100% in eight years.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:42 pmEasy there your over cofidence will always bite you in the ass. I am not the artist. I am the seller. You ain’t got shit.
OK, so you bought or are an agent for some peice of art that nobody wants. Again, why am I forced to buy a peice of art that nobody else will pay for voluntarily.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:42 pmOK so I am supposed to subsidize your creating of art that nobody wants. OK gotcha.
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March 3rd, 2009 at 5:43 pmbesides even if I was why would you be so rude as to suggest that no one wanted my art? Do you have frustration, anger, and social alienation issues which cause bad manners? You asked a few questions and I answered them. No need to be so petulent
you aint subsidizing squat, independent989. You’re neither an “Independent” or wealthy.
Why do you dipsh*ts continue to take this approach? Do you really think anyone reading this is buying your story?
I’ve got to run, I’m getting together w/ Selma Hayek for cocktails in a few… sorry about your pain, 989.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:43 pmThe republican small government myth is just that, a myth, just like the liberal media myth
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:44 pmThat’s nothing. Ronald Reagan increased the size of the federal government 100% in eight years.
He also said deficits dont matter, as did Cheney in 2002, but now, apparently they do matter, though they dont really care about creating bigger deficits and more government.
I know people are generally easy to fool, but these Rush followes have to be the easiest of all times to dupe.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:45 pmI don’t think that was the characteristic that got them kicked out. How do you explain them being replaced by liberals in your mind(ugh)?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:45 pmindependent989 Says:
How does 50 Million for the National Endowment of the Arts stimulate the economy?
How did spending $600 Billion on Iraq make us any safer?
Never said that it did. I will tell you though that If I had a choice of either using 1 trillion to grow an inefficient and corrupt government or use 600 billion to try and foster a new Republic in the Middle East, I choose the later.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:46 pmso, independent, what would your plan to stimulate the economy be?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:46 pmwhy am I forced to buy a peice of art that nobody else will pay for voluntarily.
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Well you still are making a bizarre assumption based on no info as to who might be interested in purchasing art. No as to how art benefits a society well I think you would agree that literature, poetry, music, visual art forms and all the rest are among the greatest achievements of our species and should always be encouraged
Hardly. If liberals would have spent all of that money, we would have something to show for it besides a bunch of dead soldiers and Iraqi civilians. You know, stuff like schools, roads, bridges, health care, ect.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 pmso elephants really are afraid of mice
hm.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 pm“1 trillion to grow an inefficient and corrupt government or use 600 billion to try and foster a new Republic in the Middle East, I choose the later.”
yes, because it’s sooooo much more effective to spend money in the mideast building corrupt governments there.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:47 pmBadger Says:
I once got a job from someone who made less than $250,000 a year.
Does that count??
Badger, was that gross or net? What part of the country was it in? How many were employed? How long did you have that job? Do you really think that is the exception or the rule?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:48 pmI don’t think we should be so surprised at these backward-thinking folks and what they are saying about the President… after all these are the folks who believe that every lethal weapon known to man should be available to anybody who wants one (even felons, minors, and the mentally ill); who want to imprison women for having abortions; who are — many of them — even against contraceptives; who want to impose their religion on all children in public schools (whether the kids come from Christian families or not); who believe the only reasonable economic policy is to raid the fiscal coffers (i.e., money that belongs to all taxpayers) and hand over the loot to the richest among us; who think this country’s healthcare system is honky-dory, thank you very much; who think healthcare for poor children is an “earmark”; who think — many of them — that torture is ok.. how can anybody with a brain trust the judgement of these people?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:48 pmI will tell you though that If I had a choice of either using 1 trillion to grow an inefficient and corrupt government or use 600 billion to try and foster a new Republic in the Middle East, I choose the later. -I989
Yes, we need ferris wheels. luxury hotels and malls in Iraq
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:49 pmbesides even if I was why would you be so rude as to suggest that no one wanted my art? Do you have frustration, anger, and social alienation issues which cause bad manners? You asked a few questions and I answered them. No need to be so petulent
dbadass – if someone will buy it from you voluntarily why are you forcing me to pay for it? Why not sell it in the free market?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:49 pmYou had that choice and you did exactly that. That is why you aren’t decidin anymore….
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:50 pmSo, you got everything you wanted. Bush grew and inefficient and corrupt government in the Middle East.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:50 pmWhen will people realize that the “I only want Obama’s policies to fail, not Obama” argument itself is a practice in EPIC FAIL?
You can’t dance around it. There is no way that Obama can succeed if his policies fail. Wishing for the failure of Obama’s policies IS wishing for the failure of Obama. The two are linked, PERIOD.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:51 pm“dbadass – if someone will buy it from you voluntarily why are you forcing me to pay for it? Why not sell it in the free market?”
as opposed to forcing me pay for 20 million dollar bonuses for wall street execs? at least with art, we have something to show for it.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:51 pm1 trillion to grow an inefficient and corrupt government or use 600 billion to try and foster a new Republic in the Middle East, I choose the later.
So you’d rather spend all of our money on other countries and their economies versus ours?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:51 pmI don’t think that was the characteristic that got them kicked out. How do you explain them being replaced by liberals in your mind(ugh)?
Fred – My assumption is that independents who would have normally voted for a more conservative candidate could see no difference between the left and right. I think that many were caught up in Obama’s soaring rhetoric and had such a bitter taste in there mouths from the last 8 years. Many were convinced by elements of the media that Iraq was a mistake, rightly or wrongly, and wanted us to make a “change”. It is funny though, that now that Obama has the reigns, he will be utilizing the same withdrawal program that was already laid out for him by the previous administration.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:55 pmThinking out loud… Rush Limbaugh looks so unhealthy. He is morbidly obese and with the exception of his trips to the Dominican Republic, he sits on his fat butt all day. He is 58 years old and he is filled with anger. Without knowing his medical records and by using these observations, Rush is a prime candidate for either a massive heart attack or a stroke. Just what would these Repubs do if Rush keeled over on the job? Who would be their leader? They obviously are incapable of thinking for themselves. My guess is that they would be like lost sheep.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:56 pm“dbadass – if someone will buy it from you voluntarily why are you forcing me to pay for it? Why not sell it in the free market?”
It is the free market silly. The government shops too. Do you think all that construction, etc. will be done by soldiers? No, it will be done by local contractors…..
Matt’s right…
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:57 pm“My assumption is that independents who would have normally voted for a more conservative candidate could see no difference between the left and right.”
and that assumption would be flat out wrong. sarah palin took care of the swing independent vote pretty damn quick for mc cain.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:57 pmindependent989 Says:
was that gross or net?
Nothing but Net. My point is that MOST of the jobs created in recent history are created by Small Busineses… and Most of Small Businesses make (NET) less than a quarter million dollars a year.
If small businesses Gross more than that, they buy More Equipment, which is deductable ….and is also Good for the Economy.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:57 pmGOPer: [Looks at rod sticking out of crankcase] I think I am out of gas, thats why the car doesnt run.
GOPer2: Yes, Lord Messiah Lush told me that mechanics will lie to us. If we take this car to the shop they will tell us the engine is bad when we know, Bless Messiah Lush, that its a lie.
GOPer: Yes, we should fix this ourselves and put some gas in the tank>
GOPer2: Great Idea. [Puts gas in tank] Try starting it now.
GOPer: Okay [horrible noise] Still wont run. It must be the fuel pump Lord Messiah Rush cannot be wrong.
GOPer2: Okay. Lets get a fuel pump. Thank Messiah Lush for his wisdom.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:57 pmWhy are you still living here in the US with our inefficient and corrupt government, when you could move to the new Republic in the Middle East? Is someone forcing you to stay in America? Because if they are, that would be wrong, and you should call the police.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:59 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
so, independent, what would your plan to stimulate the economy be?
Taxcuts for all starters, eliminate capital gains for at least 3 years. During that time, implement the Fair Tax.
Gurantee the 5-8% of mortgages that are in trouble. Economy would bounce back quickly.
As for those companies that made poor decisions, let them go down.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:59 pmAlso, legalize or at least decriminalize marijuana. Reduces costs on system, increase revenues with taxes.
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:59 pmindependent989 Says:
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besides even if I was why would you be so rude as to suggest that no one wanted my art? Do you have frustration, anger, and social alienation issues which cause bad manners? You asked a few questions and I answered them. No need to be so petulent
dbadass – if someone will buy it from you voluntarily why are you forcing me to pay for it? Why not sell it in the free market?
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Tell you what, I’ll answer after you answer the question posed to you. Oh hell I get the sense that you might not be the type that will bother to take responsibility for your words so I will just tell you.
I am selling it on the “free” market. That changes little the fact that I support the artists of my society because the offer things which benefit us all
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:59 pmindependent989 Says:
Never said that it did. I will tell you though that If I had a choice of either using 1 trillion to grow an inefficient and corrupt government or use 600 billion to try and foster a new Republic in the Middle East, I choose the later.
What about spending a trillion dollars on an inefficient war that was based on lies in the middle east by giving no bid contracts to cronies while not provided basic services to our troops? Services like fresh water and edible food, services like showers that won’t kill you.
Instead spend that 600 billion on badly needed infrasture repairs, which will put people to work all over this great country, people who will spend that money in our stores further stimulatinng the economy while making commerce easier becuase roads won’t destroy trucks and bridges won’t collapse. And spend that money on school buildings and text books and scholarships so everyone can learn, and have a chance at the American Dream?
March 3rd, 2009 at 5:59 pmTaxcuts for all starters, eliminate capital gains for at least 3 years. During that time, implement the Fair Tax
This has never worked, but keep trying…
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:01 pmI think you are right about this and nothing else that you have said. I think bitter is an understatment and you just go ahead and tell yourself whatever you have to so you can sleep.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:01 pmindependent989 Says:
Also, legalize or at least decriminalize marijuana. Reduces costs on system, increase revenues with taxes.
I agree with this, try selling it to your buddies on the right…
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pm“Taxcuts for all starters, eliminate capital gains for at least 3 years. During that time, implement the Fair Tax.”
and that’s why your side has suffered stunning loses in the last two election cycle. it was the very recipe you just suggested that got us into this mess. do you think the american people are stupid?
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:02 pmalpuz3 Says:
you aint subsidizing squat, independent989. You’re neither an “Independent” or wealthy.
Alpuz, I will let your comment speak for itself.
Dr. Hussein Matt
For some reason reich-wingers are too ashamed to admit they are a republican. They always hide like cowards under the “I’m independent” umbrella.
Hussein I am fiscally conservative and socially fairly liberal. Call me what you want. I believe that both of our parties are full of corruption. Politicians looking out for politicians. We need to have more than 2 parties involved and one day we will. I just hope it is not too late.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:05 pmGurantee the 5-8% of mortgages that are in trouble. Economy would bounce back quickly
I dont see how thats going to happen when the banks that are being bailed out have some 600 trillion in CDS or CDO debt [assets] thats gone bad. Thats the real problem and its why banks are hoarding money.
They highly over leveraged system is insolvent. Humpty Dumpty fell off the wall. The kings men cant glue his greedy butt together again.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:06 pmUm, adding the word “policies” or “stimulus package” after the word “Obama” doesn’t all of a sudden mean you are distinguishing between the president and something else. If you want his policies to fail, that means you want Obama to fail, and that means you want the country to fail and that means you are anti-american.
Period.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:07 pmWhat the hell. independent989 asks a few questions. I answer them. I ask one and independent989 avoids it. And then these folks wonder why they don’t get more respect around here. What gives independent989?
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:07 pmindependent989 Says:
who’s the leader of the new indy party?
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:08 pmThe politicians are just straw men for the banksters. The politicians job is to make the government the greater fool for Madoff Street by buying its junk no one wants and to create more and more deficits [borrowing]
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:10 pmThat is Republican campaign strategy.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:11 pmhow come reporters never point out that conservative/republican policies are the reason were in this mess?
obama is president of a smoking crater thanks to them.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:12 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
so, independent, what would your plan to stimulate the economy be?
Making “stupid” worth something…Independent has plenty of it.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:12 pmYes, after the final death rattle of the GOP, I think the Whigs and the Federalists will stage a comeback.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:12 pmProud of what?
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:15 pmDamn these endless shifting of names gets tiresome…
Proud of being weak and ineffectual, I guess.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:19 pmYo Rush! Keep sucking down that oxy-contin you !@#, F#*()(G, Slobbering, C*@&$u@($r=R, you are as blind as you are deaf.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:20 pmRepublicans: party over country no matter what. Wanting the president to fail? Traitorous, according to their own hysterics during the last 8 years. So I guess each Republican who hopes for failure of the president is a traitor. By Republicans’ own definition of traitorous- before Obama got in, that is. Now that Obama is president, maligning him, insulting him, lying about his policies, and hoping for failure — well, it’s just fine now. Limbaugh says so.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:28 pmProud, I think you got it all wrong. Us watching rush and the gop implode is kinda like when you drive by a car wreck and you can’t help but look…..morbid curiosity.
We wanted them injured a long time ago and now they have fallen on their own sword. It’s really rather delicious. The irony runneth over….heh.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:33 pmProud Says:
“You won control of the gov’t and you are already looking to blame a radio talk show host for any policy failures. ”
No. We are mocking your party for lacking any leadership beyond a “radio talk show host”. Get a clue.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:34 pmProud Says:
From Bush derangement to Rush derangement. I believe both houses are under dem control and your messiah is in the White House.
“Rush derangement”? This from a tool who refers to the President of the United States as “your messiah”? Stupid as well as hypocritical.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:35 pmSure Pence wants all of us to fail. If half the country ends up begging for rice Pence and his country club grifter buddies will have an opportunity to make a buck or two.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:41 pmPence looks like another Rethuglican suffering from latent homosexuality. Will he come out of the closet on his own or be outed at some airport rest room? I bet the latter.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:50 pmYou democrats just wait until your rights get taken away. It will start with the 2nd amendment and then free speech.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:55 pmI am fiscally conservative and socially fairly liberal.
(in best Church Lady voice..) My, isn’t that con-ven-ient.
March 3rd, 2009 at 6:58 pmCrystal ball? This plausible fallacy has been pulmogated to death. Give it a rest and get real or remain irrelivant.
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:01 pmHi dorothy76:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:06 pmWhat exactly are you talking about? I look forward to discussing this with you further.
best-
Dorothy, you shouldn’t worry about your rights. Thanks to the Druggie Rush and the RepubliCons, you have already lost your mind.
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:07 pmI’m glad they’re concerned about the well being of the country, instead of their party’s political power. Goodness knows Obama’s policies couldn’t possibly do any worse than theirs have; hell, I’d rather have Ron Paul for president than any more of those blowhards.
Let’s hope they can start thinking beyond themselves. Maybe we could even remember back to a time when we promised to do things to make the world a better place, like, say, promising to honor the UN Millennium Goals back in 2000. Global poverty is still a huge issue and can be solved with so little effort or money.
The Borgen Project (www.borgenproject.org) has some interesting insight into addressing the issues of global poverty, something we can remedy easily and sustainably.
Some interesting figures to ponder:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:10 pm$30 billion USD: The annual shortfall to end global poverty.
$550 billion USD: The annual US defense budget.
dorothy76 Says:
You democrats just wait until your rights get taken away. It will start with the 2nd amendment and then free speech.
You know, I heard the same thing when Bush became president. As far as I know, I’m still talking.
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:12 pmPence and the rest of his NeoNut brethren do all they can to spew platitudes but have ZERO substance behind what they say. If we took just ONE of their talking points that’s old and tired, let’s say limited government in the financial markets right now…how long would the Dow Jones Market Index remain ABOVE ZERO – maybe two weeks?? OK, I’m being too pessimistic – three weeks.
These people are EMPTY. They ave NO IDEAS about what to do going forward. Liars as repliers to Obama’s speech should tell you all you need to know. Rush and his freak show is just icing…
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:13 pmwhere the hell is astegga? Is it just me or has the Borgen Project taken my advice and chosen to change strategies. I’ll tell you what Borgen Project tell the truth regarding this odd coincidence and I might actually give you that dough I spoke of.
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:14 pmThe new Pigbaugh-led GOP CPAC marching orders are:
* “Obama must Fail”
* “American Policies must Fail”
* “We Do Not Need Policies” (Rush rebuked Newt)
* “Winning Elections is all that Matters”
So “Country First” was merely another convenient campaign lie, obviously, as you pretend to ignore the carnage you created and instead adopt the new GOP war anthem to hope, plot and push American Policies for recovery and rebuilding our Country actually towards failure
Those plans are exactly the opposite of your own Party’s Policies that always and most recently have all been designed to destroy America, Government, the Middle Class and Economy and all proven to exactly ….Fail?
If actions do speak louder than words; Republicons all love failure, suffering, war, killing, debt, poverty and hate by selling it during election time under the demonically twisted mask of the opposite …“compassionate Christians”
If every instinct the Republicons have is wrong, then the opposite must be true.
Republicons have turned American into George Costanza..!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RiwIeJlQGzs
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:17 pmHey dorothy76:
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:21 pmIt is okay we can talk. Just explain what you mean and we can chit chat about it. I don’t have much use for “firearms” but I do like that 1st ammendment dealio. Well that isn’t really true. There is this rocket launcher I have had my eyes on for awhile now….
dorothy76,
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:30 pmWas it something I said? You did come here to discuss important topics and issues like rights right?
Semantics. . . Anyone who wants the President to fail wants America to fail. Apparently a failed America is good for the GOP.
Heh? America is hurting. If a policy helps Americans, why the heck would you want it to fail?
Again, disagree with the policy, put forth a better policy, but DO NOT HOPE that policies designed to help floundering Americans in an economy that you created means that Americans must fail if you are to ensure your political betterment!
Americans must fail if you are to succeed?! WTF?!
March 3rd, 2009 at 7:57 pmOh yeah, the “bail out policy” is not a cafeteria plan. You cannot accept some and disregard the rest. “Yes” says Boehner, I want a rail system that runs through my district, but, Louisiana absolutely should not accept ongoing unemplolyment funds for its perpetually out of work . . . on second thought, nor should I. I refuse to accept unemploymnet funds that i can later reject because that is Socialism, as my people starve, can’t send their kids to college and stiffle my side-walks with unemployed.
By denying unemployment benefits, the unemployed will move to other states that do offer those benefits, thereby lowering by unemployment statistics. Those freeloaders won’t go to red states they’ll go to blue states. Screw them.
Unfortunately, Boehnerd the cry-baby, those unemployed will flock to your state to build the pork-barrell infractusture you so cry about.
Obama’s plan must be comprehensive, take one take it all. If you reject it in part, you get none. No high speed raid road for you Mr. Boehner.
Also, it must be a clawback. If you worked in any capacity for Countrywide or any other mortgage provider, you cannot, nor can you wives, children or business associated purchase subprime mortagages or foreclosures. I think I’ll start a clawback website, any company or individual that profited in any way from the subprime market must simply adopt the mortgage, in its entirety, of any foreclosed upon mortgagee.
Fraud is a terrible thing, whether it’s upon the Federal government that bailed out your employer as a consequence of your wrongdoing, or the poor overly ambitious home owner that accepted the terms of your no down payment ARM term mortgage. Yes, Hell yes, there are plenty of us unemployed professionals out there ready to claw back your ill gotten gains. If Obama is worth half his tout, he’ll get regulators on this crime before the attornies pounce. I suspect, we’re ahead of his game.
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:12 pmI’ve got crabcakes John Kerry….
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:24 pmHow do you think this might end?
It’s one thing to say that you fully expect Obama’s policies will fail if you do not share his philosophy about the role of government in the economic recovery. It is quite another matter to WISH for his policies to fail, because this will result in increased unemployment, more business failures, more home foreclosures, and more older people without the security blanket of their pensions and retirement accounts.
Why would you WISH for that? Simply so that you could smugly sit back and gloat? Is the GOP that cold and indifferent to the suffering of their fellow citizens? Is their mantra going to continue to be: “I’ve got mine. To hell with everyone else!” ?
This is why the extreme right of the GOP is increasingly becoming irrelevant to the majority of Americans. There is far too much at stake to wish that ANYONE fails.
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:24 pmPerhaps the immediate assumption that the bold use of the bold is an attention getting device has us barking up the wrong tree. Perhaps we have us a real serial killer like genius. Let’s think outside the box. Other than attention why would someone always do the bold thing? Sure they are looking for a certain style and delivery but still other than attention, what might explain this?
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:35 pmThat is a valid point and one I needed to her. In my line of work it is easy to get carried away. Shit between Nick Cage and Denzel they must be a dozen feature films about profilers of oddballs… Often the profiler gets too much inside the mind of the profilee
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:48 pmAre you out of school yet???
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:49 pm–
And by school what do you mean? Me? I am a life long learner….
why is “dbadass” so hard to spell?
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:50 pmGOP should be killed.
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:55 pmYes, the people.
I SAY AGAIN
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:57 pmWHAT MIGHT EXPLAIN THIS?
139:
Do I have to announce again that…
I OWN JOHN KERRY?
So just keep your meathooks off…
March 3rd, 2009 at 8:59 pmSorry I ment to bold #140. My screw up sort of blew the joke.
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:00 pmThose free marketers like Pence have so much to cling to…you know since it worked so well so far. Free market economics and deregulation had a little to do with this latest crash and burn.
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:17 pmSorry Trajan75IQ
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:19 pmThere still call me cruiser down at the car club…
Wow. The GOP just keeps getting more and more desperate. When are they gonna finally stop b**ching and start actually contributing actual ideas?
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:19 pmhttp://democralypsenow.blogspot.com/
Shit!!! “There” has to be “They” and even still it is sort of obscure
March 3rd, 2009 at 9:21 pmI have read all the posts this time and I sit here astounded. The one who calls himself Independent would rather waste trillions in Iraq, destroying people and property, and running up huge debt that serves no one. He does not want to invest less money in our country, for our people and our future. This makes no sense. Please someone, explain the rationale this whack jobs are attempting to sell.
And then this loon who calls himself proud comes along and calls our President “the messiah” and spouts off that “you won control of the government…” See, this is just a game for these folks – it’s all about winning or losing – not bettering our country for everyone. Besides, we are all the government – it’s We the People, For the People, By the People – or is that too much socialism for the likes of that one who calls himself proud.
And to top it off…….sheeeesh…..this Dorothy character and her suggestion that all our rights are going to be taken away. HEY YOU, wake up — they already were under your chimperor W — or were you not paying attention? Have you not heard that our country has been living in a dictatorship for the last 8 nightmarish years? Where were you and all your concerns?
Where do these people come from? Are they for real?
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:03 pmTrajan, I have to call you on this. I believe it was I who drew out John Kerry.
In fact, I made an announcement on another thread when Troll JK responded for the first time (at least, it was the first time I ever saw him respond).
I’m taking credit for that one.
Although I still think the real credit goes to his doctors who finally settled on an effective drug cocktail.
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:05 pmJohn Kerry Says:
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He is ALREADY failing!!
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Only in the eyes of a failed loser. Face, accept it…you lost and are insignigicant and cannot influence anything. Comprehend?
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:06 pmhttp://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29493021/
Alright, I’ll admit tht he cited others before I. Still without the nourishment I offered along they way, John Kerry would have suffered a less than bold demise long before you local hooligans could have lured him from my nest
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:12 pmOh, and I forgot about the one who calls himself John Kerry the BOLD. He’s already failing? How can that be after one and a half months? – and this one no doubt thinks that Georgie was a success – Talk about sore losers — that one, John Kerry. Those GOOPERS sure know how to grow a bunch of ignorant, useless and space occupying piles of shite. And there you have it!
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:15 pmGOPers are going against the most popular president ever. What do they think they will gain? They are trying to keep the bottom feeding, knuckle dragging 28% together because they have lost the middle minded and the open minded of the party. All they have left are the haters.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29493021/
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:30 pmas a result of an infinitely impossible series of coincidences.
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March 3rd, 2009 at 10:42 pmI am not so sure. The forces which impact the members of my karass are infinite yet predictable but beyond prediction. I like that part of things
Okay look just tell me this…
WHO OWNS JOHN KERRY
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:48 pmdbadass,
I THINK YOU DO!
March 3rd, 2009 at 10:49 pmWhere do these people come from? Are they for real?
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March 3rd, 2009 at 10:57 pmgreen can you do me a solid and not get a million others asking the same questions which are at the basis of my work? I am not even close to ready to publish. Come on. My fututre depends on this thesis…
dbadass,
March 3rd, 2009 at 11:04 pmhee, hee, hee……I support your work and wish you great success in cracking the nuts.
Get yerself some rest, T75. You’ve had a busy few days.
March 4th, 2009 at 12:02 amWill someone please explain to me what these
“traditional values” are that these wingnuts spout about?
Last time I checked, the actual tradition in this nation is that we progress from what we have at the moment. You know, like how we progressed beyond slavery, allowing minorities to vote, allowing women to vote, and allowing women to chose what they do with their OWN bodies.
Our nation’s truest creed is “A more perfect union”. We keep striving for perfection, even though we know its unattainable…
March 4th, 2009 at 8:39 am“Capital must protect itself in every possible manner by combination and legislation. Debts must be collected, bonds and mortgages must be foreclosed as rapidly as possible. When, through a process of law, the common people lose their homes they will become more docile and more easily governed through the influence of the strong arm of government, applied by a central power of wealth under control of leading financiers. This truth is well known among our principal men now engaged in forming an imperialism of Capital to govern the world. By dividing the voters through the political party system, we can get them to expend their energies in fighting over questions of no importance. Thus by discreet action we can secure for ourselves what has been so well planned and so successfully accomplished.” USA Banker’s Magazine, August 25 1924
It’s funny how the Repugs keep insisting on laws that help those want to distroy America….including bankers!!!!
March 4th, 2009 at 11:22 amAdd Pence to the list of traitors!
(UATWMF)
March 4th, 2009 at 12:49 pmClearly, these good American citizens want America to fail. They follow the old tradition “My Way or No way” that was drilled into them over the last 8 years.
March 4th, 2009 at 3:41 pmThey know who will support their reelection campaigns, for example, those that get “EARMARKS” and “NO BID” Contracts. Of course they will take the taxpayer money and give a portion to the Officials to get them re-elected and continue sending them more, and more, money. In system studies, they would call this a “Closed System” except the money flows is split between them and their Lap Dog.
Good News! We know who they are and we can throw their words back at them, let’s find out how voters feel about it.
The hardest part in a battle is to ferret out the enemy of the people, they have done that for us, let’s practice ways to throw their words back at them.
The loyal opposition has clearly showed their true colors. There is a group that has clearly profited from the Bush presidency. This reminds me of the days after Clinton won the Whitehouse. Both times the RNC flatly stated there would be no cooperation with the President or the Democrats. The big difference with Obama is he can draw on the Clinton years for guidence. Lets see, we have the opening up of American accounts in Switzerland, the Britons have singaled the opening of American accounts in their territories and investigations of Halibertion to name a few. This may explain why the RNC is screeming blood murder. Finally Obama is a skilled polition with plenty of seasoned advisors. The more the RNC screams the closer the truth is. These are curious times.
March 4th, 2009 at 8:03 pm