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	<title>Comments on: Dean: ‘I Don’t Think We Should Impose A Single-Payer On Everybody’</title>
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		<title>By: tedherman</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/dean-on-health-care/comment-page-2/#comment-5534678</link>
		<dc:creator>tedherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 02:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dean is a disappointment to reform. In an attempt at seeming thoughtful and independent,  he denigrates single-payer and offers nothing substantive in return. The private insurance paradigm is a failure and has proven unable to deliver universal health care, or control costs. We must de-commodify health care, take profit out of the system, and reform the delivery system. People don&#039;t love their insurance companies, no matter how many times Dean or Shalala or others repeat this myth. They like their doctors (sometimes) and under a single-payer system, they&#039;ll still be able to access them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dean is a disappointment to reform. In an attempt at seeming thoughtful and independent,  he denigrates single-payer and offers nothing substantive in return. The private insurance paradigm is a failure and has proven unable to deliver universal health care, or control costs. We must de-commodify health care, take profit out of the system, and reform the delivery system. People don&#8217;t love their insurance companies, no matter how many times Dean or Shalala or others repeat this myth. They like their doctors (sometimes) and under a single-payer system, they&#8217;ll still be able to access them.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5534678', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Popatop</title>
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		<dc:creator>Popatop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 00:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Simple question, where does government, &quot;free&quot; health care work?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Simple question, where does government, &#8220;free&#8221; health care work?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5534516', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Pseudonym</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/dean-on-health-care/comment-page-2/#comment-5533427</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudonym</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 17:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#30 Patrick E:

The problem is that a system of universal health insurance that includes a mish-mash of private insurers will not work.  It&#039;s not economically feasible.  If thousands of insurers are forced to accept everybody, including the sick, then their economics won&#039;t work, even if healthy people are forced to buy insurance too.  This is because their total risk pools won&#039;t be large enough to sustain paying for actual care (much as it is now!).

The only way to create a system where the insurer actually pays up for actual health care is to have a large enough risk pool with everyone paying in (sick or not with the very poor being subsidized).  The only way this works is with single payer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#30 Patrick E:</p>
<p>The problem is that a system of universal health insurance that includes a mish-mash of private insurers will not work.  It&#8217;s not economically feasible.  If thousands of insurers are forced to accept everybody, including the sick, then their economics won&#8217;t work, even if healthy people are forced to buy insurance too.  This is because their total risk pools won&#8217;t be large enough to sustain paying for actual care (much as it is now!).</p>
<p>The only way to create a system where the insurer actually pays up for actual health care is to have a large enough risk pool with everyone paying in (sick or not with the very poor being subsidized).  The only way this works is with single payer.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5533427', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/dean-on-health-care/comment-page-2/#comment-5533189</link>
		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:50:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AntiChrist if you were being sarcastic, my appologies. It is early for me reading your post again I see I perhaps misread you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AntiChrist if you were being sarcastic, my appologies. It is early for me reading your post again I see I perhaps misread you.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5533189', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well AntiChrist I see you are breaking out the REALLY stupid very early today. Does it hurt to be as ignorant as you? So Japan and Canada are communist countries. Why do morons like you use words you dont understand? I guess because if you didnt you would never say ANYTHING. You do know you are astonishingly stupid dont you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well AntiChrist I see you are breaking out the REALLY stupid very early today. Does it hurt to be as ignorant as you? So Japan and Canada are communist countries. Why do morons like you use words you dont understand? I guess because if you didnt you would never say ANYTHING. You do know you are astonishingly stupid dont you?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5533179', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EugeneDebs</title>
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		<dc:creator>EugeneDebs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 15:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Al Gore Says: 

Most likely because unlike ignorant brainwashed cretins like you liberals dont tune into a radio personality to have someone do their thinking for them.</description>
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<p>Most likely because unlike ignorant brainwashed cretins like you liberals dont tune into a radio personality to have someone do their thinking for them.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5533174', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: tko</title>
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		<dc:creator>tko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something else to consider is that &lt;b&gt;all goods manufactured in the U.S. are higher priced because the manufacturer passed on the cost of health insurance. I&#039;ve been laid off 3 times. The last time was at Duracell batteries where I had worked for 16 years when they decided to open a plant in China. So indirectly, the high cost of healthcare has cost Americans their jobs and if we ever want anything manufactured in the U.S. to be competitively priced with goods manufactured elsewhere, we need single payer healtcare.&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something else to consider is that <b>all goods manufactured in the U.S. are higher priced because the manufacturer passed on the cost of health insurance. I&#8217;ve been laid off 3 times. The last time was at Duracell batteries where I had worked for 16 years when they decided to open a plant in China. So indirectly, the high cost of healthcare has cost Americans their jobs and if we ever want anything manufactured in the U.S. to be competitively priced with goods manufactured elsewhere, we need single payer healtcare.</b><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5533053', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: TheAntichrist</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheAntichrist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 09:18:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From The CIA Website... Here&#039;s a 2008 list of the life expectancies of all &quot;communist&quot; states with &quot;socialized&quot; healthcare... 

Canada: males:78.65 females:83.81 
France: males:77.68 females:84.23 
Germany: males:76.11 females:82.26
Japan: male:78.73 females:85.59
Luxembourg: males:75.91 females:82.67
United Kingdom: males:76.37 females:81.46
Ireland: males:75.44 females:80.88
Lichtenstein: males:76.38 females:83.52
Netherlands: male:76.66 females: 81.98
Belgium: males:75.9 females:82.38
Spain: males:76.6 females:83.45
Norway: males:77.16 females:82.6
Sweden: males:78.49 female:83.13
Finland: males:75.31 females:82.46
Italy: males:77.13 female:83.2
Austria: male:76.46 female:82.41 
Switzerland: males:77.91  female:83.71--------------------------------------------------------------------------------&gt;The United States: males:75.29 females:81.13.....  
Now I sure wish people would please stop repeating talking points that come from fear merchants like Rush and the wing nuts at Fight Obama News (Fox)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From The CIA Website&#8230; Here&#8217;s a 2008 list of the life expectancies of all &#8220;communist&#8221; states with &#8220;socialized&#8221; healthcare&#8230; </p>
<p>Canada: males:78.65 females:83.81<br />
France: males:77.68 females:84.23<br />
Germany: males:76.11 females:82.26<br />
Japan: male:78.73 females:85.59<br />
Luxembourg: males:75.91 females:82.67<br />
United Kingdom: males:76.37 females:81.46<br />
Ireland: males:75.44 females:80.88<br />
Lichtenstein: males:76.38 females:83.52<br />
Netherlands: male:76.66 females: 81.98<br />
Belgium: males:75.9 females:82.38<br />
Spain: males:76.6 females:83.45<br />
Norway: males:77.16 females:82.6<br />
Sweden: males:78.49 female:83.13<br />
Finland: males:75.31 females:82.46<br />
Italy: males:77.13 female:83.2<br />
Austria: male:76.46 female:82.41<br />
Switzerland: males:77.91  female:83.71&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;&gt;The United States: males:75.29 females:81.13&#8230;..<br />
Now I sure wish people would please stop repeating talking points that come from fear merchants like Rush and the wing nuts at Fight Obama News (Fox)<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5533001', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: SkepticRising</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkepticRising</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:17:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking for myself, Howard, go ahead and impose away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking for myself, Howard, go ahead and impose away.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532975', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: had enough</title>
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		<dc:creator>had enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;“the Hot Points,” writes: “What respectable business is going to send millions of dollars in ad revenue to people who bash the president, the country and the war on a constant basis? Not only that, but liberals never miss an opportunity to bash corporations as evil and crooked. Why the hell would big business support the enemy?”&lt;/em&gt;

Now it is the hate America righties bashing the president and country... they even want US to fail.  I will bet Corporate America will not hesitate in continuing their monetary support towards the propaganda that benefits them.

And it is the multinational corporations that is killing America.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>“the Hot Points,” writes: “What respectable business is going to send millions of dollars in ad revenue to people who bash the president, the country and the war on a constant basis? Not only that, but liberals never miss an opportunity to bash corporations as evil and crooked. Why the hell would big business support the enemy?”</em></p>
<p>Now it is the hate America righties bashing the president and country&#8230; they even want US to fail.  I will bet Corporate America will not hesitate in continuing their monetary support towards the propaganda that benefits them.</p>
<p>And it is the multinational corporations that is killing America.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532848', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: had enough</title>
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		<dc:creator>had enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;It’s not like Obama wants single payer either.. We’ll never get real health care here might as well join the military ...&lt;/em&gt;

He is working on it and it will take time.  Mean while all sick uninsured take care of yourself and seek treatment from the ER if no other place is available. If you can not pay so be it.  &lt;strong&gt;There are too many growing horror stories of unnecessary death due to lack of access to health care.&lt;/strong&gt;

In &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19430_Page2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Obama&#039;s weekly radio address&lt;/a&gt; he made these statements last Saturday:
&lt;em&gt;I promised to bring down the crushing cost of health care – a cost that bankrupts one American every thirty seconds, forces small businesses to close their doors, and saddles our government with more debt. This budget keeps that promise, with a historic commitment to reform that will lead to lower costs and quality, affordable health care for every American.

I realize that passing this budget won’t be easy. Because it represents real and dramatic change, it also represents a threat to the status quo in Washington. I know that the insurance industry won’t like the idea that they’ll have to bid competitively to continue offering Medicare coverage, but that’s how we’ll help preserve and protect Medicare and lower health care costs for American families.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>It’s not like Obama wants single payer either.. We’ll never get real health care here might as well join the military &#8230;</em></p>
<p>He is working on it and it will take time.  Mean while all sick uninsured take care of yourself and seek treatment from the ER if no other place is available. If you can not pay so be it.  <strong>There are too many growing horror stories of unnecessary death due to lack of access to health care.</strong></p>
<p>In <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0209/19430_Page2.html" rel="nofollow">Obama&#8217;s weekly radio address</a> he made these statements last Saturday:<br />
<em>I promised to bring down the crushing cost of health care – a cost that bankrupts one American every thirty seconds, forces small businesses to close their doors, and saddles our government with more debt. This budget keeps that promise, with a historic commitment to reform that will lead to lower costs and quality, affordable health care for every American.</p>
<p>I realize that passing this budget won’t be easy. Because it represents real and dramatic change, it also represents a threat to the status quo in Washington. I know that the insurance industry won’t like the idea that they’ll have to bid competitively to continue offering Medicare coverage, but that’s how we’ll help preserve and protect Medicare and lower health care costs for American families.</em><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532776', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sc mom</title>
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		<dc:creator>sc mom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:37:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>progressive talk radio struggles -- not because of lack of listeners but because of 


&lt;blockquote&gt;... it&#039;s that it didn&#039;t have &lt;strong&gt;advertisers&lt;/strong&gt;.  .... 
Why would advertisers steer clear of progressive talk? Chris Jones, managing editor of the blog &quot;the Hot Points,&quot; writes: &quot;What respectable business is going to send millions of dollars in ad revenue to people who bash the president, the country and the war on a constant basis? Not only that, but liberals never miss an opportunity to bash corporations as evil and crooked. Why the hell would big business support the enemy?&quot;   &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sacbee.com/110/story/927485.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;LINK&lt;/a&gt;


&lt;/blockquote&gt;

i believe that -- ever listen to Progressive talk?  their commercials are a rare breed!


then here&#039;s Think Progress&#039; 
&lt;a href=&quot;http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/20/radio-report/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;“The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio” &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>progressive talk radio struggles &#8212; not because of lack of listeners but because of </p>
<blockquote><p>&#8230; it&#8217;s that it didn&#8217;t have <strong>advertisers</strong>.  &#8230;.<br />
Why would advertisers steer clear of progressive talk? Chris Jones, managing editor of the blog &#8220;the Hot Points,&#8221; writes: &#8220;What respectable business is going to send millions of dollars in ad revenue to people who bash the president, the country and the war on a constant basis? Not only that, but liberals never miss an opportunity to bash corporations as evil and crooked. Why the hell would big business support the enemy?&#8221;   <a href="http://www.sacbee.com/110/story/927485.html" rel="nofollow">LINK</a></p>
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<p>i believe that &#8212; ever listen to Progressive talk?  their commercials are a rare breed!</p>
<p>then here&#8217;s Think Progress&#8217;<br />
<a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2007/06/20/radio-report/" rel="nofollow">“The Structural Imbalance of Political Talk Radio” </a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532726', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: had enough</title>
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		<dc:creator>had enough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:23:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;There was some talk here a while back about the entire failure of lefty talk. It just doesn’t work.&lt;/em&gt;


* Ed Shultz would tell a different story.... his show has been a success.

* Ray Taliaferro from www.kgo.com has been on for decades and with high ratings.  Even thou kgo is not syndicated, Ray&#039;s show is picked up on the internet nation wide and around the world (it is day time during his show) due to his popularity.

* Peter B Collins is now heard more frequently in the Pacific NW

* Thom Hartmann is going strong

*  The Portland area station KPOJ620am, progressive talk, is growing in popularity as more and more are calling in nation wide while listening on the internet.  I am sure that is true with many other local progressive stations.

In general &lt;strong&gt;both progressive and hate America righty talk have taken a hit due to the economy created by the Bush Crime Family.&lt;/strong&gt;  The difference is &lt;strong&gt;big money supports the show that delivers  propaganda for their cause.&lt;/strong&gt;  

As for ratings - Rush&#039;s ratings are high only because he competes against himself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>There was some talk here a while back about the entire failure of lefty talk. It just doesn’t work.</em></p>
<p>* Ed Shultz would tell a different story&#8230;. his show has been a success.</p>
<p>* Ray Taliaferro from <a href="http://www.kgo.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.kgo.com</a> has been on for decades and with high ratings.  Even thou kgo is not syndicated, Ray&#8217;s show is picked up on the internet nation wide and around the world (it is day time during his show) due to his popularity.</p>
<p>* Peter B Collins is now heard more frequently in the Pacific NW</p>
<p>* Thom Hartmann is going strong</p>
<p>*  The Portland area station KPOJ620am, progressive talk, is growing in popularity as more and more are calling in nation wide while listening on the internet.  I am sure that is true with many other local progressive stations.</p>
<p>In general <strong>both progressive and hate America righty talk have taken a hit due to the economy created by the Bush Crime Family.</strong>  The difference is <strong>big money supports the show that delivers  propaganda for their cause.</strong>  </p>
<p>As for ratings &#8211; Rush&#8217;s ratings are high only because he competes against himself.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532701', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: EliHarold</title>
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		<dc:creator>EliHarold</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not surprised by this.. It&#039;s not like Obama wants single payer  either.. We&#039;ll never get real health care here might as well join the military and go die to shore up the opium crops..er.. I mean &quot;fight for freedom&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not surprised by this.. It&#8217;s not like Obama wants single payer  either.. We&#8217;ll never get real health care here might as well join the military and go die to shore up the opium crops..er.. I mean &#8220;fight for freedom&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532694', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: AlGore</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/dean-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-5532591</link>
		<dc:creator>AlGore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:10:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;OT: Anyone else sick of Nancy Skinner the one in Randi Rhodes old spot? I can not listen to her.

Besides Nova M dissolving and Second Thought taking it’s place, has anyone heard any other news on this or the whereabouts of Randi Rhodes?&lt;/em&gt;

Nova-M has filed bankruptcy, Second Thought has been locked out of it&#039;s offices and Rhodes is on the ash heap of the whole failed idea of &quot;progressive talk&quot; Radio. There was some talk here a while back about the entire failure of lefty talk. It just doesn&#039;t work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>OT: Anyone else sick of Nancy Skinner the one in Randi Rhodes old spot? I can not listen to her.</p>
<p>Besides Nova M dissolving and Second Thought taking it’s place, has anyone heard any other news on this or the whereabouts of Randi Rhodes?</em></p>
<p>Nova-M has filed bankruptcy, Second Thought has been locked out of it&#8217;s offices and Rhodes is on the ash heap of the whole failed idea of &#8220;progressive talk&#8221; Radio. There was some talk here a while back about the entire failure of lefty talk. It just doesn&#8217;t work.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532591', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: youtube</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/dean-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-5532578</link>
		<dc:creator>youtube</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Dean gets older he gets stupid, what would you expect.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Dean gets older he gets stupid, what would you expect.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532578', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Morgan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/dean-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-5532546</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:34:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Fontsdelon says, &quot;The problem with health care is it costs too much.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

A middleman (managed care companies) introjected itself into the relationship between doctors and their patients in order to get a piece of the health care dollar.  Once they got in, they increased their own cut by denying claims.  The medical professionals who are actually doing the work haven&#039;t gotten raises in years.  Doctors also have to pay the managed care companies an annual fee in order to get the managed care companies&#039; patient referrals.  

Health care costs started skyrocketing when hospitals began doing sexy procedures on middle-aged white men -- Coronary bypass surgery costs were passed on to other insureds.  The Nadya Sulemons, saving extreme infants, costs millions and those costs were passed on to the other insureds.  Every hospital had to have a CT-scan, but it was cost a fortune so procedures were invented and protocols were set for all kinds of medical problems so that the hospitals could pass on the costs to the insurance companies.

We all paid so that the privileged white middle aged men could get their arteries cleaned out, and infertile upper middle class white women could get pregnant.  

There will be rationing one way or another, but as it stands now, it&#039;s only the rich who get the preferential treatment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Fontsdelon says, &#8220;The problem with health care is it costs too much.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>A middleman (managed care companies) introjected itself into the relationship between doctors and their patients in order to get a piece of the health care dollar.  Once they got in, they increased their own cut by denying claims.  The medical professionals who are actually doing the work haven&#8217;t gotten raises in years.  Doctors also have to pay the managed care companies an annual fee in order to get the managed care companies&#8217; patient referrals.  </p>
<p>Health care costs started skyrocketing when hospitals began doing sexy procedures on middle-aged white men &#8212; Coronary bypass surgery costs were passed on to other insureds.  The Nadya Sulemons, saving extreme infants, costs millions and those costs were passed on to the other insureds.  Every hospital had to have a CT-scan, but it was cost a fortune so procedures were invented and protocols were set for all kinds of medical problems so that the hospitals could pass on the costs to the insurance companies.</p>
<p>We all paid so that the privileged white middle aged men could get their arteries cleaned out, and infertile upper middle class white women could get pregnant.  </p>
<p>There will be rationing one way or another, but as it stands now, it&#8217;s only the rich who get the preferential treatment.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532546', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Morgan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/dean-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-5532522</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Patrick says, &quot;Let’s get everyone covered first. Once everyone is covered, it will be much easier to get to a single payer system.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;


No, it won&#039;t be.  It&#039;s been over 30 years since the last health care reform.  Once anything gets through Congress, it stays that way for at least one generation.  More often it remains in perpetuity, because everybody remembers how hard it was to get it done in the first place and it&#039;s harder to get enough people interested in revisiting the legislation.  

This is the time to get the health care that we want and that we need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Patrick says, &#8220;Let’s get everyone covered first. Once everyone is covered, it will be much easier to get to a single payer system.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>No, it won&#8217;t be.  It&#8217;s been over 30 years since the last health care reform.  Once anything gets through Congress, it stays that way for at least one generation.  More often it remains in perpetuity, because everybody remembers how hard it was to get it done in the first place and it&#8217;s harder to get enough people interested in revisiting the legislation.  </p>
<p>This is the time to get the health care that we want and that we need.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532522', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Fontsdeleon</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/dean-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-5532513</link>
		<dc:creator>Fontsdeleon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with health care is it costs too much. Many of the things that make a modern society modern costs too much. That&#039;s what is driving the country backwards. Since no one will lower their costs, there has to be a collapse. That will lower  costs. Probably forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with health care is it costs too much. Many of the things that make a modern society modern costs too much. That&#8217;s what is driving the country backwards. Since no one will lower their costs, there has to be a collapse. That will lower  costs. Probably forever.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532513', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Jackie Morgan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/dean-on-health-care/comment-page-1/#comment-5532511</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackie Morgan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 03:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Howard Dean, and Obama for that matter, are protecting is Corporate America and their big salaries and bonuses.  Employees for managed care get bonuses for denying claims.  Denying care.  

Look what they make by doing that -

http://www.aishealth.com/PressReleases/PR2007_0510.html


The salary and bonus paid to Cleve L. Killingsworth, chairman and chief executive of Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Massachusetts, increased 26 percent last year even though the health insurer&#039;s membership declined and its net income fell 49 percent.
http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2009/02/28/blue_cross_ceos_pay_rose_26/

Here&#039;s a list for what the CEOs at managed cares took home in salary, bonuses and unexercised stock options in 2000 -- Tens of millions:
http://www.managedcaremag.com/archives/0109/0109.compmon.html


This is a scandal and it needs to end.  Single-payer, universal health care is the way to go.  What&#039;s it going to take for citizens to stop putting up with this and take to the streets?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What Howard Dean, and Obama for that matter, are protecting is Corporate America and their big salaries and bonuses.  Employees for managed care get bonuses for denying claims.  Denying care.  </p>
<p>Look what they make by doing that -</p>
<p><a href="http://www.aishealth.com/PressReleases/PR2007_0510.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.aishealth.com/PressReleases/PR2007_0510.html</a></p>
<p>The salary and bonus paid to Cleve L. Killingsworth, chairman and chief executive of Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Massachusetts, increased 26 percent last year even though the health insurer&#8217;s membership declined and its net income fell 49 percent.<br />
<a href="http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2009/02/28/blue_cross_ceos_pay_rose_26/" rel="nofollow">http://www.boston.com/business/healthcare/articles/2009/02/28/blue_cross_ceos_pay_rose_26/</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a list for what the CEOs at managed cares took home in salary, bonuses and unexercised stock options in 2000 &#8212; Tens of millions:<br />
<a href="http://www.managedcaremag.com/archives/0109/0109.compmon.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.managedcaremag.com/archives/0109/0109.compmon.html</a></p>
<p>This is a scandal and it needs to end.  Single-payer, universal health care is the way to go.  What&#8217;s it going to take for citizens to stop putting up with this and take to the streets?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532511', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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