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		<title>By: forxy</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:42:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:25:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tracy__5 Says: 
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#307

“Why would anyone need to state the word “deterrent” itself , when they are talking about the limitations of the F-22?

You tell me consideing you obtusely tried to link the two by citing an article that says nothing about it.

“Check out my post above ; says a lot about all the (stupid and baseless) prattle you’ve been posting , eh dipshit ?”

It says nothing about deterring other countries airforces.

March 5th, 2009 at 1:14 am   &lt;/i&gt;

LOL........You&#039;re a joke.

A respected former maker of fighter jets talks of the ineffectiveness of the F-22 , which you stupidly and without qualification , claim is a &quot;deterrant&quot; , when it obviously isn&#039;t viewed that way by someone with wayyyy more knowledge and experience than your pathetic rube ass on the subject ; and you&#039;re trying to argue that because he didn&#039;t use the specific word &quot;deterrant&quot; , nor touch upon that specific subject , that is grounds for &quot;proving&quot; you corrrect.

That is laughable on its face alone , let alone all the time (and lies) in your posts that you&#039;ve wasted on it.

Hey retarded Wright Brother ; you believe an unseen and unused aircraft is going to intimidate anyone ?

LOL.......Yeah , keep posting on your knowledge of &quot;military matters&quot; , stupid shit .............</description>
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<p>#307</p>
<p>“Why would anyone need to state the word “deterrent” itself , when they are talking about the limitations of the F-22?</p>
<p>You tell me consideing you obtusely tried to link the two by citing an article that says nothing about it.</p>
<p>“Check out my post above ; says a lot about all the (stupid and baseless) prattle you’ve been posting , eh dipshit ?”</p>
<p>It says nothing about deterring other countries airforces.</p>
<p>March 5th, 2009 at 1:14 am   </i></p>
<p>LOL&#8230;&#8230;..You&#8217;re a joke.</p>
<p>A respected former maker of fighter jets talks of the ineffectiveness of the F-22 , which you stupidly and without qualification , claim is a &#8220;deterrant&#8221; , when it obviously isn&#8217;t viewed that way by someone with wayyyy more knowledge and experience than your pathetic rube ass on the subject ; and you&#8217;re trying to argue that because he didn&#8217;t use the specific word &#8220;deterrant&#8221; , nor touch upon that specific subject , that is grounds for &#8220;proving&#8221; you corrrect.</p>
<p>That is laughable on its face alone , let alone all the time (and lies) in your posts that you&#8217;ve wasted on it.</p>
<p>Hey retarded Wright Brother ; you believe an unseen and unused aircraft is going to intimidate anyone ?</p>
<p>LOL&#8230;&#8230;.Yeah , keep posting on your knowledge of &#8220;military matters&#8221; , stupid shit &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532852', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: OutstandingInMyField</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/f22-debate/comment-page-7/#comment-5532823</link>
		<dc:creator>OutstandingInMyField</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Which is why I brought it up considering the F-22’s radar system is better than anything carried on an F-15 or F-16.

Well that&#039;s cool, but I&#039;d like to know more. I was unaware that fighters used radar for much more than target aquisition. And while I&#039;m more familiar with passive than active detection, I don&#039;t see how a phased array radar would significantly improve a fighter&#039;s performance unless it was a missile to missile intercept. Your brother&#039;s AWACS is supposed to handle the threat eval, not the fighter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Which is why I brought it up considering the F-22’s radar system is better than anything carried on an F-15 or F-16.</p>
<p>Well that&#8217;s cool, but I&#8217;d like to know more. I was unaware that fighters used radar for much more than target aquisition. And while I&#8217;m more familiar with passive than active detection, I don&#8217;t see how a phased array radar would significantly improve a fighter&#8217;s performance unless it was a missile to missile intercept. Your brother&#8217;s AWACS is supposed to handle the threat eval, not the fighter.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532823', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tracy__5 Says: 
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#299

“doesn’t it stand to reason that they don’t view the F-22 as any type of equal”

Yeah, but the pilot I cited says these two are basically are full of crap.

“Your pilot never claimed the F-22 was a DETERRENT , you uncomprehending rube”

So what? I never claimed that he did and neither did Sprey, but you cited his article as a rebuttal even though YOU admitted it.

March 5th, 2009 at 1:04 am   &lt;/i&gt;


Why would anyone need to state the word &quot;deterrent&quot; itself , when they are talking about the limitations of the F-22 ; much less not comparing it favorably to an F-16 , nitwit ?

BTW

Check out my post above ; says a lot about all the (stupid and baseless) prattle you&#039;ve been posting , eh dipshit ?</description>
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<p>#299</p>
<p>“doesn’t it stand to reason that they don’t view the F-22 as any type of equal”</p>
<p>Yeah, but the pilot I cited says these two are basically are full of crap.</p>
<p>“Your pilot never claimed the F-22 was a DETERRENT , you uncomprehending rube”</p>
<p>So what? I never claimed that he did and neither did Sprey, but you cited his article as a rebuttal even though YOU admitted it.</p>
<p>March 5th, 2009 at 1:04 am   </i></p>
<p>Why would anyone need to state the word &#8220;deterrent&#8221; itself , when they are talking about the limitations of the F-22 ; much less not comparing it favorably to an F-16 , nitwit ?</p>
<p>BTW</p>
<p>Check out my post above ; says a lot about all the (stupid and baseless) prattle you&#8217;ve been posting , eh dipshit ?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532806', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/f22-debate/comment-page-7/#comment-5532797</link>
		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 06:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tracy__5 Says: 
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#297

“post where Captain Lohmiller EVER STATED THE F-22 IS A DETERRENT”

Again for the 5th time my deterrant claim has nothing to do with your Sprey article. You ADMITTED this here… 

“Where does it read that either of them claim that the F-22 is indeed a D E T E R R E N T ; especially seeing as how they’re basically bad-mouthing/criticizing it ?”

The F-22 pilot’s testimony was presented to refute what the Sprey article claim that the F-22 is an ineffective fighter.

“And how does Banks repeating a White House press release make his statement credible”

If you want to tell the man he’s a liar I challenge you to e-mail or call him.

March 5th, 2009 at 12:58 am   &lt;/i&gt;


So much for your baseless (and stupid claim(s)) , jerkoff ......

U.S. jet fighters in Iraq also spend a significant amount of time performing what&#039;s called &quot;show of force&quot; missions, which are basically attempts to fly over insurgents and scare them away. With the exorbitant costs of modern jets and fuel, F-16s might be just a little too expensive to be used as scarecrows. (Although, at $100 million per plane, F-16s are relatively affordable compared to other platforms like the $350 million F-22 Raptor, which hasn&#039;t flown a single mission in Iraq or Afghanistan).


http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/policy/iraq/articles/091008_iraq_seeks_f16s/


Lots of &quot;deterrant&quot; there , huh rube ?</description>
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<p>#297</p>
<p>“post where Captain Lohmiller EVER STATED THE F-22 IS A DETERRENT”</p>
<p>Again for the 5th time my deterrant claim has nothing to do with your Sprey article. You ADMITTED this here… </p>
<p>“Where does it read that either of them claim that the F-22 is indeed a D E T E R R E N T ; especially seeing as how they’re basically bad-mouthing/criticizing it ?”</p>
<p>The F-22 pilot’s testimony was presented to refute what the Sprey article claim that the F-22 is an ineffective fighter.</p>
<p>“And how does Banks repeating a White House press release make his statement credible”</p>
<p>If you want to tell the man he’s a liar I challenge you to e-mail or call him.</p>
<p>March 5th, 2009 at 12:58 am   </i></p>
<p>So much for your baseless (and stupid claim(s)) , jerkoff &#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>U.S. jet fighters in Iraq also spend a significant amount of time performing what&#8217;s called &#8220;show of force&#8221; missions, which are basically attempts to fly over insurgents and scare them away. With the exorbitant costs of modern jets and fuel, F-16s might be just a little too expensive to be used as scarecrows. (Although, at $100 million per plane, F-16s are relatively affordable compared to other platforms like the $350 million F-22 Raptor, which hasn&#8217;t flown a single mission in Iraq or Afghanistan).</p>
<p><a href="http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/policy/iraq/articles/091008_iraq_seeks_f16s/" rel="nofollow">http://www.armscontrolcenter.org/policy/iraq/articles/091008_iraq_seeks_f16s/</a></p>
<p>Lots of &#8220;deterrant&#8221; there , huh rube ?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532797', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: OutstandingInMyField</title>
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		<dc:creator>OutstandingInMyField</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:51:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Never heard of this on a fighter, first use I know of is fast attack boats, AN/BQQ5.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Never heard of this on a fighter, first use I know of is fast attack boats, AN/BQQ5.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532753', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/f22-debate/comment-page-7/#comment-5532751</link>
		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;OutstandingInMyField Says: 
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Because the partisan GOP chickenshit coward has nothing else…..

Oh shoot, I was hoping for a hot discussion of beamforming..

March 5th, 2009 at 12:43 am   &lt;/i&gt; 


Don&#039;t look for Tracy the Magic Redneck Rube for any &quot;hot discussion&quot; ; he&#039;s a typical lying sack of GOP shit and a colossal imbecile , and not much else...........</description>
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<p>Because the partisan GOP chickenshit coward has nothing else…..</p>
<p>Oh shoot, I was hoping for a hot discussion of beamforming..</p>
<p>March 5th, 2009 at 12:43 am   </i> </p>
<p>Don&#8217;t look for Tracy the Magic Redneck Rube for any &#8220;hot discussion&#8221; ; he&#8217;s a typical lying sack of GOP shit and a colossal imbecile , and not much else&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532751', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/f22-debate/comment-page-6/#comment-5532746</link>
		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tracy__5 Says: 
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#290

“The article repeatedly had Sprey AND James P. Stevenson talking about the limitations and ineffectiveness of the F-22?

And it isn’t as if Sprey issued these conclusions of his a decade and a half ago , jerkoff ; and he is far more credible when it comes military fighters than the 2 bozos”

Again your Sprey article has nothing to do with the deterrant claim. You admitted it. BTW the F-22 pilot’s testimony I cite isn’t good enough for you but you would rather believe what a washed up old F-16 supporter says?

March 5th, 2009 at 12:42 am   &lt;/i&gt;


If Sprey and Stevenson both agreed upon the limitations of the F-22 and gave bigger props to the F-16 , which they also didn&#039;t claim was any type of deterrent , doesn&#039;t it stand to reason that they don&#039;t view the F-22 as any type of equal , much less a deterrent , nimrod ?

BTW

Your pilot never claimed the F-22 was a DETERRENT , you uncomprehending rube ...........</description>
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<p>#290</p>
<p>“The article repeatedly had Sprey AND James P. Stevenson talking about the limitations and ineffectiveness of the F-22?</p>
<p>And it isn’t as if Sprey issued these conclusions of his a decade and a half ago , jerkoff ; and he is far more credible when it comes military fighters than the 2 bozos”</p>
<p>Again your Sprey article has nothing to do with the deterrant claim. You admitted it. BTW the F-22 pilot’s testimony I cite isn’t good enough for you but you would rather believe what a washed up old F-16 supporter says?</p>
<p>March 5th, 2009 at 12:42 am   </i></p>
<p>If Sprey and Stevenson both agreed upon the limitations of the F-22 and gave bigger props to the F-16 , which they also didn&#8217;t claim was any type of deterrent , doesn&#8217;t it stand to reason that they don&#8217;t view the F-22 as any type of equal , much less a deterrent , nimrod ?</p>
<p>BTW</p>
<p>Your pilot never claimed the F-22 was a DETERRENT , you uncomprehending rube &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532746', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/f22-debate/comment-page-6/#comment-5532738</link>
		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:44:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tracy__5 Says: 
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#286

“You have posted not one pilot’s TESTIMONY that has actually PILOTED the F-22 ”

I still see that you aren’t reading because I posted this a long time ago…

http://www.norad.mil/News/2006/012306_b.html

“Captain Lohmiller said the F-22A’s sensors made a big difference.

“I felt I had a lot more situational awareness,” he said. “There’s a lot of stuff flying around up there. It’s easier to keep track of them in this jet. It’s all right at our fingertips.”

“I already posted the info on Col. Ronald Banks , and he has NEVER FLOWN an F-22 …….”

So what? A full bird colonel who has flown thousands of hours in various aircraft? How do that NOT make him an expert on military aircraft?

March 5th, 2009 at 12:37 am   &lt;/i&gt;

And I still see that you&#039;re an absolute moron , in dire need of Hooked On Phonics ; post where Captain Lohmiller EVER STATED THE F-22 IS A DETERRENT , you colossal imbecile.

And how does Banks repeating a White House press release make his statement credible , dipshit ?</description>
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<p>#286</p>
<p>“You have posted not one pilot’s TESTIMONY that has actually PILOTED the F-22 ”</p>
<p>I still see that you aren’t reading because I posted this a long time ago…</p>
<p><a href="http://www.norad.mil/News/2006/012306_b.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.norad.mil/News/2006/012306_b.html</a></p>
<p>“Captain Lohmiller said the F-22A’s sensors made a big difference.</p>
<p>“I felt I had a lot more situational awareness,” he said. “There’s a lot of stuff flying around up there. It’s easier to keep track of them in this jet. It’s all right at our fingertips.”</p>
<p>“I already posted the info on Col. Ronald Banks , and he has NEVER FLOWN an F-22 …….”</p>
<p>So what? A full bird colonel who has flown thousands of hours in various aircraft? How do that NOT make him an expert on military aircraft?</p>
<p>March 5th, 2009 at 12:37 am   </i></p>
<p>And I still see that you&#8217;re an absolute moron , in dire need of Hooked On Phonics ; post where Captain Lohmiller EVER STATED THE F-22 IS A DETERRENT , you colossal imbecile.</p>
<p>And how does Banks repeating a White House press release make his statement credible , dipshit ?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532738', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: OutstandingInMyField</title>
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		<dc:creator>OutstandingInMyField</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:43:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Because the partisan GOP chickenshit coward has nothing else…..

Oh shoot, I was hoping for a hot discussion of beamforming..</description>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;OutstandingInMyField Says: 
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Why would anyone bring up phased arrays in an attempt to justify a particular platform? It’s been around since the 70’s.

March 5th, 2009 at 12:34 am   &lt;/i&gt;

Because the partisan GOP chickenshit coward has nothing else.....</description>
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<p>Why would anyone bring up phased arrays in an attempt to justify a particular platform? It’s been around since the 70’s.</p>
<p>March 5th, 2009 at 12:34 am   </i></p>
<p>Because the partisan GOP chickenshit coward has nothing else&#8230;..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532724', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: OutstandingInMyField</title>
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		<dc:creator>OutstandingInMyField</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would anyone bring up phased arrays in an attempt to justify a particular platform? It&#039;s been around since the 70&#039;s.</description>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/f22-debate/comment-page-6/#comment-5532713</link>
		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tracy__5 Says: 
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#284

“Looking up a particular definition doesn’t prove you’re more knowledgeable on military matters”

When it comes to what you don’t know…it puts another nail in your coffin.

Cite what you actually know for once.

March 5th, 2009 at 12:26 am   &lt;/i&gt;


You didn&#039;t know it either , you dummy ; looking shit up and copying and pasting doesn&#039;t mean you &quot;know something&quot; , you ignorant twit.

And pansy Tracy ; the only &quot;lid&quot; being nailed shut is your own , especially after being shown repeatedly you have lied , and insisting otherwise.

Not to mention the other insipid and stupid piss you&#039;re posting along with it.........</description>
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<p>#284</p>
<p>“Looking up a particular definition doesn’t prove you’re more knowledgeable on military matters”</p>
<p>When it comes to what you don’t know…it puts another nail in your coffin.</p>
<p>Cite what you actually know for once.</p>
<p>March 5th, 2009 at 12:26 am   </i></p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t know it either , you dummy ; looking shit up and copying and pasting doesn&#8217;t mean you &#8220;know something&#8221; , you ignorant twit.</p>
<p>And pansy Tracy ; the only &#8220;lid&#8221; being nailed shut is your own , especially after being shown repeatedly you have lied , and insisting otherwise.</p>
<p>Not to mention the other insipid and stupid piss you&#8217;re posting along with it&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532713', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/f22-debate/comment-page-6/#comment-5532709</link>
		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:28:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tracy__5 Says: 
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#283

“How many missions did Dr. Rebecca Grant or Loren B Thompson ever fly , jackass ?”

How is that relevant? Again you cited Sprey as as a rebuttal to my claim about the F-22 being a deterrant and the article you cite said nothing about it.

And Sprey doesn’t work nor ever did for a partisan propogandist company , you sorry little rube………”

So what? This old man is a relic of the 1980s that is no longer relevant in today’s modern military circles.

March 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am   &lt;/i&gt;


The article repeatedly had Sprey AND James P. Stevenson talking about the limitations and ineffectiveness of the F-22 ; that kind of indicates to those with brains that it isn&#039;t as wonderful as you are stupidly trying to claim , much less a &quot;deterrant&quot; to anything , you stupid shit .

And it isn&#039;t as if Sprey issued these conclusions of his a decade and a half ago , jerkoff ; and he is far more credible when it comes military fighters than the 2 bozos you&#039;re laughably attempting to present as &quot;proof&quot; for your ridiculously stupid claim ..........

God , you&#039;re a moron.</description>
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<p>#283</p>
<p>“How many missions did Dr. Rebecca Grant or Loren B Thompson ever fly , jackass ?”</p>
<p>How is that relevant? Again you cited Sprey as as a rebuttal to my claim about the F-22 being a deterrant and the article you cite said nothing about it.</p>
<p>And Sprey doesn’t work nor ever did for a partisan propogandist company , you sorry little rube………”</p>
<p>So what? This old man is a relic of the 1980s that is no longer relevant in today’s modern military circles.</p>
<p>March 5th, 2009 at 12:23 am   </i></p>
<p>The article repeatedly had Sprey AND James P. Stevenson talking about the limitations and ineffectiveness of the F-22 ; that kind of indicates to those with brains that it isn&#8217;t as wonderful as you are stupidly trying to claim , much less a &#8220;deterrant&#8221; to anything , you stupid shit .</p>
<p>And it isn&#8217;t as if Sprey issued these conclusions of his a decade and a half ago , jerkoff ; and he is far more credible when it comes military fighters than the 2 bozos you&#8217;re laughably attempting to present as &#8220;proof&#8221; for your ridiculously stupid claim &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>God , you&#8217;re a moron.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532709', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: neoconsrscum</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A gas hog, built for a threat that will never exist, to make a bunch of greedy pigs rich and feed the egos of a bunch of overgrown children (fighter pilots)
The noisiest aircraft I&#039;ve ever heard, and that&#039;s just taxiing.</description>
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The noisiest aircraft I&#8217;ve ever heard, and that&#8217;s just taxiing.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532704', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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#282

“Dr. Rebecca Grant received a PhD in INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS ; yeah , that certainly qualifies her above Sprey , who designed and built fighters , doesn’t it ?”

Citing her a was never used as a rebuttal by me as to the claims made by Sprey. Pay attention. You tried to cite him as a rebuke about my claim that the F-22 is a deterrant. I used the testimony of real pilots that have flown BOTH the F-15 and the F-22 to debunk his OLD irrelevant ass.

March 5th, 2009 at 12:20 am   &lt;/i&gt;


LIAR

You have posted not one pilot&#039;s TESTIMONY that has actually PILOTED the F-22 , and that referred to it as a &quot;deterrant&quot; , you moron ..........

I already posted the info on Col. Ronald Banks , and he has NEVER FLOWN an F-22 .......

Keep lying and digging that hole , a-hole.........</description>
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<p>#282</p>
<p>“Dr. Rebecca Grant received a PhD in INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS ; yeah , that certainly qualifies her above Sprey , who designed and built fighters , doesn’t it ?”</p>
<p>Citing her a was never used as a rebuttal by me as to the claims made by Sprey. Pay attention. You tried to cite him as a rebuke about my claim that the F-22 is a deterrant. I used the testimony of real pilots that have flown BOTH the F-15 and the F-22 to debunk his OLD irrelevant ass.</p>
<p>March 5th, 2009 at 12:20 am   </i></p>
<p>LIAR</p>
<p>You have posted not one pilot&#8217;s TESTIMONY that has actually PILOTED the F-22 , and that referred to it as a &#8220;deterrant&#8221; , you moron &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>I already posted the info on Col. Ronald Banks , and he has NEVER FLOWN an F-22 &#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Keep lying and digging that hole , a-hole&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532703', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/f22-debate/comment-page-6/#comment-5532693</link>
		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Tracy__5 Says: 
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#277

“Like your LIE about possessing more knowledge on military matters previously”

I have prove that one. You didn’t even know what a phased array radar is and neither did Sprey apparently.

March 5th, 2009 at 12:05 am   &lt;/i&gt;


Looking up a particular definition doesn&#039;t prove you&#039;re more knowledgeable on military matters , stupid ass..

You&#039;ve proven that you&#039;re merely a useless , brainless little mouthpiece for the GOP and the military industry .</description>
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<p>#277</p>
<p>“Like your LIE about possessing more knowledge on military matters previously”</p>
<p>I have prove that one. You didn’t even know what a phased array radar is and neither did Sprey apparently.</p>
<p>March 5th, 2009 at 12:05 am   </i></p>
<p>Looking up a particular definition doesn&#8217;t prove you&#8217;re more knowledgeable on military matters , stupid ass..</p>
<p>You&#8217;ve proven that you&#8217;re merely a useless , brainless little mouthpiece for the GOP and the military industry .<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532693', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/04/f22-debate/comment-page-6/#comment-5532687</link>
		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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Again the users trump any old critic who has been “out of the loop” for the last 20 years.

http://www.military.com/ features/ 0,15240,109878,00.html

BTW was Sprey ever an actual fighter pilot?

March 5th, 2009 at 12:03 am   &lt;/i&gt;


How many missions did Dr. Rebecca Grant or Loren B Thompson ever fly , jackass ?

How many fighters did they ever even BUILD ?

And Sprey doesn&#039;t work nor ever did for a partisan propogandist company , you sorry little rube.........</description>
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<p>Again the users trump any old critic who has been “out of the loop” for the last 20 years.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.military.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.military.com/</a> features/ 0,15240,109878,00.html</p>
<p>BTW was Sprey ever an actual fighter pilot?</p>
<p>March 5th, 2009 at 12:03 am   </i></p>
<p>How many missions did Dr. Rebecca Grant or Loren B Thompson ever fly , jackass ?</p>
<p>How many fighters did they ever even BUILD ?</p>
<p>And Sprey doesn&#8217;t work nor ever did for a partisan propogandist company , you sorry little rube&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532687', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 05:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh BTW Tracy (you big pansy)

Know what the &quot;expert&quot; you are attempting to tout&#039;s PhD is in ?

Dr. Rebecca Grant received a PhD in INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS ; yeah , that certainly qualifies her above Sprey , who designed and built fighters , doesn&#039;t it ?

Stupid little rube .......</description>
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<p>Know what the &#8220;expert&#8221; you are attempting to tout&#8217;s PhD is in ?</p>
<p>Dr. Rebecca Grant received a PhD in INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS ; yeah , that certainly qualifies her above Sprey , who designed and built fighters , doesn&#8217;t it ?</p>
<p>Stupid little rube &#8230;&#8230;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532683', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MCMetal</title>
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		<dc:creator>MCMetal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 04:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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#273

“And just because you claim a partisan hack who was PAID to provide a slanted opinion makes her credible”

Where is your real evidence that her opinion is slanted when you don’t know anything about military aircraft? Cite a link that refutes her knowledge or creditability in the aerospace field.

BTW the two authors you cite had absolutely nothing to do with the design of the F-22 or the F-35 and Sprey has been recording music for the last 20 years.

March 4th, 2009 at 11:49 pm   &lt;/i&gt;

Hey moron

Are &quot;scientists&quot; who work for the oil companies looked upon with credibility when they give their assessments on the impact the oil industry has on the enviroment ?

And I mean by intelligent people , not ignorant , moronic , gullible GOP rubes like yourself.

WHO SHE WORKS FOR AND WITH , disqualifies her immediately ; get a clue , and stop with the same stupid type of (non)reasoning you have tried to use here regarding the horseshit Chimpy administration...........</description>
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<p>#273</p>
<p>“And just because you claim a partisan hack who was PAID to provide a slanted opinion makes her credible”</p>
<p>Where is your real evidence that her opinion is slanted when you don’t know anything about military aircraft? Cite a link that refutes her knowledge or creditability in the aerospace field.</p>
<p>BTW the two authors you cite had absolutely nothing to do with the design of the F-22 or the F-35 and Sprey has been recording music for the last 20 years.</p>
<p>March 4th, 2009 at 11:49 pm   </i></p>
<p>Hey moron</p>
<p>Are &#8220;scientists&#8221; who work for the oil companies looked upon with credibility when they give their assessments on the impact the oil industry has on the enviroment ?</p>
<p>And I mean by intelligent people , not ignorant , moronic , gullible GOP rubes like yourself.</p>
<p>WHO SHE WORKS FOR AND WITH , disqualifies her immediately ; get a clue , and stop with the same stupid type of (non)reasoning you have tried to use here regarding the horseshit Chimpy administration&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5532653', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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