Graham criticizes Obama for earmarks, but defends his own.
Graham criticizes Obama for earmarks, but defends his own.
On Meet the Press this morning, Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) urged President Obama to veto the $410 billion FY09 omnibus budget because it has too many earmarks. Host David Gregory quickly pointed out that Graham’s friend and colleague, John McCain, has been highlighting Graham’s own $950,000 earmark for a convention center in Myrtle Beach, SC. Graham then pivoted from attacking earmarks to defending them:
“I voted to take all earmarks out, but I will come back in the new process and put that back in,” Graham insisted, saying that the convention center is important to stimulate the local economy. “I think I should have the ability as a United States senator to direct money back to my state as long as it’s transparent and it makes sense.”
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Congress is expected to approve the omnibus appropriations bill this week.
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Determining earmark from stimulus seems sort of akin to determining terrorist from freedom fighter
March 8th, 2009 at 8:07 pmWill You Help Me With My Next Film? …a request from Michael Moore
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March 8th, 2009 at 8:15 pmLittle Miss Lindsey seems a little mixed up at times.
March 8th, 2009 at 8:18 pmMiss Graham knows his State is suffering while he plays politics. All his corrupt plans went South when McCain lost. As Miss Graham watches other Republican Law Makers go lower in the polls for the 2010 election Graham is back tracking to bring money home. As he say no to the Stimulus he wants the money, as he says no to Pork the wants it for his State. Miss Graham might have to start looking for a real job or apply for one of the Stimulus jobs offered.
March 8th, 2009 at 8:20 pmGraham said on the show that Obama is raising taxes in the middle of a recession. This is not true and it has been debunked several times. About two years from now, taxes will be raised. Yet neither David Gregory nor Sen. Schumer said anything. Why are Republicans ALWAYS allowed to tell lies on such shows?
March 8th, 2009 at 8:22 pmOn the same show, Erin Burnett (CNBC) said:
“Half of Americans own stock so it is painful for everyone.”
You would have to be living in Wonderland for such a sentence to be true. You can say it is painful for everyone because of job losses, high unemployment, no benefits, unaffordable healthcare, etc., but it is not painful for the 50% who own no stock for the price of stocks to go down. It is also not painful for someone who does not own a home for the price of homes to go down. It is actually good.
March 8th, 2009 at 8:29 pmThe drama queen is a hypocritical liar.
March 8th, 2009 at 8:31 pmGreed is CORE for the GOP!
Hatred is the core of the GOP. Hatred and racism are the threads that bind the Republican Party. Without hatred and racism, Rush Limbaugh and the Republican Party are nothing.
March 8th, 2009 at 8:32 pmRepublicans are only consistent when it comes to spin, because their reality is spin-based.
March 8th, 2009 at 8:34 pmMy God, the MSM just cannot quit those 2 (the pairing of McCain & Graham)! There they are again today …
March 8th, 2009 at 8:37 pm.
Of course IOKIYR…
… NO?
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March 8th, 2009 at 8:39 pmSo, using federal tax dollars to stimulate job creation is only good if it’s done by a republican for HIS constituents.
Now I understand.
March 8th, 2009 at 8:40 pmThe earmarks debate is a total distraction. We need more federal spending right now. Not less. Complaining about wasteful spending while the economy is tanking makes no sense, but then I guess that fits nicely with everything else Graham and McCain are babbling incoherently about.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/
March 8th, 2009 at 8:40 pmKeith Says:
On the same show, Erin Burnett (CNBC) said:
“Half of Americans own stock so it is painful for everyone.”
You would have to be living in Wonderland for such a sentence to be true.
i wondered about this…
not even when 401k’s and such are included?
i think, indirectly, there are more than expected, but not sure…
March 8th, 2009 at 8:43 pmI was for them before I was against them before I was for them before I was against them before I was for them before I was against them before I was for them before I was against them before I was for them before I was against them before I was for them before….
oh, heck: VOTE FOR ME! I BRING MONEY TO MY STATE!!!
And boo-hiss to those tax-and-spend liberal Democrats who create wasteful big-government pork-barrel projects to spread the wealth and take your hard-earned dollars and give them to someone else.
/snark
March 8th, 2009 at 8:46 pmKaty,
March 8th, 2009 at 8:49 pmActually, that was the correct figure about 9 years ago, but I think that more people have 401K’s since then and now it might be 40-45% who have no stocks.
Now they are concerned. I don’t trust the GOP at all. One minute they are for you, the next minute they are not.
They have no care for main street.
March 8th, 2009 at 8:55 pmI have to agree with HeyZeus on this one “Greed is the root of all evil”.
I have to admit that powerful Republicans are greedy. Maybe it’s a 50/50 mix of greed and hatred – the KKK, gun lobby, Nazis, anti-labor groups, weapons industry, anti-gay groups, anti-environment groups, anti-abortion groups, war mongers, racists, etc…
Greed and hatred are the threads that bind the Republican Party.
March 8th, 2009 at 8:59 pmHoly Crap! When a right wing whack job like Graham calls bank nationalization “prudent,” it has to be the only possible course of action.
In whose interest is Timothy Geithner acting by refusing to nationalize the biggest zombie banks?
March 8th, 2009 at 9:01 pmI voted to take earmarks out. OK – I take that he doesn’t like earmarks.
Then I’m going to put them back in.
HUH ????????????????????
At least Strom was consistent.
March 8th, 2009 at 9:06 pmGraham: “I think I should have the ability as a United States senator to direct money back to my state as long as it’s transparent and it makes sense.”
I completely agree with this.
The problem is that Republicans like Graham pretend that “earmark” is a synonym for “wasteful spending”, if it’s not their earmark they’re talking about.
And Danny Noonan hit the nail on the head when he said:
March 8th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
“Graham criticizes Obama for earmarks, but defends his own.”
Graham’s translation in plain English: I don’t like Obama’s policy on earmarks but gimme mines.
I agree with comment #24. This is nothing but a distraction by the GOP to confuse the public. On Face the Nation this morning, Boner said that gov’t needs to tighten their belt [of course, Boner doesn't want to debate with me that he had no problem accepting the automatic raise that he received along with the Congressional leaders this year in a heartbeat]and said that he and his GOP colleagues have a blueprint plan [which I haven't seen yet] to create twice as many jobs than Obama’s plan. Of course, he had no statistics nor blueprint plan in rebuttal to OMB director Peter Orszag. Orszag stated that Republicans have not come up with a viable alternative to the spending bill being prepared by Obama and Congressional Democrats.
Once again, Graham is just miffed because he simply will not get blank check or pet projects by this new President. So, distraction and distort info from the GOP about Obama’s policies is all that they have left. The eight years of free ride has come to an end.
March 8th, 2009 at 9:26 pmPork is good when its home fried
March 8th, 2009 at 9:29 pm@stewarjt Says:
Holy Crap! When a right wing whack job like Graham calls bank nationalization “prudent,” it has to be the only possible course of action.
In whose interest is Timothy Geithner acting by refusing to nationalize the biggest zombie banks?
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I put up some updates today in my “Dukes of Moral Hazard” blog post you might find interesting.
Still have a ways to go on that one, but for now scroll down to the updates.
March 8th, 2009 at 9:31 pmSo we all see how utterly partisan, and downright dishonest Graham is here, right?
So why are we listening to him on nationalizing the banks again?
March 8th, 2009 at 9:40 pmKeith, you said:
“You can say it is painful for everyone because of job losses, high unemployment, no benefits, unaffordable healthcare, etc., but it is not painful for the 50% who own no stock for the price of stocks to go down.”
Well, I don’t have any stock, I have my own business, and with the ceasation of orders due to the collapse of the stock market it’s been quite painfull.
Don’t job losses, high unemployment, lack of benefiets (years ago I closed my 401k when it lost 40%), unaffordable healthcare (as a small business owner I can’t afford any), count at least as somewhat painful for the entire nation?
March 8th, 2009 at 9:43 pm@WAYNEBRO -
I think perhaps the extent of the financial system insolvency may finally be starting to sink in through some of these thick skulls.
March 8th, 2009 at 9:44 pmSo it is “pork” if it is democratic and stimulus if it a Republican…Now I get it.
March 8th, 2009 at 9:47 pmActually, if Miss Graham is saying to Nationalize the banks that means that the principles of the bank have been paid out, and now what is left is nothing but debt and a shell. No wonder it is a zombie bank. Graham and his greedy wall st/europena bank counterparts ahve sucked everything dry.
Do you realize that the current estimate is that the Credit Default Swap debacle is estimated at 160 TRILLION FUKING DOLLARS!!!!! No mistake 160. Kiss EVERYHINT GOODBYE. Pick up the pitchfork and stab the nearest fuking banker you can find.
March 8th, 2009 at 9:53 pmREPUBLICANS ARE SELFISH BASTARDS DETERMINED TO DESTROY AMERICA.
VIVA THE TALIBAN!
March 8th, 2009 at 10:03 pmRich H Says Don’t job losses, high unemployment, lack of benefiets (years ago I closed my 401k when it lost 40%), unaffordable healthcare (as a small business owner I can’t afford any), count at least as somewhat painful for the entire nation?
It is very painful for the entire nation. I thought I said it very plainly. Should have added low wages. How does the fall of stock prices mean the cessation of orders for you? (Not saying it doesn’t)
March 8th, 2009 at 10:08 pmGraham has to realize that much of the earmark money has already been spent and can’t be taken out because the continuing resolution he voted for some time back had it in. That is why Obama treated this bill in that manner, saying that next years bill will be different. So, why didn’t MSM ask Graham about the money that had already been spent? Not doing their job again, obviously.
March 8th, 2009 at 10:08 pmLindsay Graham has shown us one consistent personality defect: HYPOCRISY.
Graham’s cred is shot now. Maybe we should all begin sending flip flops to his Senate office?
March 8th, 2009 at 10:12 pmWell its growing worse because we’re dragging our feet.
Lindsey Graham and James Baker are calling for President Obama to nationalize the banks. Why? Because they want to solidify their portrait of him as a socialist.
Because they want to say that it was on his watch, a democrats watch, the day that capitalism died.
So I’m confused as to why we’re listening to them.
Nationalizing the banks BEFORE we even TRY what’s worked before is nonsense, and designed to do one thing and one thing only.
Permit the republicans to complete their image of President Obama as a socialist.
In October 2007 three men that worked for different parties and different Presidents, Paul Volker, Eugene Ludwig and Nicolas Brady wrote an article entitled “RESURRECT THE RESOLUTION TRUST CORPORATION”, calling on President Bush to use the successful tactics employed by Bush 1 to deal with the Savings and Loans crisis of the 80’s.
Mr. Brady was U.S. Treasury secretary from 1988-1993. Mr. Ludwig was U.S. comptroller of the currency from 1993 to 1998. Mr. Volcker was chairman of the Federal Reserve from 1979-1987. These men are not amateurs and in the article they called on Bush 2 to bring back the RTC to do the same thing it did before.
1. Liquidate failed assets
2. Redistribute the residual wealth
3. Inject massive amounts of capital into healthier institutions.
4. Impose federal oversight over the salvaged institutions to ensure proper use of federal funds for LENDING.
The RTC was effective, and it stabilized the economy and put America back on a forward moving track. And it did this BEFORE the tech boom of the 90’s, which came in on the heels of the RTC, and took the economy off to heights never anticipated.
If Nationalization was the ONLY option, then fine.
But its not. Not when we haven’t even tried what worked before.
Bring back the Resolution Trust Corp, or a similar entity and that will do the same thing as nationalizing the banks WITHOUT needing to nationalize the banks.
March 8th, 2009 at 10:12 pmThe american taliban: Today’s GOP (self-proclaimed, BTW). Who was the genius who “outed” them?
March 8th, 2009 at 10:14 pmBring back the RESOLUTION TRUST CORPORATION and save our way of life!
March 8th, 2009 at 10:14 pmFunny how the wingnuts screamed about flip-flopping. Now we know what to call it when they do it.
March 8th, 2009 at 10:22 pmKeith,
We supply resins and other material to manufacturers. After the stock market crashed we had no orders for about a month and a half. Then we picked up slightly. Now we’re back to about 12 containers of material a month. Not so bad, but just barely enough to keep our doors open.
March 8th, 2009 at 10:26 pmWhat was bad thirty seconds ago is now good. He4’s flip-flopping like a crappie on the bottom of a row boat.
March 8th, 2009 at 10:28 pmShorter Graham: Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain… I am the might Oz!
March 8th, 2009 at 10:32 pmThe republicans probably wouldn’t be so quick to offer advice if they were compelled, by congressional resolution, to preface their advice/opinions with the legitimate preamble: “The way you should fix our 8-year screwup, is….”
March 8th, 2009 at 10:38 pmWell, flip flopping is based on an inaccurate assumption here.
It presumes that Graham is following a call from the LEFT on nationalizing the banks.
But last I checked, President Obama is still a democrat, and the leader of the democratic party and the country at the moment. And HE’S not calling for nationalization.
Because he knows why Graham, Baker and others are calling for it.
To get him to end capitalism on a democrats watch. So they can complete their portrait of him as a socialist.
We’ve handled crisis like this before, and we didn’t need to nationalize the banking system. If we bring back the Resolution Trust Corporation, we will do everything that nationalizing the banks would do, WITHOUT nationalizing the banks.
March 8th, 2009 at 10:46 pmWAYNEBRO:
Y’know, we’re not that dim, that you need to keep repeating this.
We understand the point, ok?
March 8th, 2009 at 10:53 pm@WAYNEBRO -
“If we bring back the Resolution Trust Corporation, we will do everything that nationalizing the banks would do, WITHOUT nationalizing the banks.”
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You might want to get past your own fixation with semantics. Per the Wiki.
Call it “nationalization,” or not. BFD. “United States Government-owned asset management company” and all that.
Calm down. No one — NO ONE — is talking about a permanent banking system takeover.
March 8th, 2009 at 11:13 pm“Don’t shit where you eat”
March 8th, 2009 at 11:24 pmClearly you don’t understand the difference.
This is not a semantics game, no matter how much those of you who don’t understand the difference want to make it.
And I don’t need a Wiki article on the RTC. I was a grown man in my 30’s back then and was well aware of the RTC and what it was.
Here. Let me see if I can once more explain the difference to you, between nationalizing the banks, and the RTC.
The RTC would ASSIST banks.
The RTC would NOT be a branch of the govt. It is a corporation.
And the government would own the RTC, NOT the BANKS.
The difference is clear. Nationalization means the government OWNS THE BANKS.
March 8th, 2009 at 11:26 pmBobbyG Says:
Calm down. No one — NO ONE — is talking about a permanent banking system takeover.
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Except for hysterical wingnutters trying to cause even more panic…
March 8th, 2009 at 11:28 pm@WAYNEBRO Says:
BobbyG Says:
Call it “nationalization,” or not. BFD. “United States Government-owned asset management company” and all that
Clearly you don’t understand the difference.
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Oh, no, I don’t “understand.” LOL.
Whatever, dude, You just go right on ahead. I’ll put my acumen up against yours any day.
March 8th, 2009 at 11:29 pmBobbyG Says:
That’s it. Try and paint me as a lunatic instead of understanding simple US history.
We don’t NEED to nationalize the banks.
Permanent, temporary or otherwise.
Get it?
The RESOLUTION TRUST CORPORATION is just another entity owned by the government to ASSIST the banks.
It is not the government OWNING the banks.
What do you think the FDIC is?
Do you call that “nationalizing the banks”?
Of course not. Because its not.
Neither is the RTC.
If you had to go to Wiki for an article on the RTC then clearly you don’t understand what it is and what it did.
The RTC is a corporation that ASSISTS the banks with liquidation, asset redistribution, capital injection AND oversight, etc.
It is a CORPORATION that will do for us EXACTLY what nationalization would do, WITHOUT nationalizing the banks.
March 8th, 2009 at 11:31 pmYea real smart. Speak in generalities and just dismiss me as some sort of hack, when you clearly don’t understand what the RTC is, or does.
That’s why you went to WIKI, and you STILL Didn’t understand.
As for your “acumen”, you’re here supporting the plans of Lindsey Graham and James Baker.
What’s that say about your “acumen”?
March 8th, 2009 at 11:32 pmHmmm…
Pop corn… check…
Cold beer… check…
Comfy chair… check…
Jes’ gonna sit back ‘n watch this one…
March 8th, 2009 at 11:37 pmThe RTC is nothing like nationalizing the banks.
It is a corporation just like the FDIC, FHLC, the RFC, etc.
These are government owned entities that ASSIST banks.
That’s a far cry from the government OWNING the banks.
Here you are opposing President Obama, supporting Lindsey Graham and James Baker, and calling for a nationalizing of the banking system, even if its only temporary.
The RTC is temporary too.
And it doesn’t require nationalization.
Something that is against our entire system of capitalization and something that would not only allow, but NECESSITATE the government monitoring every single nickel you spend and what you spend it on.
They wouldn’t need to “go to the banks” and “ask for your records”.
They’d have full access to them every minute of every day.
Its wrong. It goes against what it means to be an American and if you can’t understand that then just look at the fact that its what LINDSEY GRAHAM and JAMES BAKER wants to do.
If that doesn’t tell you something then I guess your acumen’s got the better of you.
March 8th, 2009 at 11:37 pmWhat’s funny is many people think these are “opinions”.
They’re not.
Its just a fact that a SEPARATE CORPORATION that ASSISTS banks, and the GOVERNMENT OWNING THE BANKS are two completely different things.
How you can explain that to someone who doesn’t get it, I do not know.
March 8th, 2009 at 11:40 pmRich H,
March 8th, 2009 at 11:41 pmI guess I am thinking of the credit crunch caused by financial institutions collapsing and the general stock market decline as two different things and was thinking small businesses struggling was caused by the former. They could be intertwined.
I guess I’m looking at stock market decline as a symptom of the problem and not the cause of the problem.
@WAYNEBRO
Have at it. Enjoy. I’m done.
March 8th, 2009 at 11:45 pmClearly.
But a minute ago you were putting your acumen up against mine, how’d you put it? Oh yea, ..any day.
Guess just not this day, huh?
March 8th, 2009 at 11:47 pmLook, I’m not trying to start arguments and I’m not going to be goaded into a tit for tat insult match. I’m just not able to sit back and say “sure…the RTC nationalized the banks”.
They didn’t.
This isn’t a game of semantics.
Its a question of doing what JAMES BAKER and LINDSEY GRAHAM want to do, or doing what WORKED BEFORE.
And what worked before was the Resolution Trust Corporation assisting the banks with liquidation, redistribution, capital injection and oversight, etc.
And if you want to call the RESOLUTION TRUST CORPORATION “nationalizing the banks”, then try putting that on a POLY SCI term paper some day, and see what grade you get.
Sure its government INVOLVEMENT in the banks.
But its not the government OWNING the banks.
There’s a clear and distinct difference there.
March 8th, 2009 at 11:51 pmJust more GOOPer(grand old obstructionist party),re-puke speak and it`s all HYPOCRISY.
March 8th, 2009 at 11:55 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
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Hmmm…
Pop corn… check…
Cold beer… check…
Comfy chair… check…
Jes’ gonna sit back ‘n watch this one…
and i`ll roll up a big fatty because the republiscum Channel is the best media outlet today….
March 9th, 2009 at 12:03 amWell Chris I’m not sure but if you’re calling “me” the “republicscum” then clearly you’ve smoked one too many.
Because I am supporting President Obama’s position.
And the side that I am arguing against, is supporting Lindsey Graham and James Baker’s position.
March 9th, 2009 at 12:12 amrepugs are so screwy and unnecessary. Prissy lindsey knows damn well the whole spending process is online. So what’s the problem missy? Don’t act like you are the first one to think of transparency, doughboy. nutty
He wants to spend the money on a convention center, a for profit commercial building. ROADHOG!
STFU
repugs huummmph
March 9th, 2009 at 12:23 amMarch 9th, 2009 at 12:37 am
If you don’t believe me, then believe them.
Believe our history.
And if that still doesn’t convince you then consider this.
George W Bush, rejected this plan.
March 9th, 2009 at 12:40 amThis is what was suggested to Mister Bush back then. It was even on the news that they were considering a vehicle like the RTC to inject capital and deal with failed institutions and assets, etc, and Bush rejected the idea.
He said, “nahhhh, I’ll just give them the money. They’ll know what to do with it.”
And we saw how that worked out.
This plan will in contrast ensure proper direction and usage of federal funds and provides a time proven reasoned approach to dealing with failed institutions and their assets.
And it does all that, WITHOUT the need for nationalizing the banks.
Nationalizing the banks just might create a panic, and cause a run on the markets and a run on the banks, as many Americans will not stand for a federal banking system and will likely either pull their funds out and move them to foreign owned banks or stuff it under their mattresses.
And Lindsey Graham and James Baker know this. And its what they want. Failure for President Obama. Remember the current right wing slogan, “We want him to fail”.
And that’s why we must not let them do it.
Fortunately President Obama sees this, and is holding firm, even in the face of critics on his own side accusing him of doing it for “purely political reasons”.
March 9th, 2009 at 12:54 amGuess it’s one thing to trust the government with 10,000 nuclear warheads, and another thing to trust them with a bank.
March 9th, 2009 at 1:39 amWho said we trusted them with the warheads?
Besides.
How much do you want to bet me that you haven’t been in here decrying domestic spying on telephone calls and bank accounts?
I know most people in here were. I was. Everyone was.
Now suddenly because we have a democrat in office its suddenly okey dokey with you?
March 9th, 2009 at 1:43 amI blame this on our school system. Its the removal of social studies and political science in our high school curriculum’s that has failed us.
If people were required to study this stuff in school, then everyone would remember the Resolution Trust Corporation, and what it was, and what it did, and how it worked, and no one would be saying “the only option is to nationalize the banks!”.
Because its nonsense.
The Resolution Trust Corporation is a proven method for dealing with this sort of crisis.
But everyone wants to reinvent the wheel.
And all I can assume is its because none of them know that we already invented one.
March 9th, 2009 at 1:47 amOT –
Wow. Steven Steiner (some big mouth yuck) was on jerry rivers “show” and just stated George Soros funded the legalization of maryjane.
Is the mj story true?
March 9th, 2009 at 1:47 amMany of you folks on here are a constant source of entertainment and laughter. It tickles me to come on here and read the angry, ultra-partisan comments. It might be different if there were even one person commenting that had a differing opinion upon which you could vent your seething hatred, but come on folks…we won! Obama is in the White House and we have control of both branches of the legislature. Posters like The Republicans Hate Facts make us an easy target for any intelligent person with a differing opinion. Here we are on our own uber-liberal website spewing hatred and pathological anger at…………no one? I prefer reading the few postings that actually have something to say and don’t just spout off with no hint of intelligence.
March 9th, 2009 at 1:51 amMeet the Press was once entertaining for conservatives but it’s really completely of no use now. Things have changed but MTP has not.
March 9th, 2009 at 1:53 amwiley Says:
Guess it’s one thing to trust the government with 10,000 nuclear warheads, and another thing to trust them with a bank.
Good F-n point, mate. That putting it in prospective.
repugs’ knew their financial meltdown was coming when, let me word this straight, when oil was/is traded using others currency rates instead of US rates. It went something like that. The name began with a “B.” I’m drawing a blank right now. Damn now I’m going to think about it all day. :)
March 9th, 2009 at 1:58 amWAYNEBRO Says:
Now suddenly because we have a democrat in office its suddenly okey dokey with you?
For one thing we know for a fact repugs did illegal spied on Everybody, which can include reporters, journalist, hospitals, Quakers, bread crumbs and so on. The so on point is my worry.
What is President Obama’s disposition?
March 9th, 2009 at 2:06 amYou make some good points. We won the elections with the help of these people though so we owe them our respect, but you are correct in the issues with partisanship simply blinding us.
Some people on the left are calling for nationalization, but the loudest voices are coming from the right. And its clear why. They want the President to fail. They’re trying to “buffalo” him into doing something overreaching and foolish so they can win back some seats and the White House.
In fact the “concern trolls” are out in force, calling for nationalization so as to convince the left to pressure the President and get him to cave.
Fortunately, President Obama appears to be smarter than they are, and like Hoover, FDR, Reagan, and Bush 1, he’s telling them to stick it. President Obama knows we’ve been here before. He’s not just making speeches.
We’ve been here before and each time we got out by creating a professional federally owned corporation to manage the liquidation of failed institutions and the redistribution of assets, as well as injection and oversight of capital.
So if we’ve been here before, and we know the way out, then why on earth are we talking nonsense about nationalizing the banks?
The Presidents been in office for less than two lousy months and we’re already ignoring his ideas and going with Lindsey GRAHAM?
James BAKER???
I think we owe this President a little more of our support than that.
March 9th, 2009 at 2:08 amRight. And that bothered you right?
So now you want to GIVE them FULL access?
Don’t you understand that what we are talking means they won’t HAVE TO SPY.
You don’t have to “SPY” on that which you OWN.
March 9th, 2009 at 2:11 amstabbedbygrace Says
Posters like The Republicans Hate Facts make us an easy target for any intelligent person with a differing opinion. Here we are on our own uber-liberal website spewing hatred and pathological anger at…………no one? I prefer reading the few postings that actually have something to say and don’t just spout off with no hint of intelligence.
March 9th, 2009 at 2:14 am
Lindsey Graham and David Gregory ………..
The show should be renamed “Meet the Mess”
March 9th, 2009 at 2:16 amMTP is only better because they have repugs looking like total asses. HAHAHAHAHA
davy is wishy-washy and a little strange.
plucked-eyebrows lindsey is talking about not raising taxes on the rich, he/repugs disguise his lie by calling it “not raising taxes” as if everybody tax will be raised.
repugs are complaining that President Obama’s policies aren’t working. GTFOOH
March 9th, 2009 at 2:18 amAnd so are you.
President Obama’s policy is opposed to nationalizing the banks.
You’re saying that policy isn’t working.
March 9th, 2009 at 2:22 amWAYNEBRO
I’m a little cynical, I know.
I have a theory. Answer this: What if our government wants to know the full extent of chimpy’s illegal spying and God know what illegal activities. Our brand new government needs to following the lines. If spying becomes illegal how would our government get the goods on repug’s illegal activities?
But you haven’t listed your source(s)/link(s) or President Obama’s disposition.
Before you get all huffy, wait more than a week or two before you start judge President Obama’s actions.
March 9th, 2009 at 2:35 amGame of Life Says:
So you’re saying you’re against domestic spying, ….but only when its done to democrats?
March 9th, 2009 at 2:37 amMCMetal Says:
Lindsey Graham and David Gregory ………..
The show should be renamed “Meet the Mess”
THHHHAAANNNKKK YYYYOOOOUUUU!
March 9th, 2009 at 2:38 amTry the evening news.
March 9th, 2009 at 2:41 amBetter yet, try your scroll button, and check the March 7th story here on TP. It was posted at 12:04 PM.
Here’s a quote from it.
March 9th, 2009 at 2:45 am
Its common knowledge.
Just like the fact that we don’t need to nationalize the banks in order to deal with liquidation and asset management, as well as oversight for injection of capital. We can do it the way we did it before.
With a vehicle like the Resolution Trust Corporation.
Why is that concept so difficult?
March 9th, 2009 at 2:47 amGiving money away will never work…Working and earning money works.
Look at stinky newt talking shit about how repugs would fix their mess. Funny thing they are trying to blame the dems.
mort zuckerman: Is saying President Obama is popular but lacks credibility… what a hot crock of leftover bullshyte. So now we need another poll to prove to the dull repugs that we believe President Obama’s has credibility.
After zuckerman started the “credibility” bs, newt started chiming in like a old dementia redundant fart.
Get use to it! President Obama is in a win/win sitution because he represents US.
March 9th, 2009 at 2:48 amDamn, newt/repugs don’t understand Mr. Gibbs rather cool joke. What idiots repugs are. The joke was fun-nee as hell, repugs. Why are you, repugs acting like you don’t understand the joke?
your repug club is a joke and repugs, YOU, crowned limpdic KING! Hell, limpydic put steely damn in his place too.
You are making your club sillier. Keep it up. limpydic is not our leader he’s your sick leader.
Mr. Gibbs joke is better than chimpy’s demonstrating, mocking peeping under the podium while smirking and asking his sickly questions, “Are they under here? Could they be here?” his ass were referring to his lie about “WMD” in Iraq. Afterward ignorant repugs enjoyed a really good laugh and a really good meal while our finest are sent to fight chimpy’s war.
AAAWWWWW STFU repugs…f-n crybabies. Grown the F up.
Not for one minute did I think Mr. Gibbs let alone President Obama was “targeting” you. Mr. Gibbs mentioned your useless name because repugs were/are kissing limpydic’s big old white infected ass. THAT’S ALL it was, no more, no less. NoBoDy wants to debate your stupid butt dizzy crazy butt. Seek help limpydic.
Don’t get the joke twisted. Maybe your hearing is going out again?
newt named your stupid ass leaders: mooseyak, boody, cantor, HAHAHAHAHA What the differece between limpydic and your leaders? NOTHING.
You will be gone with your lying, racist ratings.
Boycott limpydic advertisers:
March 9th, 2009 at 3:51 amWAYNEBRO Says:
Game of Life Says:
WAYNEBRO
I’m a little cynical, I know.
I have a theory. Answer this: What if our government wants to know the full extent of chimpy’s illegal spying and God know what illegal activities. Our brand new government needs to following the lines. If spying becomes illegal how would our government get the goods on repug’s illegal activities?
So you’re saying you’re against domestic spying, ….but only when its done to democrats?
I’m for following all the links, of course. You don’t know what chimpy left behind.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:18 amYou just got through defending domestic spying on republicans.
Now you’re saying “following the links”.
Backpedaling so soon?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:27 amDavid Gregory let Newt. get by with saying that Bush’s approval was the same as Obama’s at this point in their presidency- 58%.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:44 amBullsh:t; Obama is in the upper 60’s, and Bush never rose above 45% until after 9/11.
Don’t ya’ just love that liberal media?
I think I’ve figured out why Republicans are so wacky.
The portion of the human brain that governs self-criticism is missing or inactive in them. Sen. Graham can see someone else’s earmarks, but he literally can’t see his own. He probably doesn’t know his party is the laughing-stock of the known universe.
Republicans can’t perceive their own screw-ups. It’s a neurological disability. They should stay out of government.
The Great Republican Depression
March 9th, 2009 at 6:26 amGraham said on the show that Obama is raising taxes in the middle of a recession. This is not true and it has been debunked several times. About two years from now, taxes will be raised. Yet neither David Gregory nor Sen. Schumer said anything. Why are Republicans ALWAYS allowed to tell lies on such shows?
March 9th, 2009 at 6:34 amIn an eloquent example of of WORD SPEAK from the GOP’s finest, Senator Graham:
“I voted to take all earmarks out, but I will come back in the new process and put that back in,” Graham insisted, saying that the convention center is important to stimulate the local economy. “I think I should have the ability as a United States senator to direct money back to my state as long as it’s transparent and it makes sense.”
And a giant hell yeah from the grandiose senator from Florida, “Yes! Fry all that pork, but I will come back and put back in my cat thigh for a gigantic water park in my district . . . It’s transparent (water) and makes sense.”
March 9th, 2009 at 6:35 amAnd not to be out done, the esteemed senator for Arkansas bleets: Kill that pork, but next round, what I as a Senator for the Great State of Arkansas require for my citizens is a lunar eco-pod . . . yes, every “sou-wee” just ain’t complete without a transparent eco-pod, hell, we can deep fry turkeys and every lil’ razor back can learn to spell “moon rock.”
March 9th, 2009 at 6:42 amEarmarks are fine for republiCONS. Idiots.
March 9th, 2009 at 7:08 amWaynebro:
Yea real smart. Speak in generalities and just dismiss me as some sort of hack, when you clearly don’t understand what the RTC is, or does.
You’re doing a good job of that already. Please find a different tune, your Resolution Trust Blues is getting stale, with so many encores.
March 9th, 2009 at 8:33 amSort of like destroying the village in order to save it.
March 9th, 2009 at 8:53 amGraham insisted, saying that the convention center is important to stimulate the local economy.
Just what the village needs, another convention center….
March 9th, 2009 at 8:59 amso sad the roads and bridges are in such disrepair no one can get there…
Let me guess, the convention center will be called, “The Lindsey Graham Convention Center”.
March 9th, 2009 at 9:04 amThe silly earmarks make the news and late night comedy, but actually many earmarks are not so foolish when you look at them.
March 9th, 2009 at 9:35 amRepugs like to demonize earmarks as all foolishness and wasteful, but that is disingenuous.
Oh wait – when talking about repugs, the term disingenuous is redundant.
First of all its not a “tune”.
Its fact. History. And the fact that its “getting old” to you demonstrates your ignorance of it. Only someone who knew nothing about it would say that. History does not change, and it doesn’t “get old”. Its just history.
And the Resolution Trust Corporation, or a similar entity is how we do what nationalizing the banks would do WITHOUT nationalizing the banks.
Its US economic history, just like the FDIC, or the RFC.
The problem is, we have too many people now like you, who are not only ignorant about our history, but apathetic to it as well.
March 9th, 2009 at 7:26 pmWe have all these “voices” and no substance behind them. Just empty partisan rhetoric. That’s what gets the “recommends”.
But few want to actually talk about solutions and specifics. Most just want to rant and cheer on partisan group rhetoric. Its the partisanship that’s killing us. We’re so busy “troll hunting” and tossing one line barbs back and forth that real discussions and answers get drowned out. Have I posted on this a lot? Sure. Because no one else is. Everyone’s crying for nationalization when no one really understands what the hell they’re asking for and worse, without understanding what has WORKED BEFORE.
Its like we’re all stuck on stupid. Partisan stupid. And we won’t let the facts or reason, get in its way.
March 9th, 2009 at 7:31 pm