Beck: Stem-cell research will lead directly to the search for a new ‘master race.’
Beck: Stem-cell research will lead directly to the search for a new ‘master race.’
On his radio show today, conservative talker Glenn Beck commented on President Obama overturning the ban on federally funded stem-cell research. Beck argued that funding stem-cell research would lead directly to a search for a new “master race,” the revival of Eugenics, and the reincarnation of the Nazi’s “final solution.” Believing that Obama’s success as president would hasten the arrival of his conspiracy theory, Beck then declared, “I hope Barack Obama fails”:
BECK: So here you have Barack Obama going in and spending the money on embryonic stem cell research, and then some, fundamentally changing – remember, those great progressive doctors are the ones who brought us Eugenics. It was the progressive movement and it science. Let’s put science truly in her place. If evolution is right, why don’t we just help out evolution? That was the idea. And sane people agreed with it!
And it was from America. Progressive movement in America. Eugenics. In case you don’t know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person. …. The stuff that we are facing is absolutely frightening. So I guess I have to put my name on yes, I hope Barack Obama fails. But I just want his policies to fail; I want America to wake up.
Listen here:
In reality, of course, stem-cell research has nothing to do with the search for a “master race.” Rather, as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA) explained this morning, “Obama’s executive order is a huge win for the millions of people who suffer from spinal cord injuries, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, Multiple Sclerosis and many other illnesses.”
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Glen Beck’s organs are full with drugs and alcohol so he’s safe for a while. When the drugs stop working Beck will be glad Obama changed the policy. Beck should save his money and hope he gets the transplants he’ll need. This will help Beck’s body but his brain is finished it’s been fried.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:19 pmYet more shockingly stupid comments from Beck. I think that people that make such statements about science while talking out of their butt should not be allowed any further modern medical attention. Instead, the next time Beck goes to “the doctor”, it should consist of leeches and blood lettings. That should fix him right up.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:20 pmI can see why Beck is worried. If everyone in the future is really smart, who will listen to the Glenn Beck radio show?
March 9th, 2009 at 3:22 pmAnd it was from America. Progressive movement in America. Eugenics. In case you don’t know what Eugenics led us to: the Final Solution. A master race! A perfect person.
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If this Final Solution means an end to people like Glenn Beck, I’m all for it.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:23 pmDon’t worry, Glen.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:24 pmThe newly discovered master race fantasy will not include you or anyone like you.
Surely this guy Beck isn’t as loony as he appears to be. This must a a ruse, he just wants his name out there, and the more publicity he gets the better.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:25 pmScience is kind of scary for dullards like Beck and his audience.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:25 pmThank god the era of science-based legistlation made by people who can’t understand the internets is over….
March 9th, 2009 at 3:25 pmWhy does Beck hate Nancy Reagan so much?
Bleck seems like a copycat.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:26 pmLatter-Day Nazi Beck is worried about the threat of competition from BETTER master-races….
March 9th, 2009 at 3:26 pmhe should have to tell all the cancer patients that he thinks the potential cure for whats killing them could lead to the formation of a master race.
he should especially have to say this to the children who are dying and very promising research that could lead to a cure is being denied funds because of his (and the opinions of others like him) misconstrued perceptions of stem-cell research.
this is the first time i’ve ever seen stem-cell research and eugenics in the same sentence. maybe its because i see this and i think, wow it can cure diseases, it can create artificial human hearts that aren’t artificial in any way except that their man made… he see’s it through the lens of race? strange.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:29 pmDoes anyone know if, once Obama’s plan to turn the nation into a socialized nanny state where everyone has stem-cell evolved to human perfection we will finally be able to gay-marry our dogs? I’m fuzzy about that portion of our left-wing agenda.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:29 pmAnd this Master Race, these Perfect People will all fly around in black helicopters, take over the world and treat the rest of us like slaves, blah, blah, blah.
Fear-mongering, it’s all they’ve got.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:30 pmAnother reason why we need more research in genetic’s ….beck’s are inherated genes that need not be reproduced.Just like the bush’s, rove’s limbaughs, colter’s on and on..Help stamp out evil clean up the gene pool….Blessings
March 9th, 2009 at 3:31 pmIn order for there to be a NEW master race, one must be able to define the OLD master race.
Until Benn Gleck can do this, it’s all gibberish and nonsensical.
Well actually, anything said by Benn Gleck is gibberish and nonsensical.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:33 pmOMG! How stupid is this man? There is this wonderful guy who works across the hall from me. He has been in a wheelchair since a swimming accident in high school. If stem cell research even has the possibility of helping him to walk again, I say, wonderful!
Beck is not rational.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:33 pmBeck kicked off his new program with an interview of Sarah Palin, for god’s sake. Did anyone really expect him to improve from there?
March 9th, 2009 at 3:33 pmActually, Beck himself is closer to eugenics than stem cell science is — Beck proves what happens when you breed a Limbaugh with a Coulter. Scary stuff indeed…
March 9th, 2009 at 3:34 pmGlenn Beck has been reading way, way too many Marvel comic books while under the influence of LSD, which to the casually sane observer, obviously accounts for his pre-pubescent mad scientist hysterics.
Just saying . . .
March 9th, 2009 at 3:34 pmSandoz76 Says:
Does anyone know if, once Obama’s plan to turn the nation into a socialized nanny state where everyone has stem-cell evolved to human perfection we will finally be able to gay-marry our dogs? I’m fuzzy about that portion of our left-wing agenda.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
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Yes, but only if the dogs are secret Muslim anchor puppies collecting welfare checks from the national healthcare commune.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:35 pmPeople like Beck claim to be all about principles. Fine. Put your principles on the line and sign a statement saying that you and your family will refuse any and all treatments that result from stem cell research. Then pray for good health.
Otherwise, just STFU.
PEACE
March 9th, 2009 at 3:35 pmBeck’s just upset that the old self-proclaimed ‘master race,’ was voted out and now consists of drug-addicted whiners and bloviating, apoplectic extremists whose confessed sole mission, now, is to damage the democratic/Obama brand; at the expense of the entire country if need be. (via Americablog):
Republicans: “We’ll destroy the Country in order to save it….”
March 9th, 2009 at 3:35 pmEugenics = the Final Solution = Liberalism.
Makes perfect sense…to a retard
Does Beck have even a rudimentary understanding of political ideologies?
March 9th, 2009 at 3:35 pmCould someone please close Glenn Beck’s mouth…. he’s letting all the hot air out!
March 9th, 2009 at 3:35 pmbut not for beck.
what he has
can’t be cured by
stem cell research.
:(
March 9th, 2009 at 3:37 pmI hereby nominate Glenn Beck to be the first person to receive a brain implant. How hard could it be to replace a brain the size of a BB?
March 9th, 2009 at 3:39 pmOops. I meant transplant. My bad.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:40 pmIt would be poetic justice for anyone who is against the funding of embryonic stem cell research to be denied any medical treatment for themselves and their relatives that is/was discovered through that research.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:41 pmRoket Says:
I hereby nominate Glenn Beck to be the first person to receive a brain implant. How hard could it be to replace a brain the size of a BB?
March 9th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
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Do we even need to put another brain in it’s place? Just stuff the cranium with some old socks and grape jelly – it’ll work just as well.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:41 pmI would think Ol’ Glenn would be more careful about putting down progress in medical science.
Who else is going to help him get his fat head (getting fatter) out of his fat arse? (getting fatter)
Science!
March 9th, 2009 at 3:42 pm14. Sandoz76 Says: Does anyone know if, once Obama’s plan to turn the nation into a socialized nanny state where everyone has stem-cell evolved to human perfection we will finally be able to gay-marry our dogs? I’m fuzzy about that portion of our left-wing agenda.
Don’t fret over it, just let it wash over you like a warm genetically-modified, vegetable-oil chocolate mixed with hormone & antibiotic infused milk. Sleeeep…
When you awaken, you will be one of us……it doesn’t hurt and you get to keep the pod….
March 9th, 2009 at 3:43 pmThe proper, all-American way to create a master-race of physically perfect human specimens is through the free-market economics of gym subscriptions, ‘diets-of-the-stars’ and exercise devices not available in stores.
I thought everyone knew that!
March 9th, 2009 at 3:44 pmBeck, the Limbaugh wannabe, CNN reject, and put on Nazi should know about the master race. I’m waiting for this flunky to call himself the head of the republican party just like daddy Rush.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:45 pm… because that’s exactly what Mr. Beck would do, if he were a microbiologist.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:47 pmI suspect he came to that conclusion because it’s something he would do if he understood science.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:47 pm36. 5th Estate Says: The proper, all-American way to create a master-race of physically perfect human specimens is through the free-market economics of gym subscriptions, ‘diets-of-the-stars’ and exercise devices not available in stores.
The ‘Fountain of Youth’ is…..sweat.
Who knew?
March 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pmwolfsinger Says:
Science!
March 9th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
It’s poetry in motion!
March 9th, 2009 at 3:49 pmYou read my mind.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:50 pm42.hussein toasterhead Says:
wolfsinger Says:
Science!
It’s poetry in motion!
During bush, it was closer to just ‘Poe;’ Edgar Allen…
March 9th, 2009 at 3:53 pmSo I guess I have to put my name on yes, I hope Barack Obama fails.
Well join the club Beck! You’ll certainly not the only one. Hell you’ve got the ENTIRE GOP and Conservative movement behind you.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:53 pmBecks scared because anyone from his gene pool will be deemed obsolete.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:53 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
I’m disappointed Daryll hasn’t stopped by yet.
Oh, Dr. Matt, I’m just waiting for Daryll to come out of hiding after we demonstrated that he’s lying about his wife’s pregnancy. Haven’t heard a single peep from him since that day.
PEACE
March 9th, 2009 at 3:53 pm.
Dear Glen Beck,
So the Nazi’s were Americans?
.
March 9th, 2009 at 3:55 pmGood heavens, Miss Yakamoto, you’re Beautiful!
March 9th, 2009 at 3:55 pmPoetry in Motion!
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Dear Glen Beck,
The author of Mein Kampf was an American writer?
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March 9th, 2009 at 3:59 pmright, because we can all clearly see how possibly curing paraylasis is a close cousin to ethic cleansing.
apparently, this assclown didn’t get the memo from saint nancy raygun when she stood up in favor this this research.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:00 pmThis post was genetically engineered out of pure ‘WIN’.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:01 pmBlech just loves giving Colbert new material
March 9th, 2009 at 4:02 pmYou gotta hand it to Beck — he’s not one to allow sheer ignorance to get in the way of blather at full speed.
If we REALLY wanted to go the “master race” route, we don’t need stem cells to do it. We have the technology to do that with embryo development at any fertility clinic. Just examine the genetic makeup of a number of embryos and select the ones with the best DNA for implantation. Presto — Gattica!
I won’t even get into the absurdity of progressive doctors = eugenics = master race = “final solution”.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:02 pm.
Dear Glen Beck,
Josef Mengele was a Liberal American scientist in a white lab coat?
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March 9th, 2009 at 4:03 pmIn reality, of course, stem-cell research has nothing to do with the search for a “master race.” Rather, as Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger (R-CA) explained this morning, “Obama’s executive order is a huge win for the millions of people who suffer from spinal cord injuries, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, Multiple Sclerosis and many other illnesses.”
Is CA governor simply being “forward thinking,” or is he simply practicing his salesmanship.
Of course some TPer could set bit straight by actually quoting some numbers about the outstanding results that have be achieved with embryonic stem cells. Or, are those outstanding, miraculous results still in the future?
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When Candidate John Edwards said this:
“If we do the work that we can do in this country, the work that we will do when John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve will get up out of that wheelchair and walk again”
Senator Dr. Frist said this:
“I find it opportunistic to use the death of someone like Christopher Reeve—I think it is shameful—in order to mislead the American people. We should be offering people hope, but neither physicians, scientists, public servants or trial lawyers like John Edwards should be offering hype. ”
“Frist Knocks Edwards Over Stem-cell Comment” (2004), CNN.com, [On-line], URL: http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/10/12/edwards.stem.cell/.
Is Governor Schwarzenegger (R-CA) giving false hope?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:03 pmSarcastic and outraged Beck: “If evolution is right, why don’t we just help out evolution?That was the idea. And sane people agreed with it! ”
I think Beck makes a strong case that evolution is bullshit–at least in his case.
Or maybe not… he’s adapted to the FOX environment very well and is not only surviving but thriving, on an individual basis as well.
I guess the real test will be whether he can successfully propagate his genes.
If he CAN then he will prove ‘liberal Darwinism’ which would be embarrassing as he doesn’t believe in it, and if he can’t then he’ll prove his own case by dying out….which will unfortunately ipso-facto prove evolution theory.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:03 pmYou know, I think TP has some real Snark Masters. Some of you have it down to an art!
I propose a Snark Fest.
Contestants will be judged by:
-Quickness of mind
-Humor/Wit
-Relevancy
All finalists will be placed in a cone of silence and each, one by one, given a comment to snark upon.
Audience applause will be taken into consideration by the Snark Judges.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:04 pmBeck wants humanity to stay imperfect..so they will listen to his inane tripe?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:04 pm.
Yep,
They just make it up as they go along…
… NO?
Ratings…
… It’s all about the ratings!
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March 9th, 2009 at 4:05 pmJesus was perfect. Why does Beck hate Jesus
March 9th, 2009 at 4:06 pmIt seems like only yesterday when conspiracy theories were the crazy ramblings of the ‘far left’. Now it seems you can’t be ‘conservative’ without some wild idea of the ’secret plan’.
I swear there has to be a tin-foil shortage from all the hats these crazies are wearing.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:08 pmThe religious right is getting in on the demagoguery too. Today Tony Perkins said
Which is, of course, a lie.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:08 pmthose who worship families who supported nazism (prescott bush) should avoid making nazi comparisons (beck)
March 9th, 2009 at 4:08 pmI have long wondered how ranters of Beck’s ilk remain on the Air. The core audience cannot be that large, so how would the advertisers be justifying the ad purchases? I think that those who buy into this HS are likely the easiest marks out there in radioland, the folks who answer the emails from Barrister Reginald in Nigeria, etc.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:09 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
I missed that exchange. What happened? Did you find out he was lying that he was married or that his “wife” was pregnant?
Daryll was once again announcing the “upcoming blessed event” at Casa de Rapture, and PLC totally owned him on what can only be called false witness. This thread, comment 70.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/03/hara-glad-doma/
It was a beautiful thing to behold, and he hasn’t been back since, but I’m sure he’s lurking!
PEACE
March 9th, 2009 at 4:10 pmBeck: Stem-cell research will lead directly to the search for a new ‘master race.’
Well, that would probably be an intelligent race, which means no more…
” Glenn Beck’s, or Hannity’s or Limpballs, Bill O’s, MAnn Coulter’s”…
…you know, the diseases of society.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:13 pmThe correct to beck and his ilk in matters like this should always be, “god must want it otherwise he wouldn’t have let us discover it. it’s part of his plan”
March 9th, 2009 at 4:14 pm*the correct response…
March 9th, 2009 at 4:14 pm“Beck: Stem-cell research will lead directly to the search for a new ‘master race.’”
No need to decipher this idiot’s comments. Beck wants attention. Pass the popcorn….
March 9th, 2009 at 4:16 pmI think the Creepublicans need more Haldol to make it thru the day on this planet.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:16 pmLike Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Bill-O, all Glenn Beck cares about is that people are mentioning his name. He doesn’t care about the what he says, veracity of it, or how he says it, he just wants people to pay attention. He’s an entertainer; his schtick is getting people fired up. As long as we are listening, watching, reading, blogging, or talking about him or reacting to what he says, he’s successful. If we could just summon the self-assurance in our beliefs and find the self-control to flat out ignore the bulletheaded bigoted blowhard, he’d just go away.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:16 pmWow. Never thought that curing spinal injuries, and nerve diseases would cause a “Master Race”.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:17 pmSo stem cells will now create the X-Men in Becks warped mind.
This could be skype/youtube gold
March 9th, 2009 at 4:20 pmwelcome to whacked out neoclown logic 101:
March 9th, 2009 at 4:21 pmstem cell research=bad
getting “healed” by some snake handling, speaking in tongues charlatan for 200 bucks at a tent revival= good
bitblt Says:
Of course some TPer could set bit straight by actually quoting some numbers about the outstanding results that have be achieved with embryonic stem cells. Or, are those outstanding, miraculous results still in the future?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
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Actually, these outstanding, miraculous results are in the present:
And
And
March 9th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
So the REICH will protect a fetus to hell and back but once your born your on your own…………stay tuned to the Republiscum channel for more breaking news from the Reich.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pmRead my lips glenn,
March 9th, 2009 at 4:22 pmIIIII ammmm yourrrr masterrrrr.
MrBrown Says:
Wow. Never thought that curing spinal injuries, and nerve diseases would cause a “Master Race”.
So stem cells will now create the X-Men in Becks warped mind.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
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Oooo! Oooo! I call dibs on adamantium endoskeleton!!
March 9th, 2009 at 4:25 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
Oooo! Oooo! I call dibs on adamantium endoskeleton!!
March 9th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
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On second thought, that stuff hurts. How about teleportation, like that gargoyle guy?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:26 pmThat’s fine, just keep your hands off of telekinesis. That’s all me baby. Bring on the stem cell milkshakes!
March 9th, 2009 at 4:28 pmIs Governor Schwarzenegger (R-CA) giving false hope?
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March 9th, 2009 at 4:28 pmNo I think the televangelists have that market cornered…
Gee, I thought listening to Beck without watching the ridiculous faces and guffaws would make it better.
I guessed wrong.
Again, Glenn–wanting Obama’s policies to fail is the same as wanting him to fail. Stop weaseling out of it.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:30 pmAh yes, the slippery slope. First they’ll use stem cells to cure cancer and the next thing you know paraplegics will be up and walking around. Can’t have that now, can we?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:30 pm/snark
Add Mr. KickADeadGuysChild to the list of traitors!
March 9th, 2009 at 4:31 pmI love it. no one responded to bitblt…..lets see if we can ignore him forever
March 9th, 2009 at 4:31 pmPurple State Says:
Again, Glenn–wanting Obama’s policies to fail is the same as wanting him to fail. Stop weaseling out of it.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
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And in this case, it’s the same as wanting people suffering from Parkinson’s disease, Lou Gehrig’s Disease, muscular dystrophy, stroke, spinal cord injuries, macula degeneration, and other diseases to fail.
This isn’t about putting partisan politics above the country, it’s about putting partisan politics above humanity.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:33 pmFred Says:
I love it. no one responded to bitblt…..lets see if we can ignore him forever
March 9th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
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I did, actually. I blinded him with science, you might say.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:34 pmkrazeeinjun Says:
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Glenn Beck has been reading way, way too many Marvel comic books while under the influence of LSD,
I think it’s the LDS that is fcking with his mind, not the LSD.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:35 pmPlease don’t tell us what this drug addicted alcoholic says. It is just non-sense for God’s sake. He is on FAUX!
March 9th, 2009 at 4:36 pmHA! I didn’t think my comment on X-Men would get that many responses. Different contest then;
What “Master Race” (super power) ability do you hope stem cells give you?
I’d take something useless and simple, like…flying.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:36 pmI should have refreshed before I posted but your reply was spot on ht.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:37 pmFortunately for us, Glenn Beck will in no way, shape or form be connected to the search for a Master Race.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:40 pmMrBrown Says:
Wow. Never thought that curing spinal injuries, and nerve diseases would cause a “Master Race”.
So stem cells will now create the X-Men in Becks warped mind.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Weren’t you paying attention to the prologue? Or was it the epilogue? Perhaps it was in both the prologue and the epilogue?
The X-men (X-persons) were the results of a particular manifestation of evolution called punctuated equilibrium(a theory attributed to the late Dr. Stephen Jay Gould), which is evolution working in intense spurts, so to speak, rather that working gradually. This explanation is clearly suggested in the first X-men movie.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:40 pmCan I call dibs on the Blue Fur and hanging upside down?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pmdeebaser – I like where you’re going with that! Very new millenium.
If we go with ‘traditional media’ (tv) we could see if Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert and hmmmm, let’s see, Rachel Maddow are available to judge.
YouTube or Skype would obviously have to work a little differently.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pmdbadass Says:
Is Governor Schwarzenegger (R-CA) giving false hope?
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No I think the televangelists have that market cornered…
March 9th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
If you can’t turn it OFF or change the channel, simply remove the power.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pmI can’t tell ypu how proud I am of my fellow TPers for ignoring the freak.
Thank You!!
March 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pmbit you know I don’t have tv.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:43 pmHadn’t realized that Beck was an LDS-er. Well, between his Holy Mormon Skivvies and David Vitter’s Adult Diapers, they’ve got the undergarment angle covered.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
bitblt Says:
If you can’t turn it OFF or change the channel, simply remove the power.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
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We’re way ahead of you there, bitblt. We’re working every day to remove the power that the megachurches and the televangelists have to corrupt the minds of our fellow Americans with hateful ideology.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:44 pmoops
March 9th, 2009 at 4:44 pmdbadass Says:
bit you know I don’t have tv.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
You’re receiving televangelists without a tv?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:48 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
bitblt Says:
If you can’t turn it OFF or change the channel, simply remove the power.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
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We’re way ahead of you there, bitblt. We’re working every day to remove the power that the megachurches and the televangelists have to corrupt the minds of our fellow Americans with hateful ideology.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
bit reads this as intent to deny First Amendment rights to some citizens of the U.S.
Is this what you meant?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:49 pmAs soon as some doctor shows that stem cells can make an adult man’s pecker grow, Glenn and the other little weenie Republiscums will be all for it.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:49 pmwhew….man I am glad I saw this. My bucket of crazy was running low. Now Glenn Beck just topped it off. Actually thought I was going to run out of crazy today.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:49 pmYou’re receiving televangelists without a tv?
– Never claimed I was. Even if I had tv there is no way those charletatans would be allowed on in this house. Well I suppose if we had a few beers and wanted to goof on their weirdness and the bumpkins that sign their checks over to them.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:53 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
I did, actually. I blinded him with science, you might say.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Don’t get the “blinded him with science” part. bit can still clearing see that the quoted articles present a great deal of potential.
However, the CA government didn’t refer to the potential
The governor said: “Obama’s executive order is a huge win for the millions of people who suffer from spinal cord injuries, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, Multiple Sclerosis and many other illnesses.”
bit takes this to be salesmanship until the there are actually some real results on real people.
It’s a bit pompous to think only Liberals have cornered the understanding on science.
BTW, what’s the down side to ES use?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:57 pmbitblt Says:
bit reads this as intent to deny First Amendment rights to some citizens of the U.S.
Is this what you meant?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
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Nope. Not even remotely. It’s an intent to improve our public discourse and our education system so that reason, logic, and critical thinking are valued over closed-minded parroting of talking points. The more ability people have to think for themselves, the less they’ll rely on megapreachers and CBN charlatans to understand the world around them. It’s a grassroots effort, not an act of Congress.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:57 pmThis explanation is clearly suggested in the first X-men movie.
Methinks all too often the world of the wingnut is intrinsically tied to fantasy.
At least that what their actions are “speaking”, louder than their ignorant words ever could.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:57 pmIt’s a bit pompous to think only Liberals have cornered the understanding on science.
— OT but is it not sort of pompous to think one religion or cult is any better or any worse than any other religion/cult?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:58 pm“So I guess I have to put my name on yes, I hope Barack Obama fails. ”
Beck- another Repub who wants the President & therefore the country to fail. Isn’t that comment what Repubs call treason, and the person a traitor? Oh, right, unless they say it.
Republicans, each day, show themselves as being against the country, and only for their party. They are incapable of working with anyone but their own kind.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:58 pmdbadass Says:
You’re receiving televangelists without a tv?
– Never claimed I was. Even if I had tv there is no way those charletatans would be allowed on in this house. Well I suppose if we had a few beers and wanted to goof on their weirdness and the bumpkins that sign their checks over to them.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
bit has to wonder about them too. bit wonders how much of the televangelist audience voted for BHO?
So, if dbadass doesn’t have a tv and doesn’t receive the RF directly, how does he know about them? Reading blogs?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:59 pmwe mean that when bit
goes to his dr. he’ll remind
his dr. that he wants no cure
developed from stem cell research.
bye bit.
:)
March 9th, 2009 at 5:00 pm…only Liberals have cornered the understanding on science.
Well, you said it, not us.
Once again, reality and progressives marching in lock-step.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:00 pmIn they have grown someone new teeth with stem cells, and in Germany a man who had lost his lower jaw to cancer was able to grow himself a new jaw that fit perfectly. What wonderful medical technology!
March 9th, 2009 at 5:00 pmYeah, Beck has that magic undergarment, gold tablets under the bed, you too can be a God if you tithe on time…. wire touching. It helps to explain a lot of his frothing rants, especially the ones of a racist or sexist bent.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:01 pmDNFP Says:
Methinks all too often the world of the wingnut is intrinsically tied to fantasy.
Precisely,DNFB. That’s why I didn’t even bother to respond to that garbage. I wanted to scream,
March 9th, 2009 at 5:02 pm“It was a comic book…FOOL!”
bitblt Says:
However, the CA government didn’t refer to the potential
The governor said: “Obama’s executive order is a huge win for the millions of people who suffer from spinal cord injuries, diabetes, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, Multiple Sclerosis and many other illnesses.”
bit takes this to be salesmanship until the there are actually some real results on real people.
March 9th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
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Fair enough. Here are some real results on real people for spinal cord injuries, diabetes, Parkinson’s, Multiple Sclerosis and many other illnesses.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:02 pmBeck has too much white around his eyes…I’ve heard that it’s a sign of disease, illness, death, especially under the eyes. It’s normal to have white around the sides of the eyes, but not circling the entire eye like Beck.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:03 pmThe individual posting under the pseudonym bitbit makes Glenn Beck appear to be a genius by comparison.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:04 pmHow ironic; this pin-headed blow-hole Beck not only conflates, but accuses the progressive movement and Obama (not necessarily the same thing), with the Hitler machine, which is actually more in line with his and Republicans ideologies when taken to their logical extreme.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:05 pmSo, if dbadass doesn’t have a tv and doesn’t receive the RF directly, how does he know about them? Reading blogs?
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March 9th, 2009 at 5:05 pmThis is quite simple. I have had tv in the past but choose not to have it at this time as I have no current use for it. Damn couldn’t you have thought that one through on your own?
bit the ventriloquist says:
It’s a bit pompous to think only Liberals have cornered the understanding on science.
Not sure how you figure this to be true but I can tell that Conservatives have cornered the market on ignoring science.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:07 pmteri3157 Says:
Beck has too much white around his eyes…I’ve heard that it’s a sign of disease, illness, death, especially under the eyes.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
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Whoa….
Are you saying that Glenn Beck is undead? Like he’s some sort of zombie?
Cause that’d explain SO much!
March 9th, 2009 at 5:09 pmdbadass Says:
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This is quite simple. I have had tv in the past but choose not to have it at this time as I have no current use for it. Damn couldn’t you have thought that one through on your own?
March 9th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Interesting. bit has neither broadcast nor cable TV.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:09 pmJust now, a parent of a snowflake baby was wailing about the “children” that will not be born because of stem cell research. Uhmmmmm, guess she isn’t familiar how stem cells come about. I think there is more than enough for research and snowflake babies. When Nancy Reagon applauds Obama for changing bush’s policy we must be on the right track.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pmBeck has become a quivering bundle of paranoia. He now plays the part only too well. But his fixation on a super- race and raw fascism make for a toxic mix. FOX is going hard core hate – call the FBI!
March 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pmBTW, what’s the down side to ES use?
No ONE Knows…that’s why research, unencumbered by Religious Roadblocks, is Crucial.
The Irony is, that research on Cells that are going to be thrown out anyhow, may well lead to Stem Cell Treatments that Don’t require Embryo’s at all.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:13 pmInteresting. bit has neither broadcast nor cable TV.
You obviously don’t need a toaster either.
You get burned here plenty without one.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:13 pm135
March 9th, 2009 at 5:14 pmI fail to see how this is relevant in anyway. Now before we get back to the topic of ignoring you might we get your thoughts as to #118?
Ape-Man Says:
But his fixation on a super- race and raw fascism make for a toxic mix. FOX is going hard core hate – call the FBI!
March 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
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Potentially dangerous, yes. But I think the only people who actually watch his show are the staff of ThinkProgress and Media Matters, so your point may be moot.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:15 pmjoe cantwell Says:
we mean that when bit
goes to his dr. he’ll remind
his dr. that he wants no cure
developed from stem cell research.
bye bit.
:)
March 9th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
It bit understands ES research correctly, use of the cells is not being heralded as producing “cure developed from stem cells.” Stem cells are the cure. It’s important to note that embryonic stems cells are not the same as adult stem cells. While similar the sources of the cells is different.
There have been good results from using adult stem cells. More importantly, using adult stems cells doesn’t mean that some preborn human will be destroyed to get them.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:17 pmBadger Says:
BTW, what’s the down side to ES use?
No ONE Knows…that’s why research, unencumbered by Religious Roadblocks, is Crucial.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
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That’s not entirely true – there are some known down sides. There’s potential for implanted stem cells to morph into tumors, or take root in the wrong parts of the body, or just not work to regenerate the tissue they were supposed to regenerate. The risks of stem cell therapy are still quite high, which is why more research is needed, and, as you stated, research that’s not held back by religious fanaticism.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:18 pmHopefully, this rush to the “master race” of which Beck speaks will cure those imbeciles who feel the need to refer themselves in the third person.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pmA master race huh? Hell I’m all for that if it replaces the race of idiots on the reich permanently from mankinds gene pool.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:22 pmbadass Says:
It’s a bit pompous to think only Liberals have cornered the understanding on science.
— OT but is it not sort of pompous to think one religion or cult is any better or any worse than any other religion/cult?
March 9th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
You’re probably right about this, but isn’t it sort of pompous to think all religions are equal? As a matter of fact, isn’t it sort of pompous to think all governments offer equal freedom or all ways of living are equally desirable?
Further, isn’t it equally pompous to think believing that a way of behaving is immoral makes one a bigot? Is it the case that if one has no discernment, believes there is no behavior that is immoral, then he is not a bigot. He’s a sociopath.
Hope you can tell that bit doesn’t think the highest form of learning is to believe nothing.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:22 pmMore importantly, using adult stems cells doesn’t mean that some preborn human will be destroyed to get them.
Yeah bit, it’s much better to flush them down the toilet. Why are you so stupid?
March 9th, 2009 at 5:23 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
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That’s not entirely true – there are some known down sides. There’s potential for implanted stem cells to morph into tumors, or take root in the wrong parts of the body, or just not work to regenerate the tissue they were supposed to regenerate. The risks of stem cell therapy are still quite high, which is why more research is needed, and, as you stated, research that’s not held back by religious fanaticism.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Thanks for being truthful about that.
A collaborating article at
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89291
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Tumors triggered by fetal stem cells
Doctor: Results of injection therapies aren’t predictable
Article includes a rather unattractive photo.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:25 pmYou are Wrong bit…
Stem cells may, in some cases, actually CURE someone…BUT
Doing MEDICAL RESEARCH on a Dish of Stem Cells, will allow Researchers to TEST Drugs on other Agents on Human Cells without putting actual Living People at risk. This Very Important Use of Stem Cells will speed up the discovery or Cures, faster that the current trials using Mice, etc.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:26 pmbitblt Says:
hussein toasterhead Says:
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That’s not entirely true – there are some known down sides. There’s potential for implanted stem cells to morph into tumors, or take root in the wrong parts of the body, or just not work to regenerate the tissue they were supposed to regenerate. The risks of stem cell therapy are still quite high, which is why more research is needed, and, as you stated, research that’s not held back by religious fanaticism.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Thanks for being truthful about that.
A collaborating article at
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/ index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=89291
MATTERS OF LIFE AND DEATH
Tumors triggered by fetal stem cells
Doctor: Results of injection therapies aren’t predictable
Article includes a rather unattractive photo.
Gee bit, is this why scientists do research?
March 9th, 2009 at 5:29 pmBadger Says:
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March 9th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Thanks. So using stem cells to develop medicines is a different application than using the cells directly.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:30 pmbit,
no stem cell cures for you.
that way you will not become
a hypocrite bit.
bye.
:)
March 9th, 2009 at 5:37 pmTo further my point Bit…
If Scientists can get a line of Stem Cells with Genetic Abnormalities…such as the Gene for Huntingtons, or Parkinsons, or Cystic Fibrosis… that we know have an Inheritable Genetic Component…
then they can Hone in on treatments for these horrible dideases.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:43 pmralph is joining this discussion late, so ralph apologizes if the question has already come up, but…
ralph wonders about bit’s position re: destroying embryos created as a byproduct of in vitro fertilization projects?
March 9th, 2009 at 5:51 pmthey are not embryos. They are little people
March 9th, 2009 at 5:55 pmBadger Says:
If Scientists can get a line of Stem Cells with Genetic Abnormalities…such as the Gene for Huntingtons, or Parkinsons, or Cystic Fibrosis… that we know have an Inheritable Genetic Component…
then they can Hone in on treatments for these horrible dideases.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
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Exactly – see the article I posted above about the stem cells that were produced with inheritable ALS (Lou Gehrig’s Disease). These have great potential to help scientists find a cure.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:57 pmralph believes bit doesn’t really know the meaning of the term “pompous”.
It strikes ralph that “pompous” is a silly way to characterize one who thinks “believing that a way of behaving is immoral makes one a bigot”. Especially since bit casts this characterization in such a vague, generic way that it loses all contact with the meaning to which bit refers.
For instance, one could easily make the argument that “believing that being sexually attracted to members of one’s own gender is immoral” does in fact make one a bigot, as there is no rational explanation for such a conclusion based on unwanted effect of the behavior on others. One must rely on one’s own religious beliefs to justify such a conclusion, and thus demand that one’s own religious beliefs be imposed on others.
March 9th, 2009 at 5:59 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
ralph is joining this discussion late, so ralph apologizes if the question has already come up, but…
ralph wonders about bit’s position re: destroying embryos created as a byproduct of in vitro fertilization projects?
March 9th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
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Here’s an idea – the religious fanatic objection to stem cell research is that every embryo has a soul, and therefore by destroying the embryo you destroy a life and condemn the soul to purgatory, right?
So why don’t the labs just get a priest to baptize the embryos being used for research? The embryos get a free pass to Heaven, scientists get their research, and everybody wins!
March 9th, 2009 at 6:00 pmAdmittedly, I disagree with much of the stem cell research – from a right to life perspective.
However, when I look in my history books, it was the conservative side who really got into eugenics. In fact, one name that comes to mind is Prescott Bush.
I’m sure the last name is just a co-incidence ? Right ?
March 9th, 2009 at 6:28 pmIs his audience hooked on fear? Are there not enough genuine things to fear if fear you must? I really don’t understand the psychology of people who hang on every word of these pundits, beyond trusting that it is a very warped psychology.
March 9th, 2009 at 6:30 pmnanlichi is so confused. Never good at math or logic or phony morals perhaps someone could help out here? If the blastocyst has a soul and some scientist creates three superhumans from that blastocyst does each of the three have a third of a soul?
What if the poor unborn human instead of being flushed down the sewer like God meant it to be, turns out to be a kidney in some kid’s body. Does a kidney have a soul?
nanlichi is soooo glad to be an atheist and not have to worry about such shit.
March 9th, 2009 at 6:47 pmThat’s it Glenn, sit back, close your eyes, take a deep breath, take another deep, slow breath, relax Glenn, continue breathing slowing and clear your mind of all thoughts…..even those placed there for profit….
continue, ad infinitum
March 9th, 2009 at 6:53 pmGlenn Beck is such a jackass. One day he’s saying President Obama is talking down the economy and striking fear in everyone and then the next day, Beck announces that the ‘master race’ is coming with stem cell research!
Gawd I hate him and his minions. They’re nothing but a bunch of 3rd graders acting like they’re seniors. Idiots.
March 9th, 2009 at 6:59 pmI have the feeling that Becky, and the other morons, are not even that concerned with the issue of stem cell research in particular. What freaks them out is the thought that our government is now in the care of people who value knowledge over Belief.
But what drives them to gibbering idiocy is the fact that Obama, and those he’s chosen for his administration, are intellectuals. Stupid humans fear intelligent humans because intelligent humans do things that don’t make sense to stupid humans.
March 9th, 2009 at 7:12 pmI think Beck can rest easy. When it’s time to create the super race, his DNA will not be required.
March 9th, 2009 at 7:32 pm“The action by the President today will, in effect, allow scientists to create their own guidelines without proper moral restraints,” says Tony Perkins, a man who wouldn’t know a proper moral restraint if one bit him on the ass.
March 9th, 2009 at 7:43 pmThis bit-poster is a bit of an idiot.
I find it depressing to read the ramblings of the people who lap up Beck’s nonsense, and then vomit it back to us in foul-smelling half-digested pieces.
God help us if the bits and the Becks ever regain power.
March 9th, 2009 at 7:48 pmcmac Says:
This bit-poster is a bit of an idiot.
I find it depressing to read the ramblings of the people who lap up Beck’s nonsense, and then vomit it back to us in foul-smelling half-digested pieces.
God help us if the bits and the Becks ever regain power.
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i agree but i think bit
adds a “bit” of his own
corn for texture.
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March 9th, 2009 at 7:51 pmWhen you want to make a lie particularly effective you mix in a measure of truth. The more shocking the better.
Unfortunately, beck is correct in many of the things he says about the Eugenics Movement. It was started in the United States. It was supported by the heiress of the Harriman railroad fortune. And it was supported by a Wall Street banker named Prescott Bush.
beck is also correct in stating that the evils of the Eugenics Movement spread from the United States to the evil genius of Adolph Hitler’s Third Reich. It was carried there by the son of the Harriman heiress, W. Averil Harriman as he worked to establish the German Nazi Party through his sychophant employee and son-in-law, Prescott Bush.
But then, like all good propagandists, beck throws in the piece that distracts attention away from the truth, mixing in the idea of a master race, and ascribing that motive to the Democrats, when everyone who has not drunk the kool aid realizes it is republican goons who have wet-dreams about being blue-eyed Aryans.
March 9th, 2009 at 8:08 pmPpo-Lifers [did you see Chris Smith (R) on HardBall today?] are missing one important point about embryonic stem cell research. Everyone agrees the waste basket is a poor destination for these cells. But they argue that these cells should be made into snow-babies instead. OK, i’m all for snow-babies if it’s feasible. But if and where snow-babies are not feasible, then second best is to let the cells live on in a new body, and to provide medical cures in that process of living on in a new body. I admit that some people, in particular religious people, may not be comfy with the idea of merging of identites like that, but it’s either that or a death sentence in the waste basket for the cells. If i was a embryonic stem cell and i had a choice in the matter, i would choose life in a willing and grateful host. Wouldn’t you?
March 9th, 2009 at 8:17 pmBeck: Stem-cell research will lead directly to the search for a new ‘master race.’
Only in Beck’s wet dreams…
March 9th, 2009 at 9:53 pmIt’s the Clone Army that Beck’s afraid of. Liberal clones marching to kill all who disagree.
March 10th, 2009 at 1:20 amRidiculous
You would think a father of children with cerebral palsy would have a little more compassion for the science that could cure or prevent this disease.
It takes a certain type of low-life to turn his back on his own children, and whatever chance to a normal life they could have with advanced research. I wonder if he would be man enough to say this if his children could stand-up for their own rights.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:35 amUnlike Beck, I’ve actually read about the eugenics movement. What he doesn’t seem to realize is that in the days that was the case, he’d have been on the side of the eugenicists anyway. They were trying to wipe out all those Republicans now just try to starve, impoverish and marginalize.
What an ass.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:00 amHey Beck,
Rush already thinks he is the master race and you Rush-licans promote it.
So Glenn, Your against Snow Flake babies?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:35 amBit you are just flat out too ignorant, too stupid, and too brainwashed to waste time on. Your tired and frankly retarded propaganda is a waste of electrons. You dont know what you are talking about and I guess you never will.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:05 amIf the Obama administration had rejected the position of the Bush administration regarding embryonic stem cells by saying “We disagree with their ethical reasoning, and think THIS policy is more ethically sound,” Beck would have been off base. But that’s not what Obama said; what he said was, “The Bush administration substituted dogma for science, and what we’re doing instead is science rather than dogma.” It’s an ad hominem fallacy intended to demonize those who agree with Bush’s assessment of the ethics.
Unfortunately, if accepted as stated, this has the effect of demonizing anybody who thinks the acquisition of knowledge through science ought to be limited by ethical considerations of any sort. And it’s the progress of science unbounded by any ethical consideration at all that led, once, to experiments like those of Josef Mengele, or (closer to home) to the sterilization of American convicts in an attempt to improve the gene pool. Glen Beck, for all his apparent hysteria, knows his history.
Ethics do not arise from science, nor can they, and any good scientist knows it. If it’s “anti-science” to allow ethics to govern the practice of the sciences, then it’s correct to warn that science will be turned to unethical purposes. Don’t dismiss Beck’s warning; what happened in Germany can happen here.
March 10th, 2009 at 6:55 amLet us all pray and wear magical underwear so that we can cure and protect ourselves from the lords all invented diseases.
March 10th, 2009 at 7:12 ambitblt Says:
There have been good results from using adult stem cells. More importantly, using adult stems cells doesn’t mean that some preborn human will be destroyed to get them.
Whoah! Conservative gold, here. Pray tell, what is a “pre-born human”? So…. life is sacred as fetus, and as POTENTIAL fetus, but once born you are on your own (healthcare is YOUR problem, and thus YOU are responsible for YOUR OWN health, so you can grow up and fight and kill and die in war…. yipppeeeee!!!!!! Nice morals).
More interesting is this whole “preborn” notion (this is not bit’s idea) — so, I presume that, being rational and all, those who espouse this destruction of preborn humans idea are also 100% AGAINST ALL sexual acts that do not produce children. But, it HAS to go farther than THAT: mastr ubation is destruction of “preborn humans”… and so is every period of every human female… in fact, every menstruation (to include the FIRST ONE) involves the DESTRUCTION of an (or is it 2 ?) eggs. Those human eggs — preborn humans — will never exist again: the female human is born with all the eggs she will EVER have — thus each menstruation is the destruction of a unique potential life, each a preborn human that could only exist if that egg were fertilized.
Do these conservatives suggest saving every single egg? There are a finite number that exist in every female (the female body does not create eggs — she is born with them), therefore every single one should be fertilized. Of course, this necessitates changing some laws… I mean, puberty comes on early…..
March 10th, 2009 at 7:26 amPlumb Bob Says:
Dogma does not imply ethics. Dogma is theology. Ethics are morality. Just because a person follows a dogam, does not mean that they have ethics.
Religion does NOT equate to morals — there are those with strong religious beliefs, yet who lack ethics and morals, and there are those who are strongly anti-religious who have very stable and sound morals and ethics.
Bush (and conservatives in general) decry stem cell research based on DOGMA, not based on morals — the “morals” presented as argument are ALL BASED ON DOGMA, therefore it is dogma that drove Bush (and conservatives in general) to stop stem cell research. Morals and ethics were simply the justifications to try to bring on board those who are not staunchly enmeshed in their dogma: justification and rationalization of a position based solely in dogma, not based solely in ethics.
March 10th, 2009 at 7:36 amPlumb Bob Says:
Ridiculous
If the Obama administration had rejected the position of the Bush administration regarding embryonic stem cells by saying “We disagree with their ethical reasoning, and think THIS policy is more ethically sound,” Beck would have been off base. But that’s not what Obama said; what he said was, “The Bush administration substituted dogma for science, and what we’re doing instead is science rather than dogma.” It’s an ad hominem fallacy intended to demonize those who agree with Bush’s assessment of the ethics.
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Your mistake is substituting dogma with ethics as CageyCreting pointed out. They are not anywhere NEAR the same thing. You would need more science to even MAKE the ethical argument. You would need to show that a blastocyte is indeed a person and that is far from having any scientific foundation. What was made was rather a religious argument from DOGMA. Since this mistake was the basis for your entire argument it is a logical fallacy since no argument made from a faulty premise can be a valid argument.
Unfortunately, if accepted as stated, this has the effect of demonizing anybody who thinks the acquisition of knowledge through science ought to be limited by ethical considerations of any sort.
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No it doesnt not even close it has the effect of saying that the aquisition of science ought not to be limited by the considerations of DOGMA not ethics again mistaking the two renders your entire argument ridiculous.
And it’s the progress of science unbounded by any ethical consideration at all that led, once, to experiments like those of Josef Mengele, or (closer to home) to the sterilization of American convicts in an attempt to improve the gene pool. Glen Beck, for all his apparent hysteria, knows his history.
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No he doesnt he knows his audience. He knows they arent very bright and will take his propaganda at face value no matter how ludicrous it is.
Ethics do not arise from science, nor can they, and any good scientist knows it. If it’s “anti-science” to allow ethics to govern the practice of the sciences, then it’s correct to warn that science will be turned to unethical purposes.
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Again your inability to tell the difference between dogma and ethics makes your argument meaningless
Don’t dismiss Beck’s warning; what happened in Germany can happen here.
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It CAN in the sense anything is possible short of George Bush Jr joining MENSA other than that this statements is ludicrous on the face of it. If you take seriously the idea that stem cell research is the first step to torture deaths in the name of science then get help. FAST.
March 10th, 2009 at 8:05 amGlenn, go sit at the table with Rush. There’s plenty of seats.
March 10th, 2009 at 8:30 amIs Glenn Beck terminally goofy?
A Master race is coming? (I thought they were already here? Limbaugh Hannity Ann Coulter…)
If they are, hopefully they’ll be a good master race this time.
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March 10th, 2009 at 8:48 ambeck is obviously a right wing moron. stem cell research is not interested in a MASTER RACE. they are trying to cure horrible diseases and injuries. the best research for cloning body parts and curing Alshiemers will come from stem cell research, (perhaps) and pure research is good in its own right. it always pays off in the long run. beck must not have a parent or grandparent sitting in a puddle of their own drool or he would welcome any research that might help them. he obviously dont know what he’s talking about so why listen to him other than for the humour inheriant in listening to a brain dead moron who if u ask me already has some sort of brain function disorder
March 10th, 2009 at 9:06 amBoth CageyCretin and EugeneDebs attempt to dismiss my argument by positing that “ethics” is not “dogma,” and vice versa. This distinction is wrong. “Dogma” and “ethics” are not, by far, mutually exclusive.
From dictionary.com:
eth?ics
? –plural noun
1. (used with a singular or plural verb) a system of moral principles: the ethics of a culture.
2. the rules of conduct recognized in respect to a particular class of human actions or a particular group, culture, etc.: medical ethics; Christian ethics.
3. moral principles, as of an individual: His ethics forbade betrayal of a confidence.
dog?ma
–noun, plural
1. a system of principles or tenets, as of a church.
2. a specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid down, as by a church: the dogma of the Assumption.
3. prescribed doctrine: political dogma.
4. a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle.
There is nothing in the definition of either word that makes them mutually exclusive. Indeed, most theological systems contain dogmatic statements that easily fall into the category, “ethics,” and it’s the easiest thing in the world to make an ethical system dogmatic. The fact that a system is dogmatic does not in any way remove statements about ethics any less ethical.
Just for a simple example, what does it matter if the ethical precept, “Don’t steal,” comes from a dogmatic system or from a logical syllogism based on the presuppositions of Materialism? For that matter, if your articulation of private property rights arises from, say, Blackstone’s Commentaries and Burke’s Vindication of Natural Society, and are part of a cohesive system of thought, in what way is that not dogma?
What you folks are doing is inventing a tendentious and incorrect distinction between your own thoughts and “religion,” which you regard as brainless and invalid. You’re entitled to your opinions about religion, but you’re not entitled to invent artificial distinctions between ethics from your philosophy and ethics from theirs.
And if you want to know, your error occurs at the point where you dismiss religion as brainless. All the great civilizations in history were built by religions, including ours. The very concept of ethics arises out of religion. Your attempt to dismiss it wholesale IS the error of the 20th century that made that century the bloodbath we’d all prefer to forget; and it’s good of Mr. Beck not to let us forget it.
March 10th, 2009 at 9:17 amOops on grammar: make that, “The fact that a system is dogmatic does not in any way make its statements about ethics any less ethical,” or possibly “The fact that a system is dogmatic does not in any way remove ethical statements it makes from the category, ‘ethics.’” Either will do.
March 10th, 2009 at 9:21 amNote to Eugene Debs:
Please think this statement through to a proper conclusion: “No he doesnt he knows his audience. He knows they arent very bright and will take his propaganda at face value no matter how ludicrous it is.” (And consider correcting your punctuation.)
If conservatives are so completely stupid, where does Beck obtain the intelligence to correctly analyze and deceive them? And how does the conservative movement develop the “smart deceivers” out of the mass of “stupid followers?” Do they have a “deceiver farm,” where they deliberately grow the smart ones to deceive the dumb ones?
The notion that any major political grouping consists of a tiny cadre of deceivers who are “in the know,” and a mass of followers who know nothing, rests on a model that really only works in smaller movements. You need to apply Occam’s Razor to this problem: the most likely explanation for conservatism, libertarianism, liberalism, Marxism, progressivism, or whatever political grouping, is that they genuinely believe what they say. Conspiracy theories may be fun, but they’re seldom worth spit.
March 10th, 2009 at 9:33 amas for what x-men power do i want ? hair growth and sweat that smells like money.
March 10th, 2009 at 9:34 amPlumb Bob Says:
You are completely wrong. Dogma and ethics are simply NOT the same thing I didnt say nor need they BE mutually exclusive. Again your binary thinking has misled you. Things dont have to be mutually exlusive to not be the same thing. That there is some overlap doesnt mean they are the same or can be used interchangably. Your definitions say the ethics are MORAL principles on the one hand and principles OR TENETS on the other. Tenets CAN be but are not ALWAYS ethically or morally based. AGAIN until you can show with something other than your BELIEF that a blastocyte is a child or has a seperate life and conciousness then you cant even BEGIN to make an ETHICAL argument based on something other than DOGMA which IS NOT THE SAME AS AN ETHIC. The Church TEACHES that is it is DOGMA that the ONLY way to be saved is by accepting Jesus many teach that is it is DOGMA that you must be baptized NEITHER of these are moral arguments. Some Dogma is and some isnt. The sets of Dogma and ethical teachings overlap but ARE NOT THE SAME. Look at the fourth definition of dogma 4. a settled or established opinion, belief, or principle. Are you REALLY claiming that all accepted beliefs and opinions are ethical?
The fact that a system is dogmatic does not in any way remove statements about ethics any less ethical.
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A bad example. It becomes an ethical argument when it becomes WHY IT IS WRONG. See Humes An Enquiry Concerning the Principles of Morals, which I have here somewhere. The Ethical argument concerns as an oversimplification WHO IT HURTS. It is quite obvious SOMEONE is being hurt by theft whether you argue from private property or not. Someone is being deprived of something they have. Now Proudhon made a moral argument when he said ‘property is theft’. It was an ethical argument that most would disagree with but it WAS a moral argument. He based it on who was being deprived and WHY IT WAS WRONG. Not all dogma is based on why something is wrong. Explain the ethical argument for dogma in Leviticus about planting two crops together or making your wife leave the house during menstruation. This WAS Dogma it was NOT ethical.
What you folks are doing is inventing a tendentious and incorrect distinction between your own thoughts and “religion,” which you regard as brainless and invalid. You’re entitled to your opinions about religion, but you’re not entitled to invent artificial distinctions between ethics from your philosophy and ethics from theirs.
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This is clearly and FLATLY wrong. First of all I am a Christian and in no way believe religion is brainless nor invalid. That is your Manichean binary thinking misleading you AGAIN. You just assume since I disagree with you I am hostile to religion when I consider myself a religious person I just disagree with you and NO it is YOU trying to conflate two DIFFERENT things as if they were the SAME thing. Not that they are mutually exlusive but they are NOT THE SAME THING and this is patently obvious. They are NOT the same thing it really is that simple. Just because SOME dogma is ethically based in no way means ALL dogma is the same thing as ethical.
And if you want to know, your error occurs at the point where you dismiss religion as brainless.
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I didnt make an error YOU did and repeating this insulting assumption is just compounding your error.
All the great civilizations in history were built by religions, including ours. The very concept of ethics arises out of religion.
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This is patently false. You cannot show that ethics comes from religion that is a baseless assertion. I know several athiests and agnostics and some of them are among the most ethical people I know. It is counterintuitive. It is absurd to claim all great civilizations were built BY religions. Just because Religions were part of these societies. PROVE to me that it was the RELIGIONS of the Sumerians and Etruscans that built their civilizations.
Your attempt to dismiss it wholesale IS the error of the 20th century that made that century the bloodbath we’d all prefer to forget; and it’s good of Mr. Beck not to let us forget it.
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Beck is a moron, its that simple. Again you run with an absolutly absurd assumption that I am trying to dismiss religion. I love my Religion and I love God. That doesnt turn an argument of Domga into one of ethics. Nowhere in the bible doest it say life begins at conception. Even if it DID that would be a belief according to the Bible I would not expect the entire country to conform to unless I could back that belief up with EVIDENCE. That evidence would HAVE to come from science IF I expect other citizens. Muslims, Hindus, Agnostics, and Confucists to be bound by.
March 10th, 2009 at 10:15 amPlumb Bob Says: 191
Your entire specious argument was ludicrous. It rests on the fanciful and imaginitive assumption that I think there is a small cadre of plotters brainwashing people for a specific agenda. Nowhere in my post was any such implication. You are getting paranoid here. Becks audience is his product. It is what he can sell to advertisers and what makes him worth paying. He KNOWS them and knows they will buy whatever transparent idiocy he tosses out. I didnt say he didnt believe it, the point is he doenst even TRY to make it logical which this is not. It is a slippery slope argument which is a logical fallacy by definition. There is NO more a conspiricy theory that he wants to toss red meat to his audience to entertain them IN A SPECIFIC way than to say Ford is in a conspiricy theory to sell cars. He WANTS to say outrageous things because THAT is what he is selling to the audience which he hopes will be big enough to sell to his employer. He knows those drawn to THAT dynamic dont really care much about logic. I am sure he believes at least some of what he says and BASICALLY what he is saying though he may sell himself as more extreme than he really is because he IS SELLING. Lets talk about another logical fallacy. You seem to love them. The STRAWMAN. This is when you argue some delusional version of the argument I made instead of the ARGUMENT I MADE. See your post for an example. As for punctuation. I make myself understood if that isnt good enough for you read someone elses posts.
March 10th, 2009 at 10:33 amGee, I thought Beck and all the squirrels who watch and listen to him considered themselves the “master race.” Is this his admission of his well earned, rather than inherited, inferiority?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:06 amGlen Beck: “Black man in the White House! Fear! Fear! Fear!”
March 10th, 2009 at 11:15 amHopefully stem cell research will give us answers as to why Beck and the GOP are soooo warped in their thinking & ideas.
Can’t be they were born this way – God would not be that cruel
March 10th, 2009 at 2:17 pmBeck bio (not that I want to ridicule someones shortcomings and family tradedies, but this explains a lot, he definitely has a screw loose. Could you imagine if this was Obama’s background and not his, what Beck would do with this in)
His early life was pitted with tragedies. His mother committed suicide when he was 13. One of his brothers-in-law also committed suicide. Another sibling reportedly had a fatal heart attack.[7]
Beck is a self-described reformed alcoholic. In the aftermath of those three family tragedies, Beck said he used “Dr. Jack Daniels” and marijuana to cope. He and his first wife divorced amid his struggle with substance abuse. Beck cites the help of Alcoholics Anonymous in his sobriety, and he eventually converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which teaches against the consumption of alcohol.
Beck has spoken often of his religious beliefs and conversion. “God stalked me!…He had a giant baptismal rifle,” Beck said. “I thwarted him. I led people astray as much as I could, but he kept putting Mormons in my way.”[8]
March 10th, 2009 at 10:45 pmwhy are libs always so excited at the prospect of killing babies? There is research being done with adult stem cells that is promising and safer. I guess because an innocent baby does not get killed you can’t support that? Are you so arrogant that you believe your life is more valuable than the baby’s life? If embryonic stem cells were so promising don’t you think private funding would be available? When our country is in this much trouble, should we be throwing money away at something like this when there are better ways to be saving and improving lives? I guess you can’t think logically when the thought of being able to kill another is close at hand
from- livemint
However, the president’s support of embryonic stem cell research comes at a time when many advances have been made with other sorts of stem cells. The Japanese biologist Shinya Yamanaka found in 2007 that adult cells could be reprogrammed to an embryonic state with surprising ease. This technology “may eventually eclipse the embryonic stem cell lines for therapeutic as well as diagnostics applications”, Kriegstein said. For researchers, reprogramming an adult cell can be much more convenient, and there have never been any restrictions on working with adult stem cells.
For therapy, far off as that is, treating patients with their own cells would avoid the problem of immune rejection.
Despite a Food and Drug Administration-approved safety test of embryonic stem cells in spinal cord injury that the Geron Corp. began in January, many scientists believe that putting stem cell-derived tissues into patients lies a long way off. Embryonic stem cells have their drawbacks. They cause tumours, and the adult cells derived from them may be rejected by the patient’s immune system. Furthermore, whatever disease process caused the patients’ tissue cells to die is likely to kill introduced cells as well. All these problems may be solvable, but so far none have been solved.
http://www3.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=489953
Adult cells are behind much of stem cell success so far
IN SHORT, YES, STEM CELLS do have the potential to turn into more specialized cells (that is what we mean by a stem cell). But after eight years of trial and error, scientists have not yet shown that they know how to nudge or coax or direct any given cell in a desired direction — for example, into the dopamine producing cells that are needed to combat Parkinson’s disease.
Living, breathing people who have been treated by stem cells — some who would have otherwise died — are signs of the great hope of stem-cell research. Take Doug Rice, a bear of a man who was told he had months to live because of heart disease, yet after being treated with his own blood stem cells, his heart function is almost normal. Then there’s Dave Foege who also received the same treatment for his ailing heart, after his doctors had sent him home to hospice. And accident victim Jacki Rabon can walk with the aid of braces after she had her own nasal stem cells injected into her spinal-cord injury. Carol Franz is an incredible woman who suffered from multiple myeloma, a bone cancer, until she had her bone-marrow stem cells transplanted. Stephen Sprague has been free from leukemia after having a cord blood stem cell transplant. And Keone Penn no longer has sickle-cell anemia after receiving a cord-blood stem-cell transplant.
In fact, during the first six weeks of Obama’s term, several events reinforced the notion that embryonic stem cells, once thought to hold the cure for Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, and diabetes, are obsolete. The most sobering: a report from Israel published in PLoS Medicine in late February that shows embryonic stem cells injected into patients can cause disabling if not deadly tumors.
The report describes a young boy with a fatal neuromuscular disease called ataxia telangiectasia, who was treated with embryonic stem cells. Within four years, he developed headaches and was found to have multiple tumors in his brain and spinal cord that genetically matched the female embryos used in his therapy.
His experience is neither an anomaly nor a surprise, but one feared by many scientists. These still-mysterious cell creations have been removed from the highly ordered environment of a fast-growing embryo, after all. Though they are tamed in a petri dish to be disciplined, mature cells, research in animals has shown repeatedly that sometimes the injected cells run wildly out of control—dashing hopes of tiny, human embryos benignly spinning off stem cells to save grown-ups, without risk or concern
The importance of stem cells for medical research has never been greater, and the scientific and public clamor for unimpeded research is fully understandable. But it’s important that Obama and everyone supporting a lifting of the ban be clear with the public on what is involved in this decision; it’s more complex than advertised. The ban Bush became famous for restricted the use of federal research dollars just to adult stem cells and embryonic stem cells already in existence at the time of his executive order. Lifting this ban so that researchers can use frozen embryos that would otherwise be discarded—they’ve been donated by couples who have had in vitro fertilization treatments—has drawn wide and bipartisan support from Congress. It’s an easy lift.
The more ethically charged decision—less understood by the public and one Congress has avoided—involves the ban on creating human embryos in the laboratory solely for research purposes. In fact, President Clinton is the one who balked at allowing scientists to use government money for embryo creation and research on stem cells harvested from such embryos; Bush only affirmed the Clinton ban. The scientific community has been able to attract nonfederal money for such work, and it is going on all the time in stem cell institutes. Scientists want relief from the inconvenience and expense of keeping that work and the money that supports it separate from federal dollars.
Reversing the executive orders of two prior presidents on embryo creation, which even the Congress has been unwilling to tackle, is a far bigger issue than lifting the ban on the use of IVF embryos slated for destruction. Obama stands for transparency, and it’s important for him to make sure the public understands his decision, including that all stem cells are not the same or created equally.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:48 amRE# 142. There have been good results from using adult stem cells. More importantly, using adult stems cells doesn’t mean that some preborn human will be destroyed to get them.
You do realize that fertility doctors usually destroy leftover/extra embryos!! And this research could possibly save or improve existing human life. How can you get any more “pro-life” than that? That’s an argument you neopublicans will NEVER be able to shoot down.
Also too!! Doesn’t Beck have a child with downs syndrome?? So this research would possibly improve the life of that child, and he is ranting AGAINST that?? Some people really do amaze me sometime.
March 11th, 2009 at 6:01 amBeck, again, has no idea what he is talking about!
As long as none of the Stem Cells are in any way related to Mr. Beck, we should be safe, as use of his DNA would be against the interest of the country!
As all the right wing crazies continue to talk nonsense, it shows their ignorance, or their willingness to lie to the American People about the real research that can be advanced with the availability of new stem cell lines.
It is sad that the GOP continues to wallow in the mud in the attempt to keep their extreme members agitated. When will they learn that they are distancing themselves from the real voters? Not any time soon!
March 11th, 2009 at 2:09 pmWhy would the Repubes be afraid of one race? How many of the Senators and Reps are anything but WASPs? Specter, Cao, and Floridians?
Eugenics is such a progressive idea, of course. Exclude people based on their “choice” of genes, kill off some elderly, reduce diversity. That’s not right-wing Nazi crap, no. Progressives include no one and have one idealogy.
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