Chas Freeman pulls his appointment.
Chas Freeman pulls his appointment.
A new statement from Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair’s office:
Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair announced today that Ambassador Charles W. Freeman Jr. has requested that his selection to be Chairman of the National Intelligence Council not proceed. Director Blair accepted Ambassador Freeman’s decision with regret.
Freeman’s appointment was met by strong right-wing outrage, provoking a “fierce behind-the-scenes lobbying campaign to torpedo the appointment.” The Wonk Room’s Matt Duss noted that Freeman voiced “some inconvenient truths about the Israel-Palestine conflict, and represent[ed] a challenge to the treasured neoconservative myth that US and Israeli interests are identical.” Today, Blair defended Freeman’s appointment under questioning from Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT).
I have concluded that the barrage of libelous distortions of my record would not cease upon my entry into office. The effort to smear me and to destroy my credibility would instead continue. I do not believe the National Intelligence Council could function effectively while its chair was under constant attack by unscrupulous people with a passionate attachment to the views of a political faction in a foreign country. I agreed to chair the NIC to strengthen it and protect it against politicization, not to introduce it to efforts by a special interest group to assert control over it through a protracted political campaign.
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Again, its not about what’s right or true, its about what’s politically expedient.
Hell of a way to run a government.
March 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pmAIPAC: 1
March 10th, 2009 at 4:53 pmFreeman: 0
Someone should tell Freeman some fights are worth fighting.
March 10th, 2009 at 4:55 pmMaybe Freeman should look for a job with the Israeli Lobby.
March 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pmThe bloodsuckers are it again. I think someone should tell Satan to remind his earthlings just who won the election.
March 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pmSen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT)
I can’t wait for Connecticut to get rid of their traitor in 2012.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:00 pmWhy is the minority, out-of-power party STILL dominating Washington? C’mon Democrats! Develop some Cojones!!!
March 10th, 2009 at 5:01 pmAnd where is Obama? Why wasn’t he defending this appointment? Does he have any Cojones?
March 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pmThey asked for it…now we will get someone who will banish AIPAC and WINEP !!
March 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pmfred garvin Says:
Right on schedule!
Still raping this country even after the warrant was put out for your arrest on Nov. 4, I see.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pmDid any of you read his comments on China?
March 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pmI’m getting tired of Democrats doing the right thing and falling on their sword. Let’s have a few obstructionists fall on the sword first.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pmmhfurlong Says:
Did any of you read his comments on China?
March 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
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No, I didn’t. Do you have a link?
March 10th, 2009 at 5:10 pmYeah, I second that about the link request! I know a lot of people thought he was a mixed bag to begin with…
March 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pmCharles Freeman holds the Freeman Chair in China Studies at CSIS. He concentrates on the political economy of China and other parts of East Asia and on U.S.-China relations, particularly trade and economic relations. A second-generation “China hand,” he has lived and worked between Asia and the United States for his entire life. During his government career, he served as assistant U.S. trade representative (USTR) for China affairs. In this capacity, he was the United States’ chief China trade negotiator and played a primary role in shaping overall trade policy with respect to China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Macao, and Mongolia. During his tenure as assistant USTR, he oversaw U.S. efforts to integrate China into the global trading architecture of the World Trade Organization. Earlier in his government career, he served as legislative counsel for international affairs in the Senate.
from Freeman’s credentials
March 10th, 2009 at 5:16 pmMy guess is that the people who torpedoed Freeman’s are the same crowd he criticized: Zionist traitors. Our leaders will be smart if they quit sucking on their privates.
We’re totally sick of Israeli-Zionist control over America. Any politicians who come out against these thugs will be greatly admired.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:18 pmoh Fred, shut up. Adults are talking.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pmI just read his Globalist article that was linked from the Wikipedia. He is a pragmatist with China, definitely forgives them of a lot (which I disagree with, but obvioiusly better than any GOP appointee), but I haven’t seen anything out of the ordinary.
It really does seem like that this was regarding Israel/AIPAC pressure. sigh.
and FYI Fred- progressives can disagree with each other and debate, and don’t have to be weak little sock puppets like you to get their pathetic POV across.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pmWell then.. Plenty more of This to come.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:31 pmHere’s a link for the China / Tianemen square comments:
March 10th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Link for Freeman’s China/Tianemen comments
March 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pmHere’s the link for the China / Tianemen square comments:
March 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pmWell, in his place, may I suggest this guy? I think he would fit the job perfectly.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pmRefusing Freeman want change the facts that the Palestine Holocaust was done by Israel and seen around the World. Israel demands people remember the Jewish Holocaust but want people to forget the Palestine Holocaust. Israel is going down hill anyway with the President of Israel changed with rape and sexual hassarrment and PM Olmert charged with corruption. This shows the leadership of Israel is the same as the Bush Administration. As for Joe lip kissing Bush well he’s finished and he knows it. Once the old man who couldn’t remember what he ate for breakfast and his bimbo VP choice lost the Election, Israel no longer has a puppet country to use.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pmGee Schumer, I guess they did it for you. At your suggestion?
Christ, as if you ever give a good suggestion. When was the last time?
March 10th, 2009 at 5:44 pmFreeman was guilty of speaking the truth, for being a voice of reason and honesty vis-a-vis Israel and Palestine.
That is unacceptable.
This is disturbing, considering Freeman was an appointment, not someone who needed an up or down vote. How pathetic is it that this government fears simply speaking the truth when it comes to Israel and Palestine?
So, President Obama, are you frightened of an honest debate, an honest and open assessment of what needs to be said and done regarding the Palestinian issue? Whomever you pick to replace Freeman should provide the answer.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:48 pmThe need to unmitigatedly worship the government of Israel is a bipartisan disease. Kerry and Leiberman savaged Dean in 2004 for being too evenhanded on Israel and Clinton exploited the Farakhan endorcement for the same thing last year. Meanwhile, the demolition and colonization east Jerusalem and the West Bank continues…
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/03/02-0
March 10th, 2009 at 5:48 pm@ Fred: Yes staged photos of dead babies.. Because in the middle of getting bobmed to hell the gazans thought.. “hey let’s just pile some fake dead babies up and take pictures” you’re a jackass.I hope your kids get blown up to bits by crazy fanatics.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:49 pm@ Fred
Don’t insult me with that word. Liberals have no spine.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:51 pmMy god. I’ve read more intellectual back-and-forth on a college football fan blog. This is a joke. Adios retrogressives!
March 10th, 2009 at 5:51 pm@ Fred
I’m done you’re a mental midget.
Shot by Hamas? Really all while Al Jazeera and Press Tv were standing right there filming the bombs drop on those kids? Guess you don’t watch international news..Might help you form a more cohesive opinion on things.. go back to your trailer.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pmright- because you added so much to the intellectualism, mhfurlong. a divisive troll with no intent but to misinform people on a progressive blog discussing issues. Are you sitting in Fred’s lap right now?
March 10th, 2009 at 5:55 pmWhen it comes to Israel, some people in Congress just can’t handle the truth.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:55 pmThere will NEVER be peace between Israel and Palestine (or the rest of most of the middle east) until the U.S. becomes an actual honest broker. As long as it’s always, “Israel, right or wrong” that’s expressed by so many in this country, including MANY on the Democratic side, it will continue to be a hopeless situation. Since Freeman’s appointment was for a non-Senate confirmed position, the administration should have stayed firm. There are other reasons to be concerned about Freeman, but his honest words about Israel are NOT one of them!!!
March 10th, 2009 at 5:56 pmRE: “Did any of you read his comments on China?”
SEE: “Nelson Report Says Freeman Foes Distorting China Memo” – by Jim Lobe
LINK – http://www.ips.org/blog/jimlobe/?p=235
March 10th, 2009 at 5:56 pmJust don’t tell him that those beheadings were staged
March 10th, 2009 at 5:56 pmFred Garvin, in your troll droppings in #21, it seems you are also describing Republicancers as a whole and the sellouts in the US senate. At least the corrupt senators are getting paid (whores), you’re just fcuking stupid!
March 10th, 2009 at 5:57 pmHow sad but to do nothing all day but try to upset people who disagree with you. Not debate, not discuss, not say anything.
There’s a reason you guys remain the losers in this country, Fred and mhfurlong. The only way I’d think you weren’t so pathetic is if you were 12 years old. But sadly, I don’t think so.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:57 pmAIPAC wins again…
March 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pmUncle Ho Says:
AIPAC: 1
Freeman: 0
AIPAC: 100
March 10th, 2009 at 6:16 pmUSA: 0
fred garvin Says:
Yep, he’s a liberal!
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Yep you are a moron
March 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pmfred garvin Says:
Those babies were shot by hamas.
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Not just any garden variety moron but an incredibly stupid and brainwashed moron. Go away and let the adults talk. You are too stupid to be taken seriously
March 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pmDems are to blame on this situation too–anyone who is beholden to a PAC for another country is to blame.
March 10th, 2009 at 6:30 pmSame tactics used against Clinton appointees.
Republicurse
March 10th, 2009 at 6:30 pmThe question must be answered; how to loosen the stranglehold AIPAC has on this country’s politicians, who can’t wait to kneel at AIPAC’s throne every time an election rolls around in exchange for campaign donations?
March 10th, 2009 at 6:32 pmFredGarvin is a dishonest moron. As stupid as the Sun is bright. He tells us the ISRAELI’s say that Hamas killed those children DURING an Israeli assault of course this is the same IDF that said when they shelled a beach and killed a family that it hit a Palestinian ammo dump that was inexplicably situated on the BEACH. That is until the UN investigated and said no 155mm shells from the IDF killed the family. It doesnt matter that the IDF routinely lies about their actions its good enough for FredMoron since he couldnt care less about facts, truth OR reality. Only the propaganda matters to him, that and protecting the delusional fantasies he so cherishes
March 10th, 2009 at 6:42 pmOdd, Dennis Blair says Iran has no nuclear weapons program as of mid-2007. while Israel screams threat.
Israel screams Freeman is a threat, and Blair accepts his resignation. Chuck Schumer = Israel. Governor Patterson recently revealed Schumer was in Israel, yet Chuck’s website said he was touring New York. No news showed on Schumer for days. Was he brokering a new Israeli ruling coalition?
March 10th, 2009 at 6:57 pmNo, he wasnt the wrong guy for this position…just because he was the ambassador to Saudi does not mean he is pro-saudi anymore than Cheney is pro-saudi
March 10th, 2009 at 6:59 pmfred garvin Says:
I hope your kids get blown up to bits by crazy fanatics.
Beware how you use your imprecatory prayer fred..
March 10th, 2009 at 7:00 pmPlease, folks, can we stop the accusations of lacking mental abilities in the interest of debate?
March 10th, 2009 at 7:07 pmFreeman quit,good! This presidents appointments SUCK so far. GOD BLESS ISRAEL , AND ALL HER FRIENDS!
March 10th, 2009 at 7:14 pmnickwim Says:
Freeman quit,good! This presidents appointments SUCK so far. GOD BLESS ISRAEL , AND ALL HER FRIENDS!
Nice to see you don’t want God blessing the rest of the world, you selfish person.
March 10th, 2009 at 7:22 pm70 is a poor John Kerry.
March 10th, 2009 at 7:22 pmHey TP, it’s not just neo-cons/right-wingers that oppose this career, even-handed diplomat, it’s also Jeffrey Goldberg of The Atlantic, Jonathan Chait of the New Republic and a couple of others.
Here’s a couple of links for you.
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March 10th, 2009 at 7:33 pmResponse to:nickwim Says:
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Freeman quit,good! This presidents appointments SUCK so far. GOD BLESS ISRAEL , AND ALL HER FRIENDS!
Let’s see how God Blesses those who caused the Palestine Holocaust. Yes and God might even Bless Israel President Moshe Katsav who is indicted for rape and sexual harrassment and then there’s the corruption charges against PM Ehud Olmert. Now if those are the examples of who God Blesses then we have some serious problems. As Israel soldiers followed the orders of Livni to send the Palestine people to UN Safe Houses then use Cluster Bombs to make sure all are killed and even burned to death all in the name of God. This says alot about Israel these days and it has nothing to do with God more the workings of Satan.
March 10th, 2009 at 7:33 pmnickwim Says:
Good job you are multitasking cheerleader, troll, ignorant brainwashed moron. Good luck with that.
March 10th, 2009 at 7:41 pmnickwim Says:
God Bless the IDF and their pots of defecation left in the refrigerators of Palestinians!!!
There, fixed it for you.
March 10th, 2009 at 7:41 pm@ republicans hate facts: my apologies, Yes some liberals have spines..Granted not many of those represent us in Congress :( Maybe we should run?
@Fred:Until you actually travel outside of your trailer park I don’t want to hear one more word from you…Now go along I think your meth lab is about to catch on fire.
March 10th, 2009 at 7:54 pmHey There Archie B:
March 10th, 2009 at 8:04 pmI warned you…
Director of National Intelligence Dennis C. Blair announced today that Ambassador Charles W. Freeman Jr. has requested that his selection…
March 10th, 2009 at 8:05 pmAaaaarcheeeee?
The cleaners called, your robe is ready….
Aaaaaarcheeeee?
March 10th, 2009 at 8:10 pmNo,but, I have a feeling you like cok in your ass.
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March 10th, 2009 at 8:15 pmOwn it Archie because it will be crammed down your throat till you choke on it and I am quessing do the pussy name change thing
When it comes to Israel there is less freedom of speech – and thought- than in Communist Russia.
March 10th, 2009 at 8:26 pmWhere the hell is Archie? I have business with his Jughead…
March 10th, 2009 at 8:37 pmPerhaps that’s the business he’s tending to…
March 10th, 2009 at 9:13 pmIsrael first!
-GSD
March 10th, 2009 at 9:23 pmArchie B Says:
Just STFU. Your ignorance is offensive. Your blatant stupidity is boring. You are an ignorant brainwashed troll. You are a punk. I get that you THINK you are clever with your trolling button pushing troll act but you arent. You are just stupid and pathetic. Do the world a favor and go kill yourself
March 10th, 2009 at 9:37 pmArchie B Says:
I’m selling bridges 2 for 1, today.
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You dont have any bridges in fact you dont have ANYTHING except massive stupidity. You are a pustulent seeping herpes sore of a psuedohuman. Isnt it time for you to go kill yourself. The world is waiting.
March 10th, 2009 at 9:41 pmSo Archie? What do YOU think about the Unitary Executive?
March 10th, 2009 at 9:46 pmEugene Debs really has a way with words! “You are a pustulent seeping herpes sore of a psuedohuman” I don’t think I have seen a better description of Archie B before. Nice!
How about this guy as a replacement?
“Rabbi Lerner, author of The Left Hand of God: Taking Our Country Back from the Religious Right (Harper San Francisco, 2006) is not only rabbi of Beyt Tikkun but is also the editor of TIKKUN magazine: A Bimonthly Jewish Critique of Politics, Culture and Society. TIKKUN is one of the most respected intellectual/cultural magazines in the Jewish world, but also one of the most controversial because of its stand in favor of the rights of Palestinians, on the one hand, which locates him in the minds of many as the leader and most prominent spokesperson in the U.S. of Jewish supporters of the Israeli peace movement, and on the other hand, because of his stand critiquing the anti-religious and anti-spiritual biases of the secular Left, insisting that they need to address the spiritual hunger of Americans as equally important to their material needs (he calls this a hunger for “meaning” and says that for many Americans the desire to transcend the individualism and selfishness of the competitive marketplace and connect their lives to higher meaning is as important as any interest in money or things, and that one reason why people who might on purely economic grounds be supporting the liberal and progressive social change movements actually end up supporting the Right is that the Left doesn’t have a “politics of meaning”). He is the co-author with Cornel West of a book entitled Jews and Blacks: Let the Healing Begin, and several other books.”
How could the Israelis reject a rabbi?
March 10th, 2009 at 9:54 pmOh there you are….
March 10th, 2009 at 10:03 pmSKdeA Says:
Thanks. I have read Tikkun a couple of times. I like the magazine. It has a valuable voice.
March 10th, 2009 at 10:09 pmArchie B Says:
ArchMoron is back with typical rightwing stupidity. Do you ever just sit back and consider how stupid and pathetic you are? Do you really think you are doing anthing but showing your ignorance coming here trying to annoy us with your ignorant trolling? You are a punk. A stupid worthless punk and that is all you will ever be.
March 10th, 2009 at 10:11 pmdon’t you fellows on both sides know a divided house can’t stand.with your rants you play into the enemies hand.liberals are nogood conservatives are nogood.can you show your liberalism by the example of your liberality,can you shouw your conservatism by the example of your conservatality.i tell you your both stuck in the ditch.labels won’t pull us out of this mess.truly we all had our parts for the shambles our country is in.its going to take some real GOD fearing americans to bring us out.they will come from all walks of live of faith,race,colours and backgrounds.talk is cheap.a kind word or a strong hand up is cheap also,but it goes a long way to remedy life’s troubles.bringing the noise is easy.bringing solutions is were the rubber meets the road.so lets have some solutions.liberal&conservative alike.then lets get busy.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:00 pmEugene Debs: So what president stuck Eugene Debs in federal prison and what president pardoned Him?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:01 pmI dont really know what point you are trying to make. No PRESIDENT put him in jail the courts did. Wilson refused to pardon him Harding did due to his failing health in fact he was dying but if you are trying to make some kind of point I just dont see it.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:09 pmBy calling him a ’self hating jew.’ It is a fairly common practice among the loud, extremist, minority who wish to perpetuate the statquo.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:10 pmdieselis Says:
Yeah that sounds real good. Lets work together. Obama tried to work with the GOP and they stabbed him in the back. I am all for working together but not if that means uniting behind the previously expressed and failed policies of the GOP. I am all for working together or even some measure of compromise but not it is spelled capitulation.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:12 pmI have read the comments above and have come to the conclusion that most of those on this site would consider themselves enlightened progressives. This however is proved untrue by the bile that is spewed forth against those with a different veiw point. Anyone who asks, even in jest, for the life of a fellow human being to be cut short because of a disagreement over policy, or suggest that their world veiw must be accepted without debate, is either deluding themselves about their true acceptance of others having the same rights as themselves or is simply unaware that the world marginalizes the veiws of those, whether based in fact or not, that would rather talk over others than have a civil discussion of the issues at hand.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:33 pmLynch Mob ! Lync Mob ! They finally hanged Chas Freeman with help from Jonathan Pollard future room mate Steve Rosen. Next Shumer and Lieberman nominating Daniel Pipe for the same seat.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:33 pmhyndsyt2020 Says:
No it isnt about having a disagreement. It isnt about a differing opinion my self righteous aquaintence. It is about people so sad that they dont even TRY to have any discussion at all. They come her just to push our buttons and annoy us. They arent trying to come to any dialectic they arent trying to discuss anything. They are trolling. They are attempting to annoy us. They are attacking liberals in general and being jerks. Feel free to be a pompous windbag if you think it will do you any good. I have read plenty of your kinds psuedopiety before.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:41 pmArchie B Says:
You are a punk. You are a troll. You dont try to discuss anything you attack us tell lies, insult us, try to push our buttons and annoy us. There is no attempt at ALL for you to discuss anything. You are stupid. You arent fooling anyone. You get what you deserve. Why would I waste my time treating your trollturds as if they were actual attempts at rationale discourse?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:11 amArchie B Says:
YOU are a joke. At least hyndsyt2020 is sincere. YOU are nothing but an ignorant punk troll.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:12 amAny troll that thinks they ought to come in here and treat us with contempt and we have some obligation to treat THEM respectfully is a moron. They are so brainwashed by the screechmonkeys that do their thinking for them they think they ought to be able to act the same way and no one should call them on their stupidity and churlish behaviour. Welcome to the real world
March 11th, 2009 at 12:15 amIt is obvious most of the people posting comments here
March 11th, 2009 at 12:26 amare collosal imbeciles at best. Chas Freeman was a former
Ambassador to Saudi Arabia and the last of the Arabist
ass kissers. Presumbaly then, the anti-Semites and anti-Zionists on these poster boards approve of Freeman’s 30 years
of serving the Saudi ‘Royal’ family anf the various pedophilic
Emirate rulers in the Gulf States. One can choose to dislike
Israel (that is your right in a free country) but please don’t try and present Freeman as “balanced”. He is anti-Israel, overtly so, and is so tied up with Arab money
that he smells like a camel’s behind. As for his new found
role as a so-called ‘Asia’ hand of which he knows absolutely nothing. His new involvement with China is simply because, as with Arab countries, he is an unrepentent free trader and
Chamber of Congress groupie. He will continue to sell out America to China as he has to the Arabs. For those Israel
haters here who feign so much concern for the Palestinians,
why not join Freeman in his quest to beg China and Saudi
Arabia to finance the American debt while you continue
to accuse Israel (which has a net trade loss with the US)
of being a “traitor” while Freeman and his Arab and Beijing
friends are supposedly American’s best interests ? Grow up
or shut up…..
Yet another side of Dennis Blair:
It would be difficult to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and hard to tell which combination of carrots and sticks might convince Iran’s leaders to abandon that goal, the US Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, told the Senate Tuesday.
According to Blair’s testimony, “only an Iranian political decision” – a decision he noted could always be reversed – would “plausibly keep Iran from eventually producing nuclear weapons,” as Teheran already had “the scientific, technical and industrial capacity eventually to produce nuclear weapons.”
“We assess convincing the Iranian leadership to forgo the eventual development of nuclear weapons will be difficult,” he told the Armed Services Committee in prepared remarks. “Some combination of threats of intensified international scrutiny and pressures, along with opportunities for Iran to achieve its security and goals might – if perceived by Iran’s leaders as credible – prompt Teheran to extend the halt to the above nuclear weapons-related activities. It is difficult to specify what such a combination might be.”
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1236676910458&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
March 11th, 2009 at 12:34 amThe legislators, who included members of the House and Senate intelligence committees, also questioned Freeman’s business associations with the Chinese government and a think tank, the Middle East Policy Council, funded in part by Saudi money.
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1236676912910&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
What does that say about Nancy-Ann DeParle?
http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2009/03/white-house-health-care-reformer-is-peu.html
March 11th, 2009 at 12:37 ambandung Says:
You stupid trolls can rant all you want. You are stupid. YOU especially are a moron. You can CHOOSE to be stupid if you want it is a free country but you certainly arent going to be taken as anything but the moron you are posting that kind of garbage here. YOUR ignorance is not OUR problem. So keep being brainwashed and ignorant I am sure its your comfort zone.
March 11th, 2009 at 1:06 amGroovy ! Groovy! cheers to Charles Freeman, 21 gun salute to you for telling the truth:-
March 11th, 2009 at 2:25 am+
“I do not believe the National Intelligence Council could function effectively while its chair was under constant attack by unscrupulous people with a passionate attachment to the views of a political faction in a foreign country.”
Then you do know. A so called liberal Democrat had his attorney general, Biddle (if I am not mistaken) prosecute Debs for treason or tripe to that effect, and a Republican President from Ohio, whom many decry, pardoned him. Perhaps the world is a bit more complicated than many want to believe.
March 11th, 2009 at 3:24 amHow does one explain Jewish anti-semites and anti-zionists? Sir Yehudi Menuhin thought a bunch of terrorists founded Israeli. He did not approve of Israel. I have often wondered how people, who call people who disagree with the foreign policy of the right wing of the Likud party of being “anti-semtic or anti-zionists,” explain someone such as Sir Yehudi?
March 11th, 2009 at 3:32 amI apologize. It was attorney general Palmer whom Wilson let Debs prosecute. Attached are two sentences from Wikepedia:
Learning of Deb’s ill health, Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer prepared a clemency petition on Debs’s behalf for a presidential pardon in order to free Debs from prison, feeling it would damage the administration if he died in custody. [35] Upon being given the petition, President Wilson replied “Never!” and wrote ‘Denied’ across it.[32]
On December 25, 1921, Republican President Warren G. Harding commuted Debs’ sentence to time served; Debs was released from prison and was warmly greeted by President Harding at the White House: “I have heard so damned much about you, Mr. Debs, that I am very glad to meet you personally.”
March 11th, 2009 at 3:41 am“Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001
March 11th, 2009 at 4:47 amArchie B Says:
There plenty of proof that says exactly that! Aka liberal hypocrisy!
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No there isnt troll. YOU are a liar and a fool and an ignorant piece of garbage.
March 11th, 2009 at 6:44 amArchie B Says:
deb, what’s it like living with so much hate? I feel sorry for you. :(
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Poor little troll. You like to screw around with us but dont much like it when we slap you around which is all an ignorant troll like you deserves do you. I dont hate you. You flatter yourself. You are insignificant. I amuse myself by swatting you like the fly your IQ most resembles. You dont even exist in my universe except as entertainment
March 11th, 2009 at 6:46 amferdigrofe Says:
Then you do know. A so called liberal Democrat had his attorney general, Biddle (if I am not mistaken) prosecute Debs for treason or tripe to that effect, and a Republican President from Ohio, whom many decry, pardoned him. Perhaps the world is a bit more complicated than many want to believe.
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Yeah, I read his biography its not that accurate to call the man behind the Palmer raids a liberal. He was NOT tried for treason rather violating the espionage act. The act he went to prison for was giving an anti war speech. They considered it tampering with the war effort or something. ANYONE who thinks the world or most any part of the world is simple is deluding themselves. The most common thing I tell people when in REAL political discussions is…its not that simple.
March 11th, 2009 at 6:50 amferdigrofe Says:
Its a ludicrous smear done by simpleminded people who see everything in simplistic Manichean terms. I disapprove of Israels foriegn policy and so does my wife who is in fact a Sephardic Jew.
March 11th, 2009 at 6:53 amWhat us this? Is it a discussion group for drunken truck drivers? Civil discourse is mandentory for a clear exchange of discussion. Never forget that one can learn from folks who disagree with you, however it is not possible with emotional smut and personal attacks.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:33 amAs a general rule of thumb, methinks that israeli defense forces are not in the business of killing children. That is the historical M.O. of their opponents.
The problem with some of us liberals is that we fail to realize that we do have some in our fold (like Freeman, Zbigniew Brzezinski etc.) Who have admiration for Communist governments and the communist tactics they use to “control their populations.”
Just read some of their books and you’ll get the hint.
I wouldn’t be surprised if the Democratic party adopts the Chinese’ one child rule (which actually is less barbaric than our partial birth abortion policy).
March 11th, 2009 at 3:30 pmIn the short term the AIPAC band win, as they always do, but in the long term this kind of ever-more obvious meddling by Israel and it’s domestic supporters into every level of the government of the US is going to turn large swathes of public opinion against Israel. The tail wags the dog in this relationship, and eventually the dog’s going to mind.
March 11th, 2009 at 4:37 pmper the above: TheAntichrist Says:
March 11th, 2009 at 5:22 pmThis point is at the very heart of the problem progressives present to those they are trying to bring to their side. When faced with those within our ranks whose true goal is to attain power, that would only use our agenda to lessen freedom and diminish personal choice, we will side with our own, even when it means we diminish the very values we espouse. If we allow these few to attain leadership within the movement, then we have lost the moral high ground to those we oppose and the facts will become immaterial. If the charges leveled at Freemen were false, then to disprove them should have been done easily. If not, how does his appointment legitimize or further the progressive movement in the eyes of others who have not chosen a side in the greater debate.
My previous post was not an attempt at piety, nor to talk over anyone. It was an attempt to substitute reasonable disagreement for name calling and have this become a discussion amoung civil adults. No matter the subject, until the shrill screaming stops, there is no discussion to be had.
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