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]]> By: hyndsyt2020 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5542864 hyndsyt2020 Wed, 11 Mar 2009 21:22:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5542864 per the above: TheAntichrist Says: This point is at the very heart of the problem progressives present to those they are trying to bring to their side. When faced with those within our ranks whose true goal is to attain power, that would only use our agenda to lessen freedom and diminish personal choice, we will side with our own, even when it means we diminish the very values we espouse. If we allow these few to attain leadership within the movement, then we have lost the moral high ground to those we oppose and the facts will become immaterial. If the charges leveled at Freemen were false, then to disprove them should have been done easily. If not, how does his appointment legitimize or further the progressive movement in the eyes of others who have not chosen a side in the greater debate. My previous post was not an attempt at piety, nor to talk over anyone. It was an attempt to substitute reasonable disagreement for name calling and have this become a discussion amoung civil adults. No matter the subject, until the shrill screaming stops, there is no discussion to be had. per the above: TheAntichrist Says:
This point is at the very heart of the problem progressives present to those they are trying to bring to their side. When faced with those within our ranks whose true goal is to attain power, that would only use our agenda to lessen freedom and diminish personal choice, we will side with our own, even when it means we diminish the very values we espouse. If we allow these few to attain leadership within the movement, then we have lost the moral high ground to those we oppose and the facts will become immaterial. If the charges leveled at Freemen were false, then to disprove them should have been done easily. If not, how does his appointment legitimize or further the progressive movement in the eyes of others who have not chosen a side in the greater debate.
My previous post was not an attempt at piety, nor to talk over anyone. It was an attempt to substitute reasonable disagreement for name calling and have this become a discussion amoung civil adults. No matter the subject, until the shrill screaming stops, there is no discussion to be had.

]]> By: Bullsmith http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5542761 Bullsmith Wed, 11 Mar 2009 20:37:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5542761 In the short term the AIPAC band win, as they always do, but in the long term this kind of ever-more obvious meddling by Israel and it's domestic supporters into every level of the government of the US is going to turn large swathes of public opinion against Israel. The tail wags the dog in this relationship, and eventually the dog's going to mind. In the short term the AIPAC band win, as they always do, but in the long term this kind of ever-more obvious meddling by Israel and it’s domestic supporters into every level of the government of the US is going to turn large swathes of public opinion against Israel. The tail wags the dog in this relationship, and eventually the dog’s going to mind.

]]> By: TheAntichrist http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5542597 TheAntichrist Wed, 11 Mar 2009 19:30:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5542597 The problem with some of us liberals is that we fail to realize that we do have some in our fold (like Freeman, Zbigniew Brzezinski etc.) Who have admiration for Communist governments and the communist tactics they use to "control their populations." Just read some of their books and you'll get the hint. I wouldn't be surprised if the Democratic party adopts the Chinese' one child rule (which actually is less barbaric than our partial birth abortion policy). The problem with some of us liberals is that we fail to realize that we do have some in our fold (like Freeman, Zbigniew Brzezinski etc.) Who have admiration for Communist governments and the communist tactics they use to “control their populations.”

Just read some of their books and you’ll get the hint.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the Democratic party adopts the Chinese’ one child rule (which actually is less barbaric than our partial birth abortion policy).

]]> By: rmiers http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541860 rmiers Wed, 11 Mar 2009 12:33:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541860 What us this? Is it a discussion group for drunken truck drivers? Civil discourse is mandentory for a clear exchange of discussion. Never forget that one can learn from folks who disagree with you, however it is not possible with emotional smut and personal attacks. As a general rule of thumb, methinks that israeli defense forces are not in the business of killing children. That is the historical M.O. of their opponents. What us this? Is it a discussion group for drunken truck drivers? Civil discourse is mandentory for a clear exchange of discussion. Never forget that one can learn from folks who disagree with you, however it is not possible with emotional smut and personal attacks.
As a general rule of thumb, methinks that israeli defense forces are not in the business of killing children. That is the historical M.O. of their opponents.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541850 EugeneDebs Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:53:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541850 ferdigrofe Says: Its a ludicrous smear done by simpleminded people who see everything in simplistic Manichean terms. I disapprove of Israels foriegn policy and so does my wife who is in fact a Sephardic Jew. ferdigrofe Says:

Its a ludicrous smear done by simpleminded people who see everything in simplistic Manichean terms. I disapprove of Israels foriegn policy and so does my wife who is in fact a Sephardic Jew.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541849 EugeneDebs Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:50:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541849 ferdigrofe Says: Then you do know. A so called liberal Democrat had his attorney general, Biddle (if I am not mistaken) prosecute Debs for treason or tripe to that effect, and a Republican President from Ohio, whom many decry, pardoned him. Perhaps the world is a bit more complicated than many want to believe. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Yeah, I read his biography its not that accurate to call the man behind the Palmer raids a liberal. He was NOT tried for treason rather violating the espionage act. The act he went to prison for was giving an anti war speech. They considered it tampering with the war effort or something. ANYONE who thinks the world or most any part of the world is simple is deluding themselves. The most common thing I tell people when in REAL political discussions is...its not that simple. ferdigrofe Says:

Then you do know. A so called liberal Democrat had his attorney general, Biddle (if I am not mistaken) prosecute Debs for treason or tripe to that effect, and a Republican President from Ohio, whom many decry, pardoned him. Perhaps the world is a bit more complicated than many want to believe.
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Yeah, I read his biography its not that accurate to call the man behind the Palmer raids a liberal. He was NOT tried for treason rather violating the espionage act. The act he went to prison for was giving an anti war speech. They considered it tampering with the war effort or something. ANYONE who thinks the world or most any part of the world is simple is deluding themselves. The most common thing I tell people when in REAL political discussions is…its not that simple.

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541848 EugeneDebs Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:46:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541848 Archie B Says: deb, what’s it like living with so much hate? I feel sorry for you. :( >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Poor little troll. You like to screw around with us but dont much like it when we slap you around which is all an ignorant troll like you deserves do you. I dont hate you. You flatter yourself. You are insignificant. I amuse myself by swatting you like the fly your IQ most resembles. You dont even exist in my universe except as entertainment Archie B Says:

deb, what’s it like living with so much hate? I feel sorry for you. :(
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Poor little troll. You like to screw around with us but dont much like it when we slap you around which is all an ignorant troll like you deserves do you. I dont hate you. You flatter yourself. You are insignificant. I amuse myself by swatting you like the fly your IQ most resembles. You dont even exist in my universe except as entertainment

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541847 EugeneDebs Wed, 11 Mar 2009 10:44:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541847 Archie B Says: There plenty of proof that says exactly that! Aka liberal hypocrisy! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No there isnt troll. YOU are a liar and a fool and an ignorant piece of garbage. Archie B Says:

There plenty of proof that says exactly that! Aka liberal hypocrisy!
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No there isnt troll. YOU are a liar and a fool and an ignorant piece of garbage.

]]> By: delafield http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541839 delafield Wed, 11 Mar 2009 08:47:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541839 <strong>"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it."</strong> - Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001 “Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”

- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001

]]> By: ferdigrofe http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541832 ferdigrofe Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:41:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541832 I apologize. It was attorney general Palmer whom Wilson let Debs prosecute. Attached are two sentences from Wikepedia: Learning of Deb's ill health, Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer prepared a clemency petition on Debs's behalf for a presidential pardon in order to free Debs from prison, feeling it would damage the administration if he died in custody. [35] Upon being given the petition, President Wilson replied "Never!" and wrote 'Denied' across it.[32] On December 25, 1921, Republican President Warren G. Harding commuted Debs' sentence to time served; Debs was released from prison and was warmly greeted by President Harding at the White House: "I have heard so damned much about you, Mr. Debs, that I am very glad to meet you personally." I apologize. It was attorney general Palmer whom Wilson let Debs prosecute. Attached are two sentences from Wikepedia:

Learning of Deb’s ill health, Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer prepared a clemency petition on Debs’s behalf for a presidential pardon in order to free Debs from prison, feeling it would damage the administration if he died in custody. [35] Upon being given the petition, President Wilson replied “Never!” and wrote ‘Denied’ across it.[32]

On December 25, 1921, Republican President Warren G. Harding commuted Debs’ sentence to time served; Debs was released from prison and was warmly greeted by President Harding at the White House: “I have heard so damned much about you, Mr. Debs, that I am very glad to meet you personally.”

]]> By: ferdigrofe http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541829 ferdigrofe Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:32:21 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541829 How does one explain Jewish anti-semites and anti-zionists? Sir Yehudi Menuhin thought a bunch of terrorists founded Israeli. He did not approve of Israel. I have often wondered how people, who call people who disagree with the foreign policy of the right wing of the Likud party of being "anti-semtic or anti-zionists," explain someone such as Sir Yehudi? How does one explain Jewish anti-semites and anti-zionists? Sir Yehudi Menuhin thought a bunch of terrorists founded Israeli. He did not approve of Israel. I have often wondered how people, who call people who disagree with the foreign policy of the right wing of the Likud party of being “anti-semtic or anti-zionists,” explain someone such as Sir Yehudi?

]]> By: ferdigrofe http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541826 ferdigrofe Wed, 11 Mar 2009 07:24:41 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541826 Then you do know. A so called liberal Democrat had his attorney general, Biddle (if I am not mistaken) prosecute Debs for treason or tripe to that effect, and a Republican President from Ohio, whom many decry, pardoned him. Perhaps the world is a bit more complicated than many want to believe. Then you do know. A so called liberal Democrat had his attorney general, Biddle (if I am not mistaken) prosecute Debs for treason or tripe to that effect, and a Republican President from Ohio, whom many decry, pardoned him. Perhaps the world is a bit more complicated than many want to believe.

]]> By: Oldstockman http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541766 Oldstockman Wed, 11 Mar 2009 06:25:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541766 Groovy ! Groovy! cheers to Charles Freeman, 21 gun salute to you for telling the truth:- + "I do not believe the National Intelligence Council could function effectively while its chair was under constant attack by unscrupulous people with a passionate attachment to the views of a political faction in a foreign country." Groovy ! Groovy! cheers to Charles Freeman, 21 gun salute to you for telling the truth:-
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“I do not believe the National Intelligence Council could function effectively while its chair was under constant attack by unscrupulous people with a passionate attachment to the views of a political faction in a foreign country.”

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541738 EugeneDebs Wed, 11 Mar 2009 05:06:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541738 bandung Says: You stupid trolls can rant all you want. You are stupid. YOU especially are a moron. You can CHOOSE to be stupid if you want it is a free country but you certainly arent going to be taken as anything but the moron you are posting that kind of garbage here. YOUR ignorance is not OUR problem. So keep being brainwashed and ignorant I am sure its your comfort zone. bandung Says:

You stupid trolls can rant all you want. You are stupid. YOU especially are a moron. You can CHOOSE to be stupid if you want it is a free country but you certainly arent going to be taken as anything but the moron you are posting that kind of garbage here. YOUR ignorance is not OUR problem. So keep being brainwashed and ignorant I am sure its your comfort zone.

]]> By: stateofthedivision http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541710 stateofthedivision Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:37:57 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541710 <em>The legislators, who included members of the House and Senate intelligence committees, also questioned Freeman's business associations with the Chinese government and a think tank, the Middle East Policy Council, funded in part by Saudi money.</em> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1236676912910&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull What does that say about Nancy-Ann DeParle? http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2009/03/white-house-health-care-reformer-is-peu.html The legislators, who included members of the House and Senate intelligence committees, also questioned Freeman’s business associations with the Chinese government and a think tank, the Middle East Policy Council, funded in part by Saudi money.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1236676912910&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

What does that say about Nancy-Ann DeParle?

http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2009/03/white-house-health-care-reformer-is-peu.html

]]> By: stateofthedivision http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541706 stateofthedivision Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:34:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541706 Yet another side of Dennis Blair: <em>It would be difficult to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and hard to tell which combination of carrots and sticks might convince Iran's leaders to abandon that goal, the US Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, told the Senate Tuesday. According to Blair's testimony, "only an Iranian political decision" - a decision he noted could always be reversed - would "plausibly keep Iran from eventually producing nuclear weapons," as Teheran already had "the scientific, technical and industrial capacity eventually to produce nuclear weapons." "We assess convincing the Iranian leadership to forgo the eventual development of nuclear weapons will be difficult," he told the Armed Services Committee in prepared remarks. "Some combination of threats of intensified international scrutiny and pressures, along with opportunities for Iran to achieve its security and goals might - if perceived by Iran's leaders as credible - prompt Teheran to extend the halt to the above nuclear weapons-related activities. It is difficult to specify what such a combination might be." </em> http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1236676910458&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull Yet another side of Dennis Blair:

It would be difficult to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and hard to tell which combination of carrots and sticks might convince Iran’s leaders to abandon that goal, the US Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, told the Senate Tuesday.

According to Blair’s testimony, “only an Iranian political decision” – a decision he noted could always be reversed – would “plausibly keep Iran from eventually producing nuclear weapons,” as Teheran already had “the scientific, technical and industrial capacity eventually to produce nuclear weapons.”

“We assess convincing the Iranian leadership to forgo the eventual development of nuclear weapons will be difficult,” he told the Armed Services Committee in prepared remarks. “Some combination of threats of intensified international scrutiny and pressures, along with opportunities for Iran to achieve its security and goals might – if perceived by Iran’s leaders as credible – prompt Teheran to extend the halt to the above nuclear weapons-related activities. It is difficult to specify what such a combination might be.”

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1236676910458&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

]]> By: bandung http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541698 bandung Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:26:24 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541698 It is obvious most of the people posting comments here are collosal imbeciles at best. Chas Freeman was a former Ambassador to Saudi Arabia and the last of the Arabist ass kissers. Presumbaly then, the anti-Semites and anti-Zionists on these poster boards approve of Freeman's 30 years of serving the Saudi 'Royal' family anf the various pedophilic Emirate rulers in the Gulf States. One can choose to dislike Israel (that is your right in a free country) but please don't try and present Freeman as "balanced". He is anti-Israel, overtly so, and is so tied up with Arab money that he smells like a camel's behind. As for his new found role as a so-called 'Asia' hand of which he knows absolutely nothing. His new involvement with China is simply because, as with Arab countries, he is an unrepentent free trader and Chamber of Congress groupie. He will continue to sell out America to China as he has to the Arabs. For those Israel haters here who feign so much concern for the Palestinians, why not join Freeman in his quest to beg China and Saudi Arabia to finance the American debt while you continue to accuse Israel (which has a net trade loss with the US) of being a "traitor" while Freeman and his Arab and Beijing friends are supposedly American's best interests ? Grow up or shut up..... It is obvious most of the people posting comments here
are collosal imbeciles at best. Chas Freeman was a former
Ambassador to Saudi Arabia and the last of the Arabist
ass kissers. Presumbaly then, the anti-Semites and anti-Zionists on these poster boards approve of Freeman’s 30 years
of serving the Saudi ‘Royal’ family anf the various pedophilic
Emirate rulers in the Gulf States. One can choose to dislike
Israel (that is your right in a free country) but please don’t try and present Freeman as “balanced”. He is anti-Israel, overtly so, and is so tied up with Arab money
that he smells like a camel’s behind. As for his new found
role as a so-called ‘Asia’ hand of which he knows absolutely nothing. His new involvement with China is simply because, as with Arab countries, he is an unrepentent free trader and
Chamber of Congress groupie. He will continue to sell out America to China as he has to the Arabs. For those Israel
haters here who feign so much concern for the Palestinians,
why not join Freeman in his quest to beg China and Saudi
Arabia to finance the American debt while you continue
to accuse Israel (which has a net trade loss with the US)
of being a “traitor” while Freeman and his Arab and Beijing
friends are supposedly American’s best interests ? Grow up
or shut up…..

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541683 EugeneDebs Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:15:02 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541683 Any troll that thinks they ought to come in here and treat us with contempt and we have some obligation to treat THEM respectfully is a moron. They are so brainwashed by the screechmonkeys that do their thinking for them they think they ought to be able to act the same way and no one should call them on their stupidity and churlish behaviour. Welcome to the real world Any troll that thinks they ought to come in here and treat us with contempt and we have some obligation to treat THEM respectfully is a moron. They are so brainwashed by the screechmonkeys that do their thinking for them they think they ought to be able to act the same way and no one should call them on their stupidity and churlish behaviour. Welcome to the real world

]]> By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/comment-page-3/#comment-5541676 EugeneDebs Wed, 11 Mar 2009 04:12:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/10/freeman-out/#comment-5541676 Archie B Says: YOU are a joke. At least hyndsyt2020 is sincere. YOU are nothing but an ignorant punk troll. Archie B Says:

YOU are a joke. At least hyndsyt2020 is sincere. YOU are nothing but an ignorant punk troll.

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