Dennis Blair: Iran Has Not Re-Started Its Nuclear Weapons Program
Dennis Blair: Iran Has Not Re-Started Its Nuclear Weapons Program
Earlier this month, Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen made headlines when he was asked by CNN whether Iran had enough enriched uranium for a nuclear bomb. “We think they do, quite frankly,” Mullen said. This morning, Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI) asked Director of National Intelligence Dennis Blair to address the “confusion” about what the intelligence says about Iran’s weapons capacity. Blair said the intelligence community has assessed that Iran does not possess any highly-enriched uranium, and clarified that Mullen had been referring only to low-enriched uranium.
Moreover, Blair said that the 2007 National Intelligence Estimate, which judged that “in the fall of 2003 Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program,” still stands:
LEVIN: In 2007, the National Intelligence Estimate on Iran said that “the intelligence community judges with high confidence that in the fall of 2003 Tehran halted its nuclear weapons program.” Is the position of the intelligence community the same as it was back in October of ‘07? Has that changed?
BLAIR: Mr. Chairman, the nuclear weapons program is one of the three components required for deliverable system, including the delivery system and the uranium. But as for the nuclear weapons program, the current position is the same, that Iran has stopped its nuclear weapons design and weaponization activities in 2003 and did not — has not started them again, at least as of mid-2007.
Watch it:
Despite the intelligence assessments, conservatives have continued to fearmonger on Iran’s nuclear weapons capacity. Last week, John Bolton told Fox’s Sean Hannity that Iran could have a functional nuclear bomb “within a matter of six to nine months.” Just last Sunday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) insisted on Fox News Sunday that we “have information” that Iran is well on the path to a nuclear weapon:
CHRIS WALLACE: Let’s turn to foreign policy. And there is some breaking news. Iran has announced this morning that they have launched a new long-range missile. Your reaction.
MCCAIN: It’s not surprising, and it’s not surprising that we continue to have information that they have the material to make nuclear weapons. Exactly where they are is not totally clear, but they’re obviously on that trip.
Despite the repeated assessments of intelligence analysts, the right continues to spew false claims about Iran’s weapons programs.
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So the neocons need to bomb yet another country that has not hurt us in the slightest? I guess the GOP thugs simply think we have the right to destroy our country and any other country we choose. Give peace a chance.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pmGosh, “habib,” that sounds awfully familiar…
And you thought you could fool us with your clever “habib” name you secret, super special little guy!
March 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pmWell, they could be a threat. Someday. To somebody. So quick, according to the Bush Doctrine, we must annihilate, bomb, invade and occupy them!@ NOW!!! Quick!
Oh, wait. Bush broke our military, we couldn’t do that even if we had to.
never mind.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:47 pmI wonder if we would have more/better intel if Valerie Plame was still on the job.
The only thing John Bolton is an authority on is being an a$$hole.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:48 pmI think habib is secret code for bibah, which in ancient Aramaic, means jackass.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pmReminds me of knowing where the wmds are in Iraq. Wasn’t it Rumsfield who said we know exactly where they are–north east west and south of Bhagdad? He was wrong too. It’s a bad, bad deja vu.
I’m so glad McWrong is not our prez.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pmI’m surprised it took TP this long to pick up on this story. I thought for sure that after Adm. Mullen said what he said it would have been on this site the same day.
Of course I can see why TP waited until now. They were waiting for someone to refute what Mullen said.
See in the past when someone said Iran might be producing nuclear weapons, the left just dismissed it as fear mongering or the Bush administration forcing intel down the throats of their commanders and the public.
Now that Obama is in charge they can’t make those same claims. This begs the question, “Maybe the Bush administration was right all along?”
March 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pmJust last Sunday, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) insisted on Fox News Sunday that we “have information” that Iran is well on the path to a nuclear weapon:
He got his information from the housekeeper of his third. No, fourth house.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:51 pmBullies will get what they deserve. With our fragile financial system, broken military, ruined global reputation, huge challenges, multi-trillion dollar debt, etc it seems silly to keep pushing countries around as if we were an example to follow. We have conceded our right to judge any other country – given the last 8 years of Bushco.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:51 pmSo habib, you create arguments out of thin air but ignore evidence?
March 10th, 2009 at 2:51 pmSo, you make outrageous claims like All Republicans are bedwetters but still think McIIIrd’s lips arent’ squarely on Israel’s butt?
March 10th, 2009 at 2:52 pmThis clip is a must see for all.
The lying greedy blood thirsty goppers continue to spread scare tactics claiming Iran is ready and will use nuclear weapons…. to get their fix of blood, money and power back?
March 10th, 2009 at 2:53 pmHabib volunteered to ride the first bomb down out of the chute, ala Slim Pickins.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:54 pmAnother Chris, How could Bush possibly be right if his administration outed an undercover agent working on gathering intelligence on the Iranian Nuclear Programs?
March 10th, 2009 at 2:55 pm“Maybe the Bush administration was right all along?”
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March 10th, 2009 at 2:55 pmTakes deeep breath…….HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought this was March 2009. What’s with the mid-2007 talk?
March 10th, 2009 at 2:56 pmhabib Says:
Now that Obama is in charge they can’t make those same claims.
There is a whole list of charges they can’t make anymore!
Yeah, like the trumped up bullshit ones.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:56 pm#11 Flagged for flame baitting
… Nuff said!
March 10th, 2009 at 2:57 pmAll Repukes are liars.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:58 pmSo habib, what _are_ your views on the Unitary Executive?
March 10th, 2009 at 2:58 pmI have some questions for the trolls here.
1) Why should Israel be allowed to have nuclear weapons, but not Iran (and do not answer because Iran threatened to wipe Israel off the map because this is a debunked lie).
March 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pm2) Why should Israel be allowed to have long range missiles, but not Iran?
3) Which country is responsible for the deaths of the most civilians in the last two years, Israel or Iran?
4) Why should Iran be expected to sit there like an unarmed sitting duck while Israel is threatening to invade them on a daily basis?
Only one person on the whole internets is as clumsy and obvious a troll as you. You give yourself away every time you post, bright boy.
“I can’t tell you where I came across this because it would blow my cover.” — Olbermann-obsessed troll talking about ThinkProgress at J$’s Olbermann-obsessed hate site.
Oops, time for a new cover!
March 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pm2 yr old intelligence? Oh, he’s talking to Republicans, I get it now.
March 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pmHoodathunk Says:
2 yr old intelligence? Oh, he’s talking to Republicans, I get it now.
LOL…Nicely done.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pmGood spot, Trollspotter. Between posts 1 and 11, it is clear that habib = Archie B.
RUCerious Says: I think habib is secret code for bibah, which in ancient Aramaic, means jackass.
Makes sense as “habib” spelled backwards IS “bibah” and this particular troll is certainly a jackass.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:03 pmDespite the repeated assessments of intelligence analysts, the right continues to spew false claims about Iran’s weapons programs.
TP isn’t reading Israeli newspapers, nor listening to Senator John Kerry who called Iran an existential threat to Israel. Representative Howard Berman has been rabid on the Iranian threat as well. Show some intellectual honesty.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pmSo habib, why do you love Israel, yet you don’t deny you hate the USA?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pmNope, I just like exposing trolls for who they are. And it’s such a wonderful comedic train wreck to find one who’s as sloppy at concealing his identity as you.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:05 pmstateofthedivision Says:
TP isn’t reading Israeli newspapers, nor listening to Senator John Kerry who called Iran an existential threat to Israel. Representative Howard Berman has been rabid on the Iranian threat as well. Show some intellectual honesty.
In the matter of intellectual honesty, could you honestly say that the Israeli newspapers have better information about Iran’s secret weapon programs than the US Intelligence Agencies do?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pmStateofthedivision-
Israeli newspapers? I’ll admit there are definitely some hawkish democrats out there, and they should mention that, but the real fearmongering push is coming from the right. But Israeli newspapers might appear a little skewed in their own interests and paranoia.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pmTroll, switching trusses, replies:
Fred Garvin says:…(*moronic drivel*)…
March 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pmThe biggest threat to Israel today is…Israel.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:07 pmThere is still ZERO evidence that Iran is, or is capable of enriching uranium to weapons grade.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:08 pmDone.
Trolls, STFU, or refute my point.
Look habib,
March 10th, 2009 at 3:08 pmYou come here and purposefully start your diatribe(see post #11). What did you expect? Us to roll over and let you spew your b.s.?
Project what, sock puppet? What is it that you’re trying to say? Use your words.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:09 pmAdmiral Mullen spewed a false claim not long ago on CNN.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/01/mullen-says-iran-has-ability-to-make-nuclear-weapon/
Dennis Blair’s WINEAP report talks at length about Israel’s view of the Iranian threat:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1236103158937&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
March 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pmFred, why can’t you prove they are?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:11 pmThank you, fred garvin. Coming from you that is a great compliment.
While I certainly do not want Iran to get nuclear weapons, it is extremely easy to understand why they would feel it necessary to do so. They have a nuclear Israel next door. And the US President announced them as one of the three countries that make up the “axis of evil”, then attacks the neighboring country, the other one of the three without nuclear weapons while not attacking the one that has those weapons.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:11 pmLuis M, I’m saying it’s not all right wingers pushing the Iranian threat button. Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mullen said much the same thing.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pmI suspect Fred’s children are making bombs in their basement.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pmLet’s call on the Air Force to drop a bunker buster on his house while his family is eating dinner.
I don’t need any proof, but neither does Fred.
I have much work to do, my future is secure.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:12 pmRachel, is that you again? What’s up with the weird names?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pmJoin the conversation, on topic for a change???
fixated much, Fredo?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:15 pmPunishment always follows the ill-behaved at some level, my job!
March 10th, 2009 at 3:17 pmwait till we get nuked then react……
By Israel?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:17 pmhabib Says:
So, you defend terrorists like hamas, the taliban and al qaeda, but, you condemn “beating women for showing their shoulders?
I see you have your marching orders from the goppers… spin, lie, distract and change the subject.
The article is clearly stating and in a clip in Dennis Blair’s own words:
No nuclear weapons program…. get it?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:18 pmfred garvin Says:
Far left terrorist apologizing logic; wait till we get nuked then react……
Far Right terrorist-creating logic: let’s nuke them all just in case they ever think about becoming terrorists. I’m sure their relatives will think it’s OK and not go after the USA afterwards.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:18 pmThe NeoGolden Rule: Nuke onto others as you think they might nuke onto you.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:20 pmGee, if we all post the single word “bovine” at 3:23 pm today, we get to prove fred garvin wrong, again.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pmThat’s so funny because in the thread where John Bolton joked about the possibility of Chicago getting hit with a nuke, you wrote, “Rock on, Bolton!”
You’d like to see America hit with a nuke.
Every despicable thing you accuse others of you are guilty of yourself.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pmbovine
March 10th, 2009 at 3:23 pmSmart guys like Archie/habib and John Bolton don’t need “evidence” from “intelligence agencies”. They go with their gut feelings that those dirty brown people are up to no good, and so they must die. After the invasion, our troops will find their Weapons of Mass Destruction program related documents. Once those documents are shredded the world can once again breath easy.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pmstateofthedivision Says:
Luis M, I’m saying it’s not all right wingers pushing the Iranian threat button. Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Mullen said much the same thing.
He said they have enough material to make one nuclear weapon. IF such material was processed and refined, and IF Iran had continued it’s nuclear weapons program. OF these two, there is no visible proof yet.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pmFrom the NIE, page 8
G. We judge with high confidence that Iran will not be technically capable of producing
March 10th, 2009 at 3:25 pmand reprocessing enough plutonium for a weapon before about 2015.
Bovine? Oh noes, I must be a name-changing patsy too.
“I’m Brian, and so is my wife”
March 10th, 2009 at 3:25 pmBovine, Bovine, Cow spit.
Now I must be RHF too.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:25 pmRHF, I’m not too worried about Fred being obsessed. I don’t think he can stay away from his obsession with his own little bit of anatomy very long, if ya know what I mean!
Bovine! (What a great little cheer, huh?)
March 10th, 2009 at 3:27 pmOnce again, everything you accuse others of you are guilty of yourself.
Bovine.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pmfred garvin Says:
Far left terrorist apologizing logic; wait till we get nuked then react……
March 10th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
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What possible reason would Iran have for attacking either the United States or Israel with a nuclear weapon? We’re their biggest boogeymen. Without us or Israel, who would they make crowds shout “Death To -” to distract people from the domestic unemployment problem?
The only reason Iran even wanted nuclear weapons in the first place was to defend against their biggest enemy – Iraq. Since we took care of that little problem for them, Iran no longer has a need for a nuke.
What they want is nuclear power, which also not a good idea given the geologic instability of the region, but that’s a different discussion entirely.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pmCome on, fred. That’s not very original. And unless you have been crucified and then resurrected (and, no, getting pwned and then changing screen names on TP does not count), then you have nothing credible to say on the validity of my Christianity.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pmHey, it’s the fake Christian!
Says the male prostitute!
March 10th, 2009 at 3:35 pmYou’ve not a shred of proof, says the Bovine Troll, who proceeds to label me a “fake Christian” in the absence of any proof or ability to have any.
Bovine Excrement.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:35 pmfred garvin Says:
It’s fairly obvious you actually hate Christians.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
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Not to me. You’d better explain how you came to this conclusion.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:35 pmYeah, but what if Saddam Hussein gave his nukes to the Iranians? And what if they also got hold of some of his aluminum tubes and his unmanned aerial vehicles? Then they could load Saddam’s nuckuler bombs on the UAVs and fly them to Oklahoma, where they could drop them on good Republicans. Maybe you libs in San Francisco don’t care about good Christians in Oklahoma, but that because you’re unAmerican.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pmHow about post #66, bright boy. You cut and paste a post about this “Jeffy Bovine” who calls people “patsy” and then you call a poster “patsy.” Same obvious behavior from the same obvious troll.
Have you ever had your intelligence tested?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pmfred garvin, you confuse “hating Christians” with intolerance for “Christian Pharisees” or Bovine Excrement.
Gotta run but I’ll check back.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
fred garvin Says:
It’s fairly obvious you actually hate Christians.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
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Not to me. You’d better explain how you came to this conclusion.
All “fred garvin” is interested in doing is drawing attention to itself, which it has once again succeeded in. These threads are inevitably a testament to how pathetic a troll’s life really is.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:39 pmWho woke up the moronic trolls?
Or is it just the same one?
fred garvin, Urinary Execution. Yes or No?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pmExcellent point Luis M.! That’s the whole fearmongering part- the ignoring of the low-grade/high-grade discrepancy of the enriched uranium. Stateofthedivision is just doing the same conservative (AND some lameass democrats) parroting this article is trying to expose.
Stateofthedivision- are you aware of the finer points regarding this uranium? The process and technology needed to make it weapons grade? Please enlighten us with your up to date Iranian intelligence report.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pmAnd there’s that NewsHounds obsession.
Man, someone must have beaten you down soooooo hard for you to be this broken.
Was it this “Patsy” person? Did she make you cry? Did you pound your keyboard in frustration and vow to get revenge by being the most hysterically inept troll ever?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:42 pmOh, fred, while I’m gone could you write a short autobiography to post here for me? I’m sure it would have a “moo-ving” plop, er, plot.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:42 pmYou mean that War Mongering Lying Corrupt Repukes would just make crap up in order to start a war?
That’s absurd, outrageous, unbelievable, nutty talk, would never happen…
…what is it about trying to lie the country into total destruction that these idiots like so much?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:46 pmfred,
March 10th, 2009 at 3:48 pmHold me.
I’m soooooo scared!
Also- I read that link for a laugh Fred Garvin.
Bernsten slams Olbermann, and the basis of his argument is only his own sacred military service as proof of his rightness. It seems like he did help with the nuts and bolts of his mission (IED intel, etc.), but this in no way makes him an intelligence or policy expert, as he has peddled himself.
Then he admits to being a republican, but says his book was written in a ‘bi-partisan’ fashion. He also feels that he is completely correct because Russert told him he was. awesome.
I won’t even bother everyone with the intelligence of the comments.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pmIs this your attempt at gay S&M Olbermann fan fiction?
Dude, you are sooooooo obsessed with that man.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pmWhat is pathetic about American citizens discussing/debating/criticizing American action overseas? is this not a democracy?
March 10th, 2009 at 3:51 pmFYI “patsy” = Average American Patriot….blogger from Olbermann Watch and TV Newser…. not nearly as active as in past years. “bovine” applied to female bloggers by AAP and fred or who ever his strain has morphed into at this time…..
March 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pmwhat’s pathetic are the mis-informed military SMALL cogs who feel their word is gospel when they obviously haven’t got a clue of any bigger picture.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pmfred, while I’m spooning ya,
Urinary Execution.
For or Against?
I’ll wait.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pmThanks for that. I’ve seen AAP post around, and I noticed “fred” steal his name here at ThinkProgress, but I didn’t know that AAP was the “Patsy” he’s so stuck on.
March 10th, 2009 at 3:56 pmFor you to be so obsessed with this poster all this time, my goodness…
He must have DESTROYED you.
You poor, poor, sad little man.
March 10th, 2009 at 4:01 pmfred larvae says:
Quite the opposite, pal.
You mean, you’re a poor, poor, sad little woman?
March 10th, 2009 at 4:07 pmNo, seriously. You say he lied. Well, you lie. We both know that. You say he smeared. You smear, too. And you post under a huge number of names.
You’ve decided to emulate him.
Whatever part of you believed in not lying, not smearing, not posting under hundreds of names is gone. DESTROYED. He took that from you.
Now you’re just trying to do what he did.
It’s a bit like a victim of child abuse becoming an abuser, no?
Man, the power you gave him. It’s sad. I’m sorry to hear it, Jeffy. Truly.
March 10th, 2009 at 4:09 pmFred Garvin/Archie Blowsgoats/habib – what an unbelievable loser you are.
Go back to blowing goats, we won’t miss you and the goat likes it.
March 10th, 2009 at 4:09 pmFred-
Your link and post seem to advocate that there be no criticism by anyone other than those boots on the ground re: foreign policy decisions. If the American military is still beholden to the democracy from it comes, isn’t it pretty important that we have public debate and criticism to ensure a workable policy- informed by historians, specialists, international agencies, non-profits?
Wouldn’t that blog imply a milataristic elitism that could possibly not see the forest for the trees? Perhaps making sweeping statements like-
Al Qaeda and the Taliban torture, rape and kill all Westerners who fall under their control.
that they use to justify their actions, with all kinds of negative consequences?
March 10th, 2009 at 4:09 pmArchie BHead!
March 10th, 2009 at 4:15 pmI missed you!
Bang any good nurse practitioners lately?
What was his name, anyways?
fred garvin Says:
Though I had retired from the CIA in 2005,
The CIA does not employ idiots….of which you are one.
Can this cretin tell a believable lie or what…..NO.
March 10th, 2009 at 4:15 pmHow so?
Did you troll, lie, smear and use sock puppets before you tangled with AAP? Or did you feel so small in your clashes with him that you vowed to try to make others feel as badly as you did?
Serious question.
March 10th, 2009 at 4:16 pmSeriously, “fred” (or Jeffy or whatever you want me to call you), help me out on this if you can.
You clearly didn’t appreciate AAP lying, smearing or using sock puppets. I get that. But now you lie, you smear, and you use sock puppets. The same tactics you didn’t like.
If you believe it was morally wrong for AAP to be a troll on Olbermann Watch, then you should realize it’s morally wrong for you to be a troll here.
If you believe it’s morally right for you to be a troll here, then it was morally right for AAP to do what he did as well.
Which is it?
March 10th, 2009 at 4:26 pmWTF is fred so paranoid about?
I mean, besides being caught changing it’s name.
I feel like I’m witnessing a severe paranoia anxiety attack online.
Xanax, fred?
March 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pmThis just in on Fox News. Iran has hired Ichibung, world leader in miniaturization and has plans for making nuclear suppositories. They plan to market them in the US under the brand name “Rush’s Kiss”.
Film at 11.
March 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pmWell, I’m pretty sure “fred” doesn’t like to be thought of that way, because yesterday he objected to being pegged as the kind of guy who hates Democrats simply because they’re Democrats and loves Republicans simply because they’re Republicans.
But he absolutely seems to think that a troll who lies, smears and uses sock puppets is a bad person when doing so at a red blog, but the same behavior is the mark of a good person when done at a blue blog.
Is that about right, fred?
March 10th, 2009 at 4:36 pmAnd you are so sneaky that you got here first!
March 10th, 2009 at 4:38 pmWell, a troll is someone who posts somewhere he’s not wanted for the purpose of disrupting conversations. I’ve never done this. I don’t post on red blogs. Ever. So, no, I don’t consider myself a troll.
Why do you ask?
March 10th, 2009 at 4:40 pmWhy is it that domestic terrorists are always good Christian Republican white men? Fred, you are a good Christian Republican white man. Want to field that one?
March 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pmFred, let’s try to keep relevant by sticking to something a little more current than the 1960’s, shall we. Now, why are conservative Republicans becoming domestic terrorists?
March 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pmThat’s not true. For example, on this thread, which was about Meghan McCain standing up to Ann Coulter, I commended the young woman for saying, “I don’t believe in scare tactics and would never condone or encourage anyone calling President Obama a Muslim.” I wrote that it was refreshing to see that. Completely on topic.
March 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pmthats the inside of your head fred. how embarassing…
March 10th, 2009 at 4:49 pmfred, now that I’ve established that I don’t meet your definition of a troll, would you please be so kind as to explain why you think it’s good for you to do lie, smear and use sock puppets on a blue blog, but it was not good for AAP to do the same on a red blog?
March 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pmdred garmin says:
Sep 11, 2001 … ”I don’t regret setting bombs,” Bill Ayers said. ”I feel we didn’t do enough.”
Wow. Two unrelated events.
Here. I got another one:
“Ask not what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for our country”….
March 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pmPee Wee Herman caught exposing himself in an adult cinema.
The Party of Fear indeed.
March 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pmFred, we all know why the Weather Underground blew up a statue and damaged a building. They were pissed off about the Vietnam War.
I want to know what is going on with right-wing Republicans these days that makes them want to commit acts of terrorism that kill their fellow Americans. Since you are a right-wing extremist, I thought you could shed some light on this phenomena. Care to enlighten us, or is it a big secret?
March 10th, 2009 at 4:53 pmIt looks like Fred isn’t going to share the secret of right-wing domestic terrorism with us. But, I blieve you might have hit on something. Republicans believe we should torture because al Qaeda tortures. Perhaps they are using al Qaeda as their role model in terrorism as well. Or, it could be a rivalry thing. Maybe these wingnuts are trying to outdo al Qaeda in terrorism, just like they want outdo them in torture.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:00 pmrepugs still want their WW3.
Iran should defend their life and people.
Iran should have a few nukes too…7 to Israel’s 400.
Will Israel bomb the hell out of Gaza during our Spring Break? Remember we “American” will forget all about the most recent, sneaky bs chimpy’s thumbs-ups (again) Palestine massacre.
Sorry Israel you too must play fair now. You won’t see a US repug anything ever again.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pmIs this true, fred?
I know you don’t like being thought of as a moral relativist, but the evidence just keeps piling up.
It’s wrong to lie, smear and use sockpuppets on red blogs because they’re red. It’s right to lie, smear and use sockpuppets on blue blogs because they’re blue.
Don’t you have a deeper sense of morality than that?
You didn’t like it when it was done to you, but you like it when you do it to others.
I guess you just don’t believe in the Golden Rule.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:07 pmYou’re upset that Ayers killed a bunch of leftie war protesters. Gotcha.
fred, I’ve got things to do, so I’ll have to catch up with you later. Please try and think about the Golden Rule between now and then. If you didn’t like what AAP did to you at Olbermann Watch, why do you insist on trying to be like him as much as possible?
March 10th, 2009 at 5:20 pmOh, and a “dirty bomb” means nuclear material, trying to irradiate as many innocent human beings as possible. The Weathermen were trying to blow up an empty building with a conventional bomb and they hurt themselves by mistake. It wasn’t a good thing to do, but they’re hardly the same thing.
Bye for now.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pmfred garvin, to get back on topic: Do you think the only country that has used a nuclear weapon should threaten a country, declare that that country should not have a nuclear weapon, and accuse that country of developing a nuclear weapon?
March 10th, 2009 at 5:22 pm#196
fred garvin Says:
Patsy, two words….blue steel.
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Really don’t know if this is supposed to be a porno reference or what. If it’s a threat, then you should be careful.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pmSeems to me that a sovereign nation with powerful enemies might have good reason to seek a deterent…
March 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pmNow, that sounds like a threat.
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To a paranoid schizoid it would sound like a threat.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pmTo: fred gavin
From: “fake” Christian
Re: United Methodist Church stance on nuclear weapons
The General Conference Resolution 318, “The United Methodist Church and Peace” unconditionally rejects “any use of nuclear weapons” and supports multilateral disarmament efforts through international treaties – Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty, Chemical Weapons and Biological Weapons Conventions, and Ban of Anti-Personnel Land Mines convention – as the best means of insuring lasting and comprehensive disarmament.
P.S. fred, I don’t believe the US is in a moral position to argue that Iran should not have nuclear weapons. What is your opinion?
March 10th, 2009 at 5:37 pm#254 republicans hate facts Says:
pastcaring Says:
Really don’t know if this is supposed to be a porno reference or what. If it’s a threat, then you should be careful.
WHAT THREAT is this? I have NO IDEA what this LUNATIC SAYS half the time.
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Me neither. I’ve been trying to piece it together, but he/she/it makes about as much sense as dog poop that’s been rained on.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:37 pmActually dog poop that’s been rained on makes more sense; it’s current state can actually be understood.
Fred, I suppose you are trying to equate the 1960’s anti-war group with today’s right-wing fundamentalist Christian Republican terrorists. Truthfully, I think it is a poor analogy. A closer comparison could be drawn with al Qaeda, given that both US right-wing terrorists, and al Qaeda are based in conservative ideology, and religious fundamentalism, and both groups are strong advocates of torture.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:48 pmWho do you believe Bush/Cheney/McCain who never lie or Iran? Iran has every right to have Nuclear Plants like other countries but by the US Govenment feeding lies it’s worked for 8 years. Some Americans still believe Saddam had WMD’s while live on TV the UN showed the only WMD’s Iraq had came from the United States of America with the ID numbers and they were rusted they were so old. But as the Bush Administration and the GOP feed the bull S*** the American people believed every word the President said even years later the kool aide drinking public still believe. Bush is such a good liar with is GOP friends now the Media is reporting it was Tim Geithner who caused the Stock Market Crash and it was President Obama who for 8 years brought us into a Recession with his Policies. Talk about dumbing down of America you can’t make this stuff up.
March 10th, 2009 at 5:51 pmTypical left wing nut job/coward.
Reporting for duty, sir!
March 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pmI have my doubts that Iran had a nuclear weapons program in 2003. If I remember correctly, that was based on smoking laptop intelligence—during the Bush administration. That’s dicey. Meanwhile, as I’ve said many times, the Ayatollah of Iran has issued a fatwah against nuclear weapons. He’s their supreme leader.
Ignoring Israel’s nukes and paranoia while getting hysterical over the possibility of Iran developing a nuclear weapon is insane. It would be wise to normalize relations with Iran and stop this bad theater.
March 10th, 2009 at 6:14 pmfred garvin Says:
Yep a BOMB designed to DO VANDALISM! ;)
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So, if I made a bomb and “accidentally” killed people would you apologize for me, too?
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And yet they never DID kill anyone except themselves which means they took care NOT TO. What YOU ought to appologize for is being so stupid.
March 10th, 2009 at 6:28 pmfred garvin Says:
Typical left wing nut job/coward.
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This from a typical bedwetting rightwing moron. You are so stupid every time I read one of your posts it has my braincells begging for the sweet release of a coma
March 10th, 2009 at 6:29 pmGarvin you are a snivelling little punk. An ignorant brainwashed troll with the intellectual capacity of a dustmite. Take your diseased inferior excuse for a brain with the rest of your disgusting presence back to your bridge and let the actual adults have a real conversation
March 10th, 2009 at 6:34 pmYou guys are still whacking that troll?
Remember he posted this
fred garvin Says:
Though I had retired from the CIA in 2005,
Sorta says it all, he is delusional, typical reichwing nut job, on Tuesdays he thinks he’s Clint Eastwood in The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly.
March 10th, 2009 at 6:35 pmFor some reason, Bush didn’t include right-wing hate groups in his terrorist watchlist:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2005/apr2005/terr-a25.shtml
March 10th, 2009 at 7:29 pmEugeneDebs Says:
So, if I made a bomb and “accidentally” killed people would you apologize for me, too?
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If you made a bomb and killed YOURSELF which is what THEY did I would most likely dance on your grave
March 10th, 2009 at 7:49 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
habib Says:
So, you defend terrorists like hamas, the taliban and al qaeda, but, you condemn “beating women for showing their shoulders?”
ROTFL!! Yeah, I GO AROUND *DEFENDING* RADICAL CONSERVATIVES!! Put DOWN the METH PIPE and STEP AWAY FROM JABBA THE JUNKIE – LUNATIC MORON!! ROTFL!!
To ME you RABID RADICALS ARE *ALL-THE-SAME-RELIGIOUS-IDIOTS*! ;)
All that hate.
March 10th, 2009 at 10:22 pmJackie Says:
Who do you believe Bush/Cheney/McCain who never lie or Iran? Iran has every right to have Nuclear Plants like other countries but by the US Govenment feeding lies it’s worked for 8 years. Some Americans still believe Saddam had WMD’s
“One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them.
That is our bottom line.”
President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998-This was a quote from President Clinton during a presentation at the Pentagon defending a decision to conduct military strikes against Iraq.
“Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face.”
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
This is a quote from Albright during an appearance at Ohio State University by Albright, who was Secretary of State for Bill Clinton.
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002-
Part of a speech he gave at Johns Hopkins.
“I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force– if necessary– to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
Senator Kerry’s comments were made to the Senate as part of the same debate over the resolution to use force against Saddam Hussein.
Want More?
March 10th, 2009 at 10:32 pm“He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his
chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do” Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002-Truth!
Senator Waxman’s contribution to the Senate debate over going to war.
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
Senator Clinton acknowledged the threat of Saddam Hussein but said she did not feel that using force at that time was a good option.
“Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process.”
Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
“There is no doubt that … Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs
continue a pace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies.”
Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
“We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country.”
Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
“We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.”
Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
“The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998.
We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities.
Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons…”
Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
“In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
March 10th, 2009 at 10:39 pmweapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program.
He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members
It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons.”
Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
All these people whispering in GW’s ear. Do you think it had some kind of influence in judging the Intel he was getting?
Hmmmm.
March 10th, 2009 at 10:42 pmhmmmm? whispering?
I tell ya what, jay. You log in under the same name for at least 6 months, and maybe, just maybe someone will take you seriously.
March 10th, 2009 at 10:56 pmalpuz3 Says:
hmmmm? whispering?
I tell ya what, jay. You log in under the same name for at least 6 months, and maybe, just maybe someone will take you seriously.
Sorry Pal. My post is what it is. You like facts, right?
March 10th, 2009 at 10:58 pmWhat fact are you so desperately attempting to provide? That in one thread alone you have logged in and posted under 3 different names? That’s just one thread in one day. Why do you refuse to seek help?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:04 pmalpuz3 Says:
What fact are you so desperately attempting to provide? That in one thread alone you have logged in and posted under 3 different names? That’s just one thread in one day. Why do you refuse to seek help?
Only one name Pal. I posted what your Democrat leaders were saying about Iraq in reply to Jackie.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:06 pmTrajan is that you? I thought you got banned?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:07 pmjay, you confused unenlightened gas bag of an individual. Would you also provide some of the “intelligence” that was provided at the same time these quotes were spoken?
Where are all of the “conservative” quotes? Why do you refuse to provide a context? Why, for the love of the flying spaghetti monster do you continue to post the same sh*t over and over again under different names? Why do you think you are entitled to any respect?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:12 pmTrajan it is you. How’d it feel to get booted.
OBTW Trajan all the quotes are referenced by the dates and where they were spoken.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:14 pmSweet jebus, man… you have totally lost it.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:14 pmHa Ha Ha Ha Ha. Lets go down to “The Basement”
March 10th, 2009 at 11:16 pmTrajan.
You can change your name but you can’t change who you are Trajan.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:17 pmWhat do you mean by that, jay?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:19 pmRight.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:20 pmYou mean… Right?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:21 pmjay Says:
Do you think those quotes made some kind of point? I didnt want anyone TRUSTING Iraq that didnt mean the only option was to INVADE Iraq also those were A) broad statements of belief whereas BUSH told flat out LIES. Specific outright LIES. Like when he MADE UP AN IAEA report that never existed to claim their position was that Iraq was six months from a nuclear weapon in 98 when their actual position then was that they had destroyed Iraqs nuclear capability in 91 and had seen no evidence it had been rebuilt. Or sending 12 reports to Congress and continually telling the American people the Aluminum tubes could ONLY be used for Gas Centrifuges when they had a one year old study by OUR OWN SCIENTIFIC GC experts who didnt believe they would be used that way at ALL much less could ONLY be used for gas centrifuges. B) Those quotes were from BEFORE the inspectors were back IN Iraq and all new intelligence was telling us something else. The right keeps TRYING this weak argument and that dog wont hunt. Bush LIED about Iraq it is just that simple. IF you want to blame Dems too I dont care, I am not a Dem but Bush DEFINITLY LIED ABOUT IRAQ.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:22 pmNo I mean Right.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:22 pmWhat do you mean, Right?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:23 pmEugeneDebs Says:
Do you think those quotes made some kind of point? I didnt want anyone TRUSTING Iraq that didnt mean the only option was to INVADE Iraq also those were A) broad statements of belief whereas BUSH told flat out LIES. Specific outright LIES. Like when he MADE UP AN IAEA report that never existed to claim their position was that Iraq was six months from a nuclear weapon in 98 when their actual position then was that they had destroyed Iraqs nuclear capability in 91 and had seen no evidence it had been rebuilt. Or sending 12 reports to Congress and continually telling the American people the Aluminum tubes could ONLY be used for Gas Centrifuges when they had a one year old study by OUR OWN SCIENTIFIC GC experts who didnt believe they would be used that way at ALL much less could ONLY be used for gas centrifuges. B) Those quotes were from BEFORE the inspectors were back IN Iraq and all new intelligence was telling us something else. The right keeps TRYING this weak argument and that dog wont hunt. Bush LIED about Iraq it is just that simple. IF you want to blame Dems too I dont care, I am not a Dem but Bush DEFINITLY LIED ABOUT IRAQ.
I think I did, didn’t I?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:24 pmjay Says:
There is no such thing as a Democrat leader you ignorant brainwashed punk. That would be a DemocratIC leader. That is not a RePUNKlican. Since you are so stupid you dont even know the name of the largest political party in America why waste our time with your petty ignornat trolling?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:24 pmalpuz3 Says:
What do you mean, Right?
Just what I said. Right.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:25 pmEugeneDebs Says:
jay Says:
There is no such thing as a Democrat leader you ignorant brainwashed punk. That would be a DemocratIC leader. That is not a RePUNKlican. Since you are so stupid you dont even know the name of the largest political party in America why waste our time with your petty ignornat trolling?
Name calling right from the start. Who is the ignorant one?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:26 pmalpuz3 Says:
long day, jay?
Not really Trajan, and you?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:26 pmlong day, jay?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:26 pm“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime He presents a
March 10th, 2009 at 11:30 pmparticularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003
Tell me more about the Democrat traitors who sold out our country to invade a country and fool a nation into believing that Iraq was a genuine threat, jay.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:32 pmalpuz3 Says:
Tell me more about the Democrat traitors who sold out our country to invade a country and fool a nation into believing that Iraq was a genuine threat, jay.
Read what I posted Trajan. I didn’t say it, they did.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:35 pm…I need more. There’s a battle to be won, jay. I need more information. Please help a brother out. Give up your goods.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:36 pmI could care less about your “battle to be won”. Fight your own battles Trajan.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:38 pmLook, jay… Let’s not get personal here. If you and I are going to take this web-site down, I’m going to need more info!
It’s that simple… Why are you getting hostile? Need I remind you, the movement is bigger than the mover?
Give up your goods, jay.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:42 pmalpuz3 Says:
Look, jay… Let’s not get personal here. If you and I are going to take this web-site down, I’m going to need more info!
It’s that simple… Why are you getting hostile? Need I remind you, the movement is bigger than the mover?
Give up your goods, jay.
Nothing personal Trajan. I’m not interested in taking this site down. I’m a member here. No hostility either. If I remember right you said I wasn’t going to be taken seriously until I signed on here for 6 months. Then you implied that I was posting under other names.
Who is hostile?
March 10th, 2009 at 11:46 pmWell good for you, jay. You are now on the right path. I look forward to all of your contributions. It will be a wonderful 6 months, and I believe you have taken great pains to insure your future here is a productive one.
godspeed, jay.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:49 pmalpuz3 Says:
Well good for you, jay. You are now on the right path. I look forward to all of your contributions. It will be a wonderful 6 months, and I believe you have taken great pains to insure your future here is a productive one.
godspeed, jay.
HUH? I am on my path. I have been for most of my life. I don’t need someone’s approval to do what I do, think or say.
Why don’t you visit me in “The Basement”.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:52 pmjay, that was a compliment…
March 10th, 2009 at 11:54 pmjay Says:
I think I did, didn’t I?
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That depends. Since your post lacks coherence I cant say for sure IF you mean you DID blame the Dems sure you did. Let me join you. They deserve some of the blame if you mean you made a point. No you didnt. You didnt even come close.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:55 pmEugeneDebs Says:
jay Says:
I think I did, didn’t I?
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That depends. Since your post lacks coherence I cant say for sure IF you mean you DID blame the Dems sure you did. Let me join you. They deserve some of the blame if you mean you made a point. No you didnt. You didnt even come close.
Of course I didn’t. Not in your mind. At least I didn’t call you names. My post was to jackie, not you.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:57 pmjay Says:
Name calling right from the start. Who is the ignorant one?
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YOU are. There is no question YOU are the ignorant one. You brainwashed and very stupid troll. Your petty and stupid little snide name for the DemocratIC party shows that with no room for doubt. Its stupid. Its petty and you are a punk. Rush said it and as stupid as YOU are you thought it was clever. It isnt, its just pathetic and petty but then again you are a moron. Give me a break about name calling while YOU arent calling the Democratic party by its legitimate name you ignorant weasel.
March 10th, 2009 at 11:58 pmjay appears to be misunderstood?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:01 amEugeneDebs Says:
jay Says:
Name calling right from the start. Who is the ignorant one?
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YOU are. There is no question YOU are the ignorant one. You brainwashed and very stupid troll. Your petty and stupid little snide name for the DemocratIC party shows that with no room for doubt. Its stupid. Its petty and you are a punk. Rush said it and as stupid as YOU are you thought it was clever. It isnt, its just pathetic and petty but then again you are a moron. Give me a break about name calling while YOU arent calling the Democratic party by its legitimate name you ignorant weasel.
OK. Very intelligent.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:01 amjay Says:
Of course I didn’t. Not in your mind. At least I didn’t call you names. My post was to jackie, not you.
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You want a private conversation get a phone number. What you post on a message board is public. No you just acted the jerk. Being a petty and ignorant troll. Everyone knows what is being done when you talk about the Democrat party you ignorant punk troll. Its petty, its weak and its stupid. What a hollow and sad life you must have to get some kick out of showing how pathetic you are coming here just to push our buttons and try to annoy us. You are stupid. That might be calling you a name, its on the same par as talking about the Democrat party, it is also a plain statement of fact. I know you think you ought to just get a pass being a jerk. I dont think I will go along with that.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:02 amrepublicans hate facts Says:
Yeah, NEVER MIND that INTELLIGENCE FOLKS have CONFIRMED that that WHITE HOUSE *PUSHED* for the OUTCOME THEY *WANTED*! You’re a DELUSIONAL F**KING MORON!
OK
March 11th, 2009 at 12:03 am…and an innocent victim?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:03 amjay Says:
OK. Very intelligent.
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As opposed to YOU using a derisive name for the Democratic Party? Yeah that really raised the level of intellectual discourse didnt it? I guess you like to dish it out, thinking you are clever while being pathetic but you dont like taking it. TOUGH.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:05 amEugeneDebs Says:
jay Says:
You want a private conversation get a phone number. What you post on a message board is public. No you just acted the jerk. Being a petty and ignorant troll. Everyone knows what is being done when you talk about the Democrat party you ignorant punk troll. Its petty, its weak and its stupid. What a hollow and sad life you must have to get some kick out of showing how pathetic you are coming here just to push our buttons and try to annoy us. You are stupid. That might be calling you a name, its on the same par as talking about the Democrat party, it is also a plain statement of fact. I know you think you ought to just get a pass being a jerk. I dont think I will go along with that.
Nice. Hey, I’m a member here just like you and I treat you with a great deal of respect. Sorry about your obsession with calling people names. Upbringing?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:07 amjay, gimme some more ammo… what else did the “Democrats” do to bog us down in Iraq? C’mon! You have got to have more… how in the h*ll did they get us waist deep in this horsesh*t?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:08 am… or even neck deep?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:09 amEugeneDebs Says:
jay Says:
OK. Very intelligent.
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As opposed to YOU using a derisive name for the Democratic Party? Yeah that really raised the level of intellectual discourse didnt it? I guess you like to dish it out, thinking you are clever while being pathetic but you dont like taking it. TOUGH.
Are you a Democrat or a Democratic? Taking what? Names calling? Doesn’t bother me one bit, how about you?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:11 amalpuz3 Says:
jay, gimme some more ammo… what else did the “Democrats” do to bog us down in Iraq? C’mon! You have got to have more… how in the h*ll did they get us waist deep in this horsesh*t?
Too many people advising GW on what to do. Not just the Republicans either.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:12 amjay! I need more from you!!! what are we doing here? Throw this dog a freakin’ bone… what else can we pin on the Democrats?!?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:13 amalpuz3 Says:
jay! I need more from you!!! what are we doing here? Throw this dog a freakin’ bone… what else can we pin on the Democrats?!?
Trajan, don’t you think I can see that you’re baiting me. Hey how about you telling me. How’s that?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:16 amjay Says:
Nice. Hey, I’m a member here just like you and I treat you with a great deal of respect. Sorry about your obsession with calling people names. Upbringing?
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YOU are a liar. What was that Democrat leader thing? We all know what that is. You can try your stupid routine if you want you ARE stupid. WE arent. It is contemptuous to use a derisive name for a person or organization instead of their real name. You know it. I know it. Rush knew it when he started the idiocy and you lapped it up like one of Pavlovs dogs that is NOT treating us with respect. I was brought up to think for myself an not allow morons to treat me disrespectfully and ask if I can please have another. Some people dont mind being doormats I am not one of those people. Your false mask of civility that you hide behind like a coward while being contemptuous and derisive is not any better than my honest hostility. It is just more dishonest.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:19 amNancy Pelosi??? Harry Reid… the gawd d*amned democrat congress taking our nation to war over what? bad intel?
That’s what I have, jay! I’m just a little bit more than upset… what about teh ghey mouse in SAN FRANSISCO?
***nudge nudge***
Or how about the mega fast expressway to a brothel in Las Vegas?!? This is the kind of stuff that needs to be front and freakin’ center!!!
jay, let us get on the same page here… okay?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:23 amrepublicans hate facts Says:
jay Says:
“Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime He presents a
particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation … And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his
continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction
So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real …”
Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan.23.2003
That’s WHAT HAPPENS when the PRESIDENT is an IRRESPONSIBLE FASCIST FOOL that FABRICATES intelligence! What’s YOUR EXCUSE for being such an IGNORANT J*CK*SS you don’t KNOW THIS? ;)
Hey, they’re John Kerry’s words not mine.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:24 am***wink**
March 11th, 2009 at 12:26 amjay Says:
Are you a Democrat or a Democratic? Taking what? Names calling? Doesn’t bother me one bit, how about you?
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Play stupid all you want. Maybe you ARE that stupid. WE are not. The name of the largest political party in the US is the DemocratIC party and Democrat Party is a slur. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows this. Either you are willfully ignorant, astonishingly stupid or petty. Whatever it is matters not to me. Its a slur. Pretend that because a memeber IS a Democrat means its ok but again that is the false mask of civility hiding contempt and derision. Either you are a moron or a punk. I dont care which.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:27 amalpuz3 Says:
Nancy Pelosi??? Harry Reid… the gawd d*amned democrat congress taking our nation to war over what? bad intel?
That’s what I have, jay! I’m just a little bit more than upset… what about teh ghey mouse in SAN FRANSISCO?
***nudge nudge***
Or how about the mega fast expressway to a brothel in Las Vegas?!? This is the kind of stuff that needs to be front and freakin’ center!!!
jay, let us get on the same page here… okay?
So that is what you think Trajan. I don’t usually fall into the “Talking points” trap. My opinion on the train thing is that I’ll wait to see if it happens before I make a comment on it.
If you are referring to Prop 8 then I have to say that the same election results that elected Obama also voted in San Francisco on Prop 8.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:29 amTP missed the rest of the story:
It would be difficult to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons and hard to tell which combination of carrots and sticks might convince Iran’s leaders to abandon that goal, the US Director of National Intelligence, Dennis Blair, told the Senate Tuesday.
According to Blair’s testimony, “only an Iranian political decision” – a decision he noted could always be reversed – would “plausibly keep Iran from eventually producing nuclear weapons,” as Teheran already had “the scientific, technical and industrial capacity eventually to produce nuclear weapons.”
“We assess convincing the Iranian leadership to forgo the eventual development of nuclear weapons will be difficult,” he told the Armed Services Committee in prepared remarks. “Some combination of threats of intensified international scrutiny and pressures, along with opportunities for Iran to achieve its security and goals might – if perceived by Iran’s leaders as credible – prompt Teheran to extend the halt to the above nuclear weapons-related activities. It is difficult to specify what such a combination might be.”
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1236676910458&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
March 11th, 2009 at 12:31 amEugeneDebs Says:
jay Says:
Are you a Democrat or a Democratic? Taking what? Names calling? Doesn’t bother me one bit, how about you?
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Play stupid all you want. Maybe you ARE that stupid. WE are not. The name of the largest political party in the US is the DemocratIC party and Democrat Party is a slur. Anyone with two brain cells to rub together knows this. Either you are willfully ignorant, astonishingly stupid or petty. Whatever it is matters not to me. Its a slur. Pretend that because a memeber IS a Democrat means its ok but again that is the false mask of civility hiding contempt and derision. Either you are a moron or a punk. I dont care which.
You get upset with the term Democrat but think nothing of personally calling another person all those names.
You say that the Democratic party “is the largest Political party in the US”. How many are there compared to other political parties?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:35 amThat really did little to nothing for our cause, jay…
March 11th, 2009 at 12:36 amYou’re holding back on me, and I understand.
stateofthedivision Says:
That isnt the rest of the story. Khameini IS one of the two most powerful politicians IN Iran and he put a Fatwa on nuclear weapons. He said no nation has a right to have them. What they would LIKE in their dreams and what they can accomplish are not the same conversation. Khameinis fatwa makes a nuclear program a political practical impossibility in the near term. When he dies things might change but that means we have about a decade to deal with them. I applaud the idea they arent just trusting Iran. That is good. The tough talk is part of the tactical dynamics what is NOT IN ANY WAY CHANGED is that we dont think that NOW they have a nuclear progra.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:36 amalpuz3 Says:
That really did little to nothing for our cause, jay…
You’re holding back on me, and I understand.
I told you Trajan, I don’t have a cause Left or Right. My cause is to enjoy my 1st amendment rights and post what I think.
That’s why I’m a member here.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:39 amjay Says:
You get upset with the term Democrat but think nothing of personally calling another person all those names.
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What I think nothing of is returning serve. Returning HONEST hostility for vieled contempt and derision from trolls.
You say that the Democratic party “is the largest Political party in the US”. How many are there compared to other political parties?
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Look it up yourself. I have no obligation to do your research for you. What there is NO DISPUTE about is that it IS the largest political pary in the US.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:39 amyou keep saying that… who are you trying to convince?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:41 amLook it up yourself. I have no obligation to do your research for you. What there is NO DISPUTE about is that it IS the largest political pary in the US.
Aren’t you the one who keeps yelling for people to back up their statements? I just thought you might do the same. No matter, I understand, different standards thing, right?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:42 amalpuz3 Says:
jay Says:
That’s why I’m a member here.
you keep saying that… who are you trying to convince?
Why are you here Trajan?
March 11th, 2009 at 12:43 amjay, gimme the goods on the democrats?!? c’mon… how did they get us bogged down in Iraq? How did they bankrupt our society? How did they bring down the economy and trick us into voting them into power?
goods, jay… I need the ammo.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:46 amalpuz3 Says:
jay, gimme the goods on the democrats?!? c’mon… how did they get us bogged down in Iraq? How did they bankrupt our society? How did they bring down the economy and trick us into voting them into power?
goods, jay… I need the ammo.
Sorry Trajan, I’m not playing your game.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:52 amexcellent.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:53 amjay Says:
Aren’t you the one who keeps yelling for people to back up their statements? I just thought you might do the same. No matter, I understand, different standards thing, right?
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Reallly? Do you really need evidence the sky is blue? REALLY? Anyone marginally aquainted with politics KNOWS this is a fact. I guess you are still going with your playing stupid act. Maybe you arent pretending OK
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/party_affiliation/partisan_trends
Currently, 40.8% of Americans say they are Democrats and 33.6% say they are Republicans. A month ago, those figures were 40.9% and 32.8% respectively.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_(United_States)
An August 2008 estimate is that 51% of registered voters, including independents, lean toward the Democratic Party and 38% lean toward the Republican Party
Do you need someone to chew your food for you too? I am not available. I ask people to back up their baseless assertions or questionable assertions not something as widely known as this
March 11th, 2009 at 12:58 amHey Trajan, you two call each other names for a while. It’s late and I’m going to get some sleep.
See ya. Hey Eugene try some of your madness on Trajan here. He enjoys it.
March 11th, 2009 at 12:59 amjay Says:
See ya. Hey Eugene try some of your madness on Trajan here. He enjoys it.
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You are a punk and you are a troll. He is calling you on your obvious stupidity. Keep pretending that your derisiveness and contempt are you being respectful. YOU might be that stupid. WE are not. I am just not as dishonest as you.
March 11th, 2009 at 1:01 amjay… good night. are you trying to confuse, or are you just confused? madness? tell me about it… “jay”
March 11th, 2009 at 1:04 am“Democrats still hold a 48% to 40% lead among registered voters, and a modest lead of 47%-43% among likely voters.”
Actually…”An August 2008 estimate is that 51% of registered voters, including independents, lean toward the Democratic Party and 38% lean toward the Republican Party.” The original answer was taken from Pew Research in 2006.
Eugene, I already knew this. I just wanted to keep you honest.
Do you need someone to chew your food for you too? I am not available. I ask people to back up their baseless assertions or questionable assertions not something as widely known as this
I’m just like you Eugene. Strange huh. People should back up their statements.
March 11th, 2009 at 1:05 amEugeneDebs Says:
You are a punk and you are a troll. He is calling you on your obvious stupidity. Keep pretending that your derisiveness and contempt are you being respectful. YOU might be that stupid. WE are not. I am just not as dishonest as you.
My posts speak for themselves. I have restraint unlike you.
No name calling like you. It just shows a persons upbringing.
March 11th, 2009 at 1:07 amheh.. upbringing. thanks, jay. I’ll be sure to use that one.
March 11th, 2009 at 1:09 amjay Says:
I’m just like you Eugene. Strange huh. People should back up their statements.
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You are ridiculous. This is why you are a troll. You are just a button pushing moron and have no desire for discussion. People should back up their statements IF they are in any way questionable. THIS is like backing up the statement there are fifty states. It would make every post a chore. The sky is blue wait I guess Jay thinks I need to back that statement up. You are being a punk again. This passive aggressive idiocy does nothing to further discussion. You THINK you are being clever and manipulating us when in fact you just show how stupid and pathetic you are.
March 11th, 2009 at 7:02 amjay Says:
My posts speak for themselves. I have restraint unlike you.
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YOU are a liar. What you show is your contempt for us. What you show is you are a troll not trying to have a discussion but messing with us. That isnt restraint. How many times do I need to point out we arent as stupid as you? You arent fooling anyone. You are a button pushing troll.
No name calling like you. It just shows a persons upbringing.
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Like your passive aggressive nonsense hiding your contempt and derision behind a false mask of psuedocivility is somehow better than my honest hostility? NO it is just more dishonest. YOU are dishonest. THAT is why your petty Demcrat leader stupidity. THAT is why you asked me to back up a statement any adult marginally informed about politics knows and you ALREADY knew. YOU are a punk. You can pretend that as you treat US with contempt we have an obligation to treat YOU respectfully. I was brought up to fight fire WITH fire. It matters not to me if you are a coward who prefers to be sneaky with his trollish contempt. It still calls for the same treatment. I couldnt possibly care less if you like it or not. I guess YOU were brought up to be a coward and a sneaky, petty little punk.
March 11th, 2009 at 7:06 amEugeneDebs Says:
jay Says:
My posts speak for themselves. I have restraint unlike you.
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YOU are a liar. What you show is your contempt for us. What you show is you are a troll not trying to have a discussion but messing with us. That isnt restraint. How many times do I need to point out we arent as stupid as you? You arent fooling anyone. You are a button pushing troll.
No name calling like you. It just shows a persons upbringing.
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Like your passive aggressive nonsense hiding your contempt and derision behind a false mask of psuedocivility is somehow better than my honest hostility? NO it is just more dishonest. YOU are dishonest. THAT is why your petty Demcrat leader stupidity. THAT is why you asked me to back up a statement any adult marginally informed about politics knows and you ALREADY knew. YOU are a punk. You can pretend that as you treat US with contempt we have an obligation to treat YOU respectfully. I was brought up to fight fire WITH fire. It matters not to me if you are a coward who prefers to be sneaky with his trollish contempt. It still calls for the same treatment. I couldnt possibly care less if you like it or not. I guess YOU were brought up to be a coward and a sneaky, petty little punk.
Thanks Eugene. You make my point. I would never treat you the way you have treated me. Thanks again.
March 11th, 2009 at 3:40 pmFollowing is a comment by Eugene. A fine rep of your site here.
republicans hate facts Says:
jay Says:
My posts speak for themselves. I have restraint unlike you.
No name calling like you. It just shows a persons upbringing.
From WHAT I CAN SEE you were RAISED to be an ARROGANT PR*CK *SSHOLE, that CRITICIZES and LABELS OTHERS while WHINING that they aren’t NAME CALLING! That’s called HYPOCRISY, which BEGS to YOU BEING RAISED by F**KING *SSHOLES that were as TRAILER TRASH as YOU ARE! ;)
Another fine example of a person who can’t control his emotions.
March 11th, 2009 at 3:44 pmSorry My apologies. It was RHF who posted that one. Its hard to keep tract. Once again my apologies to you Eugene but you both kinda sound the same. An honest mistake..
March 11th, 2009 at 3:46 pmEugeneDebs Says:
jay Says:
I’m just like you Eugene. Strange huh. People should back up their statements.
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You are ridiculous. This is why you are a troll. You are just a button pushing moron and have no desire for discussion. People should back up their statements IF they are in any way questionable. THIS is like backing up the statement there are fifty states. It would make every post a chore. The sky is blue wait I guess Jay thinks I need to back that statement up. You are being a punk again. This passive aggressive idiocy does nothing to further discussion. You THINK you are being clever and manipulating us when in fact you just show how stupid and pathetic you are.
I have been here for a couple weeks now. I am constantly asked to back up my opinions with some Sort of URL. Does it make every post a chore? Yes. Now if I am required to back up my every statement here then you should be required to do so also. I hate URL’s and have said as much many times here but no matter if I have to use them then you shouldn’t object to doing the same.
OBTW you should review your posts made just to me. # 272,273,274,279,302,319,235,336,340,347,354,356,363,364.
You have anger issues.
March 11th, 2009 at 4:21 pmjust a thought – what if Iran really DOES want nukes? What if they really do want to turn Israel into a parking lot as Iran’s leaders have said on numberous occasions? What if all this silly navel-gazing re: whether the “right wing” (can we all agree that avian metaphors are for losers?) is spinning this that or the other thing is just so much prelude for you liberal pukes to get it wrong AGAIN, just as Chamberlain did at Munich in ‘38? What if you liberal miscreants are so stupid you can’t even understand the point I’m trying to drive home here? I mean I know it is a rhetorical question, but WHY ARE LIBERALS SO DUMB?
March 11th, 2009 at 4:25 pmThen you should be livid about George W. Bush’s decision to make Iran much, much stronger by invading Iraq. The majority of foreign policy experts agree that Iran is a huge winner in the Iraq War. This is something liberals warned would happen.
They’ve said they want to turn Israel into a parking lot? Really? I’ve heard plenty of right wingers say they want to turn Iran into a glass parking lot. I’m sure Iran sees Israel as an enemy, but considering how Muslims consider many sites in Israel to be holy to their faith, you’d have to think that the desire to make it “a parking lot” would conflict pretty heavily with their desire to preserve their holy sites.
What if they really do want to turn Israel into a parking lot as Iran’s leaders have said on numberous occasions? You’d be better off trying to figure out why it’s so important to you to pretend that liberals are dumb.
Arthur Neville Chamberlain (18 March 1869 – 9 November 1940) was a British Conservative politician and Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1937 to 1940.
It’s the wrong question. You should be asking why it’s so important to you to pretend that liberals are dumb. Then you might get to the root of all your problems.
March 21st, 2009 at 3:27 am