Steele Goes From Being ‘Pro-Life His Entire Adult Life’ To Believing Abortion Is An ‘Individual Choice’
Steele Goes From Being ‘Pro-Life His Entire Adult Life’ To Believing Abortion Is An ‘Individual Choice’
GQ has a new interview with Michael Steele, in which the embattled RNC chairman says that he is pro-choice:
GQ: Are you saying you think women have the right to choose abortion?
STEELE: Yeah. I mean, again, I think that’s an individual choice. [...]
GQ: Are you saying you don’t want to overturn Roe v. Wade?
STEELE: I think Roe v. Wade—as a legal matter, Roe v. Wade was a wrongly decided matter.
GQ: Okay, but if you overturn Roe v. Wade, how do women have the choice you just said they should have?
STEELE: The states should make that choice. That’s what the choice is. The individual choice rests in the states. Let them decide.
Steele is shifting from what he has said in the past. As recently as November 2008, he supported the GOP platform on a constitutional ban on abortion, although he was “skeptical” of tinkering with the Constitution:
In an editorial board meeting at The Washington Times on Tuesday, Mr. Steele clarified his stance, saying that he thinks Roe should be overturned as a sloppy piece of decision-making, favors state regulation on abortion, and supports the Republican party’s platform that calls for a constitutional ban on abortion. … Mr. Steele added however that he is skeptical of changing the Constitution, fearing that the process will get out of control.
Steele, in fact, presented himself as a strong pro-life candidate when running for the RNC chairmanship. Family Research Council president Tony Perkins said that Steele had “shown a commitment to the values that were once the GOP’s guiding light,” including on abortion. Here’s how Steele pitched himself on his campaign website (cached site here):
No one should ever doubt Michael Steele’s commitment to life. He has been pro-life his entire adult life. In 2006 he was endorsed for US Senate by National Right to Life and Maryland Right to Life. He ran as a staunchly pro-life candidate in a state that rarely elects pro-life candidates.
In its Oct. 25, 2006 endorsement of Steele’s U.S. Senate run, the Washington Times wrote, “Mr. Steele is staunchly pro-life (parting with many Republicans who support abortion in cases of rape and incest) and he is a free trader.”
This announcement will likely add fuel to the fire of his critics, who are already upset that he slighted their real leader.
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Maybe he should set himself on fire and get it over with.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:00 pmWhen one tries to be “all things to all people,” one generally loses one’s soul. Michael Steele is the consummate “yes man,” the Good Soldier of the Reich. He can no longer remember what he said and to whom he said it. Removal from chairmanship: imminent.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:04 pmOh my, everyone who was betting on how long Steele would hold his job and picked a date after Easter is going to lose his/her shirt. Actually I don’t think the guy will make it into next week.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:09 pmThis main is an absolute train wreck. Sad.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:14 pmmike steele.
i don’t know where he’s going.
you don’t know where he’s going.
he doesn’t know where he’s going.
mike steele.
man of steele.
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March 11th, 2009 at 8:14 pmoh man.. now they will REALLY get rid of him faster than you can say GOP… this party has A LOT still to sort out.. (and: the reason they’re still in so much trouble is that too many of them are still on the fringe when it comes to social issues.. still stuck in the middle of the last century, still living in a fantasy world.. they have far too many of their members still in that mindset.. their troubles (electorally and otherwise) will not be solved until a substantial amount among their members step into the 21st century and get a dose of reality check..)
March 11th, 2009 at 8:17 pmhe’s trying to capture the Fence Turtle Trophy from W.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:17 pmBoy… talk about committing suicide on a national stage…
March 11th, 2009 at 8:21 pmSadly, Steele lacks the self-awareness to even realize how quickly he’s digging his own grave. Or what a total fool he’s making of himself.
Idiot. No wonder the GOOP is his party of choice.
PEACE
March 11th, 2009 at 8:21 pmMan, I sure would like to see Steel’s ride passing me on the Interstate.
Especially with a paint ball gun next to me.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:22 pmI don’t think Steele has any idea what he believes or what he should say.
It’s an individual’s choice?
It’s an individual state’s choice?
WTF is he taking about?
March 11th, 2009 at 8:24 pmAnd… that should just about wrap up the Michael Steele Era. It’s been fun.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/
March 11th, 2009 at 8:24 pmI thought this fool cancelled the rest of his media interviews?! LMMAO! Too funny! Just when I thought he was through – more comedy!
March 11th, 2009 at 8:24 pmlokidog Says:
Man, I sure would like to see Steel’s ride passing me on the Interstate.
Especially with a paint ball gun next to me.
See, that’s what I was wondering: does he get to keep the truck?
March 11th, 2009 at 8:28 pmWow – I hope his resume is up-to-date.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:30 pmPro-Choice AND Anti-Rush? I welcome this Republican leader.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:32 pmLet’s see what the Republican leader has to say about this. Whoever that is. LOL
March 11th, 2009 at 8:35 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
GQ: Are you saying you think women have the right to choose abortion?
STEELE: Yeah. I mean, again, I think that’s an individual choice. […]
GQ: Are you saying you don’t want to overturn Roe v. Wade?
STEELE: I think Roe v. Wade—as a legal matter, Roe v. Wade was a wrongly decided matter.
GQ: Okay, but if you overturn Roe v. Wade, how do women have the choice you just said they should have?
STEELE: The states should make that choice. That’s what the choice is.
I don’t think Steele has any idea what he believes or what he should say.
It’s an individual’s choice?
It’s an individual state’s choice?
WTF is he taking about?
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ralph,
that’s mike steele.
it’s both urban and sub-urban hip hop.
it’s beyond cutting edge. it’s off the hook.
it’s not just outside the box, it’s someplace the
box hasn’t even reach yet. this gopanese baby!
mike steele.
man of steele.
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forget about esperanto baby,
that’s the democrats.
:0
March 11th, 2009 at 8:35 pmI-L-O-V-E-I-T-!
March 11th, 2009 at 8:38 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
WTF is he taking about?
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He’s just covering his bases, ralph.
No doubt the right wing noise machine is gearing up to somehow blame this on the Dems, and Rush will issue a rebuttal by noon tomorrow.
Here’s a more pertinent question for Mr Steele:
How much doo could a shoobie doobie doo, if a shoobie doobie doo could doo?
March 11th, 2009 at 8:38 pmIt really is time for the GOP to jettison this failed attempt to put forth an Affirmative Action, complete fool of a “leader”. It just goes to show you can take the bunny out of the rainforest but….
March 11th, 2009 at 8:41 pmI have a policy about flagging. Can someone take care of AlGore for me?
March 11th, 2009 at 8:42 pmYer right, db…
I just flagged the twit…
Anybody here want to second that?
March 11th, 2009 at 8:45 pmSecond, third and forthwith
March 11th, 2009 at 8:46 pmI actually feel sorry for Steele. I think he does believe in the things he says before the Fat One hammers him down. He quite probably is an honest man. He just lacks the cojones to stand up for it.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:47 pmRacist Troll Flagged with pleasure.
(I have no qualms against flagging Asshats)
March 11th, 2009 at 8:49 pmI say that all the Republican conservative men, especially the evangelical religious fundamentalist types, should all get a sex change operation, so they can literally walk in the shoes of women, getting a different perspective on the right of a woman to choose.
Although, of course, all these former Republican conservative men won’t have ovaries, and can’t bear children, I’m still betting on reincarnation taking care of this. God always gets the last laugh.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:49 pmWhen I argue with conservatives I would say ” How can a bunch of old white guys make decisions for women”. I’m going to have to now say ” How can a bunch of old white guys and one old black guy make decisions for women”. The joke use to be what do you call a thousand white guys chasing one black man? Tiger Woods. Now it is Michael Steele.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:51 pmThe sad part is the Republicans might actually have a small chance of recovering if they would pay attention. The goofed, they hired a decent person and now have to sink him because of it.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:51 pmWizard,
March 11th, 2009 at 8:54 pmKarma. If I believed in reincarnation, I don’t think they would be coming back as a Human at all. If I understand correctly, you can come back as ANYTHING.
I have a picture in my mind of DUNG BEETLES.
How can you be in favor of states having the right to decide, yet also support a constitutional ban.
Doesn’t he know that it’s physically impossible to be in two places at the same time ?
And I really loathe that term “pro life”.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:55 pmRandomChaos Says:
I have a picture in my mind of DUNG BEETLES.
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Or Republicans as fire hydrants on a planet run by dogs…
March 11th, 2009 at 8:55 pmTRoS,
Now that’s funny!
Thanks for the laugh.
March 11th, 2009 at 8:56 pmaffirmative action?
mike steele was voted in.
gw goes to yale and
gets gentleman’s c’s
from his profs and “graduates”.
that’s affirmative action.
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March 11th, 2009 at 8:57 pmThe 2008 Republican platform:
“We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.”
March 11th, 2009 at 9:06 pmDamn.
Am I too self-critical, or did Chris Matthews essentially say the same thing I did?
(ralph hangs head in shame)
(Oh, and… db? In 22? Done, and done.)
March 11th, 2009 at 9:07 pmThis man is insane.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:09 pmAnyone else feeling a nagging sensation of sympathy..?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:09 pmAnother fracture to the republican party.
This could get interesting and become a source of entertainment.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:09 pmWhy? I’m “pro life”.
Of course,I also support a woman’s right to choose, but that doesn’t make me any less “pro life”. In fact, I’m all for “Life”. Both the cereal AND the wider concept.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:09 pmThis guy has to be on something…nobody is as screwed up as this nitwit.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:10 pmNope.
But there’s nothing wrong with it.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:10 pmWhat’s the use? Replacing Steele at this point would be refrying refried beans for the GOP.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:11 pmPro life is pro murder.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:11 pmno it isn’t
March 11th, 2009 at 9:11 pmKilling children isnt murder, dbad?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:13 pmNo one is talking about killing children now are they?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:14 pmA clump of cells? Isnt that basically what we all are? Murder is murder. Killing a child because of convience does not make it any less disgusting.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:16 pmOh well, I guess Steele didn’t want this job in the first place.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:17 pmNo head of the RNC could possibly be ambivalent about a woman’s freedom of choice.
He also admitted he didn’t know if he was selected merely because he is black.
Maybe once he is handed a ‘no-confidence” vote, that southern racist will be taking his place – whatshisname – the guy who belongs to a whites only country club.
Abortion is legal murder. It would be ILLEGAL if we didn’t have leftist running the country. Back on topic, Steele is a lunatic.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:18 pmMurder is murder. Killing a child because of convience does not make it any less disgusting.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:19 pm—-
You have failed to define child yet again. I would say that those dead children in Gaza and places like that ought to be more of a concern. See those really are children.
Steeles calendar reads thusly: Tuesday-pro-choice, pro-union and anti-gun. Wednesdays-pro-troop withdrawl, pro-stimulus and anti-labor. Thursdays and Fridays are pro-life, pro-business and pro-small government. Saturday- muck out Rushs hog wallow. Sunday-pretend to be a Christian Conservative. Monday- see Lord Limbaugh to receive my thoughts for the new week.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:21 pmIt would be ILLEGAL if we didn’t have leftist running the country.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:22 pm—
This is just plan f ucking stupid. Ever meet any cultural anthropologists that showed you those societies that didn’t have an understanding and existance of abortion? This is just foolishness.
How about the dead children in Israel from the continuous mortar fire from hamas? I like how you conviently left them out. A fetus is a child, a baby, a living creature with a life. Who are you to play god?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:22 pmIf it is leagal, then it is not murder.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:22 pmI like how you conviently left them out
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I didn’t leave them out. Not I said Gaza and places like that.
” A fetus is a child, a baby, a living creature with a life.”
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Says who?
“Who are you to play god?”
March 11th, 2009 at 9:24 pm—
Not me as I do not believe in god
A simple man Says:
A simple man’s heart bleeds for the unborn babies. Once mom pops them out however, F**k them little shits, they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:24 pmYou could make the same argument against the death penalty, right? Life is life.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:24 pmHow many children were burned alive with white phosphorus on the Israeli side of the border in the latest Gaza offensive?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:26 pmSenator is not only an idiot, he’s the new idiot-in-chief. He’s the right man at the right time to represent everything wrong with the GOP.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:27 pmDHM, I would get a sex change if it meant a shot at Rachel Maddow… Articulate, intelligent, sexy…*drool*
March 11th, 2009 at 9:27 pmdbadass Says: Not me as I do not believe in god
Figures
the brown acid Says: they can pull themselves up by their bootstraps.
I thought you libs believed in darwinism? Only the strongest survive? Now, all of the sudden, you care? Hmmm..
McWars Says:
You could make the same argument against the death penalty, right? Life is life.
No, you can’t. Criminals deserve to die, an innocent baby deserves to live.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:28 pmA simple man Says:
Criminals deserve to die
Spoken like a true jackboot.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:29 pmDid I say Senator? In Michael’s dreams!
March 11th, 2009 at 9:29 pmSo… did someone get his terminology wrong?
Or did everyone jump on someone by mistake?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:30 pmdbadass Says: Not me as I do not believe in god
Figures
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March 11th, 2009 at 9:30 pmHow so? I believe in gods. This just one idea doesn’t cut it
A simple man Says:
Abortion is legal murder. It would be ILLEGAL if we didn’t have leftist running the country.
I guess Bush and the Repubican Congress from 2001-2007 were all leftists, then, huh?
Yeah, it seems someone got his initial terminology wrong.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:30 pmRalph I saw that too…Was wondering what the hell he meant.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:31 pmI thought you libs believed in darwinism? Only the strongest survive? Now, all of the sudden, you care? Hmmm..
In evolution? Yes.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:32 pmIn social darwinism? Go f**k yourself pal.
Criminals deserve to die
March 11th, 2009 at 9:32 pm—
Who is playing god?
A simple man Says:
Pro life is pro murder.
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i thought you guys said
that about “pro choice”?
mike?
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March 11th, 2009 at 9:32 pmWRONG, TRY AGAIN. A fetus is a baby.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:33 pman innocent baby deserves to live.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:33 pm—
Unless they live in a shithole refugee camp in Gaza it seems….
Who are you to play God?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:34 pmA simple man Says:
WRONG, TRY AGAIN. A fetus is a baby.
So let’s take your oh-so-noble defense of life to the logical extreme. Are you willing to pay higher taxes to make sure that precious cute little baby gets health care? A good education? How about enough to eat?
Oh yeah, once they’ve committed the “original sin” of being born they’re disposable.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:34 pmtry to keep up my friend ralph
March 11th, 2009 at 9:34 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
O/T Meg McCain is on Maddow’s program….jebus, she’s hot.
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meg or
rachel?
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March 11th, 2009 at 9:35 pmThen, why is it called a fetus instead of a baby?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:35 pmWRONGER.
see, that’s why they have separate words: “fetus” and “baby”.
They’re not synonyms. They refer to different stages in development. One is viable on its own. The other is not.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:35 pmScience proves nothing. All modern science is is magic tricks and theories. You’re a fool to believe in science over god.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:36 pmAnyone surprised?
No?
I thought not.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:37 pmDHM, every time you school one of these fundie morons with their own holy book, an angel gets its wings.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:37 pmTell that to Dr. Hussein Matt. HA!
March 11th, 2009 at 9:38 pmNo, you can’t. Criminals deserve to die, an innocent baby deserves to live.
Disclosure: I generally support the death penalty.
But since we’re on the abortion argument, I recall that your party increasingly has no problem admitting their view that a woman who’s been raped (a rapist is a criminal) should be required to go through with her pregnancy if she conceives, no exceptions.
Explain the disconnect.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:38 pmA simple man Says:
Home schooling alert, Home schooling alert. Sound the alarms.
Feel free to get off of the PC your using – it’s powered by sorcery.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:38 pm“you’re”, rather.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:39 pmWRONG, TRY AGAIN. A fetus is a baby
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Try again at what? You have shown no evidence of anyone being wrong? I am a law abiding citizen and the laws of my nation say that a fetus is not a baby. What part aren’t you getting?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:40 pmI hate to tell you guys but you are wasting your breath. I have come to the conclusion that these right wing nut jobs have a disconnect in their brains. Now I am not being a smart*as, they simply do not have the capacity to understand. They are so brainwashed by god and religion that they are incapable of sorting things out in their own minds.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:42 pm95 gives them away. No sense anymore as the charade of a real person has been revealed all too soon
March 11th, 2009 at 9:43 pmthe simple man stuff
sounds familiar. why oh why
can’t we get some new trolls around
here instead of just new troll names?
?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:43 pmStrange how this simpleton refuses to capitalize “God”.
From this rather stark statement, one may conclude that either A simpleton believes that God (or “god” as the case may be) proves things by pronouncing them in ancient, oft-translated texts, or he believes that nothing proves anything.
He certainly doesn’t believe that the scientific method, i. e. observing nature, formulating theories, testing those theories against new observations, and accepting or revising those theories, proves anything.
This is indeed a strange one.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:43 pmA woman has her logic for terminating a pregnancy, and a court has their logic for terminating the life of a defendant. Mind you, courts have probably put innocent people to death.
It brings me to this question: why should a woman not have the option of terminating her pregnancy, but courts should have the option of terminating the life of a defendant where that decision may not be justified or they have the wrong person entirely?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:44 pmYou’re a fool to believe in science over god.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:45 pm—-
If we are talking about one of those cool Hindu gods what with the groovy colors and animal parts and extra limbs and shit, well than I am sort of forced to agree with simple man….
It doesn’t count when she says, “God, you are stupid!”
;)
March 11th, 2009 at 9:45 pmTrue enough.
Popping bubble wrap is a waste of time, yet extremely enjoyable. Almost addicting.
Same principle.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:47 pmGood one Dru…ROFLMAO
March 11th, 2009 at 9:47 pmSomeone please make sure to wipe up the puddle that A simpleton has become, okay?
We just had the carpets cleaned.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:47 pmAmen Ralph
March 11th, 2009 at 9:48 pmI don’t like burdening a person with too many questions at once as to scurry them away when they’re trying to have an honest debate. I couldn’t give that recognition to this troll.
I’m just trying to connect the dots. If it’s ok to punish a criminal with jail or death, why is it ok to reward a rapist with a baby through opposing abortion w/o exception?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:49 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
My girlfriend often calls me “God”.
You are a disgusting human being.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:53 pmno he isn’t
March 11th, 2009 at 9:54 pmA simple man Says:
Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
My girlfriend often calls me “God”.
You are a disgusting human being.
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you’re all over that christian thine enemy
thing, aren’t you?
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March 11th, 2009 at 9:55 pmName change needed —A simple(minded)man
March 11th, 2009 at 9:56 pmI’m sure it’s merely a common experience
March 11th, 2009 at 9:56 pmSimple man,
Does God believe in science?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:57 pmWhy is your girlfriend confusing you with George Burns?
March 11th, 2009 at 9:58 pmHey, at least he capitalized “God”.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:58 pmok, I think it’s pretty clear, this is a suicide note from steel, he wants out, he wants them to throw him out
something is up, I don’t know what it is since if he really wanted out he would take rush with him, or maybe he doesn’t want rush getting the pleasure of being responsible for his leaving
at any rate, this is his exit strategy
March 11th, 2009 at 9:58 pmperris Says:
ok, I think it’s pretty clear, this is a suicide note from steel, he wants out, he wants them to throw him out
Or maybe he is just plain stupid.
March 11th, 2009 at 10:01 pmperris Says:
at any rate, this is his exit strategy…
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Perhaps he should just start claiming that Donovan McNabb is overrated as a QB… it certainly worked for El Rushblo…
March 11th, 2009 at 10:03 pmOh, that’s right, TRoS. Summon b-cup…
March 11th, 2009 at 10:04 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Oh, that’s right, TRoS. Summon b-cup…
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Well geez, ralphie… y’all pretty much chewed simple man to bits already… ‘n let’s face it, b-cup is a far more wily adversary…
March 11th, 2009 at 10:07 pmdbadass Says:
Why is your girlfriend confusing you with George Burns?
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The cigar…
March 11th, 2009 at 10:08 pmWell I’d summon up Archie B and John Kerry but it seems they are both feeling a little under the weather.
March 11th, 2009 at 10:08 pmAwright, TRoS, but if b-cup shows up, he’s all yers.
March 11th, 2009 at 10:09 pmGee… thanks, ralph…
Any chance we can foist him off on db?
You in the market for any more trolls, db?
March 11th, 2009 at 10:11 pmI think JK and Archie are having sex under the weather.
March 11th, 2009 at 10:11 pmA simple man Says:
No, you can’t. Criminals deserve to die, an innocent baby deserves to live.
March 11th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
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Okay, but what if that baby is going to grow up to become a criminal? Then he/she deserves to die, right?
And unwanted babies are more likely to suffer neglect in their childhood and grow up to become criminals. So what’s wrong with killing a criminal before he/she has a chance to commit a crime? It’s just a proactive anti-crime strategy!
Think of all the life, liberty, and property you save by aborting the unwanted!
March 11th, 2009 at 10:13 pmYou in the market for any more trolls, db?
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March 11th, 2009 at 10:13 pmOnly if I can trade up. What was I on when I saddled my portfolio with the junk my name is on?
dbadass Says:
What was I on when I saddled my portfolio with the junk my name is on?
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Hey… JK was naming names… and you INSISTED he was yours.
Same w/ Archie B…
Why do you think I keep preaching the virtues of “catch-and-release”?
All the satisfaction of well-played Whack-A-Troll™ w/ none of the “Oh great… now what do I do w/ this worthless lump” self-recriminations typically experienced after the thrill of the hunt is long gone… not to mention the cost of feed, veterinarian bills, plus any applicable state and local fees and/or taxes…
March 11th, 2009 at 10:21 pmApparently, the quality of trolls lately has declined precipitously…they’ve gone from idiotically verbose irony to just drive-by non sequitur.
I almost miss the sucky comebacks that seemingly burst with ’straight man’ setups…
March 11th, 2009 at 10:24 pmhanshiro Says:
Apparently, the quality of trolls lately has declined precipitously…they’ve gone from idiotically verbose irony to just drive-by non sequitur.
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Can you blame them? How would you like to be stuck defending the likes of Rush, Newtie, Mikey, et al?
Word from the National Whack-A-Troll™ Governing Council is that the 2009/10 Pro-Am Season just might be cancelled… they’re hoping a lull in the action will give some of the smaller, under-aged trolls a chance to grow up a little more before they end up picked off one at a time, like their predecessors.
March 11th, 2009 at 10:27 pmI thought you libs believed in darwinism? Only the strongest survive? Now, all of the sudden, you care? Hmmm..
This Right Wing Lie employs the false premise. The poster is claiming that Darwinism is a theory that says “Only the strongest survive.” This is factually, scientifically, and provably incorrect. Darwin’s theories do not suggest that the “strongest” survive, but the “fittest”. And in this sense, “fittest” means “most fit to the environment in which they are trying to survive.” It has nothing to do with strength, it has to do with adaptability. If you cannot change with your environment, and find some genetically inheritable advantage that will help your offspring survive, you will not survive, no matter how “strong” you are. The Right Wing deliberately (or ignorantly) uses this misinterpretation of Darwin to justify their own brute force, “shoot to kill first so you don’t have to bother asking questions later”-approach to conflict resolution.
The Right Wing does not appeal to reason, it appeals to emotion. And when your emotions are fired up, your capacity to think rationally diminishes. This is how they gain support for their platitudes (which are not ideas). This is how they win elections, despite having nothing to offer. The Left Wing needs to find an emotional way to connect to people in order to get them to support doing the things we all know need to be done. The problem has always been that’s it’s easier to get people to hate something (through fear and outright lies) than it is to get them to love something (which requires some level of trust, which can take time). This is our challenge. Find a way to connect to people emotionally to get them to like the idea of having a government that works for their best interests and not those of Corporate America. Unfortunately, this challenge is made harder by the fact that Corporate America controls the media (in a conservative-leaning way.) Maybe we need to go back to what worked in 1776 – handing out pamphlets on the street corner.
March 11th, 2009 at 10:30 pmHey… JK was naming names… and you INSISTED he was yours.
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March 11th, 2009 at 10:31 pmHey give me a break. I had a lot of expensive bait invested in that one. The way I see it is that if a fish comes aboard with more than one hook in it. It belongs to the fisherman whose hook is in its mouth. All those other hooks are good sharp hooks and fine fisherman are fishing those hooks but still they caught that fish on its way up…
Archie B
Someone close the screen door, the gnat is back.
March 11th, 2009 at 10:38 pmDon’t gnat’s carry disease? We need a teeny gnat zapper.
March 11th, 2009 at 10:38 pmThere he is. Shall I start jamming the ck from my ass down his throat right away or shall I challenge his manhood first. I suppose it doesn’t really matter. I can do whatever I want with my own little “Tommy”/
March 11th, 2009 at 10:39 pmI have to admit he has finally formulated a strategy. The problem withit is that it ends the same way I already said it would thus defeating the purpose but still atleast he tried for a brief moment…
March 11th, 2009 at 10:40 pmQuote
March 11th, 2009 at 10:42 pm?
March 11th, 2009 at 10:44 pmEver since “Beo” triggered the implosion of the Republican Matrix, the machines (the Simpletons) have begun cannibalizing the ‘Souse’ (which was once thought to be Agent bush, but has since been replaced by another, central program…the Dou(he Ex Limbau.
Of course, the earlier assimilation attempts failed and even though there remains infections of the RM throughout the central government mainframe, the replicant neocons are evidently self-destructing, one by one…
Stay ‘tuned.’
March 11th, 2009 at 10:44 pmIsn’t this a thread about Steele?
March 11th, 2009 at 10:46 pmArchie B Says:
President Obama, who took a no-earmark pledge on the campaign trail, is listed as one of dozens of cosponsors of a $7.7 million set-aside in the fiscal 2009 omnibus spending bill passed by the House on Wednesday.
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Funny that… this bill was supposed to be done LAST FALL… when Obama was still a Senator. Presidents don’t insert earmarks at the last minute.
http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2009/02/26/more-earmark-debate-even-obama-gets-one/
THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 26, 2009 AT 11:28 AM
Posted by michael scherer
More Earmark Debate: Even Obama Gets One
The incomparable Jonathan Allen of CQ finds Barack Obama’s name on one of the earmarks in the spending bill that just passed the House, which is essentially a leftover bill from last year to fund the current fiscal year.
President Obama, who took a no-earmark pledge on the campaign trail, is listed as one of dozens of cosponsors of a $7.7 million set-aside in the fiscal 2009 omnibus spending bill (HR 1105) passed by the House on Wednesday. . . . The $7.7 million earmark — for Tribally Controlled Postsecondary Vocational Institutions — is cosponsored by a long list of other members of both chambers. The program appeared in Senate report language last year but its sponsors were not identified at that time.
UPDATE: The White House bit back at Allen’s report Thursday afternoon, pointing to a letter, dated April 2, 2008, in which Obama, along with 36 other Senators, requested an increase in funding for the Carl D. Perkins Career and Technical Education Program, which administration officials say led, after several more bureaucratic twists and turns, to Obama’s name being attached to the $7.7 million earmark.
In an afternoon press conference, White House spokesman Robert Gibbs maintained that the request to fund the program should not be considered an earmark request, in part because there was no dollar figure attached to the request. “The president, as a senator, did not request earmarks for the final two years he was in the Senate,” Gibbs said. Separately, I am advised that a request has been made to appropriators to remove Obama’s name from this provision in the spending bill.
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Please pay attention, archie… you’re giving the place a bad name…
March 11th, 2009 at 10:48 pm154. Jane E. Schneider Says: Isn’t this a thread about Steele?
Hypothetically, metaphorically, or theoretically?
March 11th, 2009 at 10:48 pmFeel free to jam away, db…
March 11th, 2009 at 10:49 pmHi Jane and yes it is.
March 11th, 2009 at 10:51 pmPlease excuse my posts for now. If you are unaware Archie let myself and a few others get under his skin a few nights ago and ended up posting some flame comments. As you know I am a manners advocate. I currently am forced to put Archie’s poor choice in the spotlight until Archie assumes responsibilty for his words or just goes away. I have apologized several times for tying things up with this matter. Still, it is important that people show respect for one another and old Arch needs to accept that
Hanshiro: hmmmm, any one of them, I suppose. I was really just trying to nudge the O/T troll out of the way. ;)
March 11th, 2009 at 10:53 pm158.dbadass Says: As you know I am a manners advocate.
Unless it involves questioning someone’s gender. That’s not rude at all…
March 11th, 2009 at 10:55 pm’sokay with me, db, fire away, I’ll go get a snack and catch up soon. BTW, I, too, happily complied with your request at #22.
Have at it…
March 11th, 2009 at 10:56 pmWell that would depend upon the context
March 11th, 2009 at 10:58 pm162.dbadass Says:
Well that would depend upon the context
To whom are you replying?
March 11th, 2009 at 11:00 pmSorry. I suppose that was vague. I was responding to you.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:01 pm164.dbadass Says: Sorry. I suppose that was vague. I was responding to you.
Okay, I find your ‘manner advocate’ shtick a tad disingenuous. You belabored a minor joke I made over Gupta, but find no problem jettisoning your own manners when it’s convenient.
Your self-proclaimed ‘manners’ example doesn’t reflect your own behavior. I believe the term is hipocr…hypocr…full of crap.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:06 pmwell if you would like to revisit that event I would be happy to with you but otherwise obviously you are free to your own opinion and I respect that. Either way and please correct me if I am wrong but I vaguely remember that joke being in sort of bad taste but admittedly I forget the details and I also sort of I respectfully said something about you doing your thing while I would do mine. Still either way, it’s all good with me
March 11th, 2009 at 11:09 pm166. dbadass Says: Either way and please correct me if I am wrong but I vaguely remember that joke being in sort of bad taste but admittedly I forget the details and I also sort of I respectfully said something about you doing your thing while I would do mine. Still either way, it’s all good with me
Oh come now. A so-called ‘manners advocate’ that cannot abide his own standards for correct behavior is in no position to dictate conduct, taste or any other aspect to which he himself abdicates at the first chance:
In other words, db, you’re a sanctimonious phony. The next time you presume to preach manners to others, don’t.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:26 pmSee the funny part about this is that I already said that it would depend upon the context. So now would you like to post the transcripts of your minor Gupta joke? I think that might be a better place to start if that is really what you wanted to discuss. I don’t see where the dodge to a clearly frivilous Ann Coulter thing directed at no one supports the thesis we are trying to advance
March 11th, 2009 at 11:32 pmOT sry
March 11th, 2009 at 11:37 pmMan that 2nd amendment thread is ….
I have only been around here for a year, I don’t recall seeing a thread that big or full of vitriol.
Takes for ever to load in a browser!
Anyhoo..
Carryon.
Popcorn?
168.dbadass Says:
See the funny part about this is that I already said that it would depend upon the context. So now would you like to post the transcripts of your minor Gupta joke?
Sure, I referred to Sanjay Gupta as Sanjaya, the annoying and publicized American Idol singer that had no business lasting as long as he did; just as Gupta had no business being considered for Surgeon General as long as he did.
Your disagreement was my playing with the name. That was it. That was the “bad taste.” Somehow that constituted for you an unforgivable gaffe.
I don’t see where the dodge to a clearly frivilous Ann Coulter thing directed at no one supports the thesis we are trying to advance
Why, you’re the ‘manners advocate’ here. Why is it okay to make sexist and degrading comments about a woman’s appearance, but echoing a sentiment that has already been discussed in popular media is somehow verboten?
I’m all ears, Mr. ‘manners advocate.’
March 11th, 2009 at 11:39 pmhanshiro
March 11th, 2009 at 11:42 pmSomething is sort of fishy don’t you think? Why select that thread with your Lewis Carroll quote? Whereas we do not engage in frequent exchanges directly and whereas I think that is your only post on that thread it seems you went looking for something. Can we go directly to the Gupta thing you cited as your initial justification? To be honest I don’t even ever remember talking to you before about anything but maybe sort of. Please direct me and anyone else interested to the actual event
Thanks-
Oh that’s right. Thanks you for that hanshiro. That is easily explained. If you have read more than a few of my posts you will know that I think names are important and that is why I commented to you. I make a lot of typos and if you search the archives you will find that when they involve someones name I always correct them and apologize. You will also note that I never (with no doubt a rare exception) corrupt any posters name. Afterall names are all anyone really has and they also represent our families and clans. Notice that I don’t slip and capitalize the “h” in hanshiro or anything like that. You will also notice from a quick search of the archives that I also gently remind mispellers either by accident or intent the spelling of dbadass.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:47 pmPresident Obama, who took a no-earmark pledge on the campaign trail, is listed as one of dozens of cosponsors of a $7.7 million set-aside in the fiscal 2009 omnibus spending bill passed by the House on Wednesday.
Here we see another Right Wing Lie that’s managed to find its way into the Belief Centers of some people’s minds. In fact, it was Republican Senator John McCain who took a “No Earmarks” pledge. Democratic Senator Barack Obama (the eventual winner) said that he would reform the earmark process, and look at each one to see if it benefits the entire nation. Some, he said, are useful. Some are not.
President Obama also correctly noted that some of the loudest critics of earmarks will brag about the ones that benefit their own states or districts. This kind of behavior (bragging about earmarks you “opposed”, but helped get in the bill) is called “hypocrisy”. Because many of them are unable to see hypocrisy, many get caught presenting the appearance of a conflict of interest in their public service. But that’s another problem.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:48 pmMr. Steele was for pro anti abortion but anti anti gay and totally pro choice if the choice wasn’t a legal decision.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:48 pmThat’s an interesting take dbadass. I, on the other hand nearly always refer to folks with a one off of their name, and hardly anyone ever yells at me about it.
Oh well, I’ll make sure I get yours right! And how was dinner tonight?>
March 11th, 2009 at 11:49 pmYes, Wayne, for the Repuglycans have looked in the mirror, and hypocrisy is all that blankly stares back at them.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:51 pmRUC,
March 11th, 2009 at 11:51 pmThat’s the way I read it too!
Not so confusing when you think . about .. it hey wait a sec.
I hope that clarifies this matter for you and you can be assured that I would encourage you to continue to do your thing while I do mine.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:52 pmRandomChaos, It’s like they don’t understand that all that stuff goes on tape, on u-tube, and folks actually can look up what they said, a week ago, a year ago.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:53 pmWHaa???
dbadass, you becha! And what was for dinner??
March 11th, 2009 at 11:53 pmsteeley damn hasn’t chosen his cabinet yet but his bus issa rockin’
I mean he went all out…pic and fully designed bus.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:56 pmSteel may have more than Limbo to deal with. He may be dealing with “Assasin Ring Cheney” soon. The Republican nightmare may just be starting. Those nasty bushies bin’ goin’ out an’ killin’ people around the world in a secret assasins ring?! What?! If that doesn’t freeze your blood, then simply consider the blowback. If true, prosecute to the fullest extent of the law. If not true, prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. They don’t have the benefit of the doubt anymore.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:57 pmEveryone is different RUCerious and dinner was sort of odds and ends. Thin Mints, Oysters, Pistachios, some olives, and some cold left over grilled veggies with some cheeses. A lack of sufficient motivation and a need to get rid of odds and ends sort of drove the menu.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:57 pmcheers-
The rub is this. It’s not that they think we are all stupid and can get away with saying/doing whateverthehell they want.
March 11th, 2009 at 11:59 pmIt’s THEY DO NOT GIVE A RATS ASS
171. dbadass Says: hanshiro Something is sort of fishy don’t you think? Why select that thread with your Lewis Carroll quote?
That’s where I found your sexist, rude comments…unmannerly even.
Whereas we do not engage in frequent exchanges directly and whereas I think that is your only post on that thread it seems you went looking for something.
Yes, attempt to cast some sort of suspicion on me when you get busted, Mr. ‘manners advocate.’ Hallmark of a coward.
Can we go directly to the Gupta thing you cited as your initial justification?
Sure, here it is at the beginning:
Comes then the lecture from Mr. ‘manners advocate’:
Mr. ‘manners advocate’ is nothing more than a pretentious, hypocritical pr¡ck who feels it perfectly fair game to express his ‘different standard’ by making sexist, degrading comments about women, all the while questioning their gender, but make fun of a name??? How dare you sir!
I followed with this:
There’s more but the gist is clear. When you presume to dictate manners to other posters, don’t be surprised when you get busted for your ill-mannered, tasteless behavior and phony ‘convictions.’
March 12th, 2009 at 12:07 amThe Legend Says: Something.. can’t quite make it out.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:15 amSomething bout hating Trolls.
Same here ;-)
hanshiro I have no need to justify myself to you or anyone else. I have tried to engage you openly in this discussion but you read as if you are just spoiling. What is it you wish to hear?
I presume nothing. I just do what I wish and most folks I comes across seem to agree. That you don’t is fine and I wish you well. I mean that sincerely as my work is in no way related to folks such as yourself. If you do not understand what I mean, look for a pattern in the characteristics of those that I engage.
take care my friend. I regret any misunderstanding but stand by my opinion regarding the significance of names
March 12th, 2009 at 12:15 am172. dbadass Says: You will also note that I never (with no doubt a rare exception) corrupt any posters name. Afterall names are all anyone really has and they also represent our families and clans. Notice that I don’t slip and capitalize the “h” in hanshiro or anything like that. You will also notice from a quick search of the archives that I also gently remind mispellers either by accident or intent the spelling of dbadass.
None of which gives you any prerogative whatsoever to pass judgment on my manners, motivations or posts. Newsflash, db, your personal spelling peccadilloes have exactly zero to do with me or anyone else, much less allow you to assume some office of manners referee and make pronouncements from on high.
Keep your unsolicited critiques to yourself, being as you’re uniquely unsuited for the job of resident ‘TP Manners Scold’ to which you’ve unceremoniously appointed yourself.
‘Manners advocate.’ Geezus…
March 12th, 2009 at 12:19 amI’ll do as I please and I would again encourage you to do the same. What I won’t do is fight a fight that I have no interest nor dog in. I have other agendas. For real I genuinely offer my well wishes to you. Think what you wish but you may be better served by looking elsewhere for a match if that is what you seek.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:24 amArchibald, oh Peachycheeks sweety.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:25 amCome give us some LOVIN.
You know you want it.
190. dbadass Says: I’ll do as I please and I would again encourage you to do the same. What I won’t do is fight a fight that I have no interest nor dog in.
Sanctimony is the domain of cowards, db; so is running away from, and denial of, accountability for your actions.
I should have realized you’d own up to nothing.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:31 amInteresting.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:33 amAmusing even.
More Popcorn?
Simple man, your moniker says it all.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:53 amSM=Daryll/Rapture Ready?
March 12th, 2009 at 12:55 amdbadass Says:
I have a policy about flagging. Can someone take care of AlGore for me?
Just did. And BEFORE I saw your request.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:31 amHoodathunk Says:
I actually feel sorry for Steele. I think he does believe in the things he says before the Fat One hammers him down. He quite probably is an honest man. He just lacks the cojones to stand up for it.
I’ve been having flashbacks about Colin Powell: another essentially good man, another essentially honest man, another educated and well-intentioned man of high moral caliber . . another man who believed the wrong people, and who was used, cruelly, as a token in the Botch/Darth war-mongering, as an appeal to minorities. Steele is being used EXACTLY the same way, cruelly, as a token for rethugs who have noticed at last that President Obama ALREADY has more of a positive legacy in less than two months than BotchCo had in 8 weary years.
Steele has my sympathy, not my scorn–as did/does Colin Powell.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:39 amMathazar Says:
And I really loathe that term “pro life”.
Me, too, Mal–and especially because those same neocons who prate about it have not qualm one about sending American troops to slay tens of thousands of non-American lives in Iraq. The “pro lifers” all seem to be “pro” only UNBORN, white life. Post-born, non-white life obviously has no meaning whatsoever. Hypocrites all, two-faced, ignorant, racist, classist, and PROUD of it all.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:44 amjoe cantwell Says:
affirmative action?
mike steele was voted in.
gw goes to yale and
gets gentleman’s c’s
from his profs and “graduates”.
that’s affirmative action.
EXQUISITELY phrased, my friend!
March 12th, 2009 at 1:46 amRandomChaos Says:
I have a picture in my mind of DUNG BEETLES.
An enchanting image. . . we called ‘em “tumblebugs” when I lived in Texas, and it was always fascinating to see which of them could roll ["tumble"] the biggest ball of s**t to its nest, as food and insulation for tumblebug larva. . . the pubbies shorely DO roll a lot of dung around! Young’uns must be snugglin’ down, gettin’ used to the scent and the savor for when they leave the nest to roll turds of their own. . .
March 12th, 2009 at 1:47 amAngryOne Says:
The 2008 Republican platform:
“We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.”
They do NOT, however, apply to children of poverty-stricken families, or to already-born children anywhere in the world. Just to WASPy US fetuses. Right, AO?
March 12th, 2009 at 1:51 amA simple man Says:
Killing children isnt murder, dbad?
So, simple, can we expect you to join us in providing support on all levels for children who have children because they cannot get birth control? And of course, you’ll be joining the anti-war marches, since American weapons kill children every time we go to war, even in self-defense. And you’ll put in several hours a week as a Big Brother, won’t you, plus helping to run free day care centers so that unwed mothers can finish their educations and/or hold down jobs to support their children? Are you free to do some one-on-one counseling with pregnant 12-year-olds who stand a good chance of dying if they carry a child to term? Will you assist in the lifetime care of the preemies and damaged children born to underage or drug-addicted mothers? Which after-school enrichment programs would you like to assist us with?
Which shifts shall we put you down for?
March 12th, 2009 at 1:59 amthis is ot but,
bristol, levi and little tripp,
our hearts go out to you.
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March 12th, 2009 at 2:09 am.
Everyone knows…
… In America, the right to life ends at birth.
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March 12th, 2009 at 2:55 amjoe cantwell,
Anyone NOT see that train wreck approaching?
1) The daughter of a Separatist father…
2) With a “Ya betcha” mom…
3) Who was pregnant before the age of 18, UN-WED!
4) Logical conclusion…
… An EVILgelicle family resting their moral laurels on the sanctity of marriage so as to raise the children with TWO parents. Who didn’t guess that the TWO parents would end up being the GRAND PARENTS doing the raising?
Shocked – I tell ya! SHOCKED!
March 12th, 2009 at 2:59 amHey Mr. GOP
Could you go over that one more time–slowly. Actually, maybe we could reduce it to one question: Do you support a woman’s right to choose? YES or NO?
March 12th, 2009 at 3:41 amand so is going to sleep
March 12th, 2009 at 5:24 amWhat was it Dan rather used to say: All hat and no cattle? That pretty much sums up Michael Steele. He was our Lt. Gov. under Bob Ehrlich. Two completely worthless politicians.
March 12th, 2009 at 5:58 amSteele is a boob,
The day the Republican Party becomes more than an a party of old white men and develops an ovary, we’ll talk.
Ironically, studies show that red states buy more porn. Utah being number one in porn consumption.
P.S.
A shout out to Rachel Maddow. I adore you!
Every so often you mention stuff I care about. Just kidding . . . happens every night (5-7).
March 12th, 2009 at 6:19 amSteele, keep your word. . . rap off with Colbert.
March 12th, 2009 at 6:27 amif I am a lifeguard and someone is drowing in shark infested waters, I am NOT supposed to go in and save that person
carrying a fetus to term is dangerous against your own life and ruinous to your physical health
a fetus does not get to force it’s will on the host, the host decides if they want to sugger the health liabilies
this is the real point
the court rightly suggested that once the fetus can survive if removed from the womb then it becomes too late and a contract has been made with fetus and host, the host is obligated haveing waited far to long
March 12th, 2009 at 6:32 amOh, yeah, that wouldl be Steele, P.D. ain’t takin’ his calls, Chris Brown could be in jail, K. West is busy with a prostitute . . . hell, how’s Steele ever goin’ hang it if the hood refuses his calls? Perhaps he needs to offer more bling bling . . . worked for Burris.
Damn, what’s it take to get taken seriously in this country. Maybe if someone shot me with an unregistered mK47? Hell yeah, that’d show my unrelenting commitment to the second amendment . . . I would be dead, but committed.
March 12th, 2009 at 6:42 amperris,
You are an idiot.
The Catholic Church just kicked out the mother of an 11 year-old girl who was raped by her stepfather. She was carrying twins. The Catholic Church also booted the doctors that performed the operation.
The Catholic Church said that it did not excommunicate the raping step father (also accused of raping other children in the family) because the crime of abortion was worse than the crime of rape.
Go figure. Catholic Church sux.
March 12th, 2009 at 6:51 amThis sounds crazy from Steele, but I think talk of Republicans supporting individual choice is positive. (although I’m sure it will be fleeting).
Republicans should not pursue an overturn of Roe v. Wade.
But, trying to say that women should have individual choice and that individual choice is for each individual state to decide, is confusing.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:01 amperris,
Wack job. Get yourself an ovary, then pontificate.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:01 amI’m thinking if perris never got laid in his life.
Ick. I haven’t even met him . . . but giant ick coming from here. If any child resulted from what must have been a rufees inspired night . . . abort. . . Houston we have a problem . . . abort.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:05 amRepublicans won’t have a clear message on abortion until they decide who they want to be. The must decide if they are the party of personal liberty or the party of christian theocracy.
If conservatives think that the real problem is aborting the fetus, they should support policies that reduce the amount of abortions. Abstinence ain’t it. Sex education and birth control will reduce the amount of unwanted pregnancies that result in the abortions. Placating the religious right in abstinence only, is fueling the abortion problem they claim to abhor.
Safe, legal, rare.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:14 amI know I’m talking too much, but this perrin is saying, “Pretent I’m a lifeguard” okay you idiot (I can picture you in the lifeguard stand. Pretend someone is drowing in shark infested waters, I am NOT supposed to go in and save that person carrying a fetus to term is dangerous against your own life and ruinous to your physical health
“someone is in harms way”)
For one thing, if you’re a life guard, your job is to rescue.
Second, assuming that you are a lifeguard, my biological integrety is so far out of your expertise that if you were to give me a physical exam, I would sue you.
Thirdm you are an idiot trespassing and committing third degree felonies while trying to pass off your icky need to invade my life.
Leave women alone. We know how to take care of ourselves, but for totally sick men like yourself, we do just fine.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:25 amP.S.
That should have been first degree felonies. . . stuff you go to the clink for for dozens of years.
I think that this is a middle eastern mentality, that women are subservient and that men dictate . . . Well, welcome to America . . . statistically, Middle-Eastern women, even those from impoverished countries, leave their men within about six years of coming to America. Again, go figure.
As you neanderthals write on websites, consider that many of the women on these same webesits are better educated, informed and monied than you are.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:37 amIs it not hypocrisy to say abortion is an individual woman’s choice, and then say it’s a state’s rights issue?
Just sayin’
March 12th, 2009 at 8:32 amwoke. you’re correct. It is either a right or it isn’t a right. If it is a right, then why should you empower an individual state to take away that right? If conservatives are advocating that the decision on whether it is a right or not, belongs in the hands of individual states, they cannot make a general judgement of whether it is a right or not. By leaving that decision to individual states, they are saying there is not universal truth on the subject, it a subjective matter to be determined by each of the individual states. It is then a very small step to say, if it’s a subjective matter, why is it a matter for the state at all.
Conservatives cannot have it both ways.
March 12th, 2009 at 9:02 am“Not me baby…”
“Not gonna happen baby…”
I wonder what’s underneath all of Steele’s baby talk…..
March 12th, 2009 at 9:05 amI am not entirely clear on perris’ point. So, let me examine it a littel, as there is some I agree with here:
perris Says:
if I am a lifeguard and someone is drowing in shark infested waters, I am NOT supposed to go in and save that person
Ummmm… not true, actually. Intersting set up for the argument that follows, but not true.
carrying a fetus to term is dangerous against your own life and ruinous to your physical health
Yes. Actually very true.
a fetus does not get to force it’s will on the host, the host decides if they want to sugger the health liabilies
That depends on your position; if you are a “pro-lifer” then you do NOT agree with this statement. But let’s be striaght — a fetus IS a parasite. We all begin as parasites. As such, the “host” does have the option to choose to continue to carry the parasite until it naturally completetes its parasite cycle, or to have it removed.
this is the real point
the court rightly suggested that once the fetus can survive if removed from the womb then it becomes too late and a contract has been made with fetus and host, the host is obligated haveing waited far to long
Ummmm… no. No “contract” is entered into at any point. This isn’t a business deal, and business analogies DO NOT apply to every situation there is. There is no contractual obligation between a human and a fetus. None. The fetus FORCES itself upon the human, and, like any other parasite, the fetus TAKES from the host whatever it needs without any “contractual obligations”, neither with any negotiations, nor even seeking permission. It just takes.
And UNTIL that fetus is outside the womb and existing completely on its own, it is still JUST A FETUS, not a human, and it is still a parasite ENTIRELY DEPENDANT upon the host body to survive. Whether it MIGHT be a ble to survive on its own is not relevant — it IS NOT DOING SO UNTIL IT IS BORN. As mentioned above, one can argue “mights” all day — that child MIGHT grow up to be a serial killer, mass murderer, rapist, etc. Might even grow up to kill its own mother. Might. The natural cycle determines when it will attempt to enter the world and exist independantly, but until that happens, evaluations of an ability to exist on its own are entirely speculative hypothesis, and in now way resemble FACTS.
March 12th, 2009 at 9:08 amWhoa, did backup just articulate, virtually word for word, the Democratic position on abortion?
March 12th, 2009 at 9:20 am______
CageyCretin Says:
The fetus FORCES itself upon the human,
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Yeah, that darn fetus willed its parents to have unprotected sex just so it could selfishly start growing.
March 12th, 2009 at 9:45 amHave you allowed any of your parasites to live? ;)
All these comments and not one person at TP or in this comment section have called attention to Michael Steele’s big lie in the GQ interview that pro-lifers were not allowed to speak at the DNC in 1992 (though Steele didn’t specify that convention in particular, that is the only such convention he could’ve been talking about in response to a question about how tolerant republicans are to pro-choicers versus democrats of pro-lifers).
The fact is and remains that Bob Casey Sr was not allowed to speak at the 1992 DNC because he refused to endorse Bill Clinton and thought he shouldn’t be the party’s nominee for president, NOT because of his pro-life views. In fact, at least EIGHT, that’s right, EIGHT pro-lifers gave speeches at the 1992 DNC.
TP should update its article with these facts.
MMFA/CF has more.
March 12th, 2009 at 10:58 amCageyCretin Says:
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As mentioned above, one can argue “mights” all day — that child MIGHT grow up to be a serial killer, mass murderer, rapist, Republican, etc.
Sorry CC, I couldn’t resist.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:21 pmChange is COMING.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:35 pmHe is just an another republican, who care only about His Republican Partym but dont care about US AMERICANS. He is representing Party od selfishness,lies,power,money. Party that dont give damn about anyone but them selfs. Now, they(republicans) are doing everything in ugliest way I have ever known to destroy, what they didnt have enought time for (12 years by by Bushes clan) and over 30 years as Government. Rush Limbough is a pure example, how ugly they became in last (especjaly)2 months. They want to destroy Obama, Middle class.US.McCain is showing how nasty He truly is. He supported Bush bail out with no question about, postponing debates, now He attack Obama for His bail OUT. How ugly!!!Sorry for bad English.
March 14th, 2009 at 2:07 amCramer is a joke, who ever believe His opinion is a nut and naive. I believe that some one is paying this guy missinforming about stocks and much more. MSNBC is making a big mistake and proving this show wit Cramer showing tha.MSNBC have no guts!!!!
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