Yesterday on MSNBC, former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer was back to defend President Bush’s legacy. One of the flack’s favorite subjects is the Iraq war. Last month, he went on CNN and said that Saddam Hussein — not the Bush administration — was actually “the big liar.” Yesterday he dragged out a long-recycled talking point: Saddam was behind 9/11. He also claimed that President Obama owes Bush a big “thank you”:
FLEISCHER: It was in part because of Iraq and large part because of the economy that Barack Obama won. Having said that, I also think Barack Obama should say thank you every day that he inherited a world without Saddam Hussein in it. The one thing people are going to remember the most is that he kept us safe. [...]
But after September 11th, having been being hit once, how could we take a chance that Saddam Hussein might not strike again? We got a report saying al Qaeda is determined to attack the United States. Well, that’s not a surprise. Of course, they are. It doesn’t say where, it doesn’t say when, it doesn’t say how. So, if you get a report like that, what do you do?
Watch it:
Let’s go over it again: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Of course, Bush and his ilk tried to convince the public that there was a connection in order to push for the invasion of Iraq.
In the past year, Bush administration officials have continued to defend this lie. As recently as December, Bush said that he stood behind his decision to push this discredited connection in order to go to war, even if the facts were wrong. Condoleezza Rice argued in July, “In the post 9/11 environment, you couldn’t let a threat to international peace and stability like that [Saddam] Hussein] remain.” Vice President Cheney is refusing to even admit that they were ever wrong, saying in March 2008, “Now, was that a link between Iraq and Al Qaeda? Seems to me pretty clear that there was.”
Over at the Wonk Room, Matt Duss looks at “the massive success of George W. Bush’s presidency” in Fleischer’s world, writing, “So Bush deserves no blame for the attack that occurred in the first year of his presidency, but he deserves full credit for the fact that no more attacks occurred for the rest of his presidency. I find this argument to be an insult to snake oil.”
(HT: Wayne Schneider and TP Zoo)
Strike? Again? Was he like a labor leader or something?
March 12th, 2009 at 12:34 pm/WTF
But after September 11th, having been being hit once, how could we take a chance that Saddam Hussein might not strike again?
Argh! The sssstupid! It hurtsss ussss!
March 12th, 2009 at 12:35 pmi thought i was the only one that caught that statement by Fleischer.
you know….i think they actually start believing their own lies.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:37 pmHe also claimed that President Obama owes Bush a big “thank you”
Sure. L’il Bush’s Wacky Iraqi Adventure made it very easy for a Democrat to reach the presidency. It would’ve been so much harder to replace the Republicans if Bush had, y’know, done his work as a President of the United States instead of acting like the global bully he was.
Thank you, Bush!
March 12th, 2009 at 12:38 pm“How could we take a chance” that the English won’t “strike again”?
March 12th, 2009 at 12:40 pmFleischer Defends Iraq Invasion: After 9/11, ‘How Could We Take A Chance’ That Saddam Might ‘Strike Again’?
– - I watched that interview with my jaw resting on my chest. Then I got angry. Flesicher rivals Rove for sheer smarminess and chutzpah.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:40 pmI agree with Olbermann: To say these things, Fleischer had to be stoned.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Did you also catch the one about bush’s historic high employment?
March 12th, 2009 at 12:40 pmSomebody please SLAP that man!
This is all part of the “legacy project”. I wonder how they will react when the ICC indicts Bush as a War Crminal??
Some “legacy” THAT will be !!
March 12th, 2009 at 12:42 pmI guess that’s a bad analogy… the English actually have struck us before.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:43 pmstrike again? what is he, french?
i really love whole “strike again” meme. i wonder if fleishers wife might come down here and “strip again” for us? of if his kids might “bring a gun to school again” anytime soon? how about he “lie again” on TV?
i like it. i will use it in all my discussions with republicans from here on out.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:43 pmThis just boggles the mind. These Bushbots just continue to casually talk about Saddam Hussein and 9/11 as if it’s accepted truth — figuring that by doing so without putting forth any evidence, people really WILL accept it.
I could understand the political reasons for doing so right after 9/11 when BushCo was desperately manufacturing a reason to invade Iraq. But now? The only possible reason is to manufacture some sort of legacy for Bush, and all they have are tired old debunked lies.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:45 pmHaving seen the whole segment last night, I’ve gotta hand it to Matthews on this one. Ari reminded me of a bald David Addington, snearing and lying while remaining self-righteous and pompous.
We the People will not be fooled again by you fools!
PEACE
March 12th, 2009 at 12:45 pmAnd then there’s this little tidbit:
We got a report saying al Qaeda is determined to attack the United States. Well, that’s not a surprise. Of course, they are. It doesn’t say where, it doesn’t say when, it doesn’t say how. So, if you get a report like that, what do you do?
Um, Ari, you got that Memo BEFORE 9/11, and your beloved Bush and his administration did nothing to address it.
Reality, you should try it sometimes
March 12th, 2009 at 12:46 pmHas someone chastized Arigant’s mother for failing to teach her son not to lie?????
March 12th, 2009 at 12:46 pm.
Dear Ari,
Ignoring intelligence about the impending 9/11/01 was something you and the Bush Administration did well…
… Congrats!
Be proud of that!
.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:46 pmI like Chris, but Tweety let him off with that one (Saddam striking again).
Also, Chris let him off with saying that Bush inherited a recession. I remember for a fact, during the Florida re-count, Limbaugh saying ‘As good as the economy is, Al Gore should have won by 10%’.
Other than those two things, Tweety did pretty good at calling Fleisher out on his lies.
¶ AIO
March 12th, 2009 at 12:48 pm10.666trolls Says: I guess that’s a bad analogy… the English actually have struck us before.
Yeah, first ‘The Spice Girls’…then the ‘Return of The Spice Girls.’
Our music may not recover….
March 12th, 2009 at 12:48 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
The only possible reason is to manufacture some sort of legacy for Bush, and all they have are tired old debunked lies.
Rather than manufacturing a legacy per se, they’re trying to whitewash that legacy: trying to gloss over the lies, the total lack of ethics, the selfishness, the stupidity, the venom, the egomania, the greed, the anarchy, the pig-headedness practiced by Shrub and his merry maniacs.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:50 pm“AGAIN”?!?!?!?!
March 12th, 2009 at 12:51 pm>during the Florida re-count, Limbaugh saying
> ‘As good as the
>economy is, Al Gore should have won by 10%’.
He probably did win in by that much, in actuality..floriday had some pretty spectacular instances of voter fraud…al gore getting negative 16,000 + votes in one electonic tally in one county, anyone with a name vaugely resembling that of a convicted felon being purged from voter rolls(unless you were hispanic, a minority, which, in florida, tends to vote republican), concerted efforts to set speed traps, etc around minority polling places…the list goes on..bush’s brother running the state certaintly didnt hurt these effforts..
March 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pmShouldn’t Arevisionist be selling used cars in the desert somewhere?
March 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pmSaddam strike us again? I don’t remember when he did it the first time. Now, I do remember he had a war with Iran, and invaded Kuwait, but when did he “strike” us? What is Ari smoking? That war was based on lies that the Bush Administration spoon fed the American public. Does Ari think no one remembers or that we poor dumb clucks out here in the heartland can actually read? Sheeesh!
March 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pm.
Oh, and Ari,
When exactly did Saddam strike America the first time?
You defend 9/11 all down the line; The incompetence, the lack of defense, leaving the President in a public location for over 30 minutes(while America was under attack), ignorance of lead up info, the subsequent war(s). What proof are you referring to that Saddam might strike America… AGAIN?
.
What a F_uickin’ blow hard…
… Defending something that never happened.
REMEMBER THE LIES:
1) Saddam NEVER truck on American soil.
2) There were no WMD’s
3) Saddam never had ties to Al-CIA-duh!
.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:55 pmhanshiro,
Ew, so true… but maybe the Beatles, Stones and The Fall ultimately even it out… maybe.
March 12th, 2009 at 12:55 pmAri’s probably just a little cranky because he can’t find any work. You know, employers generally don;t want a prospective employee who could be indicted one day…
http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog
March 12th, 2009 at 12:56 pmI also think Barack Obama should say thank you every day that he inherited a world without Saddam Hussein in it.
No, Bush should be thanking Obama for not tossing him and everyone in his adminstration who condoned toture for the sake of national security. I watched this interview in its entirety and it was bizzare. He wanted to completely disregard Bush’s screw up of 9/11 and take FULL credit for not having another attack since. And did he really think people believed him when he said he would’nt blame Obama if there was another attack? Yeah right! He and Karl Rove(soon to be jail bird Rove) would be the first ones pointing their finger at Obama. Obama has only been in office for two months and you already have Rove saying the economic crisis is his fault. As I said Bizzare and stupid!
March 12th, 2009 at 12:57 pmGoodness this lunatic has such a hardon for Bush! This nut lives in an alternate universe. Ari – just say no to drugs! Now that’s a slogan that the GOPers need to bring back from the Reagan era! LMAO!
March 12th, 2009 at 12:58 pm#10 666trolls,
March 12th, 2009 at 12:59 pmYes. And each time America never gave up personal Liberties as defined in the Constitution…
… Until Bush!
Stuck on Stupid.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:00 pmCue Will Ferrell.
You’re Welcome, America
March 12th, 2009 at 1:01 pmThis is infuriating! I find that I have this simmering anger at the Republican Party and esp Bush. I cannot look a Bush supporter in the eye without wanting to lose my temper. And where I live Bush supporters still exist…still wishing for him to be in office for a third term nonsense. And to hear this kind of BS still on the airwaves is so infuriating. What is their f**king problem? How can they be THAT comfortable to continue to lie thru their teeth like that? I know it’s a dumb question.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:02 pmAri is a putz
Ari lied all the time he was in the administration and the busheviks are still lying. When you see KKKarl or Ari or any of the thugs of the bushevik crime family, they will be lying their sitting down places off. Book it.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:02 pmFleischer is a deluded hack, of course, but Matthews is an idiot.
Being a reactionary ‘opinionator’ himself he doesn’t counter with facts to back up his arguments, he just goes cites recent public opinion to support his argument with Fleischer.
Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 9-11! That’s a fact.
Bush was warned about an impending attack against the US and ignored it. That’s a fact.
And let’s not forget Matthews’s crush on Bush for all these years. Matthews is an ADD-afflicted man-child and his indignance now is jarring, given that he has the job he has due to his ‘experience’.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:03 pmCongrats, Wayne Schneider. You be da man :)
Fleischer is a fool. It looked like an idiot on Hardball and sounded like a spoiled child.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:03 pmAri Fleischer — Professional Liar.
Just saying . . .
March 12th, 2009 at 1:04 pmIt gets worse. If this is true, it would eclipse the bush presidency and his disregard of the PDB (summary of Daily Show via Democratic Underground):
This was said at the end of the Stewart interview here. About the 4:20 mark.
The mind explodes….
March 12th, 2009 at 1:06 pmThis one puzzled me for a moment. Then I remembered EVERYTHING HE SAYS IS A LIE!
March 12th, 2009 at 1:08 pmIn a world based in reality, Ari would be raked across the coals for this.
In a country with an embarassing education level for a developed nation, an abnormally high predisposition for fundamentalism, a public practically drooling from its own self-imposed isolationism and rampant consumerism, this is just another valid viewpoint from another self-interested politician we’re too apathetic to research. “They’re all liars, so lets not really believe anyone! When’s my favorite sitcom on…?”
That’s why this shit works. Especially if you keep hammering away at it.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:12 pmWhat do you expect from anybody that served DURING the Bush admin? They are just as guilty as Bush for not telling the American people they were being LIED to. So now they must make Bush look good, for themselves to look good.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:13 pmLet’s see now….
Saddam’s Bath Govt=a puppet govt of the usa that was secular and denied the warring factions of Islam control of iraq’s govt….
and now?
An iraqnam invaded, destroyed and occupied by foreigners who share not looks or religion with their occupiers and whose govt is again a puppet govt.
The difference?
The current iraqnam constitution allows no law to be legislated that conflicts with Islamic Law…
ie….a THEOCRACY
Great job there, brownie….er ari…
March 12th, 2009 at 1:14 pmAgain, if 9/11 was an inside job, it would be quite easy to “keep us safe.”
Of course, Fleisher also ignores the beltway sniper and anthrax mailings.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:17 pmAnother huge lie Ari was peddling was that they quickly cleared up any allegations that Saddam had nuclear weapons and/or was developing them quickly. Right…other than many members of their administration (Rice, Bush and Cheney in particular) talking about the “mushroom cloud) which was repeated endlessly by the media echo chamber. And Powell’s presentation at the U.N. regarding aluminum tubes and yellow cake. All prior to the March 2003 invasion of Iraq and used to get the American people’s support for such an invasion. And the outing of a CIA agent (Plame) in revenge for her husband telling the world that no yellow cake was ever purchased from Niger…after the invasion had occurred..and so on and so forth. And let’s not forget the shift from Saddam actually possessing WMD to “pursuing WMD programs.” Once that whole meme failed, it was all about taking out a dictator on the basis of humanitarian issues. Well, the majority of Americans now know that we were lied into that war. The one thing the administration never did was tell us the truth of their motivations. It was about one thing: OIL.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:19 pmLet’s go over it again: Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. Of course, Bush and his ilk tried to convince the public that there was a connection in order to push for the invasion of Iraq.
There’s a piece missing here. For an extended period after it became clear that the Bush administration had lied to the American public (who persisted in believing that Saddam was, in fact, behind 9/11), Bush apologists insisted that HE NEVER SAID THAT. Right here on TP, these apologists parsed the words of Bush, Cheney and other staffers, claiming that they never actually said that Saddam was to blame.
This is just as important a lie as the original (and now revived) lie spouting from Ari Fleischer.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:22 pm“But after September 11th, having been being hit once, how could we take a chance that Saddam Hussein might not strike again?”
With comments like that, Fleischer goes beyond being an ignorant liar. He morphed into just plain stupid.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:24 pmHe also claimed that President Obama owes Bush a big “fu(k you”:
Fixed it
March 12th, 2009 at 1:25 pmTrollspotter..thanks for the Ferrel link. Wonderfully absurd, that ‘conversation’ rings so true!
March 12th, 2009 at 1:27 pmMy favorite part of the interview (besides saying that Saddam was responsible for 911) was when Fleischer told Matthews, in response to the PDB warning about AQ wanting to strike in the US, was the same as when Condi said “But it didn’t tell us when and where it would happen”. I fear for this nation if our intelligence community can’t act unless the enemy sends us a blueprint of their plans including who, what, when, where, why and how. I think that Matthews did a terrible job in this interview. He didn’t call Fleischer on equating Saddam and 911 and he didn’t point out that the PDB mentioned “attacking the US with airplanes”. So what if we didn’t know exactly where and when. That warning should have put all our airports on full alert and if that had happened, it may have prevented 911 from ever happening.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:29 pmTalk about a man who has never felt shame. What a whore.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/
March 12th, 2009 at 1:34 pmHow could we take a chance by leaving Osama bin Laden alive and free?
March 12th, 2009 at 1:37 pmWe got a report saying al Qaeda is determined to attack the United States. Well, that’s not a surprise. Of course, they are. It doesn’t say where, it doesn’t say when, it doesn’t say how. So, if you get a report like that, what do you do?
___________
Uh…it did.
#32 liberalinaredstate Says:
This is infuriating! I find that I have this simmering anger at the Republican Party and esp Bush. I cannot look a Bush supporter in the eye without wanting to lose my temper.
_____________
Well, calling them a F^c&!ng Idiot to their face and then annihilating them with facts and reality every chance I get helps me cope–maybe you can try it too.
I have done this with my bosses and co-workers, there are a lot of these around surprisingly. ;(
March 12th, 2009 at 1:38 pmI wonder if Ari’s display of being able to lie and becoming indignant when called on it will help him get another job.
March 12th, 2009 at 1:43 pmOf course their intelligence level is quite surprisingly low so they usually do not realize they’ve been insulted. I think this is due to the fact that they turned off their critical thinking skills long ago and have turned on their ‘thought-blockers’.
;)
March 12th, 2009 at 1:43 pmLet this be a reminder to everyone just how strong stupid can be.
March 12th, 2009 at 2:00 pmAri figured out a long time ago that his only hope for a paycheck would be to keep pushing BS for Bushco. He’s been way ahead of the curve the rest of the Bushies are following now. What a sad, sad, excuse for a man. (both of’em)
March 12th, 2009 at 2:02 pmAri is full of it when he says the Aug. 6th PDB did not say how bin Laden might attack. http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0409041pdb1.html Page 2 clearly states that bin Laden’s activities “were consistent with a highjacking attempt”. 5 weeks later bin Laden highjacks 4 passenger jets and the rest is history.
March 12th, 2009 at 2:07 pmYou know what’s a threat to international peace?
The U.S. mutherf’n ARMY!!!
March 12th, 2009 at 2:10 pmSeeing as how the Repukes constantly “confused” the name Obama with Osama during the elections maybe the good soldier Ari Fleischer meant to say that OSAMA should send Bush a thank you note.
March 12th, 2009 at 2:11 pmGlad you liked it, and I agree it really does ring true. Should be a great show Saturday 9 pm.
March 12th, 2009 at 2:14 pmagain ??
And he was let go without any Rebuttal question ?
That is what the problem is, the majority of media has became circus. They are simply filling hours, doing time pass and getting paid !!
March 12th, 2009 at 2:16 pmIt’s not just Bush’s legacy they are trying to whitwash — its the republican brand. No matter how hard they try to spin away from Bush (”He was not a REAL conservative”), the fact remains that the vast majority of the public, including many republicans, aren’t letting that go — Bush WAS a republican, and thus his actions and the actions of his administration reflect directly on Republicans, conservatives, and neoconservatives — AND THEIR IDEOLOGICAL POLICIES.
Thus: Bush=failure corresponds directly to conservative/republican ideas = failure
Bush is the albutross around the republican neck, and they are trying desperately to throw it overboard.
However, I hope the analogy isn’t too precise there, as the thought of an undead repugnican’t party is just too much to stand….
March 12th, 2009 at 2:18 pmFLEISCHER: The one thing people are going to remember the most is that he kept us safe. […]
Bush Depression. Katrina – Fema – “Heckuva job, Brownie”. 9/11. Abu Ghraib. Telecom spying. GITMO.
Nah, I’m sure there’s a LOT of things people are going to remember.
March 12th, 2009 at 2:20 pmOver this past summer, after evening golf, friends and I got into a heated (but not mean) argument over politics at our local watering hole. It was basically 4 righties vs. the lone leftie (myself). It involved them ridiculing the Democratic National Convention, and me ridiculing Bush as the worst president ever.
As the “debate” became more and more heated, one particular friend who leans about as right as Oxybreath, brought up a hypothetical scenario, which was that thank goodness Al Gore wasn’t president during 9/11. This raised my bull $hit argument detector, and I called him on it. As the back and forth rhetoric of meaningless, beer induced mythical debates continued, I finally straight up asked him “Does the occupation in Iraq justify 9/11?” He balked, and tried to change the subject (hey, like a troll), but I would not relinquish. After a few minutes of ignoring his requests, and repeating my question, he finally answered (looking down at the floor) “No!”
We then agreed to not argue anymore the rest of the night.
At least among my group of moderates/republican friends, they know Iraq has NOTHING to do with 9/11. So I wonder, who is Arie Farie pandering too? The uninformed trailer dwellers who believe in alien abductions and human spontaneous combustion?
Oh, and don’t mix beer and politics with friends!
March 12th, 2009 at 2:20 pmHeard that last night and was like — WTF? They have repeated that discredited lie so many times, I think they actually believe it. Uh, but history won’t.
March 12th, 2009 at 2:31 pmI agree with Bilbo #48 and they sure took advantage of Code Orange in the following years when it served them. Did I hear him right that because we were not attacked here after 9/11 that Bush was a great President? Please Ari-head!
March 12th, 2009 at 2:33 pm65. DRxJ Says: Over this past summer, after evening golf, friends and I got into a heated (but not mean) argument over politics at our local watering hole. It was basically 4 righties vs. the lone leftie (myself). It involved them ridiculing the Democratic National Convention, and me ridiculing Bush as the worst president ever.
If the U.S. ever put enough funding behind figuring out how to harness the energy in political arguments, the resultant surplus power overload will fry the grid.
Hell, just O’Reilly, Limbaugh and Hannity alone would account for substantial additions to both electricity and natural gas…lots of natural gas…
..oh, and not a little methane.
March 12th, 2009 at 2:43 pmJudas speaks. Takes notes, everyone.
March 12th, 2009 at 3:02 pmMatthew’s should have stopped him right there.
That’s how they sell those lies.
“strike again” implies they struck a first time, which is a lie.
March 12th, 2009 at 3:43 pmYeah, we should all thank Bush for not being attacked since 2001. I guess Bush, Ari, and all the wackos can thank Clinton for not getting attacked from 1993-2001.
Clinton was able to do it without getting 4,260 + US military personnel killed.
Clinton was able to do it without getting over 31,000 Military personnel seriously wounded and maimed.
Clinton did it without causing psychology damage and injuries to over 100,000 US Military personnel and tearing apart many families.
Clinton did it without creating 4-5 million Iraqi refugees.
Clinton did it without compromising all of the United State’s credibility.
Clinton did it without torturing people!
Clinton did it without violating our privacy
THANK YOU PRESIDENT BUSH!
March 12th, 2009 at 4:02 pmThanks for the hat tip, Amanda. :-)
Actually, we’re called “TheZoo” now.
March 12th, 2009 at 4:28 pmRucking Fetard.
March 12th, 2009 at 5:36 pmHow long before FoKKKs “news” hires him.
Yes, thanks, Amanda. And MsJoanne authored the post you linked to. And a fine post it is, too. :)
March 12th, 2009 at 6:45 pmA Bush cretin spewing lies so the stupid people will repeat stupidity to their stupid friends…
….a vicious repeating circle of stupid….
…kind of like reading Archie Blowsgoats posts.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:06 pmSaddam didn’t have anything to do with the 9/11 attacks. To me, as an American citizen, killing him off is completely irrelevant. Is Iraq a little safer now that hes gone? Arguably. Do I care? Not at all.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:26 pmfleischer , why did you quit, even bush said there was no link between saddam and 09/11.
March 12th, 2009 at 7:30 pmPut him in jail for complicity to treason and war crimes.
March 12th, 2009 at 8:25 pmFor those who complained that Matthews didn’t call Ari on this bullshite line: haven’t you ever noticed that, more often than not, Tweety isn’t really paying attention to what the other person is saying, especially just before they’re going to go to a break. He’s listening to his earpiece, watching his monitor, more like he’s just waiting ’til the other person stops talking so that he can do his ‘thanks (whoever), when we come back…’ spiel. Supposedly he admitted that he didn’t even hear it, and found out from all the emails that he received afterwards.
Oh, and, WAY TO GO, HONEY! :D
March 12th, 2009 at 9:49 pmBut after September 11th, having been being hit once, how could we take a chance that Saddam Hussein might not strike again?
All that comes to mind when I read this is a “bunch of wing
March 12th, 2009 at 10:06 pmnuts and clowns”! I can’t figure were honsty and pramatism come into play with these people. I am not an idiot or a looser Mr.Fleischer. After watching your adminstration put my country in a serious mess and reduce your party to a bunch of nitwits, I think you owe it to us to go home and shut-up.
We will not give you the opportunity to rewrite history!
Weren`t the Anthrax attacks after 9/11?Funny how these guys forgot about it and it`s even funnier that they happened to two dems Leahy and Dashle who were going to vote on the Patriot Act.Go to hell Ari and the rest of the Bushco crime family.You have to hand it to them they gave Iraq democracy from the barrel of a gun.As i understand it the Iraqi Constitution has Sharia Law written into it,how`s that working out,not very good I`m sure,Sharia Law does not allow for democracy does it.
March 13th, 2009 at 12:27 amIn another life, Fleischer would probably be a Holocaust denier, he’s just that out of touch with reality.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:39 amStill touting the lies I see.
March 13th, 2009 at 12:25 pmThey guys just have no flippin clue what so ever.