Obama administration withdraws ‘enemy combatant’ definition.
By on Mar 13th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Obama administration withdraws ‘enemy combatant’ definition.
Today, the Obama Justice Department abandoned one of the most prominent phrases of the Bush administration — “enemy combatant.” In a filing with the DC District Court, the DoJ said that it would no longer use the term and asserted a new standard for the government’s authority to hold detainees at Gitmo. The Obama administration is still claiming that it has the authority to hold prisoners there, but it will now be based on authority from Congress and the international laws of war. The Bush administration claimed that the president could unilaterally hold prisoners without charge.
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Thank you, nation, for finally putting a grown-up back in the White House. Unitary executive my ass. Just Bush’s way of implementing his “my way or the highway” petulance.
PEACE
March 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pmNow THIS is what law and order look like.
March 13th, 2009 at 4:30 pmSo what does that make the Guantanamo detainees, then? Are they now prisoners of war as defined by the Geneva Conventions?
March 13th, 2009 at 4:40 pmUm, why not just call them “prisoners of war”?
March 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pmKlatu Says:
WTF? That’s change, Obama can hold them but it’s different because he’s the Messiah.
March 13th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
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No. It’s different because it’s based on a standard adopted by Congress, not the whim of a unitary executive.
March 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pmPop! Pop! Pop! Pop!
Heads are exploding everywhere!
March 13th, 2009 at 4:43 pm4. hussein toasterhead Says: So what does that make the Guantanamo detainees, then? Are they now prisoners of war as defined by the Geneva Conventions?
I’m getting the impression it will be based pending a review of the detainee policy; although this phrase is somewhat troubling:
It doesn’t say ‘congress,’ it says ‘the president.’ Not encouraging, if I read it correctly, however much a politician, any politician, is viewed as trustworthy.
March 13th, 2009 at 4:48 pmHi Archie B:
March 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pmShall I start f ucking with you?
Bush is busy kicking the walls in in his new house…
…Cheney is too busy with his DEATH SQUAD to care.
March 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pmArchie, your posts are always simple but very seldom “plain”. They’re usually pretty durn confused.
March 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pm9. Archie B Says: Obama administration withdraws ‘enemy combatant’ definition. Appeasement, plain and simple.
Yes, we’re ceding our lexicon to pacify the encroaching PoliticalCorrectocracy. We could individual letters, even whole metaphors…
March 13th, 2009 at 4:54 pmThanks, spaceman, for your somewhat less nuanced and… oh, hell, let’s just say it — more moronic interpretation. We know you’re probably in a hurry to get your whining points typed and posted, and you don’t have time to come up with anything more substantive.
But thanks for the effort.
March 13th, 2009 at 4:56 pmKlatu Says:
rmwarnick Says:
Um, why not just call them “prisoners of war”?
Maybe because there has been no formal declaration of war against an internationally recognized government?
Hmm, I don’t think we had one of those in Vietnam either…
March 13th, 2009 at 4:58 pmSo John McCain was an ‘enemy combatant’ then?
I think he’d take issue with that… and there are plenty of Bikers outside with P.O.W./M.I.A. flags that want to talk to you too…
No, Archie, I don’t call it “substantive”. I call it “snarky”.
The two aren’t mutually exclusive, but I don’t really expect you to be able to tell the difference.
Why did you think I would call it “substantive”?
March 13th, 2009 at 4:59 pmDoes anyone else think Klatu = Trajan?
March 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pmNow this is what an american presidency SHOULD look like. We’ve drifted so far beyond the pale under Dictator Bush that in only 50+ days, Obama’s presidency looks absolutely NOTHING like that of Herr Bush.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pm14.Archie B Says: Obama administration withdraws ‘enemy combatant’ definition.
Anybody that agrees with this should be forced to let one of those “non enemy combatants” live in their house.
Eh? Just because they changed a term, it implies a change in residency? Does that mean that since they changed the term from ‘retarded’ to ‘challenged,’ that you get free room and board?
March 13th, 2009 at 5:01 pmWAAAAAAH! I’m scared now.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:01 pmNow that Canada has declared war on Bush and will either arrest him or ban him from their country when he’s supposed to be presenting a speech, isn’t it about time for the international community war crimes tribunals to kick into high gear?
Surely, if we fail to police our own criminals, the rest of the world will be happy to do it for us.
Sadly, it will look us look like a gang of complicit spineless frauds if we don’t take the initiative before they do.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pmProbably, are you saying that the north Vietnamese followed the Geneva Accords? You are a fool.
Nope- and when we don’t we look just as bad…
March 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pmWell, ArchiBald, the problem with ‘enemy combatant’ was anyone [even you] could be considered combatant by the president, no charge needed.
Now you must be charged with being a combatant before being detained.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pmKlatu: Go back to your planet of origin which is Uranus!
March 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pmWTF are you talking about. McCain is a nobody from nowhere and lost the campaign – in case you weren’t able to crawl out of your earthen hole to notice.
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Dear TROLLS,
… Sucks when America follows Geneva Conventions, YES?
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March 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pmOf course, the stupid trolls are oblivious to the fact that we don’t follow international law for the benefit of our enemies, whether real or imagined. The reason for a civilized nation to follow international law is for the protection of its own citizens. That’s pretty much all of us here. (No offense to those from other countries intended.)
That’s right, stupid trolls. President Obama just made it safer for Americans to travel abroad. He made you safer. Why not try to act like you deserve it?
March 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pmArch and Klatu: read this part
“…but it will now be based on authority from Congress and the international laws of war.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pm.
Dear Archie B,
Principles…
… Or Ideology?
Which is it?
Why do you refuse to answer?
COWARD?
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March 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pmExplain please? How is it hypocritical?
March 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pm12. Klatu Says: In other words, It’s ok if a democrat does it.
Actually, my post implied just the opposite. You should be well familiar with the term “not encouraging,” K, since you doubtless hear it on dates frequently…
March 13th, 2009 at 5:05 pmProbably, are you saying that the north Vietnamese followed the Geneva Accords?
People are jumping off a cliff and ArchiBald and Klatu follow…
March 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Does anyone else think Klatu = Trajan?
You mean because he couldn’t even spell Klaatu?
March 13th, 2009 at 5:07 pmWatch this…
Archie B will lick my stanky hole is I tell him to without protest as he knows who owns him. He will not respond no matter how I abuse him. He is hoping I will grow tired of smearing his shit stained pussy ass but it ain’t happening now is it Archie…
It is sort of sad that someone can be such gutter trash but hey his momma raised him to be what he became…
March 13th, 2009 at 5:07 pmArchibald: [falling into the abyss] Why did we jump off the cliff, Klatu?
Klatu: I dunno, It seemed like a good idea. The Vietnamese were doing it.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:08 pm.
Dear Klatu,
If you read it correctly, Obama is deferring to the standard…
… THE RULE OF LAW!
You know, where Treaties entered into and ratified by the Senate ARE the Law of the Land. You know, something dear Herr Bush shirked.
The difference between Bush and Obama is that Obama defers to the Principles outlined in the Constitution of the USA where as Bush decided to CRAP on the Constitution and DICTATE what the law is at any given moment.
Now, which would you prefer?
Someone that follows the Law of the Land, or someone who says, “Screw it, I AM the LAW”?
.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:09 pmI think my point has been made yet again Archie B. See ya next time…
March 13th, 2009 at 5:10 pmMy god, you are stupid. I thought Archie was a dolt, but you’ve left him in the dust with this one.
To help you understand:
In response to another poster, you said, above:
belac replied:
Hmm, I don’t think we had one of those in Vietnam either…
So John McCain was an ‘enemy combatant’ then?
Now, a normally-functioning English-speaking human being would recognize the trail of this conversation; your objection to calling these detainees “prisoners of war” has been shot down, since John McCain was a “prisoner of war” in another undeclared military action.
Somehow, you read into belac’s response a claim that the North Vietnamese followed the Geneva Convention. Very weird, the way your mind seems to work.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pmArchie B Says:
Anybody that agrees with this should be forced to let one of those “non enemy combatants” live in their house.
I’m not one to get into ‘feeding the trolls’ but this is just plain stupid.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pmThis thread is not about letting the prisoners back out on the street.
Archie B Says:
Anybody that agrees with this should be forced to let one of those “non enemy combatants” live in their house.
March 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
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Sounds good to me. I call dibs on one of the Uyghurs!
March 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pmApologies, it looks like hanshiro at 25 has covered that.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pmHere is the DOJ release in its entirety. I don’t see the part about authority from congress, perhaps I’m not interpreting it correctly:
March 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
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#9 Archie B said:
So Archie B,
So that is what is it called when the President of the USA enforces the law, appeasement?
What then, is it called when he usurps the Rule of Law?
Maybe you can enlighten us…
Name the redeeming quality to USURPING THE RULE OF LAW?
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March 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pmKlatu Says:
ralph the wonder llama Says:
Does anyone else think Klatu = Trajan?
I don’t
We already know you don’t think.
Too easy.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:17 pm46 is tops. Too bad Archie doesn’t get the joke…
March 13th, 2009 at 5:17 pmGood afternoon, dbadass.
I’m going way off topic but, I stumbled upon a YouTube series of an interview with Barbara Forrest, one of the leading critics of Intelligent Design. If you get tired of vivisecting the trolls, I highly recommend it. Here’s a link to the intro.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cwvE0owTmk&feature=channel
BTW. The snow is disappearing, again, and I saw two robins today and a flock of swans.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:19 pmSorry I ment Archie B. Even total idiots deserve to have their name spelled correctly
March 13th, 2009 at 5:20 pm#48 hanshiro,
Second paragraph…
March 13th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Klatu Says:
In other words, It’s ok if a democrat does it.
March 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
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Nobody here is saying that, racist.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:21 pmHi pete. I assume Mute Swans right? I’ll check out the link when I get in later tonight. I am already late for my night gig
March 13th, 2009 at 5:23 pmbest-
watchpup Attempts:
Hysterical over-the-top caricature of right-wing stereotype of liberal views.
Caricature fails because watchpup is not familiar enough with reality to be able to approximate it with any precision or comedic impact.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pm56.Max-1 Says:
#48 hanshiro,
Second paragraph…
The definition does not rely on the President’s authority as Commander-in-Chief independent of Congress’s specific authorization. It draws on the international laws of war to inform the statutory authority conferred by Congress.
Thanks, Max. I read that first sentence with a different emphasis. D’ohh!
March 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pmWhat a thread. Apparently, some people are having a hard time re-adjusting to the rule of law after eight years of dictatorship.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:28 pmdbadass:
Yep. Mute swans. Though there is a backwater near my place that has a flock of Trumpeters who have been nesting there for several years.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:30 pmIt is sort of sad that someone can be such gutter trash but hey his momma raised him to be what he became…
Ok, I have to interrupt for just a moment if I could. This is Archie’s Mom and I have some splainin to do.There’s a reason for Archie’s lack of self esteem and I hope that you can show some compassion.
When Archie was but a child his father left us for his other cousin, she was younger than I and she had more teeth. I was left to fend for myself and I resorted to the “oldest profession” to keep Archie in cereal and food on the table, plus a little left over for the crack pipe.
Little Archie was so cute, he used to clean me up for the next client and his little tongue was so gentle. Especially after I had been hit in the behind, which is also an explanation for the behavior badass pointed out.
Anyway, be easy on my little guy. I have tried to get him some professional help, but until he does, or until the law catches up with him, you are just going to have to live with his ramblings. Please just flag him and his BFF Klatu (Trajan) on sight.
Thanks so much.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:30 pm63. nanlichi Says:
At least being preoccupied with the keyboard keeps him from burning hisself on the still…
March 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pmDoes anyone remember the secret code to get Klatu to go away,
Nicto…something…
March 13th, 2009 at 5:37 pmBut man that Archie can make a banjo sing!
March 13th, 2009 at 5:37 pmKlaatu barada nikto.. found it on the interwebs…
Oh, nobody say it, so Klatu can’t come back from the dead!!!
March 13th, 2009 at 5:39 pmhanshiro,
March 13th, 2009 at 5:40 pmnp.
:)
This sounds good. This was one of those things that made it seem like America was going down the crapper. The (alleged) president can just come up with some word and define a person as such and that somehow gives him the justification to lock them up indefinitely (and torture them and their children).
So this is good that this stuff is gone. But, is there something more to this? Will there be some “compromise” where they are still treated as if they have no rights but they are simply no longer called “unlawful enemy combatants”?
March 13th, 2009 at 5:42 pm.
Dear watchdog,
Miss Bush much?
.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:43 pmRUCerious Says:
Klaatu barada nikto.. found it on the interwebs…
See! I told you he couldn’t spell Klaatu.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:46 pmgummitch, that is one fumb ducking troll, can’t even spell his own name.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:48 pmThe Clinton Administration caught,prosecuted and put in prison the bombers of the ‘93 World Trade Center without making up some BS story about them being “enemy combatants,” or trashing the Bill of Rights, why couldn’t “little W and his facist counterpart Cheney do the same?
March 13th, 2009 at 5:50 pmWhat a coincidence,the Republicans and their grab for never-ending power,lasted about as long as the Third Reich did! What’s left is struggling to hang on and bring the country down with them, but it won’t work!
gummitch, RUC,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIaxSxEqKtA
LOL…
March 13th, 2009 at 5:50 pmKlem Kiddilehopper,
And Clinton didn’t make up some BS story about WMD’s, aluminum tubes, yellow cake uranium, imminent threats, ties to al-CIA-duh, smoking guns, mushroom clouds, suitcase nukes, etc…
… Just to invade an occupy TWO countries just to secure pipelines of OIL, either!
Oh, did I also mention, that Clinton kept America safe, just like Georgie did? You know, from “OTHER” attacks.
p.s.
Clinton also didn’t foment aggressions that subsequently let loose a wave of death and destruction to innocent people.
.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:56 pmOops.
Never mind. More doublespeak from the GD government.
FTFA:
It’s the same old carp.
March 13th, 2009 at 5:59 pmArchie Blowsgoats and Klapoo sure demonstrate the sick, criminal mind set of the Reichwingers…
…they don’t have a grip on reality at all, they think it like a TV show.
March 13th, 2009 at 6:00 pm14.Archie B Says:
Anybody that agrees with this should be forced to let one of those “non enemy combatants” live in their house.
This is so typical of you rightwingnutcrazymfs – trying to stir up fear with your nonsense and lies. What a loser you are! AHAHAHAHAHAH! I’d feel safer around those “non enemy combatants” than around wingnuts like you.
March 13th, 2009 at 6:04 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
nanlichi Says:
But man that Archie can make a banjo sing!
He CLAIMED on the PREVIOUS THREAD that the VERY UNPOPULAR BUSH was MORE POPULAR than OBAMA IS at this point in his ADMINISTRATION!! ROTFL!!
Maybe I left too soon. That’s actually very funny.
March 13th, 2009 at 6:08 pm<strong>HALLELUJAH!
The Geneva Conventions apply to everybody, everybody, everybody..
An honorable and noble nation (such as I want my nation to be) abides by its treaties and leads by example.
March 13th, 2009 at 6:16 pmAlejandro,
Please refer to my reply to hanshiro at #56…
Congress gave the “President” the authority…
… Which is what should be at the core of the debate.
Dear Members of Congress,
Where is the Declaration of War?
An AUMF is like having the ability to use mom and dad’s car, just not specifically on any given day, time, date, license, etc. based on previous permission granted. It simply is irresponsible of Congress to relinquish said Constitutional Powers to ONE person.
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March 13th, 2009 at 6:18 pm.
Hi Archie B,
Got an answer yet?
.
March 13th, 2009 at 6:19 pmArchie Blowsgoats is our old friend Jake…
…notice the other day how now he is making up a story about how he is retired CIA agent?
…Jake the fake retired Korean War Vet.
What a cretin.
March 13th, 2009 at 6:28 pmArchie B Says:
Appeasement, plain and simple.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Typical Archie. STUPIDITY plain and simple. Your ignorance truly knows no bounds MORON
March 13th, 2009 at 6:33 pmArchie B Says:
You really are astonishingly STUPID arent you? The rule of law means nothing to you and you want a King. You are a coward and a punk. Making up a term to create a black hole in the law and our constitutions is just fine with you as long as someone tells you it will save you from those scary foriegn guys. WWWWAAHHHHHHH says Archie. The yellow streak down your back is an embarassment to all decent Americans. Either people are POWS or they are criminals and we have to decide which and treat them that way. The way we did it during the Second World War. You ignorant cowardly punks just make me sick. You cant WAIT to give up your freedom. You are screaming for your chains. You are far too cowardly to be free. You are ignorant and you are a punk.
March 13th, 2009 at 6:39 pmgood thing archie’s got the dogwash coverin’ his back…
…some of these lefties woulda tried slippin it to him by now were it not for his faithful wingman….
Semper Duh, mighty heroes!!!
March 13th, 2009 at 6:39 pmArchie B Says:
I think a better term would be liberal hypocrisy.
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YOU would think that but only if I use the term THINK in its broadest possible interpretation. YOU dont think. YOU are far too stupid to think. YOU dont have the requisite equipment to think. So yes YOU would think so because of yoru conservative STUPIDITY
March 13th, 2009 at 6:43 pmwatchdog Says:
These innocent free loving people were stripped from the loving arms of their families because Republicans hate brown people.
Obama will help the Iraqi people return to the wonderful world of a dictatorship. YES HE WILL!!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
You do know you are a moron right? Satire is nuanced and not for amatuers. YOU are far too stupid to even come CLOSE to pulling it off. While I do enjoy watching you humiliate yourself trying perhaps you shouldnt quit your day job.
March 13th, 2009 at 6:46 pmGiven the choice, I’d feel safer with one of the ‘enemy combatants’ living in my house than a troll. I could always learn Arabic or any other foreign language.
Trying to figure out Trollspeak? Putting up with all the grumbling from the basement? Going broke buying Cheetos? Having to explain to the neighbors why so many inflatable dolls are being delivered?
March 13th, 2009 at 6:47 pmShaaadapa ya face, Archie
March 13th, 2009 at 6:47 pmObama administration withdraws ‘enemy combatant’ definition.
Not another turd in the Bush legacy punchbowl?
If there’s no longer an “enemy combatant” designation, do the Gitmo prisoners have legal recourse to sue Bush administration officials, for adhering to a policy that had no legal precedent? Usually these things are sorted out in the Supreme Court, but since using the term in legal proceedings was an act unprecedented, don’t we now have an obligation to push this all the way to the SCOTUS for legal clarification, in the cases of prisoners’ civil suits?
March 13th, 2009 at 6:54 pm.
Daer John Kerry,
… And McBush would have been better?
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March 13th, 2009 at 6:55 pmArchie, Archie, Archie. We can treat those formerly known as “enemy combatants” as the accused and go to court like big people. We don’t have to grant them superpowers above and beyond the capability of actual combatants captured on the battlefield. We should treat all prisoners of war according to the rules of the Geneva Convention, just as we would have liked for Senator McCain and any other U.S. soldier to be treated in accordance with the convention. It’s not that hard.
March 13th, 2009 at 7:00 pmbarfly,
That depends on what the current president does…
… Well, that sorta solves that mystery.
Yet, there is hope…
And then there’s the Law…
Which might force Obama’s hand.
March 13th, 2009 at 7:07 pm.
Dear Archie B,
I see you…
… Still a coward?
.
March 13th, 2009 at 7:08 pmJK
GOD HELP US!!!!
There is no God.
You’re screwed.
March 13th, 2009 at 7:14 pmMax-1 Says:
barfly,
That depends on what the current president does…
What the Scotus rules, will be the decider.
March 13th, 2009 at 7:17 pmwhew – i was beginning to think JK had “gone Galt” on us, and decided to deprive us of his GOLD AND BOLD brand of insane genius.
oh JK, how we little people live for your mighty contributions.
hey JK, which operation “we surround them” cell are you in? which Crackerbarrel do you guys meet at?
March 13th, 2009 at 7:24 pmbarfly,
I don’t disagree with you.
These cases should go before the Courts, even up to the SCOTUS. However, with the history of Justice in America and the Justices on the Court and Obama’s obstruction to individual torture cases, reality indicates the light of day will be shielded from Justice, all together. Until Obama realizes just how he too, can be an accessory to the fact, and presses the Courts for action.
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March 13th, 2009 at 7:25 pmArchie B Says:
You’re a disgrace to the real eugene deb.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
I dont think so but YOU are a disgrace period. Ignorant. Cowardly. Stupid and a punk troll. When I get half as stupid as you are THEN I will be a disgrace.
March 13th, 2009 at 7:27 pm.
TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 1 > ACCESSORY AFTER THE FACT
http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/uscode18/usc_sec_18_00000003—-000-.html
March 13th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
JK you are the most brainwashed and ignorant poster I have ever seen. You have no brain whatsoever and just repeat the stupid nonsense Rush told you to think. NO Obama did NOT promise to end earmarks that is a lie Rush told you to think just like the stupid porkulous thing is straight out of Rush’s mouth. Arent you embarassed to be so stupid and brainwashed to just repeat Rush over and over? Do you ever look in the mirror and cry about how stupid you are? Does your complete inabilty for higher brain function humiliate you as it should or is self respect a completely alien concept to you? You are nothing but an ignorant worthless troll.
March 13th, 2009 at 7:31 pmwatchdog Says:
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Why do we just have around 170 of these people and not more if the government was playing, who gets to go to camp gitmo duck, duck, goose.
If these people are so kind and gentle, why doesn’t Obama just make them American citizens and give them a college grant in aeronautics?
<strong>watchdog – that’s a silly statement. The reason the detainees are being held is because GW Bush and his a$$ kissers did not keep accurate records on why they were detaining these people in the first place. Most weren’t formally charged with any crime – just held. An investigation must take place prior to their release. Formal charges need to be made. The law must be followed – YOU MORON!
Follow the link and read Archie B, John Kerry and you other rightwingnutcrazyrethuglican fools!
http://www.hrw.org/features/guantanamo
March 13th, 2009 at 7:46 pm.
Dear John Kerry,
Who’s calling Obama the Messiah…
… But YOU!
I guess the First Commandment is irrelevant, YES?
Can we get a ruling from Daryyl on this?
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March 13th, 2009 at 7:48 pmThere he is…
wooo-hoooo JK – you’re a big bad killah – yeah baby!!!
Bold that sh*t BRO! Yeah!!
these people here are all EATIN IT now that you BROUGHT IT LIKE A MAD MAN ON FIRE!!!!
March 13th, 2009 at 7:48 pmChanging definitions will not get the job done. In order to send a clear message into the future, the Criminals Bush and Cheney must go to jail, so others will not try to repeat their crimes.
March 13th, 2009 at 7:48 pmwatchdog:
It’s going to take awhile for President Obama to unravel the MESS of Guantamo Bay that Dumbya Bush created!
Here’s another story – get a clue! Archie B, John Kerry you both ought to clue in too!
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/10/23/vandeveld/index.html
March 13th, 2009 at 7:55 pmI’ll be grateful if you can produce a single progressive poster who ever suggested that these detainees were “so kind and gentle”.
I’m sure you can, since your post was based on this observation, right?
March 13th, 2009 at 8:01 pmJK 112
Your post is further evidence of how brainwashed, stupid, and pathetic you are. First after all your ignorant, ranting, delusional posts you try to sarcastically denigrate MY absolutly factual post? Your capacity for self delusion is astonishing. Then you AGAIN break out what RUSH told you to think calling Obama messiah something ONLY rightwing morons say and ATTRIBUTE to the left. You do that for the obvious reason. YOU are stupid JK. Very VERY stupid. You KNOW you are too stupid to think for yourself so you embarass yourself constantly by giving us a re-run of the Rush Limbaugh show. Face it. You are of the Limborg. You have been assmilated into the hivemind. You were born a moron, you are a moron now and you will die a moron. That is just your life.
March 13th, 2009 at 8:02 pmBy the way JK nice try. Your attempt to stop me from pointing out that you NEVER post anything you didnt get from Rush Limbaugh OR point out how ignorant, stupid, and brainwashed you are but you are FAR too stupid to manipulate me.
March 13th, 2009 at 8:05 pmchat
March 13th, 2009 at 8:16 pmThese cases should go before the Courts, even up to the SCOTUS. However, with the history of Justice in America and the Justices on the Court and Obama’s obstruction to individual torture cases, reality indicates the light of day will be shielded from Justice, all together. Until Obama realizes just how he too, can be an accessory to the fact, and presses the Courts for action
JK so you posted to say it isnt worth posting? You do know you are an astoshingly stupid moron dont you? Cant figure out Limborg? Of course not. I mean any reasonably bright ten year old could but you are so VERY ignorant.
March 13th, 2009 at 8:17 pmHi Troll JK.
March 13th, 2009 at 8:17 pmHey that’s right – we’re surrounded by “patriot cells” as of today. Glenn “Red Dawn” Beck and President of Texas Chuck Norris are supposed to have unleashed a maelstrom of Rand-y Objectivism on us all today, to teach us what we’ll get for experimenting with socialism (and/or masturbation).
How’s it going out there, others? Any skirmishes to report?
I haven’t seen any of them yet, but they’re probably wearing some camo, so I’m keeping both eyes trained on my perimeter…
March 13th, 2009 at 8:34 pmBiranda,
March 13th, 2009 at 8:39 pmNice try DIP$HIT!
Still flagging your sorry ass for PORN SPAMMING!
The “Limborg”(????????????)
It’s a type of very smelly cheese, cultivated between the toes of unwashed young trolls.
March 13th, 2009 at 8:43 pmfikiredin.blogcu.com Says: Nothing, just spamming.
fous le camp!
March 13th, 2009 at 8:43 pmI’ve been flagging the spam on every thread. Did the freaks actually find someone smart enough to write malicious code? Oh well. Time to email Faiz and get the creeps shut down.
March 13th, 2009 at 8:51 pmYESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS> The rule of law has returned to the United States after an 8 year hiatus. I love my President!!
March 13th, 2009 at 8:57 pmJohn Kerry Says:
Duh!!!!
I guess you know about the cheese, eh?
March 13th, 2009 at 9:01 pmHow much do they give you a pound?
The Legend Says:
links please
thx
March 13th, 2009 at 9:03 pmI see Troll JK has condensed all of his wit and wisdom into a single, pithy, monosyllabic utterance.
Congrats, Troll JK! You’ve learned the value of brevity.
March 13th, 2009 at 9:06 pm#122 biranda,
Thanks for quoting me. Next time cite me as your source… K?
p.s.
One link in your name is ENOUGH! We don’t need extra links all over the place. Besides, what language is your site in? It’s useless to most of us if we can’t read it.
Eh too, fikiredin.blogcu.com?
While y’all might have something to contribute, the SPAM to sites that are irrelevant to us get FLAGGED. Consistent SPAM may be considered abuse…
… What say the moderators?
.
March 13th, 2009 at 9:06 pmThe Legend,
LOL…
LOL…
LOL…
LOL…
… And yet, We the People VOTED him in.
Hate Democracy much?
.
March 13th, 2009 at 9:08 pm#129 John Kerry,
Now that’s the smartest thing you’ve said all night!
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March 13th, 2009 at 9:10 pmLegend Says:
March 13th, 2009 at 9:12 pmObama is a commie,fascist,socialist,nazi,bigblackman.
WAAAAAAAAHHHAAAA>
go wash your pisssoaked self off.
Pathetic
Max1,
March 13th, 2009 at 9:14 pmEVER!
The Legend Says:
Barack Obama’s attorneys took another step to destroy the Constitution of the United States this time in a California State Court.
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Gee… how about a detailed, Constitutionally based explanation of your rabid, hysterical claim, here?
BTW, it is considered good manners to cite the source of your QUOTE when posting. Afraid you won’t be taken seriously if folks find out you’re getting that blurb from a extreme wingnutter blog?
http://www.desertconservative.com/2009/03/13/letter-to-senator-ensign-as-our-court-system-is-corrupted/
March 13th, 2009 at 9:20 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Congrats, Troll JK! You’ve learned the value of brevity.
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Geez, ralphie… encroaching on db’s turf?
March 13th, 2009 at 9:21 pmThe Legend,
The Google tells me all sorts of stuff…
… Martians are green
… Poop tastes good
… Bush is not a WAR CRIMINAL
… The Legend is a fake
See, the Google tells me all sorts of crap, NO?
… And yet, you like the taste of yours?
.
March 13th, 2009 at 9:22 pmThe Legend must be busy concocting another one.
March 13th, 2009 at 9:24 pmTRoS,
March 13th, 2009 at 9:24 pmWe’re fillin’ in. He’s off doing a gig tonoight.
#142 TRoS,
March 13th, 2009 at 9:27 pmDat sur wuz a good Latter they rote, EH?
The Legend Says: google
LOL
You sayin you got nuthin?
Yep, thought so TOOL.
Just FYI, neither does BERG!
Pathetic as usual
March 13th, 2009 at 9:28 pmMax-1 Says:
TRoS,
We’re fillin’ in. He’s off doing a gig tonoight.
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Hooooookay… but don’t forget… he’s db’s.
I mean, do any of YOU want to foot those vet bills?
March 13th, 2009 at 9:32 pmMax-1 Says:
#142 TRoS,
Dat sur wuz a good Latter they rote, EH?
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Strange watching these fools spin and spin and spin, hoping they get lucky, innit?
I wonder what Chucky Norris and his 5.000 wingnut militias are up to tonight?
March 13th, 2009 at 9:34 pm#150 TRoS,
March 13th, 2009 at 9:37 pmPlottin’ against America, I guess?
Max-1 Says:
#150 TRoS,
Plottin’ against America, I guess?
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I’d be interested in hearing what the FBI thinks of that nonsense.
March 13th, 2009 at 9:38 pm#152 TRoS,
March 13th, 2009 at 9:46 pmMe too.
Max-1 Says:
#152 TRoS,
Me too.
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Hopefully we’ll find out one of these days.
I was a little stunned at just how blatantly Norris was pushing the idea last week. i wonder if Chucky knows what “sedition” means.
March 13th, 2009 at 9:58 pmThe Legend Says:
Did Norris win or was he appointed to some high powered position recently?
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Uhhh… sorry, but yer reply doesn’t make the least bit of sense.
Try again.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:08 pmThe Legend Says:
Try to dispute obama didn’t trample the constitution w/out using Bush as a scapegoat.
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Try backing up your hysterical claims w/ some “facts”…
March 13th, 2009 at 10:10 pmTRoS,
March 13th, 2009 at 10:10 pmI’m sure a screenwriter could write him a scene or two for demonstration purposes.
Max-1 Says:
I’m sure a screenwriter could write him a scene or two for demonstration purposes.
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That seems oddly apropos for this twit.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:12 pmAw, TRoS, that’s asking a little much, init?
I mean, the poor “Legend” couldn’t even be troubled to give us a link or a source.
“Facts” seem a bit out of his reach.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:19 pmTRoS, were you rambling about Norris again?
Looks like you got the top male prostitute in the entire Quad Cities area upset.
Say, fred… I heard Bettendorf Medical Supply in Bettendorf, Iowa was having a huge sale on trusses this weekend. Looks like your Saturday is booked, huh?
March 13th, 2009 at 10:22 pmfred garvin Says:
Neither do your ramblings about Norris.
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freeeeed… yer back. Care to revisit the Winter Soldier thingy?
Funny how The Legend disappears and now you’re here, fighting The Legend’s fight for him, or her, as the case may be.
Actually, here’s what the Norris comments are in reference to:
http://www.ourcampaigns.com/NewsDetail.html?NewsID=57097
Mar 09, 2009 12:00am
“On Glenn Beck’s radio show last week, I quipped in response to our wayward federal government, “I may run for president of Texas.”
That need may be a reality sooner than we think. If not me, someone someday may again be running for president of the Lone Star state, if the state of the union continues to turn into the enemy of the state.
I’m not saying that other states won’t muster the gumption to stand and secede, but Texas has the history to prove it. As most know, Texas was its own country before it joined the Union as its 28th state.
For those losing hope, and others wanting to rekindle the patriotic fires of early America, I encourage you to join Fox News’ Glenn Beck, me and millions of people across the country in the live telecast, “We Surround Them,” on Friday afternoon (March 13 at 5 p.m. ET, 4 p.m. CT and 2 p.m. PST). Thousands of cell groups will be united around the country in solidarity over the concerns for our nation.
Again, Sam Houston put it well when he gave the marching orders, “We view ourselves on the eve of battle. We are nerved for the contest, and must conquer or perish. It is vain to look for present aid: None is at hand. We must now act or abandon all hope! Rally to the standard, and be no longer the scoff of mercenary tongues! Be men, be free men, that your children may bless their father’s name.”
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition
Sedition
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is about the law term.
Sedition is a term of law which refers to covert conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority as tending toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority. Sedition may include any commotion, though not aimed at direct and open violence against the laws. Seditious words in writing are seditious libel. A seditionist is one who engages in or promotes the interests of sedition.
Sure sounds like sedition to me…
March 13th, 2009 at 10:25 pmYou seem a bit confiused as to how things are s’posed to work here, fred ol’ boy… see, when someone makes a claim of ostensible “fact”, and someone else challenges him to provide greater detail or… I don’t know… authoritative back-up… then the burden is on the one making the original claim.
It doesn’t fall on the challenger to answer a different question, however related in delusion to the first it might be…
March 13th, 2009 at 10:26 pmfred garvin Says:
How about citing the constitution in regards to challenging the presidents eligibility the way it was written originally? Then explain how Obama is NOT trying to make toilet paper out of it by saying only congress can challenge eligibility.
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Gee… some of yer wingnutty brethren filed a case in CA. the court in CA heard the merits and turned it down. How does that constitues “shredding the Constitution”, your hysterical, hand-wring exclamations aside?
Now, yor nutty friends can go on to the SCOTUS and get shot down again.
At what point do you and yours admit… “We’re full of crap”?
March 13th, 2009 at 10:29 pmTRoS,
March 13th, 2009 at 10:31 pmAnd maybe show a private screening for Daryyl, Archie B., (R)ush, (Ins)Hannity, O’Liely, Beck, etc.
ralph the wonder llama Says:
It doesn’t fall on the challenger to answer a different question, however related in delusion to the first it might be…
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Give fred a break, ralphie. He’s managed to work his way up to Chapter 8 of the Big Book of Internet Trolling:
“When you’re about to have your Cheney handed to you on a platter, try any possible diversion that comes to mind, even a variation of the old stand by, “I know what you are, but what I am?” ploy…
March 13th, 2009 at 10:31 pmJeez, fred, even you should know the answer to this one.
First of all, “The Legend” didn’t actually offer any facts, other than the date, the venue and the involvement of the California State Attorney General. The rest is interpretation, and rather hysterical interpretation it seems to be, too.
This may surprise you, fred, but partisans of both stripes sometimes present as factual stories that are at best wild exaggerations and at worst totally fraudulent, as means of supporting their arguments. Those of the other side are naturally predispose to view these claims with suspicion.
Thus a valid link to an authoritative source is frequently useful in establishing some form of credibility for the claim. If a claim is made with no such support, it is frequently assumed to lack credibility.
See?
March 13th, 2009 at 10:31 pm@#170,
March 13th, 2009 at 10:32 pmOops, forgot’cha Fred Garvin.
Try to focus, fred.
Are you saying that the Constitution of the US says that the burden of proof falls on the challenger of a bogus claim to then respond to a second bogus claim?
It certainly seems like you’re making that argument.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:33 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
See?
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Too many big words, and absolutely nothing to do w/ glue sniffing or cheapo porn in there, to boot, ralphie. You’re prolly just giving poor, poor fred a headache.
Nice… I like it…
March 13th, 2009 at 10:34 pm.
And the last President of Texas was…
.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:34 pmfred garvin Says:
Look up the court case file then read the constitution.
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That’s ALMOST a clever dodge.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:35 pmTroll Legend spews: Try to dispute obama didn’t trample the constitution w/out using Bush as a scapegoat.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:37 pmToo easy, Seems the Constitution is being upheld. You got nuthin.
California TOSSED
And you should like this one too.
Seems like justice is being served.
Sucks to be you.
Pathetic
yeah, TRoS, and it’s almost not a transparent attempt to shift the blame for fred’s inability to make a convincing argument to those of us too disinterested to make his case for him.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:39 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
yeah, TRoS, and it’s almost not a transparent attempt to shift the blame for fred’s inability to make a convincing argument to those of us too disinterested to make his case for him.
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I have to wonder if b-cup hasn’t started mentoring some of these younger, less-experienced trolls…
March 13th, 2009 at 10:43 pm#163 fred garvin,
Et Tu McCain?
Yet, the Obama Birth Certificate is all the radicals have…
Dear Fred,
Let me introduce you to my little friend…
… REALITY!
.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:43 pmOops,
Should read: Dear fred garvin,
Let me introduce you to my little friend…
… Reality.
(not to be confused with other fred’s on the board, sorry:( my bad)
March 13th, 2009 at 10:45 pmSeems pretty proper to me…
http://www.aipnews.com/talk/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=3015&posts=3
California Judge Ruling in Keyes’ Lawsuit on Obama Qualifications
March 13th, 2009
On March 13, California Superior Court Judge Michael Kenney tentatively ruled against Alan Keyes, in the lawsuit concerning whether President Barack Obama meets the constitutional qualifications to be president, and whether the California Secretary of State should have put him on the ballot.
The case is Keyes v Bowen, 34-2008-8000096-CU-WM-GDS. The 6-page opinion seems to strengthen the rights of political parties to place anyone they wish on the November ballot, regardless of that candidate’s qualifications.
The decision says, “Defendants contend that Election Code sec. 6901 requires the Secretary of State to place on the ballot the names of the candidates submitted to her by a recognized political party and that she has no discretion to override the party’s selection.
The Court finds that the First Amended Petition fails to state a cause of action against the Secretary of State…Federal law establishes the exclusive means for challenges to the qualifications of the President and Vice President. That procedure is for objections to be presented before the U.S. Congress pursuant to 3 U.S.C. section 15.”
March 13th, 2009 at 10:45 pmSo let’s review:
attorneys… convinced the Judge
I believe that, in legal parlance, this means they won their case.
Very sinister. Very sinister indeed, my friends. We should be suspicious of this whole “independent judiciary” thing.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:49 pmSheesh… don’t tell me “fred garvin, male prostitute” gave up THAT easily?
Hooookay, boys… I’m off to dinner.
ralphie… keep an eye on the thread, if ya don’t mind.
Make sure fred doesn’t try to double back and pee in the corners or sumpin nutty like dat.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:49 pmWell, sure. You’re an extremist moonbat just like the rest of us… you prolly think we orta trust judges to administer the law.
March 13th, 2009 at 10:51 pmCorrect me if I’m wrong, fred, but this seems like it’s an attempt to take this discussion in yet another direction.
Why would that be?
March 13th, 2009 at 10:52 pmOh great TRoS,
Next thing fred garvin will be blaming the California ruling on Bill Clinton.
Thanks…
(/snark)
March 13th, 2009 at 10:53 pmMax1,
March 13th, 2009 at 10:53 pmThanks. This is OLD news. Yet these Wackheads can’t seem to get it through thier thick skulls, that or there is nuthin to get too.
@184 ralphie,
March 13th, 2009 at 10:55 pmDamn those librul judges…
RandomChaos,
March 13th, 2009 at 11:01 pmThey’re gutless and petty, that’s all.
fred garvin Says:
Mr. Obama’s legal team is doing everything that it can, in our California case; to make sure that no one has access to
his college records!
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Ah because it is IRRELEVANT to what the court was supposed to be deciding? Try to keep up here Freddie
March 13th, 2009 at 11:06 pmLegend. Freddie. You guys know you are nuts dont you? Obama is shredding the constitution by WINNING A COURT CASE? Is that really your argument? REALLY?
March 13th, 2009 at 11:09 pmnanlichi, you probably just got me into trouble: I work in a hospital, and I read your post on my break. . . as my guffawing positively resonated through the quiet halls, I tried in vain to pretend that I wasn’t here. . .
March 13th, 2009 at 11:11 pm193
Darn I lost half my post again. The only qualifications for being president are to be thirty five years old a native born American and WIN THE ELECTION. You dont even have to have GONE to college to be qualified to be president. So what in the WORLD would his college records have to do with this.
March 13th, 2009 at 11:29 pmDoes it strike anyone else odd that John Kerry finally makes a reappearance only after I announce to pete that I will be away at work. John Kerry definately knows whose his daddy…
March 13th, 2009 at 11:42 pmdbadass Says:
Does it strike anyone else odd that John Kerry finally makes a reappearance only after I announce to pete that I will be away at work. John Kerry definately knows whose his daddy…
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Not unless Rush told him so he doesnt
March 14th, 2009 at 1:34 amMarch 14th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
March 14th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
ohplease @199/200
Cat got yer tungue?
March 14th, 2009 at 2:56 pmohplease Says:
In its filing today, the government bases its authority to hold detainees at Guantanamo on the Authorization for the Use of Military Force, which Congress passed in September 2001, and which authorized the use of force against nations, organizations, or persons the president determines planned, authorized, committed, or aided the September 11 attacks, or harbored such organizations or persons.
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So either they will treat them as POWs or they will take them to court to PROVE they planned authorized, comitted, or aided in the Sept 11 attacks or harbored such organizations or persons. GOOD. Things are as they should be.
March 14th, 2009 at 5:13 pmRemember how you used to moan about Republicans and Fox news inventing an alternate reality for themselves simply to justify what the president does?
Congratulations, you’re the new Fox News and it’s unquestioning followers.
ThinkPressrelease.
March 16th, 2009 at 4:38 amYou mean “GOOD Things as they have been for the past 8 years”
What sort of cult are you involved in here that you could quote the basis for Bush’s detainee policy, suggest it means POW status and court trials and then call this good, just because it’s being continued by Obama?
Really. Try explaining this without brainwashing being involved.
March 16th, 2009 at 4:43 amLMAO. You need to find a less biased source of inforation…
March 16th, 2009 at 4:55 amhttp://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2009/03/15/obama/
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