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Cramer felt ‘blindsided by Stewart’s hostile approach.’

kramer7.jpg Since his brutal interview with Jon Stewart on Thursday, CNBC host Jim Cramer has largely disappeared from public view. He skipped a planned Friday morning appearance on MSNBC’s Morning Joe, and MSNBC producers were also asked to avoid bringing up the debacle during yesterday’s programming. Today, the Washington Post’s Howard Kurtz hints at the internal turmoil the interview caused, noting that staffers were “furious” with Cramer for failing to defend the network:

Cramer has told colleagues he felt blindsided by Stewart’s hostile approach. But many CNBC staffers were furious with Cramer yesterday for failing to defend the network’s reporting or to criticize Stewart’s video clips as selectively edited or out of context. CNBC declined all interview requests, saying in a statement: “CNBC produces more than 150 hours of live television a week that includes more than 850 interviews in the service of exposing all sides of every critical financial and economic issue. We are proud of our record.

Cramer used an analogy to the college basketball playoffs to depict himself as the underdog. “When you are a Big East team and you are 16th seed in the Western Regional, you just want to leave with your head intact,” he said by e-mail. “When I walked out, I checked in the mirror. It was still attached. So I am thrilled to have been in the tourney.



381 Responses to “Cramer felt ‘blindsided by Stewart’s hostile approach.’”

  1. plunger says:

    Cramer has to be a significant moron not to have expected Stewart to use this video against him:

    http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/4210


  2. katy says:

    ‘Stewart’s hostile approach.’???

    wow, what a pussy…

    considering the subject matter, i was amazed at jon’s constraint…


  3. Old Uncle Dave says:

    many CNBC staffers were furious with Cramer yesterday for failing to defend the network’s reporting

    Well suck it up, CNBC staffers! Cramer’s smart enough to realize your record is indefensible.


  4. Marie says:

    Cramer is being disingenuous here – he had to have known what Stewart would say and what videos he would have used.
    Cramer’s deferential performance has angered CNBC.
    NBC told its affiliates to keep a low-profile on the issue (although Rachel Maddow brought it up).
    I am afraid that Cramer may be among the unemployed before too long. He has no credibility with the public.


  5. plunger says:

    When you put yourself in a position to have the likes of Jim Cramer representing the credibility of your brand, it sure as hell can’t all be Cramer’s fault:

    Media ownership study ordered destroyed
    Sept 14, 2006

    ‘Every last piece’ destroyed

    Adam Candeub, now a law professor at Michigan State University, said senior managers at the agency ordered that “every last piece” of the report be destroyed. “The whole project was just stopped – end of discussion,” he said. Candeub was a lawyer in the FCC’s Media Bureau at the time the report was written and communicated frequently with its authors, he said.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14836500/

    “You can’t tell any more the difference between what’s propaganda and what’s news.”

    FCC Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein
    15 August, 2006

    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when
    everything the American public believes is false.”

    – William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)


  6. katy says:

    also, and i know it’s a stretch, but i wondered if he didn’t agree to appear on jon stewart’s show knowing he could use the martha stewart appearance as some kind of foil…
    which he did, on his show last night… another tricky dick…


  7. spencers mom says:

    If CNBC didn’t know what Cramer was walking into, they were as ignorant about Jon Stewart and TDS as they are about Wall Street.

    As Stewart told Cramer “This ain’t about you” but CNBC obviously thought that Cramer would be able to set the record straight or they wouldn’t have allowed him to appear on TDS.

    That episode demonstrated that a cable comedy channel was better researched and better prepared to expose the Wall Street cheerleaders for their role in the financial world’s collapse than all the other corporate media whores put together.

    I’m shocked that Keith was cowed into ignoring it.

    PEACE


  8. Bob says:

    Once again the state of the ‘free press’ is epitomized by the host of a comedy show orchestrating the best interview. A comedian pointing out the inadequacies of entire networks that don’t even come close to providing unbiased reporting is quite a shame, especially when that comedian always has the smartest questions.


  9. DRxJ says:

    OH please.
    Hostile?
    This is hostile:
    “We’ll Do It FCKING Live!”

    Or
    “Cut his mike. CUT HIS MIKE! I’m done with this idiot!”

    Jon Stewart was blunt, stern, maybe condensending, but never hostile.
    And I give credit to Cramer, going into “enemy territory”. Yes, he did leave with his head intact, but as for his career?
    Not so certain on that one.


  10. ralph the wonder llama says:

    many CNBC staffers were furious with Cramer yesterday for failing to defend the network’s reporting or to criticize Stewart’s video clips as selectively edited or out of context.

    They have a cause for complaint here.

    After all, “out of context” is the first choice of embarrassing statement excuse among Villager types, and I believe “selectively edited” is number three. So, assuming Cramer was properly trained, he should have known to whip out these standard excuse cards as soon as he felt some heat.


  11. osage says:

    He was blindsided by being held accountable for the consequences of his irresponsible and inaccurate forecasts, his cheer leading for wall street con-men and ponzi schemers and his clownish behavior while people were losing their life savings. The rich really hate it when someone calls them out for their egotistic arrogance and their clueless and insensitive callousness. Stewart didn’t make Cramer look like a fool. Cramer made Cramer look like a fool.


  12. katy says:

    plunger (friend of ace?) -

    Boxer’s office said if she does not receive adequate answers to her questions, she will push for an investigation by the FCC inspector general.

    whatever became of it all?

    is that report public now?


  13. JMOHR says:

    I love it. Cramer the underdog against that massively financed, hard hitting, experienced and well staffed comedy show. Yes, I know that USC, Duke and many other pathetic and wear schools quake in their boots when they have to go up against a local high school.


  14. Nevar says:

    plunger (friend of ace?) -

    If I remember correctly, they are one and the same.


  15. Badmoodman says:

    Cramer has told colleagues he felt blindsided by Stewart’s hostile approach.

    – - Blindsided? Cramer apparently missed the previous three days of The Daily Show where Stewart repeatedly ripped him and exclaimed, “Fcuk YOU.”


  16. Briseadh na Faire says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    They have a cause for complaint here.

    After all, “out of context” is the first choice of embarrassing statement excuse among Villager types, and I believe “selectively edited” is number three. So, assuming Cramer was properly trained, he should have known to whip out these standard excuse cards as soon as he felt some heat.

    The way Stewart had his clips lined up – Cramer would have just looked more the fool had he tried to make that claim.

    Stewart was WELL prepared and NAILED IT!!!

    The real question is, will Cramer go back on the air and start telling it like it is – get people in for interviews and lay it on the line?

    Or is he toast?


  17. ralph the wonder llama says:

    osage Says:
    He was blindsided by being held accountable for the consequences of his irresponsible and inaccurate forecasts

    That’s all you needed to say right there, my friend.

    If you don’t expect to be held accountable, then you surely can be blindsided when it happens.


  18. katy says:

    nevar –
    what i remember is ace linking to ‘plunger speaks’ quite frequently, but are not the same person…
    but my memory sucks…


  19. plunger says:

    Now that reality has finally outpaced conspiracy theory, perhaps the truth (in all its ugliness) has become acceptable?

    http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3820

    http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com


  20. ralph the wonder llama says:

    I do have to give Cramer props, however, for going on the show in the first place, and I actually got a chuckle from him when Jon introduced, I think it was clip number 212, and Cramer cried out in mock alarm, “Not 212!”

    I thought it was funny, but Jon was having none of it.


  21. Bushie says:

    How many people that wanted to buy into the “American Dream” RTM but without training or background on selecting stocks, bonds, 401K, etc, listened to “advise” on Cable and PBS business shows. How many of these advisers were and are paid shills or compensated in other ways. It’s time for a law stating either the adviser has no dog to hunt, or clearly state their allegiances, on penalty of fines and/or prison.


  22. hanshiro says:

    And now we see how ‘influencing the market’ works by a veteran rumor-planter, story-floater like Cramer.

    Here is a known liar and admitted market manipulator once again trying to affect his “stock” by posting false information about his ‘past performance.’

    To pull the sh¡t he pulled in his hedge fund, Cramer would have already have had to ignore integrity issues and sell his soul for profit. Why then is anyone expecting him to own-up and be honest now?

    As he said the second…the fukcing second he got out of the harsh spotlight and back in his own Fagin’s lair, Cramer sneered, “Now back to business as usual.”


  23. Big Dan says:

    Blindsided? BALONEY!!!


  24. Briseadh na Faire says:

    If Cramer thought Jon was “hostile” wait until he’s interviewed by the SEC. After all, Jon aired clips where Cramer instructed someone on how to illegally manipulate the market!


  25. hanshiro says:

    21. ralph the wonder llama Says: I do have to give Cramer props, however, for going on the show in the first place, and I actually got a chuckle from him when Jon introduced, I think it was clip number 212, and Cramer cried out in mock alarm, “Not 212!”

    I give him no props at all. There’s a certain type of coward that is afraid of his cowardice. Once Stewart began to spatter Cramer, Cramer was too arrogant to know what he was getting into, having been sheltered behind producers and flunkies.

    Cramer underestimated Stewart and, as his show aptly demonstrates, vastly overestimated his ability to explain his damning performance and behavior. As Stewart said after showing one of the clips of Cramer talking about market manipulation, “I want the Cramer at CNBC to protect me from that Cramer.

    Jim Cramer, after promising all manner of behavioral changes to Stewart to avoid further drubbing, tries to simply lie his @ss off about what happened, why it happened, and how he isn’t to blame. None of which will fly, even with MSNBC’s gag order. In fact, there will be even more unflattering scrutiny on Cramer and his antics, thankfully.

    Long overdue for CNBC to take this broadside.

    Cramer is a lying, scumbag coward.


  26. ICDogg says:

    Sure he was blindsided, in the sense that he expected the usual Daily Show comedy format and got a tough interview where Stewart didn’t pull his punches. Stewart did this previously with the CNN Crossfire folks but on their show, not his.

    Still, the directive to avoid speaking of it on NBC/MSNBC was very over-the-top. The repression approach is not good precedent for handling problems of damage control.


  27. KayInMaine says:

    The day after Jon Stewart handed Cramer & Wall Street their asses, the CEO of TheStreet.com quit:

    http://firedoglake.com/2009/03/13/battle-of-the-network-stars-streetcom-ceo-quits-msnbc-told-to-downplay-stewart-cramer-interview/

    The Wrath of Jon Stewart Continues! And I couldn’t be happier.


  28. KayInMaine says:

    And…

    Was Cramer “blindsided” by Stewart the same way he was “blindsided” that the Shadow Market/Economy failed? Spit.


  29. suziq says:

    You got it, KayInMaine!!!! Cramer/cnbc are blindsided by everything!! He should change the name of his soon-to-be-ex-show to “Blindsided – Again!”


  30. RUCerious says:

    He did sort of resemble John the Baptist, head on a plate after that ‘performance’. No defensing the indefensible, except to whip out the usual suspects, selective editing, out of context, my daddy can whip your daddy, etc.


  31. hanshiro says:

    The Peacock Circles the Wagons

    Denial appears to be the official position on Jim Cramer following his pantsing by Jon Stewart. CNBCers don’t believe there’s a problem, while MSNBC is doing their best to pretendCramer doesn’t exist.

    TV Newser reports that MSNBC producers were told not to talk about Cramer appearance on the Daily Show last night.

    The contretemps has been cable wallpaper all week; the NBC bosses’ decision to tamp down and enter damage control mode with a sure-to-leak order dictating editorial coverage indicates that they are taking the PR downside of this debacle seriously after foolishly offering up Cramer to Stewart earlier this week. The gag order surely came from NBC Universal President and CEO Jeff Zucker, pictured with Cramer.

    And while it’s unlikely that CNBC would dump Cramer over a chat-show appearance, the more he becomes both the public face of the network and the target of populist outrage, the grimmer CNBC’s fortunes become as it heads into a very down year.

    Meanwhile, Former CNBC reporter Mike Hegedus writes on his Huffington Post blog: “If you invest your money based solely on what Jim Cramer tells you on television you deserve to lose it.”

    Hegedus spent a decade at CNBC; he just left in January. Another, current CNBC reporter expressed precisely the same sentiment to me in an interview today: That people looking for free stock tips on TV get what they pay for.

    The more they try to ignore it…the worse it will get.


  32. RUCerious says:

    And plunger/ace, thanks for posting links instead of consuming the entire thread with text..! Howdy!@


  33. ralph the wonder llama says:

    And fred garvin’s KObesession continues…

    You two really should get a room.


  34. backup says:

    Cramer and CNBC don’t know what’s going on with today’s financial situation. But, they are not the only ones.

    Warren Buffett supported President Obama and he has recently lost $50 billion dollars.

    http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_spine/archive/2009/03/02/warren-buffett-lost-50-billion-you-lost-much-less-be-happy.aspx

    If we are going to assign credibility to only those that saw our present circumstance, Peter Schiff seems to be the only one:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I0QN-FYkpw

    Here’s what he’s saying now (the bailouts are are mistake):

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbvL4u-MrVM

    lf we are making the point that Cramer and CNBC are not credible today, because they didn’t see the current crisis coming, I agree.

    If it is only those that accurately forecasted the current crisis that we should listen to, why wouldn’t we heed the advice of Schiff today.

    He correctly predicted today’s circumstance and now says the debt spending to stimulate the economy is a mistake.

    Using Stewart’s logic, we should listen to Schiff.


  35. plunger says:

  36. RUCerious says:

    Watch, next CNBC will hire Sean Hannity and Ben Gleck to do their financial screamathon.


  37. KayInMaine says:

    LOL My comment at #36 is being held for moderation and I think it’s because I called the TRAITORS on Wall Street ‘a-holes’ and it might also have something to do with dragging them behind my pick up truck.


  38. RUCerious says:

    Hmm. plunger’s link leads to a page that’s

    all plunger. Thanks.


  39. KayInMaine says:

    Oopsie. *washing my mouth out with soap*


  40. RUCerious says:

    Oh, never mind. I see the Oxdown Gazette is a regular site, that link justs shows all aces own posts. Not a bad read after all. Thanks plunger!


  41. Fred says:

    RUCerious Says:
    And plunger/ace, thanks for posting links instead of consuming the entire thread with text..! Howdy!@

    I agree. It makes it much more likely that I will read it.

    The Casey thing is very telling. I hadn’t heard it before and it is good ammo.


  42. RUCerious says:

    Yeah, KayinME, references to dragging individuals behind pickup trucks sorta goes agin the anti violence policy, but would not be a bad idea, as long as it was barbed wire used to tow them with!!


  43. hanshiro says:

    36. backup Says: Using Stewart’s logic, we should listen to Schiff.

    That’s not Stewart’s ‘logic’ at all.

    Stewart was contending that the geniuses at CNBC didn’t do the onjective reporting and scrutinizing necessary to put the current Wall Street behavior in proper perspective, preferring instead to simply air CEO pronouncements without challenge, unquestioning market fluctuations, and shady rumors and manipulations that went unaddressed by the ‘experts’ at CNBC.

    The entire network behaved as if they were a front for the market, not a dependable information source. As Stewart said, “You guys knew what was going on,” but threw cows between your legs instead.


  44. RUCerious says:

    Trusses a bit too tight this morning Miss Garvin?


  45. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Thanks for your concern, b-cup.


  46. conniptionfit says:

    I was particularly struck by Cramer ranting about how he wants a kangaroo court, and “where are the indictments??”, and on and on about how he’s rooting for law enforcement to crack down on the Banksters. It seemed to me that he had plenty of opportunity to complain about that on his own show, and he did-but he chose the other side to complain about. Jane Hamshire over at firedoglake put another nail in Cramers’ coffin with this:

    At the time, Andrew Cuomo had filed a lawsuit against real estate apraisal firm First American, claiming they had inflated their real estate appraisals due to pressure from Washington Mutual. He had emails to prove it. WaMu’s stock prices tumbled. This led Cramer to rail against Cuomo for being a “communist:”

    “[W]itness the fact that right now, the most important man in America for the stock market – the most important man and I mean it negatively is this guy Andrew Cuomo, the New York State Attorney General,” Cramer said. “I’m getting tired of the New York State Attorney General being the most important man in America.”

    Cramer compared Cuomo to his politicized predecessor Eliot Spitzer. “Cuomo’s about confiscation – genuine communist,” Cramer said. “The Chinese are capitalists, we got a communist.”

    Andrew Cuomo did not mislead Jim Cramer. He didn’t lie to him. Cramer had no interest in the facts–he was trying to use a very high profile forum to intimidate Cuomo, and keep him from looking into Washington Mutual. He didn’t “try hard,” and his crime wasn’t a belief that the market would continue to go up–he acted like a thug to actively discourage any investigation that could threaten the perpetuation of a huge ponzi scheme.

    Cramer had his chance to side with law enforcement, instead he tried to discredit Cuomo when Cuomo brought suit against clear violations. What a whimpering pitiful lying tool.


  47. joe cantwell says:

    backup,

    by your criteria we

    should be listening to

    paul krugman.

    now go back to bed

    you fu(king concern troll.

    :)

    between you and fred garvin

    it’s really hard to choose.

    get hip.

    ::

    do we have to beat

    you down again?

    ?


  48. ralph the wonder llama says:

    fred garvin Says:
    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    And fred garvin’s KObesession continues…

    You two really should get a room.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    I believe you are the one with the obsession. I was comparing what tvnewser said to what olbermann said. If you don’t want to talk about msnbc or olbermann take a hike. This is the topic of this thread.

    I have a Keith Olbermann obsession?

    I’m not the one who decided a thread about Jim Cramer was actually about Keith Olbermann.

    You don’t get to decide who takes a hike, fred. You’re just here for our amusement.


  49. conniptionfit says:

    Oh, and one more thing. One of the epithets Cramer used to describe Cuomo was “Democrat”


  50. KayInMaine says:

    RUCerious Says:

    Yeah, KayinME, references to dragging individuals behind pickup trucks sorta goes agin the anti violence policy, but would not be a bad idea, as long as it was barbed wire used to tow them with!!
    March 14th, 2009 at 12:48 pm

    You are being way too nice with the barb wire idea! LOL


  51. KayInMaine says:

    Can one of the trolls please list out all George Bush did to save the housing market back in 2005? Thanks pals.


  52. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Huh.

    fred garvin posts a link to olbermannwatch.com.

    Nobody could have predicted that.


  53. hanshiro says:

    50.joe cantwell Says:

    “SpongeRush FatPants” Bahahahaha! Thanks for that, Joe!


  54. KayInMaine says:

    Here’s my #36 but with a few corrections:

    #
    #
    suziq Says:

    You got it, KayInMaine!!!! Cramer/cnbc are blindsided by everything!! He should change the name of his soon-to-be-ex-show to “Blindsided – Again!”
    March 14th, 2009 at 12:34 pm

    They’re so laughable aren’t they, Suziq? I mean, really, we had these a-holes pegged and their gigantic Shadow Market Credit Default Swaps Extravaganza years ago when the housing market started to crash in 2005, but yet, they think they can continue to bamboozle any of us by saying, “We were blindsided. We didn’t see any of this coming!”.

    Oh please.

    Right now I’m having a hankering to drag Wall Street Traitors behind my pick up truck down the road(I don’t own one but would spend the money right now to do this). Spit.


  55. Fred says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:
    Huh.

    fred garvin posts a link to olbermannwatch.com.

    Nobody could have predicted that.

    Funny aint it? and backup thinks somone might bite too. What ever happened to the good trolls.


  56. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    backup Says:

    Using Stewart’s logic, we should listen to Schiff.
    _____________

    Actually, that’s kind of silly on your part, but hey, you gotta be you.

    Lemme see… about a week ago, you were touting Schiff here. You got slapped down for it, so mid-week, you were panning Schiff and pushing Krugman. So now, this weekend, it’s back to Schiff.

    Geez… don’t you make yourself dizzy w/ all that spinning?


  57. Fred says:

    fred garvin Says:
    It’s actual audio proving a point.

    We don’t need that to know you have a pointy head.


  58. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    I thought it was funny, but Jon was having none of it.
    ____________

    Anyone notice, right at the end, how Cramer tried to include himself in w/ those who have seen their 401Ks clobbered by all of this?

    Nice try for sympathy there…


  59. JMOHR says:

    It always surprises me that the power politician or media organization are so arrogant that they can neither conceive or acknowledge any mistake or fault.

    Just think of the difference in public opinion had Stewart and CNBC turned around and responded in this manner:

    We recognize our duty as a news organization to strive to better serve the cause of journalism and the public. Jon Stewart used comedy to show the public and our organization some simple truths that are well worth remembering. Many news organizations got caught up in the frenzy of the time and failed to fully live up to their purpose. We will strive to do better in the future and hope that other news organizations will do the same.


  60. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    katy Says:

    blogurban rumor, fred… bullshit too.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Hate to do this, katy/joe, but, listen and weep then faint. Might be a good time to change names, again.

    http://olbermannwatch.com/audios/olbypocrisy1.mp3

    *

    trolls change their names

    but get busted because they’re

    stuck with such tired clichés they

    just can’t let go of.

    *

    if you got a minute “fred”

    maybe you can work

    on tp watch.

    kind of update the posts and all.

    tend the garden.

    **

    things look at a little bit slow over there, eh?

    :|

    take backup with you.

    :|


  61. Xisithrus says:

    Stewart shows clips of Cramer in 2006 explaining how he would manipulate the price of Apple stock by “fomenting.” Fomenting, according to Cramer, is when a trader puts out false information or rumors about a company in order to change its price one way or another. If you have a “short position” on a stock, you will make money if the price goes down. Thus you would want to foment bad news (in the clip Cramer says he would tell people that there were problems with the upcoming iPhone).

    Manipulating the market is technically illegal, and the SEC’s regulations specifically include “spreading false or misleading information about a company” as an example of manipulation. But as Cramer said on camera:

    Now, you can’t “foment.” That’s a violation. You can’t create yourself an impression that a stock’s down. But you do it anyway, because the SEC doesn’t understand it.

    Cramer wasnt able to defend himself because he admitted to being dishonest.


  62. stateofthedivision says:

    Stewart excoriated Cramer for failing to report back curtain business news.

    The media fails miserably in this regard, even TP. Nancy-Ann DeParle’s for-profit health care connections are massive. This is a back curtain business story, garnering no attention.

    Nancy Ann DeParle is Betsy McCaughey numerous times over. Yet TP posts Betsy’s SEC information, while ignoring pages of larger holdings by Ms. DeParle.

    Stewart’s right, but more than CNBC needs to step up.


  63. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    It’s actual audio proving a point.

    *

    yeah, check it

    out dude!

    :)


  64. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    I still say that the SEC needs to take a look at Cramer’s investment portfolio and compare it to his investment advice. I’m betting that you would see a serious trend going there.


  65. dbadass says:

    There is an odd yet charming feeling when you are the only one that hasn’t watched the shit that gets talked about round the water cooler.


  66. Shayne says:

    Interesting they could find the money Elliot Spitzer payed his hooker and they could find out Martha Stewart lost money because she listened to insider trading information but other than those two there’s been no accountability anywhere. Well Elliot Spitzer was trying to stop predatory mortgage practices but I guess Martha was just a scapegoat.


  67. EugeneDebs says:

    fred garvin Says:
    and MSNBC producers were also asked to avoid bringing up the debacle

    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
    “MSNBC producers have been told” not to mention this, is, frankly, bullshit.” KO

    Hmmmm.
    <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

    Yeah I dont know what to think about that. I have read this claim and yet Rachel Maddow DID at least mention it. Kieth denied it. I would like to see what the truth is here.


  68. KayInMaine says:

    Is it just me or did Wall Street go into a frenzy when Eliot Spitzer, New York’s Attorney General, was pushed out? Seems to me they were maintaining themselves better when they had an Eagle Eye watching over them.


  69. joe cantwell says:

    actual

    ***

    fred g. said “actual”.

    :|


  70. KayInMaine says:

    Shayne Says:

    Interesting they could find the money Elliot Spitzer payed his hooker and they could find out Martha Stewart lost money because she listened to insider trading information but other than those two there’s been no accountability anywhere. Well Elliot Spitzer was trying to stop predatory mortgage practices but I guess Martha was just a scapegoat.
    March 14th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    How embarrassing. I had the same thought, but stopped typing to watch the rerun of last year’s Project Runway finale (lame, I know, but I love this show), so by the time I got to hitting ’submit comment’, you had already said this. *blushing*

    Spitzer kept the crooks somewhat in line.


  71. EugeneDebs says:

    fred garvin Says:

    Give it up. You cite a crap site. It is a piece of garbage only a moron would continually bring up. I went there last year and gave it a serious read and it was ludicrous, petty and stupid. Thier claims were garbage. You are a joke


  72. stateofthedivision says:

    Hedge fund Cramer got paid for performance. He lied, cheated and stole as a result, much like 30% of CEO’s under stock option incentive compensation.

    So why is President Obama implementing pay for performance in health care and education? There is a decade long history of widespread cheating under such plans.

    Bad managers bribe people to do a bad job. Give them a good job, pay them fairly, and focus on quality. Incentive pay distorts and forced rankings breed internal competition, which works against improvement.


  73. Shayne says:

    KayInMaine Says:
    Spitzer kept the crooks somewhat in line.

    That’s why he needed to be gotten rid of. I’m a Project Runway fan too, shame on us.


  74. ICDogg says:

  75. Mike71654 says:

    In defense of Cramer you can bet he was pushed by CNBC executives to steer things toward the corporate agenda.
    CNBC= Conservative Network Broadcasting Conspiracy


  76. TampaCT says:

    I think I might have watched his show once for 10 minutes before all this…

    OK, so I wanted to see how Jim Cramer was going to fight back after getting beat by John Stewart like a red headed step child in a trailer park in…instead of biting back, it’s like John Stewart changed him! He spent the first 10 minutes or so explaining how the hedge fund traders who have been trading shorts and doing all the stuff he was talking about on that old video.

    He is admitting to having had done all the stuff that he is criticizing. He is screaming for a return of the uptick rule…He is blaming the hedge funds for attacking the banks and financial services with the short stuff trading. He is also agreeing with Obama that income from shorts is not capital gains but rather it is regular income and should get taxed as such! How could anyone claim that a futures short was anything but real income. He then blamed the previous administration for letting them get away with this stuff. Makes sense to me.


  77. Pennsylvanianne says:

    Many CNBC staffers were furious with Cramer yesterday for failing to defend the network.
    Awwww. Cramer didn’t defend their and his shoddy reporting, which kept telling us to buy, buy, buy while Wall Street was going down, down, down, which they darn well knew and did nothing about. What’s to defend? People have lost their life savings and retirements because they stood by AND DID NOTHING TO WARN US. Cramer seemed genuinely shaken by the video clips Stewart showed. Stewart’s attitude itself was NOT hostile. Then back on CNBC, Cramer cynically shows a clip of himself with Martha Stewart and says, “Back to business.” What a tool. I hope CNBC goes right down the tubes along with Wall Street, with which it was in bed with anyway.


  78. backup says:

    As Stewart said, “You guys knew what was going on,” but threw cows between your legs instead.

    You’re charging the those at CNBC knew what was going on. Okay. Warren Buffett has been regarded as a financial guru. Did he know what was going on?

    http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_spine/archive/2009/03/02/warren-buffett-lost-50-billion-you-lost-much-less-be-happy.aspx


  79. KayInMaine says:

    Shayne Says:

    KayInMaine Says:
    Spitzer kept the crooks somewhat in line.

    That’s why he needed to be gotten rid of. I’m a Project Runway fan too, shame on us.
    March 14th, 2009 at 1:14 pm

    Yep, the NYSE was very happy to see Spitzer go.

    What is it about Project Runway that makes us addicted? I don’t know! I just looooooooooooooooooooove it! *blushing again* LOL


  80. stateofthedivision says:

    This is the other news not reported on CNBC:

    While homeowners struggle with underwater mortgages, private equity underwriters (PEU’s) buy back issued debt for 23 cents on the dollar and get an Obama tax break to boot.

    How many homeowners get to buy their $200,000 mortgage for $46,000 and get to push off taxes for years? None.


  81. Xisithrus says:

    Poor poor poor Cramer the poor underdog made money while telling fibs so stock he wanted to sell/buy would go up/down in value.. poor poor Crmer I want to cry for him and to wail “Leeeeeeeavvvvvveee Cramer alooooooooone!”

    The folks who got poor are the ones that listened to Cramer, hes not an underdog, hes more like a carnival barker, used car dealer, snake oil seller or con man.


  82. joe cantwell says:

    backup Says:
    As Stewart said, “You guys knew what was going on,” but threw cows between your legs instead.

    You’re charging the those at CNBC knew what was going on. Okay. Warren Buffett has been regarded as a financial guru. Did he know what was going on?

    http://blogs.tnr.com/ tnr/ blogs/ the_spine/ archive/ 2009/ 03/ 02/ warren-buffett-lost-50-billion-you-lost-much-less-be-happy.aspx

    *

    stop your fu(king spamming

    you mother fu(king horse’s ass!

    **

    god you are such a phony

    two bit concern troll a$$hole.

    ***

    hurry up and die.

    :)


  83. KayInMaine says:

    backup Says:

    As Stewart said, “You guys knew what was going on,” but threw cows between your legs instead.

    You’re charging the those at CNBC knew what was going on. Okay. Warren Buffett has been regarded as a financial guru. Did he know what was going on?

    http://blogs.tnr.com/ tnr/ blogs/ the_spine/ archive/ 2009/ 03/ 02/ warren-buffett-lost-50-billion-you-lost-much-less-be-happy.aspx
    March 14th, 2009 at 1:17 pm

    Is Warren Buffett in charge of regulating the stock market?


  84. hanshiro says:

    83. backup Says: You’re charging the those at CNBC knew what was going on. Okay. Warren Buffett has been regarded as a financial guru. Did he know what was going on?

    Buffett doesn’t have a program touting his expertise.

    Buffett also doesn’t have a catchphrase, subbing for God, that goes, “In Buffett We Trust….”

    Bad analogy, b.


  85. Xisithrus says:

    Okay. Warren Buffett has been regarded as a financial guru. Did he know what was going on?

    Buffet said some time ago that CDSs CDOs were weapons of mass financial destruction. Did Cramer ever tell people that?


  86. RUCerious says:

    MIKE71654 ~ LOL ~

    I thunked it wuz
    Cancerous Netweenies Bullshitting Consistently…


  87. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    pete Says:

    No, Fred.

    Even if the “famous quote” were confirmed, which it isn’t,
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    LOL!

    *

    fg,

    haven’t you got a little

    chore to take care of?

    :|


  88. Fred says:

    and again, backup looks like a fool


  89. Xisithrus says:

    I think its funny the trollops are defending what they normally label ‘liberal media’

    Heh


  90. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Thanks for your continued concern, b-cup.

    Really. I mean that.


  91. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    backup Says:

    You’re charging the those at CNBC knew what was going on. Okay. Warren Buffett has been regarded as a financial guru. Did he know what was going on?
    ___________

    Well… seeing as Warren was actually dealing in those f-in’ credit default swaps whilst preaching against them at the same time, it would appear he did.


  92. RUCerious says:

    So, Joe C, fred garvin is our old sock puppet Rodan?


  93. hanshiro says:

    Greenwald can clarify it for you, b:

    Stewart focuses on the role Cramer and CNBC played in mindlessly disseminating and uncritically amplifying the false claims from the CEOs and banks which spawned the financial crisis with their blatantly untoward and often illegal practices.

    They would continuously put scheming CEOs on their shows, conduct completely uncritical “interviews” and allow them to spout wholesale falsehoods. And now that they’re being called upon to explain why they did this, their excuse is: Well, we were lied to. What could we have done? And the obvious answer, which Stewart repeatedly expressed, is that people who claim to be “reporters” are obligated not only to provide a forum for powerful people to make claims, but also to then investigate those claims and then to inform the public if the claims are true. That’s about as basic as it gets.

    Is we learning yet?


  94. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    It would appear the TP Opinions Index (TPOI) is not reacting well to this morning’s comments.

    In particular, shares of “B-Cup Concern Trolling, Limited” (BCCT, Ltd) continue to get hammered in the early going as canny posters continue to ferret out the weaknesses in B-Cup’s endless blatherings.


  95. backup says:

    Stewart’s as big a hack.

    Here’s Jon railing against Santelli as a hypocrite because he opposes the bailout of homeowners, but supposedly is content with bailing out banks and corporations:

    http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/05/santelli-show/

    But, that’s not really the case. Here’s Santelli back in September of 2008 equally upset with the Bush administration for bailing out banks:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I-1g0OZJIdk

    Arguing honesty and credibility between Cramer and Stewart is like arguing virtue among whores.


  96. dbadass says:

    OT
    Just curious. Is it a totally blue sky and fair eberywhere today? I hope so. I am liking it. Open the windows and let that air in….


  97. joe cantwell says:

    RUCerious Says:
    So, Joe C, fred garvin is our old sock puppet Rodan?

    **

    the name changes,

    the crap stays the same.

    it’s like they want to get caught.

    **

    remember “captain mantastic”?

    *


  98. katy says:

    fred garvin Says:

    katy Says:
    blogurban rumor, fred… bullshit too.

    Hate to do this, katy/joe, but, listen and weep then faint. Might be a good time to change names, again.

    1. wtf are you talking about ‘change names’???

    2. i took care of your olbywatch assertion here yesterday:

    keithwatch??? yea, THAT’s funny…
    a google search of that quote only turns up where commenters have posted it on blogs…

    ah hahahahaha!


  99. dbadass says:

    desperation unknown…

    xxoo
    Dale


  100. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    A sheer sign of desperation.
    __________

    Geez, b-cup… even fred’s turning on you…

    Prolly shorted yer stock and now he’s deliberately fomenting…

    Sure hope you didn’t sell any CDSs on yourself…


  101. backup says:

    hurry up and die.

    joe. If your arguments were stronger, you wouldn’t be getting so upset.


  102. joe cantwell says:

    “a sheer sign”?

    let’s google that.

    the results are here.

    **


  103. Hoodathunk says:

    If this keeps up they just might really slip and expose their…lies about the librul media. Why not? They’ve confessed to just about everything else?

    And all because of a ‘comedian’. Rock on, Jon.


  104. joe cantwell says:

    backup Says:
    hurry up and die.

    joe. If your arguments were stronger, you wouldn’t be getting so upset.

    **

    dear god in heaven

    use your power of irony

    to force backup’s voice to go

    inward so that he may bore

    himself to death. slowly.

    **

    thy will be done.

    amen.

    :)


  105. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    The desperation is on your part, tros.

    *

    “a sheer sign”

    no doubt.

    ::


  106. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    backup Says:

    Arguing honesty and credibility between Cramer and Stewart is like arguing virtue among whores.
    ______________

    Oh… the… IRONY…


  107. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    The desperation is on your part, tros.
    ___________

    Please explain that, in specific detail.

    I want to hear this.


  108. hanshiro says:

    101. backup Says: Stewart’s as big a hack.

    Your post is wrong, b. Notwithstanding your cowardly mission creep in the face of my disputing your weak Buffett attempt, you keep looking for some point to settle into. You haven’t found one yet.

    Stewart is a comedian who busted Cramer and Santelli. Santelli’s rant was properly represented in Stewart’s piece.

    Your posting an earlier claim/flip-flop by Santelli disputing himself only makes Santelli look like the whore, not Stewart.

    (God, please send us smarter trolls…amen…)


  109. WaltTheMan says:

    When Cramer looked into that mirror, didn’t he notice that his pants were down at his ankles?


  110. Xisithrus says:

    Warren Buffet (in 2002), said derivatives were a “financial weapon of mass destruction.”
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    BTW Stewart doesnt give investment advice Backup


  111. backup says:

    Republic. I think fred garvin is commenting about your desperate attack of the messenger, because you can’t challenge the message.

    You remember:

    The Republic of Stupidity Says:
    Archie B Says:

    Both hate.
    __________

    Really, archie? Is this another case of “since I can’t beat the message, I’ll attack the messenger”? All I did was point how how confused you got yourself… you did try to claim Obama was responsible for releasing that Taliban commander.

    If I didn’t know better, I’d say I’m getting on yer nerves, li’l feller..

    Are you implying that you can’t beat my message?

    You should prove me wrong one day and actually address the message.


  112. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    katy Says:

    blogurban rumor, fred… bullshit too.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    Hate to do this, katy/joe, but, listen and weep then faint. Might be a good time to change names, again.

    http://olbermannwatch.com/audios/olbypocrisy1.mp3

    March 14th, 2009 at 12:54 pm

    **

    fred garvin Says:
    katy Says:

    blogurban rumor, fred… bullshit too.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    listen and weep then faint. Might be a good time to change names, again.

    http://olbermannwatch.com/audios/olbypocrisy1.mp3

    March 14th, 2009 at 1:45 pm

    *

    rodan is repeating himself.

    :)


  113. Hoodathunk says:

    I like the dichotomy going on here. The Republicans have an entertainer espousing their values and demanding obedience while he spouts innuendo, falsehoods and bigotry. He claims ownership of the Republican agenda and exacts tribute.

    The Libruls have a comedian who is concise and erudite, well versed in research and funny to boot. The Libruls are free to agree or disagree without fear of punitive responses and most of them just plain laugh their butts off. Even when he is poking fun at them.


  114. Fred says:

    backup Says:
    joe. If your arguments were stronger, you wouldn’t be getting so upset.

    irony, backup should be very upset by this standard.


  115. Xisithrus says:

    And its one thing to give investment advice but to give intentionally wrong investment advice is illegal

    Cramer has got to go


  116. Xisithrus says:

    But but but Cramer is on the liberal media!!!

    /snark


  117. joe cantwell says:

    backup Says:
    Republic. I think fred garvin is commenting about your desperate attack of the messenger, because you can’t challenge the message.

    You remember:

    The Republic of Stupidity Says:
    Archie B Says:

    Both hate.
    __________

    Really, archie? Is this another case of “since I can’t beat the message, I’ll attack the messenger”? All I did was point how how confused you got yourself… you did try to claim Obama was responsible for releasing that Taliban commander.

    If I didn’t know better, I’d say I’m getting on yer nerves, li’l feller..

    Are you implying that you can’t beat my message?

    You should prove me wrong one day and actually address the message.

    **

    your message

    is yourself.

    it always has been,

    captain.

    ::


  118. backup says:

    Republic. (and ralph). I understand that refuting someone’s points are difficult and calling them a troll is easy.

    I understand. But, you should know that people see it for what it is. It’s basically an admission that the message is to difficult to refute. And it’s a desperate attempt to cloud that admission with an attack of the messenger.

    Keep doing it though. It’s all you’ve got.


  119. ralph the wonder llama says:

    backup Says:
    Republic. I think fred garvin is commenting about your desperate attack of the messenger, because you can’t challenge the message.

    [snip]

    You should prove me wrong one day and actually address the message.

    b-cup, that ship has sailed. Many times over. You just keep waiting for it at the bus station.


  120. dbadass says:

    Life is so strange
    Destination unknown
    When you don’t know
    Your destination
    Something could change
    It’s unkown
    And then you won’t know


  121. Xisithrus says:

    Limbaugh/Cramer Oh One Two!


  122. RUCerious says:

    gotta wonder whether backup subliminally means, like, a wingman for the reichwing, or driving 90 miles an hour in reverse, or maybe like a toilet?


  123. Fred says:

    Joe Cantwell bagged ya backup. It’s all about you isn’t it?

    Talk to me, criticize me, spank me. Your cries for attention are off putting to say the least..


  124. dbadass says:

    Look! If anybody wants to talk about Archie B well than let me tell you a thing or two about old Arch….


  125. ralph the wonder llama says:

    backup Says:
    Republic. (and ralph). I understand that refuting someone’s points are difficult and calling them a troll is easy.

    Sadly, you’re wrong, b-cup. Refuting your points is easy, yet calling you a troll was difficult for me. I had to have the truth of your online character beaten into me dozens of times before I recognized it for what it was. You now this.

    Of course, now that your reputation has been cemented, it’s much easier to call you a troll and dismiss your faux-arguments, because I have confidence in long experience of dealing with you that your pattern is consistent.

    But thanks for your concern.


  126. katy says:

    i have no idea why i should “faint”…

    i have no idea what you mean by “change names”…

    i have no idea what keith was talking about because you offer no link to any transcript… there is no context…
    it could be sliced and diced for all i know…

    and that is my final say to you about it.

    you really don’t matter.


  127. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    backup Says:

    You should prove me wrong one day and actually address the message.
    ___________

    Hmmm… actually, I’ve beaten you down on this site so many times, I’m getting carpal tunnel syndrome. There’s a famous story about Keith Richards and Robert Stigwood that comes to mind here.

    Back in the early 70’s, the Stones toured Australia and Stigwood was the concert promoter. Richards felt that Stigwood ripped the Stones off on that tour.

    A couple of years later, Richards and Stigwood crossed paths in a London nightclub. Richards beat the crap out of Stiggy. Keith would knock him down, Stigwood would get back up, and Keith would knock him down again.

    Finally, someone asked Keith why he kept hitting Stigwood.

    Said keith, “Because he keeps getting up…”. :-)!!!

    B-cup… yer the Robert Stigwood of Concern Trolling…

    I must have gotten on YOUR nerves, for ya to go back and find that one…

    I do address YOUR message, directly, constantly.

    I’m amazed how often you choose to get back up.


  128. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    backup Says:

    Keep doing it though. It’s all you’ve got.
    __________

    Yer a laughingtock here, capt,

    Making a silly claim like you just did doesn’t prove you’re right.

    It just proves how desperate you are to “look right”, at all cost.


  129. joe cantwell says:

    backup Says:
    Republic. (and ralph). I understand that refuting someone’s points are difficult and calling them a troll is easy.

    I understand. But, you should know that people see it for what it is. It’s basically an admission that the message is to difficult to refute. And it’s a desperate attempt to cloud that admission with an attack of the messenger.

    Keep doing it though. It’s all you’ve got.

    ^^

    did you read my prayer to god fu(kup?

    if he grants it you’ll be forced to digest

    your own $hit. so send your “message”

    to yourself and then read your “message”

    to yourself and think of what an eternaty

    of that would be like. think before you write.

    amen.

    +


  130. tokin librul says:

    With respect to Cramer’s and CNBC/MSNBC’s TDSWJS experience, Upton Sinclair said it best in the ’20s: It is difficult to get a man to acknowledge that which his job requires that he ignore.

    CNBC/Cramer are useful as a paradigm/microcosm for understanding and interpreting the whole panoply of CorpoRat Media and their relations with the ‘beats’ they cover. The analogy I like is that of the local paper covering the home team: it’s all hype, shill, and cheer-leading, with photos of the skimpily-clad teenage girls for titilation…


  131. Barbi520 says:

    Like Stewart said, it’s too bad Cramer had to take the fall for all of CNBC. There are many worse propagandists on CNBC than Cramer. I have watched that channel since it’s inception; but I have found it totally unwatchable for the last 8 months at least. It is like a three wing circus of a bunch of right wing nut cases just shouting their opinions all day long. When they do bring on a guest who might actually know something they badger him and scream their own opinions over the economist or whoever is on. They basically treat Obama’s people with total disrespect and scorn. It has zero news value. Erin Burnett, Kudlow, goof ball loud mouth Gasparino, Rick Santelli, caruso-cabrera, Joe kernan- these people are all apologists for the extreme right wing. During the elections, several of them came on everyday, saying, “Drill Baby Dril”-
    the election slogan of McCain. Then the Democrats had hearings
    on Oil trading and oil went from $150.00 to its present price in a matter of a few months. Can you say- MANIPULATION?

    The worst of the bunch is the ever disgusting Melissa Francis. What a loud mouth POS. Disgraceful.

    I think Bill Griffin and Bob Pasanati and Leesman are the only decent reasonable people left at that station. and of course, Dave Faber- a real journalist


  132. hanshiro says:

    121. backup Says: Are you implying that you can’t beat my message? You should prove me wrong one day and actually address the message.

    backup’s denials in the face of overwhelming reality remind me of something….a scene in a movie

    What are you gonna do, backup, bleed on me?


  133. ralph the wonder llama says:

    (and ralph tosses a high alley-oop pass to TRoS, who grabs it near the rim and slams it home.

    The crowd goes wild!)


  134. ruick says:

    so… why arn’t you guys happy cramer is exposing this (although not all intentionally)? im referring to the market manipulation. No one talks about it but everyone knows its happening.. instead of throwing rocks at cramer we should tell him to talk about it more.


  135. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    katy Says:

    i have no idea what keith was talking about because you offer no link to any transcript… there is no context…
    it could be sliced and diced for all i know…
    _________

    I actually listened to that clip too, out of curiosity, katy.

    I think Olbermann mentions “barry” in there, so it’s mebbe about Barry Bonds.

    Since the clip offers no context or timeframe, it’s hard to say what it’s about.


  136. joe cantwell says:

    ralph,

    he called himself a troll

    at the racist obama postcard

    post, remember?

    *

    backup Says:
    I’d certainly consider it if I were him.

    ralph. okay. I’m a concern troll.

    Now, here’s a hypothetical. What if everything I’ve been saying, I really believe.

    Should I dishonestly change some of my positions to avoid the appearance of being a concern troll? Should I only comment on threads that I agree with? Should I pretend to understand and agree with people, when I don’t?

    February 27th, 2009 at 9:30 pm

    **

    he wishes we would

    forget. but we won’t.

    ::


  137. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    (and ralph tosses a high alley-oop pass to TRoS, who grabs it near the rim and slams it home.

    The crowd goes wild!)
    ___________

    Mebbe we can hire Keltoi to do the play-by-play…


  138. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    joe cantwell Says:

    he wishes we would

    forget. but we won’t.
    ___________

    In a nutshell, joe.


  139. hanshiro says:

    144.ruick Says: so… why arn’t you guys happy cramer is exposing this (although not all intentionally)? im referring to the market manipulation. No one talks about it but everyone knows its happening.. instead of throwing rocks at cramer we should tell him to talk about it more.

    Cramer didn’t come to this on his own volition, he got dragged by the collar and had his nose rubbed in it, leaving him absolutely no room to hide.

    Somehow, I don’t regard his ‘conversion’ as voluntary nor genuine.


  140. Hoodathunk says:

    ruick, he isn’t a whistleblower, he’s proud of what he has done and was trying to defend it.


  141. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Gee… where’d b-cup and fred g go?

    Did they call a time out?

    Are they desperately diagramming some sort of devilish “flea-flicker/Hail Mary/Statue of Liberty triple reverse”, hoping to pull out a win as the clock runs down??


  142. politicallysavvy says:

    On the Today Show Cramer asserted that Obama’s just announced budget “put a level of fear in this country that I have not seen ever in my life,” and; “This is the most, greatest wealth destruction I’ve seen by a president.” Cramer needs to accept his own responsibility for destroying many people’s wealth with his lame, self-assured tips on stock purchases. This guy scares me not Obama’s proposed budget. Good for Stewart!


  143. Hoodathunk says:

    “put a level of fear in this country that I have not seen ever in my life,”

    That’s right, Cramer, you were just joking, right?

    Isn’t the fear gambit a Republican schtick? Like maybe people should now be afraid of you?


  144. dbadass says:

    You ask yourself
    When will my time come
    Has it all been said and done
    I know I’ll leave when it’s my time to go
    ‘Til then I’ll carry on with what I know

    —-
    Really I thought that they were coming to feed the cats…


  145. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    Clip #1: Keith Olbermann on ESPN radio (Nov 16 2006). He and Dan Patrick are discussing the O.J. Simpson book and tv deal, and Keith is telling Patrick that Bill O’Reilly is a wuss because he won’t come out and criticize his own network, Fox. The premise was factually incorrect (O’Reilly was going after Fox in a big way for it), but it’s Olbermann’s test of manhood that is the point.

    **

    the point of your thesis is missing.

    and you dropped your lede.

    \\

    try again.

    :)


  146. Hoodathunk says:

    Fred, you failed to mention Clinton or Whitewater or Carter. Not even close to the troll version of the perfect rant. And don’t forget mamma, prison and trains.


  147. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    Nice try. No cigar.
    ___________

    Excuuuuuuuuuse me… the clip you posted had no identifying information as to date or topic… and Bonds does get mentioned in there, huh?


  148. Hoodathunk says:

    Cut and paste is wasted on trolls.


  149. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Hoodathunk Says:

    And don’t forget mamma, prison and trains.
    _____________

    You left out pick-up rucks and rain…

    Was this deliberate on your part? Do you have something against pick-up trucks and rain? Let’s face it… you can’t handle pick-up rucks and rain…


  150. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    Might want to clean your ears.
    ___________

    Since YOU didn’t hear the first time…

    And Bonds does get mentioned in there, huh?

    If you ever got yer head outta yer Cheney…


  151. dbadass says:

    Fred Fred Use You Head


  152. Hoodathunk says:

    I figured 3 items was about the limit for the troll express lane, TRoS.


  153. dbadass says:

    it sucks when you use a really obscure reference and then screw it up.

    I need a do over…

    Fred Fred Use Your Head


  154. Danny Noonan says:

    There’s a lot of damning evidence out there against Cramer and CNBC. He went into survival mode hoping not putting up a fight would make it blow over quicker. When it came to fight or flight, he took flight. And you can’t really blame him when considering the evidence at Stewart’s disposal.

    http://www.pufferfishblog.com/


  155. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Do you guys suppose fred garvin was once hired as a joke to provide “services” to Keith Olbermann, and when Keith refused, fred developed a burning hatred of the man?

    Perhaps Keith had waited until fred garvin had removed his elaborate system of trusses before he stopped laughing and said, “sorry, I like the ladies”?


  156. Hoodathunk says:

    and not much smells worse than a rain wet pickup…except troll logic.


  157. Hoodathunk says:

    Fred, you do realize that ball players where a Cup? Sort of like the one George wore on the aircraft carrier because he was worried about taking an F16 in the crotch?


  158. joe cantwell says:

    republicans hate facts Says:
    fred garvin Says:
    “I think he’s talking about barry bonds.”
    LOL!

    Nope, no manhood yet for you… Keep trying p*ssy… ;)

    *

    fg gets pwn’d.

    nice.

    :)


  159. Fred says:

    two trolls bite the dust in early playing…


  160. Fred says:

    rhf, you guys need to add a g to the troll so you won’t get us mixed up…..


  161. barfly says:

    So CNBC thinks Cramer was outmatched. They should have asked that Bartiromo be booked on the Daily Show, to rebut some of Stewart’s assertions. Or Kudlow. But these two would be even more outmatched, although Jon would be fawningly obsequious with a woman guest, he’d take her down, daintily.


  162. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    Try and keep up….
    __________

    Since YOU’RE having a hard time following this, I’ll explain it AGAIN, for YOUR sake.

    Here’s YOUR first posting of that comment.

    No date, no mention of subject matter.
    _____________

    fred garvin Says:

    Hate to do this, katy/joe, but, listen and weep then faint. Might be a good time to change names, again.

    http://olbermannwatch.com/audios/olbypocrisy1.mp3

    March 14th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
    ___________

    Other than recognizing Olbermann’s voice, it’s hard to know when it’s from or what it’s about. And Bonds is mentioned in there.

    Apparently, unlike you, I’m not obsessed w/ Olbermann.
    ___________

    The Republic of Stupidity Says:
    katy Says:

    i have no idea what keith was talking about because you offer no link to any transcript… there is no context…
    it could be sliced and diced for all i know…
    _________

    I actually listened to that clip too, out of curiosity, katy.

    I think Olbermann mentions “barry” in there, so it’s mebbe about Barry Bonds.

    Since the clip offers no context or timeframe, it’s hard to say what it’s about.

    March 14th, 2009 at 2:03 pm Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
    ______________

    fred garvin Says:

    “You really do find itself incumbent on you to take your own network to the same degree of task…(or) it dosen’t say much for your manhood.” -Keith Olbermann Nov 16, 2006

    March 14th, 2009 at 2:12 pm Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
    _____________

    So… lemme see…

    You post the clip at 12:54, w/ no context.

    I reply to katy at 2:03.

    You FINALLY identity that clip at 2:12…

    Gee… a whole lot of integrity in that presentation…

    Unlike you, I’m NOT obsessed w/ Keith Olbermann…

    “Keith… Keith… I CAAAIN’T git over ya!!!”


  163. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    An olbyloon
    __________

    Define what an Olbyloon is… please.

    Considering YOUR endless obsession w/ te man, it just might be YOU!


  164. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    An olbyloon trying desperately to defend the indefensible is comedy gold!

    *

    comedy gold

    :)


  165. Patty says:

    … back to Jim Cramer — seems like he thought if he came out apologizing, then all would be well.

    He forgot the pesky step of restitution, followed by commitment to change.

    It’ll be a long time before I forget his quivering, high-pitched voice and inability to defend his/CNBC’s actions.


  166. Hoodathunk says:

    fred garvin, just what does Olberman have to do with this thread? Can’t you keep your secret lusts to yourself?


  167. RandomChaos says:

    fredg spews: Examples, please……

    All over this thread DIP$hit


  168. Hoodathunk says:

    I repeat, fg, just what does Olberman have to do with this thread. NBC employs many hundreds of people. Just because you have a letch for the guy doesn’t mean he is germane to the discussion here.

    Or do you think their weather guy is cute too?


  169. Fred says:

    Hoodathunk Says:
    fred garvin, just what does Olberman have to do with this thread?

    fred garvin Says:
    NBC.

    huh, maybe I’m the stupider than rocks one but I don’t see NBC anywhere in the title of the thread:

    Cramer felt ‘blindsided by Stewart’s hostile approach

    Maybe it’s not just me…


  170. Blue387 says:

    Whine, whine, whine.


  171. RandomChaos says:

    fredg spews:
    Thanks, patsy!

    Still not taking the advice to get a dictionary I see.

    pathetic


  172. Hoodathunk says:

    Who is next, FG? Leno?


  173. Hoodathunk says:

    3 seems to be the limit for trollish comprehension. They have a hard time understanding the pinkie and thumb.

    Except in certain activities.


  174. Hoodathunk says:

    RHF, just what would be the psychosis of a closet homosexual who finds a lesbian hot? Is there a term for that?


  175. Hoodathunk says:

    as in closet homosexual male, that is.


  176. Hoodathunk says:

    Nice try at a shift there, FG but still off topic.


  177. Hoodathunk says:

    Does the weather guy’s ‘pointer’ bother you, FG?


  178. Hoodathunk says:

    I can take that as a yes, FG?


  179. Fred says:

    fred garvin Says:
    Funny, you didn’t make the same claim over on the “shep smith/wallace” thread where you would have had a valid argument. Here, not so much.

    that’s ok little f fred, a lot of it has to do with who you trust. We have all found guys like you and your links to be unreliable and even false consistantly….


  180. RandomChaos says:

    hmmmmmmm?
    FG Troll = PROVEN LIAR (Time and Time AGAIN)

    your pathetic


  181. Hoodathunk says:

    Cramer was handed his ass for a hat by a comedian. Deal with it, FG.


  182. Hoodathunk says:

    Nice bit of misdirection…again, FG. Is it when he points at the rise of the high over Colorado that bothers you the most?


  183. RandomChaos says:

    FredG spews: >>>>>>>>>>>> ;)

    Give it up Freddy. You do not have the Intelligence.
    pathetic


  184. RandomChaos says:

    Hoodathunk,
    Our illustrious, err. illiterate FG Troll thinks I am RHF.
    pathetic to the bone.


  185. Hoodathunk says:

    Cramer is an admitted crook and liar. Jon caught him out and he folded and ran. Any other slieght of hand you might want to try? Other than on yourself, FG?


  186. Hoodathunk says:

    Freddy G? Talk to me. I will understand.


  187. Hoodathunk says:

    Random, he gets confused easily without his direct link to Pizza the Hut.


  188. RandomChaos says:

    AND..
    Anyone expecting some sort of LEGAL Investigation into the “shinnanigans” Cramer ADMITTED that he, his bosses and their corporate owners have been guilty of?


  189. stateofthedivision says:

    Stewart wanted Cramer to be honest about lies emanating from CEO offices and corporate board rooms. Recall the distorting pay systems, that encouraged CEO’s to swing for the fences.

    Nancy-Ann DeParle-sat on eight different for-profit healthcare boards. She served on three compensation committees (Cerner, Boston Scientific, and DaVita). Annual board compensation for 2007 $450,000. Ms. DeParle is President Obama’s Health Care Czar.

    http://primebuzz.kcstar.com/?q=node/17538

    Susan Bayh-sat on seven for-profit healthcare boards. She served on three compensation committees (MDRNA, Curis, and Dendreon). Annual health care board compensation for 2007 $770,000. Mrs. Evan Bayh brings home most of the bacon. How might this impact “moderate” Democratic Senator Bayh?

    Are we all Cramer’s now?


  190. curious says:

    It is hard to defend the indefensible. Cramer and the network he represents are like all of the media. Biased, dishonest and unwilling to do the hard stuff. Like objective, investigative reporting. They all accepted the lies told by Wall Street and the powers that be. And they all but ignored the economists that said what was really going on. They should not blame Cramer for not doing a better job. What else could he say? Stewart had a righteous anger and real questions. The media is not used to having anyone with the guts to tell them they suck.


  191. Hoodathunk says:

    It’s ok, FreddyG. The last stage of an addiction is usually thrashing, sweating and babbling. It’s a good sign.


  192. RandomChaos says:

    FreddyG spews: Quote, please.

    OK

    Quote by RandomChaos ” You ARE pathetic”

    now STFU


  193. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    I posted katy and I’s back and forth from yesterday just above. Try and keep up.
    _________

    I didn’t read yesterday’s exchanges. Unlike you, I’m not obsessed w/ Keith Olbermann, or katy, to an unhealthy degree.

    As I laid out above, w/ absolute factual clarity, YOU DID NOT identify where that clip came from this morning until AFTER I posted my comment about Bonds.

    Keep trying… and get help for that compulsive obsessive thingy… Lord KNOWS what else you feel compelled to do, rabidly. Luckily for you, your poor, suffering hamster can’t talk.

    Saaaay… are you still feeling bad about the beat down you got over the Winter Soldier thing?


  194. Hoodathunk says:

    Ending the Republican addiction is worse than heroin or cigarettes. We are with you.


  195. Hoodathunk says:

    And the weather guy does think you are hot.


  196. hanshiro says:

    246. stateofthedivision Says: Nancy-Ann DeParle-sat on eight different for-profit healthcare boards. She served on three compensation committees (Cerner, Boston Scientific, and DaVita)…..etc.

    SoTD, I have no problem with exposing a double standard, but twisting every thread to one campaign repeatedly (sometimes multiple times on the same thread) and rhetorically tying each subject to a variation of 6 degrees of Kevin Bacon reduces your impact.

    TPers are known for being savvy enough. No need for the broken record.


  197. Xisithrus says:

    Why would Obamas budget scare business when 65% of them pay no tax?

    I thought wall street supported wars and government spending since they got some 700+ billion?

    Cramer, it seems, is trying to drive stock prices down.


  198. helenahandbasket says:

    If Cramer insists on using sports metaphors, I suggest “he pick up his jock.”


  199. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Hoodathunk Says:
    It’s ok, FreddyG. The last stage of an addiction is usually thrashing, sweating and babbling. It’s a good sign.

    Indeed, Hoodathunk. Perhaps there is a light at the end of the tunnel for fred garvin.


  200. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    What part of the clip does keith mention barry bonds?
    ______________

    The EXACT wording is:

    “… we would have been just as vociferous as we were on the BONDS thing…”
    ______________

    You did listen to your own sound bite, didn’t you?


  201. RandomChaos says:

    RtWL,
    I do not picture it the type to have the courage to leave the womb ;-)


  202. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Indeed, Hoodathunk. Perhaps there is a light at the end of the tunnel for fred garvin.
    ____________

    Hate ta be the bearer of bad news, but if there’s a light at the end of the tunnel for fred g, male prostie, it’s undoubtedly a train coming the other direction…


  203. RandomChaos says:

    TRoS says;Hate ta be the bearer of bad news

    Naw, not so bad for us.


  204. RandomChaos says:

    I stand by my statement
    FG Troll = PROVEN LIAR

    All over this site.

    Next.


  205. Hoodathunk says:

    Probably true TRoS but I will hope he can find true happiness with the weather guy right up to the ’splat’.


  206. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    You’re claim was it was “about” bonds. Just wanted you to pwn yourself, again. ;)
    ____________

    So YOU finally did listen to it… and realize Bonds got mentioned in there.

    This is what I ACTUALLY said…
    ____________

    I think Olbermann mentions “barry” in there, so it’s mebbe about Barry Bonds.

    Since the clip offers no context or timeframe, it’s hard to say what it’s about.
    ___________

    That’s ALL I said… and I stand by it.

    There was NO real context for the snippet.

    For someone who thinks they’re all over Olbermann’s every utterance, I am SO SURPRISED I had to point that out for you.

    Gee… that slap down on the Winter Soldier exchange must still be smartin’, li’l feller. Sorry about that, fred, but you had it coming.

    If I didn’t know better, I’d say yer holding some sort of grudge, fg… :-D!!


  207. RandomChaos says:

    heh you warped Hoodathunk


  208. Shayne says:

    Little freddieg has been down for the count so many times today why doesn’t the ref stop the fight?


  209. Hoodathunk says:

    Sometimes I think you guys have no romance in your souls. You need to listen to more Wagner.


  210. Hoodathunk says:

    Yes, Randomchaos, very warped. It’s fun…sometimes.


  211. Hoodathunk says:

    And FG, pay no mind to that light being a train. If you have lived a good Republican life, it isn’t. More likely it is a flashlight in Rush’s butt.


  212. RandomChaos says:

    I am a little surprised there is no “Official” comment from any of our Branches of Government. I know MSM is covering-up, but where is the outrage?


  213. RandomChaos says:

    Habib,
    Souldn’t that be Allah! with a capital A?
    Umm.. Watch yer 6. I sense a flogging coming;-)


  214. Xisithrus says:

    Whats got the markets and investors down is things like car sales, down 40% on average AFTER the Bush bailouts even with 0% interest rates. People are just not spending and we are losing some 22k jobs a day. While Obamas budget it large it was driven up by Bush who used accounting tricks to hide real costs, such as fighting a war for five years using emergency supplementals which werent added to the budget. The Bush DHS added some 55+ billion to the annual budget. Bush grew the government by some 35% do people really think that wont show up in future budgets?


  215. RandomChaos says:

    Heh gotta quote here.
    It’s funny how FG disappears only for another sock to appear. :)


  216. Xisithrus says:

    Backfired? LOL, I sent the Stewart link to conservative friends and they said Stewart was right.


  217. Hoodathunk says:

    Habib, do you like weather forecasts?


  218. Hoodathunk says:

    FG, there is still hope for you. Granted, not much but hey, life is a crap shoot.


  219. Hoodathunk says:

    Aren’t all of those nickles heavy?


  220. hanshiro says:

    267. fred garvin Says:

    fred, keith has been wrong before. So?

    What I find illuminating is your unwavering devotion to proving something everyone, every ‘liberal’ knows: Unquestioning allegiance is a bad thing.

    That you are going to such lengths to establish something so obvious and accepted only highlights the scarcity of this realization among your own ideological brethren. O’Reilly, Hannity, Savage, Scarborough all routinely spew absolute nonsense, hypocrisy and republican talking points without attribution and, more importantly, without shedding a single acolyte.

    Most notably, many people pointed out the absence of Stewart’s story on Olbermann long before you stumbled in to declare the obvious.

    It also establishes that ‘liberals’ aren’t lemmings that blindly defend the indefensible, much the way republicans and conservatives defend and continue to patronize Limbaugh. I, for one, will wait to see what the explanation is with Olbermann since he has been a far better advocate for his claims than any conservative pundit could hope to be.

    I’ve also caught Olbermann saying things I didn’t agree with. So?

    The difference between Olbermann’s superior sources and standards upon which he bases his reports, and an O’Reilly, Hannity or Limbaugh, is so starkly overwhelming as to be a laughably unfair comparison. Never mind the literally countless documented examples of conservative speciousness and mendacity.

    Conservatives are perfectly comfortable living in an outhouse, but want to kill the neighbor’s dog for f@rting.


  221. Ape-Man says:

    The Media ownership monopoly is behind all that’s wrong here.
    Someone said we need to remember this fact here and i agree.

    Cramer is a guy who worked his way to the top and now finds himself working for the monster. I give him credit for at least thinking while he spoke, and perhaps seeing the error in his ways in the process. That’s something the neo-cons never do.


  222. Fred says:

    Habib Says:
    Looks like this post has backfired, big time. Must be time for a “Rush Limbaugh” post.

    These trolls live in a reverse dimension. Everythings is backwards. Oh yeah, that’s what being a conservative means.

    You got to admit that trolls like this are tough, who else could keep going with nothing left but bloody stubs after the beating they take here.


  223. KayInMaine says:

    Can one of the trolls please list out everything George Bush did after Enron collapsed to insure it would never happen again? Thanks pals.


  224. RandomChaos says:

    Ape-Man,
    I think that’s the Democrat in Cramer. That’s what slays me about him.


  225. Fred says:

    Ape-Man Says:
    I give him credit for at least thinking while he spoke, and perhaps seeing the error in his ways in the process.

    You mean when he was still telling everyone to buy, buy, buy just before the bottom fell out? That kind of thinking for himself?


  226. Hoodathunk says:

    The big difference between a Republican and a dog is that the dog usually feels bad and leaves the room when it farts.


  227. ralph the wonder llama says:

    fred garvin Says:

    Habib, you nailed it! A “Bush” post appeared at the exact same time! You had a 50/50 chance of it being Bush or Rush.

    Boy, talk about “the soft bigotry of low expectations”.

    One troll calls for a Rush Limbaugh thread, and when a George W. Bush thread shows up instead, the other troll give the first one credit for it.

    Ah, well, I guess if you aren’t capable of much, you celebrate whatever half-achievements you can identify, huh?


  228. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Hoodathunk Says:
    The big difference between a Republican and a dog is that the dog usually feels bad and leaves the room when it farts.

    Not my dog.

    But then he does show some conservative tendencies; obstinate, not too bright, singularly focused on licking his own ass…


  229. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    hanshiro Says:

    What I find illuminating is your unwavering devotion to proving something everyone, every ‘liberal’ knows: Unquestioning allegiance is a bad thing.

    That you are going to such lengths to establish something so obvious and accepted only highlights the scarcity of this realization among your own ideological brethren. O’Reilly, Hannity, Savage, Scarborough all routinely spew absolute nonsense, hypocrisy and republican talking points without attribution and, more importantly, without shedding a single acolyte.

    Most notably, many people pointed out the absence of Stewart’s story on Olbermann long before you stumbled in to declare the obvious.

    It also establishes that ‘liberals’ aren’t lemmings that blindly defend the indefensible, much the way republicans and conservatives defend and continue to patronize Limbaugh. I, for one, will wait to see what the explanation is with Olbermann since he has been a far better advocate for his claims than any conservative pundit could hope to be.
    ____________

    I don’t recall a single poster here ever once shedding a tear for Spitzer, Blago, or Jefferson when it was obvious they were tainted. Spitzer did the right thing, and “the system”, for lack of a better phrase, eventually took care of the other two.

    Likewise for all the folks Obama nominated for positions in his Admin and then dropped out when their problems came to light.

    Unlike Mark Foley, whom Denny Hastert went out of his way to protect for a the sake of another GOOP vote in the House.

    Or D Vitter, who proudly marched back into Congress to a standing ovation from his fellow GOOPers. If only they had shown their love and support that day by choosing to wear symbolic diapers.

    Talk about yer photo ops… hmmm… I’ll bet if I got into Photoshop…

    BTW, hanshiro… well said.


  230. Hoodathunk says:

    so freddy g and habib are off holding hands and giggling because there is a new thread? Run and play little boys, your daddy Rush just farted.


  231. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Fred Says:

    You got to admit that trolls like this are tough, who else could keep going with nothing left but bloody stubs after the beating they take here.
    __________

    Right… what comes to mind is the Black Knight in “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” who refuses to call it quits even when he’s been reduced to a trunkless head on the ground.

    BLACK KNIGHT:
    Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what’s coming to you. I’ll bite your legs off!


  232. Hoodathunk says:

    TRoS, a Photoshop pic of Republicans in Congress in diapers? How juvenile.

    I want a copy.


  233. joe cantwell says:

    Hoodathunk Says:
    so freddy g and habib are off holding hands and giggling because there is a new thread? Run and play little boys, your daddy Rush just farted.

    **
    bingo!

    :)


  234. joe cantwell says:

    fg + habib =

    the beast with two backs!

    “|


  235. hanshiro says:

    296. The Republic of Stupidity Says: Right… what comes to mind is the Black Knight in “Monty Python and the Holy Grail” who refuses to call it quits even when he’s been reduced to a trunkless head on the ground.

    BLACK KNIGHT:
    Oh. Oh, I see. Running away, eh? You yellow bastards! Come back here and take what’s coming to you. I’ll bite your legs off!

    TRoS…great minds, laddy…(#142)

    ;-)


  236. Hoodathunk says:

    Sorry, joe but those two remind me of what the Canadian sailors had to say about the Brits back in the 70’s (military humor)

    Habib and Freddy G are kippers, two faced, dried and they stink.


  237. Hoodathunk says:

    FG, so he didn’t respond to your Valentine…give it a rest. Olberman is a busy man and just hasn’t noticed your man crush yet.


  238. Hoodathunk says:

    Besides, Stewart was being polite. Cramer was his guest, not Olberman. I know, that made you feel bad.


  239. Hoodathunk says:

    Did your dad tell you that you couldn’t have the Red Ryder BB Gun, FG? Is that why you are so angry? Or is the pudding comment significant? You spoiled the pudding when you were younger?


  240. Hoodathunk says:

    Did you pee in the pudding, FG? Or was it Habib?


  241. unbelievable says:

    fred garvin Says: Attacking the messengers,

    You’re not messengers. You’re delusional nit-wits with double-digit IQs who are incapable of thinking for yourselves. That, or you are schizophrenic and while listening to the bad voices in your heads, Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity just blend in…


  242. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    While you sp’s are busy patting one another on the back, just remember the proof is in the pudding. ;) Attacking the messengers, Habib and I for the last hour and a half, is even more proof.

    *

    were you and hagib attacked?

    here’s a tissue.

    dry your eyes.

    blow your noses.

    don’t lick your lips.

    :)


  243. dbadass says:

    Mr. Prostitute:
    Along those same lines am I supposed to take Mr Limbaugh seriously?


  244. Hoodathunk says:

    Nice try, FG but nope. Jon is both a comedian and a serious journalist. Humor does not diminish reality.

    He nailed Cramer. Honestly and well. Jon gets the Red Ryder. You get the frozen flagpole.


  245. dbadass says:

    What diversion? I am asking if Rush is anything more than an entertainer and if so what is he?


  246. hanshiro says:

    302. fred garvin Says: Examples, please. With dates.

    They are on the preceding threads, my own among them; I’m sure you can find the way.

    You mean media matters and any other far left blog is a “superior source?”

    media matters documents, in its entirety unedited, the mendacity spread by the conservative commentators, so if you find fault, it with the conservatives’ own damning words (much as Cramer was nailed by his own documented, illegal suggestions). That’s the rub with conservatives.

    Attacking the messengers, Habib and I for the last hour and a half, is even more proof.

    You’re not attacked because you’re ‘messengers,’ you’re attacked because you’re idiots. There is a difference.


  247. Keith says:

    plunger at #5,

    I googled that quote:

    “We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when
    everything the American public believes is false.”—William Casey, first CIA staff meeting 1981

    because it sounds too honest and forthright to be said by Casey or the CIA. The google responses were only from blogs. I couldn’t find a single “legitimate” source.


  248. Hoodathunk says:

    Rush can’t find anything to hide behind, FG. Not since the Twin Towers were destroyed.


  249. Hoodathunk says:

    You forgot to mention which university Stewart got his degree in journalism from. Can you refresh my memory?

    Ya know, I am not sure if Jon holds a degree from any university but I do know Rush is a college drop out.


  250. Keith says:

    Jon Stewart got a degree in Psychology from William & Mary, which is a good school. He is supposed to be a comedian and talk show host, but he sounds fairly intellectual to me. He certainly runs rings around Cramer, Coulter, Savage, Limbaugh, Ingraham, etc.


  251. dbadass says:

    So Mr Prostitute is he just a hawker of adjustable beds or isn’t he?


  252. Keith says:

    fg, You sure are cutting and pasting a lot of irrelevant sh*t. This thread is about Cramer and Stewart. Please stay on topic.


  253. joe cantwell says:

    fg’s list of things to do:

    copy and paste,
    copy and paste,
    copy and paste,
    copy and paste,
    copy and paste,

    three way with a goat and camel.

    copy and paste,
    copy and paste,
    copy and paste,
    copy and paste,
    copy and paste,

    :)


  254. hanshiro says:

    311.fred garvin Says:The trouble is that he of course believes it is, and wants to the public to believe it is. Does he believe that this interview with Cramer is unfair and filled with cheap-shots?

    He knew the interview with Cramer was unfair because Cramer was busted by his own documented, illegal advice, which contradicted the present Cramer’s own claims seconds before. The unfairness is when a guilty scumbag blithely walks into his own indictment; there really was no contest and Cramer was over-matched before it began. I’d call that ‘unfair.’

    The fairness comes in where Stewart more than gives Cramer a chance to explain the inexplicable and inexcusable. Also unfair to show damning video of a murder, then ask the murderer to exonerate himself.

    Obviously unfair.

    There were no ‘cheap shots;’ you haven’t cited where what Stewart said was untrue; Cramer certainly didn’t disagree either and was allowed to present his case. He chose to throw himself on the mercy of the Stewart court.

    If he doesn’t, and if the public isn’t supposed to take it as a fair dressing-down, what on earth is it on TV show? It’s not funny, so that can’t be the attraction.

    It’s truth, and equally unsurprising that you don’t recognize or understand it when it’s presented to you.

    His tone is one of heroic and self-righteous outrage, not jocular, breezy comedy….Forgive me for being a bit confused about whether I’m supposed to take him as a comic or serious journalist at this moment.

    Humor is based on universal truth. Conservatives do not understand humor, that’s why they suck at it. That’s why the “Half Hour News Hour” was such a massive suckfest and was mercifully canceled. That Jon Stewart took that truth to another level, and presented it in an entertaining way; also in keeping with the format of the show which is to distill the essence of current events into entertaining segments, is the prerogative of the show.

    It obviously was met with tremendous approval.

    I forgive you your confusion since there were displayed not one, but two concurrent, interwoven genres: comedy and truthful accuracy, subjects with which conservatives are uniquely and perpetually unfamiliar.


  255. dbadass says:

    I thought it was an easy enough question. Is it possible that Mr Prostitute ain’t too bright?


  256. Hoodathunk says:

    Wow, FG, you got spew down pat. Since this post is about Stewart vrs Cramer it sort of hits the null input bell.


  257. Hoodathunk says:

    My big question is, where did you cut and paste that from? It obviously is more in depth and intelligent than anything else you have ever posted.


  258. hanshiro says:

    Apparently fredgarvin is losing his point. Thus, the mission creep from Keith to Jon, now to Media Matters; thinking there’s safety in a moving target…

    How many degrees before we get to Kevin? Or Clinton?


  259. Hoodathunk says:

    Crap, Keith, Joe and Hanshiro beat me to the question.


  260. Hoodathunk says:

    Rush, an entertainer, spends an hour and a half addressing a big conservative convention and tells them things that are lies since he has never understood the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence.

    Jon exposes a Wall Street scam artist.

    Think about it.


  261. Keith says:

    CNBC is corporate-friendly, therefore, Cramer must be corporate-friendly. Not too much criticism. Not too much honesty or investigative journalism. Just regurgitate what Bear Stern’s execs say as if it were true. Do not tell people to sell stock. Do not tell people the market is going down.


  262. hanshiro says:

    339. fred garvin Says:You are the one that brought up media matters, hansolo.

    I did indeed as an archiving source, but not as a suggested refuge for you to hide from your previous sinking position.


  263. dbadass says:

    For real fred garvin will you answer my question or won’t you? If you won’t can you atleast explain why you won’t. I don’t want people to think you have been played…


  264. hanshiro says:

    garvin is doubtless writing a bitter manifesto…

    He’ll show us


  265. SlappyBastinado says:

    I’m so confused ………I get all my news from Keith on Countdown, all my stock tips from Cramer and Jon is my hero ……. Wheres Rodney King? ………………HELP!


  266. Hoodathunk says:

    Poor Freddy G. Lost and hammered. Jon toasted Cramer. Jon would roast the Fatman but he is too afraid to go against anyone with an IQ higher than his. Since that includes over 75% of America, the Fatman loses.


  267. Hoodathunk says:

    Hanshiro, he really is a slow typer. Or so wired he can think straight. I vote for the second.


  268. ruick says:

    342. if you guys hate cnbc so much dont watch it ~_~


  269. dasm says:

    Cramer has told colleagues he felt blindsided by Stewart’s hostile approach.
    OMG this man is hilarious!! He admits to illegal practices, then wonders why people might find that inappropriate? Dishonest? Illegal (his own words!) Criminal?? You stupid, ignorant putz, Cramer. That’s the very most complimentary I can be.


  270. dbadass says:

    342. if you guys hate cnbc so much dont watch it ~_~


    How can you tell when more than one person composes a single post let alone that it was a collection of males?


  271. hanshiro says:

    347. Hoodathunk Says: Jon would roast the Fatman but he is too afraid to go against anyone with an IQ higher than his.

    That’s another interesting point: Conservatives like Limbaugh refuse to go on Olbermann or Stewart and O’Reilly refuses to have Media Matters on his show, preferring to demonize them from afar. I dare say Olbermann would agree to an unedited interview. I know Stewart would.

    Limbaugh or O’Reilly would never agree. Ever.

    Why hasn’t fredgarvin slammed Santelli for chickening out? Because it’s what any conservative would’ve done: duck responsibility; so fred can identify. To him, it makes excellent sense.

    Conservatives are too cowardly to venture out of their studios and have an even-handed exchange of ideas. They don’t like it when they can’t cut the mic.


  272. Hoodathunk says:

    ruick, if you want to grow up to be a troll (why you might want to escapes me) you have to pay much closer attention.

    If you don’t, well think about your questions before you type.


  273. Hoodathunk says:

    FreddyG, it is rude to ignore direct inquiries. Also stupid because everyone then knows you are too chicken to respond. Sort of what hanshiro is talking about in 353. It is also a classic trademark of Republicans and trolls…avoid the direct confrontation when your sh*t is weak.


  274. dbadass says:

    fred garvin you do realize that failure to respond is a tacit acknowledgement of having been played correct?


  275. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    joe’s list of things to do: absolutely nothing.

    *

    right.

    gonna rake the leaves today

    fg?

    ::


  276. Keith says:

    fg,
    Further proof you don’t know what in the f uck you are talking about. Do you?


  277. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    Humor is based on universal truth. Conservatives do not understand humor, that’s why they suck at it. That’s why the “Half Hour News Hour” was such a massive suckfest and was mercifully canceled.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>

    Stereotype, much?

    **

    couldn’t think of a joke, eh fg?

    not surprised.

    it’s genetic with you and your people,

    isn’t it? check it out here :)

    **


  278. hanshiro says:

    355. fred garvin Says: Stereotype, much?

    Are we changing the ground rules of this exchange and excluding partisan generalities? You will lose.


  279. Hoodathunk says:

    It appears Freddy G is lost in his own spin. And Habib has deserted him. Expect nonsensical eructations at random intervals.


  280. Hoodathunk says:

    Or the intervention of the second string.


  281. Hoodathunk says:

    I see he has opted for the nonsensical option.


  282. Hoodathunk says:

    FreddyG, the topic of the thread is Cramer/Stewart but I have already pointed this out to you. Care to revisit the planet?


  283. Hoodathunk says:

  284. Keith says:

    Wasn’t Dubya’s excuse for not going to the Republican convention—-the fizzled out hurricane?


  285. dbadass says:

    I feel comfortable accepting fred garvin’s admission that I have once again spanked his silly ass. Any thoughts fred?


  286. hanshiro says:

    365. fred garvin Says: Olbermann chose to cover a fizzled out hurricane over covering the Republican convention because he’s…heehaw…heehaw…

    You’re flailing, fred. You can’t back up you Stewart accusations, you can’t mission creep to media matters, so you resort to your earlier, and irrelevant Olbermann campaign.

    Equally impotent.

    No wonder conservatives take such a familiar position, after all, Bob Dole was the spokesman for Viagra…


  287. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSn-1JiQORU

    *

    again fg, kinda funny but

    not really funny.

    try this one.

    :)


  288. joe cantwell says:

    “opined”?

    :|


  289. Hoodathunk says:

    we should petition TP to change Freddy G’s name to Hardlyworth the effort.


  290. Keith says:

    “McCain, in an interview broadcast yesterday, said it would be inappropriate to have a “festive occasion” against the backdrop of a potential disaster.

    Bush, who had been due to speak at the convention in Minneapolis-St Paul tonight, would not be attending in order to focus on disaster relief. “It just wouldn’t be appropriate to have a festive occasion while a near tragedy or a terrible challenge is presented in the form of a natural disaster,” McCain said in an interview recorded on Saturday with Fox News Sunday.”
    —————————
    See, fg, I can cut and paste, too—without providing the source.


  291. hanshiro says:

    373. fred garvin Says: hansolo, you brought up olbermann. I opined.

    As I recall, you fueled irrelevant OT speculation on Olbermann in your very first post: 29.fred garvin Says:


  292. backup says:

    fred garvin. I haven’t really followed the thread, but has anyone made the point that Stewart’s show is on The Comedy Channel?

    There’s a big push to discredit Cramer as a hack and it’s coming from a guy that is relegated to The Comedy Channel?

    What’s next? Turning the microphone over to some at the Home Shopping Network?


  293. dbadass says:

    I’m off to Margaritaville. Adios!


    Sorry to embarass you again fred garvin. I think coming up with a reason to scatter is probably in your best interest


  294. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    opined:To express an opinion

    Sorry to confuse you, jc.

    ***

    you’re excused.

    don’t forget the leaves.

    :)


  295. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    Keith Says

    Did you go off your tourettes medication?

    **

    fg, rule of thumb.

    when you try to be funny,

    you’re not.

    **

    word.

    :)


  296. hanshiro says:

    380.fred garvin Says:

    opined:To express an opinion

    Funny, nowhere in the rest of that definition did I read that it can be used to run away from the salient intent of a post: namely that conservatives are too chicken to have unedited interviews with the likes of Stewart and Olbermann.

    Must be some new usage that fred is premiering. Run, fred….


  297. dbadass says:

    Some far left loon up-thread went as far as to call stewy a “serious journalist.” That’s about it.


    Well that and the part where you pussied out regarding the fat man


  298. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    You forgot to mention which university Stewart got his degree in journalism from. Can you refresh my memory?
    ___________

    A Bachelors of Science from Cornell…

    Care to refresh or memory about Rush’s degree?


  299. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Hoodathunk Says:

    TRoS, a Photoshop pic of Republicans in Congress in diapers? How juvenile.

    I want a copy.
    __________

    Yer on the list. They’ll all be signed, numbered, and dated…


  300. joe cantwell says:

    backup Says:
    fred garvin. I haven’t really followed the thread, but has anyone made the point that Stewart’s show is on The Comedy Channel?

    There’s a big push to discredit Cramer as a hack and it’s coming from a guy that is relegated to The Comedy Channel?

    What’s next? Turning the microphone over to some at the Home Shopping Network?

    *

    let’s check out our

    backup files and see

    what backup has to say

    about attacking the messenger

    and not addressing the message.

    **

    oh backup here’s your hypocrite hat.

    perfect fit for you, isn’t it?

    :)


  301. dbadass says:

    Is anyone opposed to me declaring fred garvin “Pussy for Life”? I feel I have offered Mr Prostitute numerous opportunities to prove me wrong.


  302. hanshiro says:

    386.fred garvin Says:

    backup Says: fred garvin. I haven’t really followed the thread, but has anyone made the point that Stewart’s show is on The Comedy Channel?

    Some far left loon up-thread went as far as to call stewy a “serious journalist.” That’s about it.

    So, by your understanding, the ‘Hallmark Channel’ should exclusively be about greeting cards? Brilliant!


  303. joe cantwell says:

    fred garvin Says:
    fred garvin Says:

    Hoodathunk Says:

    Nice try, FG but nope. Jon is both a comedian and a serious journalist.
    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    You forgot to mention which university Stewart got his degree in journalism from. Can you refresh my memory?

    **

    the same as one as hannity.

    ooops! sorry, i forgot, he was a

    college drop out, wasn’t he?

    :)


  304. backup says:

    namely that conservatives are too chicken to have unedited interviews with the likes of Stewart and Olbermann.

    Wasn’t it every Democratic nominee for the last election, that refused to debate on Fox?

    http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/05/31/publiceye/entry2870925.shtml


  305. joe cantwell says:

    no leaves.

    no margaritas.

    still stuck here, eh?

    ::


  306. dbadass says:

    fred garvin Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    hansolo, you brought up olbermann.

    —-
    Isn’t the posters name hanshiro? Maybe you aren’t too bright


  307. backup says:

    perfect fit for you, isn’t it?

    joe. Looks like you’ve stretched out the rim. Besides, it suits you better.


  308. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    Some far left loon up-thread…
    __________

    What’s a far left loon?

    As far as Stewart is concerned… he’s never pretended to be anything other than a comedian, unlike Limbaugh, O’Reilly, Hannity, Malkin, Coulter, Beck, or any of the other right wing talking heads…

    Remind us again… when did O’Reilly win his Peabodys?


  309. dbadass says:

    I wonder what might happen if we apply a little of the Archie B approach on old Mr I Am Too Afraid To Respond. Damn I hate these jackass that think they are tough but can be played into silence in less than three posts


  310. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    Ziiiiing!
    _________

    Yer kidding me, right?

    Conservatives’ very own Pravda?


  311. Keith says:

    fg,

    I will try to explain it to you.

    a)You were criticizing Keith Olbermann for going to the ‘fizzled out hurricane’ instead of the Republican convention.

    b)I pointed out that Bush never went to the convention (extremely unusual since he is the REPUBLICAN PRESIDENT) supposedly because of the ‘fizzled out hurricane’. And McCain, the NOMINEE, went late ,due to the’fizzled out hurricane’.

    c)I was pointing out your ignorance and hypocrisy.

    d) You don’t source your cut and paste’s.


  312. hanshiro says:

    398.backup Says:

    namely that conservatives are too chicken to have unedited interviews with the likes of Stewart and Olbermann.

    Wasn’t it every Democratic nominee for the last election, that refused to debate on Fox?

    Key on the term ‘unedited’ b. Could that have a smidge to do with it?

    Think carefully, b, has FOX been known to consistently edit their video in misleading ways? To blatantly distort even photos of people they dislike? And if so, why would anyone subject their honesty to the unscrupulous behavior of a known propaganda network?

    Answer the question, b, are they known for purposely misleading edits?


  313. Keith says:

    dbadass Says:
    Is anyone opposed to me declaring fred garvin “Pussy for Life”?

    dbadass, I second that emotion. He’s made two personal attacks at me.


  314. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    hanshiro Says:

    Answer the question, b, are they known for purposely misleading edits?
    ___________

    Hell, hanshiro… Fox claimed in court they had a Constitutional right to lie and call it news…

    http://www.akuaku.org/archives/2004/09/fox_right_to_li.shtml

    FOX: RIGHT TO LIE

    Posted by dav at 2004 September 9 01:43 PM

    Pretty much everyone who cares about Truth is of the opinion that FOX “News” doesn’t put much stock in it. I wasn’t aware until reading this summary of a recent court ruling that FOX had set its lawyers out to defend its right to lie to its viewers though.

    During their appeal, FOX asserted that there are no written rules against distorting news in the media. They argued that, under the First Amendment, broadcasters have the right to lie or deliberately distort news reports on public airwaves. Fox attorneys did not dispute Akre’s claim that they pressured her to broadcast a false story, they simply maintained that it was their right to do so.

    Gee… why would any SANE human being want to avoid Fox Noise??

    Ziiiiiiiiiiiing….


  315. backup says:

    Think carefully, b, has FOX been known to consistently edit their video in misleading ways?

    I’m open to an example. While we are waiting, I’ll offer up this headline from ThinkProgress:

    Sanford: Rush Limbaugh is an ‘idiot.’

    and here’s what Sanford actually said:

    SANFORD: I don’t want him to fail. Anybody who wants him to fail is an idiot, because it means we’re all in trouble.

    What about that?


  316. fikiredin.blogcu.com says:

    Since I’m not a cable tv subscriber, I’m not very familiar with Jim Cramer’s show. But I don’t understand why Matt seems to think that “ordinary people” should not purchase individual stocks if they want to.


  317. Keith says:

    fg,
    In case you aren’t smart enough to figure it out:

    I said you don’t know what in the f uck you are talking about

    because you said:

    I take it your wife wears the pants in your family? Do you jump when told to jump?


  318. telestai2 says:

    osage Says:

    Cramer made Cramer look like a fool.

    A real-life, NON-Hollywood example of “[C]ramer vs. [C]ramer.”


  319. backup says:

    I second that emotion. He’s made two personal attacks at me.

    If this is the criteria, you have quite a clowder of progressive feline here.


  320. hanshiro says:

    Let’s try these, b…

    My but that looks fairly unprofessional, b. Would you entrust such an organization to be fair with you?

    Also this.

    Having googled “Fox edits video” got 7,020,000 hits. ‘Nuff said…


  321. Keith says:

    Wasn’t it every Democratic nominee for the last election, that refused to debate on Fox?

    Because they are extremely BIASED?

    Ziiiiing!


  322. dbadass says:

    412
    Are you baiting the threads or was it an accident that you posted the exact same thing in more than one place?


  323. backup says:

    Aren’t debates carried live? I guess Fox is capable of editing live broadcasts. I knew they were good, but not that good.


  324. hanshiro says:

    411. backup Says: SANFORD: I don’t want him to fail. Anybody who wants him to fail is an idiot, because it means we’re all in trouble.

    Rush stated without reservation that he wanted Obama to fail.

    Simple equation. Sanford said anyone; that clearly includes Rush. How is that a distortion? Notice also that TP put quote marks on only the word “idiot,” which is press shorthand to inference, not direct quote.


  325. Keith says:

    telestai2,
    Cramer v. Cramer
    I’m surprised Stewart didn’t think of that.


  326. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    fred garvin Says:

    Cornell AG, like olby? LOL!
    ___________

    It is an Ivy League degree. Seeing as “Ivy league” only formally refers to an athletic conference, I’m not sure what the hoohah is…

    Ann Coulter got, what, a BA? WOW!!!!

    http://www.cornell.edu/academics/colleges.cfm

    College of Agriculture and Life Sciences*

    The College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (CALS) is the second-largest undergraduate college at Cornell University and the third-largest college of its kind in the United States. It has been ranked in national surveys as the best college of agriculture and related sciences in the country.
    __________

    “the best college…”

    Perhaps you’d care to discuss this w/ the faculty there, or maybe the Cornell faculty could debate the faculty of the university Limbaugh graduated from…

    What’s the name of that place?


  327. dbadass says:

    Keith
    backup seems to have an issue with the criteria so I suppose I will rephrase.

    Is there anyone here that will argue that fred garvin is not Pussy For Life and if so why not?


  328. Keith says:

    TRoS,
    You mean one semester at SouthWestMissouriState?


  329. hanshiro says:

    419.backup Says:

    Aren’t debates carried live? I guess Fox is capable of editing live broadcasts. I knew they were good, but not that good.

    ???

    The Stewart/Cramer debate wasn’t live; yes, you can edit a live debate with a 7-second delay. Are you purposely being obtuse or are you really that uninformed about both debates and FOX’s editing notoriety?


  330. joe cantwell says:

    backup Says:
    Aren’t debates carried live? I guess Fox is capable of editing live broadcasts. I knew they were good, but not that good.

    *

    you motherless fu(king nazi,

    you know they get to ask the

    questions and turn the mics

    on and off. you are such a pathetic

    propagandist whore.

    :)

    hypocrite and whore.

    not much to choose from

    with you, is there?

    **
    wear your hat

    with pride, throwup. you can store

    it next to your pointy white one.

    :|


  331. Keith says:

    dbadass, I think backedup called us all “Pussies”.


  332. backup says:

    hanshiro. you’re implying that Democrats didn’t want to debate on Fox because Fox edits video. You can’t credibly edit a live debate.


  333. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Keith Says:

    TRoS,
    You mean one semester at SouthWestMissouriState?
    ___________

    Yeeeaaah… dat’s de place… right dere.

    Remind me… what did Rush study… Pharmacology? Propaganda?


  334. joe cantwell says:

    Keith Says:
    dbadass, I think backedup called us all “Pussies”.

    ***

    he dropped the “concern”.

    now he’s just a regular old,

    name changing, inbred troll.

    one of a few who just can’t let go.

    ::


  335. Keith says:

    How about choosing the questions for each nominee?


  336. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    backup Says:

    hanshiro. you’re implying that Democrats didn’t want to debate on Fox because Fox edits video.
    __________

    Of course, one could also restate this comment as… “Democrats DELIBERATELY snubbed Fox due to the egregiously heavy-handed treat they have received from Fox so many times in the past.”

    There… see? It’s all how you frame the issue. You can thank me later.


  337. joe cantwell says:

    backup Says:
    hanshiro. you’re implying that Democrats didn’t want to debate on Fox because Fox edits video. You can’t credibly edit a live debate.

    **

    throwup, trying to shove his

    words into other people’s mouths.

    ***

    when’s he’ finished having sex with it

    he’ll bring out his straw man.

    **

    ba(kup – nothing if not predictable.

    :|


  338. Keith says:

    TRoS, I think if you don’t go past the first semester, it just comes under General Studies. The easiest “A” I ever had at university was intro to journalism.


  339. hanshiro says:

    428.backup Says: hanshiro. you’re implying that Democrats didn’t want to debate on Fox because Fox edits video. You can’t credibly edit a live debate.

    Okay, b; I just have to accept that you’re dumb as sh¡t so I’ll type slowly…

    The original contention is that Limbaugh and O’Reilly would never agree to an unedited debate. They would need to have control rather than a level playing field.

    FOX is not, nor has it ever been a level playing field. Ever. FOX has pulled any number of shenanigans and is far from a trustworthy steward of non-partisan formats. Hence, the idea makes about as much sense as the Bernie Madoff Charity Hedge Fund…


  340. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    hanshiro Says:

    Are you purposely being obtuse or are you really that uninformed about both debates and FOX’s editing notoriety?
    __________

    Gee, hanshiro… why does it have to be obtuse OR uninformed?

    Why can’t it be both… obtuse AND uninformed?


  341. backup says:

    joe. the straw man comment is very funny.


  342. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    Education:

    Limbaugh graduated from Cape Central High School, in 1969. His father and mother wanted him to attend college, so he enrolled at Southeast Missouri State University. He dropped out after two semesters and one summer; according to his mother, “he flunked everything”, even a modern ballroom dancing class.
    __________

    Even a modern ballroom dancing class?


  343. backup says:

    hanshiro, come on, Fox is the only channel that people complain about bias?


  344. hanshiro says:

    437. backup Says:joe. the straw man comment is very funny.

    Which proves what I said earlier b:

    “Humor is based on universal truth.”

    …and the whole TP universe knows that Joe’s funny post is based in truth. Q.E.D.


  345. Keith says:

    TRoS,
    Oh, SouthEAST Missouri State!!! That one’s a lot tougher!


  346. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    backup Says:

    hanshiro, come on, Fox is the only channel that people complain about bias?
    ________________

    They are, to my knowledge, the only news network, and I use that term loosely, to go into court and claim they have a Constitutional right to lie…


  347. backup says:

    hanshiro. Democrats should have debated on Fox.

    http://www.thenation.com/blogs/state_of_change/174222

    Kucinich had it right.


  348. Keith says:

    Habib,
    Did you know that McCain only got into the Naval Academy because of his father and grandfather—and that he was 894th out of 899?

    Did you know that Bush only got into his prep school, Yale, and the Texas Nat Guard because of his father and grandfather?

    Did you know that Palin went to six undergraduate schools and noone remembers her anywhere?


  349. hanshiro says:

    439.backup Says: hanshiro, come on, Fox is the only channel that people complain about bias?

    Not too subtle a shift, there b. Reframing the issue terminology doesn’t get you out of the hole. I said:

    “FOX is not, nor has it ever been a level playing field. Ever. FOX has pulled any number of shenanigans and is far from a trustworthy steward of non-partisan formats.”

    Both Stewart and Olbermann are by far more trustworthy in their accuracy and video editing than FOX. Not to mention their fairness. The sheer bulk of evidence against FOX’s well-documented bias and dishonesty makes risking an appearance prohibitive.

    Olbermann even removed a commentator for inaccurate representation of an Obama comment.That isn’t something expected of FOX, as the home of Glenn Beck’s or O’Reilly’s slime pit has indisputably proven.


  350. backup says:

    They are, to my knowledge, the only news network, and I use that term loosely, to go into court and claim they have a Constitutional right to lie…

    Thanks, hanshiro.

    Alright. You people are cool. I’ve got to split. (Really, it’s just getting to intense).

    Have a good night.


  351. hanshiro says:

    444. backup Says: hanshiro. Democrats should have debated on Fox.

    FOX should be bankrupted for consistently spouting lies, misrepresentations and propaganda. The dems or anyone else were right not to legitimize FOX’s stellar lack of professionalism.


  352. stateofthedivision says:

    Jon Stewart and Cramer should both have fun with this:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/15/business/15AIG.html?hp

    More corporate bullshit.

    A.I.G. to Pay $100 Million in Bonuses After Huge Bailout

    Despite being bailed out with more than $170 billion from the Treasury and Federal Reserve, the American International Group is preparing to pay about $100 million in bonuses to executives in the same business unit that brought the company to the brink of collapse last year.


  353. The Republic of Stupidity says:

    I see fred garvin, male prostate, is back as his “alter ego”…
    ___________

    Habib Says:
    The real Cornell, the School of Arts and Sciences (average SAT: 1,325; acceptance rate: 1 in 6 applicants), is the only Ivy League school at Cornell and the only one that grants a Bachelor of Arts degree.
    ___________

    Uh, habib?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ivy_League

    The Ivy League is an athletic conference comprising eight private institutions of higher education in the Northeastern United States. The term is most commonly used to refer to those eight schools considered as a group.[1] The term also has connotations of academic excellence, selectivity in admissions, and social elitism.

    ATHLETIC CONFERENCE, habib… there’s no such thing as an officially designated Ivy League College for academic purposes, only athletic.

    BTW… your entire quote is from Ann Coulter.

    http://www.anncoulter.com/cgi-local/article.cgi?article=300):

    Please show enough maturity to CITE where you get your cut-n-pastes from. Are we safe in assuming that both Ms Coulter and you are big athletic supporters, habib?
    ____________

    Keith went to an affiliated state college at Cornell, the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences (average SAT: about that of pulling guards at the University of South Carolina; acceptance rate: 1 of every 1.01 applicants).
    ____________

    Actually it’s not “an affiliated state college at Cornell”… excuse me, but the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences is part… of… Cornell, period. it is NOT “affiliated”. And the acceptance rate is equal to Arts and Sciences…
    ____________

    Olbermann’s incessant lying about having an “Ivy League education” when he went to the non-Ivy League ag school at Cornell would be like a graduate of the Yale locksmithing school boasting about being a “Yale man.”
    ____________

    Again… merely more of the ever-hateful Coulter’s incessant yapping. For a more thorough deconstruction of Ms Coulter’s inanity…

    http://cornellsun.com/node/35917

    Op-Ed
    An Honorary Degree: Just This Once
    Saturdays Excepted
    March 9, 2009 – 12:00am
    By Eric Finkelstein


  354. Zooey says:

    I stopped reading when I saw b-cup is still advocating that Schiff idiot.

    I hope y’all are having fun. :-)


  355. Keith says:

    Hey Zooey, most fun I’ve ever had and still had all my clothes on!


  356. stateofthedivision says:

    For more CNBC tape exposing the fictions pushed on the public, go to:

    http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/

    Tavakoli versus CNBC, Investment Bankers etc.

    Jon Stewart did a great job of bringing to the attention of the public, CNBC’s tendency to protect the Wall Street elite. As I mentioned, Stewart’s one handicap was that he is not a Wall Street insider, so he doesn’t really have the expertise to provide the knockout blow. But, there is someone who does, and is not afraid to state things the way they really are, Janet Tavakoli.

    She just emailed me this clip of a CNBC appearance she made last year. Notice how she is not afraid to name the underwriters, i.e., the investment bankers, as part of the scam.


  357. Zooey says:

    Hey, Keith. Sorry about the clothes. ;)


  358. ralph the wonder llama says:

    It’s kind of heartening to see b-cup has dropped the pretense of concern and is letting his troll flag fly.

    I’m sure he’s much more at peace with himself now.


  359. politicscorner says:

    Cramer was appropriately contrite. What else could he have been given the body of evidence against him and his CNBC colleagues (Fox Business channel, etc. for that matter).


  360. joe cantwell says:

    backup Says:
    joe. the straw man comment is very funny.

    *

    thanks throwup.

    as home simpson would say,

    “it’s funny because it’s true.”

    btw,

    we went over the humor gap

    between liberals and conservatives

    with fg awhile ago. you probably missed it.

    ***


  361. joe cantwell says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:
    It’s kind of heartening to see b-cup has dropped the pretense of concern and is letting his troll flag fly.

    I’m sure he’s much more at peace with himself now.

    **

    ralph, it’s an improvement.

    but he still suffers under the

    illusion that he’s not a racist.

    **


  362. Wayne A. Schneider says:

    Habib,

    You, sir, are an idiot.


  363. RUCerious says:

    OK, as you can see by the timestamp it’s late.
    I’ve finished my janitorial rounds here, and scraped 351 pounds of trollblather off the walls, 119 gallons of trollscree off the floor. Thanks a lot y’all. I did manage to get some OT in tonight!


  364. RUCerious says:

    And bibah, you biblical jackass, go to bed already.


  365. Joe the Philosopher says:

    Although Jim Cramer received a Doctorate in Yelling from the Wharton School of Business, he was no match for a gag man on a mission. Just shows you the power of cold humor.


  366. RandomChaos says:

    Habib,
    I see your still here. Allah must of been really pissed.
    Well, continue with your flogging.

    Come give us some LOVIN!


  367. wbramh says:

    Cramer was not even a “16th Seed” in that tournament.
    More like a no-show.
    The only thing the viewer heard was “swish” as Stewart buried him 100-0.


  368. wbramh says:

    Interestingly, CBS and ABC both gave the Stewart/Cramer showdown significant coverage on their Friday night evening news programs. Jeff Greenfield did a full 3 minutes on Couric’s newscast.
    NBC and Brian Williams? – Notta!
    Olbermann on Friday night?? Notta!
    Only Rachel Maddow had the journalistic integrity to bring it up on the NBC family airwaves.
    The problem with financial news networks is their reliance on the sector for access. It’s similar to the problem we’ve seen over the years with the White House Press Corps. But the absurdity of the fears of financial pundits is worse. In their quest for access, they relinquish everything worth having access to. They have become parrots at best – and participating manipulators at worst.


  369. wiley says:

    Is Ann counting on an audience that is unaware that a university has many colleges?


  370. Keith says:

    Habib,
    You just copy and paste from Coulter without giving the source. Half of what she says is lies and the other half is hyperbole. She knows it and she doesn’t care. She is having fun and making bucks.

    Would you believe what Cornell’s own newspaper says about the Coulter-Olbermann argument?

    http://cornellsun.com/node/35917

    ————————————–

    http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214

    “However, FactChecker.org says it obtained Obama’s actual birth certificate and that the document was indeed real. The site discredited some of the claims of Internet bloggers, such as that the certificate as viewed in a scanned copy released by Obama’s campaign lacked a raised seal. FactChecker.org also established that many of the alleged flaws in the document noted by bloggers were caused by the scanning of the document.

    A separate WND investigation into Obama’s birth certificate utilizing forgery experts also found the document to be authentic. The investigation also revealed methods used by some of the bloggers to determine the document was fake involved forgeries, in that a few bloggers added text and images to the certificate scan that weren’t originally there.”



  371. wiley says:

    Is Ann also counting on an audience to believe that if someone doesn’t have a Bachelor of Arts degree that they don’t have a degree at all? A Bachelor of Science is definitely a degree, as is a Bachelor of Fine Arts. Pity the way these media elites jack around their blinkered audience.




  372. Keith says:

    cornellsun.com/node/35917

    worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=73214


  373. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Archie B Says:
    World Nut Daily? LOL!

    Yep, Arch, that’s the same reaction we have when one of you trolls posts a link to that wingnut sinkhole.


  374. jay says:

    republicans hate facts Says:

    Oh and Bibah, how did McCain have an AMERICAN BIRTH CERTIFICATE if he was BORN on LAND THAT BELONGED TO PANAMA again? ;)

    Sockpuppet rtf troll, if you were as smart as you keep telling yourself you are, then the answer is yes he can have an American Birth Certificate. Your stupidity is quite evident.


  375. DNFP says:

    How many of these advisers were and are paid shills or compensated in other ways.

    I’ve recently began hearing the “free investment” seminars advertised on local radio.

    Only in a Wingnut’s mind does an “ownership” society involve buying pieces of worthless paper with arbitrary values assigned to each.

    Reality is just too scary of a place for a Regressive.


  376. DNFP says:

    Hmmm, the wingnut, GOP apologist desperation is reaching palpable levels.

    Mission almost accomplished…


  377. Keith says:

    Archie B,
    Obviously, I was pointing out that if even WorldNetDaily says Obama’s birth certificate was authenic, that must be proof to the right that it is authenic.

    And don’t you think that Cornell’s own newspaper is a good source in the Coulter-Olbermann argument? (I’m probably expecting too much from you. I can only tell you. I cannot do your understanding for you)




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