REMEMBER how the Wall Street Speculators drove the prices up to
$ 5.00 a gallon
in some states.

Think of what that did to your family budget and our Economy.
It destroyed it.

The high prices amounted to an Oil Industry TAX on you and me, not approved by Congress, but engineered by the Bush Oil Boosters
Like Cheney.

Examples must be made of Bush appointee lawyers who lied about
WMD, aluminum tubes, & Niger Uranium to con Congress into approving an invasion of Iraq, a country that did not have anything to do with 9-11.

Was it all just to Help The oil Industry make a Killing?

If we as a people hope to force our public officials to obey our laws and our Constitution,
the time is Now
and the way to do it is
to prosecute members of the Bush administration
who violated Federal Laws,
including the law against Torturing prisoners.

The reason that we continue to have unnecessary wars of choice is
that Congress makes excuses for lawbreaking officials instead of impeaching or prosecuting them.

There was no doubt that 9-11 needed to be avenged, but Bush had another agenda.

In WW-II, in 4 years, FDR put 13,000,000 men in the fight, beat 3 dictatorships, their leaders dead at the end.

After 7 years of War On Terror, neither Bush nor Cheney could find Osama Bin Laden, our US reputation is in the gutter, we’re still at war, over 4,200 US Soldiers are dead, over 30,000 maimed for the Bush-Cheney arrogance & lies. They ordered Torture, a violation of Federal Law.

Unless Obama’s statement that “no one is above the law” is a lie,
Obama must appoint a Special Prosecutor

Sign The Petition To Prosecute

http://ANGRYVoters.org

Over 63,000 have signed

Join them!

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I have read John Halperin’s definition of progressivism
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2004/01/b18188.html

I have a few issues with the naming of past progressives, and even the authoritative claiming of the word “progressive,” but I generally agree with it. Sometimes I feel like the domestic/social policy stuff is a little too laissez-faire and maybe that’s “liberal” ideology. Maybe not laissez-faire, but overly optimistic that the “non-ideological” center of the country will make informed decisions on civil and equal rights cases.

I even read through a little of Larry Korb’s stuff. Like this thread, I think that at the end of the day, there’s more to be in agreement about than disagreement.

The only thing I’d give you a heads-up about is your approach to this blog and its threads. There is a level of defensiveness on this blog that I believe is because people come here to pick fights, get people riled up. It’s created a culture where it’s very difficult to have a thoughtful conversation with people that disagree with you. Things get shrill very fast, as you have seen. I think you need to understand that this isn’t just a “leftist” echo chamber. People disagree and argue the fine and broad points here, even though it gets really difficult when there is so much disrespect. I don’t think everyone is enlightened on here, and there’s a lot of anger at a lot of injustice.

you can’t just sweep in and pick off people’s comments because you disagree. Respect goes both ways, and I think fits into your progressive identification.

Like your radical half-wit comments dont come across? A Newsroom? Have you ever worked at an Army HQ Command? Do you deal with SEL civilians and GOs everyday? You think you have heard it all? DEBATE is great–and I will give it to realness and hussein who actually do. There is intelligent and specific points in what they say and what they cite. What have you said besides repugnicians, thats all you say. Ive been a registered Dem for years. I would guess you being involved in media would understand spin, what you need to learn from hussein and realness–especially hussein in this case–is how to find facts and know how to use them. You really havent said a single, intelligent thought on iraq, economics, middle east politics, us foreign policy, military strategy, us view from abroad…really any number of points that could contribute. You just said repugnician, and somehow that satifies you. you sound like a little old lady who doesnt know what shes saying.

Who’s jumping to odd-ball paranoid conclusions? Yeah, right. Like your “brainwashed talking points” don’t come across LOUDLY and CLEARLY.

I work in a Newsroom, a very REPUGNICAN newsroom. I’ve heard it all before. Go somewhere else. We’re trying to debate ideas in an intelligent manner. Distortion of facts – like the ones you spew – should just be ignore.

I know I will.

The term “progressive” is today often used in place of “liberal”. Although the two are related in some ways, they are separate and distinct political ideologies. According to John Halpin, senior advisor on the staff of the Center for American Progress, “Progressivism is an orientation towards politics, It’s not a long-standing ideology like liberalism, but an historically-grounded concept… that accepts the world as dynamic.” Progressives see progressivism as an attitude towards the world of politics that is broader than conservatism vs. liberalism, and as an attempt to break free from what they consider to be a false and divisive dichotomy.”

Dont jump to odd-ball paranoid conclusions either. Hussein makes good points (and what this is as hussein said, is all talking points, hence the debate), and talks to the issue more than anything, I think he would agree (since he sounded like someone who could make an arguement), this isnt a repugnicians thing, its not as if either of us are making these things up (actually krystal its comments like that that make you sound like an airhead who doesnt know really anything about anything). There are lots of facts out there, go interpret them, come back and write something. Stop reading huffington post all day

After accepting all the Bush’s lies for so many years, and allowing them to go unchallenged, you would at least think they could pretend to care. Pretense is something they do all the time. More hard hitting journalistic integrity. Right?

Thanks Hussein Toasterhead. You showed it that idependent thought is something repugnicans are NOT used to and can not deal with FACTS when confronted with them.

For being such a cheerleader for this travesty, how come YOUR ass is not in the army?

CHICKENSHIT!

My responses are selective, it is certainly hard to respond to everything all the time. They would also probably come off as bizarre compared to what is normally written on TP. Progressive in my view is going down its own weird path. Looking historically at who the progressives were, and how that translates today, I worry that is becoming the “left” –which it shouldnt be. There are progressive republicans as there are progressive dems–chuck hagel is a good example. I tend not to see that reflected here. Ha no I was not an accountant, which has to be one of the worst lines of work ever-especially at a nonprofit. This blog tends to make me want to argue, not because I disagree, it is just so one sided. The debate that has resulted, I think, has been a good one. I wish I could write more in responses, but as I think most of us do–I have a day job.

And 6 years later, they’re still living in Extremely poor conditions, and since the USA were in charge those 6 years, the responsibility falls directly on your shoulders.

http://www.imf.org/external/np/loi/2008/irq/112908.pdf

IM goign to jump around a bit in responses using your numbers

2. A dictatorship is indeed still a government. To clarify my point and respond to yours: Bathist Officials that were at the head of those ministries followed an agenda set by the dictator. So while they existed, they were for the most part figurehead appointments. The state of those ministries were extremely week after Gulf War 1. After the invasion and toppling of the dictatorship, US war planning expected the iraqi military to assume many of the roles as tehy would have some structure already in place. We screwed that up–on purpose or not thats your call–but regardless the situation was left where private contracting was again the only viable means at the time in 2003.

1. The banking system point you make I think goes after more of what I was saying with regards to “nothing to pillage.” $1.8 billion in assets, or about 86 percent of the total assets in Iraq’s banking system. RRRRRRRReally? Thats nothing. I mean its something to them, but in the grand scheme of US efforts in iraq and the banking system–thats really not alot of money. Im leaving alot open here, but wanted to right something real quick.

3. Privitization of utilities, sure, I would not want it outsourced to a foreign coutnry. But please dont make it soudn like the Iraqi people were living in an even similar environment to what we do. They had NOTHING. Between the sanctions, no fly zone, etc. that we maintained after desert storm, that country was on lock down and the people were living in EXTREMELY poor conditions. It is not hard to find tons of information on Iraqi living conditions between 1992 and 2003. What is somewhat ironic, is the one thing that could make it worse would be a war. one that was unnecessary. Privitization again, I would have to say in this case, better than nothing (again i am not addressing corporate ties to the bush regime blablabla)

4. I dont have time to hit this as fully as I would like, but please read this report–it shows some good numbers that would also address the financial point you made. Minaly look at the CBI and its overall growth compared to pre-2003. Also, I would look at GDP growth.

Thoughts?

March 19th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
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Or moved to one of Louisiana’s parishes.

nearly 100,000 (or more) Iraqi civilians have parished

Does this mean they converted to Catholicism?