Inhofe: The ‘Middle Eastern mentality’ is ‘worse’ than Nazism.
Inhofe: The ‘Middle Eastern mentality’ is ‘worse’ than Nazism.
Since President Obama took office, Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) has emerged as one of the leading congressional voices opposing the closure of Guantanamo Bay. Yesterday, Inhofe discussed the issue on the G. Gordon Liddy Show, saying the U.S. needs to “keep the Gitmo open.” Inhofe said the “Middle Eastern mentality” of the detainees is more dangerous than that of Nazis:
LIDDY: Well, you know, that’s as if we had a hundred or fifty hardcore Nazi rotten…SS prisoners and instead of, you know, sending them back to Germany at the end of the war, we just turned them loose in the American communities. I mean, it doesn’t make any sense.
INHOFE: Well, this is a little worse than that, I think, because you’re dealing with the Middle Eastern mentality. And terrorists, you know, they don’t care about dying.
Listen here:
“There are still innocent people there [Guantanamo],” former Colin Powell chief of staff Lawrence Wilkerson said yesterday. “Some have been there six or seven years.”
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I am more frightened of the Republican mentality than the Nazi and Middle-East mentalities put together.
March 20th, 2009 at 3:58 pmWell, at least he fits right in on Liddy’s show.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:00 pmPresident Clinton had a terrorist trial in our Courts after the first WW bomb and how long as Zarqawi been in a U.S. Federal Super Max Prison?
Anybody hear from Zarqawi lately?
If these people held at Gitmo are found to be guilty of [any] charges, we got lotsa Super Max Prisons in this country, plenty of room for CONVICTED criminals . .
March 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pmI would just like to apologize for state senator Inhofe. Please believe that not everybody in Oklahoma is like this. It sickens me beyond believe when I hear him talk.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:04 pmIf any of you ever wondered what it would be like if Archie B got elected to the Senate, James Inhofe is your answer.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:05 pmNHOFE: … And terrorists, you know, they don’t care about dying.
– - Then we can never win militarily. Maybe it’s time to try the “hearts and minds” approach and defeat the root causes of this terrorism, or at least make it chronic issue and not a terminal one.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:05 pmI’ve HAD it up to HERE with Republicans. There isn’t a single reason I should listen to ANYTHING that they have to say…
Why?
Because their politics, their policies and their Party have FAILED….. MISERABLY. They lack ANY amount of credibility…about ANYTHING.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:07 pmWhy do the people of Oklahoma vote for this man? Inhofe is an embarrassment. Not only does he not beleive in Global Warming, he makes idiotic statements like this. Good Lord.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:09 pmRalph@5, Perish the thought!
March 20th, 2009 at 4:10 pm“we just turned them loose in the American communities.”
STRAW MAN! No one is saying we should close Gitmo and turn them loose on our street. They will be going into JAILS until they get trails!
March 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pmIt was Bush’s policies at Gitmo that led to led to the realease of actual terrorists.
What exactly is Inhofe defending?
March 20th, 2009 at 4:12 pmAnd terrorists, you know, they don’t care about dying.
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Yes, DYING and TORTURE, they love it!!
Some might say akin to the INQUISITION, Senator!
March 20th, 2009 at 4:14 pmI’m sure Obama will take Ivanhoe’s bleak warning under advisement.
In the mean time, how many prisoners escape america’s prisons per year? How many of these escapees are aprehended and returned to prison? Not very many i hope! Take the number of prisoners that escape, devided by the number of prisoners in america, times the number of Guantanamo Bay inmates. That’s the rate per year at which the Guantanamo Bay inmates will escape. Ivanhoe needs to know this, that’s all, unless he has republicanitis that is.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:14 pmDamn and I thought he was just a nonexpert on climate issues. I am impressed.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:18 pmThis sounds like a story that should be told around a campfire.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pmSenator Inhofe, pissing his pants on a daily basis.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:21 pmInhofe, the old lady in drag, is an american nazi so he should know.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:24 pmP.D. Says:
Why do the people of Oklahoma vote for this man?
– - You wouldn’t ask that if you’d ever spent any time at all in Oklahoma.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:24 pmTime to get Inhofe a case of Depends because pissing isn’t all he’s doing. It’s a case of the trots if you ask me.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:25 pm“we just turned them loose in the American communities.”
They forgot the part where Obama is going to give them assult weapons and instructions on how to make dirty bombs as well as maps showing every vulnerable target in America.
Boogy Boogy Boogy.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:25 pmNo! No! No! Not the Middle East…….he meant to say
March 20th, 2009 at 4:27 pmMiddle Texas mentality!! You know, Pete Sessions, George Bush, KKKarl Rove, John Cornyn, Kay Bailey Hutchison, Tom Delay……you know…those TERRORISTS !
“we just turned them loose in the American communities.”
March 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pm—-
No problem. Jack Bauer will handle it
Then again, Liddy was convicted on a variety of charges related to his role as a domestic state sponsored terrorist on behalf of Nixon’s efforts to subvert political opponents (and the constitution). Carter naively commuted his sentence and now this convicted felon gets to spread his perverted world view on the radio every day. Not that any sane person equates closing Gitmo with releasing terrorists but Liddy certainly does have personal experience with that sort of thing.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:29 pmYeah, and Inhofe just happens to be a very solid contender for stupidest man alive.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:29 pmSee, If a writer created a fictional dumbass senator as consistently stoopid as Inhofe, no one would take him seriously. Only in real life can one be this large of an a**hole and not be driven out into the desert.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:30 pmThis coming from a man who bit the head off a rat.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:32 pmWho the hell is talking about “releasing them into American communities”? Only Liddy & Inhofe.
How is it remotely American or safe or a yield to our national security to detain someone indefinitely without any honest assessment as to their terror risk or conduct meaningful trial or pretrial activity?
Just because it’s a neocon’s bright idea doesn’t mean it makes us safer. Racking up all the brown skinned people you can find on a designated battlefield or suspicious place and shipping them off to a island to be used as the go-to interrogation hub may appear to make us safer on the surface, but truly doesn’t.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:32 pmNext thing you know, Inhofe will say the Earth is flat and only 4,000 years old.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:34 pmInhofe should know since they are such fans of Flush Lemmingbowel, who could be a combination Joseph Goebbels, the propagandist, and Herman Goerring, a fat, sloppy, pompous, drug addict.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:34 pmCommentary about the ‘Middle East mentality’ from a senior member of the American taliban — that’s rich!
March 20th, 2009 at 4:36 pmGuido – are you from Texas?
Just wondering….
March 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pmThe bush administration and their enablers ignorantly indulge in unjust imprisonment, yet, for generations our own film community has released film after film of cautionary tales describing the consequences deriving from just such a practice; from “Shawshank Redemption,” to “V For Vendetta.”
Inhofe cavalierly condemns the U.S. to generations of revenge seeking tribal-minded clans who hold the U.S. no demonstrably different than the very Nazis whose label Inhofe seeks to pin on the victims of U.S. imperial foreign policy.
And you know how zealous for retribution Nazi-hunters and victims families were….
March 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pmP.D. Says:
Next thing you know, Inhofe will say the Earth is flat and only 4,000 years old.
Hasn’t he already gone on record with those claims?????
March 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pmLiddy & Gitmo.
Liddy in Gitmo.
Sounds like it should be kept open.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:39 pmWhat is it about Liddy’s show that brings out the crazier side of people whose marbles are a little mixed up to begin with?
First we have Rick Santelli exhibiting his paranoia that the Obama administration is out to get him and his children are afraid to go to school. Now this.
Is it that only crazy people agree to go on Liddy’s show? Or is there something about the Liddy himself that turns them into crackpots?
March 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pmIt appears that in certain states, one must past a stupidity test before taking elected office.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:41 pmIsn’t G. Gordon Liddy a convicted felon? He spent time in jail, and now he is viewed as a legitimate right wing spokesperson?
March 20th, 2009 at 4:42 pmWhat can we expect from Abramoff, or Cunningham, or Libby, or any one of the many officials who are now in prison.
“middle eastern mentality” it’s quite shocking to hear a politician use such broad terms, he makes it sound like the entire middle east is awash with terrorists, this is the very worst type of collectivism, it makes me sick.
and if he thinks holding people without trial/access to a lawyer/not even being told why they’re being held is acceptable, then perhaps he should leave the US, because it’s probably the most un-American things to say.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pmWell, I don’t think Inhofe is comparing Middle Easterners to Nazis.
I think Inhofe is comparing releasing Nazi’s into American society vs. letting Islamic fundamentalist’s suspected of waging jihad into American society.
The Nazi threat came from their control of the masses to accomplish what they wanted.
Individual Nazi’s released into society may not have presented a risk because they were impotent; their ideology was defeated.
Inhofe is suggesting that may not be the case for jihadists. Their threat comes from the fact that they are willing to kill themselves to accomplish their aim.
Because of that, and possibly more access to more significant tools and information, one individual could pose a significant threat.
The detainees deserve a trial, but Inhofe isn’t comparing Middle Easterners to Nazi’s. He’s saying that releasing these detainees poses more risk than releasing Nazi’s into American society after WWII. He was responding to Liddy’s comment.
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TeleMan Says:
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“we just turned them loose in the American communities.”
STRAW MAN! No one is saying we should close Gitmo and turn them loose on our street. They will be going into JAILS until they get trails!
That sounds good, but if they go to our jails they would be worse off than they are now. They would be in lock down for 23 hours a day; right now they have a lot more freedom.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pmLIDDY: Well, you know, that’s as if we had a hundred or fifty hardcore Nazi rotten…SS prisoners and instead of, you know, employing some of them to help in our weapons and rocketry programs, or letting them settle undisturbed in Paraguay, Chile and Argentina and then relying on them to crush socialism and communism in South America as part of the US proxy war against godlessness and the pursuit of capital in the hands of a select few, we just turned them loose in the American communities.
I mean, it doesn’t make any sense–because no one’s suggesting we turn a couple of hundred people we’ve incarcerated and tortured for 5 or 6 or 7 years onto the streets of Pleasantville USA so that they can then destroy a nation of 300 million from the inside by the awesome and unstoppable power of their Middle Eastern mentality!
INHOFE: “Well, this is a little worse than that…”,
Umm, unless Mr Inhofe’s and Mr Liddy’s mutual masturbation fantasy also includes dogs and cats living together openly, I’d say no, it can’t be any worse—unless you really really want it to be worse of course.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pmEach time there is a televised hearing and these Senators speak, I can’t figure out how they get elected. They appear to be so out of touch with reality and border line stupid.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pmOh, far-right…never passing up a chance to play the Nazi card. And fitting, too, since Liddy once admired Hitler..
also..
Hate to bring semantics into this, but…
Zarqawi was the leader of the Iraqi al-Qaeda spin-off, killed in 2006. Moussaoui is the one up in ADX Florence.
Just pointing out.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pmInhofe appears to believe (or at least he’s pushing that mindset) that the the violent radicalism of a minority of extremists somehow is representative of the “mentality” of the entire Middle East.
This is as absurd as assuming the American “mentality” is that of one of our crackpot extremist minorities — like Aryan skinheads.
But hey, let nothing like reason get in the way of your bigotry — right, Senator?
March 20th, 2009 at 4:46 pmLiddy is like a god to fellow conspirators.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pmRather ironic for Inhofe to make such a statement about the so-called Middle Eastern mentality, considering that up until 9/11, the most horrific terrorist attack on America was the Oklahoma City bombing, by a home grown, white, Christian, local.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pmSenator Barack Obama received a $101,332 bonus from American International Group in the form of political contributions according to Opensecrets.org. The two biggest Congressional recipients of bonuses from the A.I.G. are – Senators Chris Dodd and Senator Barack Obama.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pmIgnoratio elenchi (also known as irrelevant conclusion or irrelevant thesis) is the informal fallacy of presenting an argument that may in itself be valid, but does not address the issue in question. “Ignoratio elenchi” can be roughly translated by ignorance of refutation, that is, ignorance of what a refutation is; “elenchi” is from the Greek ???????, meaning an argument of disproof or refutation. (Some sources give by ignorance of the issues or even by ignoring the issues as a translation of ignoratio elenchi.)
March 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pmNone of you guys are getting it, there was a report I heard on CNN produced by, I believe by the Justice Dept.
That said there are possible loopholes that would allow them to go free- That is why he made that statement.
So his statement is correct, would you rather have twenty terrors running around in the US or twenty Nazi ss officers, I think the terrorist would be a lot worse. They don’t care about dying a all.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pmOOOHHHHKLahoma, where the wind blows mainly up his ass!
Dimhofe never had teh gay in his family.
Dimhofe never had teh divorce in his family.
Dimhofe never had a crime in his family.
Dimhofe never had a family…
March 20th, 2009 at 4:54 pmTo hell with Middle Eastern terrorists – *I’M* scared of Senator Inhofe!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 4:55 pmFrom Lawrence Wilkerson…former asst. Sec of State:
http://www.thewashingtonnote.com/archives/2009/03/some_truths_abo/
“Simply stated, no meaningful attempt at discrimination was made in-country by competent officials, civilian or military, as to who we were transporting to Cuba for detention and interrogation.
..several in the U.S. leadership became aware of this lack of proper vetting very early on and, thus, of the reality that many of the detainees were innocent of any substantial wrongdoing, had little intelligence value, and should be immediately released.
They were not about to admit to their …errors at Guantanamo Bay. Better to claim that everyone there was a hardcore terrorist, was of enduring intelligence value, and would return to jihad if released.
So the Bush Administration KNEW they were holding INNOCENT PEOPLE…and didn’t Care about Justice. They just wanted to avoid looking incompetent.
Well…it didn’t work.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:55 pmKevin, dear, you appear to have a very bad case of teh stupid. Kindly shut your yap.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:55 pmNo 48 – Please don’t leave out the $200,000 George Bush received for his elections, fair is fair you know. Of course that was just what was recorded.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pmFirst, Weniger, your post implies that Obama wanted to reward AIG simply because he received campaign contributions.
Second, were these contributions through PACs or collective through individual employees?
March 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pmAs I mentioned yesterday, welcome back, Leftside Annie; good to hear your voice again.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pmA Fascist plays the Nazi card????
March 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pmI think the terrorist would be a lot worse. They don’t care about dying a all.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pm—
I am not scared but you seem to be. I suppose you might be afraid of dying for a cause. So you respect that bullshit “give me liberty or give me death” they indoctrinated you with in grade school but you fear those you have beeen indoctrinated to believe really believe it?
Only 24 prisonors were serious terriosts, the 90 year old man, the 13 year old boy and the UK citizen were just swept up and held by cheney’s brownshirts.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pmYou gotta admit that watching and/or listening to these dimwits is at least entertaining in an obtuse sort of way..
You got a CONVECTED FELON and someone who deeply in his mind (assumed) believes that the calendar did not turn over when we went from 1899 to 1900 talking about something neither knows anything about! Classic….
March 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pmPlease provide your source, including language indicating that a) said loopholes exist and b) freed suspects would be able to roam about the US whenever and wherever they pleased.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pmSign me up for three Uighers…
March 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pmSecond that. We’ve missed you, Annie.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:02 pmkevin1 Says:
So his statement is correct, would you rather have twenty terrors running around in the US or twenty Nazi ss officers, I think the terrorist would be a lot worse. They don’t care about dying a all.
Again, who the hell is talking about simply releasing them into the U.S.? Absolutely, some of them don’t care about dying, but some have committed crimes unworthy of being held for years with no charges, and other provide little to no battlefield intelligence at all. The problem here is that the American taliban can’t get off painting the entire middle east with a broad brush. We’re focused on sorting out the bunch and upholding due process. How does that make America less safer? The original arrangement sure hasn’t.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:02 pmThis is off topic but I thought it was funny. Apparently last November’s “Victory in Iraq” day was a failure so the neurotic right is trying again for a VI day in June:
http://www.protroopevents.com/
And from the attempt last year:
http://zombietime.com/vi_day/
How many “Mission Accomplished” banners do they need?
March 20th, 2009 at 5:04 pmArgumentum ad baculum (Latin for argument to the cudgel or appeal to the stick), also known as appeal to force, is an argument where force, coercion, or the threat of force, is given as a justification for a conclusion. It is a specific case of the negative form of an argument to the consequences.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:04 pmIf Inhofe is serious about the ME mentality being like Nazism, maybe he should examine the behavior of our allies.
Haaretz expose: IDF testimony paints grim picture of IDF actions in Gaza
or
Dead Palestinian babies and bombed mosques, fashion IDF style 2009
March 20th, 2009 at 5:04 pmHi Trajan.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:05 pmI love Islam,
I will do that as soon as all those who have supported these wars steps up and serves in our military. Maybe you have, maybe you haven’t, but I know many who shout loudly about how dire the war is yet refuse to step up and fight. Apparently, it’s not dire enough for many of the “pro-war” fanatics to put their own lives at risk.
So, how about it? I’ll take a Gitmo detainee into my home, you and your righty-tighty buddies go fight them over there. Sound like a deal.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:08 pmLet’s see, Trajan… there are maybe 500 prisoners in Gitmo…
I’m going out on a limb here, but I think there are more than 500 progressives out there. Some of us are gonna be left out.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:09 pmCheck. And mate.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:09 pmI love Islam Says:
We should release the Gitmo prisoners. All Progressives should take one prisoner into their home.
Hell, I’d take one to my house. With the constant screw ups in the Bush administation, the one I took home probably is innocent and a world class chef too. How’s that for fair and balanced? I would not take Cheney home though. I don’t think he is house broken.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:09 pmThanks, Zim! It’s good to be back. ;o) And employed again, too. Woohoo!!
~A
March 20th, 2009 at 5:10 pmAwwww, thank you, Ralphie!!
*blushing*
March 20th, 2009 at 5:11 pmbackup Says:
Your post is just embarassing
Well, I don’t think Inhofe is comparing Middle Easterners to Nazis.
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True, he isnt comparing he is saying DIRECTLY that they are worse.
I think Inhofe is comparing releasing Nazi’s into American society vs. letting Islamic fundamentalist’s suspected of waging jihad into American society.
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Except no one is doing that NOR advocating it be done. I know that is what Rush is telling his brainless minions to think but it just stupid. Having trials for HUMAN BEINGS and deciding their guilt or innocence, which is what CIVILIZED societies DO. Is NOT realeasing them into our society. Those found innocent will still most likely be deported.
The Nazi threat came from their control of the masses to accomplish what they wanted.
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OK, lets see what your point is.
Individual Nazi’s released into society may not have presented a risk because they were impotent; their ideology was defeated.
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Again OK. How do you decide who is and who ISNT a jihadi? I am certain you arent just saying IF they are ACCUSED or IF they are Arabs they are jihadis. So will there be a point anywhere in our future?
Because of that, and possibly more access to more significant tools and information, one individual could pose a significant threat.
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One individual can ALWAYS be a significant POTENTIAL threat, still dont see a point.
The detainees deserve a trial, but Inhofe isn’t comparing Middle Easterners to Nazi’s. He’s saying that releasing these detainees poses more risk than releasing Nazi’s into American society after WWII. He was responding to Liddy’s comment.
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And saying since they were middle easterers they were worse than Nazis. Please dont tell me you think that makes any sense at all. Is there ANYWHERE in the world that has a monolithic identity. Where everyone is either good or bad or unremittingly evil? Of COURSE there isnt. So INDIVIDUALLY we decide IF THAT PERSON is a danger or not. Guilty or not. No one I know of is suggesting we just let the lot of them go and wander around Main St. America. He had no point. He was spewing bigotry and idiocy. Two of his specialities.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pmLeftside Annie Says:
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Kevin, dear, you appear to have a very bad case of teh stupid. Kindly shut your yap.
You sound so intelligent!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pmWenigerGottquatsch Says:
And another ignorant troll tries the QUICK LOOK OVER THERE tactic. Go back to your bridge troll. Your stupidity stinks up the site.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pmDumb Question – how come when a bunch of folks from Saudi Arabia blow up a building we can find hundreds of involved accomplices in Iraq and Afghanistan plus groups of sleeper cells in Germany and England
BUT, when an American blows up a building in Oklahoma City, and that person was known to be an active part in certain known insurrection groups, we can only find ONE, COUNT ‘EM ONE, accomplice ?
March 20th, 2009 at 5:16 pmWenigerGottquatsch Says:
And another ignorant troll tries the QUICK LOOK OVER THERE tactic. Go back to your bridge troll. Your stupidity stinks up the site.
When you can’t rebut, you start to insulting people!!
March 20th, 2009 at 5:16 pmEugeneDebs,
Great point. This guy has most likely never met anyone who didn’t belong to his country club.
Reminds me of my grandmother who hates black and latino people. She’s never known any personally, but having working in a county courthouse all her life she’s dealt with many who were crooks and thugs – thus shaping her opinion that they all are.
Thanks to our media, most people only know Arabs and Persians as crazed fanatics chanting in the street.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:16 pmwatch out, Joe the Plumber is horny..
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/20/joe-the-plumber-tells-conservatives-hes-horny/
I think he’s looking at you Zoey..
March 20th, 2009 at 5:17 pmkevin1 Says:
None of you guys are getting it, there was a report I heard on CNN produced by, I believe by the Justice Dept.
That said there are possible loopholes that would allow them to go free- That is why he made that statement.
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You NEVER get it. This is probably true. Loopholes like SINCE THEY WERE TORTURED WE CANT USE THE EVIDENCE. That is too bad. We should have done the right thing from the begining.
So his statement is correct, would you rather have twenty terrors running around in the US or twenty Nazi ss officers, I think the terrorist would be a lot worse. They don’t care about dying a all.
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Are there any US citizens among them? If not why would they be released to the US instead of deported? Got evidence these people are actually terrorists or does it make your cowardly heart feel better to just CALL them terrorists if you HAVE such evidence turn it over to the Justice Dept and VOILA they are convicted problem solved if you DONT then you are spewing idiocy. I guess YOU dont care about posting abject stupidity.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:17 pmKevin, you never provided that source, therefore there is nothing to rebut.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:18 pmkevin, buddy, when you post something to rebut, let us know.
Because you know what? I heard a report on Faux News that you were not to be trusted.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:19 pm> All Progressives should take one
> prisoner into their home.
Uhm, Trajan, if we liked having more people in our homes we wouldnt have all those abortions, remember? If the prisoners have any pets they cant take care of, I think us treehuggers would be more likely to want to adopt them..
March 20th, 2009 at 5:20 pmI love BeingSTUPID Says:
We should release the Gitmo prisoners. All Progressives should take one prisoner into their home.
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You should beg someone for some functional braincells. You are a brainwashed moron and you are embarassing yourself. Did you take pills to get that stupid or is it a natural gift?
March 20th, 2009 at 5:21 pmOh and Trajan, there are millions of Homeless Veterans out there…I know how much you support war and “the troops”, will you agree to bring one random homeless veteran into your house?
March 20th, 2009 at 5:22 pmI heard it on CNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 5:22 pmOh, we’re supposed to take your word for it. I see.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:23 pmI love Islam Says:
Would that be the latest directive from your Latin Kings ™?
March 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pmI love the argument that if we show any humanity toward these people they’ll see it as weakness and attack us again. As if Desert Storm followed by 10 years of harsh sanctions…
(which killed approx. 500,000 Iraqi children – thanks Clinton)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4291982770392066533
…solved the problem. Yeah, because 60 years of over-throwing secular governments, arming insurgent groups and invading various Middle Eastern nations has made us so safe.
Maybe for once we could try taking the moral high ground and build some bridges – both literally and metaphorically – instead of blowing ‘em up.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:24 pmOh, well, then.
That settles it.
By the way, I heard it on Faux News that you were not to be trusted!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pmI am just telling you where that statement comes from.
I am like you I think they are should have trials; if they are innocent deport them.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pmkevin1 Says:
When you can’t rebut, you start to insulting people!!
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I need no excuse to insult trolls and make no appology for doing so. Whenever someone comes in and posts something so COMPLETELY off topic he is trolling. I would think even YOU could see that.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pmLeftside Annie Says:
Thanks, Zim! It’s good to be back. ;o) And employed again, too. Woohoo!!
~A
Why, congrats Annie! I had a great feeling that interview would go well!
March 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pmFaux News — We Report, You Flush
March 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pmkevin doesn’t have a clear idea of sourcing his claims.
Should we give him a break and trust him?
What about that report on Faux News that said not to?
March 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pmChocolate Jesus,
I just completed a film about a homeless vet and am working on a documentary of the same topic. I’ve been spending days and nights with these guys and their stories are amazing.
My heart about stopped when one Vietnam vet told me, “I can’t get mad when people look down on us or don’t care. That’s the freedom I fought for them to have.”
The freedom to not care. Sums up so many in our nation right now.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pm?
March 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pmI love Islam Says:
We should release the Gitmo prisoners. All Progressives should take one prisoner into their home.
March 20th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
dbadass Says:
Sign me up for three Uighers…
March 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
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No fair! I already called dibs on them!
March 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pmCongratulations Leftside Annie. Good to hear it.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pmIn philosophy, the term burden of proof refers to the extent to which, or the level of rigour with which, it is necessary to establish, demonstrate or prove something for it to be accepted as true or reasonable to believe.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pmToasterhead,
Wanted to say “Thanks” for your great blog. That Oxfam link was truly eye-opening. Add that to the 2 million refugees in Turkey and Syria who’ve turned to the Mahdi Army as their only social service to get by (Since the US isn’t doing anything to help the displaced) and we’ve got years of problems ahead in our Iraq venture.
I stop by almost weekly to see the great finds you have. Keep up the great work.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:33 pmWith all the staff these repubs insisted on keeping, why aren’t they better informed ? But since they just vote as their lobbyist tells them too why bother reading like the bailout in Sept. Bush told them to sign and they did. Good little repubs.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:33 pmStupid Git Says:
Toasterhead,
Wanted to say “Thanks” for your great blog.
I stop by almost weekly to see the great finds you have. Keep up the great work.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
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Oh, man… now I feel guilty. I haven’t updated in a while – sorry. :(
March 20th, 2009 at 5:34 pmBadger, #53,
The actual number of terrorists held at Guatanamo was estimated by the International Red Cross to be a single dozen to two dozen at the most, and that the rest were innocent. The innocent, under orders from Cheney’s office were tortured and held anyway (and still are) to see if any information could be gathered from them.
What’s more scary than the real Nazis? People like Inhofe who like to play Nazi.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pmSeriously, though – I’d invite Senator Inhofe to actually visit a Middle Eastern country some time and learn for himself what the “Middle Eastern mentality” really is.
In my experience, it involves drinking a lot of tea and haggling over stuff in markets.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pmNo worries. I’m sure it’s not your main focus. But when you do post it’s always worthwhile.
March 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pmHey Kevin. Is that you, Archie?
March 20th, 2009 at 5:37 pm> I just completed a film about a homeless
> vet and am working on a documentary
> of the same topic.
Sounds interesting, keep us aprised of it. Maybe let the people at the Zoo know too, they’d probably be interested..
I spent some time several years ago, hanging out with homeless people under bridges (just to sort of get a different prospective on life and to make myself more appreciative of having a home to go back to in the morning..)
March 20th, 2009 at 5:43 pmalot of them were vets, pretty sad, I used the think the government actually did more to take care of these people but I’m pretty certain now that most of the troops are just seen as wholly disposable cannon fodder, unless your the son of the general or whatnot..I really wish more people who were thinking of joining the military could see the terribly neglectful way these people have been treated by the country they served..
Trajan..when should we be rounding up a homeless vet to send your way?
March 20th, 2009 at 5:45 pm(…crickets)
March 20th, 2009 at 5:45 pm#116, Chocolate Jesus
I would be interested in that film. Who are you responding to?
March 20th, 2009 at 5:47 pmChocolate Jesus,
Yeah, especially the Iraq War vets. Unlike the guys from Veitnam who for the most part became homeless after years of alcohol or drug problems (trying to self-medicate the psychological damage away) the Iraq guys are literally going straight from Iraq to our streets. They’ve had huge problems getting any disability pay and when they do it takes months or years. Many of these guys don’t have a family support network so they just end up sleeping on the streets. In NYC there is a shelter specifically for homeless vets that houses approx 4,000 a night. Across the nation there’s an estimated 500,000 homeless vets on any given night.
“Support Our Troops” my ass. We glamorize them as heros when they’re fighting for us then dump ‘em in the streets when we’re done.
March 20th, 2009 at 6:06 pmHere’s a link to the trailer for the film:
March 20th, 2009 at 6:08 pmhttp://www.sporkproductions.com/POURtrailer.mov
Thanks, Stupid Git. I could only hear the audio on my computer, but it was good.
Keep us posted on the film, ok? I’d love to see it.
March 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pmI love BeingSTUPID Says:
We should release the Gitmo prisoners. All Progressives should take one prisoner into their home.
Do any have experience growing weed?
I might consider it.
March 20th, 2009 at 6:17 pmCouldn’t see it? Try this link then:
March 20th, 2009 at 6:17 pmhttp://www.facebook.com/v/43555394537
I have to agree with the statement about there being a Middle Eastern mentality that is as bad or worse than Nazism, but I disagree with the idea that it’s the Moslems that have that mentality. It isn’t the Moslems who have barricaded a whole population of civilians a la Warsaw Ghetto. It isn’t the Moslems who have inflicted massive retaliation on civilian populations in collective punishment. It isn’t the Moslems that appropriate land belonging to another religious group. It isn’t the Moslems who are displacing whole communities of supposed lesser humans. It isn’t the Moslems who are requiring certain groups to carry identification papers and restrict where they can travel. Any day now I expect Lieberman and Netanyahu to come up with the “final solution to the Arab problem.”
March 20th, 2009 at 6:18 pmWill keep you posted on the film. It’s been getting some really good response so far but I’ve yet to have any public screenings. Mostly just industry folks. Hoping to get a good venue for it in front of an audience that may be able to take some action on the issue.
March 20th, 2009 at 6:19 pmAcross the nation there’s an estimated 500,000 homeless vets on any given night.
And living in Bushville tent cities, like the one in Sacramento. These guys are ripe for recruitment into hate groups and militias.
March 20th, 2009 at 6:21 pmThanks, Stupid Git. I could see it on that link. Gorgeous photography.
March 20th, 2009 at 6:23 pmWhy not?
We turned you loose in the American communities.
March 20th, 2009 at 6:40 pmStupid Git Says:
Across the nation there’s an estimated 500,000 homeless vets on any given night.
“Support Our Troops” my ass. We glamorize them as heros when they’re fighting for us then dump ‘em in the streets when we’re done.
Maybe the rightwingers should start a campaign, “House a Homeless Vet”, in order to show how much they support the troops. Because those little stupid yellow ribbons apparently aren’t getting the Vets fed or housed.
March 20th, 2009 at 6:46 pm.
Outhofe really should step down and save himself the embarrassment of an election defeat. ALL of the Middle Eastern mentality… REALLY? Even Israel’s?
Y’all know he’s just laying the groundwork for that ‘ever present’ ‘common enemy’ that Fascists need so as to exercise their ability to oppress and control other people with.
And yes, he’s also encouraging the American Taliban to wage eternal war and continue to strip and withhold basic American Principles as contained in the Constitution.
Q U E S T I O N:
Didn’t the Nazi’s think like Outhofe but instead of ‘Middle Eastern mentality’ it was the ‘Jewish mentality’?
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March 20th, 2009 at 7:13 pmwelcome back annie,
we’ve had way too much
of backup and not enough of you.
_-_
March 20th, 2009 at 7:19 pmLiddy of Watergate great criminal to talk to. Sen. Inhofe is so uneducated he doesn’t even know what the culture of the Middle East is. I see he has no problem with Dick Cheney’s assassination squad as it is likely England’s Dr. David Kelly was assassinated by the Cheney squad so Blair wouldn’t get caught in this lie. This should show the voters of OK. that their Senator is mentally disable and needs to be put away for his/our safety. Cheney used the same assassinate plan used by Prescott Bush to try and assassinate FDR yes Cheney looked deep and found the GOP assassination squad that assassinated John F. Kennedy. For the true Axis of Evil the United States only needed to go to the Bush Administration and the GOP. Evil is still alive and well in the United States Govenment which includes both Republican and Democrat.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:23 pmkevin1 Says:
None of you guys are getting it, there was a report I heard on CNN produced by, I believe by the Justice Dept.
That said there are possible loopholes that would allow them to go free- That is why he made that statement.
OK, that’s conclusive. Reckon I ought to set up the perimeter. Why are you folk so scared of a few lameo terrorists. We’ve got guns, we surround them, remember all that b. s. from last Friday? Stop freaking out!
March 20th, 2009 at 7:28 pminteresting comments from liddy.
in his autobiography “will” he had some
very nice things to say about hitler.
-_-
March 20th, 2009 at 7:33 pm.
Dear kevin1,
Hi.
Say…
… tell us why the American Justice system doesn’t work on suspected terrorists?
… Or maybe why High Security prisons aren’t secure?
… Or how releasing innocent people into society is a bad thing?
p.s.
Is a hammer a tool?
.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:38 pmInhofe is mentally deficient! When are the people of Oklahoma going to wake up and vote him out?
March 20th, 2009 at 7:44 pm>Inhofe is mentally deficient!
Have you ever been to oklahoma?
March 20th, 2009 at 7:52 pmInhofe’s generalization of Middle Easterners is wrong. His point about Middle Eastern terrorists, is probably valid. A vast majority of Middle Easterners care about dying. But, Middle Easterner terrorists use suicide bombing as a tactic.
By the end of WWII it seems that the Nazi ideology was defeated. I don’t think people believe that the idea of jihad has been defeated today.
The headline of this thread is misleading. Inhofe did not say that Middle Easterner mentality is worse than Nazism.
He is saying the situation of letting suspected jihadists from Gitmo could be worse than letting former Nazis loose in American Society.
March 20th, 2009 at 7:52 pmThe Gitmo detainees deserve trials. I think there are many detainees that do not deserve to be in prison. The U.S. should do what it can to prevent dangerous jihadists from be released. But, they need a hearing based on some evidence. And decided in court. It is not right to hold them indefinitely.
But, part of Inhofe’s comments are valid. Here is an ex-Gitmo detainee that became a suicide bomber:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/05/07/gitmo.bomber/
You can make the argument that it was his detention that caused him to become a suicide bomber, but what is more difficult to argue that there isn’t risk associated with releasing Gitmo detainees. It’s already happened.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:03 pm.
Backup,
Outhofe’s line of reasoning is what failed here…
… He’s equating Middle Eastern ‘mentality’ (philosophy, perhaps?) to Jihadists and then linking Jihadists’ to Nazi’s.
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March 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pm.
Backup,
Let’s try this example…
… Let’s keep you in a torture camp for a few years and then let you explain why you hate us. Did you do something wrong? Did we care? Should we keep you in detention longer?
Now, please explain, if we bring GUILTY TERRORISTS to America, how High Security prisons here in the USA aren’t secure?
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March 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pmIrony and projection are the two greatest hallmarks of right wing rhetoric.
At the end of WW-2, it was the same Wall Street bankers who supported the rise of Hitler’s NAZI party who smuggled the many NAZI’s out of Germany under “Operation Paperclip.”
It was the Alan and John Foster Dulles who dug Richard Nixon up from a Naval supply base in the Pacific Ocean and put him in charge of censorship over captured NAZI financial records that might implicate their Wall Street clients in what actually took place. (Wasn’t it “amazing” how that same Nixon successfully defeated a sitting California congressman two or three short years later?) And then became Vice President under President Eisenhower?
The die-hard republicans are becoming more militant in their anti-American sentiments, and this only pushes the Democratic party further to the right in order to maintain their so-called “centrist” position.
The other day I heard a “liberal” news caster talking about the political strategy being employed by the Iranian Arabs. To many people it’s as if living in “that area” of the world makes you an Arab. Iranians are Persians; and Iraqi’s are Assyrians. Arabs are found in North Africa and throughout the “Arabian peninsula.” But the right wing idiots insist on conflating the idea that “they’re all Arabs” and that “they have a unified political strategy.
The primary political motivation that remains constant throughout the Middle East and the Arab speaking world is that the People who live there want the U.S. and the other Western/European nations to clear out and take their CIA political intrigues with them. This is the key to defusing terrorism based in anti-Western idealism. This is the information the right-wing sound machine attempts to drown out with its stupid battle cry of “Islamo-fascism.”
So, they say “follow the money.” Where’s the money to be found in the Middle East? Oil reserves , and that leads you to oil companies and oil executives and investment bankers who speculate on how far up they can drive the price to maximize their profits.
Bring in the solar power plants if you want to see the urgency of protecting the “people” in the Middle East evaporate overnight. But it’s unlikely there will be any technological breakthroughs in that area until the oil wells truly start running themselves dry.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:12 pmMax-1
I probably agree with you. Inhofe’s generalization of Middle Easterners is wrong.
The headline of this thread is misleading.
Although we should try the Gitmo detainees and release those that we do not have enough evidence to hold, releasing those detainees entails some risk.
I believe the risk is worth it, because it’s the right thing to do, but it is still risk.
It is risk, because it is probable that we will be releasing some people, not because they aren’t a threat, but because we lack evidence.
If those people are jihadists, it is likely they will continue jihad.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:23 pmStupid Git, good luck with your film. And Stupid Git, what a great moniker, Stupid git. I love it and have used it in the past for, well, stupid gits. I’m happy to have a better image in my head for ’stupid git’!
March 20th, 2009 at 8:24 pmINHOFE, you are worse then bin ladin.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:26 pmI don’t know how dangerous Arab jihadists are. And I don’t know very much about the mental state many of the new crop of Veterans we’ve been raising is suffering with. My experience comes from sharing the experiences of the crop of Veterans our nation cultivated during the 1960’s-70’s, because I was one of those who won the “lottery” and was told to either show up to be inducted into the military against my will, or go to jail for failing to “do my duty.”
Based on the effects of serving as canon fodder in a machine charged with waging useless, wasteful, non-essential warfare had upon the Vietnam era Veterans, I’d say America had better stop spending so much time worrying about Arab terrorists, and start taking care to care for the Veterans who are returning state-side and being released into the civilian population. No jobs, PTSD, waking up to the reality of the lies that put them into the hell holes they lived through, the hell holes that took their buddies’ lives.
The Vietnam Vets did most of their fighting out in a jungle somewhere in the middle of nowhere. The Middle East Vets were largely doing urban combat in population centers. You go figure it out. I served my time.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:34 pmRobert M: The primary political motivation that remains constant throughout the Middle East and the Arab speaking world is that the People who live there want the U.S. and the other Western/European nations to clear out and take their CIA political intrigues with them.
Yeah, I think that’s about it. The American cars and the air-conditioning were great, but for instance establishing a fake leader like the Shah Reza Pahlavi of Iran who then ran SAVAK with the tacit approval of the US as long as they ‘bought’ F-14’s and kept the oil spigots open for the US, well the locals weren;t so keen on that.
March 20th, 2009 at 8:54 pmIn fact locals anywhere aren’t keen on their leaders being hypocrites and robbing the commonwealth for personal gain, as say the Saudi Royal Family does—I’ve lost track of which weapons manufacturerers have bribed them for contracts, and how many billions those bribes have amounted to over the years.
And then lets not forget Israel–which is in the Middle East, and yet somehow exempt from the “Middle Eastern mentality”, whose military is massively subsidized by the US, in recompense for which the US gets ummm…spied upon, its personnel killed in defending Israel, for which the US then has to turn Israel’s neighbors into client states with similar bribes and subsidies paid by the Us tax-payer just so the US can anchor itself to the most contentious patch of real estate in the world and pretend to give a shit about ‘world peace’ and still fail to do anything concrete about it.
backup Says:
But, part of Inhofe’s comments are valid. Here is an ex-Gitmo detainee that became a suicide bomber:
http://www.cnn.com/ 2008/ WORLD/ meast/ 05/ 07/ gitmo.bomber/
You can make the argument that it was his detention that caused him to become a suicide bomber, but what is more difficult to argue that there isn’t risk associated with releasing Gitmo detainees. It’s already happened.
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NO you are still missing the point. He has NO point. He is saying that some vague and inane middle east mentality is worse than being a Nazi. Sometimes we cant prove a murderer comitted a crime and he gets off and kills again. No system of justice can exist without some measures of injustice that is axiomatic. IT ISNT AN ARGUMENT FOR SCRAPPING THE SYSTEM OF JUSTICE. There is risk in crossing the street. There is risk in keeping them without trial. Risk is part of LIFE. That statement is simply NOT an argument for anything. His CALLING them terrorists though not only has that NOT been established but even the PENTAGON isnt claiming they are all terrorists shows what he is doing. Blatant hyperbole to make it doing what is RIGHT like it is being stupid and reckless. THERE WAS NO VALID POINT.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:21 pmGreat post 5th Estate and EugeneDebs!
March 20th, 2009 at 9:46 pmInhofe: The ‘Middle Eastern mentality’ is ‘worse’ than Nazism.
I have to be honest, this idea has crossed my mind. Inhofe has let a fleeting thought be at the center of his view of an entire region shows how limited his knowledge of world cultures is, let alone his ability to deal with anything more complicated than a scrabble game. This type of thinking gave us the war on terror, the patriot act ect, ect, ect. I am tired of scare tactics instead of commem sense policies.
March 20th, 2009 at 9:51 pmI probably agree with you. Inhofe’s generalization of Middle Easterners is wrong.
The headline of this thread is misleading.
Although we should try the Gitmo detainees and release those that we do not have enough evidence to hold, releasing those detainees entails some risk.
I believe the risk is worth it, because it’s the right thing to do, but it is still risk.
It is risk, because it is probable that we will be releasing some people, not because they aren’t a threat, but because we lack evidence.
If those people are jihadists, it is likely they will continue jihad.
O god not this BS again B-cup
March 20th, 2009 at 10:18 pmbackup says:
If those people are jihadists, it is likely they will continue jihad.
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And IF they are aliens from Zeta Reticuli they MIGHT chop you up, ship you to their home world and sell you by the pound for taco meat. You didnt really think that made some point did you?
March 20th, 2009 at 10:29 pmgene,
what backup needs to do is crap in his hat
and pull it down over his ears.
*
backup; chief cook and bottle washer of
the think tank in his mom’s basement.
:|
sit tight. he’ll get back to you.
:(
March 20th, 2009 at 10:45 pmEugeneDebs. Do you believe that the detainees at Gitmo were innocent bystanders that were picked up because the U.S. hates brown people?
Some are probably innocent, but I go under the assumption that most are being detained because they posed a security threat.
Do you have information that leads you to believe that most of the detainees were picked up for no reason?
March 20th, 2009 at 11:05 pmThat’s incorrect. Here’s his quote:
He’s wrong to generalize Middle Easterner people. But, he’s clearly talking about Gitmo detainees. He is not talking about the average Middle Easterner. He is talking about the detainees at Gitmo, that he believes are Islamic Extremist jihadists.
Progressive mission accomplished if you have taken the bait that Inhofe said that Middle Easterners are worse than Nazi’s.
The only problem is, that’s not what he said.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:22 pmFix Do you believe that the detainees at Gitmo were innocent bystanders that were picked up because the Bush and the GOP hates brown people?
Do you have information that leads you to believe that most of the detainees were picked up for no reason?
Show me of list of things the Bush Administration said that is true and then I’ll show you a list of what he said that isn’t true.
Other then that these people should be put to trial and if they were innocent they’ll be free if they’re guilty they’ll be in prison and justice will be served for once.
Some are probably innocent, but I go under the assumption that most are being detained because they posed a security threat.
You believe what Bush tells you we don’t it’s that simple.
heck I believe
Most are probably innocent, And I go under the assumption that some are being detained because they posed a security threat.
It doesn’t matter what ether of us believes they still have to prove it in court.
But other then that what was your point?
March 20th, 2009 at 11:37 pmHi Rebecca
March 20th, 2009 at 11:46 pmBig brush little canvas?
Rebecca Lobo Says:
EugeneDebs. Do you believe that the detainees at Gitmo were innocent bystanders that were picked up because the U.S. hates brown people?
That’s exactly what all of the Obama followers believe.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
I’m gonna need to see some proof of that, Becky Loon.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:50 pmDo you have information that leads you to believe that most of the detainees were picked up for no reason?
If you’ll read the article in the link (which is why it’s there, to give you more information than TP provides here), you’ll learn that many of the people held were held just to get strategic information about the Afghani towns and villages, not because they were terrorists.
March 20th, 2009 at 11:57 pmHi Zooey
Does Rebecaa do proof?
Hi Ms. Lobo
March 20th, 2009 at 11:58 pmDo you do proof?
EugeneDebs. Do you believe that the detainees at Gitmo were innocent bystanders that were picked up because the U.S. hates brown people?
That’s exactly what all of the Obama followers believe.
Only an ignorant racist would assume that everyone else is an ignorant racist. They don’t know how else to think. They think that the bigoted things they believe about people different than themselves are factually accurate, and acceptable as a foundation for a belief system.
They follow closely the advice of Glenn Beck. “Believe in something, even if it’s wrong! You have to believe in something.”
March 21st, 2009 at 12:02 amRebecca Lobo,
What was your point? I was responding to backup’s question about whether or not detainees were picked up “for no reason”. Suspicion alone, especially suspicion based on bigotry, is not evidence of wrong-doing. However, as Col Wilkerson says, they knew early on that most of these guys were not terrorists, and that the only reason they held them was to get strategic information unrelated to terrorism.
So what are you accusing me of believing? Because I’m not really following you, with your cryptic comments alluding to something nebulous and, probably, nefarious to boot.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:07 amRebecca #164 makes no sense as you did not post anything at that time. AI think folks asked you for some proof. Now you and I both realize that the task you have been assigned is totally impossible as your initial statement is absurd from the get go in its scope so why don’t we quit f ucking around with idiotic generalizations that have no basis in reality and have a nice discussion about a specific topic and specific data?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:11 amAnything else?
Anything else what?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:14 amIs Rebecca avoiding me? Why Rebecca? Do I frighten you?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:14 amRebecca 164 has nothing to do with you. I am asking you to engage in thoughtful dialogue of your own creation…Can you do that or are you one of those broad brushers that just says things to try to get a rise from thinking people?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:16 am164 makes perfect sense if you can read.
No, it doesn’t. You are trying to insinuate something about me, and I want you to just come out and say it.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:17 amdbadass Says:
Hi Zooey
Does Rebecaa do proof?
March 20th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Obviously not.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:21 amRebecca Lobo Says:
See- March 20th, 2009 at 11:57 pm.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:02 am
I’ve gotta call bullshit AGAIN.
Wayne’s comment has nothing to do with what “all of the Obama followers believe.”
Prove it, Becky Loon.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:24 amDo your own work, Becky Loon.
Spit it out, chickenshit.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:27 amRebecca Lobo Says:
Do you disagree with Wayne?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:27 am
See #177.
Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit. Home-schooled?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:28 amRebecca
March 21st, 2009 at 12:32 amCan I trouble you to tell me how you felt about Reagan’s support of terrorism or were you too young to understand? I think we could have a nice discussion don’t you?
See “attack messenger” analogy on other thread.
See departure from reality on this thread.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:33 amRebecca Lobo Says:
You are trying to insinuate something about me,
And that is?
Apparently you didn’t read the part where I said “and I want you to just come out and say it.”
Now, would you mind coming out and saying whatever it is you are saying about me, please?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:35 amzoo,
backup has a girlfriend.
meet lobo.
(spanish for “wolf”)
:|
March 21st, 2009 at 12:36 amRebecca
March 21st, 2009 at 12:38 amDo you like artichokes? For real do you?
Rebecca Lobo Says:
See “attack messenger” analogy on other thread.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:32 am
No no, Becky Loon. There’s no whining in trolling.
Well, there is — a lot. But there shouldn’t be. Maybe you could start a trend.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:39 amTo be a messenger, I think you have to have a message.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:39 amMs. Lobo might you share your message with me?
joe,
Poor backup.
He’ll never have the deep meaningful love we have.
Heh.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:40 amGod help us, they might breed…
March 21st, 2009 at 12:41 amHi, SKdeA. How are ya?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:41 amRebecca
Would it help if I got you started? You could…
A) Say that you are mortified that Reagan supported terroristss or…
B) Say that you thought Reagan’s support of terrorism was a swell idea or…
C) Say you do not think Reagan supported terrorists or
D) Say I was too young and/or uninformed to be able to make an informed decisions.
See dialogue is really easier when that is what you are really looking for. Is it possible you are looking for something else?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:47 amhi Wayne! I am OK, poor but alive and well!
Kind of enjoying this completely clueless Troll du Jour…
March 21st, 2009 at 12:48 amdbadass,
In all fairness, and because we <em.are supposed to be the ones who prefer honest debate, let’s admit to RL that it was Jimmy carter’s NSA, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who came up with the idea of giving the Soviet Union their own Vietnam in Afghanistan by helping out the mujaheddin rebels. Our support to them was modest under Carter. When Reagan took over, he and his “people” (the jury’s still out on whether or not they were all human) totally ran with the idea, for they saw it as another way to defeat “the Evil Empire.” But it was Reagan’s CIA that trained Usama bin Laden.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:53 amWayne
March 21st, 2009 at 12:53 amI agree but I was talking about the Contras
Am I moving too quickly for you Rebecca? I can read the comments aloud if it would help you…
March 21st, 2009 at 12:53 amRebecca Lobo Says:
Wayne A. Schneider Says
You think I am trying to insinuate something about you, but, you don’t know what it is?
Are you this slow at traffic lights? You keep quoting my comments, as if they were proof of some point you appeared to be making. Is the problem that you do not understand what the word “insinuate” means?
March 21st, 2009 at 12:53 amdbadass,
Good point. Reagan didn’t play favorites with the terrorists he supported. Some of them, like John Negroponte, had jobs in his administration.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:55 amEugeneDebs. Do you believe that the detainees at Gitmo were innocent bystanders that were picked up because the U.S. hates brown people?
That’s exactly what all of the Obama followers believe.
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YOU are a moron. YOU dont get to tell us what WE believe. YOU dont have amazing mind reading powers you are just so stupid you THINK you do. I Know EXACTLY where the detainees came from I can READ. Some were picked up on the battlefield. MANY about 70% were SOLD TO US by the Warlords in Afghanistan who were paid a bounty for them. When the military tribunal let the last guy go just a month or so ago they were SHOCKED that there was NO evidence against him other than the SAY SO of a couple of these warlords. You do remember the Uigers RIGHT? YEARS AGO. The Pentagon SAID they were non combatants who just got swept up because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. Some of these guys are almost certainly really bad. Almost certainly many of them are NOT. So we have an obligation to do the work and SEPERATE THEM OUT WITH TRIALS you ignorant brainwashed moron. Lock up the ones we can SHOW have done bad things and do what CIVILIZED COUNTRIES DO. SHOW they are criminals if we are going to TREAT them as criminals. My GOD you are stupid.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:46 amRebecca Lobo,
Next time, try not to be such a coward and just say what you think about me, instead of hiding behind more vague comments.
As trolls go, you’re not very good. As far as intelligent conservatives worthy of intellectual discussion go, you are hopelessly inadequate. Try sticking to the ultra-right-wing sites, where intelligent comments are frowned upon. You’d be a hero there.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:48 ambackup Says:
EugeneDebs. Do you believe that the detainees at Gitmo were innocent bystanders that were picked up because the U.S. hates brown people?
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Ok THAT was stupid and rude.
Some are probably innocent, but I go under the assumption that most are being detained because they posed a security threat.
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See I dont LIKE to assume things so I actually READ ABOUT IT. We BOUGHT most of them
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/detainees/story/38773.html
The majority of the detainees taken to Guantanamo came into U.S. custody indirectly, from Afghan troops, warlords, mercenaries and Pakistani police who often were paid cash by the number and alleged importance of the men they handed over. Foot soldiers brought in hundreds of dollars, but commanders were worth thousands. Because of the bounties — advertised in fliers that U.S. planes dropped all over Afghanistan in late 2001 — there was financial incentive for locals to lie about the detainees’ backgrounds. Only 33 percent of the former detainees — 22 out of 66 — whom McClatchy interviewed were detained initially by U.S. forces.
Do you have information that leads you to believe that most of the detainees were picked up for no reason?
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I have the information WIDLY AVAILABLE that we arent sure because we paid a bounty for the to the Afghani Warlords who havent EVER been that credible. Information that ANYONE marginally informed knew about long ago. So we dont KNOW if they were picked up for any GOOD reason the article I cited said that some of them were turned over for not only the bounty but to settle old grudges. If ALL we have is their word for it that isnt ENOUGH reason.
March 21st, 2009 at 1:55 amWayne A. Schneider Says:
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dbadass,
In all fairness, and because we <em.are supposed to be the ones who prefer honest debate, let’s admit to RL that it was Jimmy carter’s NSA, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who came up with the idea of giving the Soviet Union their own Vietnam in Afghanistan by helping out the mujaheddin rebels. Our support to them was modest under Carter. When Reagan took over, he and his “people” (the jury’s still out on whether or not they were all human) totally ran with the idea, for they saw it as another way to defeat “the Evil Empire.” But it was Reagan’s CIA that trained Usama bin Laden.
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Absolutly true. In fact the first appropriation for the Muhajadeen was passed six months BEFORE the Soviets invaded Afghanistan. The major training for counterterrorism, which is remarkably similar to terrorism training did come under Reagan.
March 21st, 2009 at 2:07 am201
I mistyped that I mean that about 70% were either just swept up in sweeps or sold to us by warlords.
March 21st, 2009 at 2:12 amRebecca Lobo Says:
A sure sign of victory!
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A sure sign of a REALLY stupid troll. A victory dance after having half the liberals here mop the floor with the moron.
March 21st, 2009 at 2:27 amYou are stupid Becca just how much to you enjoy embarassing yourself?
March 21st, 2009 at 2:28 amMs. Lobo, I’ll bet you are pretty bummed out that a Muslim with a head covering (Bilqis Abdul-Qaadir) broke your state high school scoring record. Probably also bums you that women athletes have had to fight conservative attitudes for the last one thousand years.
Senator Jim, did you know that the Pope used to be a Nazi soldier? Maybe we should keep him in prison forever, too.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:12 amZooey. Sorry I missed you last night – (stupid sleep).
Of course I could never have the kind of love with you that you share with joe. I’m not your brother.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:53 amWayne A. Schneider. your point about Wilkerson is strong.
It is one man’s opinion, but his former position makes him credible.
If his assessment is correct, it weakens the argument that many of the detainees are dangerous.
If the determination the detainees are mostly not jihadists were easy, I don’t think it would take the Obama administration a year to close Gitmo or at least try and release those that were wrongly detained.
Regardless of this point. I believe all the detainees deserve a trial. We cannot hold them indefinitely without trial. Many are probably innocent.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:12 amchat:
do I really have to cut and paste my comment from the thread above? Come on chat this link is sketchy at best and it just screams messed up overseas porn
Oh and back up, I am not sure if Zooey has a brother. Maybe you should ask unless you were just trying to be jerkish toward her
March 21st, 2009 at 10:13 amdbadass. to explain the joke, means there is no joke. But, you’re cool, so I’ll do it anyway. I don’t know if Zooey has a brother, I’m insinuating that her and joe are siblings and their love relationship is incestuous. It’s good natured. They can take it.
Zooey is a big girl. I’m sure she appreciates the chivalry (I think that is cool about you), but with it is the implication that she needs a man to defend her. I don’t think she does.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:18 pmRebecca. I think the Iranian leadership is obviously waiting to see more than just words. Especially in light of Obama recently extending the sanctions against Iran, because many people believe they are trying to build nukes.
Obama is trying a new approach. It could backfire, but it’s what Obama promised and what the America people wanted. If it doesn’t work on the leadership, maybe it will work with the Iranian people.
I support him and hope the new approach works.
March 21st, 2009 at 12:51 pmforgot the link:
http://www.politonomist.com/obama-sanctions-for-iran-001734/
March 21st, 2009 at 12:53 pmbackup Says:
… sanctions against Iran, because many people believe they are trying to build nukes.
Gee, sounds like a bad move by the W administration to destroy Valerie Plame’s group working on non-proliferation in Iran.
BTW, Israel has hundreds of nukes. There is no “many people believe” about it.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:31 pmSince President Obama took office, Sen. Jim Inhofe (R-OK) has emerged as one of the leading congressional voices opposing the closure of Guantanamo Bay.
Fair enough. Have any of you considered what actually happens when you close the Potemkin Village that is Guantanamo?
You’ve got several dozen prisons where detainees are held. Gitmo is the one where the prisoners aren’t beaten to death. It’s the one where the least amount of abuses have occurred. It’s the one where all the prisoners names are disclosed rather than all of them being held in secret. It’s the one where prisoners have contact with outsiders, rather than this being a complete impossibility. It’s the one where very few of the detainees are held, rather than the other prisons where most of them are.
Why would you want to close that? Or more to the point, don’t you think you ought to run at least 1 story on Bagram before doing so? After all, that’s what you’re left with when you do.
Donald Rumsfeld once said that the problem with the Abu Ghraib scandal was soldiers will cellphones. He was saying that the publicity was the problem.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:49 pmHere, you’re talking about shutting the 1 prison that no politician has a problem visiting in publicised press trips and the Pentagon is happy to show them around.
After you shut it, how is Rumsfeld’s problem not solved?
Well, you can hold them indefinitely without trial according to the Obama administration’s assertions of power to do precisely that.
Notably, the “change” that we’ve seen on that front is that whereas Bush claimed the President has the power to do this because he is president, Obama claims that the Iraq Resolution gave him this power.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:56 pmA legal claim so flawed that makes Yoo look like the smart guy in the room.
No, Jimmy Carter personally trained bin Laden.
These two claims have the exact same amount of supporting evidence. None.
They are also contradicted by the exact same amount of concurring sources from those involved. Everyone.
The only people who believe this nonsense are those who are too lazy, ignorant or stupid to pick up any of the thoroughly researched and concurring books on his history and actually inform themselves before repeating complete and utter crap they read from some whackjob on the intertubes.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:03 pmVote this sad excuse for a human being, Inhofe, out.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:17 pmWOW…..way to generalize and implicate a whole entire culture and section of the world in one sentence as terrorists. This man is a meathead…no wait….MEATHEAD.
March 24th, 2009 at 3:55 am