Israeli President Contradicts Obama’s Message To Iran, Urges Iranians To ‘Topple’ Their Government
Israeli President Contradicts Obama’s Message To Iran, Urges Iranians To ‘Topple’ Their Government
On Thursday night, President Obama sent “a special message to the people and government of Iran” on Nowruz, the start of the Persian New Year, an act that has been described as “groundbreaking.” Speaking directly to Iran’s “leaders,” Obama acknowledged “serious differences” but said the U.S. is seeking “engagement that is honest and grounded in mutual respect.”
But more importantly and perhaps somewhat overlooked, Obama indicated that he is willing “to deal with the current government” and that his goal is not regime change. He referred to Iran as the “Islamic Republic of Iran” twice in the message and stated specifically that it has the “right” to exist:
In particular, I would like to speak directly to the people and leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran. [...] The United States wants the Islamic Republic of Iran to take its rightful place in the community of nations. You have that right — but it comes with real responsibilities.
Israeli President Shimon Peres also delivered a “special message” to Iran on Nowruz, but “was addressed specifically to Iran’s people and not their government, reprising the tone of [former President] Bush.” And Peres explicitly contradicted Obama and called on the Iranian people to overthrow their government:
“[I suggest] you don’t listen to [Iranian President Mahmoud] Ahmadinejad, it is impossible to preserve a whole nation on incitement and hatred, the people will become tired of it. [...] I think that the Iranian people will topple these leaders…these leaders who don’t serve the people, in the end the people will realize that.”
The New York Times reports today that “experts” and European diplomats “applauded” Obama’s message “but expressed dismay” that Peres followed with his strictly to the Iranian people. “This is a real shame because the key effect should be Obama, and this dilutes from that,” one unnamed European official said.
Moreover, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs said yesterday that both messages were not part of a coordinated plan and that the White House notified “allies” (presumably including Israel) of what Obama planned to do. But when asked if the Israelis had done the same, Gibbs suggested they had not. “I’d have to check,” he said.
MJ Rosenberg at the Israel Policy Forum writes that Peres’s goal may have been to “intentially undermine” Obama and that the Iranians might not view the conflicting messages as just a coincidence. “They would see America and Israel playing ‘good cop, bad cop,’ diminishing the effect of Obama’s remarkable overture,” he said.
Indeed, the super hawks over at the Weekly Standard picked up on the contradiction as well saying that Peres taught Obama “a thing or two,” adding, “Now that’s how a president should be speaking to the prisoners of the Mullahcracy.”
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let me save the trolls their effort:
by calling for a revolution in iran, israel is asserting their right to defend themselves.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:25 pmMost likely, dialogue with the Iranian government at this time may interfere or complicate Israeli plans to strike Iranian “nuclear” targets therefor drawing the US into another war in the ME when the US will have to protect Israel from Iranian retaliation. Peres’ message will just piss off Iranian leadership and prevent any dialogue between the US and Iran.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:35 pmGeez… this sort of comment on Peres’ part is SOOOOOOO helpful right now, huh?
March 21st, 2009 at 4:43 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
by calling for a revolution in iran, israel is asserting their right to defend themselves.
Amen: Topple the Zionists.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:46 pmIsrael is not a friend of the US. They would screw us in a heartbeat to save their little, special, pile of sand in the ME.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:50 pmIsrael is living on borrowed time, especially since her greatest ally is financially wounded and going down the tubes.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:51 pmat the risk of sounding radical, anti-Israeli or whatever, if someone would drop something on Jerusalem (including an asteroid) I would not shed a single tear. Except for the people who were living there at the time.
I am so very damned tired of fighting over a piece of real estate that only has religious value.
March 21st, 2009 at 4:59 pm.
Let me guess…
… Israel is exercising some of that “Middle Eastern mentality”, NO?
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March 21st, 2009 at 4:59 pmHe’s an idiot. He’s going to push the Iranians to embrace the current gov’t. Maybe that’s his goal.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:03 pmIf Israel’s elected leaders are so hell bent on refuting the United State’s elected leader, let them stand on their own. Starting now.
PEACE
March 21st, 2009 at 5:04 pmIsrael proves once again they will talk to & negotiate with no one. No wonder they loved Cheney. Israel’s hatred of so many countries does nothing to promote peace in the world. They should be ashamed, particularly given their history.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:04 pmAlso, We the People are more than happy to ship Bush and Cheney, and any of their neocon friends who want to go, over the Israel right now to help them with their threats to Iran and the rest of the Middle East.
PEACE
March 21st, 2009 at 5:06 pmI don’t want our country playing any kind of a “cop” with Israel. I want us to hold Israel to the same standards we hold the Palestinians to. I have to say that thus far I am very disappointed in President Obama’s position on Israel.
People keep referring to them as our “good ally”. Well, can someone tell me what Israel has ever done for this country? It seems to me like this so called “friendship” is pretty much a one way street. Israel didn’t even become part of Bush’s “coalition of the willing”.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:06 pmNat Says:
He’s an idiot. He’s going to push the Iranians to embrace the current gov’t. Maybe that’s his goal.
Of course that’s his goal. He’s just itching to get into a fight with Iran. He thinks that Israel can bomb or invade Iran on the pretense that they are close to having a nuclear weapon (using the Bush Doctrine as their model), and then when Iran fights back, Israel will scream for us to come defend them. And the sad thing is that Obama would probably do just that.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:07 pmRebecca Lobo Says:
On Thursday night, President Obama sent “a special message” in an attempt to wipe the disasters and shortcomings of his administration off the front page…….
And what “disastrous shortcomings” would that be Becky?
March 21st, 2009 at 5:09 pmHi Rebecca
March 21st, 2009 at 5:09 pmI warned you it would end this way. Can we have a nice talk this time or are you here for different reasons?
excuse me…”disasters and shortcomings”.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:09 pmdbadass Says:
Hi Rebecca
I warned you it would end this way. Can we have a nice talk this time or are you here for different reasons?
It’s here to piss on the floor, once again, by throwing out lame one liners with no substance or fact to back them up.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:10 pmBy Becky Loco’s “logic”, she’s willingly admitting that Bush invaded Iraq to wipe the disasters and shortcomings of his administration off the front page
Funny dat.
PEACE
March 21st, 2009 at 5:14 pmI’ve had 4 fingers in Rebecca…
March 21st, 2009 at 5:14 pmSo now Isreal is out to undermind US policy..What kind of friends do that?
But anything is OK if Israel does it.
Attack our ship..That’s ok..we forgive you.
Spy on us..that’s ok Israel, We forgive you.
Steal weapons tecnology..It’s ok..we forgive you.
Attack UN instalations..No problem Israel..We forgive you.
Use phosphorus bombs in Gaza..must be an oversite..We forgive you.
Best friends indeed.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:15 pmWith allies like these . . .
Israel is NO friend of the U.S. They are friends of warmongering neocons but not the united States.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:16 pmRebecca, why won’t you accept dbadass’s offer to chat. If artichokes are a little outside of your realm of experience, may I suggest you pick a topic and try to have a conversation with him?
You look silly ignoring him, and it has cost you your credibility. I am sure you are capable of having a civil conversation on virtually any topic, but you have to put aside your script.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:24 pm.
Dear Rebecca Lobo,
What does Geithner have to do with Peres?
OT much?
Or do you prefer thrill of being the shill?
BTW,
Who’s Geitner?
.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:24 pmLet’s f uck Rebecca!!!!
March 21st, 2009 at 5:26 pmShe’s ready for me…
March 21st, 2009 at 5:27 pmLevi the Oracle Says:
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Rebecca, why won’t you accept dbadass’s offer to chat.
That old saying “all bark and no bite” comes to mind.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:28 pmdb,
March 21st, 2009 at 5:29 pmIs it correct you like ‘em old and worn out?
I like them all
March 21st, 2009 at 5:33 pmhi, backseat becky.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:34 pmi am sure the REAL rebecca lobo, the one who was a star of the uconn women’s baketball team, played for the wnba and is now an announcer on espn probably would not feel imitation is the sincerest form of flattery from a POS like you.
“Let’s f uck Rebecca!!!!”
db,
March 21st, 2009 at 5:34 pmI’m afraid that I might catch something fatal if I do that!
Rebecca, its only uncomfortable for virgins.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:36 pmMany of us Americans grow weary of Israel’s actions in the Middle East.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:42 pmIf they lose our friendship/protection/money, they will be annihilated. And still they spy on us, etc…
Hi, “Rebecca”.
Care to expound on your comment from ysterday on thsi very subject?
You said:
Several of us questioned you on exactly what you meant by “appeasement” and also by “backfiring”. You never responded. Probably too much going on. I understand.
Care to enlighten us now? We don’t have to even involve dbadass if that’s what’s worrying you.
Thanks.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:45 pm#5, They already have.
These comments by Peres make clear who wants to foment violence and instability in that part of the world.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:45 pmLets try a scenario or two. The US topples because of right wing crap and can no longer send megabucks and military aid to Israel.
Israel has nuclear weapons.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:48 pmBetter run and hide, Rebecca.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:50 pmAnnie B. Says:
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Many of us Americans grow weary of Israel’s actions in the Middle East.
If they lose our friendship/protection/money, they will be annihilated. And still they spy on us, etc…
And this guy was a loyal Bushie.
The reader should also note that Richard Perle was purportedly investigated in the 1980s for possible ties to the Israeli espionage case involving Jonathan Jay Pollard via an FBI summary of a 1970 wiretap which some say recorded Perle discussing classified information with someone inside the Israeli embassy.
He came under fire again in 1983 when newspapers reported he received substantial payments to represent the interests of an Israeli weapons company. Perle denied this was a conflict of interest, insisting that although he received payment for these services after he had assumed his position in the Defense Department, he was between government jobs when he worked for the Israeli firm.
Nice guys those Bush neo-cons.
http://www.americanpolitics.com/20030327Koop.html
March 21st, 2009 at 5:51 pmPeres must mean Cheney in Hebrew. Loathsome people like him imperil the lives of us all.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:52 pm“Rebecca”, was post #40 your own work?
Because it looks an awful lot like a cut-and-paste of someone else’s post, but it’s under your name.
It’s fine to appropriate others’ work as part of your argument, but around here it’s considered good form to identify the source when a passage is lifted from someone else. A link goes a long way to build credibility, too.
It’s really not hard to do, and it demonstrates that the commenter is operating in good faith and with full disclosure.
Otherwise it kinda looks like you’re plagiarizing.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:53 pmTry it next time, okay?
The Olbermann-obsessed troll only chose Rebecca Lobo as his handle because the object of his obsession once briefly dated Ms. Lobo, and he desperately wishes Keith would date him, too.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:53 pmI never cared for olives much myself. Especially when offered by someone who beat the crap out of my neighbor.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:53 pmThere ya go, “Rebecca’! I knew you could provide a linky-poo.
Doesn’t prove very much, especially without any kind of explanation, but it shows that you can master the mechanics of the process.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:54 pmRebecca Lobo Says:
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Iran Rejects Olive Branch
I suppose this makes you happy..I bet that if Obama said that he was pro life these wingnuts would argue for pro choice.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:56 pmut oh, Ralph. looks like Rebecca likes ungulates.
Silly girl.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:56 pmEwww. That is soooo creepy.
But fits the troll’s pathology to a “T”.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:57 pmExactly! That’s what we’re all saying, dude, you’re obsessed.
March 21st, 2009 at 5:59 pmI noticed the italics, “Rebecca”. But you get my point about a lack of attribution, right?
The passage appears under your screen name, with no other identifying feature. It looks an awful lot like plagiarism. Of course, maybe you’re just embarrassed about your source?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:00 pmTo get back to the post, Israel exists because of US support. Without US money and military aid they would be in the same boat as Botswana or Guiana.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:00 pmThat was a lot of effort, “Rebecca” for no payoff.
What did you mean by “appeasement”?
What did you mean by “backfiring”?
Thanks.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:02 pmOther than Iran is Iran and Israel is Israel? And if the US disappeared tomorrow Iran would still be Iran and Israel would be very scared?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:03 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Doesn’t prove very much, especially without any kind of explanation,
It only proves my point..righties say:
March 21st, 2009 at 6:04 pmObama bad..Anti Obama good.
Breaking News:
Iran accepts olive loaf.
-GSD
March 21st, 2009 at 6:05 pmDon’t you love how our trusted government officials and corporate leaders have sunk this country into a financial quagmire, but we still somehow have billions to send to Israel every year in “aid”?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:06 pmDon’t those usually have pork in them?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:06 pmEvery waking moment? Are you kidding? It only takes a few seconds to type your latest lie into google and come back with the truth. Then I smack you with the truth, and it’s funny, man, it’s a total scream.
So how many hours have you logged on your Olberman-hating support group?
Has it been weeks of your life now?
Months?
Years?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:06 pmHoodathunk Says:
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Other than Iran is Iran and Israel is Israel? And if the US disappeared tomorrow Iran would still be Iran and Israel would be very scared?
That’s right..it’s hard to bully your neighbors without US support..Infact..you might get your ass kicked without it.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:08 pmNice try, Rebecca but your lobo is showing.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:08 pmUm, no… it’s more like “I asked you a couple of direct questions, and in response you copied-and-pasted a couple of comments and a link that answer neither direct question”.
It’s more like that.
Okay, let’s take it slowly:
First — what did you mean when you described the President’s video as “appeasement”?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:08 pmAt least we know one thing: The Israeli Lobby does not control Obama’s White House! They were running Bush’s administration.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:09 pmThe Israeli’s own the House of Bush so they’re contradicting Obama to give the appearance that Cowboy Bush’s foreign policy is still in effect. Nothing could be further from the truth.
Now once we stop providing arms and moola to the Israeli’s then we’ll see just how depending they are on us.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:11 pmRebecca, Israel knows damn well they can’t exist without US support. Since the Republicans have torpedoed the US, Israel is scared stiff they will fall.
Say buh bye.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:11 pmMs. Lobo(tomy): Appeasement? Nice try, whacko! Nice try!
March 21st, 2009 at 6:12 pmIt’s such a breath of fresh air to see a president who is not a “war monger” who, instead, makes every effort to extend the olive branch for the greater good.
We’re sick of the war criminals and I’m wondering when we will bring them to the justice they so deserve???
March 21st, 2009 at 6:12 pmWhen pigs fly, blistex.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:13 pmLet’s give you a little boost, here, “Rebecca”.
Do you know what appeasement means?
(I generally hate giving dictionary definitions but…)
Here is the definition most pertinent to our discussion:
to yield or concede to the belligerent demands of (a nation, group, person, etc.) in a conciliatory effort, sometimes at the expense of justice or other principles.
Can you identify the “belligerent demands” of Iran to which President Obama conceded by releasing a video?
Thanks.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:14 pmThe still have significant influence
March 21st, 2009 at 6:14 pm#78 Please don’t litter these threads with your brand of detritus. No one here gives a flyin’ rat’s a$$ what part of any story even remotely connected with your life you’re talking about. Beat it, troll.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:15 pmIs it the part where you masturbate to a picture of Keith Olbermann every night before you go to sleep?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:15 pmhit a nerve, Ms. (Frontal) Lobotomy? Not when it’s coming from someone so worthless like yourself. Hit the road.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:18 pmNo.
Can you explain how it is a “backfire”?
(Keep in mind that a “backfire” typically accomplishes the exact opposite of what was intended. If a video intended to open channels of communication instead incited the recipient to launch an attack would qualify as a “backfire”.
Simply rejecting the overture does not. Do you understand the difference?)
March 21st, 2009 at 6:19 pmthe only appeasement Obama has done is with regard to the Israeli’s….hahahahah! He’s duped them totally.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:19 pmThe facts speak for themselves – Peres finds it necessary to contradict Obama because Obama made a fool of him. Pretty obvious.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:22 pmThe only thing the that the Israelis know how to spew is venom and and white phosphorus.
Then they wonder why the world hates them.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:22 pmperez is so crazy and he thinks its still george bush well my bad its obama and he is not going to be used by perez or anybody the way they used bush enough enough if perez does not want peace then he is on the wrong side of history he has period
March 21st, 2009 at 6:24 pmBut seriously, “Rebecca”, let’s dispense with the evasive rhetorical questions and simply respond directly.
You’ve sort of indirectly implied that you think an overture that is rejected qualifies as a “backfire”. (I don’t, for the reasons I stated. But it’s as close to an answer as I’m likely to get from you, so let’s move on:)
How does the President’s video qualify as “appeasement”?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:24 pmBy the way, “Rebecca”, did I mention how pretty you look in that new outfit?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:25 pmO presidente do ESTADO TERRORISTA DE ISRAEL has to be jeld accountable for WAR CRIMES!
March 21st, 2009 at 6:28 pmI meant: The President of the TERRORIST STATE OF ISRAEL has to be held accountable for WAR CRIMES!
March 21st, 2009 at 6:30 pmIf Perez cant blow up the middle east you can be sure that Nut-the-Yahoo will.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:31 pmOnly a matter of time.
Stop all aid to Isreal, if they oppose or frustrate American policy.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:36 pmIt’s time to form a “O” Club: O-O-O-it’s Olberman.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:36 pmHamas does not have nuclear bombs, hamas is not occupying stolen land, hamas does not have WHITE PHOSFORUS.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:37 pmPlease explain how that’s a “double standard”?
Let me explain one more time, s-l-o-w-l-y this time:
A ‘backfire” is the result of an action that creates the exact opposite result that was intended.
To try to expand the definition to encompass simply an action that doesn’t create its intended consequence is just a dilution of language.
It’s entirely possible that the President’s efforts to engage Iran may eventually bear fruit. It would be silly to assume that the Iranians, belligerent as they are, would simply drop their guard and say, “it’s all good” in response to a single video.
Diplomacy is complex and requires patience as well as delicacy, two things at which the Bush administration did not excel. So an initial failure is hardly a backfire. It could be the first step in a long process of successful foreign policy.
Understand now?
Okay, good. Now you wanna take a crack at that “appeasement” question?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:38 pmBOYCOT ISRAEL’S PRODUCTS!
March 21st, 2009 at 6:38 pmPerez sounds like a war-mongering wingnut. Wait a minute – is he channeling Cowboy Shrub?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:38 pm.. ps. Hamas won a ligitimate and democratic election!
March 21st, 2009 at 6:38 pmSo, Rebecca, do you swallow on the first date? At least you wouldn’t be able to type or post BS with your head bobbing in somebody’s lap.
Hey, Guys, Rebecca’s gonna pull a train. Man the mop buckets.
Sounds like everybody’s piling on board Rebecca, metaphorically speaking.
Of course, if Rebecca actually had something to say on the topic. You said something about “Iran bombing us”. Can you provide a credible link to that news?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:39 pmFolks, unless the leader of Iran accepts McDonalds, Brittaney Spears and Microsoft, they are evil. If they claim they want to hold to their own traditional beliefs they are leagued with the devil. Until the whole world is accepting our beliefs, Rebecca and company will be leaguing them with evil.
We aren’t going to change that. They think greed is what makes the world go round. Get used to it.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:39 pmsacopena: Great idea. Does anyone have a list of products coming from Israel? If so, share it please. Let’s get a boycott going on the netroots this weekend to show our disgust for Perez’s violent and inhuman rhetoric.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:40 pmHamas did win a democratic election so, essentially, they’re the people’s choice. Now deal with it, Perez.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:41 pmBliss, google boycot israel products!
March 21st, 2009 at 6:43 pmRebecca, didn’t you get the message? Dictionaries have a “liberal bias” according to your Republitard friends and here you go resorting to using and quoting a dictionary. What next, Das Kapital or Mein Kampf? You may be more comfortable with fascist references.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:46 pmRebecca yentl… look in the dictionary for OCCUPATION, ROBERY, WAR CRIMES. You will find them attached with the israeli flag.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:46 pmIf that’s the way you want to define”backfire” then that’s your privilege. It strikes me as sloppy and even a bit hysterical, but in a way, it fits your personality. It’s good to know that you treat language so loosely.
Now, how about “appeasement”?
How is the President’s video “appeasement”, especially in the sense that right-winger generally use that term, in connection with Chamberlain?
Thanks.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:47 pmBecca, Hugo Chavez is a great Democratic leader who has the support of the entire Latin America for his social reforms, despite US/Israel’s dated policies. The US tried to overthrow him, but the people placed him back in its legitimate place. Acctually Ligitimacy is what the TERRORIST STATE OF ISRAEL lacks!
March 21st, 2009 at 6:48 pmRebecca Lobo Says:
sacopenapa Says:
.. ps. Hamas won a ligitimate and democratic election!
Yea! So did Kim Jong, Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro! LOL!
I see, so elections are only legitimate when the people the right wing win win.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:53 pm“Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.”
- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:53 pmS.Perez has zero credibility among Iranians,Arabs,Moslems and most independent and non allied countries,specially after the Gaza war.
He knows that no matter what he says,nobody pays attention to him in Iran and take his unfriendly advice seriously.
This is just a timely ploy by Shimon Perez addressed to Americans and their politicians voiced thru Neocon’s media of America to sabotage any effort by America and Obama to improve relationship with Iran.
Perez asked Bibi Natanayhu latley to form the most warmongering government in modern history; a new government that’s all members are focused on bombing Iran.
Natanyahu now is called Mr. Iran in Israel because he keeps threatening to bomb Iran.
Perez is a hawk who wants to see another Shah of Iran installed.
Perez plays the kinder face of warmongers like Natanyahu and A. Lieberman.
The Iranians know very well that the Israelis trained their Savak and Iranian security Ettila’at during the shah ruling time to torture their own people.
Israel wants to be the dominant power in the area,after Iran is crushed, so it can take all Palestinians lands for good forever with no other power in the area to stand up to it.
In order for Israel to do that, USA must put its total weight into the coming battle..meaning putting its boys,its treasury and its prestige on the line for Israel’s war effort with Iran.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:54 pmObama must not let himself fall in the same Neocon’s trap that Bush got caught in,and must establish an independent US polciy ,and if the Neocons have the upper hand in the war debate,then we Americans will find ourselves again in a bigger mess fighting Iran in a war which will make Iraqi war looks like a weekend picnic.
So that is why the Republicans are screaming, the right wing candidate didn’t win so the election was false.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:54 pmRebecca, do you slepp with Das Capital under your pillow?
March 21st, 2009 at 6:55 pmFor the Middle East to become a real part of the world politic, Israel has to realize the are one country in a region of many countries.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:58 pmIf the Middle East explodes because of Israeli recalcitrance, I will fight to my last breath allowing any of my children being drawn into any US support. If they wish a war, let them fight it. Not my kids and I will fight it being on my dime.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:03 pmPeople of good conscience have chosen to boycott israeli products and companies supporting the zionist entity. Their ethical purchasing decision however is frustrated by the lack of accurate information as to which companies to boycott.
We have carried out extensive research to identify the guilty companies….
http://www.inminds.co.uk/boycott-israel.php
March 21st, 2009 at 7:04 pmSay, “Rebecca”, I like your new haircut. Have you lost weight?
Now, I know you’re still working on your “appeasement” argument, but let’s return briefly to our “backfire” discussion. I know you defined it down to mean simply a result other than the intended one, and I sense that you have a vested interest in maintaining that positions (after all, as Upton Sinclair said, “It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it”) but I have to make one more observation.
From wikipedia:
The term was derived from experiences with early unreliable guns, which could literally blow up in a shooter’s face.[citation needed] From this came the use of the word “backfire” as a verb to indicate something that produces an unintended, unexpected, and undesired result.
Now, your preferred definition might be better described in this context as a “misfire” rather than a backfire.
I hope this helps make my position clear.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:06 pmIraq was stupid enough, it is time to end war. If we can’t negotiate, it ain’t worth it.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:07 pmWhere did Rebecca go? It was just starting to get fun. While we wait for Rebecca to massage her sore neck and jaw muscles, this is the video of Steve Colbert’s rap war with Michael Steele. Definitely good for a laugh. Sorry for being OT but it is funny. Rebecca may have knocked herself unconscious hitting the bottom of the desk. Probably why her parents had her wearing a helmet from puberty on.
Rebecca, when you come to, any thoughts on the new IDF fashions? The rifle scope image on the pregnant woman with the words “One shot, one kill” is especially chillng.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:09 pmNo, becky, it shoved the goalposts up your butt.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:14 pmIt is clear I can shove anything I want up rebecca’s holes
March 21st, 2009 at 7:15 pmSorry, but I know its getting crowded in there. Not nice having a goalpost in your ear.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:15 pmExplain how so?
All I did was explain why i didn’t agree with your assessment on the President’s video “backfiring”.
How is that moving the goal posts?
Do you understand what “moving the goal posts” means in this context?
March 21st, 2009 at 7:15 pmPardon my typo, the shirt ordered by the IDF soldier shows “One shot, two kills”.
I wish they had a Preview function here.
Oh, Rebecca, don’t you want to play anymore. Here’s a flashback for you, Ariel Sharon warning Bush that Saddam Hussein was a threat. We know where that got us. Any comments, Rebecca?
March 21st, 2009 at 7:16 pmMaybe she likes the idea of the goalposts up her butt, Ralph.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:17 pmUseful fool Rebecca?
March 21st, 2009 at 7:19 pmSo it seems that “Rebecca” has decided to punt on the “appeasement” question and focus exclusively (in our conversation, at least) on her attempt to redefine “backfire” as “misfire”.
Quite likely ’she” sees this as a more winnable argument.
Of course, it’s gotta be tough for “her” to concentrate with dbadass shoving all manner of extruded implements into “Rebecca’s” various orifices.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:19 pmBecky, would you like for someone to get some preparation H for you?
March 21st, 2009 at 7:19 pmRebecca Lobo Says:
Looks like Obamas appeasement video is backfiring….
Rebecca Lobo,
I think you understand what “appeasement” is less than radio talk show host Kevin James does. It never ceases to amaze me how right-wingers love to throw terms around they know nothing about. They rarely try to appeal to anyone’s intellect, only to their emotions. This is, of course, deliberate, because when humans get their emotions riled up they rarely think clearly and rationally. (That’s how we end up with the term “crime of passion”.)
If the right wing was ever forced to use logic and common sense to get support from the voting public, they would lose every single time, because their reasons for doing things are rarely based on logic and common sense.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:20 pmGoody, Rebecca’s back and she says babies were killed by Hamas. Well, I’m not even going to use HTML, just copy the entire thing in and let you copy and paste into your browser.
Palestinian health care ailing, 10% of Palestinian children have stunted growth, 30% in some areas (Another one of Nitwityahoo’s “positive” achievements, no doubt) Dr Rahim’s paper mentions a previously published report from the UN, which says more than 60 Palestinian women have given birth at Israeli checkpoints because they won’t let them go through to the hospital and 36 of their babies have died as a result.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7924199.stm
further substantiation of above
March 21st, 2009 at 7:20 pmhttp://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1071629.html
Ralph, backfire, misfire, they sound a lot like fart to a female.
She might be uncomfortable with that.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:20 pmPalestinian health care ailing, 10% of Palestinian children have stunted growth, 30% in some areas (Another one of Nitwityahoo’s “positive” achievements, no doubt) Dr Rahim’s paper mentions a previously published report from the UN, which says more than 60 Palestinian women have given birth at Israeli checkpoints and 36 of their babies have died as a result.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7924199.stm
further substantiation of above
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1071629.html
To quote your former reckless misleader, bring it on, Rebecca
March 21st, 2009 at 7:22 pmLook at Perez’s eyeballs. The guy is dilated like he’s on 100mgs of Valium.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:23 pmDead or weird Palestinian babies are not an Israeli concern, tko. They have suffered enough.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:23 pmLet there be no doubt that the Israeli hardliners have exerted their arrogant, war-like, in-your-face attitude in the US’s foreign policies for many years.
It is time we stopped being Israel’s minion. Their blood rage is not only expensive, it is counter-productive.
I salute President Obama in extending a firm but fair hand toward the leadership and the peoples of the sovereign country of Iran. It’s about damn time we abandoned the notion that we have a right to slaughter, invade or assimilate any country/land mass we have a mind to.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:24 pmOn the topic of Netanyahu or whom I prefer the term NitWitYahoo, here is a Jerusalem Post article where NitWitYahoo is referred to as BiBi the Bigot and his positive achievements.
“And on the national level, the unexpected result was the demographic effect on the non-Jewish public, where there was a dramatic drop in the birth rate.” (Quoted in Ynet, Yediot Aharonot’s Web site. The speech was also reported in Haaretz.) ”
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1167467656176&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Rebecca, anything else to say on Hamas killing children?
March 21st, 2009 at 7:27 pmSorry for the double post, my browser choked and had to be restarted, something I’m sure Rebecca is familiar with.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:28 pmWhen did Israelis become such sheetheads…?
March 21st, 2009 at 7:28 pmFor the last sixty years, the zionist Israelis have been stealing Palestinian land and Palestinian water. The have also have been running a police state in the Gaza Strip zone for many years. We call this imperialism. It is wrong.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:35 pmWayne, I don’t think we’ll see “Rebecca” again until “she” thinks the coast is clear, and then “she’ll” sneak back and try to get the last word.
Nice Hardball clip, though.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:36 pmThanks, ralph. The Hardball clip is a classic.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:40 pmBoycott Israel???Guess what Israel sells to America.
From Naomi Klein, at the Nation:
http://www.thenation.com/doc/20070702/klein
Israel now sends $1.2 billion in “defense” products to the United States–up dramatically from $270 million in 1999. In 2006 Israel exported $3.4 billion in defense products–well over a billion more than it received in US military aid. That makes Israel the fourth-largest arms dealer in the world, overtaking Britain.
After the dot-com bubble burst in 2000, Israel’s economy was devastated, facing its worst year since 1953. Then came 9/11, and suddenly new profit vistas opened up for any company that claimed it could spot terrorists in crowds, seal borders from attack and extract confessions from closed-mouthed prisoners.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:45 pmIn case your wondering about war crimes.
THE PALESTINIAN VICTIMS: The biological crimes perpetrated against the Palestinians in Acre and Gaza in 1948 are still being enacted today.
In 1997, Mossad agents tried to assassinate Khaled Mish’al, Hamas Political Bureau’s director in Amman. King Hussein was furious at the blatant violation of Jordan’s sovereignty and of the Peace Treaty with Israel. As the attempt failed, thanks to Mish’al’s bodyguard, Israel sent a lady doctor with the antidote. The toxin used is likely to be SEB applied through a special gun which has a range of 50 metres. and could inject the toxin in the neck.
The stories about nerve gas applied against school children abound. So are the cases in which CBW are used. Neil Sammonds lists these cases:
ï Chemical defoliants against Palestinian crops in Ain Al- Beida in 1968, Aqraba in 1972, Mejdel Beni Fadil in 1978 and Negev in 2002.
ï Chemical Weapons, including hydrogen cyanide, nerve gas and phosphorous shells in the 1982 war on Lebanon.
ï Lethal gas against Palestinian and Lebanese prisoners.
But the case which was widely publicised all over the world and fully documented by several international NGOs is the application of incapacitants, particularly in Khan Younis, in February 2001. The pictures of victims twisting with severe pain and uncontrollable convulsions were splashed on TV screens everywhere.
This has been going on since 1948.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:47 pmSorry..forgot to post the link.
Here is a history.
http://www.plands.org/articles/10.htm
March 21st, 2009 at 7:55 pmThe best and smartest thing the US could do is walk away from Israel – period. No aid, no military stuff, nada… Time for these folks to get the message that they don’t rule the world.
We got enough problems as it is so worrying about some whining Israelis is over the top. AND when Netanyaya’s new government finally gets in place it will be like dealing with George Wallace back in the 60’s given his attitude and the people that have signed up to join his cabal…
I’m sure the NeoNuts here are pleased as punch…
March 21st, 2009 at 7:56 pmI often wonder how much better off America would be if we didn’t have to waste so much time and money putting out all the fires created by Zionists here and in Israel.
March 21st, 2009 at 7:57 pmHistory 101: The CIA connived to overthrow the democractically elected government and installed the Shah.
Who knows what Iran would be like today if we hadn’t poisoned he well.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:12 pmThis clearly will end the relationship between the US and Israel. Israel just got finished with the Palestine Holocaust and know the Bush people are gone. This was done to disrupt the peace President Obama is trying to get. Israel will continue but they will go it alone. As they brought the UN 1948 Settlement agreement they have no choice but to pin countries against each other. Just think Israel calls it self the Holy City but is really the City of Satan. Preaident Obama would be wise to cut these Israel Satan Worshippers loose. Iran knows when their being played by Israel. Look Israel has one President charged with Rape and PM Olmert charged with Corruption. The Israel Foreign Minister is being investigated for War Crimes. Israel has so much corruption and crime with no Leader.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:23 pmSo 911 changed Israel’s economy? Anyone still unconvinced about those Dancing Israeli’s on 911?
March 21st, 2009 at 8:23 pmIt’s obvious that Iran believes that an African-American can’t change the old racist tired ways.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:27 pmNice slap down, Wayne… that video clip is amazing.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:28 pmIsrael is a terrorist state with WMDs whose actions threaten the security of the US. Here’s a “Special message” to Shimon Peres: Shut your hamentaschen hole!
March 21st, 2009 at 8:37 pmIranians should look at the whole picture. The United States of American has elected an African-American.
Our country is showing an effort that we are on the side of truth. We are williang to grow and change for the betterment of mankind. More than ever.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:49 pmWhy do people on TP think they did something great when they slapped down ignorant repug troll(s)? It’s one repug idiot under multiple names. Calling repugs out on their shit isn’t a hard thing to do.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:55 pmgood cop/bad cop.
March 21st, 2009 at 8:59 pmGame@165, I agree somewhat. But trolls keep life interesting. You just can’t beleive the crap they come up with.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:05 pmP.D. Says:
Game@165, I agree somewhat. But trolls keep life interesting. You just can’t beleive the crap they come up with.
I know it can be fun to show their ignorance and deciet…in the beginning it can be fun and with one troll name…but
TROLLS DON’T DO NOTHING NEW
March 21st, 2009 at 9:18 pmCould the solution to the Middle East problem be as simple as treating ALL countries equally and fairly?
If Iran is supposed to give up rights of owning nukes, then why is Israel and others not asked the same… or for that matter the US as we are viewed as the #1 terrorist country.
The unfairness of it all makes my skin crawl.
The talks and ignoring fairness have been going on for 60 years.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:33 pmAh, there you are, “Rebecca”!
Shall we pick up where we left off?
I believe you were about to explain how my explanation for my preferred definition of “backfire” was an example of moving the goal posts?
Or would you prefer to explain how you felt the President’s message to the Iranian people could be seen as “appeasement”?
March 21st, 2009 at 9:37 pm“it is impossible to preserve a whole nation on incitement and hatred,”
Interesting that Peres says something like that. I doubt that he believes it, or else he and his kind wouldn’t be trying to preserve Israel on incitement and hatred. Or maybe he just really doesn’t understand the irony of his statement.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:43 pmRebecca’s back. What do you want to talk about now? Hopefully something to do with the actual topic of the thread. And there is a point to disposing of trolls. They waste the entire thread and there is no longer any discussion. Just troll gibberish. Seriously, Rebecca, just stick to the topic with facts or things you can link to, you would probably be left alone or go to a Repub website. It’s really your choice.
Examples (with links), Rebecca:
Gaza home destruction “wanton”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7926413.stm
Nitwityahoo says 9/11 terrorist attacks good for Israel
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/975574.html
Palestinian doctor killed by IDF while treating wounded
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1055233.html
Gaza burn victims exhibit signs of white phosphorus burns
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1061720.html
Gazans say IDF ignored white flags and shot at them
March 21st, 2009 at 9:44 pmhttp://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1056952.html
We could always just flag Becky outta here.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:47 pmShe’ll/he just come back with a different name.
March 21st, 2009 at 9:52 pmNo fair, TRoS! I wanna get some answers first!
March 21st, 2009 at 9:52 pmC’mon guys. Just let this person who has stolen Rebecca Lobo’s name yell and scream all by him/herself. If no one pays any attention, does it make a noise?
March 21st, 2009 at 9:53 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
No fair, TRoS! I wanna get some answers first!
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(TRoS back-pedaling w/ hands up, palms out…)
Thas okay, Li’l Herbivore Feller… it can wait… it can wait…
Becky just seems ta be one ‘o them “totally pointless, truly annoying” types of trolls.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:08 pm… ya think?
(blink blink)
… now that ya mention it…
March 21st, 2009 at 10:11 pmTexas Aggie Says:
C’mon guys. Just let this person who has stolen Rebecca Lobo’s name yell and scream all by him/herself. If no one pays any attention, does it make a noise?
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Is this one of them Zen-type riddles?
“What is the sound of one troll flapping its gums?”
“If a troll f*rts in the woods and no one is there to smell it, does it still stink?”
Or is this one of them trick questions?
Saaay… am I on camera right now? Hey… is that Ashton Kutcher over there?
March 21st, 2009 at 10:11 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
… ya think?
(blink blink)
… now that ya mention it…
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Well… she, and I use the term loosely, really hasn’t even TRIED to make a real point, or even defend “her” own words.
I notice poor b-cup has bin havin’ a hard time gittin’ folks ta play wif him of late. Heh… I t’ink dat sad “Stewart/Cramer” kerfluffle the other day, when he finally broke down and admitted he really hadn’t, well… ya know, **WATCHED** the whole interview… might have finally knocked his li’l train right offin its tracks… huh? Whatchagonnado?
March 21st, 2009 at 10:15 pmBut… but…
I thought “she” really liked me…
March 21st, 2009 at 10:25 pmYeah, TRoS… b-cup showed hisself today, but poor li’l feller’s heart just warn’t init…
March 21st, 2009 at 10:25 pmRebecca Lobo Says:
Cue idiotic response with lost of caps and curse words……
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Hey, ralphie… got one of them TP Score cards layin’ around here?
“Becky” can’t tell the players here apart…
March 21st, 2009 at 10:37 pmAnd “Rebecca” shows up as if on cue, to demonstrate your point, TRoS.
No responses to my long-standing questions, but she’s perfectly willing to try a smart remark.
Too bad she’s not smart.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:37 pmRebecca Lobo Says:
Cue idiotic response with lost of caps and curse words……
Say, TRoS… which one of the troll names confused you with RHF the other day?
Was that Archie B?
Or Habib? I forget.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:39 pmWho was here the other day, ralphie, that said conservatives rush out to knife fights only to pull out… a rubber chicken?
Careful, ralphie… she’s packin’ a latex fowl…
March 21st, 2009 at 10:39 pmI think it was archie b…
March 21st, 2009 at 10:40 pmActually, I was just going to get some dinner when I saw Rebecca had posted again.
Something related to the original topic of Peres undermining Obama’s video to the Iranians is this Jerusalem Oped from 2006.
Jpost oped about opinions about US Presidents Carter, Bush 1, Clinton and Shrub 2 (We are only allies with Israel if we fight for Israel, not like Clinton did, trying to bring peace to Israel. All the rest are anti-semites.)
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1162378459157&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
and as far as Israeli opinions on treatment of the Palestinians, this was surprisingly truthful
An op-ed admitting most Israelis are against easing any hardships the Palestinians are undergoing
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1164881991957&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
These came out 2 years before Operation Cast Lead in Gaza in February.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:43 pmRebecca Lobo Says:
Cue “com padre” horse shit.
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Careful, ralphie… she means business w/ that elastic rooster…
Cue up “trollo mudo” horse shit.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:50 pmRebecca Lobo Says:
How’s “cap lock” rehab coming along?
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That’s actually very funny… but not in a way you’ll ever get.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:51 pmTRoS, I suspect this is a ruse to throw us off the sock puppet trail.
Y’know… “if I wuz really Archie, why wud I make the same embarrassing mistake that he did, confusing TRoS and RHF? That wud be pretty stupid.”
March 21st, 2009 at 10:51 pmWhy don’t the Israelis overthrow their corrupt fascist militaristic leadership?
March 21st, 2009 at 10:57 pmYeah, you said that last time too.
It wasn’t any more true then than it is now.
March 21st, 2009 at 10:58 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
TRoS, I suspect this is a ruse to throw us off the sock puppet trail.
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Well. it’s working ralphie… I’m not sure who I am right now…
Hmmm… lemme see…
ROTFLMAO!!! ROTFLMAO!!!
Heh… Pretty good, huh?
March 21st, 2009 at 10:58 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Y’know… “if I wuz really Archie, why wud I make the same embarrassing mistake that he did, confusing TRoS and RHF? That wud be pretty stupid.”
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Better be careful, ralphie… it’s like crossin’ yer eyes on purpose…
Yer brain is liable to go inta vapor lock and you’ll be stuck in “Troll Mode”…
March 21st, 2009 at 11:01 pmOoooooo…
A NEW one…
March 21st, 2009 at 11:01 pmRebecca Lobo Says:
You have inside info? Solid proof? Evidence?
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No…please… continue… it is fascinating.
And how did you come to this conclusion?
March 21st, 2009 at 11:02 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Rebecca Lobo Says:
They’re both the same
Yeah, you said that last time too.
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Actually, that was the EXACT wording, wasn’t it?
Now… if only somebody would say… “They’re both haters…”
Waiiiitin’…
March 21st, 2009 at 11:02 pmIs anyone else as sick as I am of Becky Loon clogging up every thread with Loon shit?
Flag it for f uck’s sake.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:06 pmHmmm… perhaps Dear Sweet Becky is having second thoughts about her conclusions… double checking yer calcs, Becky?
March 21st, 2009 at 11:06 pmFlag the drunken goat, too.
TP is really scraping the bottom of the troll barrel these days.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pmZooey Says:
Is anyone else as sick as I am of Becky Loon clogging up every thread with Loon shit?
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Hey.. don’t blame me… I wanted to flag away earlier on the thread, but ralphie insisted. He said, “She likes me… I kin tell… I’m gittin’ somewhere here…”
March 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pmRebecca Lobo Says:
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Plain as day.
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What is plain as day?
March 21st, 2009 at 11:08 pm“Let’s just all try to get along.” Isn’t that what Rodney King said. I think we should just stick to the subject. Rebecca and Archie kind of make us crazy don’t they? We try not to feed the trolls, and yet, we do it all the time. Are we sadistic or what?
March 21st, 2009 at 11:11 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Hey.. don’t blame me… I wanted to flag away earlier on the thread, but ralphie insisted. He said, “She likes me… I kin tell… I’m gittin’ somewhere here…”
March 21st, 2009 at 11:07 pm
I hope ralph has all his shots and a body condom…
March 21st, 2009 at 11:14 pmRUCerious Says:
Why don’t the Israelis overthrow their corrupt fascist militaristic leadership?
GMAFB
I hope the Palestinians obtain nukes. Let’s see how tough Israel is to an equal opponent.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:17 pmI wonder why most jewish people I talk to dislike pissreal I mean isreal? Israel without American support = screwed. If theres one thing good that will come out of this wrecked economy it will be the destruction of israel.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:19 pmAnyone ever wonder why israel doesnt mess with iran? I guess they have to pick on tiny countries with 1/1000th of the military resources they have so they can feel tough.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:21 pmThe Loon troll never did figure out the right question last night. That’s so funny.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:32 pmYesterday, I called Obama/Peres the good cop/bad cop on Iran. That got me called a few names. Today, TP focuses on the bad cop part.
Over on the Wonk Room there’s a picture of Obama speaking at AIPAC. This is coordinated message management, courtesy of Rahm and company.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:33 pmstateofthedivision,
Do you know something for sure, or are you noticing correlations?
March 21st, 2009 at 11:38 pmSimple Man, I have posted a lot of links to show the actions of the Israeli government, but I don’t want to see Israel destroyed. I would like to see them stop building on Palestinian land and making a serious effort to develop some diplomacy with their neighbors. The Israelis are victims of fearmongering too and I can respect them trying to defend themselves. Taking land from your neighbors like the Golan Heights and intending to keep it forever now because it has become a major source of water or subjugating their own citizens essentially making them noncitizens in a manner like the US treated its Indian population. Their policy of pre-emptive attacks or wars is just wrong. Isn’t that what Bush’s invasion of Iraq was portrayed to be, even though we know better now. Were the Japanese justified in attacking Pearl Harbor because the US had a big fleet and might one day be a threat to Japan? My point is, you have a real problem if you want to see more death and destruction than there already has been in the ME and this includes Israeli deaths. I would like to see the Israeli government change its behavior, period! And the Israeli government hasn’t messed with the Iranian government yet because Iran has the biggest military in the ME. With racist neocons like Nitwityahoo and Lieberman in power, I expect they will try to draw us into war with Iran because Israel’s military is relatively small.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:40 pm“intentially”
Journalists are sofa king stupid, it’s not even funny.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:40 pmebecca Lobo Says:
This Regime CAME INTO POWER because we WORKED WITH THE OPPOSITION to overthrow THEIR GOVERNMENT and INSTALL THE SHAH! Don’t you **KNOW ANYTHING**?
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Actually, that is true. Operation Ajax… one of the worst blowbacks in the history of the CIA.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d‘état
The 1953 Iranian Coup d’état was the Western covert operation that deposed the democratically-elected Government of Prime Minister Mohammed Mosaddeq; [1][2][3] the CIA and MI6 effected it by aiding and abetting pro-West Iranians and mutinous Iranian army officers. [4]
CIA man Kermit Roosevelt, Jr., organised Operation Ajax [5] to aid retired General Fazlollah Zahedi and Imperial Guard Colonel Nematollah Nassiri to establish a pro–US and –UK government, by bribing Iranian government officials, reporters, and businessmen. [6]
This Anglo–American coup d’état was to ensure Western control of Iran’s petroleum and to prevent Eastern (USSR) hegemony upon Iran.[7][8][9][10] Moreover, the Iranian motivations for deposing P.M. Mosaddeq included reactionary Clerical dissatisfaction with a secular government, fomented with CIA propaganda. [6]
Originally, the Eisenhower Administration considered Operation Ajax a successful secret war, but, given its blowback, now is considered a failure, because of its “. . . haunting and terrible legacy” of anti-American terrorism. [11]
In 2000, Madeleine Albright, US Secretary of State, apologised to Iran, saying that “intervention by America” in the “internal affairs” of Iran was a “setback for democratic government”.[12]
This anti-democratic coup d’état was a “a critical event in post-war world history” that destroyed Iran’s post-monarchic, secular parliamentary democracy, by re-installing the Shah, Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, as absolute ruler, [13] replacing an elected and native democracy with a pro-foreign monarchic dictatorship. In the event, in 1979, it provoked the Iranian Revolution, which deposed the Shah and replaced the monarchy with an anti-Western Islamic Republic.[14]
Amazing what you can find on the Intertubes w/ just a little effort…
You can thank me later, Becky.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:48 pmPainful that… Op Ajax…
Apparently, the precursor to BP, the consortium that originally singed an agreement w/ the Iranians to develop their oil fields helped bring this on because once the oil started flowing, they refused to let the Iranians see the books on the whole enterprise.
This is what gave impetus to the election of Mosaddeq, whom I believe was a socialist. Fairer dealings on the oil company’s part and we might not have this mess on our hands, huh?
March 21st, 2009 at 11:55 pmRebecca Lobo Says:
Actually, that is true.
ROFFLMFAO!!!!
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Strange, and meaningless, response…
March 21st, 2009 at 11:56 pmIs the Looney troll thinking it has discovered something we didn’t know?
Lordy…
March 21st, 2009 at 11:56 pmZooey Says:
Is the Looney troll thinking it has discovered something we didn’t know?
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Apparently so…
March 21st, 2009 at 11:58 pmZooey,
Who ever knows what loony trolls are thinking? It’s certainly not the product of a rational mind, that’s for sure.
March 21st, 2009 at 11:59 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
Who ever knows what loony trolls are thinking? It’s certainly not the product of a rational mind, that’s for sure.
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You can say that again…
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Who ever knows what loony trolls are thinking? It’s certainly not the product of a rational mind, that’s for sure.
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Whoa… spooky, Wayne… how’d you do that?
At any rate… amazing video clip earlier, Wayne.
The one of Matthews doing the Big Slap Down over the word “appeasement”…
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:02 amMatthews clip? Where can I find that?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:07 amGo up to Wayne’s comment at #140 and click on the Kevin James link, Z.
It’s quite good.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:14 amThanks, TRoS. :-)
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:18 amZooey,
Or go to the one at TheZoo. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:19 amAw hell, that’s embarrassing, Wayne. :-D
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:20 amWell, in all candor, I should have looked for it there, first, but I used The Google and went directly to it. Please forgive me. :)
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:20 am______
RationalRadioJett Says:
The only thing the that the Israelis know how to spew is venom and and white phosphorus.
Then they wonder why the world hates them.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:22 pm
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Yeah, if only we could go back to the pre-Israel days when the Jews were loved and accepted the world over. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:22 amGeez… where’d Beckers go?
Saaaay… anybody seen that horny llama lately?
Hmmm… you don’t suppose…????
ROTFLMAO!!! ROTHFLMAO!!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:23 amWow, Tweety kicked some serious ass on that video. I remember seeing it now. I really hate all that cross-talk, but Matthews made a devastating point with that idiot — don’t use words you don’t know, it will fly in your stupid face.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:24 amThanks again, TRoS. Every time someone from the right wing uses the word “appeasement,” they should be given the same grilling that Chrisball gave James. Most of them have no idea what they are talking about. All they know is, “We’re supposed to call them ‘appeasers’ and ‘Neville Chamberlains’.”
This is why people on the right can be so dangerous to a democracy. It’s like they all follow Glenn Beck’s advice (which we should also remind people of from, time to time), “You’ve gotta believe in something, even if it’s wrong. You’ve gotta believe in something.” They have no idea what they are talking about, or understand in the least the consequences of the policies they put forth, but they will back up their point of view with violence if necessary. Dangerous, dangerous people.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 amThe llama scores!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ewww, now I’m grossed out again.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 amupright left Says:
March 21st, 2009 at 6:22 pm
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Yeah, if only we could go back to the pre-Israel days when the Jews were loved and accepted the world over. ;)
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Sooo… good Christianist that you are… are you saying two wrongs make a right?
That since the Jews were treated so abysmally in the past, this excuses some truly crummy behavior on their part these days?
Please clarify your comment, Good Christianist…
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 amObama is learning that changing the status quo is going to be an uphill battle. The primaries and Presidental race tested his political skills, but he is in the big league now. Peres
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:27 amhas squared off againt the American President. I think a little “hell” should be paid when the President is trying to stabilize the Middle East with a different approch and Peres pulls this crap. I believe he is trying to play in the US political sandbox. I hope Obama has a good memory!!!
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Hoodathunk Says:
Folks, unless the leader of Iran accepts McDonalds, Brittaney Spears and Microsoft, they are evil. If they claim they want to hold to their own traditional beliefs they are leagued with the devil.
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And, of course, they believe we are in league with the devil because we accept McDonalds, Britney Spears and Microsoft. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:27 amZooey Says:
The llama scores!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ewww, now I’m grossed out again.
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Heh… sorry about that. But it’s all in good fun.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:28 amupright left Says:
And, of course, they believe we are in league with the devil because we accept McDonalds, Britney Spears and Microsoft. ;)
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Hell… I believe we’re are in league w/ the devil because we accept McDonalds, Britney, and Microsoft.
Saaay… how does Britney’s soft-core porn/Lolita schtick jive w/ yer Christianist value system, wrongie?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:30 am______
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
Sooo… good Christianist that you are… are you saying two wrongs make a right?
That since the Jews were treated so abysmally in the past, this excuses some truly crummy behavior on their part these days?
Please clarify your comment, Good Christianist…
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 am
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Ever the master of misinterpretation, eh bud? But you know I don’t mind helping you out. Simply pointing out that the hatred of Jews slightly predates Israel’s “venom and and white phosphorus.” ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:31 amIs it just me, or does Peres look like he just looked up at the back of the room and saw a ghost?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:33 amupright left,
What he asked you was if you believed that two wrongs make a right?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:34 am______
Hoodathunk Says:
For the Middle East to become a real part of the world politic, Israel has to realize the are one country in a region of many countries.
March 21st, 2009 at 6:58 pm
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Israel would probably be fine with that. This is the sort of thing that they might find troubling:
Annie B. Says:
Many of us Americans grow weary of Israel’s actions in the Middle East.
If they lose our friendship/protection/money, they will be annihilated.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:36 amupright left Says:
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Ever the master of misinterpretation, eh bud?
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Actually, that’s not misinterpretation, bud. What did you mean? How was YOUR comment an honest rebuttal? The Israelis have been rather heavy handed in the ME for quite some time. Do two wrongs make a right?
Are the Israelis entitled to drop white phosphorus on people or shoot doctors treating wounded because of past history? What else could you have meant?
Oopsie… dealing w/ a little blowback, huh?
Merry Christianistmas. Ho ho ho…
But you know I don’t mind helping you out. Simply pointing out that the hatred of Jews slightly predates Israel’s “venom and and white phosphorus.” ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 amupright left,
Do you believe that the governments of Israel past and present were completely justified in every action they took (including covert ones)?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 amWayne A. Schneider Says:
upright left,
What he asked you was if you believed that two wrongs make a right?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:34 am
uptight idiot is too interested in projecting his/her own psychological issues onto others.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:39 am______
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
Saaay… how does Britney’s soft-core porn/Lolita schtick jive w/ yer Christianist value system, wrongie?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:30 am
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It’s just part of the general decline of our society, bud. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:40 amupright left Says:
Israel would probably be fine with that. This is the sort of thing that they might find troubling:
Annie B. Says:
Many of us Americans grow weary of Israel’s actions in the Middle East.
If they lose our friendship/protection/money, they will be annihilated.
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Well, seeing as the Israelis do have nukes, that’s prolly not gonna happen.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:41 amupright left,
Have I not shown you the appropriate amount of politeness?
I would like to know your thoughts on those two questions I asked:
1. Do you believe that two wrongs make a right?
2. Do you believe that the governments of Israel past and present were completely justified in every action they took (including covert ones)?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:42 amupright left Says:
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The Republic of Stupidity Says:
Saaay… how does Britney’s soft-core porn/Lolita schtick jive w/ yer Christianist value system, wrongie?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:30 am
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It’s just part of the general decline of our society, bud. ;)
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Geez… a comment like that makes you appear to AGREE w/ the mullahs…
Saaay… are you one of those self-proclaimed “American Taliban” types? Bud?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:43 amMay all three nations start tweeting at each other, and let this thing be sorted out in our lifetime – may we remember it all as part of an absurd unenlightened past.
God is not going to show up while people are fighting for the best seats. He’ll apear only after thousands of years go by without religious wars.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:43 amWayne A. Schneider Says:
upright left,
Have I not shown you the appropriate amount of politeness?
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Y got me on that one, Wayner.
I can’t stand the little poison toad.
Jes kiddin’, wrongie… yer a great guy, bud…
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:44 am______
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
upright left,
What he asked you was if you believed that two wrongs make a right?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:34 am
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Of course he did. He generally does try to avoid a point he doesn’t like by asking a different question. Since you asked, Israel is wrong for continuing to take land and restrict supplies to the Palestinians and for not persuing diplomacy in good faith among other things. But you must admit, the post that I originally referred to was in error. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:46 am______
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
Y got me on that one, Wayner.
I can’t stand the little poison toad.
Jes kiddin’, wrongie… yer a great guy, bud…
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:44 am
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Now was that nice bud? And here I was about to complement you on how you’ve evolved this little personality that allows you not to get livid every time we have a little exchange. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:51 amAnd still uptight wingnut fails to answer the question.
Surprised? I think not…
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:51 amI’ll admit no such thing, upright left. Israel is one of the bad guys in the Middle East, and our continued policy of looking the other way when they cross the line has to end. To be perfectly honest, I do not understand why we continue to support them so strongly. I just wish someone in our government would be truthful with us about it.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:52 amupright left Says:
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:44 am
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Now was that nice bud? And here I was about to complement you on how you’ve evolved this little personality that allows you not to get livid every time we have a little exchange. ;)
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Awww… who said I get upset? I just can’t stand ya.
Two TOTALLY different things.
THREE people here have now asked you if you think 2 wrongs make a right, wrongie. Ever going to answer?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:53 am______
Zooey Says:
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And still uptight wingnut fails to answer the question.
Surprised? I think not…
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:51 am
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My deepest apologies zooette. I assumed everyone here had the ability to comprehend an answer that didn’t follow exactly the form of the question. Please allow me to simplify:
Do you believe that two wrongs make a right?
no
Do you believe that the governments of Israel past and present were completely justified in every action they took (including covert ones)?
no
Better? ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:57 amupright left Says:
Of course he did. He generally does try to avoid a point he doesn’t like by asking a different question.
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Not in hte least bit ture and you know it. Not very Christian of you to deliberately distort like that, wrongie. Ooops… my bad. You’re not a Christian… you’re a Christianist.
And I didn’t ask a different question. I asked ONE question, which you ducked, and now you’ve answered. If all I did was ask a question, how could I “misinterpet” your comment?
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Since you asked, Israel is wrong for continuing to take land and restrict supplies to the Palestinians and for not persuing diplomacy in good faith among other things. But you must admit, the post that I originally referred to was in error. ;)
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How? All I did was ask a question? Bud…
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:58 amBoy… talk about pedaling backwards and juggling at the same time.
Sign this boy up… he’s ready fer tha Big Time!
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:58 am_____
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
Awww… who said I get upset? I just can’t stand ya.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:53 am
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And now you are able to say that without going bartlebee. Congrats, bud!
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:00 amupright left,
Thank for for answering my questions (finally). So, if you believe that two wrongs don’t make a right, and that Israel has not always been justified in their past actions, why do you support them?
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:01 amupright left Says:
My deepest apologies zooette.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:57 am
Thanks.
Bud.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:02 amTRoS,
Are you masquerading as rhf AND bartlebee?
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:04 amupright left Says:
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And now you are able to say that without going bartlebee. Congrats, bud!
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Awww… there there there, ya prideful little ragamuffin…
Saaay… isn’t Pride one of the Seven Deadly Sins?
What say you, Good Christianist? Yep… Pride… #7…
Funny… you claimed I misinterpreted yer comment, yet now yer basically saying that, no two wrongs don’t make a right, which is all I asked in the first place…
What a strange, and utterly self-serving, causality you espouse, bud.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:04 amZooey Says:
TRoS,
Are you masquerading as rhf AND bartlebee?
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Awww, man… BUSTED!!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:05 amBTW – reality has a liberal bias, ergo it’s going to take a lot of liberal thinking from all sides to solve the ME conflict.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:05 am______
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
If all I did was ask a question, how could I “misinterpet” your comment?
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If you can just develop some comprehension to go along with the self-control you’ll be golden, bud. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:06 amThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Awww, man… BUSTED!!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:05 am
Triple threat!
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:09 amupright left Says:
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If you can just develop some comprehension to go along with the self-control you’ll be golden, bud. ;)
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Awww… there there there, Li’l Feller… if I didn’t know better, I’d say you embarrassed yourself here tonight and now yer desperately trying to save face anyway you can.
I asked A (ONE) QUESTION about what you meant. You proceeded to spend quite a bit of time spinning like crazy trying to get away from your own words, and then doubled back and said, basically that two wrongs DON’T make a right, that the Israelis aren’t right to be doing what they’re doing.
And I’m the one w/ w/ the comprehension problem?
Geez… I’m kinda gittin’ the fillin’ yer mad about sumpin here, bud///
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 am______
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
upright left,
Thank for for answering my questions (finally). So, if you believe that two wrongs don’t make a right, and that Israel has not always been justified in their past actions, why do you support them?
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:01 am
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I “support” their right to exist without threat of attack simply because of their existence. I don’t choose a side in a conflict and excuse all the wrongs of that side. For example, I blame Israel for creating conditions that are unacceptable for the Palestinians. But I don’t blame Israel for civilian deaths when Hamas fires rockets from atop, or next to, a school or hospital. Neither Israel nor Hamas is blameless and I don’t excuse either.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 amBut I don’t blame Israel for civilian deaths when Hamas fires rockets from atop, or next to, a school or hospital.
So, you think Israel’s response to the Hamas rockets was acceptable? You don’t think they went even a little overboard?
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 amAww, Wayne… wrongie’s just doin’ his schtick here.
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1. Show up late.
2. Take a comment of someone long gone.
3. Post a snotty reply that goes to the other side of the argument, no matter what.
4. Go snicker in the corner at his own cleverness.
5. Have no REAL point to make. Just hope to embarrass someone.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 amI’m gonna leave Wrongie w/ you, wayne.
Make sure he doesn’t pee in the corners too much.
Marking territory ‘n all that.
Bin fun playing w/ ya, wrongie.
Merry Christianistmas, bud. Ho ho ho…
Later!
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:21 am______
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
Awww… there there there, Li’l Feller… if I didn’t know better, I’d say you embarrassed yourself here tonight and now yer desperately trying to save face anyway you can.
I asked A (ONE) QUESTION about what you meant. You proceeded to spend quite a bit of time spinning like crazy trying to get away from your own words, and then doubled back and said, basically that two wrongs DON’T make a right, that the Israelis aren’t right to be doing what they’re doing.
And I’m the one w/ w/ the comprehension problem?
Geez… I’m kinda gittin’ the fillin’ yer mad about sumpin here, bud///
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 am
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Now, bud, this is the only problem with the new you. You get carried away with it. You’re losing it a little. Just rein it in a little, bud. I hate to break it to you, but you’re nowhere near important enough to be able to make me angry. See, bud, that’s the key. You have to quit letting people have that kind of contol over you. Then you don’t run the risk of what just happened to you. You’re definitely getting there, though. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:23 amYou’re probably right, TRoS. Anyway, I have to go to bed now.
Personally, I don’t see how anyone can justify Israel’s actions during the recent Gaza fight. At times, it seems as though they operate on the principle that “He who is not my friend is my enemy,” and it doesn’t appear that they concern themselves too much with who gets hurt besides their targets. It also seems to me, at times, that they think the entire world should accept them as “God’s chosen people.” (Of course, being atheist, I would never accept them as such.)
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:27 am______
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
But I don’t blame Israel for civilian deaths when Hamas fires rockets from atop, or next to, a school or hospital.
So, you think Israel’s response to the Hamas rockets was acceptable? You don’t think they went even a little overboard?
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 am
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Their response should have been somewhat less than it was. But I don’t believe they should limit their response to rockets to an equal attack. They are dealing with terrorists who have said they will never accept Israel’s right to exist. You have to admit it would be difficult to trust people who feel no need to keep that attitude confidential. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:29 amGood night, all. See you after the Sunday morning political gabfests.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:29 am______
The Republic of Stupidity Says:
Later!
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:21 am
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You have a great evening, now, bud! ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:31 amThey are dealing with terrorists who have said they will never accept Israel’s right to exist. You have to admit it would be difficult to trust people who feel no need to keep that attitude confidential. ;)
There are right-wing Americans who feel those of us on the left shouldn’t have the right to exist, and I agree it is difficult to trust them. Especially since they prefer not to operate in the fact-based world.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:32 amRebecca Lobo Says:
That’s always a kick in the butt to watch!
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:27 am
You’re such a pathetic little Renfield.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:34 am______
Wayne A. Schneider Says:
There are right-wing Americans who feel those of us on the left shouldn’t have the right to exist, and I agree it is difficult to trust them. Especially since they prefer not to operate in the fact-based world.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:32 am
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I seriously doubt that there are, even among far righties, people who believe that your existence should be ended. That is a reality for Israel. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:42 amWayne, I finally got a chance to check out the Matthews smackdown link you had up. The right wing retard was like a balloon with the end untied and just sputtering away nonsensically. Thanks for the link, I like to save links for future discussion.
Upright or uptight left, you need to chill out. Here is an interesting link The hiding among civilians myth. Hezbollah and Hamas don’t hide among civilians because they are given away by collaborators. How do you feel about the Israelis using human shields. If you were a captive in your own land and the only weapons you had were inaccurate rockets that usually, but not always exploded in fields because you had no other weapons except rocks to throw, wouldn’t you use them? If you watched 29 members of your family killed, wouldn’t you want to fight back with the only weapons you had? As far as rockets aimed at Sderot, the Israelis built a bunker for the children to hide in. The Palestinians have no such bunker for their children.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:45 amUpright left, you said you didn’t care about Palestinians killed, how about UN peacekeepers that told the Israelis 10 times in the previous 6 hours that they were bombing too close?
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:04 amlol Archie B got banned again
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:01 amIsrael’s latest killing spree on millions of defenseless men, women, and children living in the Gaza refugee camps was ruthless, revolting, and immoral. Since 1948, Israelis have terrorized, tortured, and murdered countless Muslims and Christians who have lived in Palestine for thousands of years. The sickening part is that almost all of these “Israelis” are recent immigrants from Europe, Russia, and America.
I’m sick and tired of listening to war mongering Israelis demand that Americans murder innocent women and children in the Middle East for them. If it were up to me, I’d flush Israel down the toilet with all the war mongering Zionists attached to it.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:04 amLhamita!!!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:00 amYour posts are great! You argue with reason and wit! Today I had great fun reading about Becca. You made my day! Thanks!
Just say NO…..to Israel.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:28 amOff Topic…
The Protest in Ottawa America Never Witnessed
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwZiWkIaR1U
Now America,
Count the hand full the next day…
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/19/bush-jacksonville/
Shockingly sad. America has been coward by…
… America?
America has no moral authority…
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:30 am… We squandered it on George W. Bush.
Great post Max! Thanks!
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:56 amOff the topic too…
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:02 amOlberman has a great segments on AIG bonuses on THERAWSTORY site!
“He referred to Iran as the “Islamic Republic of Iran” twice in the message and stated specifically that it has the “right” to exist:”
Gee, wouldn’t it be humane and correct for Iran to accept Israel’s right to exist? Or is the life of an Israeli somehow less worth than the life of an Iranian?
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:04 amOh, and we jews are also party of the democratic party and a major part of the progressive movement. So, just pissing in your own backyard and spreading anti-semitic smut.
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:08 amIsrael is a country. Complaining about the actions of a country is not anti-semitic and anyone who tries to claim otherwise is an ignorant, fool.
I’ve seen this bullsh|t before. On Crooks and Liars where the fools they have as site monitors confuse criticism of Israel with anti-semitism.
The US is a predominately Christian nation. Does anyone believe that critism of this country is anti-Christian activity? No.
So. bonncaruso. SFTU! Isreal sucks. It’s not a Jew thang you moron. But, you will try to make it a Jew thang won’t you?? You do know that there other people of other religions and atheists living in Isreal too, right?
Now comes the comments about you the Jew. How dare you come on here and lecture us about being progressive when you are attempting to shut down comments about a country as being anti- semitic. Jews are not more progressive than others and they do not own the progressive movement is the US. Period!
If Israel can do no wrong and is a Jewish nation then your comments imply the the country of Israel and the Jews are a perfect, flawless combination of religion and government and that the Jews are a flawless people that should be free from critical comments. Now, that’s foolish thinking beyond the pale!!
BTW, I think all religions are ridiculous and their followers are supertitious morons. So it’s hard for me to be more balanced in my comments about your Jewishness. I feel the same about Christians, Muslims, Hindi, etc. All religions are ruining this great world.
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:32 amSend the Weekly Standard Super Hawks and their families to Iran to fight for the Isreali People, and let America get on with Her business!
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:39 amBonncaruso:
What about the Palestinians ‘right to exist’on their fathers and grandfathers land stolen from them by European Zionists like Shimon Perez who came with his family from Poland (born in Wiszniewo,poland and now Belarus) changed his polish name from Szymon Perski to Shimon Perez?
You are using ‘anti Semitism’ against whoever criticises the bahavior of Israeli government toward native Palestinians who are more Semite than European Zionist Perez (Perski).
Israel existed since 1948 by forcing Palestinians out of 78% of what was then known as Palestine.
Palestinians accepted a country on the remaining 22% of what was known as Palestine under British mandate.
Do the Palestinians have the ‘Right to Exist’ on their own land?
None of the Palestinians came from abroad like Perski,Golda Maer, Ben Gurion and all Israeli leaders.
Palestinians lived there in Palestine (Phillisteen) for thousands of years,and they are the true Semites.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:06 amJust say NO…..to Israel.
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March 22nd, 2009 at 9:56 amUnless it is this Israel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D68ymfjpw98
dbadass,
Please, tell that guy to put a shirt on! And tell him if he played a bigger instrument, he wouldn’t look as large. :)
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:08 amPeres is the loose cannon, hurting Obama’s chances? Doubtful.
Senior U.S. officials are preparing to present President Barack Obama with a plan for dialogue with Iran on its nuclear program, including increased international sanctions against Tehran alongside dialogue.
Top Israeli and U.S. officials have been holding meetings on Iran.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072808.html
Obama-good cop, Peres bad cop on Iran
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:13 amI can’t Wayne as he has passed away. Killer voice though.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:15 amThe senior U.S. official leading the American rapprochement with Iran is Dennis Ross.
Ross is Obama’s neocon.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1072808.html
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:19 amstate, nothing that haaretz says can be taken seriously. It don’t mean squat as far as truth is concerned. Why don’t you just quote daffy duck?
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:02 amOh, well, dbadass. Yes, a very lovely voice. Nice rendition of the song, too.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:04 amDixie is right, criticizing the Israelie government is not anti-semitism so get over yourself. Maybe you are the one pissing everywhere with your bullshit.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:08 amVery intresting thread, great read.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 amstateofthedivision Says:
The senior U.S. official leading the American rapprochement with Iran is Dennis Ross.
Ross is Obama’s neocon.
The article in your link (and thank you for providing one, unlike some of the trolls who show up and throw unverified crap out) mentions Dennis Ross and nothing else about him. It is you who used the term “Obama’s neocon”. Further, to support what Fred said about Haaretz’s credibility, it ends with this line (which contradicts the theme of this post):
“President Shimon Peres also recorded a similar message that will be aired online and on Israel Radio in Farsi.”
Peres’s message was not similar to Obama’s in that Peres called for Iranians to overthrow their government while Obama called for peaceful relationships with that same government.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:37 amperes had been hammered in Davos meeting by turkish prime minister, nobody has any confident about this guy, he is a wordless junk.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:08 pmI’m just picking up the last few posts and have a few comments.
dixie blood, I understand your distaste for religion but what’s wrong with Budhism? I think it’s Bhutan that has a happines index to determine how well the people in their country are doing. Have you ever heard of anything like this anywhere else?
Tarazan, I understand the Palestinians where forced of their land to allow for the creation of Israel. What exactly did the U.S. do to native americans and mexicans?
As far as Perez advocating the overthrow of the government, it was not wise for him to do so. But it’s foolish to think Iran wouldn’t be better served with a different more european style of government.
Just like it would have been foolish for another head of state to advocate the overthrow of our government when Bush was president. Sure the world would have been better off but that’s not really something you can do.
The only reason I mention this is because we in the US tend to be a bunch of hypocrites. It’s just too easy to condemn Israel when what are we doing with our own war criminals?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:10 pmRich H,
If you find Budhism useful in your life then more power to you. This is not a thread about my views on religion. I only mentioned it so that bonncaruso would not feel like I was picking on “teh” Jews.
IMHO that Budha thing ain’t working out too well for the Sri Lankans who are fighting with the Hindi Tamils. How’s that for a happiness index? Death!
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:59 pmRich says:
” Tarazan, I understand the Palestinians were forced of their land to allow for the creation of Israel. What exactly did the US do to native Americans and Mexcicans?”.
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Rich you cannot make the comparison.
In USA,
Indians are living now as US citizens with the same rights of all US citizens
In Israel,
Palestinians(Christians and Moslems) are living as second class citizen because they do not belong to the Jewish faith.
In USA,
Anybody can immigrate to America if he meets certain conditions from any place on this planet,regardless of what faith he follows.
In Israel, only people of Jewish faith can immigrate to Israel. Palestinians (Christians and Moslems) who were born there and now refugees by millions cannot return to their own land ,but any Jew from anywhere on this planet can.
US government apologized and acknowledge what went wrong and created a compensation mechanism to help Indians for what happened 200 years ago.
Israel never compensated Palestinians,instead Israel wants more of whatever left of Plalestinians land,although the UN accepted Israel as a member conditionally either to compensate refugees or let refugees come back home.
USA is not a country based on one religion….but Israel is. What happened in America 200 years ago ended, but what happened to Palestinians still going on since 1948.
Your comparison of USA with Israel is not totally accurate.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 pmWhat is it with you jokers. All you can do is bash the only democratic country in the region. You isolated Taiwan years ago in favor of Red China. Just because Israel refuses to go away, you give strength (whether verbal or financial) to a slew of countries that will just as soon do what they can to wipe America off the map!
I firmly believe that if the arabs would lay down their arms, there will be peace. If the israelis lay down their arms, they will be destroyed.
Who should be America’s friend; a country with which we have so much in common (Israel votes approx 99% with the USA in the UN, whether a Democrat or Republican is in the White House) or any of the more than 20 Arab countries who would seek America’s destruction if they had the chance?
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:17 pmI’m just starting to read some of the nonsense here.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:29 pmIf you learn your history correctly, you will understand that when the British (after the UN vote) divided up “Palestine” (which was never a muslim country) into a Jewish country (Israel) and an Arab country (Jordan), the other 20 or so arab countries announced that all arabs should leave Israel so when they attack and destroy Israel, no arabs will be hurt. Meanwhile the government of Israel was asking all arabs to stay where they were and to participate in this newly formed democratic society as equal partners with full rights. (Even today, those arabs who wish to participate have full rights. . . to jobs, to vote, to be in the highest level of the Knesset, etc. Which of the 20+ arab countries grants these rights to their few remaining Jewish citizens?)
When arabs left Israel, they were at the same time, turned back by Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon . . . creating the so-called “Palestinian Refugee Problem”. Let us put fault where it should be and ask the multitude of arab countries to find a solution for the problem they created.
Whose version of history do you wish me to learn? Have you forgotten the forces of perception? Arrogant proclaiming of a knowledge of the set of agreed upon lies which one group claims as history does not make their perception fact
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:39 pmdixie blood,
I mentioned things just for comparison. Not that they are exact. Budhism does actually work well for me and for most Bushist worldwide. What you don’t see is Budhists trying to conquer the world and spread their vision of what the world should be via military endeavors.
tarazan, Again, I mentioned things just to keep them in perspective. What the US has done to native americans is far greater than what the Israelis have done to the Palestinians, the fact that the systematic genocide took place longer ago than 1948 shouldn’t have any bearing.
As far as the US being a place for anyone to emigrate to from around the world. That’s almost laughable. Sure people can sneak in, and those that are “just like us” europeans can come realitively easily, it’s not easy for anyone from a totaly different culture. The US embassys just don’t hand out visas.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:41 pmRich H.
You state that, “What you don’t see is Budhists trying to conquer the world and spread their vision of what the world should be via military endeavors.”
This maybe true but you can say the same for Wicans, Jews, Momons and the Amish. The Budhist in Sri Lanka are killing the Hindi Tamils in the name of Budha, or to put it another way, they are not holy. The Hidni Tamils are killing the Budhist.
Do you care about the death and destruction and corruption that organized religion, including Budhism, brings to the world? How do you find peace when your fellow Budhists are murdering people in Sri Lanka?
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:02 pmSorry. #294 — “Hidni Tamils” should be “Hindi Tamils.”
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:09 pmWell, you know something about nonsense, you just don’t know it when your’re saying it:
Israel bans Arab parties from running in upcoming elections
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1054867.html
of course it’s haaretz so it’s probably a lie.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:24 pmFred – As you probably don’t know, the Israeli Supreme Court overthrew that decision and the arab parties are NOT banned from running. Indeed they won a few seats. But don’t let any facts get in the way of your prejudicial thinking.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:30 pmAnd which of the 20+ arab countries did you say has Jewish Parliament members?
dbadxxx – You learn well from you mentor the great Yes-Sir Arafat who taught that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it to be the truth.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:32 pmHobbyHorse,
Since you insist on making this thread about Jews instead of Israel then answer the following question:
When will Jewish men stop treating Jewish women as second class citizens? You know, drop all that “unclean” time-of-the-month nonsense and all the other hateful stuff.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:38 pmHobbyHorse Says:
Arafat never said that. Bush lived by it though:
“See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda.” George W. Bush — May 24, 2005
more of bush on lying:
“The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine. Propaganda must therefore always be essentially simple and repetitious.”
“Not every item of news should be published. Rather must those who control news policies endeavor to make every item of news serve a certain purpose.”
“It is the absolute right of the State to supervise the formation of public opinion.”
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:47 pmHobbyHorse, if you think you can convince me that Israel is seriously interested in peace then you are wrong.
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:10 pmHobbyHorse
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:20 pmWasn’t it Mr. Napolean and Not Mr Arafat who recognized the fickle nature of history?
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tko Says:
Upright or uptight left, you need to chill out. Here is an interesting link The hiding among civilians myth. Hezbollah and Hamas don’t hide among civilians because they are given away by collaborators. How do you feel about the Israelis using human shields.
Yeah, I saw that. I’ve seen more like this:
Hamas Is Responsible for the Civilian Casualties in Gaza
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitchell-bard/hamas-is-responsible-for_b_155261.html?page=4&show_comment_id=19428470#comment_19428470
As should have been clear from my previous post, I disagree with anyone using innocents as shields and then crying about how inhumane their opponent is when they return fire. Cowardice is cowardice.
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tko Says:
“Upright left, you said you didn’t care about Palestinians killed…”
Is this the post that you misconstrued to mean that I don’t care about the Palestinians killed?
“But I don’t blame Israel for civilian deaths when Hamas fires rockets from atop, or next to, a school or hospital. Neither Israel nor Hamas is blameless and I don’t excuse either.”
That’s quite a stretch, don’t you think? ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:33 pmAmerican colonialists hide out amongst the population. For some reason we romanticize these terrorists. Oops they were freedom fighters. It is oh so confusing…
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dixie blood Says:
BTW, I think all religions are ridiculous and their followers are supertitious morons.
March 22nd, 2009 at 8:32 am
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Barack Obama is hardly a moron. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:37 pmYou guys just see what you want to see. You have no objectivity. The question is not whether Isreal has a right to defend themselves, it is do they have a right to run concentration camps?
Israel does not want peace or they would have it. Only Israelies and pro Israeli fanatics believe that Israel is or has been reasonable.
The notion that the solutions to all problems are force is passe and Israel has no intention of being sensible.
If they wanted peace as badly as you guys claim then what is up with the settlements? Seriously, does that sound like you want to get along?
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:41 pm______
Fred Says:
“The rank and file are usually much more primitive than we imagine…”
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:47 pm
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This line, at least, is believed by many here. It’s common to see posts about how stupid Americans are because they “vote against their own interests.” ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:43 pmYou are a moron for thinking that is funny. Try self-deprication, you will have plenty of material.
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:44 pmBut we are not a government administration….;)
for us it is called…wait for it…an opinion.
I know these are fine distinctions and are hard to grasp for those with few mental tools at thier disposal but if you just don’t post for a while and ponder it maybe you will eventually get it.;););););)
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm______
Fred Says:
If they wanted peace as badly as you guys claim then what is up with the settlements? Seriously, does that sound like you want to get along?
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:41 pm
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Hi Fred, guess you missed this:
upright left Says:
Israel is wrong for continuing to take land and restrict supplies to the Palestinians and for not persuing diplomacy in good faith among other things.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:46 am
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:52 pmI think HobbyHorse ran away.
I’m still waiting on this “chosen one” to square away the female hate thang the Jews have goin’ on.
Did you know that after child birth Jewish women must go through a cleansing ceremony. This is not a blessing. It is a cleansing. How degrading is that?
So, she gave birth using a process created by a Jewish god and ended up dirty and needs cleansing to get back right the same Jewish god? Riiiight…how logical.
In the list of mainstream religions it hard to find a more misogynistic one than Islam followed by Judaism. There are lots worse, but not mainstream.
Why do all of the mainstream religions have such huge problems with women and child birth. Jesus was born to a virgin, Budha was delivered from a slit in his mothers side
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Fred Says:
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dixie blood Says:
BTW, I think all religions are ridiculous and their followers are supertitious morons.
upright left Says:
Barack Obama is hardly a moron. ;)
You are a moron for thinking that is funny. Try self-deprication, you will have plenty of material.
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:44 pm
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I assume from your defensive response that you are referring to the remark on Leno. You made the connection, not me. I happen to believe that Obama made an unfortunate remark and had no intention of making fun of anyone but himself. Why do you always assume that you know what a person thinks just because they don’t agree with you on every issue. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:57 pmI don’t pay attention for when you change sides of your mouth out of which you are speaking. You try to walk the fence and say you blame them both but you defend Israel….
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pmBecause you have a history here!!! And what is the point of your posts today? And you said it yourself, we don’t agree on every issue:):):):)
what does that mean? :) is that a gotta love me thing like backup does? My dog wags his tail.
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Fred Says:
…wait for it…
Is that silly little phrase still in use? ;)
I know these are fine distinctions and are hard to grasp for those with few mental tools at thier disposal but if you just don’t post for a while and ponder it maybe you will eventually get it.;););););)
If the people are stupid, the people are stupid. It’s either true or not. If you fault someone else for saying it, yet pass judgment and say it yourself, you are a hypocrit. No amount of spinning can change that. Not that I expect you to stop trying. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm
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Fred Says:
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upright left Says:
Why do you always assume that you know what a person thinks just because they don’t agree with you on every issue. ;)
Because you have a history here!!! And what is the point of your posts today? And you said it yourself, we don’t agree on every issue:):):):)
what does that mean? :) is that a gotta love me thing like backup does? My dog wags his tail.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
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Calm yourself, bud. Is it my fault that you keep screwing up because you can only see people as with you on every issue or against you on every issue? Not everyone is as rigid in their thinking as you are. Lighten up. ;)
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:11 pmupright left Says:
Your’re an idiot. You want to make it seem like propaganda, the type used by goebbels and bush is the same as someone on the street saying that a group of people have made a mistake, the people they are talking about don’t even hear it……
like I said, take a class. If those kinds of distinctions evade you then you are incapable of having the conversation.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:14 pmWag your tail a little faster.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:16 pmDennis Ross Obama’s neocon. I assume signing a Project for the New American Century letter qualifies.
http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraq-20030319.htm
Here’s his company on that piece:
Ronald Asmus Max Boot Frank Carlucci Eliot Cohen
Ivo H. Daalder Thomas Donnelly Peter Galbraith Jeffrey Gedmin
Robert S. Gelbard Reuel Marc Gerecht Charles Hill Martin S. Indyk
Bruce P. Jackson Robert Kagan Craig Kennedy William Kristol
Tod Lindberg Will Marshall Joshua Muravchik Danielle Pletka
Dennis Ross Randy Scheunemann Gary Schmitt Walter Slocombe
James B. Steinberg R. James Woolsey
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:36 pmIf you don’t see a link in the post above, click on the empty space. My apology for the lack of commas/spaces in the names. It showed spaces prior to posting.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:37 pmI guess you got us state. That one guy will probably wreck the whole Obama administration. Boy you are one sharp tack buddy, yes you are.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:41 pmHey Fred, thanks for holding the piss-soaked trolls on this thread. :-)
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:45 pmSlow day Zooey and half hearted attempt by the trolls. I can grill rib eyes and do this at the same time.
Got to pick up my guitar and join the fun soon though.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:33 pmFred,
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:55 pmWhat state is attempting to point out is that the Neocons that got us to this threshold are still walking among us. Their street cred speaks volumes for itself. Why are they even being given a place at the table?
Wayne A. Schneider said “It is you who used the term “Obama’s neocon”.”
I provided a link from the Project for the New American Century, neocon central. That’s it.
I didn’t mean it to be syrup of ipecac for Fred. He can puke up a thread like nobody else.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:20 pmMaybe you should know what the Iranians thought of it…hmmm???
“In the wake of President Obama’s New Year’s greetings to the repressive Iranian regime, Iranian advocates of democracy sent an open letter to Obama which presents the reasons why Obama hurt the cause of liberty and the interest of the United States by delivering the message that he did.”
“The letter begins by telling Obama that the holiday he refers to is one that the Iranian regime has tried to eradicate: “you should have been informed that the Islamic regime has stated that Norooz must be replaced by an Islamic holyday. The only reason this agenda is not fulfilled is because of the great resistance of the Iranian people.”
“The letter goes on to state that Obama does not care about human rights violations that are being committed by a “barbaric regime.”
“In fact, these Iranians praise Israel’s President Shimon Peres who sent greetings to the Iranian people and not to their oppressors. The letter says, “Mr. President I would like to suggest that you read the Norooz greeting of President Shimon Peres to the Iranian people. Such message brings us hope in dark times like this and reassures that our struggle is not left unnoticed. As history is our witness Iranians will topple this regime to establish a secular democracy.”
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:48 amWhy dont you stick it up YERS ya moron. Was that letter perhaps signed by all 66 MILLION Iranians? Or perhaps it was written by a group with an agenda? My GOD you are stupid if ALL Iranians felt oppressed they would overthrow their regime like they did in 79 when they got rid of the Shah. Your stupidity does NOT define reality. If Jesus himself addressed America you could find a group that would call him a hippy and a Communist and attack what he said. Why dont you use your time more constructively and attempt to find a couple of functioning braincells somewhere.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:48 amHobbyHorse Says:
dbadxxx – You learn well from you mentor the great Yes-Sir Arafat who taught that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it to be the truth.
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No MORON that was taught by Goebells and perfected by Rush Limbuagh. That is how he brainwashes halfwit morons like YOU.
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EugeneDebs Says:
If Jesus himself addressed America you could find a group that would call him a hippy and a Communist and attack what he said.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:48 am
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Until he got to the “go and sin no more part.” The the libs would start in calling him a judgmental, authoritarian fascist. ;)
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Max-1 Says:
Fred,
What state is attempting to point out is that the Neocons that got us to this threshold are still walking among us. Their street cred speaks volumes for itself. Why are they even being given a place at the table?
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:55 pm
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Max, didn’t you know that stateofthedivision, one of the most liberal of TP posters, is now a troll because he dares to keep pointing out where Obama deviates from the prog line and when his appointees are part of the establishment? You have now mentioned your disappointment with neocons “being given a place at the table.” That was your one chance; now keep quiet about it or you’ll join state in the troll category. And don’t you dare suggest that this is the way Republicans act. You are dangerously close to getting out of line and it won’t be tolerated. ;)
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 amPosters on this site have a troll obsession.
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:41 amPeres should just watch and keep his mouth closed. He has enough to do watching Iran without interfering in it’s business.
Of course Israel does not want us to make overtures to their worst enemy. They think it is their interest to keep us from having any but the most poisonous relationship with Iran.
It’s like the enemy of my enemy is my friend. And they want us tied to them permanently without making progress in the middle east. We cannot do that. Not anymore. The world gets smaller all the time in terms of the danger of nuclear weapons. We need a dialogue with everyone. Even the ones we don’t like. Especially those. The old saw. Hold your friends close and your enemies closer.
We will always be tied with Israel. But it should not be at the expense of going along with everything they do. Sometimes they are profoundly wrong. Things are difficult enough without comments from Israel making them worse. Deliberately.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:32 pmIsrael is a “rogue state” with a warmongering rightwing govt:
Israel Promises Internal Probe After Soldiers Describe Civilian Killings, Lax Rules of Engagement in Gaza Attack
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/3/20/israel_promises_internal_probe_after_soldiers
Palestinian Doctor, Peace Advocate Recounts Israeli Attack on Home that Killed 3 Daughters, Niece
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/3/20/palestinian_doctor_peace_advocate_recounts_israeli
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:16 pm(the pro-Israel American media and govt)
# 24 Media Misquotes Threat From Iran’s President
http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/articles/24-media-misquotes-threat-from-irans-president/
US kicks Iran war prep into high gear
Just days after the top US commander sketched out plans to strike Iran, the US military claims Tehran sent a drone into Iraq in February.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=88856§ionid=351020104
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:19 pmIn their own words:
“The Palestinians are like crocodiles, the more you give them meat, they want more”…. Ehud Barak, Prime Minister of Israel at the time – August 28, 2000. Reported in the Jerusalem Post August 30, 2000
“[The Palestinians are] beasts walking on two legs.” Menahim Begin, speech to the Knesset, quoted in Amnon Kapeliouk, “Begin and the Beasts”. New Statesman, 25 June 1982.
“The Palestinians” would be crushed like grasshoppers … heads smashed against the boulders and walls.” Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988
“When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle.” Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.
“We have to kill all the Palestinians unless they are resigned to live here as slaves.” Chairman Heilbrun of the Committee for the Re-election of General Shlomo Lahat, the mayor of Tel Aviv, October 1983.
“One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail.” — Rabbi Yaacov Perrin, Feb. 27, 1994 [Source: N.Y. Times, Feb. 28, 1994, p. 1]
AND LESS THAN ONE MONTH AFTER 9/11 – THIS:
“Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don’t worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it.” – Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001, to Shimon Peres, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:20 pmEugeneDebs Says:
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Why dont you stick it up YERS ya moron. Was that letter perhaps signed by all 66 MILLION Iranians? Or perhaps it was written by a group with an agenda?
Oh yeah…THIS group certainly doesn’t have an agenda.
What the hell do you know about Iran besides what Homodinejad tells ya?
No matter. It still doesn’t take away the fact that this “Holiday” is seen as unislamic by the Mullahs. But don’t let facts get in the way of your illogic. Mmmm’kay?
My GOD you are stupid if ALL Iranians felt oppressed they would overthrow their regime like they did in 79 when they got rid of the Shah.
You mean like maybe the dissidents in prison? or maybe the ones that are dead? or maybe the homosexuals they hung? Or maybe someone the Republican Guard doesn’t have their eyes on?
And I’M stupid?
You, OTOH, are so damned smart you probably think attacking the truth is loyal to THE ONE, who wouldn’t know a truth if it slapped him upside his head. Shine on, sucker.
Your stupidity does NOT define reality. If Jesus himself addressed America you could find a group that would call him a hippy and a Communist and attack what he said.
And YOUR reality wouldn’t recognize Jesus if HE slapped YOU upside the head.
Why dont you use your time more constructively and attempt to find a couple of functioning braincells somewhere.
You might be right about that one. There sure ain’t that many ’round here. LOL
March 25th, 2009 at 1:33 amThe President of the USA seems to me to be a little too interested in being a “world leader” as I see it. Does he put the best interests of America first? He is our Commander in Chief. He is on yours and my payroll. He is our Executive Branch. His JOB is to ensure our continued sovereignty by doing everything he can to encourage and engender economic, political, and military independence. There is no provision in the Constitution which provides the power to the President or to Congress, to alter the political life of other countries. There is nothing that says they should lift up other cultures, bolster foreign economies, feed or defend others from their enemies. I understand that the global culture and need to care about other people. But at the end of the day our governments sole JOB is to protect and defend OUR people. Yes agreements can be made for trade and commerce, but the role of government in this is to provide the best for our people. The USA is a nation steeped in immigration (legal and otherwise) and so I am not proposing isolationism, but more a desire to clean the inner vessel before the outer vessel. It seems nothing short of suicide to surrender any independence afforded and paid for by our fathers blood, just to chain ourselves to nations in the world in which we live.
March 31st, 2009 at 2:47 am