Kristol Complains That Obama’s Iran Message Is ‘Weak’ And ‘Embarrassing’
Kristol Complains That Obama’s Iran Message Is ‘Weak’ And ‘Embarrassing’
In his latest column for the Weekly Standard, super-hawk Bill Kristol addresses President Obama’s recent Persian New Year message to the Iran’s leaders and its people, calling it a “message of weakness.” He is upset that Obama didn’t use the words “liberty,” “freedom,” “democracy,” or “human rights” and chastises Obama for referring to Iran as the “Islamic Republic of Iran,” claiming that doing so means that Obama is “kowtowing” to Iran’s leaders.
On Fox News Sunday this morning, Kristol picked up where he left off in his column and continued to whine about Obama’s move, calling it “a weak and embarrassing statement by the President of the United States.” Fox News’s Brit Hume piled on, complaining that it “appears” that the U.S. has now “joined the rest of the world and practicing the diplomacy of talk.” Watch it:
It is sad to see that Kristol hasn’t learned from any of the Bush administration’s foreign policy mistakes. He still appears to be happily wedded to neoconservatism, the results of which are on full display, most notably in Iraq, where after six years of war, Americans and Iraqis are still dying because of the most disastrous foreign policy blunder in American history.
But also, Kristol’s vision is what has contributed to where we are with Iran today — a bigger, more powerful player in the region that is closer to a nuclear weapons program. Yet as Triti Parsi, the president of the National Iranian American Council, points out, rhetoric preferred by Kristol actually served to help Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and that Obama’s “historic” approach “now may ‘un-help‘” him. Carnegie Endowment expert Karim Sadjadpour agrees:
“What this message does is, it puts the hard-liners in a difficult position, because where the Bush administration united disparate Iranian political leaders against a common threat, what Obama is doing is accentuating the cleavages in Iran,” Mr. Sadjadpour said. “It makes the hard-liners look increasingly like they are the impediment.”
Other experts have “applauded” Obama’s move, and called it “very significant.” The European Union’s foreign policy chief, Javier Solana said it was “very constructive.” Thus, the only thing that is “embarrassing” in this instance is the fact that Bill Kristol keeps trying to play 2002 all over again.
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Brit Hume piled on, complaining that it “appears” that the U.S. has now now “joined the rest of the world and practicing the diplomacy of talk.”
Yeah. After all, why abandon the diplomacy of bombs?
That’s working so well for us.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:46 amLittle Billy Kristol impresses me as the kind of guy who would dial 9-1-1 if his salmon was over-cooked at the swank restaurants he frequents.
Let’s face it, this little twerp has never been right about anything (which is probably why he’s a FoxSnooze “regular”).
It sounds like he much prefers the blustery message sent by the Israeli president. What neither he nor the Zionists understand is that Israel is a client-state — not the other way around. Obama is rightly reclaiming the perogative of the U.S. to direct foreign policy and diplomacy in the Middle East.
I wish that Kristol would just plain disappear. He’s a waste of skin and oxygen.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:46 amI guess that to Kristol, any message other than ‘we’re going to destroy you’ would seem weak. Billy-boy, Obama’s message was not just to the Iranian leaders, he was wishing the entire country a happy new year. See, there’s this thing that some people practice called ‘respecting someone else’s culture’, something you don’t have a clue about (unless it pertains to Israel.)
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:49 am- – About that screen shot; Juan Williams is persona non grata with NPR these days. His name is not to be linked to them on these TV shows.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 amA neonazi like Kristol WOULD interpret “hope for peace” as being “weak and embarrassing”. He’s a nutcase.
Clearly, he’s devoid of anything spiritual in his life and this type of unawakened comment solidifies it.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:50 amWilliam Kristol is a bona fide “killer” – anything less than a threat to kill or maim is not even even in this asshat’s language.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:51 amHey Billy! How’d the bombs and killing work for ya in Iraq?
This man is the epitome of total ignorance.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:52 amBilly, the Fascist Grandson, and his gang of neo-thugs named the PNAC will all soon find themselves being tried for war crimes.
Kristol’s essentially on his “last hurrah” right now.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:52 amThis is more evidence that the right looks at the same situations that we do, but they see different problems.
For instance, we both see strained relations with a powerful player in a critical region.
But we on the left see the problem of making relations better and ensuring peace in the region. We also see a modern society with a great deal of pro-western feeling among its populace, but ruled by a theocratic establishment whose hold on power can be undermined. We naturally calculate that confrontation with them will only serve to rally the people around their leaders and make them stronger.
The right, it appears, only sees the problem of how to make Iran regret not liking us.
Their solution is to punish them, however they can.
It’s an example of the Right’s fetish of punishment.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:53 amNot quite accurate.
He’s a bona fide cheerleader for killing.
He’d never do the actual killing himself.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 amtom Says:
Let’s face it, this little twerp has never been right about anything (which is probably why he’s a FoxSnooze “regular”).
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:46 am
To hear people like Kristol tell it, the reason his ideas failed is that they didn’t go far enough in carrying them out. They think that we still have problems in Iraq because we didn’t kill enough people, and we didn’t privatize enough of their government services (or sell enough of the oil fields to non-Iraqi companies.) His neocon policies aren’t at fault for the disaster that is Iraq now, it’s that we didn’t carry out those policies far enough. He’s another sick one who needs psychiatric help and some time away from civilized people while he sorts himself out.
Does the right wing have anyone sane to present their views?
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:56 amKristol is a Fascist, desperately seeking relevance and to move discussion away from his disastrous anti_American ideology
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 pmI think the IQ of talking heads has dropped precipitously in the last decade.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:02 pmPerhaps Kristol was happier when Ronald Reagan sent a cake, a Bible – and weapons – to Tehran.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 pmwhatever obama does, it will not work that’s how those stupid republicans thinks, but it will work go obama go.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 pmMarch 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
I am continually amazed that this freak is still payed for his opinions.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 pmI think Obama’s approach is good. Understandably, the Iranians want to see more than just words:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/21/AR2009032100217.html?hpid=moreheadlines
The administration has to decide whether or not to placate the Iranians (apologize about the past, lift the sanctions, let them pursue their nuclear program).
It comes down to trust. If we give into Iranian demands, will they reciprocate? Will they use our step back to pursue efforts the world doesn’t want, or will they use it to moderate and co-operate?
I trust the administration. I hope the new approach works.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:13 pmTP, what is the point of your he said/she said approach? Why not provide us with Obama’s policy and any criticisms of it. Calling it “weak” is name calling which is not an acceptable form of debate.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:15 pmI wonder why William ‘eternal war’ Kristol, is not concerned about the economy and the effect another campaign would have on it.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:21 pmI think people like kristol and krugman need to get lost in an ocean they are just dumb and crazy what do they no execpt critise like that krugman guy he is a republican he waorked for reagan i think he wanted a job in the obama admini and they didnt give him now he is so against anything that geithner does people democrats have to get behind geithner because the republicans are trying to get there voices so they will use people like krugman and kristol to tear apart the democrats they dont care about fixing the economy they care about fixing their party period carefull all those liberal bloggers dont be sucked by bloggers like THE HUFFINGTON POST they are republicans arriana huffington is a republican watch out people
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:24 pmThe (R) echo chamber is broken and no amount of whining and finger pointing can get it going again – like a bad fad it had to end.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:30 pmImagine if a band of secretive foreign thugs had entered our country in 1953, overthrown our democracy and replaced it with a vile, vicious dictator who went on to torture and murder thousands of Americans. Would we be pissed off? This is exactly what our CI:A did to Iran in 1953. And we wonder why they are suspicious of our motives? It’s too bad that our American corporate media didn’t bother to tell the American people about this little bit of our imperial history back in the days of the “hostage crisis” in the late 1970s. But the imperial corporate American media knows exactly when to shut up.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:32 pmBush was the one who was weak and embarrasing. His stupid hardline sticks and sticks attitude against Iran lumping it together with Iraq and North Korea in a silly artificial “axis of evil”, only resulted in getting an Iranian extremist hawk like Ahmadinejad elected and strengthened, while escalating the Iran-US conflict to the brink of another stupid war.
Obamas message is not a sign of weakness. Its a step in the right direction
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:34 pmHas anyone actually ever clicked youtube’s link? Is it safe? My spidey senses always tell me no…
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:39 pmCraving more PNAC action are we,… Kristol?
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:41 pmdbadass. I clicked on it. I think it’s safe. foreign language. go check it out.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:42 pmNeoconservatives have one underlying “philosophy” for foreign affairs: bullying. “If you don’t give us what we want, we will beat the crap out of you. If you don’t do what we tell you to, we will beat the crap out of you. If you don’t treat us with the adoration we deserve, we will beat the crap out of you.” It’s a “philosophy” that seems to be largely a product of elite private schools in which all neocons were bullied, kicked and stuffed in garbage cans starting in primary school.
Being neoconservatives, of course, the actual thumping has to be carried out by someone else; neocons do not become battleground heroes except in their own, armchair-bound imaginations.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:44 pmSo Obama is being criticized for TALKING to foreign powers rather than threatening them. And his choice of Iraqi ambassador is criticized for wanting to utilize diplomacy as a primary tool for negotiation.
Isn’t that what an ambassador is supposed to do? Use diplomacy?
And Hume complains that Obama’s diplomacy policy is too diplomatic?
Perhaps these critics don’t really know what diplomacy means?
1 : the art and practice of conducting negotiations between nations
2 : skill in handling affairs without arousing hostility : tact
Threatening to invade or bomb a sovereign foreign power is NOT diplomacy, despite what these war-mongers believe.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:48 pmMatt. You telling me to stop thinking is like me telling you not to click on this link:
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://fromtheleft.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/pelosi_queen_nancy.jpg&imgrefurl=http://fromtheleft.wordpress.com/2007/12/12/speaker-botox-buys-16k-worth-of-flowers/&h=551&w=400&sz=44&tbnid=XwWKexbjTY-PEM::&tbnh=133&tbnw=97&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnancy%2Bpelosi%2Bpicture&usg=__k8K2tF2Pm3_8heTGnYEizumACO4=&ei=kWvGSfabI8-ktwf4m6XICg&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=4&ct=image&cd=1
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:49 pmWho was the General that was working with Iran leaders, making progress and was removed last year ? Yeah the last administration didn’t want that old diplomacy in their administration.
Not all countries have to be a democracy, we need to realize maybe they don’t want it and respect them. Iran was NOT an axis of evil until dumbass bush included them in it, then they voted Mr. Dinnerjacket in and became a U.S. hater.
I applaud President Obama for making the first step of diplomacy after bush stomped all over the middle east with his fake cowboy boots.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:52 pmThe repubs can’t stand the idea the President Obama might succeed and that the public is with him. It just eats them up when people stand in line to catch him on Leno. And then the Blakeman idiot said Obama “shouldn’t” even be on Leno’s show, he should only go on Meet The Press. Right, lets see 20 million viewers for Leno and maybe 6 for Sunday Morning.
It makes my day to see these repubs just incinerate when Obama’s popularity is apparent.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:56 pmPersonally I think Iran would rather hear:
* We US are sorry for 1953 Iranian coup d’état
* We are sorry and own up to the fact of putting Israel in ti’s location to watch Arab oil.
* We are sorry for the in your face disrespect allowing other countries, including Israel, to hold nukes but not you.
March 22nd, 2009 at 12:57 pmTo find “weak and embarrassing” Kristol need only to look in a mirror.
As for Hume & Company — despite all the problems their belligerent and philosophy has wrought they still believe:
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 pmdiplomacy = bad.
war = good.
It is no wonder that when I check out a right wing website, the ignorance of truth, denial of fact, and vitriol aimed at Obama is astonishing.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:26 pmHume, Kristol, cheney, limbaugh exactly how many relatives of these people who love war signed up for the bush war ? Maybe none ? So invading aother country is strong as long as it is not any of my family wearing the boots.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:27 pmAmericans didn’t elect Bloody Bill to represent us – and he’s about as far from a “diplomat” as you can get. Talk about a man with failed ideas – BB is one of the architects of the Iraq debacle.
To Bill: The PNAC doesn’t run foreign policy in this administration you frickin’ moron.
So Bloody Bill doesn’t get to decide what our president says to the leaders/peoples of other countries in the arena of diplomacy. If his opinion had mattered – Obama would have asked him. BB should just wait by the phone and keep his yap shut until Obama needs him.
I suspect the thing that really embarrasses him is located in his pants.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:27 pm*
We all had our doubts about bush but never did I hear the downright nastiness in the first 6 months that President Obama has put up with in the first 60 days.
But repubs attitude for anyone questioning their positions has been lies, intolerance and smear.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:32 pmOlbermann brought a great point Friday night on Mahers show, many of these negative talkers would change their patter in a heartbeat if the people paying them told them too. It is all about cash not belief.
March 22nd, 2009 at 1:34 pmYou cannot believe how much I detest Kristol and his ilk. Going back 40 or so years, while I was enjoying Tet 68 in Vietnam, he and his friends, fiery hawks and future PNAC warmongers to a man, were doing their damnest to avoid putting their asses in harm’s way.
And he hasn’t changed. As long as its the blood of other peoples children and spouses, or Iraqi and Afghan innocent civilians, he’s in the lead pushing for war first, last and always.
I have often fantacized about leading little Billy and his neocon comrades Perle, Cheney, Wolfie, et al, in a little urban combat in places like Fallujah, Saigon or Hue. The main items of equipment they would require would be Depends for when the shooting started and good running shoes to help them flee the field of combat as quickly as possible.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:07 pmBloody Kristol gets excited about starved children, blown up bodies, bullet-riddled families, and the stench of rotting corpses, because they give him that oh-so-elusive boner.
He’s so happy when his wife exclaims, “Three inches today! Lick my shoes.”
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pmLIAMD Says:
Peter Geithner oversaw the Ford Foundation’s microfinance programs in Indonesia being developed by Ann Dunham-Soetoro, President Barack Obama’s mother.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Yeah? Well, I saw Bill Cosby in an airport. So what?
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:31 pmIsrael/Zionism is the #1 threat to America’s security.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:34 pmPardon me but can someone remind me of what if anything the Bloody Billy Kristol has been right about over the past decade. I just can’t seem to recall him being able to distinguish his elbow from his ass.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:37 pmAnything short of outright war would be weak in Kristol’s eyes. After all, he has for years agitated for war with Iran.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:43 pmIt’s interesting to note how the Israelis/Zionists stopped murdering women and children in the Gaza refugee camps on the same day that George W. Bush stepped down as President of the United States.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200917205418665491.html
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:48 pmI wonder if we aren’t doing America a disservice by even talking about the nonsensical, quantifiably wrong opinions of KristolCoulterLimbaughHannityBeckCarlsonDobbsNovaketc., since media whoring and attention are what they are about, not change or progress. Obama’s – and even Congress’s – approval ratings are such that it seems to me these people are still preaching to a twisted choir whose tune has not changed a single mind to see things their way. On the other hand, maybe the attention paid to their morally bankrupt screeds is what is turning so many in the middle to the Dem’s side.
The weirdest thing is they aren’t even smart enough to be ashamed or embarrased about being demonstratably wrong ALL THE TIME.
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:04 pmWhy is it ‘kowtowing’ if Obama addresses Iran as ‘Islamic Republic of Iran’…?
Will Bill Kristol consider that ‘Kowtowing’, if Obama addresses Israel as a ‘Jewish state”, although Iran is over 97% Moslems and Israel is only 80 % Jewish?!!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:07 pmPeter Geithner oversaw the Ford Foundation’s microfinance programs in Indonesia being developed by Ann Dunham-Soetoro, President Barack Obama’s mother.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Yeah? Well, I saw Bill Cosby in an airport. So what?
— Was he wearing that weird Dr. Huxtable sweater?
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:11 pm#
kasinca Says:
Pardon me but can someone remind me of what if anything the Bloody Billy Kristol has been right about over the past decade. I just can’t seem to recall him being able to distinguish his elbow from his ass.
March 22nd, 2009 at 2:37 pm
He is nothing but a familiar gopper face
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pmfeeding gopper propaganda to
goppers drinking the kool aid on
gopper led media.
“Vampire Kristol Complains That Obama’s Iran Message Is ‘Weak’ And ‘Embarrassing’”
Obama, blah, blah, blah… Kristol is beyond nauseating and this garbage is comin from an idiot that constantly have his column corrected and edited by the NY Times when he was a columnist. Other real experts and journalists think that this was a clever by Obama to reach out to Iran. The dittoheads on Faux News should get a clue on why President Obama hasn’t appear on their show and why they are not called on at the press gaggle.
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:50 pm51 delafield
It is very interesting and an interesting link.
Of course we won’t find this on the gopper blood thirsty media.
March 22nd, 2009 at 3:51 pmFor Kristol and his Neocons company, anything short of war with Arab and Moslem countries is considered a weak US foreign policy,meaning American kids will be fighting ’till end of time to please these warmongers.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:00 pmWe should be sure to only refer to him as Kristol, since referring to him by his complete name of William Kristol would be kowtowing to him.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:07 pm>>>Fox News’s Brit Hume piled on, complaining that it “appears” that the U.S. has now “joined the rest of the world and practicing the diplomacy of talk.”<<<
oh noooos….”joining the rest of the world”…the horror! the horror! not to mention the TALKING…..
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:26 pmFox News’s Brit Hume piled on, complaining that it “appears” that the U.S. has now “joined the rest of the world and practicing the diplomacy of talk.”
Sorry guys, the days of “shoot first and ask questions later” are over. We have an ADULT in the Whitehouse now, not a TODDLER. I know the concept is hard for you to grasp but there’s a difference.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm#2 – tom Says:
I wish that Kristol would just plain disappear. He’s a waste of skin and oxygen.
Kristol is much worse than a waste of skin and oxygen. He stands on the ‘Main Stream Media Bully Pulpet’ every day and demonizes Arab/Muslim men, women, and children who stand in the way of the Israeli/Zionist agenda.
Kristol won’t be happy until every Arab/Muslim man, woman, and child is rounded up and placed into Israeli controlled concentration camps. He is right behind Dick Cheney when it comes to war mongering. Kristol’s #1 goal today is to see bombs rain down on the people of Iran just as they did on the people of Iraq.
March 22nd, 2009 at 4:46 pmTo BLC @ 43 – So now we are saying connections are the problem. In your view would that include Blackwater owner’s wife relationship to Jeb Bush’s wife ? Or how about Daddy Bush and The Carlyle Group which got the first bailout and Daddy Bush is on a retainer fee ? That was $150 Billion last May.
Or how about the $200,000 georgie boy got for his campaigns ?
The bushes are more incestuous than any person or group. Like being friends with the family of Osama Bin Laden and allowing the whole family to leave the day after 9/11 with minimal questioning. Hmmmmmmmm ?
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:01 pmPresident Obama doesn’t even have time enough to get as corrupt as rover and bush family. Although conservatives don’t bother to research history, too many facts to absorb. Better to stick to Jerry Springer.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:04 pmTo LIAMD @54 – Who knew what and when ? As America found out who knew what and when about 9/11 ? Two years with bush/cheney dragging their feet and then holding hands under the table answering, oh, and without taking oaths. Strange how some think money is more important than 2500 lives that were lost and the truth NEVER coming out.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:07 pmRepublican machismo is a strange and useless beast.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:16 pm#64 – LIAMD Says:
Not a single one since Bush left, huh?
It’s difficult to stop a train wreck in progress just because ‘Engineer George W. Bush’ jumped off.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:18 pmactually kristol,
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:19 pmany “message” coming from your whiny, effeminate yap sounds “weak”. you better stick to spewing your nonsense in print.
The economy wreck that was started to distract public from the $10 Billion a month being spent and just lost in Iraq will take more than the week, conservatives are giving Obama to clean up. Conservatives pooped in the crib and we all have to suffer.
It really doesn’t matter somehow it is never georgie boy’s fault is it ? Kind of like being AWOL while others died in Vietnam.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:22 pmWould this be a good time to have Kristol appear on The Daily Show with Jon Stewart again, or would that just be another distraction? ‘Cause Jon knows how to put Bill the Bloody in his place. And we all know that Kristol needs to be put in his place.
I have no problem with Jon Stewart changing what we see on television just by pointing out to them how unnecessary, inaccurate, and irrelevant what they do really is.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:38 pmIt seems that Jon Stewart is the courageous one, calling liars on their lies to their face. Sure wish we had more Jon Stewarts on the air. None of the major stations have the backbone to pin them down.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:40 pm#72 – LIAMD
Here’s the link again for you to read. It appears as though Israel wanted to kill as many Palestinian refugees as possible before Bush left the White House.
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/01/200917205418665491.html
January 20, 2009: George W. Bush leaves the White House.
January 21, 2009: Israel says that it has completed the withdrawal of its troops from the Gaza Strip, with forces being redeployed on the territory’s outskirts, ending Operation Cast Lead.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:47 pmI fear that Kristol, in his neo-con values mind, really does not get that, diplomatically, anything besides macho posturing is going to have much of a positive effect when it comes to nations that don’t agree with his world vision.
Clearly this man is unable to relate to the full range of human behavior. Isn’t he even literate in the well read sense? No Shakespeare? Maybe he’s only read Reader’s Digest condensed books. If you back someone, or a people, into a corner, they will virtually always resist. If you give them an out, however small, they may at least rethink their own position. By calling Iran by the country’s recognized official name, Obama offers a shred of dignity, essential for diplomacy.
Tha alternative is the virtual certainty that more American lives will be lost in a futile attempt to wrap the “New American Century” around the rest of the world, a vision certain to fail because in so many ways it is wrong, nor can we or the rest of the world afford it financially or morally.
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pmDo you recognize the bias in Faux News?
March 22nd, 2009 at 5:58 pmIf I looked like Bill Kristol I wouldn’t be too eager to talk about things that looked “weak and embarrassing”.
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:05 pmUm… if that was a reply to me, two thoughts:
one, today is Sunday, and since there is no ThinkFast threads on weekends, the “off-topic” things is generally accepted to be kind of relaxed.
two, you introduced the issue of bias in news reporting, as a means of dismissing a report from a source you deem unacceptable.
I’m seeking to find out if you hold such bias to be reason for dismissing reports regardless of the shape or direction of that bias, or if you are more selective in your application of the standard.
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 pmLittle Billy Kristol, I like that Torn. You are right about this a$$clown. Send him over to Iraq; maybe they will take care of him.
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 pmI guess it wasn’t a reply to me.
Wonder who it was directed toward?
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:15 pmWho’s pissing?
I just wondered if you applied your “biased reporting” standard universally or selectively.
Of course, if you don’t recognize a bias in Faux News reporting, that says something else entirely.
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pmHey ralph. What up?
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:32 pmI see. You’re only here to make snide cracks. I understand.
Believe me, I’m a fan of the snide wisecrack myself. I just thought maybe you had some integrity behind your comment, but I can see that’s not your game.
Carry on.
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:34 pmNot much, dbadass. I was just trying to engage our friend here in a conversation, but it doesn’t appear he wants to.
You now how it is — you just want to take potshots at others… discussion’s not your bag… I’m sure you’ve seen it before. The cool, jaded Fonzie-type.
Ah well, i tried.
I’m working but I’ll pop in now and again. Keep the place tidy, okay?
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:37 pmDon’t work too hard ralph. I am just getting my mis en place for Monday.
March 22nd, 2009 at 6:40 pmtexaslady, you’re on a roll today, knocking those trolls back with facts.
March 22nd, 2009 at 7:09 pmCan somebody explain to me why calling the Islamic Republic of Iran by its proper name is “kowtowing?” And while you’re at it, maybe someone can enlighten me as to how Hume imagines he has any credibilty after not only cheerleading for war criminals for eight years, but for openly admitting last that he took a “buffet” of information from Brent Bozell’s factual black hole and was actually grateful for it?
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:05 pmAre you saying that “America” and “war criminals” are synonymous?
Seems like an odd thing to suggest.
Besides, since when is a journalist supposed to “cheerlead” for anything? I thought they were supposed to be as objective as possible, so that we the people could get the best information and thus make the most informed choices?
Maybe I have that whole “fourth estate” thing wrong.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:41 pmWee Willie Kristol is a girlie man.
March 22nd, 2009 at 9:45 pm#95 – LIAMD Says:
Hume was “cheerleading” for America. Apparently, you weren’t.
Brit Hume was cheerleading for Israel, not America. Rupert Murdoch (R- Neocon/Zionist) signs all of Brit Hume’s pay checks.
Check out this news article from 2003, LIAMD…
For Israel Lobby Group, War Is Topic A, Quietly – http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A63578-2003Mar31?language=printer
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:05 pm#100 LIAMD Says – Would it be safe to say you were and are cheering against Israel?
I’m cheering for America. Who are you cheering for?
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:17 pmYou have a link? A quote of Aaron Brown “openly cheering against our brave soldiers”?
I’d certainly appreciate some support for that statement.
Do you mean the same guy who said, “Here’s a president who’s really nonverbal. He’s like Eisenhower. He looks great in a military uniform. He looks great in that cowboy costume he wears when he goes West”?
or “sometimes it glimmers with this man, our president, that kind of sunny nobility“?
That kind of objectivity?
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:22 pmRUC complians that Kristol’s Neocon cabal’s Iran message is ‘
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:37 pmnuke em till they glow’.
LIAMD, Israel isn’t ‘on our side’. They’re ‘In our wallet’.
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:38 pmLIAMD Says: Israel is on our side last I checked.
Oh good, we’re choosing sides! I call Poland!
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 pmOIMF ~ I’ve got Tahiti!!
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:40 pm#103 – LIAMD Says
You criticized Hume for supposedly “cheerleading for Israel” yet you claim to be “cheerleeding for America.” Israel is on our side last I checked.
I’m sorry but I don’t think America should be on the same side with the people who, less than 60 days ago, did this to Palestinian women and children…. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TpKhxocn_EE
March 22nd, 2009 at 10:48 pm#110 – LIAMD Says:
You think hamas are the good guys?
Israel punishes 100,000 Palestinians for every crime committed by Hamas. That’s getting pretty close to the ratio achieved by Nazis against the Jews.
Do you think the Israelis who terrorized millions of peaceful Muslims, Christians, and Palestinians off their land and into Israeli run concentration camps are the good guys?
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:07 pmUnderstood. If it ever happens that I prove you right and me wrong, I will add the disclaimer.
I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting for that, if I were you.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 pmOf course, me proving you right may be the only shot you have at being proven right, so it might make sense for you to wait around for it to happen…
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:13 pm#113 – LIAMD Says
You didn’t answer my question. Do you like Hamas?
I like justice. The only thing that I see in Israel/Palestine is injustice, racism, lies, deceit, terrorism and inequality practiced by Israelis against all non-Israelis. That I don’t like.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:17 pmLIAMD asks: “Do you think Hamas are the good guys”?
I don’t think the situation in the middle east reduces so neatly to good guys vs. bad guys. I understand why the jews so desparately needed a land to call their own. I don’t understand why an oppressed people would be so blind to the rights of others that they would become the type of oppressors they clain to fight against. Hamas is the inevitable political face of an oppressed people. Israel could have avoided their ascendency by treating the Palastineans as humans.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:23 pmSo, LIAMD… yay or nay on that Aaron Brown quote?
Thanks.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:25 pmLIAMD is an acronym for Liberalism Is A Mental Disease, a book by Michael Savage.
The Olbermann-obsessed troll, Rebecca Habib Archie Lobo McCuckoo, is a big fan of Michael Savage.
Jus’ sayin’
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:26 pmLIAMD:
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:27 pmIt’s not FOOTBALL. Get F’in real.
Make that “Disorder” not “Disease.”
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:28 pmThanks for cracking the code, Trollspotter. You prove your value to the community with every post.
And here I was thinking LIAMD was just a brain-dead soccer hooligan who had been weaned on Rupert Murdoch’s SkyTV.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:31 pmLIAMD Says:
Israel could have avoided their ascendency by treating the Palastineans as humans.
Fortunately, there are 2 sides to every story.
Well that’s sort of lame. There are nearly infinite facets to most human stories.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:33 pm#121 – LIAMD Says
Fortunately, there are 2 sides to every story.
We’re still waiting to hear your side of the story, if you have one.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:34 pmPost 121:
I love it when anyone says there are 2 sides to any story. That tells me that your cognition is limited.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:35 pmI’m glad to be of help. It’s a great community and I enjoy spotting trolls.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:35 pmLIAMD Says: You are living proof. You like Hamas, too?
This is fairly lame as well. I feel like I should pass a note to a classmate or something. “Do you like Hamas? I heard he likes you.”
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:37 pmYou’re welcome, Archie Habib Bovine Lobo Nitwit Troll Clown.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:38 pmYou’re the sad sap who took the name of Keith Olbermann’s former girlfriend so he could imagine a relationship with the guy… the guy you pretend to hate… and you think I live in a loony bin?
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:43 pmSo you’re mad at me now or some junk? I thought we were buds, olbysucker. What gives?
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:56 pmSo, Liam… still working on that Aaron Brown quote, i guess?
Take your time… but not too much time, or we’ll figure you got nothin’.
March 22nd, 2009 at 11:57 pmWhat is it called again where someone ignores the substance of a claim and instead just launches incoherent personal attacks?
Oh, yeah… ad hominem. That’s right. most trolls don’t have a clear idea of what constitutes an ad hominem attack, but this one has it down cold.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:00 amI’m not so sure if Obama’s message was weak, but the press should never have let the leaders of Iran know that he ate arugula. That was a big mistake. In the US, it is only iceberg. You can’t let them know you eat arugula. How can an arugula eating country defend itself?
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:02 amHe’s got it down because it’s his one and only weapon. Everything else requires intelligence, discipline or courage. He doesn’t have any of that.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:06 amWhile I completely agree with ralph’s denunciation of LIAMD’s post as ad hominem, I wish someone could explain to me what or who the troll was talking about. Did I miss some controversy over uniforms? The cut-out part is just odd.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:07 amIt’s a bit of a blur, but my understanding is it went like this:
#1. I exposed LIAMD as being the same stupid troll as Archie B, etc.
#2. The troll realized I had bested and humiliated him once again.
#3. The troll decided that if someone was going to humiliate him, it should be someone who could play into his sexual fantasies, so he imagined me as someone who might ravish him: a gay San Franciscan wearing a security uniform with the ass part cut out.
And here I thought he was only gay for Keith Olbermann. Glad he could stop by to clear that up.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:15 amThat was the “incoherent” part I was talking about. But, you’re right, I haven’t been here all night, so it’s possible that we missed some reference made earlier.
I think one critical element to acknowledge is that ol’ Liam didn’t deny that he’s a fan of the savage Weiner. Yet by failing to confirm it, he leaves the impression (quite rightly) that it’s something to be ashamed of.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:17 amThanks for clearing that up Trollspotter, though I admit I’m sorry I asked. Doesn’t the multi-named troll realize he could just indulge in internet porn and leave the rest of us be?
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:18 amOf course, that makes sense too, Trollspotter, in a sad and twisted way.
Be careful you don’t get too close to Teh Stoopid. You never know if it might be contagious.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:19 amIt’s a good point. My guess here is he’s not courageous enough to confront his closeted feelings, so instead of indulging in gay porn, he indulges in the pornography of hating liberals. With the strange feelings Keith Olbermann clearly gives him, how deeply conflicted he must be, hating the object of his affections, and trolling blue blogs to get humiliated by liberals as a kind of penance.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:26 amThis is excellent advice. Every time I read a stupid post from a righty wingnut, a few of my neurons die laughing. It’s a small enough number that I can afford it for now, but over time I can see where it could become a problem.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 amYou’re astute trollspotter. For some on the right, hatred is their own bizarre pornography. I’m off to bed, I hope I can banish the mental image.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:37 amThat’s my hope as well. Have a good night.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:40 amFox News’s Brit Hume piled on, complaining that it “appears” that the U.S. has now “joined the rest of the world and practicing the diplomacy of talk.”
Hey Hume! – It’s the “diplomacy of diplomacy” – something you obviously know nothing about – “diplomacy of talk” – Haha! I guess that’s like their so called “democrat party” -sticks and stones mr. Hume – labels do not make arguments mr. Hume.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:03 amNothing original to say, huh, Bovine? Completely out of ideas, man, that’s got to be rough.
If only you were a little smarter….. or braver…..
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:41 amYup, lots of people call you Bovine. Very good.
Dude, you couldn’t Chuck Norris your way out of a paper bag. You’re way too much of a coward.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:03 amIt was a stupid phrase when you said it as Mr. Philby. It’s a stupid phrase now. You’re a deeply stupid person. You know it too.
Believe me, Bovine Loves Clowning, the only one who looks stupid here is you. You actually thought LIAMD was a good disguise, what a laugh!
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:08 amDo you even know what the word “debunk” means? You have no idea who I am. I’m just an anonymous poster on the internet who enjoys making you look like the simple minded, cowardly yutz you are.
Liberals aren’t your problem, olbysucker. They’re just the ones you’ve chosen to blame for all your simple minded, cowardly problems.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:19 amYou got beaten down tonight by your betters. You came back to try and get the last word. You couldn’t come up with anything fresh for the last word, so you decided not to be original and posted something you posted before. As I said, olbbysucker, you’re extremely dumb and you’re out of ideas.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:24 amComing from Kristol that’s a compliment.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:26 amDon’t know what “irony” means either, huh?
It makes me smile how you want to insult me just because I’m smarter than you and can bust you on all your pathetic bullshit.
Promise me you won’t cry too hard about it tonight.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:28 amYou should know, and obviously, no one seems to, that the “holiday” Mr. O referred to in greeting the Mullahs has been under assault from the Mullahs who want to abolish it. They consider it anti-islamic and want it replaced by a muslim holy day.
Not so smart if you are trying to make nice, nice with Homodinejad.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:59 amIt’s all around you, buddy. You’re soaking in it.
It’s a lot like how you were so sure that Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight.com had to be wrong about the election just because The Dreaded Keith Olbermann gave him props. And then Silver turned out to be right on the money and reality slapped you down once again. So funny.
“Duh, if me choose Michael Weiner book for my handle, then no one ever know it me!!!” Good plan, genius. Way to represent conservatives.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:14 amLIAMD Says:
You are living proof. You like Hamas, too?
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YOU are living proof that brainwashed morons have too much free time. You Weinerdog worshippers are the stupidest most brainwashed morons on the planet. See it isnt that liberalism is a mental DISORDER it just requires higher brain function to understand and that is sadly far too much for a moron like you to EVER accomplish. Face it you are stupid. You were stupid yesterday, you are stupid today and you will be stupid tomorrow. The Sun will never dawn on the day you inadequate brain is ever going to be able to perform the function IF you are lucky and work hard some day you may be able to RECOGNIZE it but probably not. You are an ignorant piece of garbage and you always will be.
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:54 amBLC Says:
So then you are not only stupid beyond human comprehension but you are a traitor and are advocating treason? No suprise there. You rightwing morons never loved this country you only love power and money.
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:56 amLIAMD Says:
cheerleading for war criminals for eight years,
Hume was “cheerleading” for America. Apparently, you weren’t.
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Another symptom of the monumentally ignorant. No he wasnt. The Bush adminstration was NOT America. No administration IS America anymore than the maids who clean my house ARE my house. They WORK FOR AMERICA. Try to keep up. I mean it is evident you are astonishingly stupid but at least try to make sense. MORON.
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:58 amLIAMD Says: 130
You are ignorant, bigoted, stupid AND brainwashed. Of course. You are a Weinerdog worshipper. Does it hurt to be so stupid? Did you take pills or classes to be so stupid or is it a gift. Dont you ever wish you had some self respect, a functional cerebral cortex or a sense of shame? You are nothing but an ignorant punk troll. Go kill yourself. It is the only thing someone as stupid as you could possibly do to make the world a better place.
March 23rd, 2009 at 5:02 amBLC Says:
and you think I live in a loony bin?
You live in a pathetic existence to say the least.
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YOU define pathetic loser you moronic piece of garbage.
March 23rd, 2009 at 5:04 amBLC Says:
If only you were a little smarter….. or braver…..
Oh, the irony!
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Same trollturd different name. Still too stupid to know what irony IS. What it isnt is a plain statement of FACT like his post was. You are stupid. You are a punk. You are a troll and your ignorance stinks is stinking up the thread.
March 23rd, 2009 at 5:06 amKristol is just plain disgusting. He is just like Rove and Bush a scared little bully boy.
March 23rd, 2009 at 5:39 amIt is embarrassing, and it’s dangerous. Those IranoCommies have been flouridating our water supply in order to destroy our pure essential fluids.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:31 amActually it is Kristol that is weak and embarrassing. He said that after looking in the mirror. He forgot for a moment he was seeing his own reflection. That’s right. Over here Kristol, in the mirror. See, it’s you. The prince of failed conservationism.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:23 pmKristol and his PNAC Cronies still need to answer for 911.
911=Inside Job
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:18 pm