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ThinkFast: March 23, 2009

By Think Progress on Mar 23rd, 2009 at 9:00 am

ThinkFast: March 23, 2009


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Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner will unveil a three-pronged program today for fixing the financial crisis, which “envisions the creation of a series of public-private investments to soak up $500 billion, and maybe as much as $1 trillion, in troubled loans and securities at the heart of the financial crisis.” In a WSJ op-ed, Geithner writes that he is confident that “these policies will work.”

Paul Krugman writes today that, if reports leaked about Geithner’s bank rescue plan are correct, then he “has persuaded President Obama to recycle Bush administration policy — specifically, the ‘cash for trash’ plan proposed, then abandoned, six months ago by then-Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson.” “This is more than disappointing. In fact, it fills me with a sense of despair,” he said.

Foreign firms and governments are increasing their lobbying efforts in Washington and state capitals, hoping to sell “their expertise in clean energy, high-speed transit and other technologies that under gird key aspects of President Obama’s stimulus efforts.” These firms, however, are “proceeding cautiously for fear of stoking nationalistic objections from U.S. lawmakers and their constituents.”

Former DNC Chairman Howard Dean has been named a regular CNBC commentator. He co-hosted CNBC’s “Sqawk Box” this morning.

In an interview with 60 Minutes’ Steve Kroft, President Obama said, “There’s got to be an exit strategy” out of Afghanistan. Saying what was needed “is a comprehensive strategy,” Obama said, “There’s go to be a sense that this is not perpetual drift.”

Also in the interview, Obama “expressed doubt about the constitutionality of a House bill that would impose heavy new taxes on certain Wall Street bonuses, clouding the measure’s future.” “[Y]ou don’t want to be passing laws that are just targeting a handful of individuals,” Obama said. “I think you certainly don’t want to use the tax code to punish people.”

On Friday, “[t]wo dozen black lawmakers angrily stalked out of the Georgia House…amid assertions that a decision by white Republican leaders to delay passage of a resolution honoring President Obama had racist overtones.” Republican lawmakers objected to the resolution’s wording which said Obama has an “unimpeachable reputation for integrity, vision and passion for public service.”

President Obama will speak about the energy portion of his budget at the White House today, highlighting research and development in clean energy. Aides to Obama say that while the administration will work with Congress on the budget, “energy independence is not subject to wheeling and dealing.”

The AP writes that under Hillary Clinton, the State Department is “embracing new media.” In less than three months, “Clinton’s Web efforts already have outpaced those of her predecessors,” including a revamped website and blog, an “ask the Secretary” column, Twitter feed, and YouTube channel.

And finally: For the record, Michelle Obama is not pregnant. Lately, there have been rumors swirling on the Internet that there may soon be another Obama running around the White House. But in a new interview for O Magazine, Oprah says to the First Lady, “Well, you look better than ever – despite the rumors that you’ve got a baby bump.” Laughing, Obama replies, “I know — I was like, ‘Baby bump? As hard as I work on my abs?!‘” She adds that she’s not pregnant and “not planning on it.”

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82 Responses to “ThinkFast: March 23, 2009”

  1. deebaser says:

    FIRST!!!
    (im never at work this early. sorry wont happen again. lol)


  2. deebaser says:

    Former DNC Chairman Howard Dean has been named a regular CNBC commentator. He co-hosted CNBC’s “Sqawk Box” this morning.

    wut? why? huh?


  3. tom says:

    I am beginning to think that Krugman is just a gadfly filled with sour grapes because no one asked him to join this Administration.


  4. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Paul Krugman writes today that, if reports leaked about Geithner’s bank rescue plan are correct, then he “has persuaded President Obama to recycle Bush administration policy…

    You know, I used to be a fan of Paul Krugman, but his childish vendetta against President Obama is getting really tiresome. I’m thinking that he got his feelings hurt that Obama didn’t come to him for financial advice. The thing that really frosts me about his incessant carping on our President is that he never presents an alternative. If he’s so smart, then why hasn’t he come up with a plan of his own.


  5. angels81 says:

    tom, I agree. This is what Paulson should have done with the tarp money right away. We have wasted time and money by waiting this long to attack the toxic assets that has been holding back banks and the market.


  6. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    These firms, however, are “proceeding cautiously for fear of stoking nationalistic objections from U.S. lawmakers and their constituents.”

    As well they should. I doubt that President Obama is going to look outside the US for clean energy alternatives. That is probably going to be one of the areas of job growth that will save this country’s economic system in the long run. If Obama started right off sending it off-shore, he would not survive as President.


  7. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    “[Y]ou don’t want to be passing laws that are just targeting a handful of individuals,” Obama said. “I think you certainly don’t want to use the tax code to punish people.”

    I’m surprised he didn’t mention it’s constitutionality. Passing retroactive laws is not constitutional.

    Article I, section 10, clause 1 of the Constitution provides that no state shall pass any ex post facto law; Article I, section 9, clause 3 imposes the same prohibition upon the federal government.

    An ex post facto law (from the Latin for “after the fact”) or retroactive law, is a law that retroactively changes the legal consequences of acts committed or the legal status of facts and relationships that existed prior to the enactment of the law.

    People have said that “ex post facto” only applies to criminal matters, but I have also read that is not true. That last part of the definition of “ex post facto” would apply to legal contract (”facts and relationships that existed”).


  8. buzzbomb says:

    Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    The unhinged Right, egged on by hate bloggers and AM talkers, let their true feelings out at an anti-Obama rally in Orlando:
    “Obama Bin Lyin’: IMPEACH NOW”

    This is insane! What has Obama done in two months in office to warrant impeachment and eight years of criminal enterprise under Bush didn’t? My god there is some ignorant fear mongers in our country.


  9. Nevar says:

    angels81 Says:

    “… This is what Paulson should have done with the tarp money right away. ”

    Paulson was not installed as Treasury Secretary to solve any problems. He was installed to give away bailouts as quickly as possible before Bush went out the door.


  10. Nevar says:

    “My god there is some ignorant fear mongers in our country.”

    Especially in Orlando.


  11. raynman says:

    President Obama said, “There’s got to be an exit strategy” out of Afghanistan.

    Exit Strategy… first time in a loooonnnnggggg time we’ve heard a President say that and mean it.


  12. deebaser says:

    @5 Im still a fan of PK. Hopefully our President takes the time to consider the criticism and makes his policies stronger. (Its nice actually having a ‘reader’ in office)

    Krugman’s always been a dismal prophet because our economy has been a joke for all of my adult life.


  13. angels81 says:

    I hope you are right raynman, but until I see a exit strategy I’ll be worried. Talk is cheap.


  14. Nevar says:

    caption…

    “Why are they looking at me like that?”


  15. stewarjt says:

    Dr. Krugman is right about Sec. Geithner’s plan. Dr. Dean Baker recommends always following the money to see the beneficiaries of any plan. According to Geithner’s plan, the Treasury money, our money, flows to the wealthy. If troubled asset prices rise, the rich speculators win and if they fall the rich speculators win and the taxpayers pay the difference and lose.

    Take on the merits of the plan rather than accusing Dr. Krugman of an Obama vendetta. President Obama is being poorly advised on this program. He is smart enough to know better. Unlike the last president, he doesn’t have to always do what those who supposedly know more tell him.


  16. angels81 says:

    I’m also a fan of Krugman when it comes to telling us what is wrong with wall street and our economy. He’s not very good when it comes to what we should do to fix it.


  17. PatrioticLiberalChristian says:

    comprehensive strategy out of Afghanistan

    What?! You mean “you’re either with us or against us” and “shock and awe” aren’t comprehensive? You mean we should add tactics like **shudder** diplomacy and **gasp** cooperation with other countries and **horror of all horrors**
    a law enforcement component? What shall we become?

    /snark off


  18. deebaser says:

    Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:

    People have said that “ex post facto” only applies to criminal matters, but I have also read that is not true. That last part of the definition of “ex post facto” would apply to legal contract (”facts and relationships that existed”).

    Calder v. Somedude clearly states that “ex post facto” isn’t applicable in civil cases.

    Im not sure the 90% tax rate on these bonuses is a good idea, but if Rangel did his job, its probably constitutionally airtight.

    Scalia and Thomas are the only complete outright HACKS on the court right now.


  19. angels81 says:

    In Geithner,s plan there is risk involved for the rich who buy into this plan to buy up these toxic assets. There also is a chance they will make a lot of money, which is the draw for them to buy into the plan. Like it or not we have an economy that depends on these money people to help bail us out of the mess they helped make by their greed. I think we have two choices in this matter. Either we the tax payers right off the bad assets or we come up with a plan that gets wall street to buy into the risk with the tax payers. Its a bad deal either way, but Geithner is trying to find the least pain for the tax payer.


  20. deebaser says:

    buzzbomb Says:

    This is insane! What has Obama done in two months in office to warrant impeachment and eight years of criminal enterprise under Bush didn’t? My god there is some ignorant fear mongers in our country.

    ZOMG WHERE’S HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE?!?!?

    IMPEACHZORZ!!!1!!one!!1!


  21. deebaser says:

    angels81 Says:

    In Geithner,s plan there is risk involved for the rich who buy into this plan to buy up these toxic assets. There also is a chance they will make a lot of money, which is the draw for them to buy into the plan. Like it or not we have an economy that depends on these money people to help bail us out of the mess they helped make by their greed. I think we have two choices in this matter. Either we the tax payers right off the bad assets or we come up with a plan that gets wall street to buy into the risk with the tax payers. Its a bad deal either way, but Geithner is trying to find the least pain for the tax payer.

    Well put. Geitner has a rough situation to deal with. Personally I wouldn’t trade places with him for all the AIG bonus money.


  22. ATHEIST says:

    The Obama administration= Bush Lite…


  23. stewarjt says:

    #22. What risk is there for rich people buying “toxic assets?” If prices rise they win. If prices fall, the taxpayer bails them out.


  24. deebaser says:

    Dr. Hussein Matt Says:

    As I stated before, Faux is going to need a dedicated channel that runs 24/7 apologizing for their endless and continuous lies and mistakes.

    You should watch the Glenn Beck 9/12 (The day after 9/11/

    2001

    , get it?) Project. Its up on the Youtubes. Hands down the most unintentionally hilarious bit of right wing crying ive ever seen.

    He cries throughout the entire program like a little girl with a skinned knee.


  25. Marie says:

    U.S. President Barack Obama has held talks with Mikhail Gorbachev, a spokesman for the former Soviet leader said on Monday, in the latest sign of Washington’s efforts to “press the reset button” on ties with Russia.


  26. deebaser says:

    You should watch the Glenn Beck 9/12 (The day after 9/11/2001, get it?)

    I knew i shouldn’t have freehanded them tags. =D


  27. DNFP says:

    deebaser Says:

    FIRST!!!

    And you feel just in asserting that someone else is behaving like a little girl?

    Get over yourself very often, I see not…


  28. angels81 says:

    stewartjt: You need to read the plan. The money tax payers will be laying out are in the forms of loans. If these toxic assets end up being worthless the fat cat stands to lose money. He also still will have to pay back the money the tax payers lend them for the buying up of these assets. This is the worry that Obama and Geithner have, because of the risk they fear that wall street won’t buy in and that leaves it all on the tax payers.


  29. Marie says:

    Ignoramuses in Orlando who cry for impeachment are unbelievably stupid sheep, led by rightwing media hatemongers.
    After two months, what would be the reason for impeachment?
    I think we are in for 4 years or 8 years of the same kind of witch hunt that hounded Bill Clinton.


  30. ATHEIST says:

    Its officially known to all now. The banksters and multinational corporations run this country, not the people.The U.S. Is a aristocracy posing as a democracy.


  31. angels81 says:

    Marie, all these wingnuts believe Obama is not a natural born citizen. Don’t forget Obama was born on Krypton.


  32. stewarjt says:

    # 31, He also still will have to pay back the money the tax payers lend them for the buying up of these assets.

    Why would anyone buy them if, as is certain, their prices will fall? Dr. Krugman says these speculators can just walk away if prices fall. Do you think he doesn’t understand the plan?


  33. angels81 says:

    ATHEIST Says: So, whats new?


  34. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    The trolls are all over the blogs today declaring President Obama’s president “failed” or “dead”. Unfortunately for them, the public doesn’t agree.

    http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/03/is-aig-bonus-blowout-hurting-obama.html

    http://pewresearch.org/pubs/773/fewer-voters-identify-as-republicans


  35. angels81 says:

    stewarjt, yes I don’t think he doesn’t understand the plan. If we do nothing then the tax payer will end up eating these assets anyway. The idea is to get wall street to partner up with tax payers and take part of the risk. I haven’t seen Krugman come up with a better idea.


  36. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    stewarjt Says:
    Dr. Krugman is right about Sec. Geithner’s plan.

    So, if Krugman is right, why is it that he can’t come up with a better plan? As long as Krugman continues to carp on Obama with no alternative solutions, I will continue to view him as someone who is deeply hurt and is on a vendetta (kind of like a 4 year old throwing a tantrum).


  37. angels81 says:

    Should have read do, not don’t. Sorry.


  38. stateofthedivision says:

    One prong of Tim Geithner’s plan could have 97% public money for 3% private. 85% of the total are taxpayer sponsored low interest nonrecourse loans. If the assets turn to junk they simply hand them back to Uncle Sam. America’s shadow banking system wins again!


  39. stewarjt says:

    #39, Dr. Krugman has a better plan. It is here. President Obama is being poorly advised on this.


  40. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    ATHEIST Says:
    The Obama administration= Bush Lite…

    And your proof is? I think we have another “hit and run” troll. What happened, did Becky get kicked out?


  41. stewarjt says:

    #38. You offer a false dilemma. The options aren’t Sec. Geithner’s plan or nothing. Dr. Krugman offered his solution with no taxpayer bailout money here.


  42. angels81 says:

    There is no good solution to this mess. If the assets turn to junk the tax payer will eat it all anyway. I’m not sure were you got your numbers concerning the loans, but by trying to get the greedy bastards that got us into this mess to pickup some of the risk, seems to be a good idea.


  43. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    stewarjt Says:
    #39, Dr. Krugman has a better plan. It is here. President Obama is being poorly advised on this.

    If there is a plan in that editorial it’s lost to me. Perhaps you can tell us what plan Paul Krugman has that is better than the one that Geithner came up with.


  44. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    As far as I can tell Krugman’s only plan is to nationalize everything. In that case we will own all the toxic assets. How is that a better plan?


  45. stewarjt says:

    It is hard to believe that a Nobel Laureate in economics, a Ph.D. from MIT and a tenured professor at Princeton does not understand Sec. Geithner’s plan. As far as I know, Sec. Geithner doesn’t have a doctorate in economics.


  46. stateofthedivision says:

    Geithner’s plan has loans and equity in the public-private partnership. Loans are nonrecourse. The government could supply as much as 80% of the equity, with private investors supplying 20%.

    We’re back to priming the greed and leverage pump. Taxpayers are clearly at risk. I’d like to know the formula for sharing profits, should/when they occur.


  47. angels81 says:

    stewarjt, I read Krugmans no tax payer bailout plan and he is living in a world that we don’t live in. His plan has as much chance in this country as we do of firing everybody on wall street and starting over.


  48. stewarjt says:

    The difference is that with nationalization the stockholder and the wealthy executives who drove the banks into the ground are wiped out and fired respectively. The assets are sold and depositors are guaranteed their money. Dr. Krugman points out this is exactly the plan followed after the S&L disaster of the late 1980’s and early 1990’s.

    The point is with nationalization the already wealthy and powerful are not bailed out AGAIN by the taxpayer.

    Geithner’s plan is helping the already wealthy in order to help the economy rather than just aiding those who need help directly. It is akin to feeding a horse enough oats so that some pass through to the sparrows in the road.

    The working people are the sparrows in the road.


  49. angels81 says:

    One supporter of Geithners plan is Warren Buffet. I would say he has a pretty good idea about how this economy works, just as much or more then Krugman.


  50. stateofthedivision says:

    Wall Street imploded due to greed and leverage. Geithner’s plan is hair of the dog medicine. More shadow banking system greed and government supplied leverage.


  51. stewarjt says:

    #50, So your response is the way you read the plan is not consistent with what you perceive to be reality? Exactly why can’t Dr. Krugman’s plan work?

    Are you saying that if the wealthy, powerful and already well connected don’t benefit as with Sec. Geithner’s plan, then no plan is possible?

    This says way more about for whom the political and economic systems work and in whose interests Sec. Geithner is acting than is does about Dr. Krugman. You appear to be indicting the capitalist system and corresponding public sector apparatus. Please direct your anger there and work to get Dr. Krugman’s plan enacted rather than blame the messenger and supporting Sec. Geithner regardless.


  52. ATHEIST says:

    Why do I keep hearing people say that Krugman doesn’t have a plan when he continuously advocates temporarily taking over the bad banks?


  53. stateofthedivision says:

    If 97% taxpayer money didn’t entice the private equity boys, what else did they want? NYT reported:

    1. Non or limited disclosure
    2. No compensation limits or special tax increases
    3. Clear, unchanging governance rules

    NYT article:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/23/business/economy/23toxic.html?_r=2&hp

    Ny commentary:

    http://peureport.blogspot.com/2009/03/peu-boys-hold-out-for-primo-terms.html


  54. angels81 says:

    You play with the hand you are dealt. Nationalization is not going to happen in this country on the scale Krugaman is talking about and that’s a fact. Its easy for someone who sits in the halls of Harvard or Princeton and muses about the economy.


  55. stewarjt says:

    #56. I take your last post as agreeing the only way to have a bank plan is by helping the wealthy first. There really is nothing more to say. We should all just lay down and let Sec. Geithner’s plan benefiting the already wealthy and powerful pass without opposition.

    I expect more from people here at TP.


  56. stateofthedivision says:

    Nationalization is not going to happen in this country on the scale Krugaman is talking about and that’s a fact.

    In a country ruled by corporations. They’re ready for another round of corporafornication. Geithner’s plan is a sweet deal for the PEU boys (private equity underwriters).


  57. katy says:

    [michele obama] adds that she’s not pregnant and “not planning on it.”

    darn…

    wouldn’t a little obama baby boy be just the perfect cap to it all!


  58. angels81 says:

    ATHEIST Says: You say Krugamn thinks that we take over the bad banks and put them into the hands of Geithner and the fed, but on the other hand Krugman has no trust in Geithner or the fed???


  59. stateofthedivision says:

    For the NYT story citing government investment (loans & equity) could provide 97% of the capital for public-private partnerships, go to:

    NYT:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21/business/21bank.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

    My commentary:

    http://peureport.blogspot.com/2009/03/ppp-ft-pppft.html


  60. annagranfors says:

    Proof, yet again, that we now live in Bizarro World…if sane, we’d have Howard Dean on the coveted 10 PM slot on MSNBC, and Krugman co-hosting “Squawk Box”. (For which he would quickly suggest a non-infantile rename.)


  61. lefttown says:

    Just look at the stock market going up this morning and tell me why the fat cats are lapping up the Geithner plan. Could it be because it benefits them at our expense? We get the risk and they get the reward once again. Are private citizens allowed to bid for these toxic asets? No, it isn’t open to you and me.
    What’s good for Wall Street isn’t good for Main Street. Not anymore.


  62. stateofthedivision says:

    The Carlyle Group stands to make big money again. Their target is 30% annual returns. Think that requires greed and leverage?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aJxUUBXOD7s8&refer=home

    Carlyle Group LP, the world’s second- largest buyout firm, has lined up about $1 billion to invest in banks as the Obama administration seeks to attract private capital to troubled financial institutions, according to two people familiar with the matter.

    Carlyle, based in Washington, plans to raise as much as $3 billion for the new fund this year after initially gathering $600 million in October, said the people, who asked not to be named because the fund is private.

    Follow the money…


  63. stateofthedivision says:

    Profits are to be split 50/50 when the government is providing most of the capital (up to 97%).

    Simply amazing how sweet this deal is for the big money boys.



  64. Fred says:

    Bullshit state. Where do you get that the government will be providing 97% of the investment funds?

    From your times link:

    The plan to be announced next week involves three separate approaches. In one, the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation will set up special-purpose investment partnerships and lend about 85 percent of the money that those partnerships will need to buy up troubled assets that banks want to sell.

    In the second, the Treasury will hire four or five investment management firms, matching the private money that each of the firms puts up on a dollar-for-dollar basis with government money.

    In the third piece, the Treasury plans to expand lending through the Term Asset-Backed Securities Loan Facility, a joint venture with the Federal Reserve.

    You’re an alarmist disiminator or misinformation.


  65. Fred says:

    You’re an alarmist disiminator of misinformation.

    Should have read OF


  66. stateofthedivision says:

    I post links, Fred calls names. I posted the NYT article that states that percentage. Can’t you read? Since you won’t here’s the math.

    CNBC just said the leverage is 6:1 on debt and 20:1 on equity.

    Debt leverage 6 to 1 = (100/7*6 = 85.7%

    That means taxpayers provide up to 85% of the capital for the PPP via loans

    100-85 = 15% equity

    The Geitner plan allows for the government to supply $20 in equity for every $1 in private funding. Once again, the term is up to, it can be less.

    15/21 = .714

    15-.714 = 14.286% Taxpayers could provide 14.3% of the equity, with the private sector ponying up less than 1%.

    So the number could be 99.3% of taxpayer provided capital in Geithern public-private partnerships. It could also be less.

    Recall the profits are split 50/50. That’s a firm number.


  67. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    deebaser Says:
    Calder v. Somedude clearly states that “ex post facto” isn’t applicable in civil cases

    There are many legal scholars who disagree with this. But, you are entitled to your opinion.


  68. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    stewarjt Says:
    The difference is that with nationalization the stockholder and the wealthy executives who drove the banks into the ground are wiped out and fired respectively. The assets are sold and depositors are guaranteed their money. Dr. Krugman points out this is exactly the plan followed after the S&L disaster of the late 1980’s and early 1990’s.

    And you think that today’s financial environment is exactly the same as it was back when the S & L disaster happened? I.DON’T.THINK.SO. Today’s financial world is light years away from what it was in the 1980’s and 1990’s.

    So, if we nationalize all our financial institutions and dump all the “toxic assets”, what happens to all the people on main street whose retirement income is tied up in those toxic assets?


  69. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    stateofthedivision Says: yadda yadda yadda…

    So, since you think you are so brilliant, as is Dr. Krugman, please tell us what Geithner/Obama should do as an alternative to this plan. And keep in mind that the financial world of today is light years away from where we were back when the S&L disaster happened. Also keep in mind that a lot of main street’s retirement money is tied up in these “toxic assets”.

    So, either put up or shut up.


  70. tokin librul says:

    In an interview with 60 Minutes’ Steve Kroft, President Obama said, “There’s got to be an exit strategy” out of Afghanistan.

    Jus’ get on a ship, Chip.
    Flag down a lorry, Maurie.
    Catch the first plane, Jane.
    Hop in a taxi, Maxie.
    Get on a truck, Chuck.
    Follow that tank, Hank.


  71. tokin librul says:

    In this case, Chinese condoms.
    That’s the dilemma for the folks at the U.S. Agency for International Development, which has distributed an estimated 10 billion U.S.-made AIDS-preventing condoms in poor countries around the world.
    But not anymore.

    What kind of moron would use a chinese condom? It’d be filled with melamine, which is great for dinnerware, but contraception? Ahdunthinso…


  72. backup says:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/20/business/20bailout.html

    Obama is right about this:

    “I think that, as a general proposition, you don’t want to be passing laws that are just targeting a handful of individuals,” he said. “I think you certainly don’t want to use the tax code to punish people.”

    The people at AIG don’t deserve the bonus money. We should find a way to get it back.

    The problem is that you don’t want to set a precedent that the government can use tax policy to single out individuals. Government should not be given that power.


  73. stateofthedivision says:

    Bilbo,

    If Bush proposed this plan, TP and its enforcers would be all over it.

    I wouldn’t restart greed and leverage. I wouldn’t put poisoned Tylenol back on the shelf. I wouldn’t restart securitization. America needs to return to producing sound, quality financial products.

    We have $13 trillion in interventions and banks still aren’t loaning? President Obama just said those words on my television.

    The endless corporate giveaways are disturbing. This is the latest round.

    If you discount Krugman, a Nobel Prize winning economist, I’m sure you’ll discount this response. Yada, yada, yada.


  74. stateofthedivision says:

    Here’s the other way of looking at it:

    Private investment firms must put up at least 5% of the equity.

    85% debt
    15% equity

    Taxpayers 95% of equity. This equals 15 * .95 = 14.25%

    Private investment firms 5% of equity or 15 * .05 = 0.75%

    Profits split 50/50, not based on equity contributions. What a great deal for private investment firms. PIMCO’s Bill Gross expects returns in the teens, 13% or greater, from the PPP’s.


  75. wags says:

    It does seem to stink more the more we hear about it. My biggest misgiving about Obama’s being elected (and I was and still am a strong supporter) was that he would not repudiate the neoliberal corporate-friendly policies that have been in place for decades now, regardless of who’s in the White House.

    I still hope to be wrong on this point.



  76. wags says:

    Thanks for that article link. Enlightening and terrifying all at once.


  77. Fontsdeleon says:

    Obama,like Bush is no friend of humanity. He’s the new face of the New World Order.


  78. stateofthedivision says:

    “This ambitious program is structured in a way to attract private capital and help banks sell distressed or toxic assets,” said David Marchick, head of government and regulatory affairs at Washington-based Carlyle Group, a closely held private-equity firm.

    Lawrence Summers, the White House National Economic Council Director, said in a Bloomberg Television interview today that investors in the new debt plan wouldn’t be subject to compensation restrictions applied to banks rescued by the government.

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aRcyfBHs2JZ0&refer=home

    Marchick is an ex-Clinton White House staffer. He works at Carlyle alongside fellow Clinton employees, Mack McLarty (senior adviser), Chris Ullman, William Kennard, and Charles Rossotti.


  79. stateofthedivision says:

    Reuters reported on the problem of second mortgages in redoing mortgage loans:

    Bank of America held $148 billion in second liens at the end of last year, while JPMorgan Chase held $131.4 billion and Wells Fargo & Co. held $129.9 billion, according to Inside Mortgage Finance.

    Treasury officials promised that they will present a payment schedule to buy out second liens but they have not yet released details.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE52M66120090323?pageNumber=1&virtualBrandChannel=0


  80. stateofthedivision says:

    Carlyle Group co-founder David Rubenstein told Robert Wenzel that Carlyle needs a 20% rate of return to participate in Geithner’s public-private partnership plan.



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