I Was Followed, Harassed, And Ambushed By Bill O’Reilly’s Producer
I Was Followed, Harassed, And Ambushed By Bill O’Reilly’s Producer
On March 1, ThinkProgress picked up on a story by News Hounds, which noted that Fox News host Bill O’Reilly — who has made controversial comments about rape victims in the past — was slated to speak at a March 19 fundraiser for the Alexa Foundation. The group is committed to supporting rape survivors.
Our post — which never criticized the Alexa Foundation — highlighted the fact that in the past, O’Reilly has implied that women who dress in a certain way or consume too much alcohol should perhaps expect to be raped. Here is what he said on his radio show on Aug. 2, 2006, about Jennifer Moore, an 18-year-old woman who was raped and murdered:
Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She’s walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she’s out of her mind, drunk.
O’Reilly’s comments about Moore were part of a larger segment about the dangers of drunkenness. His other example was Mel Gibson going on a drunken tirade and yelling anti-Semitic comments. “I think it’s safe to say that if Mel Gibson didn’t get drunk, he wouldn’t be in this terrible situation he finds himself in,” said O’Reilly. “And if a young woman, 18-year-old Jennifer Moore of Harrington Park, NJ, didn’t get drunk, she’d be alive today.”
This weekend, while on vacation, I was ambushed by O’Reilly’s top hit man, producer Jesse Watters, who accosted me on the street and told me that because I highlighted O’Reilly’s comments, I was causing “pain and suffering” to rape victims and their families. He of course offered no proof to back up this claim, instead choosing to shout questions at me.
I expect O’Reilly to air this “interview” at some point this week, possibly as early as tonight. I have no expectation that he will show the entire altercation or give the entire story about what happened, so here is the full account, offering a glimpse inside the O’Reilly harrassment machine:
– The Stalking: Watters and his camera man accosted me at approximately 3:45 p.m. on Saturday, March 21, in Winchester, VA, which is a two-hour drive from Washington, DC. My friend and I were in this small town for a short weekend vacation and had told no one about where we were going. I can only infer that the two men staked out my apartment and then followed me for two hours. Looking back, my friend and I remember seeing their tan SUV following us for much of the trip.
– The Ambush: Shortly after checking into our lodgings, we emerged and immediately saw two men walking toward us calling out my name. Watters said he was from Fox News, but never said his or his companion’s name, nor did he say he was with The O’Reilly Factor.
– The Surprise Attack: Watters immediately began asking me why I was causing “pain and suffering” to the Alexa Foundation. He never gave me the context for his questions. Confused, I repeatedly asked him what he was talking about and whether he could refresh my memory, but he just continued shouting his question.
– The Evasion: I said that it was inappropriate for O’Reilly to imply that just because a woman may be drunk and/or dressed in a certain way, she should expect to be raped. Watters asked me whether I had listened to the interview (which I had) and claimed that O’Reilly had made the comments in the context of a commentary on Mel Gibson/drunkenness. When I tried to ascertain why he was attacking ThinkProgress in particular — even though other sites had also covered the story — he said that we were part of the “smear pipeline,” which also included the “Soros-funded” Media Matters. He ignored my comments when I asked if Fox News also smears people.
– Setting A Guilt Trap: Watters ended the charade by demanding that I look into the camera and apologize to the Alexa Foundation and rape victims. I told them that I don’t speak through Fox News and if someone from the Alexa Foundation would like to personally call me, I’d be happy to speak with that person.
– More Stalking: The camera man then continued to film me as I walked down the block. After a few minutes while I waited at the light to cross the street, Watters called him back and they left.
This weekend, we contacted Watters and Loren Hynes, who works in Media Relations at Fox. We have yet to receive a response from them, or anyone else at the network, on Saturday’s incident.
The main issue remains: O’Reilly should offer an apology/explanation of why, when a woman is raped and murdered, it’s relevant what she was wearing or how much she was drinking. O’Reilly never asked me for a statement nor invited me on his show before sending Watters to harass me. Since I’m a 5 ft, 100 pound woman with an opinion that he doesn’t like, perhaps O’Reilly believes I deserve to be treated this way.
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Sounds like a job for Keith Olbermann! Loofas loofas loofas!
Release the hounds!
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 amO’Reilly is a freaking idiot.
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:44 amDoesn’t seem to be much difference between Bill O’Reilly and Howard Stern, does there?
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:48 amI suppose if I were in this business, I’d have a camcorder in my car for these kinds of things. Just to turn it into a videotaping war.
It would be interesting if Mr. Watters suddenly found himself getting the same treatment. Imagine an ambush thwarted when the “victim” he is ambushing him pulls out a camcorder or video camera and ambushes him right back. That would be priceless.
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:53 amYou should have taken a leaf out of Olbermann’s book and asked what Andrea Markis was wearing when Bill O’Reilly harrassed her. (Allegedly!!)
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:53 amLet’s not forget Bill’s whining about paparazzi for the stars. You know, the harassment they get. That type of stalking is bad. This kind is different! Jackass.
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:54 amTalk about thugs, O’Reilly excels at being a bully, but can’t bear to examine his own behavior. This has become the mindset of the new 23% Repuke party.
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:54 amIs O’Reilly constantly drunk or is he just an a-hole?
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 amThere are a number of absurdities that leave me somewhat mind-boggled here.
1. A news team that tails somebody who isn’t a fugitive and isn’t going out of their way to be evasive, but is just trying to enjoy a weekend off? This is the way the National Enquirer gets their “news”, not a mainstream network. On the other hand, we ARE talking about Fox News here.
2. Bill O’Reilly just doesn’t get it when it comes to rape. If a guy is walking down the street drunk, and he happens to have his wallet provocatively protruding out of his back pocket, should he “expect” to have his wallet stolen? Should he “expect” to get killed for it? I think most people would say that crimes like theft, rape, and murder are still crimes and that victims don’t “expect” them. I think Bill could have said that certain behaviors aren’t too smart, and may invite the attentions of somebody with evil intentions as an easy mark, but making ANY suggestion that a victim “deserves” or “expects” a crime is way over the top.
3. When Bill says something bone-headed, he would actually get more respect if he would own up to it and apologize, instead of sending out his hit squad to bully his critics. That’s the mark of a small, small person.
4. So ThinkProgress now has Bill O’Reilly scared enough to send out his intimidation squad? While I certainly don’t think Amanda deserved what she got, I’m kind of impressed that Bill’s afraid of TP.
5. What IS it with the phrase “Soros-funded”, anyway? Why is this a bad thing?
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:58 amI am sorry that this happened to you. Following you? How desperate are they? You are correct, just because you dress a certain way, or drink too much, you should not then, be raped.
This is just not acceptable behavior, but I am sure Bill thinks it is just fine.
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:59 amIt’s amazing how deluded you’d have to be to pull this paparazzi/tabloid crap and still have an ego that cries out for Edward R. Murrow style recognition. What a scumbag.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:02 amIt’s obvious that the point of these “interviews” is to create a sensational event, not do any real reporting. Fox News is happy to pay for a stakeout, a tail, and a film crew, but somehow doesn’t want to pay for a phone call to ask you the same questions?
You’ve done well to expose O’Reilly’s weak antics.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:04 amWait! I thought O’rally ignored the radical left wing blogs?
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:05 amSo….you’re a women, eh? What were you wearing?
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:05 amMaybe you deserved to be harassed, eh? Boy, you women….
eegads… i would imagine that incident put a real damper on the rest of your vacation…
the creepiest part, to me, is that they followed you from your apartment… but creeps are like that…
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:08 amIsn’t stalking a crime in itself? Time for Mr.Loofah’s integrity to be called into serious question.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:11 amBrava, Amanda, for shining a light on this. Perhaps if somebody says something EVERY time O’Reilly sends out his merry band of thugs, people would see him for the jerkwad he is. It would be interesting to see if his stature would drop like Joe McCarthy’s did after America saw him for who he really was.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:12 amThe antiquated concept that women who choose to engage in a basic freedom like deciding what to wear (hello??) are somehow “asking for violence” is absurd and antiquated.
But then again, Billy O’Loofah is an american antique at this point. He’s so totally out of touch with reality that he’s become an american laughingstock.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:13 amI like what misshusseinmolly said about this harassment being a sign of the importance of ThinkProgress to Fox and O’Rielly. Aside from the crudeness of it all, I suggest you take this as a mark of progress and influence and leverage that! What you say obviously makes a difference so keep saying it! ;)
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:13 amAmanda, congratulations on the good work. For Fox to attack you like that, you must have done very good work.
Is there any connection between Soros and TP? I’ve never heard of it. How about Murdoch and his connections?
Their reasoning about rape victims “asking for it” is just plain crazy. Also, anyone making anti-Semitic slurs when they are drunk is also anti-Semitic when they are sober. It is not caused by alcohol.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:13 amBill O’Reilly is an american embarrassment. He’s an antiquated jerkoff.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:13 amSounds like you handled it well and didn’t give them any footage to take our of context.
It’s pretty creepy that they would go to all the trouble of stalking someone without first calling them on the phone to discuss the issue. Why can’t they just schedule an interview?
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:14 amsomeone should lure this idiot onto someone’s property in Texas……then start shooting for tresspassing and ask questions later.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:15 amDr. Hussein Matt says:
Amanda, if Bill O’reilly stalks you just remember Olbermann’s Rules of O’Reilly Engagement:
Mention: falafels, Andrea Mackris, vibrators,
And loofas! Don’t forget the loofas!
Billo is nothing but a low-life coward!
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:17 amKick’em in the balls…
Even if they work for Brillo, the falaffel man, they’re bouhnd to have a vestigial nutsack.
Just kick’em in the balls.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:18 amI would have thought they abandoned this practice after Bill Moyers humiliated the infamous ‘Stalker Producer’ at a media convention.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:18 amNext time anyone encounters something like this—-pull out your cell phone and start recording. Also good for police brutality.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:19 amAndrea Mackris!!!
Google loud and proud Orallys Sexual Harrassment suit he settled out of court!
The Loofah Falafel King has no clothes as usual.
Andrea Mackris!!!
OK to Post/Repost
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:20 amI suggest you take out a restraining order against Bill and his minions, and sue for the loss of your weekend, and grievous personal distress! It would create public awareness that the Clown and his minions engage in this kind of behavior. Just a few weeks ago, Billo was all outraged that Good Morning America “ambushed” young Levi Johnson. It’s time to hit this hypocrite where he lives, and since you can’t kick him in the crotch, head for the wallet.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:20 amI would consider pressing charges. This is certainly harrassment and I think it’s reasonable to assume that you were in physical danger. One day one of these jerks is going to lose control and somebody is going to get hurt. It is sinister in the extreme that his companion had to be called off. Threat of legal action might be enough to dissuade these idiots in future.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:23 amO’Reilly says “all right” a lot – a sure sign that he is not. I look forward to the time when someone he interviews responds to his “all right” with “no, Bill, you are not at all right”.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:25 amWhat IS it with the phrase “Soros-funded”, anyway? Why is this a bad thing?
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:25 amI think it’s code language for “international Jewish bankers”. One of those dog whistle phrases.
“Since I’m a 5 ft, 100 pound woman with an opinion that he doesn’t like, perhaps O’Reilly believes I deserve to be treated this way.”
well said.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:26 amDISGUSTING!
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:26 amMr. OReilly is a true Patriot! Only once did he allow a woman to take his essence, but I’m sure that he now only drinks rain water or distilled water.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:27 amYes. That’s what I mean. That female human tried to take Mr. OReilly’s pure essential fluids.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 amSpread the news of this far & wide & make sure in particular it gets to the Olbermann/Maddow folks toute suite. The purpose of harrassing you in this way isn’t just sensational footage for Fixed News & Bill Orally, but to intimidate you into shutting up any criticism about all things Billo.
Don’t let them win.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:29 amPeople need to start listening to keith and immediately mention Andreas Mackris – drag her name into the interview and ruin it. Ruin their tape. If you mention her as O’Reilly’s victim they can never use it.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:30 amHopefully Keith will cover it tonight.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:30 amA couple of points I’d like to address, if I may.
First, Amanda, I am so sorry you were “stalked” and “harassed”. No one, enjoying their day off, should be attacked like that. Watters and his cameraman are no different than the predators.
But, to spin a positive into this, at least you’ve irked the higher ups at Faux news. As much as they try to spin the left as insignificant, you, Amanda, are not! And they’re frightened. Frightened enough to stalk you, and more than likely, edit and splice the footage to discredit you. DO NOT BACK DOWN from these idiots.
As for O’rally’s talking points. Alcohol is a depressant, and drops our inhibitions. Do you NOT think Mel Gibson harbored those bigoted thoughts, only hiding them deep in his soul, only to be let out under the influence?
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:31 amAnd poor Jennifer Moore. Yes she probably was intoxicated, and dressed provocatively. So what? That did not give the rapist the green light. Never has, never will. And I’ll let you, O’rally, in on a little secret. If Ms. Moore had been a Muslim, over dressed to her eyes, and completely sober, walking down that particular street at night, guess what? The sick individual would still have raped her. Because it consider itself a predator, waiting for a victim. Any victim.
And, once a sexual predator, always a sexual predator.
Ain’t that right, Bill-O?
Sen. Al Franken and Keith Olbermann have BillO nailed. He is a bully. He harasses short women like Ms. Merkel and Janeanne Garofalo, but doesn’t dare even look at Olbermann when they’re in the same room.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:31 amDo It Live!
O’Reilly is a joke but I appreciate his show. It helps me identify people (his fans) as idiots.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:37 amStewarjt: Jeaneanne Garofalo could kick Billo’s a$$…and I’m thinking that Ms. Merkel probably could too (or at least make him cry)…
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:37 amJesse Watters had a dog
and Billo was his name-o
B-I-L-L-O, B-I-L-L-O, B-I-L-L-O
and Billo was his name-o.
Two curs: Watters and O’Lielly
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:38 amThere is no small irony that the alcoholic sexual predator Billo is attacking victims for his projected shortcomings. He is an embarrassment to manhood and a fitting emblem of the banality and evil that is Fox news.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:39 amGreat macho intellect that O’Reilly displays when unable to debate someone or something on its merits.
If you disagree with him, then you must be un-American and a pinhead.
Simple as that.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:43 amstewarjt Says:
Sen. Al Franken and Keith Olbermann have BillO nailed. He is a bully. He harasses short women like Ms. Merkel and Janeanne Garofalo, but doesn’t dare even look at Olbermann when they’re in the same room.
I think you mean Ms. Terkel unless I missed something about a Ms. Merkel!
I wonder when and where Jesse Watters will be on holidays next. Each day of his holiday he should be similarly accosted. But, each day it’s by different people. Let’s see how fair and balanced he would think that is.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:45 amEngaging this Watters guy in any way validates what he is doing. Don’t speak, don’t even deny or ask him to leave you alone. And for god’s sake don’t set up a moral equivalency with Fox news. Don’t even give him a “no comment.” When are people going to realize this? Anything that comes out of your mouth will be used by them. I’d either stare at him blankly while he yells at you or walk away.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:46 ammk3872 Says:
Great macho intellect that O’Reilly displays when unable to debate someone or something on its merits.
And we have BLC as an example of the macho intellect of his followers.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:47 amNo trolls to defend the journalistic cojones of Bildo’reilly?
Could they possibly have some sense of decency? It’s a long shot, I know, but why draw the line here? Torture – yes, stalking -no?
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:48 amIt seems to me that the Alexa Foundation should get a lawyer to sue the shit out of FAUX News. Who gave O’Wierdly the right to hire folks who took the effort to do this, was it Alexa, I think not, so someone else acted as an agent for them.
That to me looks like lots of bucks.
Plus there is a tape to follow!
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:48 amBSLC,
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:49 amAnd you contribution to this quite important subject is…..
what exactly?
Oops. There’s our friendly multi-named troll, right on cue.
But of course, he’s not defending Bildo. He’s simply exposing his lifelong man-crush.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:49 amPosts #54 & #55.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:50 amI smell diapers. Is the baby raper here?
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:52 amralph, there’s a troll here, BLC. He’s so lame though he’s easy to miss.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:53 amRalph, do you mean that there must be someone here who is an O’Wierdly apoligist. Do ya think he can sell a truck load of loofas
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:53 amDayum, I thought Archie would be back to school after it’s spring break.
I thought wrong.
Or maybe he’s just home schooled, and his mom sleeps in most of the day???
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:54 amPurple State is right. Get yourself a Flip MinoHD for $200. It’s small enough to fit in your pocket and the video quality is excellent. Next time the jerks pull this crap you’ll be prepared.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:54 amThis sounds absurd enough to be a Daily Show segment….in fact, it is!
The Daily Show skewers O’Reilly’s hypocrisy over right-to-privacy…unless he wants to smear someone who disagrees with him..
O’Reilly is a cognitive dissonant cartoon….a bipolar Wile E. Coyote.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:55 amMight the ambush have someting to do with having authored the piece that dishonestly implied that O’Reilly blamed a woman for getting raped, when what he said was that she was irresponsible in being out alone late at night and being drunk? Stating the fact that she made herself a target is hardly the same as saying she is responsible or deserved to be raped. Everyone agrees that a woman should be able walk the street naked at 2:00am without fear of being touched, but that’s not the reality of the world in which we live. Are the police blaming the victim when they tell women not to walk alone at night and to always be aware of their surroundings?
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:57 amO’Reilly is overly pleased with himself and possibly guilty of sexual harrassment. That doesn’t make it ok to be dishonest in writing about him.
Apparently the Alexa Foundation cares more about its finances than the well being of women.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:58 amO’Reilly’s comments were insensitive. What sounds like common sense advice (don’t wear suggestive clothing or drink too much because it puts you in jeopardy) is a huge slap in the face to the rape victims parents. And what happened to Ms. Moore could have happened to anyone. It was not her fault. She and her friend aren’t morons.
O’Reilly seem to be picked to speak, because, despite this insensitive comment he spends a lot of time promoting Jessica’s law:
http://www.palmbeachdailynews.com/news/content/news/2009/03/21/oreilly0322.html
Using the tactic where you trail someone to get an interview they don’t want to give is lame, sensational, and tabloid.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:00 pmupright left, the dead woman didn’t make herself a target. The murderer made her a target. You are as dumb as O’Reilly.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:01 pmBLC Says:
It seems to me that the Alexa Foundation should get a lawyer to sue the shit out of FAUX News.
“Why would they do that, dumb ass. O’Reilly just spoke at a fundraiser for them on Sat night.”
I can tell by your statement that you don’t know shinola, but I will try and tell inform you why foundations may not want to have anything to do with someone who they can’t control like those jerks who got up in a public place and claimed they were someone, they weren’t.
Nah, you won’t understand, so why should I go on?
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:01 pmI’m sure Bildo justifies it with that interpretation, but the piece hardly “dishonestly implied’ what you described. It was pretty straightforward and it doesn’t take much of a leap, especially given Bildo’s history with women, to see the blame he assigns to the victim.
“irresponsible in being out alone late at night and being drunk” is a pretty clear assignation of blame.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:04 pmI hope that Think Progress will officially contact The It Happened To Alexa Foundation and explain to them that their association with someone (Bill O’Reilly) who condones and encourages the harassment of women and of anyone who does not agree with him and/or refuses to go on his commercial television show in order to be badgered and bullied is counterproductive. O’Reilly’s tactics in “promoting” Jessica’s Law (and promoting his own television show) have also been disreputable and involve ambushing and harassing judges and lawmakers in order to shame and humiliate them. he is very willing to have his producers do this at a subject’s home, in front of their children. It’s all about ratings.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:06 pmBill will now have his interns clip irate comments from this site in order to bolster his claim that Think Progress is a “hate site.”
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:07 pmThe Author is lucky to be alive. With all the open missing persons cases and O’Reilly’s mobsters running around with “fascist cooperation”, this story might have turned out differently.
Questioning the communist sex offender O’Reilly is a dangerous proposition!
Here are my two favorite links that just cannot get enough exposure!
http://antifeds.com/bill-oreilly-goes-absolutely-crazy
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/1013043mackris1.html
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:07 pmMr. Watters must realize that if he continues to work for Fox, he is unlikely to find a real, legitimate job. That of course would be the ideal end. But as long as there is a Murdoch type media whore, there will always be a place for the kind of trash that is Fox network.
As for that Alexa Foundation, they pass understanding. How they could have a man like O’Reilly speak for them, says volumes about who and what they are. They do not represent any legitimate cause. If they did, they would not have an O’Reilly speaking for them. I would not under any circumstances contribute to them, nor recognize the legitimacy of their organization. He is a subhuman, loud mouth, braggart with an exaggerated opinion of his own worth and importance. And one day the world will continue to spin and life will go on happily without him.
They wanted someone famous and they thought it did not matter who, as long as it was a recognizable name. And they did not bother to vet him. If they had given this decision a modicum of serious thought they might have decided otherwise. The fact that they did not says it all.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:08 pmThere’s an aspect of O’Reilly’s comments that bears posting. O’Reilly’s penchant for Monday-morning quarterbacking reveals his bald contempt for victims of horrific crimes. The Jennifer Moore piece cited above began like this:
Imagine being the parents of Moore and having some sanctimonious @sshat maligning your daughter and her tragedy to gin up ratings. O’Reilly’s contempt is barely contained in the story and unconscionable.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:13 pmIt’s classy that our friend upright left thinks O’Reill’ys producer stalking a woman on a weekend outing is justified.
After all, she disagreed with him.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:14 pm18 words:
“You do not have permission to film me or use my likeness, words, or voice on the air.”
Repeat as needed.
It would serve us all well to practice those 18 words so they’ll be an automatic reaction to any reporter who has not set up an official interview ahead of time.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:16 pm______
Shayne Says:
upright left, the dead woman didn’t make herself a target. The murderer made her a target. You are as dumb as O’Reilly.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
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So you wouldn’t tell your own daughter not to be out walking alone in a city at 2:00am?
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:16 pmWhat amazes me about O’lielly and his brain-dead followers is that he blames Jennifer Moore for getting raped and murdered. In his world she was in the wrong place at the wrong time wearing the wrong clothes and behaving in the wrong way. Nowhere does he mention the responsibility of the male perpetrator.
Some Muslim countries have laws that forbid women from going anywhere alone at any time – and these right wing rabid dogs rail on about how awful that is. Yet, in America we have the same unwritten rules – if you get raped and killed that’s your punishment for not obeying the rules that say women are fair game when they’re in the wrong place at the wrong time. No mention of the mostly male perpetrators of these crimes.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:18 pmSo you wouldn’t tell your own daughter not to be out walking alone in a city at 2:00am?
Her ride had been towed and because of our draconian underage consumption laws she was scared to go to the authorities or to call her parents… she didn’t plan to be walking alone at night- she just had nowhere else to go… that’s not stupid, that’s sad.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:19 pmBill’s comments were both stupid and sad.
I agree with “upright left’s” comments above. I’m not a Bill-O fan by any stretch of the imagination, but when I read his comments, it appears more that he’s saying that poor choices contributed to her tragic outcome. I don’t see anywhere that he says she deserved it, which she clearly didn’t, but that she placed herself in risky circumstances, only exacerbated by the intoxication and the eye-candy clothing. Taking away Bill-O’s arrogant, authoritarian-bully delivery, along with his egregious insensitivity to this poor woman’s personal tragedy, I do agree with him that a young woman needs to be much more careful with her choices. It’s a fact that women are victimized most often when they are alone. It also could be argued that a provocatively dressed woman could be at higher risk of being targeted by an attacker. That NEVER means they deserve it, just that they carry most of the burden of keeping themselves safe from predators in a very dangerous world.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm______
ralph the wonder llama Says:
It’s classy that our friend upright left thinks O’Reill’ys producer stalking a woman on a weekend outing is justified.
After all, she disagreed with him.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:14 pm
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Of course, I didn’t say it was justified; only suggested that they might have felt justifed because of dishonest reporting. Never let the truth get in your way, eh ralphie? ;)
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:21 pmO’reilly seems like a rapist too.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:21 pmI’m quite sure any parent would give that advice to their daughter or son.
The logical extension of your comment is that her rape and murder is thus her own fault. Given that these circumstances were dwelled upon by O’Reilly in his “reporting”, and that, as hanshiro helpfully pointed out, O’Reilly began the piece by calling her and her friend “moronic girls”, one might reasonably get the impression that he was blaming her for her rape and murder.
Hardly “dishonest” as you commented in your original defense of this stalking.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:26 pm______
belac Says:
So you wouldn’t tell your own daughter not to be out walking alone in a city at 2:00am?
Her ride had been towed and because of our draconian underage consumption laws she was scared to go to the authorities or to call her parents… she didn’t plan to be walking alone at night- she just had nowhere else to go… that’s not stupid, that’s sad.
Bill’s comments were both stupid and sad.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
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What happened to the girl is tragic. Your failure to admit that she bore any responsibility for any of her poor choices is foolish. Do we have any responsibility for ourselves whatsoever?
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:28 pmAs a newspaper reporter, I have to take issue with Ms. Terkel’s description of this event on Saturday, March 21st. As a professional journalist, she should know that there is nothing illegal or unethical about approaching someone on a street or other public place and attempting to conduct an on-camera interview with them.
Obviously, FOX should have called her and attempted to arrange an interview. However, it is obvious that for purely theatrical purposes they wanted to confront Ms. Terkel while she was not working. While this approach is totally classless and designed to create a false sense of drama, there is nothing illegal about it. It’s just cheap and tawdry, which is what FOX is about anyways.
But aside from the silliness of it, there is absolutely nothing wrong with approaching a journalist on the the street or in a public place and attempting to conduct an interview with them about their own reporting. It comes with the territory of being a journalist.
Cheers.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:28 pmAnd I’m certain that the mother of the murderer told him not to go out killing young girls. Do you have a point?
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:30 pm94. upright left Says: So you wouldn’t tell your own daughter not to be out walking alone in a city at 2:00am?
It a safe bet Moore’s father told her the same thing. Your, and O’Reilly’s, contention apparently is that she is at fault for being raped because she dressed for an evening out, found herself without a car, and the penalty for that error, according to you…
..is death.
The point is, the penalty for simple mistakes should not be rape and murder. O’Reilly’s Monday-morning quarterbacking is the domain of clueless idiots.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:30 pmAngry troll is angry. Too bad he’s such a coward.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:31 pmEndTheGOP – O’Reilly has a history of blaming the victim. Revisit his comments about the child victim:
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O’REILLY: The kidnapping of those two boys should be front-page news in your house if you have kids. I actually hope I’m wrong about Shawn Hornbeck. I hope he did not make a conscious decision to accept his captivity because Devlin made things easy for him. No school, play all day long.
O’REILLY: This is what I believe happened in the Hearst case and in this case. The situation that Hearst found herself in was exciting. She had a boring life. She was a child of privilege. All of a sudden, she’s in with a bunch of charismatic thugs, and she enjoyed it. The situation here for this kid looks to me to be a lot more fun than what he had under his old parents. He didn’t have to go to school. He could run around and do whatever he wanted.
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O’TReilly hires producers to harass individuals at their homes or their places of work for no other reason than they refuse to come on his commercial talk show and help him make money. He is not a governmental agency or a branch of law enforcement, but he is indignant when people do not agree to appear and be badgered.
Thus, his comments about the the way the woman dressed and her “stupid” decisions are part of a much larger, longer pattern. His motive in accosting Ms.Terkel was an attempt at revenge and retribution, part of O’Reilly’s paranoid Nixonian egotism, not anything in any constructive.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:33 pmNo,. in fact you didn’t “just say they might have felt justified’.
here’s what you said:
No mention there of O’Reilly “feeling” that the report was dishonest. That was your assertion.
No mention of any misgivings with the stunt by O’Reilly’s producer stalking Amanda. (The “possibly guilty of sexual harassment” could be a reference to this incident, but it could just as likely refer to the Andrea Makris incident.)
A straightforward reading of your post has none of the subtlety to which you retreat when your defense of O’Reilly is examined. It’s a pretty naked rationalization of the reasons for this encounter.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:33 pmRegarding Jennifer Moore, O’Reilly says: “So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning.”
That phrasing tells you everything you need to know about O’Reily: he refers to a female victim as an object, a “that.”
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:33 pmYour failure to admit that she bore any responsibility for any of her poor choices is foolish. Do we have any responsibility for ourselves whatsoever?
No- I recognize that she made some poor choices but none of them warranted her rape an murder. Your continued defense of Bill O’s boorishness is foolish. I’ve waked home drunk, haven’t you? If I had been stabbed in my walk home I’d blame the attacker, wouldn’t you? We should discuss how to improve safety for other kids like this girl, but we should not take the lesson that she was ‘foolish’ and therefore partly ‘responsible’ for her rape and murder.
Your ‘personal responsibility’ seems like a dodge… the girl didn’t deserve this and we should all work to make sure that other girls don’t experience something similar, no matter their ‘choices.’
Do we have any responsibility to each other whatsoever?
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 pmAnd your failure to admit that her rapist and murderer had a pretty large hand in the outcome is predictable and sad.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:35 pmuptight cleft Says:
What happened to the girl is tragic. Your failure to admit that she bore any responsibility for any of her poor choices is foolish. Do we have any responsibility for ourselves whatsoever?
I see where you’re coming from, uppie. Just as it was previously pointed out by hanshiro that the girls were “moronic” according to O’rally, that they should bear somewhat responsibility.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:36 pmHey, let’s use current events, shall we?
Those poor children who lost their lives in a tragic plane crash? Well, they were defying the laws of gravity, and should have known better.
Those poor police officers who were ambushed and murdered in Oakland? Well, they knew that the job was dangerous when they signed up.
They were being irresponsible, eh?
What a fcked up isolated world you must live in. Do you suffer from anxiety disorders and spend most of your time avoiding the world outside?
NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED, TORTURED, AND MURDERED! No matter how “irresponsible” you think they were!!!!
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joe cantwell Says:
you forgot the link, uppie.
:|
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
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I didn’t forget it, bud. It’s in the first line above. You remember, the original TP post on this matter a couple of weeks ago. You posted several times, so I was reasonably sure you knew exactly where to find it. ;)
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:37 pm112. BLC Says: Progressives don’t believe in that. It’s much easier to just point the finger.
We don’t make heroes out of dry-drunks, drug addicts and sex offenders who have all pointed the fingers at others or bought their way out trouble rather than taking responsibility for their actions…their clear, sober choices.
Oxycontin…someone else’s prescription mind you…for a fishing trip with the boys in the Dominican Republic? Where’s the personal responsibility?
Settling out-of-court for sexual harassment? Where’s the personal responsibility?
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:37 pmSettling out-of-court for sexual harassment? Where’s the personal responsibility?
A good question, hanshiro… upright left?
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:37 pmLCA Says:
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Exactly, so much easier to defend the raping and killing of a “that” than an actual, living human being.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:38 pmBLC Says:
LOL! What a crying hypocrite!
Why yes! Yes you are a crying hypocrite, archie/habib/rebecca loco/blc.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:38 pmBill O’ once told how much he enjoyed a backroom sex show in Bangkok. What? The frontroom show wasn’t enough for you?
p.s.: He never lived in Levittown and his family was not middle-class (upper 10%).
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:39 pmI would have relieved the cameraman of his camera and pummeled Watters into unconsciousness. Any resulting assault charges would have been worth it.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:40 pmIf she was driving drunk and killed herself she was responsible. It is people like you who have sons and justify their bad behavior who are responsible for creating rapists and murderers.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:40 pmLet’s not forget O’Reilly’s making coin writing about rapes and murders via his porn novel (Yes, it’s real and he really does narrate it-via boingboing):
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2009/03/off_with_those.php
What a stand-up guy…
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:44 pm______
DRxJ Says:
What a fcked up isolated world you must live in. Do you suffer from anxiety disorders and spend most of your time avoiding the world outside?
NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED, TORTURED, AND MURDERED!
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
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I don’t share your view of this world,j. It’s a pretty fantastic place, actually. I enjoy every blessed day here. You are right that no one deserves to be raped, tortured or murdered. Get over the idea that everyone is either for you or against you and you’ll realize that most everyone agrees with you on that point. Your comparison of police offiecers getting shot in the line of duty with a girl walking alone, drunk late at night is silly. I certainly can’t waste this glorious day explaining the difference to you. You won’t likely find anyone here who can explain it to you either. Maybe you should get out and see if you can find a few normal folks who do see the difference. You have a great day, now, bud. ;)
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:47 pmuptight cleft Says:
I certainly can’t waste this glorious day explaining the difference to you.
Thank you for your acceptance of defeat.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:50 pmBud.
;-)
Maybe rapists get all riled up first by reading porn such as Those Who Trespass by Bill O’, The Apprentice by Scooter Libby, and Sisters by Lynne Cheney.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:59 pmOne might read this and infer that our friend the upright one believes that some people do deserve to be raped, tortured and murdered.
At least he seems happy in that world, but I guess most righties would be happy in a world where others deserve to be raped, tortured and murdered.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:59 pmLCA Says:
Regarding Jennifer Moore, O’Reilly says: “So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning.”
That phrasing tells you everything you need to know about O’Reily: he refers to a female victim as an object, a “that.”
Hold on a sec… is O’Reilly talking about “picking that up” as in “picking her up”, or as in “picking up the signals that she wants to be raped”?
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:00 pmNobody said anyone ‘DESERVED’ to be raped, tortured, and murdered. If you are not in control of yourself–getting drunk, walking alone late at night, etc.–you cannot take care of yourself. You’re not taking care of yourself in that situation and chances are that bad things will happen to you.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:06 pmUse common sense.
Responsible parents tell their daughters not to walk alone late at night drunk.
Still, bad things happen.
My daughter was raped at 15yrs. old when her poor judgement put her in a terrible situation.
It doesn’t mean she deserved to be raped.
It does mean that doing what she did allowed her to be hurt terribly forever.
She’s 28yrs. old and continues to suffer.
The guys were not punished ultimately and she suffers still.
So, it doesn’t matter that it wasn’t her fault.
Sure, it was all the guys fault; BUT, she still suffers.
So, girls/women, please take care of yourselves.
Be aware of dangers and don’t take chances.
It is sickening how some people will turn anything O’Reilly says into hateful things.
I think he said his piece trying to help women.
He’s not trying to help the bad guys who rape, torture, or murder.
By the way, rape is a murder.
A murder of the soul.
Yep, take those FAILED Air America jewels, Franken and Garafalo, toss in Olbermann and they still wouldn’t reach the number of Americans listening to William on a daily basis. That must really hurt the far left, ha, ha! Since Olbermann can’t beat William in the ratings, he must resort to desperate measures to get anyone to notice him. Good job Keith! Stick to sports Keithy Boy! Although, Keith was smart enough to hitch his wagon to the popular Dan Patrick on the NFL Sunday night broadcasts, even Keith couldn’t screw that up. Here are Keith’s latest numbers, it’s a good thing he’s working for the most liberal cable network today…
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:07 pmhttp://tvbythenumbers.com/category/news/cable-news/
bonne,
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:10 pmWere the guys not punished because the jury/judge/prosecuter were putting the blame on your daughter and not the perps? I don’t know, I’m asking?
Jennifer Moore’s rapist and murderer had a rap sheet including drug charges. Chances are he was high as a kite when he killed her. Funny how Mr. O’Reilly doesn’t mention his responsibility for his altered state of consciousness. Also, as mentioned already, she was out walking because she through no fault of her own, she was without transportation.
Of course for misogynists like Billy Boy, women should probably stay at home wearing burrkas all day, that’ll stop rape… although, of course it doesn’t. You can’t stop rape by making the victims responsible for it. But, hey, let us never speak of men’s culpability in their own crimes.
Speaking of, Douglas Watts, are you serious? It’s not that they came upon them in the street. They weren’t waiting for her at her place of employment, they didn’t call her or knock on her door. They spied on her home, followed her for two hours, and then assaulted her. Particularly in the context of this story, it’s appalling behavior. Frankly I think she should file a complaint for stalking and simple assault.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:10 pmsmoothie,
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:14 pmIf you read the origin of this thread, you will find that it was William’s crew that were using very desperate measures. Fox News was losing money for years and was supported by the $Billion Murdoch made in soft-core tabloids in Australia and Britain.
On further reflection, the bottom line seems to be this: people who criticize Bill O’Reilly or Fox News will be punished. Fox will surveill (sp?) or stalk them. Fox will ambush them. Fox will broadcast falsehoods about them.
The purpose of this is to bully, intimidate, and silence critics. don’t let it work!
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:14 pmWell, aside from Janeane Garafolo having a successful film and comedy career and Al Franken on the verge of becoming the junior Senator from Minnesota… if that’s failure, I’ll take it.
But beyond that… what is your point?
Do you believe that ratings success demonstrates the triumph of conservative ideas?
Is that what you’re trying to say?
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:15 pmMr. Llama, now Hitler, Mussolini, and Tojo had high popularity—so you can’t criticize anything they said, either.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:19 pmMaybe I should back and apologize for criticizing this guy:
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:20 pmhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/7/31/9920/91146
smoothie Says:
Yep, take those FAILED Air America jewels, Franken and Garafalo, toss in Olbermann and they still wouldn’t reach the number of Americans listening to William on a daily basis….
If there’s antyhing that I hate more from both sides of the aisle, it’s the whole “Scoreboard!” call. Hated when Olbermann did it, hated when O’Reilly did it, hate it whenever any show has to justify its existence this way.
Numbers mean SQUAT. No one knows just how many people watch a news program or listen to a radio show who support or abhor the show they are listening to. Heck, if I had cable, I would be watching The Factor just as much as I would watch Countdown, just to see what the others are saying and if they are correct/incorrect.
And yelling “Scoreboard!” doesn’t justify tactics. If the Yankees were up 7-3 against the Royals, only for a player to grab at a runner’s wrist, regardless of the outcome of the game, it’s dirty pool. Doesn’t matter which team did it.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:22 pmKeith Says:
Maybe rapists get all riled up first by reading porn such as Those Who Trespass by Bill O’, The Apprentice by Scooter Libby, and Sisters by Lynne Cheney.
You mean, they get O’Reilly’ed up?
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:23 pmLuis M Says:
“Hold on a sec… is O’Reilly talking about “picking that up” as in “picking her up”, or as in “picking up the signals that she wants to be raped”?”
Hmm, it’s possible. I never thought of it that way. When I listened to him actually say it, the message I received was the “picking her up” version. The problem for him is that it can be interpreted either way, so at the very least he was not clear.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:24 pmWhy can’t I ever get a wingnut to answer that simple question?
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:24 pmSexual assault and battery has nothing to do with sex….It is a crime where a male(usually) is violent toward a woman and he uses sexual means to carry out this crime.
If you follow Mr. O’Reilly’s logic, all women who are dressed in a provocative way can expect to be “raped” by men who can not control themselves. It goes to say this logic is totally flawed.
I sincerely hope Mr. O’Reilly’s idiotic views have not discouraged any woman who has been assaulted from reporting this to the police. Many victims do not report these assaults and Mr. O’Reilly’s views are one of the reasons why.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:26 pmLCA Says:
Hmm, it’s possible. I never thought of it that way. When I listened to him actually say it, the message I received was the “picking her up” version. The problem for him is that it can be interpreted either way, so at the very least he was not clear.
I agree, he definitely needs to be clearer, especially with issues as emotional as this one.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:27 pm136. bonne Says: If you are not in control of yourself–getting drunk, walking alone late at night, etc.–you cannot take care of yourself….Use common sense….Responsible parents tell their daughters not to walk alone late at night drunk….Still, bad things happen…So, girls/women, please take care of yourselves….Be aware of dangers and don’t take chances.
A great majority of the population trusts others enough to surrender their control to others, whether it’s drinking, camping, even asking directions; human nature is such that admonishments such as yours don’t change things, nor does after-the-fact evaluations of “poor judgment,” when in fact very often it’s a series of unexpected events that result in bad circumstances.
Looking back and labeling ‘poor judgment’ is naive.
I think he said his piece trying to help women.
He’s not trying to help the bad guys who rape, torture, or murder.
This, on the other hand, is pure crap. You don’t label women whose car is towed as ‘moronic girls’ and imply that their car is towed solely because they were ‘moronic girls,’ yet retain some sort of deep concern for helping women. O’Reilly has, beyond doubt, confirmed himself as a misogynist, notwithstanding the fact of his sexual harassment.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:31 pmI should clarify. I’m not in favor of these types of ambushes, leave that to TMZ. At the same time, is it OK for the liberal media (ABC,CBS,NBC)to “stalk” Palin’s daughter’s boyfriend because they broke up? I bet you don’t have issues with that, do you? I could care less what Garafolo accomplished OUTSIDE of her liberal Air America career, NOBODY cared about her far left agenda to tune in. That applies to Franken as well. Franken LOST the Minnesota election on Election Day, that’s why he’s currently not a Senator. I know Harry Boy wants to swear him in before ALL THE FACTS come out, in the same way the Porkulus Bill was passed. To me, Bill’s ratings success is proof the majority of Americans like their information in a No Spin Zone, unlike the far left liberal drivel that Olbermann utters each day. I know this frustrates the lefties, why else would Nancy, Harry and their brethren want to try and pass a Fairness Doctrine?
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:37 pmAmanda, thank you for posting your experience with the coward O’Reilly’s henchman. It’s important to stand up to bullies, and we’re behind you.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:39 pmWell, I know when I get dressed in the morning, my thought processes automatically go to what clothing would potentially get me raped and/or murdered today. And if I’m feeling really naughty, I think about what clothing might encourage my boss and co-workers to sexually harass me, so I always choose to wear a low cut blouse and really short skirt. And then I swing by the grocery store on my way to work and stock up on falafels and loofas just in case I’m feeling frisky when I get home in the evening…doesn’t everyone?
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:39 pmsmoothie Says:
To me, Bill’s ratings success is proof the majority of Americans like their information in a No Spin Zone.
AAAHHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHAH!
Thanks, I needed the laughs.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:40 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
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Why can’t I ever get a wingnut to answer that simple question?
Oh come on ralph!! I’m sure you know the answer. They don’t have a simple answer.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:41 pmsmoothie(up in ya) Says:
(nothing really, tries to show interest in topic, but then deviates to the “ratings is God” thing)
But, he did add this little dittie:
To me, Bill’s ratings success is proof the majority of Americans like their information in a No Spin Zone
Yet, the majority of Americans prefer to watch network news which is miles above Faux News for viewership?
And since smoothie(up in ya) equates liberal media to NBC, CBS, and ABC, does that mean the majority of Americans are liberal?
So, smoothie(up in ya), STFU or stay on topic!!!
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:42 pmI hope none of these trolls — particularly upright left — have daughters. I hope those daughters never behave like human beings and make a poor decision, because if they do, according to their troll mommy or troll daddy, they deserve whatever they get.
Funny how they never seem to place any responsibility for poor decisions on the rapist or murderer…
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:43 pmI know this frustrates the lefties, why else would Nancy, Harry and their brethren want to try and pass a Fairness Doctrine?
They don’t. I know this frustrates the righties but the only ones talking about the ‘Fairness Doctrine’ is you guys… could it be your side is so devoid of ideas that you don’t have anything else to talk about?
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:43 pmsmoothie, you should rename yourself as “kool-aid” — because you’ve been drinking way too much of it…
When, exactly, did the corporate media stalk Levi Johnson???
J. Garafalo happens to be a very talented actress currently appearing on (perhaps your favorite show)… “24″
Franken is probably going to win the election in MN, because Coleman is running out of lawsuit options… even his lawyer thinks so…
And NO ONE is advocating re-instituting the fairness doctrine.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:48 pm159. smoothie Says: To me, Bill’s ratings success is proof the majority of Americans like their information in a No Spin Zone, unlike the far left liberal drivel that Olbermann utters each day.
Yes, Jim Bakker and his crooked PTL scam was a ratings success too, eh? In fact, any number of ‘evangelists’ (of which O’Reilly’s rhetoric is a clear qualifier) were ‘ratings successes’ while defrauding their audience and making suckers out of the ‘believers.’
Don’t forget, Milli Vanilli was a ratings success too….
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:50 pmYes, perhaps you should.
Do you have a link from a reputable source?
I see. You need to constrain your field of vision in order for it to make sense. I should have realized. Carry on.
On what information do you base this assertion? Last I heard, Al Franken had received more legitimate votes than Norm Coleman. In a democracy, that’s supposed to mean he WON. Pretty much everyone (including Coleman’s lawyers) recognize that Franken will win the trial being conducted and Norm will appeal simply in order to delay Franken’s seating.
How many trials do you guys need to get “ALL THE FACTS” out? I’d have thought you’d introduce all the facts that you could in the first trial.
You guys love that meme, don’t you? Doesn’t matter that it’s a legislator’s responsibility to know what he’s voting on, and that the bill was published two weeks before it was voted on.
So are you saying that conservative ideas triumph in the free market place?
I know you guys fear the Fairness Doctrine (something about “Fairness” seems to bug you guys — although “Fair and Balanced” seems to trick your trigger) but it says something if you fear hearing opposite ideas.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:52 pmUh Smoothie @159 – Franken didn’t lose the election, check your facts, the recount proved that. Even the opponent’s attorney attested to that. Regarding billo’s audience last I read he appealed to the older audience group, like the ones that can’t believe “a colored man” should be President.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:53 pmUnfortunately, narrow mindness isn’t relagated to Senior Citizens, seems to be a trait of conservatives.
Since when is it alright to stalk people with opposing opinions ? If I were Amanda I would check out the legality of that.
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:55 pmoreilly’s use of
“picking that up” in terms of a female human being is very telling….
does he mean to tell us that he would have picked up that young woman and done the exact same thing to her just because she was drunk and on the street??
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:59 pmSo, smoothie(up in ya), STFU or stay on topic!!!
STFU? Nice.I bet you’ve never watched O’Reilly’s wildly popular program on Fox, have you? I also bet MSNBC is one of your “favorites” on the remote control, isn’t it? BTW, I already indicated I don’t like the ambush approach, which is “on topic”. I didn’t introduce Garafolo and Olbermann to this thread, I simply pointed out more people are interested in what Bill’s talking about on a daily basis…
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:01 pmHow does Bill O’s ratings compare to 60 minutes?
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:06 pmHow do they compare to American Idol?
How do they compare to Hitler’s?
According to O’Reilly’s usage, he’s referring to the woman, not the circumstances. Here’s my understanding:
He not only uses the same phraseology later in the quote, but the juxtaposition of the phrase to the next sentence, “walking on the West Side Highway,” is an indicator of exposition.
Plus, the phrase for referring to the circumstances, rather than the woman, would be phrased like this:
“So every predator in the world is gonna pick up on that at two in the morning.”
Meaning, be receptive to those signals.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:08 pmDidn’t the 2006 and 2008 elections teach you people anything? Or have you forgotten already?
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:08 pmwhenever O’Reilly makes asinine comments like that, I can’t help but think it’s an admission of “guilty thinking.” In other words, if he were driving down a street late one night and saw a provocatively dressed woman walking down the street, he’d just have to rape her. Not because he wanted to, aw laws no, he’s no animal. No, he’d rape that woman just to prove that he could, to teach her a lesson on being all drunk and giving men boners.
In fact, I picture him lecturing the woman about how lucky she was it’s ONLY O’Reilly raping her BEFORE he raped her: “Now, little missy, your behavior and your dress and your level of inebriation, to be out on the streets like you are, you’re just asking for trouble. Be glad I found you instead of some scaaaaaary black gangbangers. In fact…you COULD say I saved your life tonight. And in my opinion, that’s gotta be worth something. You know what to do…”
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pmAgain, are you trying to say that O’reilly’s ratings success indicates that conservative ideas triumph in the market place?
Or is it more a case of “style over substance”?
Why do wingnuts assume we love MSNBC like they love Faux? Sheer projection, I guess.
Oh? Then who did?
And what conclusion do you draw from that repeated assertion?
Or aren’t you the type to make logical conclusions?
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pmI didn’t introduce Garafolo and Olbermann to this thread, I simply pointed out more people are interested in what Bill’s talking about on a daily basis…
You didn’t?
Who said this then:
smoothie Says:
Yep, take those FAILED Air America jewels, Franken and Garafalo, toss in Olbermann and they still wouldn’t reach the number of Americans listening to William on a daily basis.
Weird, huh?
Back on topi:
The problem smoothie, is that we are failing our SONS when we make this our daughter’s problem alone… when we say, ‘well, no woman who’s smart would walk home at 2 am if she knew what was good for her’ (which is the gist of your and Bill O’s argument, no?) we indirectly let our sons know that they can’t be responsible for their actions when a girl is drunk and dressed ‘provocatively,’ and that is simply WRONG.
I know BillO doesn’t understand this- I’ve heard his book and his voice mail messages to his staffer… but our sons need to hear this if we have any hope of keeping them from growing up to be BillO themselves…
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:11 pmLibertyLover Says:
does he mean to tell us that he would have picked up that young woman and done the exact same thing to her just because she was drunk and on the street??
March 23rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I think that’s exactly what he’s saying, LibertyLover. ;)
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:12 pmWatters and O’Reilly are complete A-holes. And O’Reilly is a sexist bully.
A girl/boy should be able to wear whatever they want, and no outfit warrants being attacked, EVER, not even in the slightest.
HOWEVER,
There are ugly realities that we wish weren’t so, but are. One of them is that bullies and sex predators have triggers, and are often on the prowl for weaknesses to take advantage of.
Rape is a crime of violence, but there is the ’sex’ part of sex-predators. Just as the new kid in class doesn’t deserve to be beat up for his lunch money because he’s alone, small, and is wearing a bow-tie, no woman deserves to be raped/assaulted just because she is alone, small, and is wearing a haltertop & bearing her midriff.
But the bully is more likely to key in on the boy for those reasons, and the sexual predator is more likely to key in on the girl for those reasons. It’s part of the ugly nature of these criminals.
That being said, I am not saying that women should not dress sexily, just as I’m not saying little kids should go on steroids or stop wearing bow-ties if they like wearing bow-ties. Because neither is doing anything wrong. Also, neither *should* incite other humans to attack: but there *are* some sick individuals who *are* incited by these things. This is merely a comment on a sad ugly reality in our world.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:13 pm173. smoothie Says:.I bet you’ve never watched O’Reilly’s wildly popular program on Fox, have you?
Why would anyone, other than ‘terrorist sympathizers,’ watch O’Reilly? After all, he just repeats what Muslim Clerics have advocated:
So, O’Reilly is just pushing the muslim agenda. Must be a great following among your ‘muslim brethren,’ smoothie…tsk.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:18 pmpurple state says…
Imagine an ambush thwarted when the “victim” he is ambushing him pulls out a camcorder or video camera and ambushes him right back. That would be priceless.
Here’s a fun video with Bill Moyers doing just that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_2IZT4VgDY
priceless
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:21 pmForgot the “/snark…”
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:24 pmRegarding billo’s audience last I read he appealed to the older audience group, like the ones that can’t believe “a colored man” should be President.
texaslady, the ratings link I provided indicates in the 25-52 demographic, O’Reilly beats Olbermann each and every day. Hardly an “older audience”.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:24 pmIf Bill O weren’t a pansy he’d invite Amanda on his show to discuss the Alexa Foundation… but he’s a scared frightened wuss who fears his ideas can’t stand up to scrutiny and that he isn’t smart enough to defend them so he yells and ambushes and cuts microphones so he can feel better himself.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:26 pmsmoothie Says:
Ready to admit you brought Air America up yet?
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:27 pmOr do you need to ignore the facts to continue being ‘right’ like BillO?
Are you ever going to connect this particular dot to a larger point?
Do you believe O’Reilly’s ratings success represents a triumph of conservative ideas in the free market?
Or is it more a case of “style of substance”?
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:29 pmO’Reilly is like one of those mythical creatures that feeds on hate. The only way he can make news is to yell at people until they yell back and then he can turn around and yell at his audience about how angry the “left” is. It’s like punching someone in the face and then asking them why they are so angry. Sadly, his audience eats this up and thinks its news.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:31 pmI would take out a restraining order on this guy. Have him served with it and have the service of the notice covered by MSNBC. Wouldn’t THAT make a fine news story.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:32 pmBill O’Reilly knows quite a bit about drinking too much and harassing women. Falafel.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:32 pmbelac…Did you even read the posts above my first? Other people here “introduced” Garafolo and Olbermann to the thread, in particular, raving about Olbermann’s anti-O’Reilly tactics. So again, I was just pointing out that these apparent left wing media stars come up short on the “need to know” what they’re saying department. That’s not my fault.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:34 pmI think you should call a lawyer and find out what legal remedies might be available to you. Someone has to stop this from happening to anyone who might have the temerity to call O’Reilly out on his crap, and with the whole followed-you-for-two-hours-to-stalk-you-on-vaca deal, I think you may have some grounds for a complaint.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:35 pmI’m sorry you were journalisticaly “raped” by O’Reilly’s producer. I guess loofa-boy thought you should just lay back and enjoy it. What asses he and Faux News are.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:37 pmThat’s scary and despicable. Let us know if there’s something you’d like us to do. I’m sorry that happened to you.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:37 pm‘know, if I were trying to make this point, and I had the facts on my side, I’d be eager to block-quote the earlier post that “introduced” Janeane Garafolo to this discussion.
But that’s me.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:38 pmsmoothie says: I was just pointing out that these apparent left wing media stars come up short on the “need to know” what they’re saying department.
YOU MOST CERTAINLY DID NOT!
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:39 pmSo again, I was just wondering what larger conclusion you draw from this repeated assertion.
You seem hesitant to reach for one.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:40 pmSo again, I was just pointing out that these apparent left wing media stars come up short on the “need to know” what they’re saying department. That’s not my fault.
Where’s the ‘personal responsibility?’
You could have posted on-topic… you didn’t.
You could have admitted that you continued posting nonsense about ratings and the ‘Fairness Doctrine’ and have ignored direct questions posed by other posters… you didn’t.
Why is that I wonder?
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:40 pmYou know, if Mr. O’Reilly didn’t expect to get kicked in the groin then he would wear a skirt.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:44 pmFair and Balanced was thrown out the window when Trent Lott pushed a resolution through late at night (seems repubs work best at night) which allows many different medias to be owned by one owner instead of previously limiting ownership. Monopolies are never a good thing.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:50 pmBill O’Reilly and Jesse Watters: barroom bullies.
http://jackrabbitcafe.blogspot.com
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:51 pmleekinny Says:
purple state says…
Imagine an ambush thwarted when the “victim” he is ambushing him pulls out a camcorder or video camera and ambushes him right back. That would be priceless.
Here’s a fun video with Bill Moyers doing just that.
Hard justice, but certainly not hard enough. I always appreciate the Moyers ambush attempt, though.
There’s something about catching a kid with his hand in the cookie jar when he’s in a cookie-jar shop. You expect it. Fox was going into the lion’s den for that ambush, and if they came out with the lion’s head, it would have been a major accomplishment. Of course, they were busted.
I’m talking about catching the thieves red-handed. Trying to pull a fast one on their home court. That would be pure ambrosia. Sweet sweet ambrosia.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:53 pm193. smoothie Says: So again, I was just pointing out that these apparent left wing media stars come up short on the “need to know” what they’re saying department. That’s not my fault.
Let’s put this canard to roost now. smoothie, claiming O’Reilly’s ratings are vindication for an overwhelming popularity of right-wing viewpoints ignores the staggering reality of the massive thumping and rejection of those views in the last two elections. The American people punted the incompetence of the right-wing approach thoroughly.
As far as the myth of intellect=popularity, I would posit that Masterpiece Theater generates a consistently smaller number than American Idol, but who would doubt the probability that the MT audience has a much higher I.Q. and is better read/educated?
You’re pushing a fallacy that has been roundly walloped by reality. Notwithstanding the equal notion that O’Reilly’s viewers have nothing better to do whereas ‘liberal’ viewers not only are acquainted with the issues, but are out achieving….
Olbermann is more about correcting O’Reilly, et. al.’s distortions and most progressives already know much of Olbermann’s topics. We don’t rely on any one source the way O’Reilly’s devotees do.
Plus, progressives don’t sit at home, dateless, polishing their phallic weapons, watching The Factor…
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:53 pmI’m not sure that conclusion follows from your premise.
It doesn’t seem like Bill believes that just because someone is wearing a skirt, it doesn’t mean you can’t put a boot in the groin.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:54 pmralph…No, IMHO, O’Reilly’s ratings aren’t about conservatism. Unlike Rush or Hannity, he doesn’t attach himself to that ideaology. In fact, he recently stated on his program that he wouldn’t have a problem with a tax increase for his income bracket. Sounds to me like he’s onboard with Obama’s spread the wealth philosophy.
March 23rd, 2009 at 2:57 pmFlagged for ad hominem attack and being off topic.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:00 pmHi BLC
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:00 pmBut Amanda: was your midriff showing? It’s not the O’Reilly hit-squad’s fault if your midriff was showing, it’s yours! You led them on! What were they supposed to do, go home and console themselves alone with their loofahs?
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:01 pmPerhaps you can tell me BLC…
O’Reilly claims that people have an’absolute right to privacy in their personal lives’ and that paparazzi are ‘the scum of the earth…’
Shouldn’t he take some ‘personal responsibility’ and see to it that his producers don’t act like paparazzi and invade people’s privacy while they are having a weekend in the country with friends?
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:03 pmHow do you know he didn’t? Do you think amanda would admit to declining to be interviewed? O’Reilly always says if the coward running from the microphone was invited or not so we shall see when the segment airs, if it makes the air, that is.
Yes, I believe that Amanda would admit that…
But we should believe O’Reilly and doubt Amanda because O’Reilly ‘always says’ the ‘coward’ was ‘invited…’ gotcha.
Doesn’t Bill O also say that people have the right not to be harassed in their personal lives?
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:07 pmWhat you should have done is silently walk down the street until you came across a police officer, at which point you walk over to him/her and say “Officer, these men are stalking and harassing me. I would like them placed under arrest please so I can file charges.”
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:08 pm*slow blink*
Come again?
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:09 pmDoesn’t Bill O also say that people have the right not to be harassed in their personal lives?
Ooh, he does… he does say that… thanks hanshiro!
http://gawker.com/ 5150308/ bill-oreillys-vengeful-paparazzi
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:09 pmWest Wing, second season, to the “Body Man” (”Charlie”, played by Dulé Hill):
If they’re shootin’ at you, you’re doing something right.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:10 pmNo, not overtly. He doesn’t have the courage of his convictions thst Rush and Insannity do. O’Reilly claims to be “independent”. But his leanings, and particularly his rhetoric, are decidedly anti-liberal. His audience is overwhelmingly conservative. To try to claim that his show is not about “conservatism” is to ignore the facts.
Being a conservative blow-hard does not preclude the possibility of reaching a rational decision once in a while. It just happens so infrequently that it’s an easy assumption to make.
But you still haven’t made any point with your citation of ratings success. What does it mean in the larger sense?
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:14 pmbill, you are a sniveling, whining snake of a being.. no better than that bit of dog crap that clings to your shoe even though you have done everything to scrape it off..makes everything around you smell bad.. you tinge everything with your hateful Father Coughlin like monologues that do nothing but breed more hatred and suspicion for the press.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:14 pmQuit now Billy.. before you are exposed as the fool you are or you simply expose your self..
BLC Says:
I’m betting that amanda was asked for an interview and declined. Otherwise, Waters wouldn’t have approached her. Waters was pursuing the story. I’m just hoping Waters got a good shot of amandas “friend” she was holed up with at the hotel……..
You do know that assumption was what got O’Reilly in hot water in the first place?
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:15 pmI’m just hoping Waters got a good shot of amandas “friend” she was holed up with at the hotel……..
Why is that? You think this friend might have something to do with the story?
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:15 pmSeems unlikely… unless you admit there is no story and that the segments whole purpose is to harass Amanda and make her life hell… do you admit that BLC?
That seems likely…
Obviously BLC is running on fumes.
That’s gotta be especially tough when you were initially fueled with your own biological methane gas to begin with.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:15 pmMarch 23rd, 2009 at 3:16 pm
204. Purple State Says: I’m talking about catching the thieves red-handed. Trying to pull a fast one on their home court. That would be pure ambrosia. Sweet sweet ambrosia.
You mean, like Mike Stark did?
With pictures…
Mike wraps up this way:
“My opening statement to Bill was that I was providing an accountability moment.
It’s wrong to confront good people at their homes. It’s absolutely the right thing to do to confront liars, cheats and fools that are fu cking this country wherever and whenever you can find them.”
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:22 pmNow why did you have to go and insult Howard Stern?!
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:27 pmBill O’Reilly is a classic Misogynist (He hates women). How does one assume that this woman or that woman is asking to be beat down and violated if she’s wearing sexually suggestive clothing or if she’s even making sexually suggestive comments?
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:39 pmwags…You didn’t know Bill doesn’t mind paying higher taxes? See, you had him all wrong. He’s a registered independent.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:45 pmit’s awful for her week-end vacation but she’s doing something right and it’s bothering Billo.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:47 pmI’m immediately buying something on newshounds.us. Please try to support her work. What do you get from it? What’s the incentive? Newshounds upsets Billo!
Every single day, women all over the world dress up attractively, and/or get drunk, and/or walk alone after the sun has gone down AND DO NOT GET RAPED.
The difference between these women and the unfortunate victims is THE PRESENCE OF A RAPIST. The fault is not the clothing choices, the relative attractiveness of the victim (guess what? “Ugly” women get raped too), the amount of alcohol or anything (guess what? Women get raped during the daytime in shopping mall parking lots).
Would it be a man’s fault if he was drunk and walking around the West Side Highway at night and he was mugged and robbed? Or would it be the mugger’s fault?
Anyone, O’Reilly included, who suggests that there is any fault of a victim of a rape is delusional. Thinking that it was the evil woman’s fault for a rape leads to the “logical” conclusion that they be required to cover themselves head to toe, have a pre-sunset curfew, and not be let to walk alone without a male family member ever. Sound familiar? Guess what other culture blames women for crimes committed upon them……
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:48 pmI wouldn’t admit it if I was a Republican, either.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:49 pmwags…You didn’t know Bill doesn’t mind paying higher taxes? See, you had him all wrong. He’s a registered independent.
I’m interested smoothie… what do BillO’s ratings or views on tax policy have to do with his unfortunate remarks and his Producer’s stalking of Amanda?
Thanks.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:50 pmPeople should ambush Jesse!! Stalk him at the bars, his apt,
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:50 pmsomeone should stalk his parents ambush interview them .. stoop to their Levels
stalk o’reilly’s kids wife everyone is fair game. People are failing to realize there is a war out there. Oreilly is right in the sense that there is a war. It is about time we start fighting back….
I call for the Ambush Jesse Squad!!!!!
texaslady Says:
Fair and Balanced was thrown out the window when Trent Lott pushed a resolution through late at night (seems repubs work best at night)
Like cockroaches…
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:51 pm(seems repubs work best at night)
Like cockroaches…
And Vampires.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:54 pmAnd I’m Archduke Ferdinand.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:55 pmGreat. “republicans hate” feels the need to label me a TARD. I was unaware elementary school children had access to computers on recess. Only a child would use such an inappropriate label. Didn’t you learn anything from Obama’s Special Olympics remark?
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:56 pmsmoothie Says:
Care to answer my question smoothie?
What do BillO’s ratings or views on tax policy have to do with his unfortunate remarks and his Producer’s stalking of Amanda?
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:58 pmThey’d be right there. That would constitute proof. The fact that they are unwelcome has been made known and is documented on the camera, which could be seized as evidence.
March 23rd, 2009 at 3:59 pmjoe cantwell…Thanks, I had already read that one as well. You failed to point out he’s a registered independent since 2003.
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:03 pmYeah, I’m a registered independent too.
What does that mean?
You’re not really big on following up your comments with logical conclusions, are you?
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:06 pmsmoothie(hethinks), he is a registered independent NOW because he got caught in the lie about his registration before and had to change it. Comprehend?
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:07 pmHe also lied about growing up in Levittown and his family being middle class. His father’s income put them in the top 10%.
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:10 pmSince he lies so much, why do you believe what he says? Because the reinforcement of your false beliefs makes you feel good?
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:11 pmYes.
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:16 pmHmmmm. Gee, Amanda – why didn’t you make Billo’s and Bernard Goldberg’s list of the top liberal smear merchants, eh? Perhaps now you at least rate an honorable mention. ;o)
I’m sorry this happened to you. Those people are DISGUSTING. Please take care of yourself.
~ A
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:17 pmEverytime this happens to someone, there should be massive protest at O’Reilly house. As I recall, someone confronted him at his home once before. I wish his address was put out for this purpose. It’s shameful that he gets away with ambusing people all the time.
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:24 pmMy question is how did they find you on vacation?
March 23rd, 2009 at 4:32 pmOther than being attacked by Fox, i hope you enjoyed your stay in our little town. I may actually tune into Fox just to see our boring town.
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:22 pmI went to Fox News website for the first time today….I wasn’t sure if I was in a legitimate web news site or at the National Enquirer/TMZ? Hardly the place one goes for real news and understanding events. Nothing but right wing propaganda!
March 23rd, 2009 at 6:40 pmWhen is someone gonna ambush that putz, o’reilly? I would pay real money to see someone following him down the street, yelling unqualified and mean-spirited questions at him!
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:02 pmO’Reilly is an arrogant, self-righteous punk.
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:16 pmWhen you are confronted by one of BillO’s thugs, you should change the subject to BillO jacking off while large breasted girls loofah in the shower. They won’t put that on Faux.
March 23rd, 2009 at 7:51 pm_______
Shayne Says:
And I’m certain that the mother of the murderer told him not to go out killing young girls. Do you have a point?
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
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I see absolutely no reason for you to compare the murdered girl to her murderer. That’s beneath even you.
Regardless of your own choice, most parents warn their daughters (and their sons) not to be out alone late at night because of the risk of them being harmed. That doesn’t mean that they think their child deserves to be harmed if they are out, just that they make it more likely that they will be harmed.
March 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pm______
ralph the wonder llama Says:
A straightforward reading of your post has none of the subtlety to which you retreat when your defense of O’Reilly is examined. It’s a pretty naked rationalization of the reasons for this encounter.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
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“Might the ambush have something to do with..” was not an indication to you that I was suggesting a reason why they might have felt justified? Please accept my most sincere apology that I didn’t make that clear enough for you. Just so you understand, I think what they did was wrong, especially if they did follow her for two hours. As for the “dishonest” part, you aren’t seriously suggesting that that you need to hear O’Reilly say the reporting was dishonest to know that he thinks it is. It’ll probably be clearer after the show tonight. ;)
March 23rd, 2009 at 8:44 pmIf you are harassed by these clowns, collect yourself and start uttering words and phrases you know will never make it on to TV. Don’t bother with the Carlin Seven as I prefer to call them. Go straight at the clown with the mic and remember EVERYTHING is off the table. Interrupt him. Cut him off. Drown him out. Question his masculinity. Call him “little Dick” and question whether he is over compensating for his little package. Accuse him of being impotent. Ask him if he and O’Reilly are still sleeping together or ask him if he is still screwing his mother. Or ask if the cameraman is his new butt buddy. Do NOT stop talking or screaming this crap. The point is to take control and not cower.
Move in and out so the cameraman is constantly trying to refocus. If he is using autofocus, everything should be a blur assuming you continue to bob and weave.
Carry a small fog horn or something capable of loud, disruptive sound.
Carry a laser pointer and point it at the cameraman (or the lense of the videocamera).
Carry mace or a taser where legal. If these guys don’t not identify themselves quick enough, show them some love.
If you have any martial arts training, don’t be shy about using it if you feel threatened.
Carry an umbrella to put up in front of the camera.
In short don’t allow yourself to be victimized by these jerks.
March 23rd, 2009 at 8:51 pm______
ralph the wonder llama Says:
upright left Says:
DRxJ Says:
What a fcked up isolated world you must live in. Do you suffer from anxiety disorders and spend most of your time avoiding the world outside?
NO ONE DESERVES TO BE RAPED, TORTURED, AND MURDERED!
I don’t share your view of this world
One might read this and infer that our friend the upright one believes that some people do deserve to be raped, tortured and murdered.
At least he seems happy in that world, but I guess most righties would be happy in a world where others deserve to be raped, tortured and murdered.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
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Of course one might think that if one only read the part that you dishonestly chose to include. ;)
If you had quoted the entire post, including “You are right that no one deserves to be raped, tortured or murdered,” one would know the truth. See how well things work out when one is honest and truthful, ralphie? That’s a perfect example of what I’ve been trying to get across to you. ;)
March 23rd, 2009 at 8:58 pmmeh just throwing my two cents in there because I just sadly happened to see it on a tv at my college after reading this article this morning. It was a pretty typical pile of bull shit(the show that is). I honestly am not even sure how someone with any remote knowledge of their world or people can believe half of what is on there.
March 23rd, 2009 at 9:05 pmMaybe you can have a session with her rapist to see how it feels to be victimized by a stranger seeking only their own
March 23rd, 2009 at 9:07 pmpleasure. You never should have bothered her. You have no shame.
I can’t find the words to describe you. Bill headlines a charity and you have to attack him. Liberal or conservative, that is wrong. Let the man do his good deed and keep your mouth shut. The economy is failing apart, report on that, don’t make random attacks on someone helping a charity.
March 23rd, 2009 at 9:11 pmNo. It was an indication that you were advancing this suggestion with an awareness of its limitations, but those limitations didn’t include how O’Reilly “felt” about the report. That, you used your own voice to proclaim “dishonest”.
No, I think that’s a pretty safe bet. But that’s not what you said. You expressed your own judgment that it was dishonest.
Again, here’s the relevant piece of your comment:
Might the ambush have someting to do with having authored the piece that dishonestly implied that O’Reilly blamed a woman for getting raped, when what he said was that she was irresponsible in being out alone late at night and being drunk?
(emphasis mine)
I think Amanda’s implication was spot on. I certainly don’t think it was dishonest in the least. But you do. And when assert that the report was dishonest, you tacitly give cover for O’Reilly’s motivation.
It’s not a big leap.
March 23rd, 2009 at 9:20 pmHas anyone ever told you you have the loveliest loofah?
March 23rd, 2009 at 9:26 pminvestigate how they found you chances are they may hav
March 23rd, 2009 at 9:30 pmhave broken the law in doing so.
You certainly like to use that term “dishonestly”, don’t you? You must have remarkable powers of insight into the motivations of other humans, discernible simply through the language they use as they type on the internet. Remarkable.
Well, I don’t use emoticons, so sometimes my sarcasm doesn’t translate so well. I took an opportunity to get in a cheap shot. Sometimes that seems like the best way to deal with unfocused opposition.
I humbly offer my apologies if your delicate sensitivities were offended. Your well-meaning if condescending advice re: honesty and truthfulness is a bit heavy-handed, even arrogant, but both heavy-handedness and arrogance actually wear well on you, almost as if they’re a natural fit. I’ll take your words of wisdom under advisement.
Have a pleasant evening.
March 23rd, 2009 at 9:34 pmIf you saw O’Reilly this evening, he did air this confrontation — claiming that the blogger took him out of context. Well, here is the context, per O’Reilly: http://billoreilly.com/radiofactorlisten?epid=NDA0Nw==
Forward to 00:36:54 into that clip and you’ll hear the following (it is the start of the whole segment — and the Mel Gibson reference is referring to his arrest for DUI when he went on his anti-Jew tirade, which is around the same time that this girl was raped/killed):
Paraphasing: “If Mel Gibson didn’t get drunk, he wouldn’t be in the mess he is in today and if [this] young woman … didn’t get drunk she would be alive today.”
IMO, O’Reilly is obviously blaming this girl here for her own rape and murder because she was intoxicated (yes, he says it is sad and tragic, but that doesn’t get past the fact that HE BLAMES HER FOR THIS) — I don’t see how you can explain the context any differently.
If someone sees differently, I’m all ears.
March 23rd, 2009 at 9:44 pmI got on here to see what this is all about and and after reading your comments… to all of you that support this website are the most “close-minded” people I have ever come across. No wonder many people dislike the liberal or progressive left.
I watch cnn, msnbc and listened to Air America… and other left leaning radio and I just wonder…why do you all get so personal with your attacks? Use your brain and keep the personal and petty attacks to the little children!
You blame the right for all of life’s issues.
And one final thing, Global Warming is the biggest hoax ever brought on by liberal/progressive movement. I must ask you to think “outside the box” on this issue. The problem with this subject is you have to do some “research” and not rely on people who think like you and have an agenda like you. Read and understand both side’s of an issue.
As for O’Reilly, I can think for myself. He is just another point of view that most of you will never listen to. I bet most of you have never watched his show…. just blurbs on u-tube and these website’s. Not the best way to form a well rounded opinion!
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:22 pmbretts,
Welcome to TP. Not everyone here is as close-minded as you may have allowed yourself to believe. Believe it or not, we are independently-minded people (whose socio-political views on how government and society should function would generally be considered as “liberal”, or “left-leaning”) who happen to agree on many issues. In that respect, and pretty much only in that respect, we are the same as some right-wing sites. Believe it or not, if you want to see closed-minded, go visit RedState or FreeRepublic.
I watched O’Reilly’s segment tonight, and I read Amanda’s account of the incident (which she recaps above in a later post), and I have to agree that O’Reilly’s behavior, and that of his producer, was deplorable. You see, O’Reilly, for all his bluff and bluster, is a coward. He constantly says he’ll happily debate anyone from the “smear sites” (which primarily mean this site and Media Matters, which goes to great lengths to present his comments in context, despite what O’Reilly would have his fans believe), and yet no matter how many times they offer themselves to be on, he never calls them to appear. If he was so certain that he was right and his position defensible, then why doesn’t he invite David Brock on for a full hour? Because he’s afraid he would look bad. Because his position is not defensible. Because, with a high degree of accuracy, and a few times when they got it wrong and for which they apologized, they get it right. Because Bill O’Reilly is a coward. And he frequently tells lies and distorts the truth. And he responds exactly the way someone who is wrong and knows it would respond, by loudly denouncing the people who dared to quote him verbatim.
March 23rd, 2009 at 10:44 pmThis site is Hilarious! Seriously. Olberman a tough guy…HAHAHAHAHA. I see his entire fan base is here in force. Pick any man or woman on the street and they would nail Olberman in any debate.
He, like Amanda are demagogues and when Oreilly offers perfectly good advice to woman out at night, Terkel and others attack as if what he said was offensive. You people will drum up anything and try to call it news.
If any of you were honest you would agree wholeheartedly with his comments, my sister, wife, or daughter would not be out, dressed like that, drunk, at that time of night in an unknown area of any big city. You people don’t get it and are totally hopeless. I know this comment of truth will do no good here, I just enjoy watching a nugget of truth being thrown in the mix like poison to a bunch of ants.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:20 pmOk, I’m a virgin commenter here, so be gentle. Had Amanda Terkel taken the time to listen to Bill O’Reilly’s entire recording, she possibly would have understood him better, and not taken what she hear out of context. Unfortunately, she didn’t, and her non-action sparked this whole controversary. ALL reporters need to do more research, not just jump on single items to gain their 15 minutes of fame.
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:21 pmSorry for the typo…
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:23 pmSo it is okay if it is done in the name of “investigative journalism” a la 20/20, Nightline, Dateline, etc, but it must be wrong if it is Fox News. Do I have this right?
March 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 pmONE MORE TIME!!!
Andrea Mackris!!!
Google loud and proud Orallys Sexual Harrassment suit he settled out of court!
The Loofah Falafel King has no clothes as usual.
Andrea Mackris!!!
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March 23rd, 2009 at 11:54 pmBill O’Reilly Rocks!!!!
Your a bunch of cry babies!! Thats why the rich get richer and the poor get the picture!!! You spend too much time crying and not enough time improving your own life. I guess you dont have to since you have no job and your daddy Obama is giving you a hand out.
March 24th, 2009 at 12:06 am______
Shayne Says:
It is people like you who have sons and justify their bad behavior who are responsible for creating rapists and murderers.
March 23rd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
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So you think I belong to the liberal, permissive “if it feels good do it” school of parenting. ;)
Actually, though, you are wrong as usual. I firmly believe that all boys need to be taught to respect girls and women. I thought TP was remiss in failing to stop hopium boy when he repeatedly called women the “c” word. I guess that’s acceptable in TP blog etiquette. ;)
March 24th, 2009 at 12:15 amAmanda Terkel – SHAME ON YOU!
March 24th, 2009 at 12:19 amTypical liberal thought process….streetttccchhhh that truth and make assumptions about what others are thinking and feeling.
Unfortunately, Mr O’Reilly’s comments are on target. It sounds like the the young lady made a series of bad choices setting herself up for failure and allowing a wolf in the door.
And Ms. Terkel…you simply got busted spewing your hatred. Perhaps you should return as a guest on the Al Jazeera Network where you can share your feelings with like minded America haters who look to destroy any inkling of good in people.
The rest of you…sheep.
March 24th, 2009 at 12:27 amYou POOR BABY! You can dish it out, but you can’t take it! Grow a thicker skin or get out of the business. Take your wacky teeth and moon-shaped head and get a job at McDonald’s!
March 24th, 2009 at 12:28 amPerhaps we should start writing articles about Amanda, stretching the truth and taking things out of context and see how SHE likes it! She’s a tool and she was used like a tool.
March 24th, 2009 at 12:29 amThe problem, Ms. Terkel, is that you deliberately took O’reilly’s broadcast out of context to represent (or I should say, “misrepresent”) him negatively. Bill O’Reilly was talking about drunkenness and how it renders individuals vulnerable. But instead you quoted these few words from his broadcast:
“Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She’s walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she’s out of her mind, drunk.”
Now first, as a woman, I can say that it is a sad truth that a woman who goes running around wherever she pleases, drunk, and dressed scantily does make herself more vulnerable to predators. It is not fair, but it is a sad truth. This is not tantamount to saying that the woman who goes running around in mini-skirts and halter-tops deserves to be raped. And I don’t think that O’Reilly was trying to say that she caused or deserved her rape.
But perhaps more importantly, your sole point in writing the blog that has caused this controversy was to denigrate O’Reilly. Don’t you have anything better to do with your time and energy? What do you care if the Alexa Foundation has asked Bill O’Reilly to represent their group? That is THEIR choice. The answer is, you shouldn’t care, except that you want to denigrate O’Reilly. You are PETTY!
Hey, here is an idea. Instead of trying to make news by writing negative, misrepresenting blogs about O’Reilly, you could give your time to supporting to victim’s rights groups like the Alexa Foundation. At least Bill O’Reilly is trying to do something positive. You are in the business of negativity and pettiness.
March 24th, 2009 at 12:44 amTerkel you are an abominable dimwit loser. What is the purpose of your existence? Is it to make a name for yourself by propagating the wishes of evil people concerning issues which you know nothing about? Now, rather than apologizing for your painfully incompetent reporting, you take the only road you and your leftist haters know-which is to attack personally the people who call out your idiocy. You are an empty shell, the same as you were in high school when no man or woman would pay attention to your lowly existence. The obvious reason that dirtbags like you need to attack your critics personally is that your viewpoints are absent intellectual merit. Losers like you: avoid the facts, historic precedent and common sense, to continue your mania. However your agitation is never done, you have no limits. Then you expect people to rely on your wisdom-when you have no wisdom! Only delusional imbeciles like yourself, continue to defend the lies and inconsistencies of your disingenuous and deceitful leader Obama. The reason for your absurd brainlessness can only be one of two alternatives. 1) You are so absent self worth, full of hatred and so heavily invested in the nonsensical proven to fail propaganda of Obama, that you would rather destroy the greatest nation in history then take the time, closely examine the issues objectively and admit to you err; or you are so entirely clueless to reality, business operations and economics that you actually believe Pelosi and Obama’s fascist conversion of America is beneficial to our nation’s citizenry. I fear that you are someone, who thinks the government can print money at will, without consequence and that terrorists willing to kill themselves and as many innocent people as they can (in order to have sex with 72 virgins in the afterlife) will reform if given the opportunity to chat with Obama. You should be ashamed of yourself. Liberal whackos like you, have forgotten that individual freedom means freedom from coercion. Your dishonesty is shameful. Blindly supporting a bunch of self proclaimed elitists who don’t even pay their own taxes- so far, 7 Obama nominees have withdrawn from consideration (not including the tax cheat Geithner who slipped through and is now running the IRS) and he still has a plethora of vacant seats because it is not easy to find left wing socialist ideologues who pay their tax bills. How do you explain this, when in the history of our Country no President has every had more than 2 cabinet nominees need to withdraw their names from consideration? You are not only stupid, a hater and without common sense, but you are a sucker being used by rotten people who could care less about your welfare.
March 24th, 2009 at 1:11 amIt is sad that a person cannot openly state something that is just common sense without being attacked. These attacks are almost always driven by either political correctness, or ideology. I don’t always agree with Bill O’Reilly, but even if you do take his mini-skirt statement out of context, it is still a ‘common sense fact’. It is also sad, Amanda, that you don’t understand what’s really at play here; you represent the views of millions of young people… and that is the saddest thing of all.
March 24th, 2009 at 1:13 amFurthermore, to all of the haters on her, who are offering support for this empty, uneducated woman- O’Reilly is not the issue. The issue involves the actions personally undertaken by low life Terkel. Without cause, she attacked a rap victim (whose attacker was convicted and is currently serving a 40 year prison sentence) and her family. The torment Terkel carelessly subjugated this damaged woman to, was vicious, ruthless and unwarranted. She encouraged and enabled other hate driven jerk offs like herself, to click and send pre-written defaming emails direct to the victim girl (she was 18 years old at the time of the brutal rape) and her family. In fact, Terkel’s antics where so evil, that they inevitably forced the girl victim in question, to resign from her voluntary position as a guidance counselor for under privileged abused kids.
It is appalling to read this despicable piece of crap, excuse for a human being, Ms. Terkel whining on her pity pot. The sheer audacity of her asking us to feel sorry for her is enough to make an informed person throw up. Personally I wish I had the opportunity to throw up in her Rat Face.
March 24th, 2009 at 1:38 amOh how interesting the editing processes are on this site.
March 24th, 2009 at 4:19 amSomeone is sneaky.
My post was deleted because it was the first of a negative type.
Again, SHAME Ms T.
You deserve all the KARMA that comes to you.
Be a man and go on the O’Reilly Factor.
I’m sure I’d love to watch you and Bill have a nice discussion.
Your followers here make me laugh with their views.
Close-minded biggots.
You should have totally raped him.
March 24th, 2009 at 5:38 amI watched the encounter, you weren’t being shouted at, and you didn’t know about the Mel Gibson details, which you have now included.
March 24th, 2009 at 6:10 amWhy did you say you were “shouted at” when you weren’t?
I also watched the tape. While I am not a big fan of the approach of catching someone off-guard, you are misrepresenting the encounter. Watters was very civil in his questions and you were clearly proving his point that you took O’Reiley’s comments out of context…. in fact, you so much as admitted that you didn’t do enough research to learn the context.
Then, YOU blame Watters of asking a question without giving you the context of his question. What’s the difference? You’ve already demonstrated that you don’t need the context in order to give opinion.
To top it off, now you’re playing the gender/size card and accusing Fox of “stalking” you and asking you legitimate questions because you your a woman of slight build. C’mon.
March 24th, 2009 at 7:14 amLooks like this used to be a “we love and support poor Amanda site.” Good to know some informed folks are chiming in.
You know it really is concerning seeing young pliable minds being twisted and feeding off of one another. I suppose the awakening comes with the education of time. Perhaps they think that by supporting Ms. Terkel they are being good people considerate of others feelings. Or, it may have more to do with rebelling against father figures.
The party is over sheepy….you now have sheepdogs in the house!
March 24th, 2009 at 10:14 amtpafla:
I have been attacked by someone, actually by several ‘men’, in a gang rape when I was 17, and you do not know what you are talking about. Bill O’Reilly is a ignorant idiot. Whenever he spouts his nonsense that a woman’s way of dressing or the fact that she had a few drinks makes her to blame for anything that happens to her, I want to get a few prison inmates to help him feel what I felt.
Go home and ask the women in your life how they feel about Bill O’Reilly.
March 24th, 2009 at 11:21 amYou “caused pain and suffering” to the Alexa Foundation by “implying” that their keynote speaker was in fact one who believes that a rape victim’s drunkenness and mode of attire cause her to “perhaps expect to be raped.” You then mischaracterized the Alexa Foundation by omitting the crucial aspect of their mission which is focused on supporting women who elect to pursue the prosecution of their attackers despite great emotional and financial cost. You are part of the “smear pipeline” because you admitted on camera that you blogged on the subject without listening to the O’Reilly radio program content, thus exposing yourself to the obvious error of drawing a conclusion based on a snippet of an hour-long radio segment. Poor Amanda, you were a fool – and a tool; O’Reilly called you out and you now feel misused.
March 24th, 2009 at 11:47 amO’Reilly devotes time to your ilk because you are a symptom of a much much greater problem, that of organized smear masquerading as journalism. Sometimes this dreck has the rhetorical fig leaf of providing the words “implied” or “perhaps he meant…” but all too often nowadays the smear mongers simply lie about the facts. Yours was a particularly egregious example of the sort of puerile and effete smear we expect from ThinkProgress because you took the bait so easily and jumped to the conclusion you were told to. That you are so susceptible to suggestion is proved in your question to Watters, “doesn’t Fox News smear people?” You believe that because you were told to.
Near the end of your March 23rd post you state that “O’Reilly should offer an apology/explanation of why, when a woman is raped and murdered, it’s relevant what she was wearing or how much she was drinking.” Had you listened to the radio show, you would know that O’Reilly has already explained precisely why “it is relevant”: the unfortunate young woman’s decisions and lack of personal responsibility contributed to her rape and murder. No apology will be forthcoming, I am sure. You conclude your March 23rd post by clinging to your pathetic smear by “implying” that O’Reilly believes you “deserve” to be ambushed by Fox News because you are a female of small stature. It would have helped if you had dressed more provocatively and consumed a few drinks before your ambush, but I’m sure your fans can hope for more in the future.
Behind the blizzard of contempt for Bill-O, is the unanswered question…to what end did Ms. Terkel attack the rape victim? What was the point of attempting to ruin a fund raising event to help other rape victims? I just don’t get it. You hate Bill-O, fine, attack him. But the illogical notion of attacking him through innocents is unseemly and indefensible.
I watched that segment last night, AND the follow-up with the female attorney who was aghast at Ms. Terkel’s antics.
Shame Ms. Terkel! Rethink your behavior.
March 24th, 2009 at 12:21 pm#284
Lifesart.
It’s unfortunate that someone or several attacked or gang raped you (whichever the case). Hopefully the someone or several who attacked or gang raped you are serving very long prison terms. Know one should have to go thru that.
In defense of Mr O, he was not pointing blame at the victim. What I got out of the segment was that he was applying the common sense rule. Women and men can decrease or increase chances of being victimized based on choices they make and willingness to assume certain risks. Doesn’t let the idiots that commit the crimes off the hook but we all need to do our own personal risk assesment and then make choices based on those risks.
And regardless of what happened to you, your prison inmate comment directed at Mr. O’Reilly was way out of line. If in fact you went thru what you said you did then you wouldn’t wish that torment on others.
By the way, my wife enjoys watching The O’Reilly Factor.
Stop being a sheep and wakeup.
March 24th, 2009 at 1:21 pmI actually feel very sorry for Ms. Terkel because she was really hit with the ugly stick and should not have to be shamed in public.
March 24th, 2009 at 1:40 pmJohnnyOnTheSpot… did your mother have any children that lived?
It’s a wonder that BillO hasn’t died of some horrible anal disorder caused by ramming all the unclean objects he has talked about into it. Surely he’s caused the brain damage that makes him say the things he does.
-Wexler
March 24th, 2009 at 1:44 pmWexler, you are foul. Maybe you should ask Terkel out on a date. I’m sure you two would get along fabulously!
March 24th, 2009 at 2:15 pmI’d like to start by saying that I work for CAP, and what happened to Amanda was wrong, however, you took Bill O’reilly horribly out of context with your attacks. The following is his quote:
“So anyway, these two girls come in from the suburbs and they get bombed, and their car is towed because they’re moronic girls and, you know, they don’t have a car. So they’re standing there in the middle of the night with no car. And then they separate because they’re drunk. They separate, which you never do. All right.
Now Moore, Jennifer Moore, 18, on her way to college. She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning. She’s walking by herself on the West Side Highway, and she gets picked up by a thug. All right. Now she’s out of her mind, drunk.
And the thug takes her over to New Jersey in the cab and kills her and rapes her and does all these terrible things to her. And the thug is so stupid, he uses her cell phone, and the cops trace it back to him and they — and they arrest him and charge him with murder. He had a prostitute girlfriend with him, and she’s charged as an accessory to murder. But Jennifer Moore is in the ground. She’s dead. ”
He obviously does NOT condone the rape. Its this kind of mindless partisan anger that gives liberals a bad name.
March 24th, 2009 at 2:25 pmO´Reilly is a intellectual midget!
March 24th, 2009 at 2:41 pmHey. Emily. It’s not ME that’s foul. It’s BillO who has a fascination with sticking stuff the wrong way up his poop chute.
Or haven’t you heard about his vibrator? I’m sending him a package of C cells to help him out.
-Wexler
March 24th, 2009 at 3:04 pmWexler should take his moronic opinions and his latently gay references to Mr. O’Reilly’s “poop chute” over to the Playgirl Magazine blog page. I am sure he knows how to contact them. He can look up the web address in his copy of the magazine that he keeps by his bed next to the Lubriderm!!
March 24th, 2009 at 3:29 pmPerhaps I’m missing something here. What made you “stalk & harass” O’Reilly at THAT PARTICULAR venue? Maybe it’s because you are such a nobody that, at the cost of anguish to the family AND that poor girl, your “moral” outrage of what O’Reilly said years ago might get more attention at the sake of others. If you’re so against the O’Reilly remarks, why don’t you picket in front of Fox studio? Maybe because people might walk right by you and shake their head at the poor, simpleminded idiot that you seem to be. There’s a time and place for everything. God Bless the people that instinctually know the difference. Get a life.
March 24th, 2009 at 3:31 pmfclibls says: Perhaps I’m missing something here. What made you “stalk & harass” O’Reilly at THAT PARTICULAR venue? Maybe it’s because you are such a nobody that, at the cost of anguish to the family AND that poor girl, your “moral” outrage of what O’Reilly said years ago might get more attention at the sake of others. If you’re so against the O’Reilly remarks, why don’t you picket in front of Fox studio? Maybe because people might walk right by you and shake their head at the poor, simpleminded idiot that you seem to be. There’s a time and place for everything. God Bless the people that instinctually know the difference. Get a life.
Well put-Ms Terkel and her willing useful idiots on the left refuse to accept responsibility for or defend on the merits Ms Terkel’s despicable comments about an innocent crime victim and would rather attempt a non-sequiter in terms of attempting to deflect their responsibility for these horrible statements onto Mr O’Reilly. It appears that the vacuous liberal left can’t defend their own arguements on the merits without personnally denigrating anyone who may disagree with them them. Sounds like a case of left-wing facism-anyone who disagrees with them is a racist, bigot, homophobe, nazi….yep that’s argueing your points on the merits.
March 24th, 2009 at 6:01 pmPoor Ms Terkel-she was followed by a member of the media and asked some questions….the young woman Ms Terkel so visciously denigrated was only followed, targeted and brutally raped. Poor Ms Terkel-she is such a victim here.
March 24th, 2009 at 6:12 pmWa wa wa! You care so much about women but offer no apology for the senseless ambush of Amanda you incited. Bill made a simple analogy that you couldn’t let pass and used to ambush him so you got what you deserved. And you’re stupid to be interviewed and embarrassed on national tv in front of millions! His point was when one drinks bad things CAN happen and MAY be prevented by using better judgment which goes out the window often after a few. Sadly and ironically you helped cause pain to another rape victim by unnecessarily inserting yourself in the discussion. It’s COMMON SENSE that drinking impairs ability to make proper decisions a la Mel Gibson. You have blown this discussion out of proportion and look and sound like the bigger fool. Don’t drink and wander NYC streets at 2 am without protection from the thugs. It’s not her fault there are thugs, but an ounce of prevention goes a long way. That was his point. It’s a conversation many parents have with their kids all the time. Choose you battles carefully next time.
March 24th, 2009 at 6:49 pmAs a rape survivor I was highly insulted that he was even asked to speak at such a function. He’s the one causing pain and suffering to rape victims. Wearing a short skirt isn’t an invitation to ruin someone’s life.
March 24th, 2009 at 10:03 pmI just want to let you know that before today, when the stalking practices of Bill Orally were made more known on the Net and Olbermann, I became aware of you and this site. I frankly wasn’t before. I am now registered with you and intend on following your writing. Thanks, Bill, for the tip!
March 24th, 2009 at 10:10 pmMay you be safe and thrive, Amanda.
And a response to people saying his comments were taken out of context. Yes as victims maybe our situations included bad judgment at some point. I will admit it in my case. However, his comment was just wrong.
Most of us have such a hard time overcoming the guilt that comes along with our situations. I cannot even describe to you all what being raped is like. It’s taken me years to even be able to discuss it. Nine years later and I still think about it every day. My attacker ruined my life for too long.
I hope you can understand how his comments would offend a victim. It sounded to me like he was saying “oh it’s her fault cause she was dressed a certain way”. That’s not a fair assessment. No one has a right to force themselves on someone. I don’t care what that person was doing. I just think the remarks were insensative.
March 24th, 2009 at 10:11 pmWhy is it that O’Rielly did not ask for a response on-air as a responsible journalist would have, to debate and discuss the issues in an open forum. Oh yes, I forgot, he wants to be harassed on vacation about his sexist views. In addition, to the people on this site indicating that it is somehow the victim’s fault, and that it is only Fox news that can “insert” itself in such observations..may you never be violently attacked because of what you wear…only for your “moronic” opinions.
March 24th, 2009 at 10:19 pmAnd Alexa Foundation…hasn’t O’Reilly proved himself enough of an overbearing, sexist demagogue? Do you check out the feminist positions of the guest speakers you invite? You can do better for victims and women in general.
WOW – just saw Amanda on Olbermann – O’reilly better not go up against her – he’s liable to get stung – he’s no match.
March 24th, 2009 at 10:21 pmActually, I think you should have told the truth. You put yourself in the public eye and really have no business complaining about it. I am a contributor to Alexa’s foundation–my own daughter was raped. O’Reilly has gone after judges, criminals and enablers who don’t take rape seriously. As far as I’m concerned, it’s also true that young women should be warned that going to a bar half dressed, drinking in excess then walking down a dark road–is just asking for trouble. This is not to denigrate women–nor say that it’s an excuse for rape–but it doesn’t speak well of the brains of the woman who ignores these warnings–and frankly, my sympathy is limited when it comes to people who whine about the circumstances that they themselves contrived to be in. So get over it. …and now you have an opinion from someone who isn’t a Fox fan, but saw your silly mug on NBC. It’s all about the attention, isn’t it?
March 24th, 2009 at 10:32 pmtpafla, I sincerely, don’t believe Amanda Terkel stated anything disparaging about It Happened to Alexa Foundation. She was only pointing out something that had already been brought by Keith Olbermann. i even signed an online petition addressed to the Board of Directors of the Alexa Foundation. The foundation does incredible work. It helps rape victims and their families navigate through the criminal justice system. Alexa and her family had the means to travel to from their home to court where the assault was committed. many families and victims do not have the money to travel. The criminal justice system can a frustrating process for a victim and the victim’s family. Many victims find the process so frustrating that they drop the charges. if any of you take the time to research the It Happened to Alexa Foundation, you will read that the attorney and Alexa’s rapist accused Alexa of lying and the the sex was consensual and not rape.
The fact that Bill O’Reilly made dreaming and disgusting, and obscene comments about Jennifer Moore was why he had no business speaking at the Alexa Foundation. I know the Jennifer Moore story because it was front page news in NYC where I reside. Jennifer Moore and a friend had left an establishment where they were served alcohol. When the friend went to retrieve her car from the parking lot, the lot was closed. Jennifer wondered off, obviously intoxicated, and unable to consent to anything. A pimp, who was in a cab saw Miss Moore, and asked the cab driver to stop to pick her up. The pimp then took Miss Moore to his motel room where her brutally raped and murdered her. He then left her remains with the trash. Bill O’Reilly blamed Miss Moore for her own kidnapping, assault, and death based on the want her attire was , the time of morning it was and the fact that she intoxicated. Miss Moore is not alive to defend herself. Bill O’Reilly’s comments were beyond insensitive to Miss Moore’s family. The Alexa Foundation should have another well known person to speak at their fundraiser. I am sure they could have a celebrity to help raise funds for their very worth wild organization. It is sad that Board settled with a hateful individual like Bill O’Reilly.
March 24th, 2009 at 10:54 pmUmmm, Siobahn. Your off the charts derangement has made you allergic to reality. Seriously, O’Reilly’s comments were honest, fair, and completely in the realm of decency. Again, talking about how to avoid these kinds of situations, we should look at what happened and learn from it. People like you are sick, ignoring the issues and misrepresenting the comments to the point where you are completely lying about what was said.
March 25th, 2009 at 12:11 amSeriously, this is all a mountain made of a mole-hill. O’Reilly did not say anything offensive or even surprising. People like Terkel who take offense are looking to be offended. That such a small comment, taken horribly out of context, should make its way into any blog or headline shows how very little leftists like Terkel and her supporters actually have to talk about. TERKEL, GET A LIFE AND STOP TRYING TO RUIN OTHERS WHO ACTUALLY MAKE THEIR LIVES WORTHWHILE.
March 25th, 2009 at 1:13 amTerkel is a perfect example of the all-too-common “internet tough guy” (yes, I know she’s technically not a guy). It’s easy to feel insulated and safe from rebuke when you hide behind a keyboard and fire off nasty ad hominem attacks.
What happens when one of her targets actually visited her to ask her to defend and support her attacks in front of a camera and microphone? She cries that she was “stalked, harassed, and ambushed.”
She had an opportunity to defend her column and failed miserably, so she resorts to what she evidently does best: continue to play the attack dog (while simultaneously playing the victim … how ingenious)!
March 25th, 2009 at 1:19 amIt appears that O’JIVELY may have been born with brain damage or has developed some sort of mental condition that is blossoming into total paranoia… but first are the remnants of ILLUSIONS OF GRANDEUR. a real nutcase.
March 25th, 2009 at 3:01 amI’d love to see someone shove a camera in his face and stalk him.
March 25th, 2009 at 11:07 amResponse to #301
Let’s flip the coin over and look at the other side. Mr. O’Reilly could have said…That poor young lady, our hearts go out to her family and that rapist should stay in prison for the rest of his life. End of story. Instead Mr O is a sheepdog. So, he makes comments to perhaps persuade the audience that these things can, in some circumstances, be prevented.
Although I’ve tried to put myself in your shoes, I’m a guy and it’s difficult. I understand how you may take offense as you are ultra sensitive about the subject. You gotta give Mr O some merit for maybe preventing (even just one) someone from making bad choices and becoming a victim.
I have a 16 year old daughter and believe you me the advice and comments Mr. O made are the exact advice/direction I pass onto her. I’m teaching her to become a sheepdog.
Regards,
March 25th, 2009 at 11:42 amdavid
It’s funny how liberals (sheep) resort to namecalling and stupidity when they realize their arguments do not hold water.
March 25th, 2009 at 11:43 amAmanda, O’Reilly and company should be exposed for the fake pious clowns they are. You are right to use their words against them. That said, you probably had fatter targets than this one. The O’Reilly quote as I read it is crass and unsympathetic (and a bit stupid). But I’m not sure it reads as a “blame the victim” rant. In context, this poorly expressed opinion is that being very drunk left her vulnerable.
But the bigger point here seems to be that O’Reilly contorts this into a smear campaign against you and, by extension, the left. Saying you somehow disrespected Alexa Foundation is ludicrous. Did O’Reilly (or Watters) ever explain what sleight you did to the Foundation? It’s particularly ludicrous since you yourself were standing up for victims of rape. And then to include Jeff Zucker as a hate-monger because you have agreed to go on Olbermann?
O’Reilly is a rambling fool. I worked with him in the 80s for a brief time at WCVB-TV in Boston. He did not go over well at a station with thoughtful and award-winning local news. Time has only made him louder and less coherent.
If you need to cleanse yourself of this pathetic chest-beating nonsense. Re-watch his appearance on Letterman. The comedian-statesman and his steady intellect versus the commentator-fool and his bluster and nonsense.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wWOGMKQ1aHo
What a tool.
March 25th, 2009 at 12:20 pmMr. Everett and Mr. Horner:
teverett@newscorp.com,
jhorner@newscorp.com
I am disappointed and rather confused at the choice of the employees
of your company to ambush interview the woman of thinkprogress.org.
Responsible journalists will try to contact individuals and set up a
meeting or at least ask for a statement; but to stake out a woman’s
home then follow her for two hours and ambush interview her?
I find this to be an action of a coward and a person of very little
respect for the integrity of their fellow human beings and journalism
as a whole.
Several female and male friends of mine over the years have been
victims of sexually violent attacks and what all mature, responsible,
educated individuals know is that what a person wears or does not wear
has no bearing on how a rapist may choose their victim.
Mr. Oreilly’s statements from this event and past remarks listed below
show his true colors of a scared little man with a big mouth. This is
a new low for Mr. O’Reilly and your company. I honestly wonder how any
employee of this sham of a ‘news’ corporation can sleep at night.
“She was 5-foot-2, 105 pounds, wearing a miniskirt and a halter top
with a bare midriff. Now, again, there you go. So every predator in
the world is gonna pick that up at two in the morning”
“there was an element here that this kid liked about this circumstances”
“The situation here for this kid looks to me to be a lot more fun than
what he had under his old parents. He didn’t have to go to school. He
could run around and do whatever he wanted.”
Perhaps the goons at Fox News should pick on someone their own size in
the future and ambush interview the scum on an outhouse pond.
Shame on Fox News.
March 25th, 2009 at 12:20 pmHow did they track her down.
March 25th, 2009 at 4:05 pmWhen because it is a free country, OH except when you are confronting a left winger then they want to shut you down.
Only the left can decide who and what is free. There version of free is give the demacraps everything and we will decide who gets what. Does not work that way. And remember, this website is here to stamp out the LEFT WING LIEs, pass it on
I wonder if Miss Terkel has the guts to appear on O’Reilly…has the guts to face someone who will actually question her motives and actions, unlike Booberman who just drools at anything on he left and has a hard on for O’Reilly’s ratings.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:45 pmloganscloud
Did you have the same reaction when the press stalked Levi Johnston in Alaska to bombard him with personal questions about his child and relationship to Bristol Palin? probably not…typical liberal hypocrits.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:46 pmAmanda…you were AWESOME on Countdown. Thanks for your courage in speaking out and the eloquence of your message. I think I have a crush on you. :)
And Kongfish?(above)Your sparkling grammar and total disregard of the facts as presented by the author speaks volumes. You better hope free speech is never truly threatened because if it is I’m betting the ignorant people would be the first to be deprived of the right. And then we would all miss out on your eloquent, thoughtful musings.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:47 pmTJF…someone is ignorant because they have a differing opinion than yours?
March 25th, 2009 at 5:48 pmIt all comes down to the decisions you make and the situations you put yourself in. In a perfect world, everybody would be happy and be able to wear and do whatever they wanted without fear of not-so-good consequences. Unfortunately, that is not the case. You have to point out bad decisions as examples and also to make yourself think about what you getting yourself into…like you know what, ‘maybe that’s not such a good idea.’
March 25th, 2009 at 8:31 pmThis entire issue is another example of the internet causing more harm that good. It is amazing that someone like Amanda Terkel, with no academic or professional achievements, can potentially reach millions with a story with absolutely no value add to society.
Then again, most of the libs on this site have no value add to a democratic society, so Amanda is not alone.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:36 pmWow! You people sure are full of hate. Why is it necessary to hate people you disagree with? Just wondering, but does anybody really think Olberman is a serious journalist? He’s another hate filled wind-bag, but as long as he hates the same people you hate, I guess that makes it ok.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:43 pmC´mon, that´s thuggery. Someone writes something that O´Reilly doesn´t like. If he(Or She) refuses to go to O´Reilly Show(Where he won´t be able to talk to O´Reilly, because he doesn´t allow ANYONE to tallk in his show) then he sends that stupid kid to make that stupid questions while the “victim” is off-guard?
I REALLY don´t like CAP, and I sometimes watch O´Reilly and I find entertaining, but if O´Reilly thinks that Olbermann and Amanda are misrepresenting what he says he should simly clarify that he doesn´t blame victms on rape and that he is sorry if anyone is misunderstood.
And most of the people that O´Reilly crew ambushes are either women or elderly people, for obvious reasons.
March 25th, 2009 at 11:53 pmI’m gonna have a series of responses here so please bear with me. If I’ve missed anyone please let me know.
#323 – You’re a liar. Take your pretentious bag of stones back to the river and let the water of truth clean them up for you.
#322 – You’re a hypocrite. Calling someone a windbag that others may like is doing nothing more than causing more bitterness.
#318 – You’re a knight in shining armor. If you can shine a turd that is.
#314 – She saw them coming had time to prepare, even if only for 30 seconds. If the truth was on her side she would have been prepared for any line of questioning. If you’re being dishonest, even in the smallest regard, you’ll look like a babbling idiot and fane surprise. Ask for an interview….gimme a break. Even a prepared lie will be exposed.
In your second paragraph you say what a person wears or does has no bearing? So what you’re saying is that even if she was at church that evening and the mass had just ended and she was walking with a friend back to her car that chances are the same that she’d become a victim. Please….. You’re not a sheep my friend you’re an OSTRICH. So go ahead and spew your empty words but with your head in the sand no one will hear you except for the other ostriches.
Liberal fighting for the cause of Ms. Terkel you may as well stop because it’s evident that your arguments are empty.
Be warned I carry a large bag of stones, not because i’m perfect or think I’m right all the time, it’s just because I like skipping stones across the heads of liberals trying to muck up the waters of truth.
March 26th, 2009 at 9:50 amToo bad the unabomber isn’t around anymore. He should be released if he sends a bomb that sends O’Reilly to hell.
March 26th, 2009 at 3:47 pmOmg i just read the sexual harrassment suit against Billo! H’es even more of a disgusting perv that i thought! He’s a damn rapist in the making! No wonder he thinks rape is the victims fault! Only the mind of a rapist would think like that!
March 26th, 2009 at 7:30 pmYou POOR BABY! You can dish it out, but you can’t take it! Grow a thicker skin or get out of the business. Take your wacky teeth and moon-shaped head and get a job at McDonald’s!
March 26th, 2009 at 7:57 pmPerhaps we should start writing articles about Amanda, stretching the truth and taking things out of context and see how SHE likes it! She’s a tool and she was used like a tool.
The good that came out of this is that I learned about this site. And now I’m a member.
I seen the spot on TV. “Ambush” is the only way to describe it.
Just 30-seconds in a cage with Billo – that’s all I ask, just 30-seconds to reduce him to a grease-spot on the mat.
Meanwhile, Herber Khaury is a toad. And “poof” – he’s still a toad – no matter how many times Billo kisses him.
March 27th, 2009 at 1:02 amTerkel, you’re a stupid twisted sick person. Get some help. I listened to O’Reilly’s radio program that you referred to and you were wrong (you can listen to it on his web site). He was right to call you on it. You got nailed…big time. Your credibility is ruined.
Quit whining and do your homework next time.
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March 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pmI submitted a comment last night here on this thread, asking someone to distinguish O’Reilly’s techniques from those of Michael Moore. I said I suspected that O’Reilly was more egregious, but wanted to make sure we weren’t being hypocritical in support of Michael Moore and not O’Reilly.
I WAS CENSORED and the comment is gone. I came to ThinkProgress for the first time because of Olbermann’s mentioning it, expecting excellence.
I AM SO DISAPPOINTED IN THIS CENSORSHIP.
Delete this comment too, if you are afraid.
–Disappointed progressive voice
March 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pmwhile I am absolutely no fan of B.O. I have heard his full comment on this young woman and he has a point. HOWEVER, it doesn’t say much for him to have a couple of junior reporters follow someone like he did just to “call them on the carpet”. How would he feel if two men followed his daughter? He would make it his mission to bring down people like that. If this was really important to him, he should have continued to talk about it on his radio and tv program, e-mail her, call her office, don’t let it die down until Ms. Terkel responds…..make her sick of hearing from him. What B.O. did is no different that what the papparazzi do to celebrities…..doesn’t he rant about them? Is this what they taught you when you anchored Inside Edition, B.O.?
March 28th, 2009 at 8:00 amWhile I sympathize with your ire over a newsperson “following you.” I can’t but help notice that “Cheshire Cat,” grin of yours.
You must be a very delicate flower to be so damaged by some
putz with poor manners. Where you admitted into the emergency room as well?
While I personally think O’Reilly a pompous windbag, one of the reasons he is so popular is because people like you make much ado about nothing. The fact is that by far the majority of Americans agree with O’Reilly’s assessment of both Jennifer Moore’s and Mel Gibson’s lack of discretion and common sense.
March 28th, 2009 at 10:07 amThey further agree that Alchohol was a contributing factor in both their poor decisions.
I also think most people would also agree that you making a “tempest in a teapot” and taking personal advantage of O’Reilly’s poor choices really only shows that you and O’Reilly are a lot more alike than I’m comfortable with.
LMFAO!!!!
What you liberal wing-dings need to remember is that there are more of us than there are of you. Normally the conservative hard-working citizens who BUILT this nation are busy living and enjoying their lives…minding their own business. Now we’re beginning to get angry…you’re awaking the sleeping giant.
O’Reilly DOMINATES the air much to the chagrin of the speech impediment crew at MSNBC [matthews drools & spits, olbermann has the lisp] by nearly 2 to 1.
You insects really dont like it when you get a taste of your own medicine.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:06 pmYou go Bill….keep exposing these idiots for the frauds that they truly are.
So, let me get this straight, you think it’s smart for a young woman to be walking alone at 2:00 AM scantily dressed and stoned out of her mind? And if I disagree, I’m an idiot. OK, got it.
March 28th, 2009 at 1:10 pmI AM AFRAID TO SAY THAT FOX WON ON THIS PR MATTER. IT WAS VERY INSULTING WHAT YOU DID TO THIS FOUNDATION CAUSE
March 28th, 2009 at 1:28 pmO’Reilly’s producer was seeking comment on why you were harassing a rape victim and her family. I happened to see the segment in question. Another great moment of liberal compassion. In order to help rape victims, you harass a rape victim who you disagree with. O’Reilly was helping the rape victim raise money while you were harassing the rape victim, but you are so smart, you’re the PC police. Bravo! Big Brother will be pleased with you.
March 28th, 2009 at 2:59 pmalthough i have some issues with fox…I must say that they are destroying their competitors in ALL categories when it comes to ratings,etc.SOOOO UPS…you are shooting your own foot with your customer base.
I prefer Fed Ex anyway, comparing UPS to Fed EX is is like comparing Mexico to USA
March 28th, 2009 at 6:16 pmLet’s get back on topic. Listen to ENTIRE radio broadcast. Bill delivered the “cautionary tale” for 18 year-olds that no other media person delivers. NOBODY in their right mind believes he DESERVED it. His point: this is the “reason”, what can happen when you’re “hammered”, “you don’t have anybody watching over you”, “predators everywhere”, “terrible murder”, “poor girl”, “unintended consequences”, “our society”, “needs to be said”. Don’t attend the Amanda Terkel School of Logical Reasoning for Childless People? Don’t Drink And Drive! Don’t Drink And Wander The Streets! NO SPIN Amanda!
March 29th, 2009 at 1:24 pmWhy are so many people watching Fox if O’Reilley is such the horrible person? Terkel was on Olberman (a loser), twice already bagging on O’Reilly since her ambush by Watters. If you write or make comments about people, expect to be confronted. Otherwise ger another job. People are sick of Obambi and his administration so far. He blows.
March 29th, 2009 at 4:58 pmraynman Says:
Doesn’t seem to be much difference between Bill O’Reilly and Howard Stern, does there?
Howard Stern spent years criticizing Bush to an audience of millions and as far as I know, he’s never implied that anybody deserves to be raped. I don’t really see what they have in common.
March 29th, 2009 at 8:04 pmI hate to say it, but you know, wearing provocative clothing and being drunk are in fact unsafe behaviors. It’s like disabling your firewall and antivirus — if your computer gets infected, hey, you didn’t do anything wrong. It’s the virus programmer’s fault. But if you don’t want to get a computer virus, don’t disable your firewall. If you don’t want to be robbed at gunpoint, don’t wear a fancy suit and your solid gold watch to the back alleys of a dangerous area of town. If you don’t want to be raped, don’t wear clothing that will attract criminals, make sure you have your wits about you, and if you’re going to be drunk, make sure you have a sober friend you can trust nearby. Actually, this one’s pretty key whenever you’re going to be drunk, because being raped and killed isn’t the only thing that could happen to you if you’re drunk.
Of course, that’s no excuse for stalking anyone.
March 30th, 2009 at 5:55 amBill O’Reilly does not know what he is talking about. All woman should be allowed to wear any piece of clothing they want to. Nobody should dictate what a woman should or should not wear. Why did he stalk her? Call the local Police is what she should have done. Just so he could get fuel for his hourly news show and promote his books?
Women should be given the same rights as men, if the woman appears drunk we blame the victim if she is raped. “Oh, she should have not been alone, or with friends to help her out.” Is it better for her to lock the doors and remain afraid of life?
If she was a man this would not have been discussed but because she is a woman, who is wearing beautiful clothing, and appears drunk, we don’t blame the stalker/rapist, oh no, he was sexually aroused by what she was wearing, that gives the rapist/stalker the right to follow here. Secondly, the fact she appeared drunk is another reason for men attacking her/stalking her? Some men think they can get away with something or ?…she won’t remember what actually happened, so if this goes to court, I can always blame the alcohol, she appeared drunk.”
This is just another way of blaming (the victim) woman and not the stalker/rapist and saying to woman, “It was your fault, you should not have gone out (shopping that day and bought that gorgeous outfit, gone to the hair and nail salon and got all fixed up) for a nice evening with friends; had a little too much to drink and with your physical presence attract a stalker/rapist. That’s the kind of attitude that allows more men to think, “I can get away with sexually abusing and/or raping her.” Baloney! Bill O’Reilly and his “bully of a producer,” should not be fostering this sexually discrimination of Amanda. She should have called the local Police. Isn’t stalking someone still illegal in this country or are producers of big name TV shows allowed special rights?
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