Ford employee responds: ‘I agree with you about the rantings of the hopelessly pig-headed Mr. O’Reilly.’
Ford employee responds: ‘I agree with you about the rantings of the hopelessly pig-headed Mr. O’Reilly.’
Mark Schirmer, a spokesman for Ford Motor Company (which owns Lincoln and Volvo), contacted ThinkProgress this afternoon, in response to your emails calling on O’Reilly’s corporate advertisers to stop supporting the O’Reilly Harassment Machine. Schirmer — speaking for himself and not on behalf of Ford — said he agrees with the thrust of ThinkProgress’ criticisms of O’Reilly, but explained that Ford advertises on the show because it has high ratings:
I agree with you about the rantings of the hopelessly pig-headed Mr. O’Reilly, recognize that I am just an innocent bystander in this email letter silliness. I work at Ford and support Ford, but have no idea how the decisions are made on where we advertise. Frankly, as a mainstream company, we advertise everywhere there are good ratings. That is not an endorsement of the show — that is recognition that people are watching the show. Don’t know why they watch that mindless ranting. But they watch in droves. Welcome to America, I guess.
Schirmer, again speaking for himself, added, “I saw the tapes of O’Reilly ambushing Hertzberg of the New Yorker a few month back. It demonstrated how moronic O’Reilly really is.” He concluded that “what Bill O’Reilly does or says is not important.” Getting Ford back on its feet though, “that is important.”
Keep up the pressure. Click here to tell O’Reilly’s advertisers to stop supporting the O’Reilly Harassment Machine.
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Let me get this straight, the guy agrees that Billo is a moron, but wont hold back the advertising because of the size Billo’s audience? Isn’t there such a thing called dignity? How many old farts buy new cars? How many paranoid, undereducated, lonely dudes buy new cars? Because that’s what Billo’s audience is.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:16 pmunashamed whoring.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:16 pmdid anyone expect any less? or more?
How long before Bildo will set his Factor Gestapo on staking out and ambushing Mr. Schirmer?
March 25th, 2009 at 5:18 pmOh well….this narrows my decision down to two car companies….since I will never buy a Ford…especially when they support evil in the likes of O’Reily.
F***you Ford!!!
March 25th, 2009 at 5:19 pmhttp://gawker.com/5180834/canada-mistakes-fox-news-greg-gutfeld-for-person-of-influence Speaking of rants.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:20 pmThey only advertise on there because of it’s high ratings? I only buy vehicles from company’s that don’t advertise on shows promoting hate. Guess I won’t be buying a ford anything from now on, oh and AT&T shouldn’t expect I ever renew a contract with them, plenty of other companies to take my money.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:21 pmI would rather walk than buy a
Fix
March 25th, 2009 at 5:21 pmOr
Repair
Daily
I’m not surprised – it’s all about money and ratings. Forget about integrity.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:22 pmWell Mr Schirmer, that kind of attitude sucks, and my next car certainly won’t be a Ford.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:26 pmHey Zooey, at least he was honest.
And you realize this article just cost that guy his job, right?
March 25th, 2009 at 5:30 pmI got an auto-reply from Volvo. The email is being sent to the guy’s Blackberry.
I’ll bet anyone $1 that his Blackberry is beginning to give off smoke. :-D
March 25th, 2009 at 5:30 pmI’m sort of stunned by the unapologetic honesty.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:30 pmYou all have nothing better to do and rant about than Bill O’Reilly? Huh. Interesting.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:31 pmI mean he did bash Oreilly, and hard. Real hard. And in writing too.
To a progressive blog.
:|
Poor guys toast.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:32 pmFord advertises on the show because it has high ratings:
– - Well, duuuh. That’s always been the unholy, symbiotic relationship between advertisers and highly rated shows they advertise.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:34 pmExpect Mr. O’Reilly to be giving the pinhead award to the spokesman and then calling him a communist and attacking his family. He will then probably send somebody to ambush interview him, and play it and give out all his personal info. Sounds about right.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:34 pmYeah, its funny how people circle the wagons when some d-bag stalks one of their own across state lines.
and by ‘funny’ I mean ‘rational and expected’. What’s your excuse for having nothing better to do than complain about the ‘ranters’?
March 25th, 2009 at 5:34 pmunfortunately, it’s more likely that the guy will get fired for speaking to TP like human beings and not like a flack.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:37 pmIt’s “funny” and “expected” that think “progress” has nothing better to do but rag on one man’s opinions because he stands up for what he feels is right, wheter you agree or disagree. What’s progressive about that? You don’t that this girl was stalked across state lines other than trusting what she said…no one really knows the truth. It’s typical…believe what you want to suit your own agenda.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:37 pmThen what does it say about you that you’re here watching us do it?
March 25th, 2009 at 5:38 pmLook at it this way. There are lots of liberal and progressive blogs out there that use web advertising programs to make money. And many of those are “banner ads”. And in many of those banner ads you’ll see all sorts of things for sale. Like Bill Oreilly’s books. Ann Coulter’s books. Etc.
Advertising is advertising. Boycotting sponsors is just not going to work because on the liberal side we cannot summon the goosestep like mentality necessary to get everyone to boycott an entire firm for a single decision that we don’t happen to agree with. Advertising decisions are clearly not in this guys hands, and I for one applaud his frank honesty.
Not to mention his outspoken and harsh criticism of Oreilly, which I think is the real story here.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:38 pmthis guy should get a press flack transparency award
March 25th, 2009 at 5:39 pmI work at Ford and support Ford, but have no idea how the decisions are made on where we advertise.
Yet, if they showed a hint of something Ford objected too, ratings or not, they’d yank that sponsorship faster’n you can say ‘falafel.’
I’d rather not do business with a corporation that subsidizes threats, intimidation, and lies; but Ford is apparently very comfortable amongst such company; Must be the residue from when their craven corporate cowardice compelled them to refuse to fix a design problem, resulting in “the barbecue that seats four:”
I heard “F-150″ stands for ‘Flammable.’
March 25th, 2009 at 5:41 pmagreed. he did know you were going to post this, right?
March 25th, 2009 at 5:41 pmThat guy was a complete jerk, that’s okay, I want a Honda anyway.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:42 pmhey aksarben60:
what “funny” and “expected” is your moronic misuse of quotations, because it going completely along with your simplistic judgments of this site, and your definition of progressive. It’s a political identification, which usually goes against everything that comes out of O’Reilly’s mouth. And if pulled your head out of your ass, you’d see the majority of blog postings and thread discussions are not about O’Reilly. you see what you want with your prejudice and stupidity. It’s sad that you don’t see the pathetic irony of your “point.”
March 25th, 2009 at 5:44 pmShorter Ford spokesman: “We’ll advertise on snuff-flicks.com provided enough eyeballs are looking at it.”
March 25th, 2009 at 5:44 pm“No one really knows the truth”? Are you serious? She does. There is video. Outdoors.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:45 pm2 girls, 1 cup… brought to you by Godiva…
(ugh…even i think i went too far there)
March 25th, 2009 at 5:47 pmTo clarify, the F-150 catches fire, too:
Unfortunately for hate-supporters like Ford, TP gets good ratings too. “I’m not knocking Ford, it’s just recognition that people are watching the blog.”
Right?
March 25th, 2009 at 5:49 pmSo by this argument, Ford is saying if Hitler had high ratings they would have gladly advertised on his show of insanity?
March 25th, 2009 at 5:49 pmObviously Ford has no morals and/or knows that these are the types of people who drive their vehicles. Either way Ford is a bad company to begin with that makes horrible cars and is why they are going down the tubes. Hasta la vista baby!!!
I think Mister Schirmer’s kind of a hero here.
I mean, he is a SPOKESMAN for Ford, and he sends an actual email to TP calling Bill Oreilly’s show “mindless rantings”?
:O
“hopelessly pigheaded”….?
:)
I think this guys got balls as big as church bells.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:50 pm“Ford is saying if Hitler had high ratings they would have gladly advertised on his show of insanity?”
Say, wasn’t Henry Ford an anti-semitic Nazi sympathizer?
March 25th, 2009 at 5:50 pmWhy would you trust Bill O’Rielly over Amanda when Bill wasn’t even there? Who had an agenda when Amanda was harassed? Your reasoning lacks logic. Or are you believing what you want to fit your view of reality? You need glasses.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:51 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
Hey Zooey, at least he was honest.
And you realize this article just cost that guy his job, right?
March 25th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
I see nothing about him losing his job. Where did you get that information?
I maintain that the attitude sucks. If he’s just an “innocent bystander,” then he needs to direct us to whomever is in charge of handling the problem.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:52 pmMark Schirmer, Olbermann’s Best Person in the Woooorrrrllllddd. For calling it like he sees it.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:52 pmaksarben60 Says:
It’s “funny” and “expected” that think “progress” has nothing better to do but rag on one man’s opinions because he stands up for what he feels is right, wheter you agree or disagree.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
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You think that’s pathetic? Just look at the morons who spend their days trolling ThinkProgress cause they can’t stand a liberal blog’s opinions about Bill O’Reilly’s disgusting tactics.
Talk about nothing better to do, eh?
March 25th, 2009 at 5:56 pmlivelongandprosper
I don’t believe either one…try not to be so presumptiuos. There’s always three sides to every story…his side, her side and the truth. I don’t have enough information yet to decide what to believe and I am not on to believe everything I hear, whether it’s from the left or from the right.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:58 pmYes Mr. Schirmer, take us to Your Leader .
March 25th, 2009 at 5:58 pmThe Ford name goes on without an ad on Bill-O’s stalk hour. It would just affect Bill-O and not all of Fixed News’s programming, right?
March 25th, 2009 at 5:58 pmHey Hussein…I guess that makes us both pathetic…we’re both here, aren’t we? By the way…I didn’t use the word pathetic in my post, you did.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:59 pmPlease don’t feed the trolls. Fox News has them on a special diet of fear, outrage and bullshit.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:59 pmZooey Says:
I see nothing about him losing his job. Where did you get that information?
I maintain that the attitude sucks. If he’s just an “innocent bystander,” then he needs to direct us to whomever is in charge of handling the problem.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
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He allowed himself to be quoted, on the record, bashing his employer’s advertising policies. There is no “speaking for yourself” when you identify yourself as a spokesman for an organization. Public relations doesn’t work that way.
I’d fire him for that, were I his supervisor.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:59 pmaksarben60
What makes you think the information isn’t in? It’s been several days now, shouldn’t you read up?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:00 pmaksarben60 Says:
Hey Hussein…I guess that makes us both pathetic…we’re both here, aren’t we? By the way…I didn’t use the word pathetic in my post, you did.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
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Um, you just did. Twice. That makes you patheticer, since you used the word “pathetic” 200% more than I did. So there.
TALK ABOUT OWNED
March 25th, 2009 at 6:00 pm33. WAYNEBRO Says: I mean, he is a SPOKESMAN for Ford, and he sends an actual email to TP calling Bill Oreilly’s show “mindless rantings”?
“Mindless rantings” that his company is paying to perpetuate. There is a recognition among corporations that you can say anything you want, as long as what you do is tow the party line.
Many a congressman publicly criticized bush and everyone did the fist-pump reading it….meanwhile, that same congressman voted for everything bush sent his way.
Everything.
Schirmer knows that his quote doesn’t mean squat in the news cycle and won’t last long, but his advertising will continue to subsidize O’Reilly’s paycheck and the station operations of the corporations that beam O’Reilly’s stupidity practically worldwide.
Schirmer isn’t more brave, he just knows how it works.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:00 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
He allowed himself to be quoted, on the record, bashing his employer’s advertising policies. There is no “speaking for yourself” when you identify yourself as a spokesman for an organization. Public relations doesn’t work that way.
I’d fire him for that, were I his supervisor.
March 25th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
I agree 100%, HT.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:01 pmFord Motor Company = Our motto is Profit over Priorities ; which is why we’ve lost billions of dollars recently ………
March 25th, 2009 at 6:01 pmRealness
Moronic? what misuse of quotations? I didn’t call you a name, why do you have to be so unprogressive and call me a moron, you don’t even know me or what I believe!
March 25th, 2009 at 6:01 pmI’m sure you have nothing better to do than listen to Bill O’Reilly rant. Not interesting.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:01 pmFrom inside my brain.
The guys a Spokesman for Ford Motor Company and he goes on record to a progressive blog calling one of his advertising vehicles shows “mindless rantings” ? And “hopelessly pigheaded”?
The guys toast.
:|
Either that or he’s in for one hell of a promotion.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:02 pmUm, you just did. Twice. That makes you patheticer, since you used the word “pathetic” 200% more than I did. So there.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:04 pm—-
If you read the previous post, you will note I did not use the word pathetic. And, “patheticer” isn’t a word.
19. aksarben60 Says:
It’s “funny” and “expected” that think “progress” has nothing better to do but rag on one man’s opinions because he stands up for what he feels is right, wheter you agree or disagree.
So did Hitler…
March 25th, 2009 at 6:04 pmshoeless…I listen to a lot of people rant…don’t assume I only listen to O’Reilly. I try my best to listen to both sides.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:05 pmI figured the adult diapers like Depends and Geritol would be Billo’s main advertisers. After all most of the people who watch him are elderly and paranoid spazzes.
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Yes, we get that a lot from right-wingers these days. Since even you wingnuts realize you can no longer defend your heinous ideology, you act like both sides are equally bad. Did you really think you were the first Republican to come here with that ruse?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:05 pmWhat nerve.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:05 pmHanshiro…you’re right…you’re extreme in the comparison, but you’re right. We all try to stand up for what we believe is right…silly to compare O’Reilly to Hitler, though. I would never compare a left talking head to Hitler.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:06 pmWhat did you want him to say?
Condemn his own company?
Quit his job in the worst financial crisis in US history?
Commit Hari Kari?
Come on people. This is not kindergarten.
The guy took one hell of a chance even TALKING to TP, much less providing a written quote calling Bill Oreilly “hopelessly pigheaded”. He most likely will lose his job.
And that’s no mean thing in this tight economy. People need their jobs. Look at Janean Garafolo. She’s working on 24 for Pete’s sake.
24!
Yet everyones still rooting for her on Bill Maher.
Advertising is advertising. Its not endorsement. People work for all sorts of places and they don’t up and quit their jobs over it, especially in the middle of a the worst financial crisis we’ve seen in our lifetimes.
This guy took a real chance, and its likely he won’t be around for long. Unless of course some of his bosses are as cool as he was.
He’s the spokesman for Ford. Not a used car salesmen. He put his ass on the line here and I for one think he deserves credit for it.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:06 pmshoeless
there’s another assumption that I am republican. Just because I’m not the first person to use that “ruse” doesn’t mean we don’t all believe it. What is wrong with holding both sides accountable for things? what is wrong with trying to listen to both sides to have a better understanding of what is going on and why do you assume that it’s some sort of lie?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:07 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
Zooey Says:
I see nothing about him losing his job. Where did you get that information?
From inside my brain.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Right. So I won’t worry about it.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:07 pmAnd which side would Bill O’Reilly be on? Is there a side reserved just for lying a$$holes?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:07 pmaksarben60
FLAGGED for filling up the thread with nonsense.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:09 pmWe basically hate his guts along with the rest of Americans not watching his show each night. See?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:10 pmOh, I’m sure you do believe it. Cognitive dissonance is a requirement to be a Republican these days.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:10 pmDAMN! I already boycott Ford – bought a lemon from them once and they wouldn’t do a thing to set things right. Swore we’d never buy a Ford product again. And we’re sticking to it.
I guess this shows that Ford SUCKS on a variety of levels – and the bad PR I give them (every chance I get) is justified. So maybe I’m really just about 11 years ahead of the game here.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:11 pm*
Oh Zooey…you are so typical. Nonsense is only nonsense when you don’t agree or are threatened. It’s a free nation honey and I believe this site is dedicated to social justice so let’s be equal!
March 25th, 2009 at 6:11 pmI’m so very tired of the trolls on here who post a judgmental comment about regular TP posters on here, making sweeping judgments about ‘liberals’ or TP in general, and then get all teary-eyed when people call them out on it. aksarben60 is a perfect example of it. He firsts posts a judgment about TP and progressives, and now he’s trying to act sad for being called out for the troll he is.
why are you here?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:12 pmtrittydi…I had the same problem with a Ford car once…total lemon and they didn’t really seem to care.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:12 pm59. aksarben60 Says: Hanshiro…you’re right…you’re extreme in the comparison, but you’re right. We all try to stand up for what we believe is right…silly to compare O’Reilly to Hitler, though. I would never compare a left talking head to Hitler.
I didn’t compare O’Reilly to Hitler. I presented a figure that would also fit your stated criteria:
one man’s opinions because he stands up for what he feels is right, wheter you agree or disagree.
..but would present somewhat of a different perspective to your over-generalization. For something closer to the mark of hate-radio and divisive sacpegoating which O’Reilly indulges in regularly, look up RTLM, the station that fomented violence, suspicion, and animosity towards a specific group, resulting in the Rwandan genocide.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:13 pmOh, I’m sure you do believe it. Cognitive dissonance is a requirement to be a Republican these days.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:14 pm—-
that was mean, shoeless. Again…you don’t know what party I’m affiliated with. Why in the world would you think that I’m lying to you about this? Why in the world would you think that someone you don’t even know is dishonest simply because I speak my mind?
“It’s a free nation honey”
Ahhh, excuse me, but why are you using ‘honey’? Are you a sexist Pig? And saying things like, ‘let’s be equal!’? Let me guess, you go to an Evangelical church each Sunday, think you’re better than everyone else on the planet, are indeed a right winger, and are here pretending to be a liberal to fit in and pretend to be ‘concerned’ about the world today in the hopes you can control the message in future weeks after you ‘faked us out’?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:15 pmSo now we’re insulting? Ok.
Well sorry Zooey, that I actually think for myself. We can’t all be like you, you know.
Not everyone has the ability to only hold a thought when an article or “source” has provided it for them.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:16 pmRealness Says:
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I’m so very tired of the trolls on here who post a judgmental comment about regular TP posters on here, making sweeping judgments about ‘liberals’ or TP in general, and then get all teary-eyed when people call them out on it. aksarben60 is a perfect example of it. He firsts posts a judgment about TP and progressives, and now he’s trying to act sad for being called out for the troll he is.
why are you here?
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March 25th, 2009 at 6:17 pmAksarben is a SHE, not a HE and I’m hear because I can be and I want to see what the liberals are saying. Nothing wrong with that? Prove me wrong…prove me wrong my perception that liberals are generally closed minded and judgemental? I have this perception and if someone can prove me wrong but simply engaging in a conversation like an adult and not by being mean and assuming about me, then I’ll back off. Until then…bring it!
Ahhh, poor baby. I told you, we’ve seen this schtik a thousand times around here. You are a Republican, but you cannot defend the Republicans, so you act as if you are some other mysterious thing, who came here to tell us we are just as bad as Republicans. You aren’t fooling anyone.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:17 pmYou all have nothing better to do and rant about than Bill O’Reilly? Huh. Interesting.
It’s “funny” and “expected” that think “progress” has nothing better to do but rag on one man’s opinions because he stands up for what he feels is right, wheter you agree or disagree. What’s progressive about that? You don’t that this girl was stalked across state lines other than trusting what she said…no one really knows the truth. It’s typical…believe what you want to suit your own agenda.
aksarben60, why are you still talking? are you moralizing at people on this site? because these are first two comments- first implying a judgment of people on here, and not on the topic, and when you do get around to the topic, you’re not even informed enough to offer anything useful.
either you have a personality disorder, or you a 1st class troll who is upset that people think differently than his small world or c) all of the above.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:19 pmAhhh, excuse me, but why are you using ‘honey’? Are you a sexist Pig? And saying things like, ‘let’s be equal!’? Let me guess, you go to an Evangelical church each Sunday, think you’re better than everyone else on the planet, are indeed a right winger, and are here pretending to be a liberal to fit in and pretend to be ‘concerned’ about the world today in the hopes you can control the message in future weeks after you ‘faked us out’?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:20 pm—-
You’re right…I shouldn’t have used “honey” but I am a woman not a man and not a sexist pig. I do go to church every sunday and what is wrong with that? I in no way think I am better than everyone else…in fact I think everyone is much better than me. What made you think I was pretending to be a liberal…I don’t pretend to be something I’m not. I am absolutely concerned about the world, just like everyone here, I just have different beliefs is all.
WAYNEBRO Says:
So now we’re insulting? Ok.
Well sorry Zooey, that I actually think for myself. We can’t all be like you, you know.
Not everyone has the ability to only hold a thought when an article or “source” has provided it for them.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Excuse the holy f uck out of me, Bart.
Go ahead and take my response to you as an insult — that’s what you do. Get over yourself.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:21 pmShoeless….please prove to me how you know I’m a republican and not an independant or libertarian??
March 25th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
March 25th, 2009 at 6:21 pmSCRAM!
Your hypocrisy is so telling. Hey, instead of backing off, why don’t you and your cognitive dissonance step the F off.
You have a mental problem.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:22 pmI just noticed that Dogfight has been BANNED, so I think I know the identity of the new troll. Looks like she is learning another approach to trolling.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:22 pmSCRAM!
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March 25th, 2009 at 6:23 pmNo! Prove to me you are what you say you are…liberals say they are the open minded party….prove it to me!
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Aksarben is a SHE, not a HE and I’m hear because I can be and I want to see what the liberals are saying. Nothing wrong with that? Prove me wrong…prove me wrong my perception that liberals are generally closed minded and judgemental? I have this perception and if someone can prove me wrong but simply engaging in a conversation like an adult and not by being mean and assuming about me, then I’ll back off. Until then…bring it!
apologies, aksarben. Stupidity knows no gender.
You come to a progressive blog where progressive people talk amongst THEMSELVES, cast righteous judgment, and then sit back with your arms folded saying “prove me wrong” about liberals being close-minded and judgmental?
What an intelligent experiment you’ve just done! Looks like it was rigged from the start. We have nothing to prove to you, as this site wasn’t built for outreach to simple-minded conservatives.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:23 pmBSG….this is my first time on this blog…never even heard of it until I saw Amanda Terkel on Olberman last night.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:24 pmEither way, you are a right-winger. If you claim to be an inderpendent, it’s just because you are ashamed say you are a Republican. You may well be a Libertarian, but Libertarians vote nearly unanimously for the Republicans.
So, it doesn’t matter what you call yourself. You are essentially a Republican.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:24 pmHow do we know you’re a republican? BECAUSE YOU CHANGE THE SUBJECT OF THE THREAT EVERY SINGLE TIME. All right wing trolls do this to divert the readers away from the message of the post. Some of you are called trolls for doing this, but I’ve defined trolls as:
Right wingers who live under the front porch of the American Taliban (GOP Headquarters) who wait for the hate-snack to be fed to them, so they can go on their merry way to go after liberals for being OPEN MINDED which scares the bee-jesus out them.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:24 pmBSG_Fan Says:
I just noticed that Dogfight has been BANNED, so I think I know the identity of the new troll. Looks like she is learning another approach to trolling.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Not to defend our latest troll, but at least she can put together an articulate sentence. Dogfight seemed to post in textonese.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:24 pm60. WAYNEBRO Says: He’s the spokesman for Ford. Not a used car salesmen.
Wrong.
Wayne you’re actually contradicting yourself. On the one hand, you claim he’s putting his @ss on the line, then you turn and say, what do you expect him to do in this economy, “quit his job in the worst financial crisis in US history?” By your claim, he’s apparently risking it, right? I think not.
You can’t have it both ways, and you best believe that his response was examined and vetted long before he released it to TP. C’mon, Wayne, are you that naive?? You think this used-car, Pinto-selling, Firestone-tire-blaming, faulty Crown Victoria-selling, junk-bond car company salesman would muster a spine??
Wayne, I’m frankly surprised at you…
March 25th, 2009 at 6:24 pmAs a liberal, I cannot allow Bill O’Reilly into my heart. You? Your answer will be very telling.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:25 pmFlagged you with pleasure!
March 25th, 2009 at 6:25 pmObviously, my point is being proven…progressives talk amongst themselves and have absolutely no hospitality towards others. What if I told you I am a gay conservative?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:25 pmlol, ok, well you tell me what you meant by it then.
Here. Explain to me how this comment was not derogatory in nature.
How exactly was that not to be taken as an insult?
:|
Because if it was meant to be flattering, or even neutral, I’m not seeing it.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:26 pmIgnore the idiot! This thread is being high-jacked and it’s SOOO juicy! Remember? “Ford spokesman calls O’Reilly hopelessly pig-headed.” Who cares if Trolly McLamebrain is a Repub or an independent or a three-legged Trotskyite?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:26 pmThen you are a self-loathing idiot.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:27 pmDr Hussein…believe what you want. I can’t keep telling you that I’ve never been on here before today and I’m not really learning anything new about liberals, just like if you visited a conservative blog, you probably wouldn’t learn anything new….nothing ever changes, does it?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:27 pmHere’s how aksarben60 came here today hoping for some love and some terrific discussion:
What a really nice person. People like her I just want to invite into my home, make them a nice meal, and then offer them a room for the night. Not.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:27 pmshoeless Says:
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aksarben60 Says:
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What if I told you I am a gay conservative?
Then you are a self-loathing idiot.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:28 pm—–
Wow.
88. aksarben60 Says: No! Prove to me you are what you say you are…liberals say they are the open minded party….prove it to me!
You seem to confuse “open minded” with “doormat.”
If you behave like an argument-baiting boor, you’ll be dissected like one. You’ve yet to insert a cogent point.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:28 pmrepublican hates facts…thanks for the heads up on my misspelling…I do that sometimes and don’t mean to.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:29 pmWhy does every radical righty that visits TP claim this?
you tell me…
March 25th, 2009 at 6:30 pmIt’s just creepy. Do these morons feel like their just doing their part for conservatives everywhere? Is this their form of political activism? detracting conversation on liberal blogs?
I mean, their leadership has no substance, an infantile reactionary opposition, and pure ideological self-righteousness to the point of being out of touch with reality; “As above, so below” indeed. This is what we get from the small cogs of the conservative camp. This is why this country has only grown in fits and starts.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:31 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
How exactly was that not to be taken as an insult?
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Because if it was meant to be flattering, or even neutral, I’m not seeing it.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Believe it or not, Bart. I don’t sit around trying to dream up ways of insulting you. My response was neutral, and it really doesn’t matter if you see it.
However, you made an assumption that my response was an insult to you, and responded by insulting ME. Hold yourself to your own standards, please.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:31 pmYou’re gay allright, just not in the preferably homosexual way.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:32 pmZing!
March 25th, 2009 at 6:32 pmNope…not here to defend O’Reilly on your perception of what he said…just trying to understand why liberals feel the way they do and trying to see if we’ll ever be able to have a civil conversation? I didn’t come in here with the right comment but was immediately attacked. I’m here because I want to be and because I can be.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:33 pmWhat are you talking about?
The guy put his ass on the line. That’s enough. What did you want him to quit too? Just walk off?
I was pointing out the danger in a SPOKESPERSON for a major motor company providing a quote in writing calling one of their sponsor hosts “hopelessly pigheaded”.
This guy doesn’t own the company. He doesn’t run it.
His role is effectively the same role as a White House Press Secretary when compared to the staff and the President, cabinet, etc. He’s a SPOKESMAN. He has RULES he has to follow. Parameters. Boundaries that can’t be crossed, etc.
Coming out in print, to a major political blog and calling one of his sponsor hosts “hopelessly pigheaded” and his show, the show Ford advertises on, “mindless rantings” is a bold step, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
This is the guys job, and he put it on the line for this. I think thats a big step. What did you want him to do, just quit? That’s what I said. And I stand by it.
The guy needs his job like anyone else. We’re all human and we all die from starvation and exposure so we all need our jobs. The guy took a chance with his and I think he deserves credit for doing so.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:34 pmSeveral of the sponsors have turned off their email boxes.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:34 pmI hope this guy doesn’t end up getting fired. That’s the most honest and cutting response I’ve ever seen anyone give to one of these. And O’Reilly’s flying monkeys are going to be all over him, and all over Ford for this.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:34 pmpastcaring…it’s alright…not allright
March 25th, 2009 at 6:34 pm112. aksarben60 Says: republican hates facts…thanks for the heads up on my misspelling…I do that sometimes and don’t mean to.
It appears to be the return of the “Reasonable Guy” republican. The last one I recall was BlackhawkMike….
So, where’s that ‘ol cogent point?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:35 pmblackhawkmike?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:36 pmYou’re OT.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:37 pmFine. Explain “how” that response is neutral.
If you say to me “that came from my head” or “I thought that up myself” and I respond “right then I won’t worry about it“,…..how is that not my insulting your brain?
Your intelligence?
How is that not me insulting you?
You can’t just “say” its neutral Zooey, when the evidence proves otherwise.
Explain “how” that comment is neutral. Because on face value, it clearly is not.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:38 pmSuch surpassing sophistry, I am wholly in awe.
Perfect illustration of Upton Sinclair’s astute observation on the difficulty of getting a man to see that to which his paycheck requires him to remain blind. This is the (spurious and specious; no mean feat, simultaneously) ideology of the so-called center, where passivity is not a ‘choice,’ but the only position.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:38 pmAre you confused? You should say something about the topic of discussion at hand. Otherwise, it’s time for you to go somewhere else.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:38 pmI’m sorry….I don’t know what OT is.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:38 pmKlatu. You’re a sad, sad man. I imagine you trying to recount how you really stuck it to those liberals on TP! Yuck! Yuck! How they’d laugh and slap you on the back to congratulate you on your job well done!
actually, you’d probably just be daydreaming at your computer, wishing you had some friends at all, besides mom, that is.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:41 pmI don’t believe O’Reilly or Terkel…in fact I think it’s all a bit silly but I don’t have enough information from either side to make up my mind yet.
Didn’t I say I didn’t come in here with the right comment…maybe i didn’t word this right…I shouldn’t have done that and for that, I apologize, sincerely.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:41 pmWaynebro and Zooey: how about a truce, you guys?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:41 pmaksarben60 Says:
What if I told you I am a gay conservative?
I’d ask if you were ‘out,’ probably…
March 25th, 2009 at 6:41 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
Explain “how” that comment is neutral. Because on face value, it clearly is not.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
It’s neutral because I say it’s neutral. I owe you no further response.
In fact, I will not respond to you again because I can see you’re gearing up to defend this Schirmer idiot just like you did Don Imus — for literally thousands of comments, hijacking every single thread for days on end.
Accept it or not. I don’t give a shit.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:42 pmignatov Says:
Waynebro and Zooey: how about a truce, you guys?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
That’s up to Wayne. I’m out of it.
PS – I’m not a guy. :)
March 25th, 2009 at 6:44 pm“PS – I’m not a guy. :)”
Local coloquialism. :)
March 25th, 2009 at 6:46 pm122. WAYNEBRO Says: Coming out in print, to a major political blog and calling one of his sponsor hosts “hopelessly pigheaded” and his show, the show Ford advertises on, “mindless rantings” is a bold step, whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
Wayne…being needlessly verbose about what you claim is his amazing courage and fortitude, and why you think so, dosen’t strengthen your point. I’m well aware of what you’re claiming, so explaining it more emphatically a third time doesn’t give it legs. The OMG aspect of what you think he did doesn’t change the basic criteria of every spokeman for any company:
The quotes were vetted and approved. The guy secured the sign-off and is risking nothing.
I don’t know where you’re getting this ‘balls as big as church bells.’ business, but it just doesn’t apply. He’s a corporate flunky who did what he was allowed and told to do, however “daring” it might appear to you.
What did I expect him to do? Nothing more than what he did. He works for a company that knows how to pull sh¡t on the public, has pulled sh¡t on the public for generations.
They aren’t suddenly growing a pair.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:48 pmWell your fanciful fabrications about me aside, apparently you do “give a shit”, otherwise you wouldn’t launch character assassination attacks on me every time we disagree on a topic.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:48 pmMark Truby, Director of Corporate Communications at Ford Motor Company, tells ThinkProgress that Shirmer’s “comments don’t represent the view of Ford Motor Company.”
Mark Truby is obviously a blatant coward. He supports a man (Bill O’Reilly)who harrasses women, stalks them, and has phone sex with them — then obnoxiously pretends he should speak in women’s support!! Truby– shame on you. I hope there are no women in your life.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:50 pmSo now I’m “needlessly verbose”?
The insulting factor of that sentence aside (Zooey will tell me it was a compliment) how was I “needlessly verbose”?
Any more so than you?
You don’t exactly offer up one liners yourself there Han.
Can’t we leave the insults and jabs on the side and just stick to what we actually say?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:50 pmI will leave it to my fellow TP commenters to decide if I have launched any such character assassination against Waynebro.
Toodles.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:50 pmNo one accepts my apology?
March 25th, 2009 at 6:51 pmBy who? Not the CEO of Ford Motor company I’ll bet. Where did you see any evidence that these comments were “vetted”? I didn’t see that in the story. If they were, then whoever vetted it would likely be in trouble.
The guy took a chance, and I’m sure Oreilly will have something to say about it. And with Ford struggling right now, losing an advertising vehicle like Oreilly’s show is big.
Suppose Oreilly calls on his viewers to boycott Ford?
Did you think of that?
I think it was bold to come out to TP like that and I think if we crucify everyone who speaks frankly and honestly in an interview then we won’t be getting too many frank and honest interviews in the future.
March 25th, 2009 at 6:58 pm147.WAYNEBRO Says: So now I’m “needlessly verbose”?
Yes, when you explain the same thing, with greater emphasis and more descriptors, as if that somehow sheds new light on a rejected impression. Don’t make me slap you around with your own posts….and if you’re feuding with zooey, don’t pick a fight with me by cherry-picking part of my post.
Wayne, the Ford spokesman calls O’Reilly a bad name to assuage the TP audience, then continues on with business as usual.
Tell me, where’s the ‘courage?’
For calling O’Reilly ‘mindless?’ Hell, based on O’Reilly’s past, he doubtlessly has a staffer to handle corporate complaints and shows them ways to make the TP-burr-in-the-saddle go away.
Ford continues on, O’Reilly continues on, and TP is left thinking we’ve shaken the towers by having a corporate flunky call O’Reilly ‘mindless.’
Really? That impresses you?
March 25th, 2009 at 7:00 pmBottom line, I bet more people actually feel like Schirmer, but the reality is, they will not come out and say it.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:01 pmYou dominate more threads than anyone here Zooey and yet you accuse me of it. I barely come in here, and when I do I don’t usually stay too long. A comment here, a post there. Yet you accuse me hogging the threads. Well you hog the threads more than anyone so what your “fellow” commenters (fans) think is their problem.
I could care what they think. I was talking to you.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:04 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
I think it was bold to come out to TP like that and I think if we crucify everyone who speaks frankly and honestly in an interview then we won’t be getting too many frank and honest interviews in the future.
I couldn’t agree more. I’m not sure whether the guy was really brave or really stupid, but I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, absent any actual evidence to the contrary.
I was pretty shocked to read it and I’ll be more shocked if he keeps his job.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:04 pmaksarben60 Says:
It’s “funny” and “expected” that think “progress” has nothing better to do but rag on one man’s opinions because he stands up for what he feels is right, wheter you agree or disagree. What’s progressive about that? You don’t that this girl was stalked across state lines other than trusting what she said…no one really knows the truth. It’s typical…believe what you want to suit your own agenda.
I swear you repugs are the most hypocritical nutjobs on this planet.
Ya damn straight we are going after an rapist enabler. Are you f9cking crazy?
March 25th, 2009 at 7:05 pm150. WAYNEBRO Says: By who? Not the CEO of Ford Motor company I’ll bet. Where did you see any evidence that these comments were “vetted”?
Wayne, I stand on firmer rhetorical ground in this case than you. It’s more probable that a spokesman for a major auto corporation would secure permission/approval than post some rogue, risky, job-threatening response.
You’re bordering on ridiculous.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:05 pmMr. Schirmer is a spokesman for Ford and he bashed O’Reilly. It’s not the same as Ford pulling it’s advertising but it was enough for the people at TP to show that a spokesman from Ford believes (and possibly allowed to release per other posters impressions) Billo is a whack job.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:05 pmI still have way too many artichokes…
March 25th, 2009 at 7:06 pmWho’s WAYNEBRO?
I thought this thread was about ford?
March 25th, 2009 at 7:07 pmdbadass Says:
I still have way too many artichokes…
NOT POSSIBLE!
March 25th, 2009 at 7:07 pmOne other option, maybe Mr. Schirmer hates his job and did this so he can take his severance and go away.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:08 pmWell unlike you my position doesn’t change with the comments in a desperate attempt to try to “win”.
My position is the same so how can my responses “change”?
And as for “slapping me around”, please. I’ve had enough juvenile bravado and turf marking from Zooey tonight.
Talk to me or don’t, but save the tough talk for someone else.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:09 pmWhy stop with OReilly? These Republicans love their money more than God and country! I want Murdock hit in the financial gut. The New York Post chimp cartoon, Fox news channel. Let these advertisers know that their are sensible people who are very offended with their behavior.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:10 pmWell if you’ve ever held such a position, or been higher up in a firm you’d know it was you who was “bordering on ridiculous”. Especially pretending the comments were for us only. What do you think Oreilly won’t pick up on this? He might crucify the guy on his show. What if Oreilly calls on a ban of Ford for his listeners? Or calls for this guys head?
These guys make comments all the time and those comments aren’t usually run by the big wigs. That’s why spokespersons lose jobs. For saying things that they shouldn’t have said, and it happens all the time.
Its more likely the powers that be over at Ford will not be pleased with his comments and what’s ridiculous is your attempts to demonize me or “slap” me as you put it, over stating the obvious.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:16 pmHey, how come my last 3 comments are awaiting moderation? *tapping foot*
March 25th, 2009 at 7:19 pmAnd whats more, if what you say IS true, and the comments WERE vetted by Ford, then that speaks even louder for accolades to Ford, for endorsing such a railing rebuke of one of their own advertisers.
So even if you are right, and they did vet it, then it is still admirable and on an even grander scale.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:19 pmListen, republicans hate facts…you can believe me or not…fact of the matter is I apologized sincerely and you decided to curse at me. I was wrong by coming in here with a chip on my shoulder and I apologized for it; no reason for you to be so mean.
Take it for what you will; I know I’m being honest and I suppose you are too.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:22 pmI’m hoping Billo makes some noise about this guy. I’m betting he won’t because it would bring other companies out to bad mouth O’Reilly without pulling advertising but causing tons of bad press for the Great Falafaler.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:26 pmaksarben60 Says:
I don’t believe O’Reilly or Terkel…in fact I think it’s all a bit silly but I don’t have enough information from either side to make up my mind yet.
Where the hell are you going to get more information? It sounds to me that you like Bill and don’t want to see him in a bad light. Let’s see your reaction if someone came up to you on the street asking questions without explaining who the hell they are. Silly alright. I suppose you figure the wire tapping is just silly.
Your behavior is silly.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:29 pmI believe they did explain who they were. I wouldn’t want to be surprised on the street but I suppose neither would Levi Johnston when he was surprise interviewed in Alaska about his child and his relationship with Bristol Palin. Look… all I’m saying is that I don’t have a side on the issue yet.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:31 pm162.WAYNEBRO Says: Well unlike you my position doesn’t change with the comments in a desperate attempt to try to “win”.
My position is the same so how can my responses “change”?
Okay Wayne, here’s your tiresome verbosity: same thing over…and over…and over…but expanded each time:
Right, got it…admire courage, called O’Reilly names, SPOKESMAN, for Ford, “hopelessly pigheaded,” lose his job…..but that’s not enough…Wayne has to explain it all again…slather, rinse, repeat, repeat, repeat…*sigh*
60.WAYNEBRO Says: The guy took one hell of a chance even TALKING to TP, much less providing a written quote calling Bill Oreilly “hopelessly pigheaded”. He most likely will lose his job.
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This guy took a real chance, and its likely he won’t be around for long. Unless of course some of his bosses are as cool as he was.
He’s the spokesman for Ford. Not a used car salesmen. He put his ass on the line here and I for one think he deserves credit for it.
Right, got it…admire courage, called O’Reilly names, SPOKESMAN, for Ford, “hopelessly pigheaded,” lose his job…*Yawn*…ooops, here we go again:
So Wayne, do you work for Ford?
You did little else than repeate, repeat, repeat the same phrases, points and baseless claim of courage, capitalized SPOKESMAN, and yet, your repetition didn’t add a scintilla of weight to your claim.
Did I say verbose? I meant unoriginal blowhard.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:41 pmYea, nice personal attack Hanrisho.
I can’t help but notice no actual response to the facts I presented.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:48 pmAs for adding “weight” to my “claim”, that this comment was likely not vetted, how about the text from the article above?
There.
Does that add any “weight to my claim”?
:|
Let me know when you’re done “slapping me around”.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:51 pmWho cares if the spokesman keeps his job or not? Why are we spending so many words on the likelihood of trivial future events?
March 25th, 2009 at 7:54 pmhanshiro@173 Man I’m impressed!!!!
March 25th, 2009 at 7:57 pmhanshiro, what do you want out of this? WAYNEBRO has an opinion that differs from yours and he believes this is something positive.
So this isn’t the decisive blow against the evil empire. The people here at TP thought it important enough to inform us.
March 25th, 2009 at 7:57 pm174. WAYNEBRO Says: Yea, nice personal attack Hanrisho.
I can’t help but notice no actual response to the facts I presented.
So my verbosity descriptor was more than warranted regarding your posts. As far as your ‘facts,’ I repeat, you’ve clung to some romanticized notion that the guy risked his job. That’s not a ‘fact.’ I’m on a better footing to recite common corporate practice that comments get vetted before release. In other words, my claim is far more likely than yours.
Capitalizing SPOKESMAN doesn’t make a reader stop and think, OMG…he’s right, now that SPOKESMAN is emphasized! There is no fact there, either.
The only ‘facts’ were the ones printed in the thread heading. Those aren’t yours. You’ve not proven his courage, only drawn a conclusion through implication and your limited understanding f corporate workings. You might admire what you believe to be daring fortitude, but that only reveals your naivete where corporate calculation is concerned. In other words, you’re easy, Wayne.
And not persuasive.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:05 pmIF anyone cares: I just got back two messages that my mail was undeliverable: both from “jnjmediarelations@its.jnj.com”
March 25th, 2009 at 8:06 pmhanshiro, then please enlighten me at least to what you believe the corporate calculation of this is.
You are obviously not impressed with Mr. Schirmer and believe his “message” was vetted so what is your theory on Ford’s rationale for even letting this out.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:10 pm178. hellinabucket Says: hanshiro, what do you want out of this? WAYNEBRO has an opinion that differs from yours and he believes this is something positive.
Yes, I read it the first six times he posted it.
There was not disagreement with the positive or negative aspect, just the awareness or unawareness of calculated moves on the part of big corporations and how they deal with controversies.
Wayne, launched into some tantrum about being called verbose.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:11 pmNo Hanshiro, it was a cheap attempt at a personal attack to insult me rather than deal with my position.
See I couldn’t help but notice that in your eerily obsessive compilation and reposting of my comments as a means of insult, you failed to repost the comments they were “responding” to. You failed to post them because you wanted to make it appear that I was ranting, instead of simply responding to you and others in defense of my position.
And what’s eerie about it is you still fail to address my points. For example, you just got through arguing for the last hour that the guy “vetted” these comments and they were approved.
You even went so far as mocking me and my intelligence for supposing they were not.
Now I show you the article above, stating clearly they were his comments and you oddly fail to address that.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:11 pm183.WAYNEBRO Says: No Hanshiro, it was a cheap attempt at a personal attack to insult me rather than deal with my position.
No, Wayne, I answered directly your tantrum here:
Look up the definition of verbose, you sanctimonious, windy @ss.
See I couldn’t help but notice that in your eerily obsessive compilation and reposting of my comments as a means of insult, you failed to repost the comments they were “responding” to.
Why would I do that? The posts were illustrative of my claim that you’re a repetitive gasbag. Needlessly verbose. I posted the salient examples.
For example, you just got through arguing for the last hour that the guy “vetted” these comments and they were approved.
No, I said that corporate practice would most likely, doubtless dictate it.
Now I show you the article above, stating clearly they were his comments and you oddly fail to address that.
OMG, you got me…wait, no you didn’t. You EMPHASIZED the guy was a SPOKESMAN for Ford. So which is it, Were you wrong then or are you wrong now? Was he a SPOKESMAN in his comments or just some employee making unofficial comments?
You’re contradicting yourself again, Wayne.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:22 pmHere. Here’s what you said.
and…
You mocked me for even suggesting the guy was acting on his own. And now I show you from the article that you failed to “vet”, lol, where he was speaking for himself…
…and you just continue with the personal attacks.
So far, all I see you doing Hanshiro is insulting me.
You insult my intelligence. You insult my “verbosity”.
You even insult my writing style. As if that has anything to do with my comments.
This is what people do, who cannot debate on the issues, so they instead attack the individual.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:25 pmI took the same position as I did from the beginning. That a Spokesman from Ford took a risk when he criticized Bill Oreilly in writing, identifying himself as a Spokesman for Ford Motor company.
I doubt he vetted the statements, and you insisted that he did.
That makes you the one on untenable ground.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:31 pm185.WAYNEBRO Says: You mocked me for even suggesting the guy was acting on his own. And now I show you from the article that you failed to “vet”, lol, where he was speaking for himself…
No, Wayne, I mock you for being a pedantic jack@ss, running ever tighter circles to try to win some minor irrelevancy when your major premise blows up in your face and is revealed to be unsupported.
You repeated yourself needlessly. Endlessly.
You claimed he was a SPOKESMAN then claim he wasn’t.
You haven’t disproved common corporate practice of vetting press statements by implying this guy risked his job. Where’s that “fact?”
You claimed “Poor guys toast.” Twice. That another one of your “facts?”
You get bent because I called you needlessly verbose, yet you just repeated yourself and didn’t add anything deeper.
Wayne, you’re trying to create a hero out of a paid liar and company whore; and you’re lashing out because you suck at it, however much you get paid by the word, word, word…
March 25th, 2009 at 8:36 pmHe was a SPOKESMAN for Ford, just like I said slick.
Before and after. Always. He was a SPOKESMAN. That’s why its capitalized. Because being clear.
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Which part of that wasn’t clear to you?
I never claimed he wasn’t a spokesman for Ford. NEVER.
Show me one spot where I said he was not a SPOKESMAN.
I simply quoted the article showing he wasn’t speaking for Ford. But the article still shows he identified himself as a SPOKESMAN FOR FORD.
Try reading it.
He was a SPOKESMAN.
Just like I said a few hours ago.
Just like I said a few minutes ago.
Just like I am saying now.
And just like I’ll say the next half dozen times you try to twist my words and wriggle out of the fact that YOU claimed, he “vetted” the words and they were “signed off on” and I claimed he did not, a fact you now sadly learned by my reposting it from the article you’ve supposedly read.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:39 pm186.WAYNEBRO Says: I took the same position as I did from the beginning.
162. WAYNEBRO Says: Well unlike you my position doesn’t change…
My position is the same so how can my responses “change”?
Wayne, tell you what; let’s assume my scroll function works so it’ll save you from all that retyping…
March 25th, 2009 at 8:40 pmThat’s just an outright lie.
Show one place where I said he wasn’t a SPOKESMAN.
He was a SPOKESMAN. I never said he wasn’t.
I said he was “risking his job”. That’s the point you were arguing against. You claimed he was speaking FOR Ford.
I proved to you he likely wasn’t.
and…
But the article itself says;
So we see you are the one who got it wrong, and yet you’re now trying to call me a liar for quoting the article, while simultaneously referring to him as a “Spokesman for Ford”.
So apparently you STILL haven’t read the article, otherwise you’d know that you’d also be calling Faiz a liar, for identifying Mr Schirmer in the exact same manner.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:47 pmSee, Faiz calls him a “Spokesman for Ford”, and he also “claims” he wasn’t “speaking for Ford”, so by your argument, Faiz would likewise be contradicting himself.
Your arguments are nonsense and diversion.
The article states he was speaking for himself and not on behalf of Ford, which means out of the two of us, I am the only one who has evidence supporting his position.
Because the article agrees with me.
It does not agree with you.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:51 pm188. WAYNEBRO Says: Before and after. Always. He was a SPOKESMAN. That’s why its capitalized. Because being clear.
Your implication was clear, Wayne, inferring he spoke in the capacity of a SPOKESMAN for Ford. (Or are we gonna have to run the ‘tape?’)
Oh, what the hell…roll #52
And Wayne, the part you’ve apparently overlooked is this: responding to emails sent to Ford concerning a Ford matter.
Oh, wait, let’s be ‘clear;’ The guy is RESPONDING to emails addressed to FORD on a matter concerning FORD ADVERTISING POLICY. That makes him a SPOKESMAN on BEHALF of FORD. It’s tantamount to opening and answering mail not addressed to you and supplying an answer because you work there.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:57 pmThe answer to that would be no. Republicans can be gay as long as they stay in the closet. Their Republican friends may even know they are gay, and will accept them, while the secret is kept. If they come out of the closet, all bets are off, and they will be disowned and even savaged by their former Republican friends.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:57 pmThere are no corporate innocent bystanders on Fox. And no one that works for Fox either.
Pig headed would be kinder then O’Reilly deserves. I would think that the car manufacturers have enough trouble without Fox network. But evidently not. Mr.O’Reilly is a nasty, sexist, vulgar,with prurient interests, a loud mouth with no respect for the truth. And his audience is a step lower then dirt.
March 25th, 2009 at 8:58 pmI think you’re legally insane.
What are you talking about?
No, I don’t work for Ford. lol
And no, I said the same thing the article said. Show me where I said he was speaking FOR Ford.
I didn’t. You quoted me but your quote fails to show that.
I said he was a SPOKESMAN and I made it clear I felt he was risking his job, speaking on his own.
No where there did I say he was speaking FOR FORD.
I said he identified himself as a SPOKESMAN for Ford. He was acting in the role. But I didn’t say they signed off on it.
In fact, my argument from the beginning, has been that he was speaking WITHOUT approval. That’s what I said. That was my argument. Hasn’t changed.
Even though you keep trying to change it.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:05 pmIt means he’s speaking IN his role, it doesn’t mean FORD APPROVED it. Which I’ve been saying all night.
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Which part of that eludes you?
March 25th, 2009 at 9:06 pmWayne. #185 and #190 are posting the same quotes. Do you not get the concept of a scroll function?
You have consistently ignored my raised points in favor of reposting…interminably long-windedly reposting irrelevancies to cover your basic lack of comprehension.
The guy isn’t a hero.
The comments were likely vetted.
He probably won’t lose his job, but get a promotion for convincing a dupable rube on a blog that he’s some sort of hero for doing his job.
He is a SPOKESMAN for Ford.
Your verbosity is expanding geometrically…..
March 25th, 2009 at 9:07 pm196. WAYNEBRO Says: It means he’s speaking IN his role, it doesn’t mean FORD APPROVED it. Which I’ve been saying all night.
No, you’ve taken all night to say the same thing. Over, and over, and over…zzzzzzzz. If you find refuge in claiming the guy was, then wasn’t, a spokesman, perhaps you need a dictionary.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:10 pmhanshiro, so you can better support your side of this (whatever it’s blossomed to be) could you please answer my question at post 181?
Get past this finger pointing exercise and move on.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:14 pmSee, in order for the guy to be “risking his job”, which was my argument from the beginning, he would have to be acting IN his role, but without his superiors endorsement.
Which spokespeople do all the time for firms, and you’d know that if you ever worked in an executive capacity in a large firm. Spokespeople have to constantly make statements and address issues that never make their way up the corporate chain. So they are expected to know what to say and not say.
Which is the crux of my position, and is evident from every one of my posts.
He was a Spokesman, and he said something that was NOT approved but that was HIS opinion, and yet he said it in his role.
So you see, your position is nonsense. It makes no sense. In order for him to be risking his job, he would have to;
A. Be doing something in his job
B. Be doing it without permission or in a manner contrary to what upper management might approve
Otherwise, why would he be risking his job? He couldn’t.
And the article agrees with me, as it says the exact same thing.
It disagrees with you however, as it shows that he was acting in his role responding but speaking for “himself” when he insulted Bill Oreilly.
It does not show or even imply that the statements were “vetted”. As you tried repeatedly to claim.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:14 pmYour verbosity is all over the place. You’re not making any sense. I never said he wasn’t a Spokesman for Ford. He’d have to be in order to lose the job.
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Get it?
And as for calling me a “dupable rube on a blog”?
Well, I’m not the one who claimed he vetted the comments only to see the article states he did not.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:17 pmOkay Wayne, you want to hold to ‘absolutes?’ Here’s a couple..
10.WAYNEBRO Says: And you realize this article just cost that guy his job, right?
Show me where, Wayne. “I didn’t see that in the story.”
60. WAYNEBRO Says: The guy took one hell of a chance even TALKING to TP
Really Wayne? How do you know? This sounds pretty absolute. “I didn’t see that in the story.”
March 25th, 2009 at 9:21 pmThis is a prime example of a personal attack as opposed to a debate on the issues.
My position hasn’t been vague. It hasn’t been obscure. I said, he was a SPOKESMAN for Ford. I even capitalized the word to emphasize it, and I said he was likely in trouble for speaking out like that.
Hanshiro is trying to play word games to weasel out of being proven wrong about the statements being vetted.
As I stated Schirmer’s critiques were not approved, and that in no way implies I was saying “he wasn’t a spokesman”, as Hanshiro’s pathetic argument tries to imply.
Of course he was a spokesman, that’s why I repeatedly said it from the beginning. I never said he was not so saying I did is a lie. Which is apparently all you have there hanshiro.
Now you’re taking general statements trying to play more endless tedious word games with me.
Those are my opinions. Everything in here for the most part are opinions. I stated them as such.
You on the other hand mocked me for saying it, stated YOUR opinion that the comments were “vetted” and “signed off on”. and when I show you the article stating that they were NOT vetted but were HIS comments, you turn to endless tedious word games and diversions.
To what end, remains to be seen.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:28 pm201.WAYNEBRO Says: Well, I’m not the one who claimed he vetted the comments only to see the article states he did not.
This is demonstrably false. Nowhere is it stated that the comments weren’t vetted. Where did you get that?
Claiming he doesn’t speak for Ford is an easy ploy to get a quote from a SPOKESMAN (who isn’t wearing his official SPOKESMAN hat, right?) and satiate TP. It’s a win-win for Ford and O’Reilly and it gives the appearance of shaking the towers.
Meanwhile, as I said, they continue, and rubes like you nominate them for hero status. They just made a monkey out of you, Wayne. And you believed a FORD SPOKESMAN who, I’m sure, isn’t used to pulling sh¡t like that and lying to people like you. Nah, he’d never do that….he’s honest, right Wayne?
Christ, you’re dense…
March 25th, 2009 at 9:28 pmuhhh, from here.
Who again is this “dense” one of which you speak?
March 25th, 2009 at 9:31 pm203. WAYNEBRO Says: My position hasn’t been vague. It hasn’t been obscure.
It hasn’t been persuasive…What it has been is a repetitive nightmare
repetitive nightmare
repetitive nightmare
repetitive nightmare
repetitive nightmare
repetitive nightmare
repetitive nightmare
repetitive nightmare
Let me just say, repetitive nightmare.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:32 pm205. WAYNEBRO Says:
Read #204 again. Slowly.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:32 pmHow is that a win for Billo? or Ford?
March 25th, 2009 at 9:33 pmuhh, yea I believed him when he said Bill Oreilly is “hopelessly pigheaded”.
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Why. Didn’t you?
March 25th, 2009 at 9:34 pmWayne, you are jonesing to believe a FORD SPOKESMAN.
You think a FORD SPOKESMAN is being honest with you.
You think a FORD SPOKESMAN is a hero.
A FORD SPOKESMAN, without changing anything he’s doing tells you what you want to hear and you’re smitten.
That’s why I find you to be a long-winded jack@ss.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:36 pmYou mean me or you?
Because I’m just responding to your barrage of personal attacks, juvenile insults and petty word games.
You however keep repeating pretty much the same insults without any foundation to back them up with.
The article says you’re wrong. The article says the comments were HIS, NOT FORDS. Did someone review them? Its possible. But the article implies otherwise. So what we have left is your opinion that they did vet it, and mine that they did not. And the article supports mine, not yours.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:38 pm208.hellinabucket Says: “I saw the tapes of O’Reilly ambushing Hertzberg of the New Yorker a few month back. It demonstrated how moronic O’Reilly really is.”
How is that a win for Billo? or Ford?
Doesn’t address their support for O’Reilly at all. They’ll keep giving him money and he’ll keep stalking people. They’ve managed to throw TP a bone without committing to an official position. Sleazy. Underhanded.
And the stuff of heroes for Wayne…
March 25th, 2009 at 9:38 pm211. WAYNEBRO Says: Did someone review them? Its possible. But the article implies otherwise.
The article ‘implies’ no such thing, any more than it ‘implies’ the guy is risking his job. Or that he’s a ‘hero.’
Except in your mind…
March 25th, 2009 at 9:42 pm211. WAYNEBRO Says: Because I’m just responding to your barrage of personal attacks, juvenile insults and petty word games.
Are you saying you weren’t verbose, ‘cuz I can repost your long-winded, interminably repetitive posts stating the same things over, and over, and over….
…and over…and over…
March 25th, 2009 at 9:43 pmhanshiro, I don’t agree but thanks for your take on it.
Schirmer called Billo a moron. You call that a win. I call that a spokesman from Ford calling Billo a moron.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:45 pmYou know, we all have family and friends working for big companies. Many of us work for big companies. And I think the “jackass” is the one who unilaterally paints these people, these people who are us, our families, our friends, our coworkers, in this demonic evil light as if they are somehow so different than us.
The guys a spokesperson. I’m not saying anything about him other than in THIS instance I find what he did someone brave, and I think it deserved a nod.
And if what he did was sanctioned by Ford, as you claim, in contradiction to what the article claims, then fine. Then Ford’s somewhat brave for allowing him to say what he said about Oreilly.
Not everyone is evil and not everyone is deserving the rabid slander guys like you heap on them. The guy did a good thing in saying what he said, and if you ever expect more people to write in and say such things with such frankness and honesty, then I suggest you find a better way of receiving them than slandering and bashing on them.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:45 pmNo, the article implies it, and states it, right here.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
215. hellinabucket Says:
hanshiro, I don’t agree but thanks for your take on it.
Schirmer called Billo a moron. You call that a win. I call that a spokesman from Ford calling Billo a moron.
Now careful, Wayne’ll freak. Be sure to emphasize that he wasn’t wearing his official SPOKESMAN hat when he commented, he was just a Ford employee, apparently, who works as a Ford SPOKESMAN.
Wouldn’t want to upset the gasbag…er, I mean wayne, he might type a long, windy and ultimately pointless retort. Again.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:48 pm216. WAYNEBRO Says: The guys a spokesperson. I’m not saying anything about him other than in THIS instance I find what he did someone brave, and I think it deserved a nod.
Gee, I never would have gotten that from the first 75 times you posted it. You do work for Ford, don’t you?
March 25th, 2009 at 9:49 pmNo, I saying you’re verbose. At least equally so.
For example, you keep posting over and over how I am so “verbose”. You keep complaining about me saying the same thing over and over…. and you do it….over and over.
Which means you’re saying the same thing, “over and over”.
The same thing you’re accusing me of supposedly doing.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:50 pm216. WAYNEBRO Says:And if what he did was sanctioned by Ford, as you claim, in contradiction to what the article claims, then fine. Then Ford’s somewhat brave for allowing him to say what he said about Oreilly.
Not if it’s designed to, as I said, throw a bone to TP, take off the mounting pressure and allow them to continue on unmolested by angry consumers. Then, you’re feeding that PR stunt.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:52 pmAs I told you before, no.
How desperate do you have to be to keep trying to paint me as professionally biased here?
You keep doing it.
Over and over.
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March 25th, 2009 at 9:52 pm222.WAYNEBRO Says: How desperate do you have to be to keep trying to paint me as professionally biased here?
Have you denied it?
March 25th, 2009 at 9:53 pmTalk about unfounded speculation.
There’s no indication of that whatsoever. Its possible, sure. So are lots of things.
But the article states what I stated.
Not your conspiracy theory.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:54 pmDo you work for Ford, Wayne?
March 25th, 2009 at 9:54 pmRepeatedly.
But you’re so hopped up on adrenaline and Jolt Cola to slow down on the personal insults long enough to actually read.
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Which explains how you overlooked that the article stated he was not speaking for Ford, when you tried to claim he was.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:55 pmI don’t even own a Ford.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:56 pmyes hanshiro, but it was intended to be said he was from Ford and he is a spokesman for Ford. And he called Bill O’Reilly moronic. The latest thread is about Billo thinking TP is a cabal so whether this was a ploy by Ford, a rogue employee or something else Fox news is concerned enough to give it more air time.
I would say this to be more of a success for exposing Fox and billo than not.
March 25th, 2009 at 9:56 pm224. WAYNEBRO Says: But the article states what I stated.
No, Wayne, it does not, as has been posted several times.
I get why you’re so repetitive; you don’t get it the first 150 or so times. Why say in one post what you can ramble on in 63?
March 25th, 2009 at 9:57 pmBut the article states:
March 25th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
See.
It does.
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Apparently I have to say the same thing over and over because you keep ignoring it.
March 25th, 2009 at 10:01 pmNow your “conspiracy theory” is certainly possible.
But its just a theory.
My statements on the other hand that his insults of Oreilly were NOT spoken on behalf of Ford, is the one that is supported by article.
No other way to slice that, no matter how hard you try.
March 25th, 2009 at 10:04 pm.
B O Y C O T
F O X P R A V D A
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March 26th, 2009 at 1:31 amAnd it looks like the article continues to refute your position that the comments were “vetted” and “signed off on”, and supports my position, that they were likely not.
So your barrage of personal insults and name calling aside, it seems that the article nonetheless agrees with me.
March 26th, 2009 at 1:38 amI think the guy’s very brave, and I applaud his honesty.
To say that he obviously doesn’t have power over which branch advertises where, so to offer his perspective is, to my mind, wonderful.
March 26th, 2009 at 2:11 amSo evidently Mark Truby is saying Ford has no disagreement with the previously “pigheaded” O’Reilly.
This shouldn’t come as a total surprise. Ford has a history of this, beginning with their founder.
Google Henry Ford and anti-semitism.
Or look here:
http://reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/chapter_06.htm
An interesting snippet:
“Herr Hitler openly boasts of Mr. Ford’s support and praises Mr. Ford as a great individualist and a great anti-Semite. A photograph of Mr. Ford hangs in Herr Hitler’s quarters, which is the center of monarchist movement.”
Hitler pinned medals on Henry. Henry Ford was a fascist who also financed Prohibition and conducted searches of his employee’s homes.
Ford Motor Company has spent millions of dollars whitewashing their founder’s unflattering record.
They may have a bit more work to do now that Mark Truby has voiced his opinion. Care to rethink that one Mr. Truby?
March 26th, 2009 at 1:21 pmSchirmer — speaking for himself and not on behalf of Ford
That means he’s a janitor. Keep up the good work guys!!
March 26th, 2009 at 4:58 pmIt’s too bad Mr. Mark Schirmer isn’t running Ford. Maybe they wouldn’t be in the hot water they’re in if they had someone with common sense running things.
Did you know that more CEOs die from megalomania than any other cause?
March 26th, 2009 at 6:04 pmMorons. The spokesman for Ford speaks on his own and not for Ford when he agrees with this sites views..for the most part. Yet you post it like Ford said it. It didn’t. One out of thousands of Ford employees sort of agrees with your views and you jump and down like you’ve made some victory. LOL. You people are just laughable. What great entertainment!
March 27th, 2009 at 3:20 amMy email to Ford:
Have you read the comments on thinkprogress.org that are quoted from your own Mark Schirmer? They are appaulling and I can not believe that a company such as Ford wouldn’t reign someone like that in. He is presenting a terrible image for the Ford Motor Company even though his “remarks do not represent the opinions of Ford”. I would suggest you speak to him and have him retract the remarks he made to thinkprogress.org because there were completely unprofessional and disgraceful.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:59 pm