Touting Her Currency Conspiracy, Bachmann Insists: ‘This Is Not Michele Bachmann Being A Kook’
Touting Her Currency Conspiracy, Bachmann Insists: ‘This Is Not Michele Bachmann Being A Kook’
Earlier this week, right-wing fanatic Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) started peddling false conspiracy theories that the world was moving toward a unified global currency — and that the U.S. might join in as early as next week’s G-20 conference. The myth was started when China’s central bank governor suggested replacing the dollar as the world’s reserve currency. Though the suggestion has nothing to do with a unified global currency, Fox News’ Major Garrett decided to ask President Obama whether he supported the fictional prospect of such a move. (Obama, for the record, does not.)
Today on Glenn Beck’s radio show, Bachmann declared that the U.S. will soon be moving to “give up the dollar as our currency and we would just go with a One World currency.” Such action, she warned, would mean the U.S. as a country would be “no more”:
BACHMANN: As you know, Russia, China, Brazil, India, South Africa, many nations have lined up now and have called for an international global currency, a One World currency and they want to get off of the dollar as the reserve currency.
BECK: Most people don’t understand, Michele, what that means.
BACHMANN: What that means is all of the countries in the world would have a single currency. We would give up the dollar as our currency and we would just go with a One World currency. … If we give up the dollar as our standard, and co-mingle the value of the dollar with the value of coinage in Zimbabwe, that dilutes our money supply. We lose control over our economy. And economic liberty is inextricably entwined with political liberty. Once you lose your economic freedom, you lose your political freedom. And then we are no more, as an exceptional nation, as we always have been. So this is imperative.
Bachmann claimed that Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said he was “open” to the One World currency. (In reality, he only said he was open to changes in the IMF special drawing rights, and reaffirmed his commitment to the dollar.) Beck warned that speaking out about the global currency gets one labeled a “kook,” but Bachmann brushed off such concerns, saying she’s been called that “throughout [her] political career”:
BACHMANN: Well, Glenn, I have experienced that throughout my political career, being labeled a kook. It just happened again in a big story in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. But all we have to do is point to the treasury secretary on tape, on camera. This is not Michele Bachmann being a kook. This is our treasury secretary on tape and on camera.
Listen to it:
Transcript:
BACHMANN: But let me tell you, there’s something that’s happening this week in congress that could be the eventual unraveling for our freedom and it was this. I have also asked the treasury secretary and Ben Bernanke, the Federal Reserve chair, if they would categorically denounce taking the United States off of the dollar and putting us on an international global currency because as you know, Russia, China, Brazil, India, South Africa, many nations have lined up now and have called for an international global currency, a one world currency and they want to get off of the dollar as the reserve currency.
BECK: Most people don’t understand, Michele, what that means.
BACHMANN: What that means is all of the countries in the world would have a single currency. We would give up the dollar as our currency and we would just go with a one world currency and now for the first time we’re seeing major countries like China, India, Russia, countries like that calling for a one world currency and they want this discussion to occur at the G20. So I asked both the treasury secretary and the Federal Reserve chair if they would categorically denounce this. The reason why is because if we give up the dollar as our standard and commingle the value of a dollar with the value of coinage in Zimbabwe, that dilutes our money supply. We lose control over our economy and economic liberty is inextricably entwined with political liberty. Once you lose your economic freedom, you’ve lost your political freedom and then we are no more as an exceptional nation as we always have been. So this is imperative. Well, what happened, the day after I asked that question for the treasury secretary, secretary Geithner went before the council on foreign relations and the same subject came up. After that meeting after he categorically denounced it to me, he said to the council on foreign relations he would be open to this proposal of a single currency, of expanding the international monetary funds’ special drawing down rates. That’s what they’re called. And this created a huge firestorm which the value of the dollar literally tumbled upon his words when he said that.
BECK: Right. And then somebody said, “I think you want to revisit that again.” And he did and he said, “Well, no, I don’t mean…”
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BECK: And what’s going to happen is if you start to talk about a global currency which I’m telling you there’s no way out of what we’re doing now besides devaluing the dollar to pay off our debt and then have a new currency. There’s just no other way.
BACHMANN: But we can stop that.
BECK: Wait a minute. Congresswoman, what happens is when you stand up and when you say those things, then you’re deemed a kook. Then you’re deemed a militia member. And there are too many people in America that will still listen to the mainstream media. They will still listen to, you know, to those in Washington on both sides of the aisle that say, “Oh, no, well, that’s never going to happen.” And so they sit there and do nothing. And those who do want to do something are afraid because they don’t want to be deemed a kook. And they also are tired of being played by politicians in Washington.
BACHMANN: Well, Glenn, I have experienced that throughout my political career being labeled a kook. It just happened again in a big story in the Minneapolis Star Tribune. But all we have to do is point to the treasury secretary on tape, on camera. This is not Michele Bachmann being a kook. This is our treasury secretary on tape and on camera. And also we now have countries across the world asking for this. That’s why I went to my fellow colleagues and I dropped a bill day before yesterday that would bind the president’s hands, that wouldn’t allow him to enter into a treaty or an international agreement to take us off the dollar and put us on an international currency.
Keep in mind that these aren’t just two weirdos hiding out in a cabin somewhere. Beck has a show on a major cable news network and Bachmann has a seat in Congress.
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A psycho and a moron…..
March 27th, 2009 at 3:01 pmThis is not Michele Bachmann being a kook.
…And this is JUMBO shrimp.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:02 pm(apologies to the late, great George Carlin)
Show Nut and Congress Nut, a marriaged made in Hell.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:03 pmYou’re always a kook, Michelle.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:03 pmDefinitely a doable kook, but a kook none the less.
Bachman doesnt want global currency..so I guess she is also against the US dollar as a global reserve currency.
Her legislation will go nowhere, nor do I think she intends it to as what shes trying, it seems, is to whip up paranoia and fear.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:05 pmso, tacitly, she’s admitting to being a kook in the past, right?
if so, how is this situation any different?
lets look at the situation, you’ve said bat-$h!t crazy stuff in the past, as recently as last week, and you go on a well-known crazy person’s show (glenn beck, need i say more?) and talk about our treasury secretary agreeing to something he patently didn’t… survey says…
KOOK!!
for the record, it takes one to know one. so i stand on pretty solid ground with this accusation
March 27th, 2009 at 3:06 pmwhaddya mean, “this isn’t micheele bachmann being a kook”?
there’s no “being” involved, michelle. you’re certified batshit crazy
March 27th, 2009 at 3:06 pmkookooforcoacoapuffs
March 27th, 2009 at 3:07 pmAnd this is not me being a bitc$
March 27th, 2009 at 3:07 pmJeebus, this gives lunacy a bad name! Which one will announce that Fluoridation is poisoning us, destroying our precious bodily essences first? Shouldn’t a Sanity Clause be required to be a member of the House of Representitives? Aw, forget I even asked that, there ain’t no Sanity Clause.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:07 pmYou should see Michelle Bachmann when she is being a kook!
Wowsers! Hilarity ensues!
March 27th, 2009 at 3:07 pmthe kooks are always the freakiest…
March 27th, 2009 at 3:08 pmTouting Her Currency Conspiracy, Bachmann Insists: ‘This Is Not Michele Bachmann Being A Kook’
There’s room there for you to get WORSE ?
How is that possible ?
March 27th, 2009 at 3:08 pmThe move started a weeks before the Chinese leader weighed in. A UN panel plans to recommend shifting to a basket of currencies.
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE52H2CY20090318
Bachmann’s a screeching button pusher, full of ignorance and bluster.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:09 pmWhat, did everyone come down with Stupid Cancer in the Republican political and media camps?
March 27th, 2009 at 3:09 pmUmmmm, Michelle?
It’s not like a coat or gloves. You can’t “take off” being a kook.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:10 pmYou know the best part…If she wasn’t out there bantering this republican bs Beck and O’ Reilly would be shouting for her to get back into the kitchen and make dinner.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:10 pmmight as well be
its like bat-$h!t crazy is the new black, its popping up everywhere
March 27th, 2009 at 3:10 pmShe REALLY does give batshit a bad name.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:12 pmcan you imagine the inbred asshats that consistently send her crazy ass to congress?
March 27th, 2009 at 3:12 pmthat must be one scary neck of the woods if she’s the best and brightest they can come up with
Keep in mind that these aren’t just two weirdos hiding out in a cabin somewhere. Beck has a show on a major cable news network and Bachmann has a seat in Congress.
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yeah but they’re still weirdos and
we can thank god that one of them
isn’t the octomom and the other
isn’t the father.
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March 27th, 2009 at 3:13 pmWanna bet?
March 27th, 2009 at 3:15 pm“This is not Michele Bachmann being a kook.”
Nope. This is just Bimbo Bachmann flapping her gums about an unfounded rumor and flapping her wings by introducing legislation to prevent the unfounded rumor from occurring.
Nope. This is not Bimbo Bachmann being a kook. This is just about Bimbo Bachmann being her ignorant, incompetent, incoherent self.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:15 pmIf you are stupid enough to waste your time listening to Beck and Whackmann….. you deserve what you hear!
March 27th, 2009 at 3:15 pmAnd you now what else I heard?
Illegal immigrants plan to conquer the entire southwest of the US and let Mexico annex it!
And… and… Barack Obama plans to institute a dictatorship! It’s true! Some guy told me!
March 27th, 2009 at 3:15 pmThat settles it, im donating $100 to Michelle Bachmann’s 2010 campaign. Lulz like these are hard to come by.
May she bring the crazy for another 20 years…
March 27th, 2009 at 3:15 pm“you KNOW what else I heard”
KNOW, dammit! NOT “now”!
Good way to spoil snark.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:16 pmwell, its only her second term, and she laid pretty low during the first one. she barely won reelection after going on chris matthews and channeling joe mccarthy… i doubt she’ll be returning for another one. if she does, god help us
March 27th, 2009 at 3:16 pm…
ralph,
i wouldn’t ring her doorbell
on halloween.
:|
March 27th, 2009 at 3:17 pmNo Joke! the people that voted this woman into office have to be a collection real losers. WOW. Calling her a kook is tooooo nice! She’s insane! I wonder if she dines with Kathryn Harris? Does anyone in the House even pay attn to her…at all??????
March 27th, 2009 at 3:17 pmyou would think with the health insurance congressmen receive, batshit crazy bachmann could afford to be consistent with her crazy people meds.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:17 pmkeep her out of power, id rather have her paired up with pat buchanan on MSNBC for epic lulz
March 27th, 2009 at 3:18 pmMeh… as a minority congressman she’s harmless crazy. Hell, she might actually be a performance artist purposefully swaying sane moderates left.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:18 pm.
NOTE: Any time someone prefaces what they are about to say with clarifications of what they are not or what they are saying is not, most likely are!
“I am not lying when I say…” is used to cover for the lie they are about to tell “… my dog ate my homework.”
“I am not exaggerating when I say…” is used to cover for the stretch of truth they are about to lay on you “… the fish was T-H-I-S big.”
“I am not crazy when I say…” is used to cover for some hair brained mad wo/man kooky shenanigans “… this is Michele Bachmann saying this.”
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March 27th, 2009 at 3:18 pmGawd. What a kook.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:18 pmO/T, but in keeping with the crazy theme, Randall Terry has just announced that President Obama is an Agent of Death. Terry is calling for Shock Troops to deal with the President’s upcoming visit to Notre Dame. God Bless Atheisim.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:21 pmralf,
March 27th, 2009 at 3:21 pmTimes like that snark-up of yours really calls on Google, or what have you, to invest in producing a “Snark Checker” for their tool bar. LOL Lord knows it sure would come in handy for myself. ;)
She’s a complete idiot.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:22 pmOhhhh… that’s good. I think Buchanan’s is a little past his crazy prime though. I’d love to see Dobbs and Bachmann talk immigration. Id tune in every day for that freakshow.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:22 pmThis is some pretty lame reporting, it’s no secret the governments of the countries she listed are interested in this world currency. It would destroy the sovereignty of the united states (and all countries involved) and our treasury secretary has been floating the idea that it wouldn’t be that bad. While I disagree with this congresswoman on just about everything she does, I couldn’t be more happy with her work here. Just because conservatives are kooks when it comes to social issues that doesn’t mean they don’t know how our money works and when it’s being threatened.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:22 pmBimbo Bachmann passed “kook” and it has long ago disappeared in her rear-view mirror. She is quickly approaching “tin-foil hat territory” and “conspiracy cork-screw”.
Keep your hands on the wheel, Bimbo. It’s going to be a wild and bumpy ride. We’ll send the meat wagon for ya!
March 27th, 2009 at 3:23 pmMeh…. it’s just a resolution. I was expecting a full blown “bill o’ nonsense” (which is different than “Bill ‘O Nonsense” in that it doesn’t involve falafels or stalking women).
March 27th, 2009 at 3:25 pmMichelle, honey, no easy way to break this to you but you’ve been labelled a kook because you are a kook! The sooner you admit you have a problem, the sooner you can begin working towards your recovery.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:27 pmTachinidae Leporello,
I read about the Notre Dame visit and protests too. Funny how some Christo-fascists think killing others is godly ONLY when it’s living, breathing beings being killed. Eh, big “D” aka RupturedAllReady?
But, there are pro-choice Christians out there…
March 27th, 2009 at 3:28 pmhttp://rawstory.com/news/2008/Prochoice_Christians_fire_back_at_ObamaNotre_0326.html
Lots of fun Bachmann kookery available here.
Check out global currency as a Biblical prophecy!
March 27th, 2009 at 3:30 pm***
OT, but funny!
from sadly, no:
As if a column at Clown Hall by K-Lo entitled “Big Bedfellows” isn’t enough to make you want to drill a hole in your skull and erase the image by pouring directly onto your brain a mixture of Drano, Clorox and Everclear, the identical column appears at America’s Shittiest Website™ with Jonah “The Whale” Goldberg as its putative author. The links above might not continue to work, so I post the incontrovertible evidence completely free of any Photoshop tampering on my part:
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link is here.
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March 27th, 2009 at 3:31 pmHmm. At about 37-40 seconds into the audio clip she actually does mention other countries wanting to go off the USD as reserve currency, then oddly, she goes back to talking about a global currency.
She knows good and well she is stirring the crazy bucket. Cease and desist Michele, we have enough problems without you creating more.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:32 pmis it at least written in crayon?
March 27th, 2009 at 3:34 pmwatchout5 Says:
This is some pretty lame reporting, it’s no secret the governments of the countries she listed are interested in this world currency. It would destroy the sovereignty of the united states (and all countries involved) and our treasury secretary has been floating the idea that it wouldn’t be that bad. While I disagree with this congresswoman on just about everything she does, I couldn’t be more happy with her work here. Just because conservatives are kooks when it comes to social issues that doesn’t mean they don’t know how our money works and when it’s being threatened.
Yeah, she’s great. Never mind that the Treasury Secretary is already on record saying we’re not interested in “global currency.” If conservatives knew how money worked, we might not be in the hole we’re currently in.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:34 pmYeah, yeah—the anti-Christ, end-times, blah, blah, blah. They sure make the apocalypse tedious.
Would like to see a discussion about what it means not to have the U.S. dollar as THE reserve currency. We don’t have to be derailed by their derangement. This could be a very significant issue.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:34 pmNo, they arent saying that. China keeps it currency value low as its what keeps business, low costs, low labor costs, going into China. A global currency would ruin its economy. China wants to make sure the US dollar, which they invest in by buying our Treasury Bonds [Debt] maintain there value.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:38 pmSomeone needs to shut this freak up. I’m thinking a c0ck in her mouth would do.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:40 pmi hear they’re selling reynolds wrap BOGO this week @ food lion.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:41 pmThe one-world currency meme has been around since John Birch was merely a gleam in his dad’s eye.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:43 pm.
Dear Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN),
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpupJ7ZIf84
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March 27th, 2009 at 3:44 pmThe only link is on the whack frequency in his chapeau.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:45 pmif this is the voice of the conservative movement…batshit crazy bachmann and her sidekick tub-o-lard limbaugh then they are in rougher shape than even i thought.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:45 pmFrom now on when addressing a Rushpuppetcan or one of the newly formed Republidems on any subject use this: (edit at you own discretion).
*Over the past several months/years, liberals/progressives have addressed you with substantive information and arguments a far greater number of times than the ten fingers and ten toes you use to count with. Sadly, substantive information and arguments have been, are, and always will be completely ignored by you. Therefore, addressing them to you is an exercise in futility and a complete and utter waste of time. Accordingly, you should be dealt with as one would deal with a dog infected with rabies and foaming at the mouth. You don’t try to coax or coddle it; you put it down (figuratively speaking in this context) and move on.
* I did not write this, I came across it while reading another site, it was witten by someone named snapdog in response to a poster who was trolling. It pretty much knocked the wind out of its victim because he/she/it was speechless and could not come up with a response.
RIP
March 27th, 2009 at 3:45 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Bachmann should introduce legislation against the Boogeyman too
March 27th, 2009 at 3:47 pmOBAMA WANTS TO BAIL HIM OUT!!!!! END BED-TIME TERRORISM!!!!!!
March 27th, 2009 at 3:48 pmI was kicked out of Hannity’s supposedly fair and balanced forum yesterday for mentioning that Bachmann and Palin take their marching orders from wingnuts and were just a couple of empty skirts. That was being disrespectful in the moderator’s mind. Yet all sorts of demeaning posts about the President are allowed. No great loss, everyone else in that forum likes to have conservative pundits do their thinking for them. That is not the kind of company I like to keep.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:48 pmwatchout5 Says:
Just because conservatives are kooks when it comes to social issues that doesn’t mean they don’t know how our money works and when it’s being threatened.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
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Ahh, so that’s why they repealed Glass-Steagall and deregulated the banking industry and threw the country and most of the planet into near-complete financial collapse, right? Cause they know when our money’s being threatened and how it works.
Atta boy, conservatives!
March 27th, 2009 at 3:49 pmIf she did, and she got, say, Richard Shelby or MItch McConnell to sponsor a Senate version, I’m sure that Harry Reid and Ben Nelson would urge careful consideration of the proposal, out of respect for their colleagues across the aisle.
Don’t want “partisan warfare”, after all.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:50 pmGenerally, it takes less than Tired’s proposal to get you guys shaking and fearing for your lives and property.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:51 pmI gave up on posting on conservative sites years ago. Its one post / ban. Now I just lurk-4-lulz.
Oddly enough though, I registered at stormfront and tried to parody trolled when the minutemen were in the newscycle and nothing… Moral of the story: You just can’t out crazy the Nazis.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:53 pmLet’s see… what did Crazy Shelly say, again?
BACHMANN: What that means is all of the countries in the world would have a single currency. We would give up the dollar as our currency and we would just go with a One World currency
Do you even read or understand what you cut-and-paste, tpafla?
March 27th, 2009 at 3:53 pmtpafla Says:
Tim Geithner said he was open to exploring a Chinese proposal to reduce reliance on the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
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Explain why this would be a bad idea, given the recent instability in the dollar. Why wouldn’t it make sense to use a basket of currencies for international transactions?
March 27th, 2009 at 3:54 pmright-wing internet communities don’t tolerate people who have their own opinions
March 27th, 2009 at 3:54 pmYou DO realize that you just posted evidence that this is so, right?
March 27th, 2009 at 3:54 pmSure Michelle, it’s not like the people of Minnesota have any real problems to worry about. They like the idea of being neck deep in flood water. Maybe you ought to shut your yap and go fill some sandbags.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:55 pmRaid Says:
Poor baby, that will never happen here, all points of view are tolerated.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Flagged.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:55 pmCan’t tell if you’re joking or not, but essentially they are. Ask Keltoi and backup. They’re both regular conserative posters of varying quality that haven’t been banned for their views.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:55 pmI literally LOLed.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:56 pmWingnuts use Michele Bachmann as their celebrity spokesmodel.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:59 pmA kook… haha!
March 27th, 2009 at 4:01 pmTry the best homepage
deebaser Says:
I literally LOLed.
March 27th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
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You should try it figuratively sometime – it’s much more ironic… ;)
March 27th, 2009 at 4:01 pmtpafla, I believe this was written for you:
March 27th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
BECK: Most people don’t understand, Michele
No shit Sherlock. It takes a real nutcase to be in the same room, much less the same page as that freaktoid. But if anyone can resonante to the same frequency it would be you Becky. And maybe fatpal.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:07 pmWell, yes, she’s long had the reputation for being kooky, but this latest is really more about being DUMB as a box of rocks.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:08 pmresonante. WTF, a new Italian dish?
RESONATE
March 27th, 2009 at 4:09 pm“Socialist! Socialist!!!” wasn’t doing the trick, so they had to move on to the “One World Gummint!” Bircher line (the “ZOG” option being off the table for obvious reasons, but wait long enough and it will appear nonetheless).
The Republican party is truly in the hands of psychotic, floridly paranoid lunatics. And RW talk radio is doing everything it can to further that. Brown shirt commodities futures are up, I hear.
Cheers,
March 27th, 2009 at 4:10 pmOK, Michelle. Take it easy, relax…those nice men in their white coats will be here any minute…
March 27th, 2009 at 4:10 pmProve it.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:11 pmShe’s the LAST person I want silenced . .
Keep TALKING, Michelle!!
Remember Bachmann’s ‘unconditional loyalty’ to Palin, the VP candidate who couldn’t find a prayer-buddy before the debate?
March 27th, 2009 at 4:12 pmBachmann is a publicity whore. She either really believes what she says (scary) or she says stuff to get a reaction and in the news cycle.
Look at the other story about her calling for people to get armed and have an orderly revolution. Is that treason?
Hey Michelle, we had an orderly revolution, its called an election and your side lost. Get over it.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:14 pmNo Raid, the “poor babies” are the thin skinned whiners who complained about my comment. Criticizing Hannity is considered blasphemy in that forum. Ad hominem attacks on the President are his M.O. I felt compelled to call him out on that.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:14 pmtpafla Says:
Tim Geithner said he was open to exploring a Chinese proposal to reduce reliance on the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.
Mr Geithner told the Council for Foreign Relations that he had not studied the proposal by Chinese central bank governor Zhou Xiaochuan for greater use of Special Drawing Rights in international reserves, but said “we are quite open to that”
Bachmann did not say that! Geithner the tax cheat did! Geithner is the kook!
Apparently, neither you or Bachmann realizes that the “reserve currency” being referenced is not the same as the dollar. Or the same as a “global currency”.
If you took a little time to READ, rather than rush about looking for “gotcha” criticism of liberals, you might avoid looking like an idiot.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:15 pmThanks for your sincere concern, tpafla, but I’m afraid you’re the one who’s confused.
This thread is about Shelly Bachmann and her conspiracy theories, presented as fact.
You offer a quote from the Treasury Secretary, as demonstration that Democrats are really the bad guys. Or something like that.
Pretty weak tea, even for a lame troll like you.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:15 pmtpafla Says:
Geithner doesn’t even know what he’s talking about or that what he says could have consequences.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
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What consequences do you mean – a momentary hiccup in the currency markets?
OH NO! HORRORS!
Seriously, get over yourself. The market reacts when Ben Berneke farts. It’s a fickle beast that fears change. That’s no reason not to entertain ideas that could be beneficial in the long term.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:15 pmLying sack of cr@p.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:15 pmA new reserve currency is an excellent idea. We could still keep the dollar here. A neutral currency that all countries can agree to, would work wonders for the world economy. Bachman is a hysterical nut who doesn’t know what she is talking about.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:16 pmThis is either badly done sarcasm or a complete lie.
Given that the perp is a conservative, it could go either way.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:17 pmgummble-bee-itch Says:
Apparently, neither you or Bachmann realizes that the “reserve currency” being referenced is not the same as the dollar.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
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Well, it kind of is. The dollar is the de facto global currency. All international commodity prices and international trade and investment flows are demoninated in dollars. The reserve currency the proposed basket would replace is, indeed, the dollar. But it’d be for specific types of international transactions only.
That does not mean, of course, that the dollar would be replaced as the currency for domestic transactions. That’s a moronic straw man argument of Bachmann’s own creation.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:20 pmI’m embarrased as a Minnesotan that this loonybird represents us. At least I don’t live in her district.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:21 pmI have to say, once I was horrified by her shocking stupidity, but now it seems I’m falling love…
Dig those crazy eyes…
March 27th, 2009 at 4:21 pmdeebaser,
March 27th, 2009 at 4:22 pmOr Tracy, or RR, or Chat,
tpafla Says:
I just think that Geithner should know better than to say that. He needs to realize what he says will have consequences. He still is on his learning curve.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
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Once again, you fail to explain what these consequences are. Do enlighten us.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:23 pmWe know that you cancervatives didn’t want to have to clean up the mess that Bushco created. And we know you don’t have any leaders who could do anything but make it worse.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:24 pmShe’s on the Financial Services Committee. Is that decided by lottery, or what?
March 27th, 2009 at 4:29 pmSadly, this is true. Bildo has a history of trying to place responsibility for anonymous internet postings in blog fora in the laps of those hosting the discussions.
Bildo apparently has no concept of the principle of open discussion, in which each participant is responsible for what he says. It’s quite likely that our friend Archie — er… tpafla has a similar cognitive block.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:30 pmDr matt,
March 27th, 2009 at 4:32 pmI concur about Archie.
All this has happenend before. History always repeats itself.
It’s all good!
If history repeats, Gingrich will make a secret deal to sell the Iranians plutonium, while claiming on tv that he’ll never negotiate with them.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:37 pmtpafla Says:
The dollar fell 1.3 per cent against the euro as headlines saying “Geithner open to SDR currency” flashed across traders’ screens.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
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Wow! 1.3 per cent?!? That’s, like, almost a PENNY AND A HALF!
Or 0.00978006 Euros, if you want to convert it to a stable currency.
HORRORS!
March 27th, 2009 at 4:37 pmAgain, thanks for your concern.
However, I must judge from the content of your posts, and the mental acuity and perceptiveness demonstrated therein, that your opinion can be safely ignored.
Have a nice day.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:44 pmwhile it’s fun to poke fun at bachmann, world currency (and a global central bank to regulate it) is not a “false conspiracy theory”. check your sources, TP, as this has been discussed far and wide… well beyond drudge’s sphere of influence and outside of china, too. go ahead and split semantic hairs on “reserve currency” and a euro-like replacement for hard cash but the truth is is that we are indeed headed toward a homogeneous global economy with a shared single currency. whether it is proposed at the G20 next week, or in 20 years, it is an inevitable outcome of this crisis, or ones to follow.
so what are you guys on about here? it’s a little weird to see democrats trying to spin facts into “kook theories” like some cabal of neocons producing disinfo for the unwashed masses… i mean, this story has been covered by bloomberg, reuters, cnn, FT, etc, etc. so wtf? is there an agenda here?? or are you guys working for the other team?
http://v2.ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2009/03/27/54110/global-currency-it-could-happen/
March 27th, 2009 at 4:49 pmhttp://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2009/03/23/53904/introducing-the-global-central-bank-solution/
I put the “e” in education
March 27th, 2009 at 4:52 pmConspiracy theory or not, it’s a wise proposal. Surely we don’t want to give power over our nation’s currency to foreign powers. I say her proposal is not only harmless but safe, which is better than sorry. I support her proposal.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:53 pm“If we give up the dollar as our standard, and co-mingle the value of the dollar with the value of coinage in Zimbabwe, that dilutes our money supply. We lose control over our economy.”
Which planet do you live on, Michelle? We still have the dollar and have lost control of the economy.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:53 pmIs now the time to compare ducations?
March 27th, 2009 at 4:53 pmStill no proof. You continue to post pedantic meanderings that don’t even approach the topic at hand.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:54 pmCool I fixed myself before I even needed fixing
March 27th, 2009 at 4:54 pmhideousmonster Says:
Conspiracy theory or not, it’s a wise proposal. Surely we don’t want to give power over our nation’s currency to foreign powers. I say her proposal is not only harmless but safe, which is better than sorry. I support her proposal.
And just why are we making nice with China these days? Maybe they are backing the pitiful dollar with their support?
March 27th, 2009 at 4:54 pm#
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tpafla Says:
chiro,
Are you really this simple-minded? Are you not getting what I’m saying- that Geithner is just as big a loose cannon as you say Bachmann is. That he had to get slapped by Mr. Altman for saying what he did. Geithner doesn’t understand his job. He says things he shouldn’t and he should know better. This is not about if going global is a good or bad idea, it’s about “kooks”.
So you’re trying to convince us that you have clearer understanding of the subject than Geithner? Based on your credentials . . .
And yet people with actual credentials disagree with you. How strange is that?
March 27th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Since they have ALL our military secrets, why haven’t the Koreans already kicked our asses or is that one of our secrets they bought?
March 27th, 2009 at 4:56 pmI cannot deny that you were not here to bond and form new friendships.
You’ve been very helpful indeed. More so than you probably suspect.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:57 pmtpafla Says:
There is a two-edged sword to all of this. If Ralph and others who post hatefilled rants stop, nobody wants to
Pay attention, class. Gibberish 101.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:58 pmDon’t lecture us on hate filled rants baby raper.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:59 pmtpafla reminds me of Valient Venus. So sure of herself, so clueless.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pmI say after banning a global currency, we declare our debts to the federal reserve bank legally void, confiscate the assets of the fed, turn them over to the treasury, begin printing our own money, issuing it without interest, pay our debts to the chinese with gold in exchange for their US dollar holdings, and burn our excess dollars until they can rise to values comfortable enough to be backed by gold.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pmPlease point to a “hatefilled rant” of mine.
Thanks.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pmwearechange Says:
go ahead and split semantic hairs on “reserve currency” and a euro-like replacement for hard cash but the truth is is that we are indeed headed toward a homogeneous global economy with a shared single currency. whether it is proposed at the G20 next week, or in 20 years, it is an inevitable outcome of this crisis, or ones to follow.
March 27th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
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We already have a homogenous global economy with a shared single currency – it’s called the dollar. The price of oil is in dollars. The IMF lends money in dollars. China just re-pegged the RMB to the dollar. The dollar IS the global currency of which you speak.
The question is whether or not this is a good idea. Sure, it’s nice for us, because the dollar’s use as a global currency artificially inflates its value by keeping demand high. However, this means that fluctuations in the dollar have global consequences, from the price producers recieve for coffee in Indonesia to maize in West Africa to light sweet crude in Riyadh. When the dollar is unstable, it affects billions of livelihoods around the world.
This isn’t a semantic debate. Bachmann and Beck are talking about a ridiculous notion that all world currencies will be replaced by a single monetary unit. Nobody is even remotely proposing this, and the fact that they are fearmongering with it is a clear attempt to rile up the radical militia fringe of their party.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pmtpafla
I know that llama. I have worked with that llama. There is no hatred in that llama’s heart.
You sir are no llama…
March 27th, 2009 at 5:01 pmYour concern is unwanted and unnecessary. Now STFU.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pmYep, when Arch — I mean, tpafla says “I was not here to bond and form new friendships”, that I cannot deny.
Thanks.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pmI really do have to go to work but still when do we get to do that compare our educations dealie? Is it possible old tpafla changed it’s mind about that?
March 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pmdbadass Says:
I put the “e” in education
March 27th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
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“Educatione?”
What are you, cajun?
March 27th, 2009 at 5:03 pmAnd that reason would be…?
March 27th, 2009 at 5:03 pmHoodathunktick Says:
And just why are we making nice with China these days? Maybe they are backing the pitiful dollar with their support?
I’m not against making nice with anybody. I’m against letting them maintain or increase their leverage over our economy.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:03 pmThere is already a “world currency”. We call it the dollar. The rest of the world is ready to move on. The reason that the rest of the world is ready to move on is because they have had enough of insane, and irresponsible, lawmakers like Crazy Shelly. Crazy lawmakers, like Crazy Shelly, are dangerous to our national sovereignty and continued existence.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:04 pmSince they have ALL our military secrets, why haven’t the Koreans already kicked our asses or is that one of our secrets they bought?
North Korea, smaller than most US States. Same country that fought us to a stand still in the early 50’s.
Zoom forward 50 years…Why start an expensive war when the US is holding a garage sale?
March 27th, 2009 at 5:05 pmThose fish won’t fillet themselves. See ya all in about 6 hours…
March 27th, 2009 at 5:06 pmhideousmonster Says: I’m not against making nice with anybody. I’m against letting them maintain or increase their leverage over our economy.
Pity your hero, Boy George didn’t feel the same way.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:07 pm“Well, Glenn, I have experienced that throughout my political career, being labeled a kook.”
Labeled? You’re the living proof, Bachmann. And trust me, there are labels worse than “kook”, and many apply to you.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:09 pmtpafla Says: And yet people with actual credentials disagree with you. How strange is that?
A prize from a box of Cracker Jacks is more valuable than most pundit’s claims.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:11 pmCome on fatpal, do you think you can post the same idiocy and hide behind a new moniker?
Please change your moniker back to Archie.
Or Archie dung beetle.
Or Archie the baby raping dung beetle.
Or Archie the Scientologist baby raping dung beetle.
We can see the baby powder on your shorts buddy, you ain’t fooling anyone here.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:12 pmpete Says:
The dollar is only a world currency to the rest of the world. To us it’s our own national currency. I will not support the use of a currency which is minted on a level of government above or outside of our constitution.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:12 pmHypocrisy. Not very becoming either.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:13 pm“hideousmonster Says: The dollar is only a world currency to the rest of the world. To us it’s our own national currency. I will not support the use of a currency which is minted on a level of government above or outside of our constitution.”
Don’t worry, little buddy. The way the last 8 years have trashed the dollar you won’t be able to give it away soon. Save your nickles.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:15 pmAnd is this position based on logic that you can explicate, or simply fear?
March 27th, 2009 at 5:16 pmI will not support the use of a currency which is minted on a level of government above or outside of our constitution.
Dammit! Does that mean I gotta keep all these Euro’s Jay Z gave me for myself?
Oh well…
March 27th, 2009 at 5:16 pmIn my humble opinion I think that we should encourage the likes of Bachmann, Beck et. al, to speak out, forcefully and often, of their conspiracy worries. Everytime they speak, the normal folk see them as the lunatics they are.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:16 pmHoodathunktick Says:
I’m no fan of Neo-Cons. They’re as diabolical as neo-libs.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:18 pmThere are two groups who continue to support Crazy Shelly.
1. Those who are so filled with the Holy Spirit that there’s no room for knowledge of the real world.
2. Those who have never heard her speak and blindly support anyone with an (R) after their name.
I might add that the local media here in Minnesota doesn’t report most of her insane ravings and, when they do, they always seem to play her as the victim. It’s not the first time that “Minnesota nice” has backfired. However, one of the two major local papers did actually run a somewhat critical story about her, and her allies in the comments are drying up, so there is hope that the good people of the 6th District will remove this blight on American governance next election.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:18 pmI will not support the use of a currency which is minted on a level of government above or outside of our constitution.
What will you do at Chuck E. Cheese when you can’t use those tokens???
It’s gonna be a sad birthday this year…
March 27th, 2009 at 5:19 pmWhich is ironic, since Neo-Conservatism is more or less just a crystallization of Neo-Liberal foreign policy.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:21 pmI still can’t get over that it is always the repubs crying “conspiracy” / “govt takeover” / etc.
Yet when it comes to taking over the govt / shadow govt / etc it is always the work of the repubs.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:21 pmI should also add, in a saner light – It used to be that the dollar was regarded as the stable currency and was therefore a good candidate for being the world reserve currency. Several countries even tied the value of their currency to the dollar.
However, the last 8 years have amply illustrated that the dollar can fall, and fall big. So it makes sense to consider moving away from the dollar. (Well if you’re not an American it makes sense. American will loose by this however).
March 27th, 2009 at 5:23 pmIf the Chinese are watching this, I imagine they are scratching their heads.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:23 pmwags camponotus saundersi Says:
The logic of government is always based on fear. People create laws to ease fear. Currency is worthless, when not backed by something finite. A central bank would have the ability to financially suffocate anyone it pleases, and bribe others to crush its political enemies. It would issue money only at interest and yet be the only entity allowed to create money. After interest had accumulated, the economy would soon own more money than the global bank would have allowed to exist, essentially enslaving us all to an unpayable debt.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:25 pmNo. You said this:
… which clearly indicates that you paid no attention to the link that gummble bee-itch included in his post that you copied.
It was from a blog written for the Financial Times. One would have though it clear that gum was referring to the credentials of the author, Izabella Kaminska of the Financial Times, not his own.
For someone who touts his own education so frequently, tpafla seems to fall frequent prey to sloppiness and and outright hackery.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:27 pmAfter interest had accumulated, the economy would soon own more money than the global bank would have allowed to exist, essentially enslaving us all to an unpayable debt
Wasn’t that an episode of the Twilight Zone…
imagine if you will, a world where people’s debt is larger than there cash reserves…
…wait- that’s not the Twilight Zone. That’s my house at the end of the month… NOOOOOO!!!!!
March 27th, 2009 at 5:29 pmSeems to be a trend among vice-presidents this century.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:29 pmthere = their
*blush*
March 27th, 2009 at 5:30 pmThat’s an awfully paranoid view of the world. It’s clear that you have no faith in even the possibility of a benevolent government.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:31 pmDid i miss it when Arch — I mean… tpafla cited a “hatefilled rant” of mine?
I must have missed it, right?
March 27th, 2009 at 5:32 pmAh, the old “false equivalency” trick.
See, this is an example of the kind of reasoning that led me to decide that your opinions could be safely ignored.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:33 pmHoodathunktick Says:
I’m quite familiar with the consequences of the last administration, but I’m not foolish enough to believe that the new one is incapable of making things worse, simply because he’s a democrat. This new president has more people in his cabinet from Wall Street than any previous president in US history, and until he repeals the patriot Act, brings our troops home from the middle east, and dismantles the Department of Homeland Security, I will continue to be skeptical of his intentions. I don’t like the last eight presidents, so I have little reason to trust this one.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:33 pmCorrection: the logic of conservative government is always based on fear.
Carry on.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:35 pmWhat fun! The monumentally stupid trolls continue to harp the virtues of the clinically insane Crazy Shelly. And then they try to compare “libruls” they don’t like to a woman with this amount of documented insanity?
From being caught hiding in bushes and spying on people, to screaming “KIDNAPPERS!” when a political opponent followed her into a bathroom, to treasonous calls for rebellion against the lawful government of our country. (BTW. She said the same crazy crap when the GOoPers were still in charge too.) The whole sordid story can be found here.
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/
Alas. The stupid trolls, who need education the most, won’t ever do the research to find out why insane freaks like Crazy Shelly are as dangerous to trolls as they are to the rest of the world. One would think the trolls, stupid as they are, would be deeply ashamed to have nuts like Crazy Shelly claiming to represent them.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:38 pmhideousmonster Says:
The dollar is only a world currency to the rest of the world. To us it’s our own national currency. I will not support the use of a currency which is minted on a level of government above or outside of our constitution.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
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You do realize that there are in fact several hundred currencies minted on a level of government outside of our Constitution, right? The Pound, the Euro, the Yen, the Yuan, the Dirham, the Peso, etc. What do you do, protest outside of travel agencies and airport currency exchange kiosks? Tell travellers they’re going to hell for using the Rupee?
March 27th, 2009 at 5:39 pmHas anyone determined yet if she is dog whistling the End Time wing nuts who believe that one of the signs of the Rapture is when a Universal government institutes a universal currency? I’m not acquainted with MN 6th district as to whether they are a bunch of right wing religious Bible thumpers or not.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:40 pmhideousmonster Says:
After interest had accumulated, the economy would soon own more money than the global bank would have allowed to exist, essentially enslaving us all to an unpayable debt.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
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The unregulated free market has already done that, far more efficiently than any government could hope to accomplish.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:40 pmwags camponotus saundersi Says:
The benefit we get from government is that it points is missles away from our country, imprisons violent offenders, frauds and thieves, and it can’t distribute wealth to any without robbing even more wealth from others. It rarely produces, and it doesn’t allow you to choose what services you fund. It doesn’t care if you use its services. you’re paying for them anyway. Government is a weapon meant to give some leverage over others. And worst of all, the people who manage it tend to be very ambitious, and if the government isn’t constantly kept in check it can easily and quite naturally become despotic toward the very people it was originally meant to benefit.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:41 pmTpaflas Said: Can you back up anything you say with some real thought as to why you don’t think Bachmann and Geithner are the same kind of kook, besides “he’s a dem and he works for Obama so that makes him perfect and wonderful and beyond mistakes”?
That I think they are kooks or not makes no difference as Im interested in the actions.
Is Geithner against a global currency? Most likely.
Is Bachmann against a global currency? Most likely.
Do we have a global currency? No.
Are either beyond mistakes. No.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pmtpafla thinks Bachmann is comparable to Geithner. It’s probably only a matter of time until she gets a cabinet post … snort …
March 27th, 2009 at 5:43 pmShe went to Regent “University” fer cryen out loud!
Heck! Her very first political job was on the board of a charter school. She illegally, and against direct written orders, introduced Bible teachings into the curriculum. The school was forced to close, fire the whole board, and reopen under another name. She remains unrepentant.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:43 pmchiroptera toasterhead Says:
You do realize that there are in fact several hundred currencies minted on a level of government outside of our Constitution, right? The Pound, the Euro, the Yen, the Yuan, the Dirham, the Peso, etc. What do you do, protest outside of travel agencies and airport currency exchange kiosks? Tell travellers they’re going to hell for using the Rupee?
I don’t care what currencies those governments choose to use. I don’t get a vote in their governments, and i don’t want one. I do care, however what currency my government uses, and I will not support my own country’s use of a global central bank.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:46 pmThe truth of the matter is that all money is created thru credit which is really debt. Thats not what the founding fathers envisioned
March 27th, 2009 at 5:47 pmWell, since I never said anything even remotely close to “he’s a dem and he works for Obama so that makes him perfect and wonderful and beyond mistakes” I think that would make this a straw man argument on your part. And a particularly weak one at that.
Simply put, I find Geithner’s statements not even in the same class as Rep. Bachmann’s. You say they are essentially identical in craziness. You justify this by claiming that Sec. Geithner “doesn’t understand that there are consequences to what he says”, yet you have identified no consequences except for a slight (and likely brief) dip in the value of the dollar, which has been taking a pounding for years.
Basically, you equate the complex statements of the Secretary of the Treasury (statements that have drawn wide agreement, as the link that you ignored from gum demonstrated) with the somewhat less-grounded ravings from the resident crazy person of the current Congress.
They’re not equivalent just because you want them to be.
And given that you’re a conservative, and would by instinct rate a right-winger higher than deserved and a left-winger lower, the very fact that you put these two on equal footing demonstrates that for moderate folk, Rep. Bachmann out-crazies Sec. geithner by a long shot.
Have you found those “hatefilled rants” from me yet, by the way?
March 27th, 2009 at 5:47 pmTexas Aggie Says:
I’m not acquainted with MN 6th district as to whether they are a bunch of right wing religious Bible thumpers or not.
I live just a few blocks outside her district and, while it’s an over simplification, you’re not far off. The problem is that the local media, inexplicably, portrays her as a “Good Christian Lady”. And that’s enough for a lot of good, though unsophisticated and ill-informed, people.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:48 pmAgain, just because you say it, doesn’t make it so.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:49 pmDo you support the use of the US dollar as a global reserve currency?
March 27th, 2009 at 5:50 pmI have no idea what you’re trying to say here.
A considerate poster cites and often quotes (with proper attribution, generally) a statement to which he or she is replying.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:50 pmchiroptera toasterhead Says:
The free market is not unregulated by any means. Try to start a business and you will see what I mean. The number of regulations, fees and tax codes with which businesses are forced to comply give huge corporations a serious advantage over new start-ups, because the big businesses have the funding and man power to manage it all. Not to mention the government contracts normally awarded to the largest corporations. It is government which makes it impossible to compete with big business, and it is the privately-owned and operated central bank, the federal reserve, which has inflated our currency.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pmI have plenty of questions about Geithner and would be happy to discuss them in a discussion where he carries any relevance, stupid troll. The subject of this discussion is a U.S. Congresswoman who wastes valuable time trying to enact legislation to protect her from a paranoid delusion.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:53 pmHideous Monster Said: The free market is not unregulated by any means. Try to start a business and you will see what I mean.
First we must seperate the financial market from the goods markets. The goods market works quite well, people pay what they think something is worth.
The financial market is quite different. We do know that derivatives have been traded on unregulated markets which has led to severe problems. Windehandel.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:54 pmFrom the wiki:
Bachmann grew up in Anoka, Minnesota, graduating from Anoka public high school in 1974. She graduated from Winona State University and later received her J.D. degree from Oral Roberts University and a LL.M. degree in tax law from the College of William and Mary’s Marshall-Wythe School of Law.[4]
….One such parent, Denise Stephens, charges the board of directors of the school (which included Bachmann) with trying to set up classes on Creationism and advocating that “something called ‘12 Christian principles’ be taught, very much like the 10 Commandments.” According to Stephens, school officials also refused to allow the in-school screening of the Disney film Aladdin, feeling that it endorsed witchcraft and promoted paganism. With her directors, Bachmann appeared before the Stillwater School Board to address the parents’ concerns. Feeling that the criticism was an unfounded personal attack, Bachmann stated, “Are you going to question my integrity?” As the critique continued, Bachmann and four members of her board resigned on the spot – reportedly viewing the whole controversy as stemming from anti-Christian discrimination.[5]
Bachmann denies the charter school involved any controversy on religious curriculum: “My original hope was that it would be a good academically grounded school. There was a disagreement in philosophy about how much we should be taking on at-risk kids.”[6]
March 27th, 2009 at 5:55 pmXisithrus, Hemiptera Says:
No. They should use their own currencies, and be as independent of our country as possible.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:55 pmWell said, pete. Our sad little friend, unfortunately, has little else that he can do to defend Michelle Bachmann, so he seems to have decided on the “divert and distract” strategy, thinking that it will score him some points.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:56 pmI seriously doubt Geithner did his own taxes.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:57 pmtpafla Says:
Pete,
And look what schools Geithner went to and he can’t figure out how to do his taxes. He also has no common sense to know that what he says has consequenses. Mr. Altman had to bit@h-slap him for it.
Typical Archie behavior. Simply repeat the same stupid remark over and over while ignoring any evidence (yes, Archie, it has been provided — trying learning to read) to the contrary. Just because you personally think Geithner is wrong does not make it so. Simply because Altman thinks Geithner misspoke does not make it so. And repetition proves NOTHING.
March 27th, 2009 at 5:58 pmPlease point out where I made this argument, Archie?
Oh, another straw man? Fine, we’ll put it in a pile wit all the others.
Or if you want to show where I made the argument you attribute to me, you can get to that right after you identify my “hatefilled rants”.
Thanks.
Oh, and as for the rest of your “argument”, your mean-spirited extremist characterization of the secretary’s performance? More evidence that your opinion can be safely ignored.
March 27th, 2009 at 6:05 pmXisithrus, Hemiptera Says:
Well, if they’re going to have a global currency, then it’s too risky to allow it to be from a central bank, or backed by anything other than gold, silver, and other precious metals. In other words, the price of an ounce of gold in world dollars should not be allowed to change, under any circumstances. A central bank should be expected to gradually change such a rule, and in doing so, secure its own power over the entire world. To prevent this, banks would have to be regional anyway, so we might as well keep national currencies.
March 27th, 2009 at 6:05 pmSo let me get this straight. Other countries want to stop using the dollar as a reserve currency. Crazy Shelly and the trolls take that to mean the World wants to impose a new World currency on us. When, for all intents and purposes the dollar itself is a world currency and fear of changing that is the impetus for all the hysteria, the best comeback they can muster is?
hideousmonster Says:
No. They should use their own currencies, and be as independent of our country as possible.
That’s exactly what the “World” want’s to do, you silly tit! They want to cut themselves away from dependence on the effing dollar!! And you’ve let a complete mental case lead you into a effing box because she’s afraid touching a Euro is “taking the Mark”!!!
What an effing idiot. If you want to troll, somewhere else, have at it. But you’re effing toasted here. You’re done. You’re dung too.
March 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pmIn other words, the price of an ounce of gold in world dollars should not be allowed to change, under any circumstances
You do realize that the value of gold is pretend too, right?
And that it fluctuates…
March 27th, 2009 at 6:21 pmQuick, look over here at the global currency conspiracy!
Don’t look at that bailout process… nothing to see here, move along…
March 27th, 2009 at 6:28 pmCool. A new currency. Maybe we can go back to sea shells and beaver pelts.
I wonder, how much pelt does she have? Hmmmm.
March 27th, 2009 at 6:29 pmtpafla… I will take your post as, ‘I, tpafla, am hopelessly lost and over-matched in this argument and so will now declare victory and go home…’
Sound about right?
March 27th, 2009 at 6:49 pmApparently, Archie, you missed it when I posted in #214:
A considerate poster cites and often quotes (with proper attribution, generally) a statement to which he or she is replying.
But once again, Archie, you post nonsense, in apparent reference to somethin you think I said, but you either don’t have the courtesy or the courage to actually cite the reference.
I don’t recall agreeing with you on very much, so, given your reluctance to identify what you’re referring to here, I must conclude that you’re making up shit again, or that your interpretation is wildly off the mark (which would certainly fir with the pattern you’ve established).
So… still no “hatefilled rant” of mine? I know you’ve thrown a few straw men out of your little getaway car since then, but this is the first one, and I’d like to see you justify it.
Thanks.
March 27th, 2009 at 6:53 pmDo you really want to compare remarks under stress, of constant questions and still trying to learn a job of nearly infinite complexity and dealing with an inherited crisis larger than that of any incoming Treasury Secretary in recent memory, to Crazy Shelly’s lifelong record of batscat behavior?
Need I remind you that, should Mr’ Geithner prove as bad as you think, he can be replaced? Our Congress is stuck with Shelly for another term because it’s almost impossible to recall a Congressperson, but she should damn well start being censured for her inflaming rhetoric and idiotic legislation about imaginary issues.
March 27th, 2009 at 6:55 pmDear President Obama, you are one very clever politician. One off handed comment by Geithner and you have the whole Republican establishment in melt down, and demonstrating their are idiots. Keep playing these wingnuts like a tightly strung violin. I voted for you because I thought were the right guy for the job, but the wingnut comody is an added bonus. Thank you Mr President.
March 27th, 2009 at 7:50 pmSo you STILL cannot cite the posts to which you’re referring?
Your post at 7:37 (#236) is confusing and narratively scattered. You appear to be quoting another poster, but you did nothing in terms of format to set it apart from your own words (hence my suggestion to attribute quotes), so that it all appears to be your own comment.
You don’t seem to place a premium on helping others understand what you’re trying to communicate. Perhaps you find it enough to be able to say “try learning to read” but I assure you, I’ve read some of the most difficult works in the English language (and some translated from other languages) and my comprehension skills are pretty fair, at least as determined by my college professors. So I’m confident it’s not entirely my fault that your posts make precious little sense.
I accept your apology regarding the “hatefilled rant” but you must recognize that this side issue could have been disposed of hours ago, had you the courtesy to actually reply to my posts as written.
And I will return the apology — I apologize for calling you “Archie”. You remind me and several others of a poster named Archie B, who went through several identities over the past few weeks. Your style and ideology are eerily reminiscent of his. Eerily reminiscent.
But, back to your post — you say:
Except you didn’t give us the article. You simply told us where you found it. It’s nice of you to let us know where you got your info, but when it’s an online source, it’s also considered good form to actually link to the article, so that we can check it out for ourselves. You know, like the link that gummble bee-itch provided for you. The one you ignored.
You see, we’ve found that some conservatives have a habit of misrepresenting the stories they use to buttress their claims. I know you would never do a thing like that, but still. Also, I tried going to “FT.com” and my browser wouldn’t open up a page. Perhaps you could link to it?
Oh, and you still haven’t clarified what it is you thought I agreed with you on.
Thanks. I think we’re making progress, don’t you?
March 27th, 2009 at 7:56 pmEgad! Trolls are stupid these days.
Mr Geithner’s competence, or lake thereof, is irrelevant to the conversation. Though I will add that he has bosses and staff who should be able to correct him if he’s about to commit a mistake.
Ms. Bachamnn, because of the etiquette of the House, is able to occupy the time of that august body considering her personal fantasies, preaching, and generally behaving in an erratic and unstable manner.
I’m well enough connected to local polling and commentators to make a well supported contention that the people who elected Ms. Bachmann have never seen her in action. Many of her supporters still live outside cable coverage and local broadcast news doesn’t replay her rants. And many more just vote for whichever (R) their Preacher tells them is the most pro-Jesus.
For those who casually watch local news she is allowed to unilaterally make claims that she’s taken out of context and a victim of “the librul media” in the same media she accuses of being “librul”. If we really had a liberal media? She would be in an institution, waiting for the meds to balance her out, rather than sitting in the House.
March 27th, 2009 at 7:58 pmThe problem with Crazy Shelly is that she is fundamentally: dishonest, bigoted, ignorant, dogmatic, vindictive, petty, dishonorable, reckless, partisan, primitive, delusional, aggressive and incurious. Those contentions are based on well documented incidents spanning her entire career.
I do not see a similar pastern in Mr Geithner’s record or the records of those around him.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:04 pmRalphie baby?
March 27th, 2009 at 8:16 pmI am SHOCKED! Shocked, I tell you, to learn that our friend tpafla was never interested in real conversation from the start.
Oh well, it won’t stop me from trying to engage our conservative friends, nor from pointing out their inconsistencies and oversights.
It does solidify my trust in my instincts when it comes to trolls, however.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:17 pmIs this troll channeling his heroine? From his posts he’s just been plain whacked.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:18 pmWho’s distracted? I’m continuing my campaign, with single minded purpose, to expose a politician who may be the most dangerously unstable freak in the House. I will continue until such time as she is voted out.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:18 pmTell me truthfully, tpafla, are you stuffing those dollars you have been hoarding for the local topless joint into that bra you bought on line? It isn’t really hers, you know.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:20 pmThink about who you’re defending, stupid trolls. Do you really want the “librul media” investigating how many hate groups your kind seem to affiliate with. Crazy Shelly doesn’t think. I can’t imagine why anyone would want her to represent them in any way.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pmSince you appear to have forgotten the topic you can tell me. You just like the idea of a whacked out member of Congress, don’t you? Michelle appeals to the non-medicated side of you.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pmOne troll who doesn’t get it, and one who’s pumping for the gold standard.
Poifeck.
Hideousmonster. In the midst of a crisis, where companies are going out of business because they can’t get loans, either to tide them over or to change direction, your proposal is to make loans harder to get by tightening up the currency.
Not only is that idiocy, it’s familiar idiocy. It’s exactly the policy the Republicans followed in 1929, when they turned the Stock Market Crash into the Great Depression.
Tighten credit! Remove the flexibility from the monetary system! Don’t float currencies!
And why? because Debt is Bad.
Here’s the scennario: Company A is in trouble. Sales of their line of products have been falling steadily. Cost of materials and cost of manufacturing are rising–and a series of bad business decisions have put the company on shaky ground.
What do you do?
What you do is you rework your product line, retool your factories to put out new products that are more suited to the market, boost your market visibility with increased advertising and promotion–and borrow to do it.
The person who whines about taking on increased debt is someone who would shrink the company until it dies.
I shouldn’t have to say this to a conservative, but wealth gets created.
Wealth is ultimately generated by human creativity. A creative culture makes value, invents things that people want, develops and improves existing products. And a rich society is able to buy them.
And it doesn’t matter if the creator of that value borrowed the money to do it, ‘earned’ it, or inherited it. The value is added, and the economy–and the world–are enriched.
Any businessman knows this.
The advantage of debt is that it enables someone with the creativity but without the assets to create that value. Without the ability to borrow to start a business or to expand one, you have no choice but to sell your idea to the rich.
The rich, of course, like this, and for most of human history, have discouraged entrepreneurship and commercial credit. A tight currency enables those with wealth–the nobility with their ancestral rights to land and their ability to take money from the less powerful–to keep it.
It also keeps the economy as a whole crippled.
The same applies to a national economy. The richness of an economy is predicated on a number of things, but two of the most important are its tendency to generate value, and its vigor as a market to respond to value. Generating value once meant extracting resources from nature–finding gold in the ground and chopping down mahogany trees–but now it means both technological innovation and cultural vigor. Inventing computers and making movies create wealth. And that’s dependent on things like the education of its population its freedom and diversity, and the ease of doing business. But the second part is just as important–you need a market that can buy your wonderful new stuff. Without a rich market, you can create something absolutely wonderful and transformative and get little or no reward–if you’re fellow citizens are too poor to buy it.
Ask a businessman what he’d rather have: a) lower taxes or b)an improved business climate and he’ll choose b every single time. If people are richer, they buy things that the businessman sells, and his company gets richer. If his taxes get lowered and his customers stay poor, he goes out of business. And if his customers borrow to buy his product? Sure! His company does better, and if he translates that into more hiring and better pay, his market gets just that much better, and his opportunities for expanding even further improve.
And does it matter if that money isn’t ‘real’? If it’s ‘fiat’ money?
Only loonies who’ve never run a business think so.
And just to speak to the issue at hand, the reason why there’s NO interest in a global currency is the SAME as the reason why there’s NO interest in returning to the gold standard. It removes flexibility. If we had a global currency we couldn’t be doing a tenth of what we’re doing to save our asses. We’d have to sit there and accept a shrunken economy.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:32 pmHideousmonster, you do realize that tying the dollar to gold is the SAME THING as adopting a global currency, don’t you? Making gold instead of the dollar our currency?
tpafla, what is this mental block you have that prevents you from using the format tools to distinguish between words you quote from another, and those you compose yourself?
Is that just one of the tactics you favor for “distracting TP posters”?
March 27th, 2009 at 8:40 pmMichelle bachmann’s salary is a wasteful drain of federal bucks, whatever the currency.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:42 pmtpafla Says:
The problem with Crazy Shelly is that she is fundamentally: dishonest, bigoted, ignorant, dogmatic, vindictive, petty, dishonorable, reckless, partisan, primitive, delusional, aggressive and incurious. Those contentions are based on well documented incidents spanning her entire career.
Ralph,
I arrest my case!
Yah, that “case” needs to be arrested, that’s for sure! Cause it’s a fraud!
All I see there is observations, seemingly accurate observations as far as I can tell.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:43 pmHere’s the most concise record of Crazy Shelly’s insane career.
Will any trolls have the integrity to read a few articles at random?
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/
BTW. There are several local Reichradio personalities who do, occasionally, express there disgust that such a nutbag claims to speak for them.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:43 pm“Their disgust”. Sheesh!
March 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pmI agree with toasterhead:
This isn’t a semantic debate. Bachmann and Beck are talking about a ridiculous notion that all world currencies will be replaced by a single monetary unit. Nobody is even remotely proposing this, and the fact that they are fearmongering with it is a clear attempt to rile up the radical militia fringe of their party.
This is what makes Ms. Bachmann dangerous.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:46 pmRalph,
Distracting tactics don’t work on me. Just the really smart well-read posters.
Need anyone say more?
March 27th, 2009 at 8:48 pmThe crazy things Geithner “probably said”? Dude, you are so transparent.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pmAnd they keep proving our case with startling regularity. Crazy Shelly is a member of Congress and, as such, will have the same platform for her radical and irrational notions until she’s voted out.
She will continue to ask uneducated hicks to take arms against the lawful government of our country. She will continue to vote in accordance with a Belief that long term spending is useless because Jesus saved the World 2,000 years ago.
She will, ironically, continue to vote for anything she interprets as pro-Jesus who, I would Believe can take care of Himself now that he’s safely in Heaven and repudedly will do as He wills should He, as Crazy Shelly Believes, return in the immediate future.
She will continue to vote in accordance with a Belief that WASPS are the only ones entitled to full protection under the law. She will continue to introduce ridiculous crap designed to protect her from invisible threats. And I never get tired of exposing her.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:59 pmMy guess is that this is because you’re not interested in the posts of others, except as a jumping off point for your own adventures in distraction.
Which is why you choose to hang out here, obviously.
That’s always my first consideration. In this case, I considered it and rejected the possibility, in light of the willingness of so many others to use the formatting tools and your refusal to do so.
I explained why it’s a confusing way to post, but I’ll go over it again:
First of all, it’s dishonest. You quote the words of others in exactly the same format, and as part of the same body of text, as your own composition. If a reader does not recognize the words from another post, it’s reasonable to assume that they were composed by you. This can also legitimately be seen as plagiarism.
Second, it’s confusing because you quote the words of others and then reply to them in the next paragraph, with no indication that the voice has changed.
The tools of written communication are limited, and the reader is very seldom within your own head. Thoughts that are expressed clearly to your own way of thinking can often come across completely differently to a reader who is unfamiliar with your thought patterns or beliefs.
It should be easy to see the responsibility for communicating effectively falls on the writer in this case. Of course, the reader bears some responsibility for trying to resolve confusing elements of the work before dismissing it, but ultimately, the writer is the one in control.
It really comes down to common courtesy.
Of course, if you’re not really concerned with whether you communicate effectively — if your primary interest is in disruption — then none of this means anything to you.
Still, it helps me to write this stuff down, even if it’s going out to a troll who will piss on it.
March 27th, 2009 at 9:06 pmTo whom is this directed?
Why would you assume that the gentleman in question is the “hero” of someone here?
March 27th, 2009 at 9:07 pmtpafla Says:
Hoodathunktick Says:
Ralph,
Distracting tactics don’t work on me. Just the really smart well-read posters.
You a little late with this one. More sarcasm on my part. Ralph understands.Ralph,
Outside of your illiteracy, I see no response from Ralph prior to this post.
I can tell because you are still here. But your azz makes a nice hat.
March 27th, 2009 at 9:07 pmtpafla, Wahlgreens sells inflatable cushions for you to sit on. Since Ralph handed you your azz, I mean.
March 27th, 2009 at 9:10 pmtpafla,
March 27th, 2009 at 9:27 pmYou are right about Obamas Chicago connections, and in some circles that may be taken as a compliment. The ability to flush out your opponents and expose their motives or stupity is a political art. This President has the Republican Party chasing it tail and appearing like a bunch of buffoons. He is expending no capital, and he is providing me with one hell of a good laugh. Humor never hurts. The members of this party have to get their act together and play the loyal opposition.
As for FDR, he showcased in his time the very might of capitalism, when the world was turning to communism and facism. Reagan is not a favorite of mine, Reaganonics has gotten this country into this mess (my opinion). Who would want another Reagan anyhow?
Reagan will always stand in the shadow of Roosevelt, you can’t rewrite history. President Obama appears to be a student of FDRs and Lincolns, two of this countries most skilled politicans. With the Chicago honing, its no wonder the Republicans are chasing their tails.
ralph the wonder lucust said:
Still, it helps me to write this stuff down
Writing can be very cathartic.
I, for one, thoroughly enjoyed reading your post at #267. Reading a well-written post is very nice for the soul also.
March 27th, 2009 at 9:33 pmBECK: Most people don’t understand, Michele, what that means.
And most people who watch Fox, Glenn, don’t understand that it’s never gonna happen.
What I find particularly interesting is that a fairly constant refrain from the Reich is that liberals play on fear, all the while drumming up the most half-baked doomsday propaganda since the Mayans. However, the more they crank up the crazy (and what better example of that can there be than Beck and Bachman), the more votes they cost the GOP…
March 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pmAll paper money is basically junk. The true “world currency” is gold. Paper money is only backed by the faith of the government issuing it. When the government starts printing too much paper money its value decreases.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:21 pmDoubtless out pet trolls have been busy reading up on Crazy Shelly? I’m sure they’re getting ready to pounce with some devastating proof that she’s a dedicated lawmaker who serves the best interests of her constituents rather than a dangerous nut who should be muzzled.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:25 pmGold is neither stable nor currency. Go try to buy a car with gold.
Unfortunately credit, the vast majority of it in U.S. Dollars, is the world currency and has been for decades. The value of that credit is based on everything and nothing. Oil goes up in Singapore and rice goes down in Texas. Either one can make a gallon of milk jump 30% at the corner store.
The entangled and unstable nature of the world markets, for which everyone shares blame, makes it impossible for anyone, even the Almighty U.S.A. to pull out. And an unstable, uneducated, simpleton like Crazy Shelly is not qualified to speak on the subject.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:34 pmralph the wonder locust
I did enjoy your writing at 267. Good command and an even delivery, very nice. My compliements.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:03 pmIs it just my imagination, or does the Republican’s have some good looking women in public office that are a just a few bricks short of a full load? Cheesers with the latest ranting of former vice presidential candidate Palin going off on the McCain campaign and with Bachman making recent statements in public that it is time for the people of her home state take up arms and prepare for a revolution really bode well for their party? I thought that it was a good idea for women to be elected into public office regardless of party affiliation. I still believe in it, but with the recent outbreaks of strange behavior by some female politicians, my thinking just might change. I suppose that fenales aren’t really all that different from their male counterparts and just blame it on the mentality of anyone who desires to be a politician. Politics either changes an otherwise decent human being into a stark raving loon, or there are no decent human beings in politics.
March 27th, 2009 at 11:38 pmI must quibble, leneeg. Any illusions of beauty among the unhinged, Reichwing, harpies of the GOP seem to vanish the second they start speaking. I find Crazy Shelly no more appealing than a viral infection.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:39 amtpafla Says:
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The dollar fell briefly yesterday after US Treasury secretary Dollar dips as Geithner’s ‘loose talk’ hits world’s reserve currency
Tim Geithner said he was open to exploring a Chinese proposal to reduce reliance on the US dollar as the world’s reserve currency.
Mr Geithner told the Council for Foreign Relations that he had not studied the proposal by Chinese central bank governor Zhou Xiaochuan for greater use of Special Drawing Rights in international reserves, but said “we are quite open to that”
Bachmann did not say that! Geithner the tax cheat did! Geithner is the kook!
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No Geithner is NOT a kook but you clearly are stupid. Changing from the dollar as reserve currency is NOT the same as creating a single world currency anymore than the FACT that today the dollar IS the world reserve currency means the dollar is THE single world currency. You really are a dimwit
March 28th, 2009 at 1:18 amtpafla Says:
You need to be careful of your hateful posts. When Mr. Podesta sues Bill O, all Bill O will have to do to prove his case is show them your hate filled rants to an opposing view. Think, Mr. Hate, think!!!
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My GOD you are stupid. Go pour yourself a nice steaming hot cup of STFU
March 28th, 2009 at 1:25 amTouting Her Currency Conspiracy, Bachmann Insists: ‘This Is Not Michele Bachmann Being A Kook’
It’s weird that she feels the need to clarify this…
March 28th, 2009 at 2:44 amThe stupid is strong in this one….
March 28th, 2009 at 2:48 amCompared to Bachmann’s latest seditious statements this rant is a bit mild. She is more than merely unhinged, her outbursts border on the criminal. In making a calculated appeal to the the armed wing-nuts for armed insurrection against a legally elected government she has crossed the line.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:22 amWell, I must be pretty stupid, since I see Bachmann’s point.
March 28th, 2009 at 10:34 amI mean from an economic standpoint, if there was a world currency, the United State’s dollar would have to float on a “crediblity,” scale. Since our country saves less per capita than any other industrialized country in the world and we are awash in consumer dept, and since our economy is based on agriculture (our #1 export)finance and housing, what will we have to support our huge deficits???
It really would be a no brainer to infer that (world currency) would seriously impact the value of the dollar but also to loose value against other countrys’ currency. Of course this is happening as we speak–which is why the Fed is bailing out all these major corporations–to save the dollar from spiraling down on the world trading market. But Bachmann is correct in saying that a world currency–which would probably be guaranteed by the major world powers would certainly negatively impact the dollar–how could it not???
And a world currency makes perfect sense to every major international company out there. If the entire world–made up of individual countries unilaterally guaranteed the efficacy of said currency, then no country–even the USA would be imperiled should one country go bankrupt. It will definitely happen. It will of course not be to our advantage,
but hey we are talking about the world!!!!
Bachmann, Palen, Jindal they are all out of the same box.
The true future of the republican party.
Doncha jest luv it.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:24 amYes comrades, she is crazy and will need the re-education camp. As soon as Obama’s army of brown-shirts can detain her, she should be indocrinated fully through the Karl Marx treatment center:
We don’t believe in chance, that’s why we are disposing of capitalism. We can’t leave Guilt™ to chance either – it is a fickle sentiment and, therefore, it must be systematically reinforced and replenished. In order to support a massive guilt-fueled American economy, both Guilt™ and Sharing™ must be institutionalized and managed in a planned, scientific manner from a central location by experienced professionals.
To rule over the guilt-driven nation more efficiently, the Obama administration needs to create the US Department of Guilt – a government agency intended to stimulate and enhance guilt complexes among the population through coordinated guilt-inducing campaigns in the media, entertainment, and public education.
Guilt czar is to be selected from among the best professional guilt trippers on the raster of Socialist International, to oversee the proper distribution of Guilt™ among all Americans in accordance with assigned quotas (see diagram below). Guilt czar will steer and support the transition from Conspicuous Consumption™ of the Gilded Age to Conspicuous Compassion™ of the Guilted Age, as mandated by government edict.
To this end scientists at Karl Marx Treatment Center developed the following Progressive Guilt Quiz. It is to be taken by all Americans at the start of each fiscal year, to estimate their position in the Guilt™ hierarchy. The level of Guilt™ they are required to feel is directly proportional to the money they are required to Share™ with the Party and its organs in order to receive their annual Guilt™ Offsets.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:34 pmOh, so sorry, comrades, I forgot to send you the link to the guilt quiz. I’m afraid Michelle will have a high score!
http://www.thepeoplescube.com/red/viewtopic.php?t=3154
March 28th, 2009 at 12:40 pmCongress needs to get a EPO they will never know when the knife will come out.This stateswoman is unfit
March 28th, 2009 at 2:10 pmMary Lamb Says:
STUPID check
Delusiona check
product of intense brainwashing check
Ok MaryhadalittleLamb. That was the ignorant troll trifecta. Your post was possibly the stupidest thing I have read this week. Do you post the conversations you have with the voices in your head often?
March 28th, 2009 at 3:51 pmMary Lamb Says:
Sorry Mary I dont go to sites linked to by crazy people. You are simply too stupid to take seriously
March 28th, 2009 at 3:53 pmIt’s of no use to argue with someone too stupid to realize Crazy Shelly is a danger to the continued survival of the human race. Reeducation is not even an option because she doesn’t have anything that equates to a real education here in the reality based community.
As for the rest of it, it reads like old pulp fiction. Plus, when one looks at some of the crap done under Chimpy? We should be carrying some guilt around. In fact, if one is not ashamed by the crimes committed in our names, there is a fundamental flaw in your intellect.
March 28th, 2009 at 4:48 pmBTW, Mary Stupid Troll.
Crazy Shelly’s political ideals never even reach the threshold of relevancy because her intellectual, and behavioral, shortcomings are so very glaring. She is so completely unqualified to make decisions that influence others that I weep when I consider the fact that such monumental idiots actually have a voice in the adoption of public policy.
March 28th, 2009 at 5:06 pmDear Eugene:
Mary Lamb Says:
STUPID check
Delusiona check
product of intense brainwashing check
Ok MaryhadalittleLamb. That was the ignorant troll trifecta. Your post was possibly the stupidest thing I have read this week. Do you post the conversations you have with the voices in your head often?
It really is true, liberals have no sense of humor. My, my, such anger spewing hatred, Eugene. I hope this article helps you:
Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.
“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”
While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”
For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.
Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.
“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”
Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:
creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.
March 28th, 2009 at 5:25 pm“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”
Getting reinforcement for your delusions from Conservapedia, stupid trollette?
Since I am neither a liberal nor a progressive, we can dispense with that bit. guess that you will have to take it on faith that I can tell the difference between a political argument and an insane rant.
As I have made abundantly clear, my objection to Crazy Shelly is not her politics, it’s her long record of erratic and bizarre behavior and proudly maintained ignorance of the issues she is charged to make decisions about.
I have followed her career for years and I do not make these statements out of ignorance, indifference, malice, or political gain. My observation of her and her related record has convinced me and others, beyond any doubt, that she is fundamentally incapable of being trusted to make a rational decision about anything.
All this would be bad enough but, she goes on. She has a disturbing habit of using any microphone she can find to incite a bunch of inbred hicks to begin an armed insurrection against our lawfully elected government. She is, at best, a dangerous kook. At worst? She’s a traitor who, along with other voices of the Radical Reich, may end up with even more blood on their hands. And that would be an unbearable tragedy.
March 28th, 2009 at 5:59 pmYou people want to see a Kook? Get up go into your bathroom and look in the mirror.
Or you’re simply in denial. I guess I would deny the inevitability of anything that makes me uncomfortable, and globalization of currencies will indeed be VERY uncomfortable, but it doesn’t make it any less inevitable. Get ready for it, it’s coming!!
March 28th, 2009 at 7:11 pmOkay, most of us WHO ACTUALLY READ THE ENTIRE STORY know that this fire storm is coming…so we are forewarned.
If the GOP legislatures actually jump onto this bandwagon, which will be debunked, they will only look more lost than they currently appear.
This will be just another distraction and waste of energy, but what I am seeing is that many bloggers are not reading or doing any research before they respond to information and so many of the discussions are screaming, yelling, name calling and a waste of time.
This is almost as depressing as listening to Bachman make her own reality and the talking heads allowing it to air…aren’t these individuals suppose to be adults?
March 28th, 2009 at 7:21 pmIf you want to see a kook follow this link and read a few articles from the archives.
http://dumpbachmann.blogspot.com/
March 28th, 2009 at 7:35 pmwow this is her not being a kok
March 29th, 2009 at 2:07 amid hate to see her im full kook form
March 29th, 2009 at 2:10 am