Foreign Policy Initiative’s Kagan And Kristol Already At Odds On Engaging Iran
Foreign Policy Initiative’s Kagan And Kristol Already At Odds On Engaging Iran
Earlier this week, super-hawk neoconservatives Bill Kristol, Robert Kagan, and Dan Senor officially launched their new war incubator — “The Foreign Policy Initiative” — with the unveiling of its first policy event on Afghanistan. (The Wonk Room’s Matt Duss tentatively titled the event — “Afghanistan: Dealing With The Huge Problems Created By Many Of The People On This Very Stage”).
Senor, the former Coalition Provisional Authority spokesman under Paul Bremer, told Foreign Policy magazine yesterday that part of the group’s mission is to build “consensus” on major international issues that challenge the current thinking of those who currently hold power in the U.S. government. “We think there needs to be consensus on the other side of these issues,” he said.
But alas it doesn’t appear that FPI is off to a very good start building that “consensus.” Here is Kristol reacting to President Obama’s “historic” message to Iran on Fox News Sunday last week:
KRISTOL: [I]t’s an embarrassment. [...] No, it’s a weak and embarrassing statement by a president of the United States. [...] Appeasement begets appeasement. Appeasement does not — appeasement does not lay the groundwork for toughness among your allies who already are weaker.
Kristol continued to whine about Obama’s message in two separate columns, calling it a “message of weakness” and claiming Obama has “no sense of urgency about Iran’s nuclear program” and is “kowtowing” to its leaders.
And here is Kagan driving a dagger through any potential FPI “consensus” on dealing with Iran in a Washington Post column on Wednesday titled “What’s the Harm in Obama’s Approach?“:
But there is logic to the administration’s approach. After all, if the White House is going to give diplomacy and engagement a chance, it might as well do so thoroughly and aggressively. [...] Draw the starkest contrast between the present benevolent U.S. administration and the evil Bush administration. [...] I honestly can’t see the harm in the Obama administration’s efforts. I hope they succeed.
Matt Yglesias notes Senor’s inclusion in the project “is especially interesting since neocons of the Kristol/Kagan ilk ostensibly now believe that the early years of the war were catastrophically mismanaged. And yet here they are with the public face of the mismanagement as their partner in warmongering.” Maybe then the “consensus” Senor refers to is that they’ll all just agree to disagree.
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The Foreign Policy Initiative is just putting lip-stick on a neocon, facist, reich-wing, warmongering, pig.
March 27th, 2009 at 7:35 pmDan Senor is married to Campbell Brown.
She should explain her position on CNN.
March 27th, 2009 at 7:37 pmHas Kristol — or anyone — explained what they mean by “appeasement” in this context?
Is there any reason we shouldn’t just figure they’re incapable of conducting serious discourse?
March 27th, 2009 at 7:38 pmKristol has gone too far this time. I never liked him on SNL either…..oh I’m sorry. But I’m sure you can understand how I could mistake him for a comedian. Maybe just another Murdoch shill who is the editor of a paper with a circulation of 60,0000!
March 27th, 2009 at 7:39 pmJust start from a real basic, boys. War is BAD. Avoid it at all costs.
Take it from there.
March 27th, 2009 at 7:40 pmMy apologies it’s 60 thousand. In other words almost nobody reads it!!!!
March 27th, 2009 at 7:41 pmperhaps israel-firster billy kristol should more to tel-aviv, join the IDF and lead the charge to tehran. until he puts up, he needs to STFU
March 27th, 2009 at 7:44 pmHas anyone ever noticed but all of the nifty war hawks have never been in a war? I think we should re-institute the draft…any American who speaks publicly about how war is good or necessary immediately gets a no deferment call to duty.
Then we can listen to their first hand reports on why it is needed.
March 27th, 2009 at 7:46 pm.
WOW…
… That was quick. The Project for a New Fascist American Century 2.0 is already running on a flat tire.
.
March 27th, 2009 at 7:49 pmThree Criminal Republicon Pigs! Send these buffoon warmongers to Iraq.
March 27th, 2009 at 7:50 pmSorry OT,
But this is great…
The G(no)P Presents…
The Party of ZERO!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuAstDdFA2M
.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:00 pmFlops and Pratfalls Infinitum.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:06 pmOff to a painfully embarassing start.
Max A-1
March 27th, 2009 at 8:07 pmThat’s precious. So it’s now the G0P?
Someone said something about eternal vigilance, and they thought they heard eternal belligerence, and thought it was a good idea.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:13 pmDon’t hesitate, boys! If greed is to be on its best behavior, you must have more wars of choice! Iron out Iran!
March 27th, 2009 at 8:13 pmRUC,
March 27th, 2009 at 8:14 pmProperly put…
The G(no)P proposes a GØP.
I.m expecting a little car to pull and have eighteen of these neo-clowns get out!
March 27th, 2009 at 8:18 pmI’m thinking another group, besides Kristol and the neocons, that is Unhappy with Obama’s Overture to Iran….
The MULLAHS
March 27th, 2009 at 8:20 pmThe War Pigs who start and cheer for wars are always the biggest of cowards. Although they consider themselves far too precious to fight, their narcissistic love of themselves pales in comparison with the intensity of their cowardice.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:22 pmI will never forget in 2006 when I would wake up in the morning terrified we were going to war with Iran. It seems Kristol and Co. will stop at nothing to further their Neo-con agenda.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:34 pmThe whole hoopla with Iran has given me nightmares. I’m so glad Bush is out, and McCain lost.
March 27th, 2009 at 8:47 pmGOP leader: Bush a ‘millstone around our necks’
http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/03/27/gop.comeback/index.html
March 27th, 2009 at 9:09 pmIsrael’s ethnic cleansing policy is the same as Nazi Germany’s policy in the 1930’s. Israel has driven millions of Palestinians from their homes and into Israeli/Zionist controlled concentration camps.
Two months ago, Israel murdered over 1,000 Palestinian prisoners in these camps. And William Kristol is thirsty for more blood….
http://www.slate.com/id/2214440/
March 27th, 2009 at 9:27 pmhey! matt duss on rachel just now!
great job, matt!
woo hoo!!! TP strikes again!
March 27th, 2009 at 9:45 pmCrap, let’s just get it over with and declare war on the world. We can include California, Alaska and Hawaii while we are at it.
Did I forget to mention Tulsa?
March 27th, 2009 at 9:46 pmBeefeater Says:
Why can’t we just leave Iran alone? Have they ever harmed anyone, ever?
______________
Well… this certainly is a meaningless comment.
March 27th, 2009 at 9:46 pmIt is at times like these that I am glad to have a president who, as he puts it, likes to know what he’s talking about before he says something. Kristol especially does not seem to be bothered by the fact that he is demonstratably wrong almost 100% of the time. As for “appeasment” and the inevitable comparisons to Neville Chamberlain, they are apples and oranges – Iran, so far, does not have imperialistic aims. They have not attacked another country since the 80s when Ronald “We Will Not Negotiate With Terrorists” Reagan and his administration were giving them and Iraq the weapons to fight each other (and later to use on their own people and eventually OUR soldiers).
And how did that work out, Mr. Kristol
March 27th, 2009 at 9:54 pmbloodykris is a common repug warmonger bully.
Picking on weaker countries is just your way of punkin’ out. What about Russia? Tough guy.
March 27th, 2009 at 9:55 pmI wonder what it would take to make the freakishly weird, and over confident William Krisoc to STFU and drop out of public life.
March 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pmRe: #30
Game of life, you’re dead on. I usually try to refrain from outright name-calling, but for Kristol the word “pussy” is the only one that will do…
March 27th, 2009 at 10:22 pmWhat’s the big deal here? After all, Larry, Moe and Curly were always disagreeing with each other. Why should these “Three Stooges” be any different?
March 27th, 2009 at 10:32 pmThe goal of Neocons/Zionists, like Kristol, is to provoke terrorists to attack America. According to Osama bin Laden’s manifesto after 9/11, the #1 reason they attacked America was because of America’s unilateral support of Israel’s terrorism against Palestinians, Arabs, and Muslims.
Zionists, like Kristol, want to draw America into a never ending wars for Israel. How sad for America and even sadder for the millions of non-Israelis who are suffering in the Middle East.
March 27th, 2009 at 10:34 pmWith the damage these people have done to the U.S. and Iraq, hnow can they look at themselves in the mirror each morning without blowing their brains out?
March 27th, 2009 at 10:38 pmgopny
Was chimpy your great leader?
March 27th, 2009 at 11:02 pmThat’s the spirit! I’m lovin’ your approach, gopny! It’s a really bad thing to name a school after a successful individual with a positive perspective. I especially appreciate the way you point out failure. The right wing needs to do this more often… The only way to define success for the beloved “right” is to ridicule others “failure.”
Good job, gopny!
March 27th, 2009 at 11:22 pmWho is the biggest American war criminal? Bush? Chebey? Rumsfeld? Obama? Mr. Obama seems to be trying to replay the disastarous LBJ Presidency (1963 – 1969) in which he tried to combine social progress at home with imperial aggression abroad. MR. Obama knows full well that he is committing war crimes in Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan on a daily basis. Is Mr. Obama trying to get sent to the World Court in The Hague, Netherlands to be tried for his war crimes? Heck of a stupid and evil escalation against the people of Afghanistan today, Mr. Obama…
March 27th, 2009 at 11:32 pmKristool has NEVER been correct on any position and his “military experience” has been confined to airport restrooms . . . who cares what these clowns have to say?
March 27th, 2009 at 11:33 pmPNAC…FPI…what’s the difference?
Every turd flushes the same…
March 27th, 2009 at 11:53 pmOval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Says:
March 27th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
That was quick. Do you have any evidence or proof of your allegations?
March 27th, 2009 at 11:55 pmI wonder what chat thinks about this…
March 27th, 2009 at 11:56 pmhttp://www.madglibs.com/index.php?page=-1
Try these gopny
March 28th, 2009 at 12:05 amgopny Says: OBAMBIHITLER GOT A SCHOOL NAMED AFTER HIM>
March 28th, 2009 at 12:30 amITS THE LOWEST PERFORMING SCHOOL IN THE LOWEST PERFORMING SCHOOL DISTRICT IN THE STATE.
LOL
CHECK OUT THE SCHOOL REPORT CARD : F MINUS JUST LIKE BOHITLERS REPORT CARD
lol, A FAILURE SCHOOL NAMED FOR A FAILURE PRESIDENT
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Damn…you, old right wing TEA BAGGERS are sure an angry bunch.
It sure must be lonely laughing “LOL” and “lol” to yourself tonight (and every night) from deep inside your Fortress of Celibacy.
I’ll pray for you…maybe.
gopny Says:
BEBE, squash those palestinian scum!!!! Go get em, bibi. drop the bomb on them
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Begone you stupid troll sphincter. Your ignorance is offensive
March 28th, 2009 at 12:34 amWell, Kirstol et als advice has been so good for us so far !
Paraphrased From the Bible: If what the prophet predicts does not come true, then do not fear them, but stone them. Because they are a false prophet.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:40 amGØP spells GØPNY. Poor bastard just hasn’t got much except the reichbabble.
March 28th, 2009 at 12:47 amRUC,
March 28th, 2009 at 12:54 amAre you sure it isn’t…
… G(no)P N.Y. ?
RUC,
March 28th, 2009 at 12:56 amI’m an Anax junius. Which genus are you?
gopny:
March 28th, 2009 at 1:01 amI think your magic eightball needs servicing. Check the owner’s manual. It usually gives info on scheduled maintenance
My mom says I’m a Aeshna cyanea. Souther Hawker. The adult eats various insects, caught on the wing. The nymphs feed on aquatic insects, tadpoles and small fish or trolls ambushed in the pond they frequent …
March 28th, 2009 at 1:18 amAin’t I cute!
March 28th, 2009 at 1:19 amAnd Max, I think a valid variation might be G(null)P
March 28th, 2009 at 1:23 amSlap some fatigues on these retards and send them over to fight the wars they rev up for. Brother…
March 28th, 2009 at 1:33 amgopny Says:
Weak GOPPY. Go back to your day job blowing syphilitic lepers on the docks for pocketchange. How did you hear about this wellfare crack program? Did your whore of a mother tell you when you visited her in the trailer park? Ever find out who your daddy is? Or did she just tell you it was whoever bought her the shortdog that night?
March 28th, 2009 at 1:46 amgopny Says: 54
My GOD you are ignorant. How in the world did you get to be so stupid. You are some new kind of pathetic punk. A troll who thinks it is clever to show just how astonishingly stupid you are on a message board. A retarded monkey could pound out more cogent posts on a keyboard by accident than your abject stupidity. Better than yours actually since they would at least be original instead of what you have been programmed with by todays choice of your screechmonkey. It just suck to be as stupid and pathetic as you
March 28th, 2009 at 1:50 amRUCeriousDragonfly Says:
Ain’t I cute!
March 28th, 2009 at 1:19 am
You’re gorgeous!
March 28th, 2009 at 2:04 amHere’s a picture of me. :-)
March 28th, 2009 at 2:04 am.
Wow. These guys have some GREAT ideas! We really need them on the ground at the end of the day, in country, ASAP! How ’bout brevet Second Lieutenant, and a platoon of combat veterans for each of them, somewhere on the Afghani-Pakistan border, tomorrow, first thing? OJT; they don’t need any training. They’re obviously natural-born military geniuses.
After six or eight years of that, maybe they’d like to go Special Ops, conducting clandestine raids into the tribal areas of Pakistan or somewhere in Iran? I really think a military career on the front lines would be the best thing for them, and for the country.
Because they wouldn’t live five minutes.
And that’s why they’d never go.
New law: No proposing combat by anybody who’s never been in it, except when we’re actually under ongoing military attack right here in der Homeland, ja?
And no proposing combat by anybody who’s been in combat and f**ked it up last time they went.
That would relieve most of the Pentagon from such a burden.
March 28th, 2009 at 2:10 am.
Gopny, you and Billy Kristol are to report to the nurse’s station. It’s time for you to take your meds.
March 28th, 2009 at 2:21 amplease tell me who in the world has been successful in the world invading and creating a republic or democracy in afhgan.
what will stop our imperialism?
complete economic meltdown.
coming soon to a town near you. :-)
March 28th, 2009 at 4:29 amHeeeey, Ralph the Wonder Llama has changed his/her name to, “Ralph the Wonder Locust”! LOL What the heck????
March 28th, 2009 at 7:13 am…we are a much better military at this. One thing that struck me with talking from privates to generals, counterinsurgency is now bred in their bones. And that means they know there’s no military — purely military solution.
They all want to talk about governance. They all want to talk about agriculture, about schools. They know that’s the way you win this war. So we are just a lot better at this.
And then the final thing to be said is, they much prefer the Afghan people to the Iraqi people, to be blunt about it. They think they’re more cooperative, more welcoming.
Hmmmm….
March 28th, 2009 at 7:29 amOOOps sorry,
#68 is a quote from David Brooks on the Newshour last Nite.
He is just back from a trip to Afghanistan.
I don’t agree with much of Mr. Brooke’s punditry…but if his REPORTING is for Real…this change in attitude is encouraging.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:36 amKayInMaine Says:
Heeeey, Ralph the Wonder Llama has changed his/her name to, “Ralph the Wonder Locust”! LOL What the heck????
We’re all changing our names to include our insect personae, Kay — you know, in “honor” of Billdo O’Lielly’s calling CAP, TP and its residents “insects”?
Climb on board — I hear the deer ticks can be brutal in the Maine woods…
March 28th, 2009 at 8:05 amthe koch family owns krystol and they want that middle east oil
this is now too dangerous to allow, krystol is trying to make war part of the american culture and it’s working
the entire republican party has been controlled by the koch brothers since the cato institute was formed and there must be something done that exposes them and their propaganda
I am hoping there is more exposure on the koch brothers, too little has been done and they fly completely under the radar, yet THEY are responsible for the republican party the way it stands now
more on the koch brothers here
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/4068
March 28th, 2009 at 8:15 amOh, okay. I missed that. Brilliant! Should I be ‘KayTheKockroach” now? Some would say I should have named myself that all along. LOL
March 28th, 2009 at 8:38 amKayKatydid has a nice ring to it, unless katy has already taken it…
March 28th, 2009 at 8:48 amI think I will be “perrisThePrayingMantis”
me likey
March 28th, 2009 at 9:03 amRight on, bro!
March 28th, 2009 at 9:27 amSince they believe anyone who disagrees with them is Satan, internal dispute is very hard on Repubs.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:44 amWell, I, for one, am proud to be a “TP insect” now.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:47 amI thought mary mantis sounded nice (such a wild-looking insect!) but it looks like raven and perris have that one covered.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:52 amSo, I’m going with the Lacewing. It’s considered a beneficial insect because it preys on aphids and “other soft-bodied insects”. Hmmm, Kristol looks rather soft, doesn’t he?
March 28th, 2009 at 9:55 amI wouldn’t mind, as long as we don’t run into each other in the physical realm…
March 28th, 2009 at 9:56 am;)
Where are their Brown shirts,more Reich wing democracy froma barrel of a gun, imagine that.Take your brown shirtideology and shove it.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:57 amwell chosen mary
March 28th, 2009 at 9:58 am:)
Why thank you Nevarmantis!
Being a male praying mantis sounds rather risky, but, I’m pretty sure that you can handle it.
A study found that:
the males are able to assess the risk of cannibalism and become more cautious in the presence of particularly hungry females
March 28th, 2009 at 10:29 amHello Kay in Maine
March 28th, 2009 at 10:33 amPNAC lives
http://michaelfury.wordpress.com/2009/01/15/new-yorks-bravest/
March 28th, 2009 at 8:53 pm