Spanish court agrees to consider criminal case against former Bush administration officials.
Spanish court agrees to consider criminal case against former Bush administration officials.
A Spanish court “has agreed to consider opening a criminal case against six former Bush administration officials…over allegations they gave legal cover for torture at Guantanamo Bay.” The officials include former attorney general Alberto Gonzales, former undersecretary of defense for policy Douglas Feith, former Cheney chief of staff David Addington, Justice Department officials John Yoo and Jay S. Bybee, and Pentagon lawyer William Haynes. The AP has more details on the case:
Spanish law allows courts to reach beyond national borders in cases of torture or war crimes under a doctrine of universal justice, though the government has recently said it hopes to limit the scope of the legal process. [...]
Human rights lawyers brought the case before leading anti-terror judge Baltasar Garzon, who agreed to send it on to prosecutors to decide whether it had merit, Gonzalo Boye, one of the lawyers who brought the charges, told The Associated Press. [...]
The judge’s decision to send the case against the American officials to prosecutors means it will proceed, at least for now. Prosecutors must now decide whether to recommend a full-blown investigation, though Garzon is not bound by their decision.
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Wasn’t Spain part of the coalition of the willing? I’m glad they’re willing to do more than kiss bush’s ass.
March 28th, 2009 at 6:55 pmIt’s about bloody time! Yea Baby! It’s time to chill the champagne!
March 28th, 2009 at 6:57 pmAs Olbermann said last might “[ now ] begins the comeuppance….”
March 28th, 2009 at 7:02 pmwell hot diggity its about time a govt and a forigne one at that wants to prosecute some in the bush admin for crimes commited in americas name to bad our own govt doesnt have the gonads to do the same
NEWS FLASH: bill o’reiley had delared he will lead the fight against the spanish far left communist facist marxist socialist govt boycot
March 28th, 2009 at 7:03 pmMuch ado! Let’s wait till the wealthy class weighs in and threatens to cut the judges off where it hurts. I’d like to believe that ethics and integity trump money, but let’s remember; this is planet Earth after all!
March 28th, 2009 at 7:10 pm5. Beefeater says:
No, they cannot, nor would they. They might, however, demand a formal investigation, and charge Bush and Cheney after piling up some ironclad evidence.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:11 pmIt’s a shame that the Obama administration doesn’t have the chutzpa to investigate the criminals who are so ubiquitous in the Bush administration. These felons gave the proverbial finger to the Constitution, the American people and the rest of the world. I think the only effect will be that these common criminals will have to plan their vacations around extradition treaties.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:11 pmThe failure of Obama to appoint a special prosecutor for torture related war crimes is the first mistake of his administration.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:18 pmMaybe the name Barack Obama should be thrown into the war crimes pot, since many Pakistanis have been murdered by drones run by the CIA under his administration. Obama’s recent escalations of his war on the Afghani people will constitute more war crimes, undoubtedly. Obama is the second African-AMerican war criminal, Colin Powell being the first.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:20 pmEver so slightly O/T:
Under Reagan, our CIA armed and trained a lot of right-wing fundamentalist peasants and urged them to attack the government of Afghanistan, which then was supported by the Soviet Union. Finally, the Soviet Union intervened and occupied Afghanistan and we racheted up our support of the anti-Soviet forces. When the Russians finally withdrew, in failure, we did nothing to help the people of Afghanistan avoid a rule by religious fundamentalists. No, we let the Taliban take over.
Bush II didn’t like the Taliban government of Afghanistan since they would not allow American corporations to build oil pipelines across their country.
So, using the Taliban support of Bin Laden as convenient cover for an invasion, Bush installed Karsai, a former CIA man and a former Union Oil Company of California executive, as the head of the new puppet government in Afghanistan.
All the bombs, tortures, imprisonments and murders by US occupying military forces are not going to force the Afghanis to accept our puppet government in their country.
Obama should stop committing war crimes in Afghanistan and withdraw all of our contractors, Nato forces and American military occupiers.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:23 pm10 Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Says:
Obama did not start the war in Afghanistan, but you want to blame him for waging it. It’s war, and in war, people die. Why would you want to change the subject to Obama fighting a war he did not start from the war crimes of torture. If you want to bash Obama, you need to find a bash Obama thread. This thread is about the torture ordered by Bush and Cheney, not about Obama.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:26 pmExcellent, those six will lead to Cheney and Bush!
March 28th, 2009 at 7:26 pm12 Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Says:
Obama is, to the best of my knowledge, not committing war crimes in Afghanistan. If you have evidence that some war crime was committed in Afghanistan that Obama ordered, please post a link to it. Why you should want to make such a distracting off topic claim is beyond me, unless you are scared shitless that justice is coming.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:30 pmSpain values their Democracy. They still remember what it’s like to be ruled by Right Wing Fascists.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:30 pmSpanish court agrees to consider criminal case against former Bush administration officials.
– - The presiding judge is the one who tracked down and nailed Pinochet. Look out fellas.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:31 pmOval12345678 aka James K. Sayre
****Maybe you ought to go back & read the UN resolution with regards to the Afghanistan war.But since you seem less incline to seek facts.The UN resolution gave the US & NATO the right to go after Terrorist who had refuge in Afghanistan.Some of those terrorist scurried to the tribal areas of Pakistan.The US & NATO are persuing those who were formerly in Afghanistan.
*** The question of war crimes does not pertain to the Spanish order.The order refers to TORTURE.Please try reading & understanding before you post.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:33 pmTime to lawer up and this time no favors. Don’t look for George W. Bush to speak up as his Father will do his best to save his idiot son only. This time the President of the United States will not get involved as these criminals are private citizens. Pay back is a B***H.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:35 pmThis has been a bad week for the wingnuts. Their leader is losing his sponsorship, and the war crimes investigations appear to be underway. We are going to see the trolls turn up their propaganda to maximum volume to try to spin this away.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:36 pmNobody’s ever gonna send an “Eichmann” raid to snatch ‘Beto and drag his sallow ass of to Madrid to stand trial.
Actually, the Spanish aren’t doing us any favors at all.
What they’ve done is virtually insure that none of those scum-sucking ass-wipes will EVER leave the USofA again… with warrants on ‘em internationally, they cannot leave without facing detention…
So, Gracias, mi amigos…por NADA…
March 28th, 2009 at 7:38 pmBeefeater Says:
I had no idea that somebody with such extensive knowledge of international law posted here.
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I think it’s safe money saying you certainly don’t.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:40 pmBeefeater assumed I know nothing about international law. What he doesn’t know about me would fill a library.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:41 pmThat depends on how deeply they’ve been swilling the neocon koolaid.
The true believers in their Great God Cheney will happily martyr themselves in his name.
The ones who were in it for power and money will not go down quietly. Nor alone.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:42 pmIn the USofA, these guys have always got the Fifth Amendment.
And there’s always appeal, a la that fascist Col, Ollie North. The prosecution can be relied upon to supply a handy escape route in matters of national security.
No jury in the USofA would even consiuder convicting a former President who pled innocence by virtue of excess zeal to protect the people?
It’s a non-starter. You need only ONE juror to prevent conviction. McCain got 45 out of 100 votes cast. Do the math…
March 28th, 2009 at 7:42 pm.
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March 28th, 2009 at 7:43 pmYou can only plead the fifth ammendment in front of a grand jury.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:46 pmFrom the AP:
The officials are charged with providing a LEGAL COVER for interrogation methods like waterboarding against terrorism suspects at Guantanamo, which the Spanish human rights lawyers say amounted to torture.
Yoo, for instance, wrote a series of SECRET MEMOS that claimed the president had the legal authority to circumvent the Geneva Conventions.
Hopefully, the Spanish Investigators will uncover MORE Secret Documents. This could force Eric Holder’s hand…and force him to appoint a Special Prosecutor.
In any case, this action by Spain keeps the issue alive and in the news.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:46 pmjb, You’re correct. The Spanish people remember Franco. The same way I remember dubbaya. I’m not exaggerating to make a point. Like the glossed over,”Business Putsch” of the 1930’s this will ultimately be remembered as a very dark time for our Democracy.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:46 pmTokin, you sound like a defeatist! Too much dope for you.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:49 pmWe did leave him in office, although he should have been impeached for his war crimes. You didn’t think he was going to get a third term, did you?
March 28th, 2009 at 7:50 pmYeah, I can’t wait until the World court gets started on Obama for destroying the world economy. What Bush is alleged to have done will look small compared to the present gang of misfits in power. I’m a Liberal and I voted for Obama, much to my chagrin and eternal embarrassment. He has saddled the next 3 or 4 generations with an insurmountable debt, and very possibly has started a collapse of banking systems world wide.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:50 pm.
Just wait for what the court will suggest be done to the signatory of the memos…
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March 28th, 2009 at 7:55 pm34 bigtoyz Says:
Other than the fact that it is utterly off topic, its also the stupidest thing any troll has posted in this thread so far. Assuming Obama was somehow responsible for the economic disaster created by the Republicans, why would the world court get involved in it? It would certainly be unprecedented. Perhaps you could provide some evidence that the world court would get involved with someone accused of destroying the worlds economy.
March 28th, 2009 at 7:56 pmWell, we knew this would happen sooner than later. How long do you think MSM will hold off mentioning it? Remember Allen’s ‘Macaca’ moment? I was on the web for days before the MSM would even mention it. Sigh.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:02 pmOval12345678 aka James K. Sayre
I am still waiting for you to post some evidence that Obama has committed some kind of war crime in Afghanistan.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:02 pm.
Dear B.S.eater,
#1) Second term up and over… No third term anymore in America.
#2) By Bush’s own words, his team of lackeys have been PWND!
#4) (R)ushpublickin pom-poms are so gauche.
#5) Name the redeeming quality to TORTURE, a WAR CRIME.
#6) Preemptively, I’ve PWND you!
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March 28th, 2009 at 8:05 pm.
Dear bigtoyz,
Out to lunch…
… MUCH?
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March 28th, 2009 at 8:07 pm40 Beefeater Says:
What does Earth day have to do with charges being filed against Bush administration officials? Do you ever contribute to any conversation or do you just try to change the subject so it will go away?
Hey wingnuts, spin all you want, this ain’t goin’ away!
March 28th, 2009 at 8:12 pmDoes this mean we will soon be visited by Conquistadors?
March 28th, 2009 at 8:24 pmMore good news in the pursuit of justice for American war criminals. The British are investigating the involvement of MI5 with the Bush/Cheney torture gang.
I can think of nothing more satisfying than to see the criminals that ran our nation for eight years receive punishment for their crimes.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:26 pmWhile I’m glad to see this issue being taken seriously at last, I am sad that any of it, all the deaths and destruction occurred at all.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:35 pmLevi,
What’s the difference between the U.S.A and Great Britain…
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One had a King named George 43, the other follows the Rule of Law.
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March 28th, 2009 at 8:36 pmit’s is still without bush and cheney lol .
March 28th, 2009 at 8:37 pm.
Q U E S T I O N:
Which came first…
1) The memos?
2) The request for the memos?
TBD at a later date…
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March 28th, 2009 at 8:40 pmI am still waiting for troll (Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre) to post some evidence that Obama has committed some kind of war crime in Afghanistan.
I am also waiting for troll bigtoyz to provide evidence that Obama is destroying the worlds economy or that the world court would get involved with someone accused of destroying the worlds economy.
I can wait as long as necessary wingnuts.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:43 pmI can only pray that Bush & Co. will be held fully accountable for their horrific abuses. They simply must be put in jail for life.
March 28th, 2009 at 8:48 pmyoutube,
March 28th, 2009 at 8:57 pmThe caged birds will sing.
They always do!
This is the best news possible; of course, it makes americans look like a bunch of criminal misanthropes and abettors since we’ve done nothing to do the same.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:02 pmThese neo-fascists are going down.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:03 pmbigtoyz Says:
Yeah, I can’t wait until the World court gets started on Obama for destroying the world economy. What Bush is alleged to have done will look small compared to the present gang of misfits in power. I’m a Liberal and I voted for Obama, much to my chagrin and eternal embarrassment. He has saddled the next 3 or 4 generations with an insurmountable debt, and very possibly has started a collapse of banking systems world wide.
March 28th, 2009 at 9:10 pmThis is obviously symptomatic of a profound lack of understanding of macroeconomics. Did you forget that Clinton balanced the budget? Are you aware that LBJ had the most job growth of any President since, AND HE SPENT BILLIONS ON INFRASTRUCTURE!!! SOCIAL PROGRAMS!!! Are you aware that since LBJ The lowest job growth for a Dem. administration, (Carter) topped the most job growth of ANY Republican? Get a book! Drink it in!!!
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The Bell Tolls louder for BushCo each day!
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March 28th, 2009 at 9:15 pmAdd Cheney and Bush, and you’ve got the sweet spot. Viva Espanola!
March 28th, 2009 at 9:55 pmWe don’t need no stinking Spanish court!! Oh my gosh yes we do. We need some country somewhere, to do what we will not do.
We need a country that understands the rule of law and it’s enforcement no matter who is involved.
If they can do this. If they can by means of rendition or some other way, call this man to account, I say have at it. If they can get him, I for one am willing to forget the Spanish Inquisition.
March 28th, 2009 at 10:06 pmI vote for rendition.
March 28th, 2009 at 10:35 pmThe chickens are coming home to roost!
March 28th, 2009 at 10:40 pmNobody expects the Spanish Inquisition – Monty Python
Addington is the first one on that list I’d like to see in chains. Wanna bet he cries like a little child?
PEACE
March 28th, 2009 at 10:58 pmMax Anax junius -1 Says:
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Dear B.S.eater,
#1) Second term up and over… No third term anymore in America.
There never has been a third term for Presidents which is why I was a bit confused by your use of “anymore” I think we are all aware that the second term is “up and over”, you guys seem to be the ones that continuously talk about Bush and Cheney.
#2) By Bush’s own words, his team of lackeys have been PWND!
Can you provide your reference for this? Didn’t think so.
#4) (R)ushpublickin pom-poms are so gauche.
What is this even suppose to mean?
#5) Name the redeeming quality to TORTURE, a WAR CRIME.
What was the mention of a redeeming quality? Reference please. I didn’t think so.
#6) Preemptively, I’ve PWND you!
Children use “PWND” If you want to be taken seriously, try to discussed things like an adult or at the very least, try to sound “slightly” intelligent.
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March 28th, 2009 at 11:20 pmI hope they get the same jury, judge and kangaroo court that Hussein had. That would be sweet justice.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:26 pmWhen other countries decide to press charges against these criminals it makes the US look like they approved of these war crimes and will do it again.
It makes the US look like they are in some sort of secret diabolical, skull-and-bones, Illuminati bs.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:33 pmcry, your questions are bs and you fend ignorance when you can’t come up with the truth or the truth doesn’t fit your limited imagination. You should be mature and stop trolling, teabag. I doubt if we would ever take a teabag troll word.
HAHAHA on that.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:36 pmHussein was a creep. Cheney is a bigger creep! As they say in the House of Commons, Here Here!
March 28th, 2009 at 11:36 pmGame of Life Says:
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cry, your questions are bs and you fend ignorance when you can’t come up with the truth or the truth doesn’t fit your limited imagination. You should be mature and stop trolling, teabag. I doubt if we would ever take a teabag troll word.
HAHAHA on that.
God you are truly ignorant. You state “when you cant come up with the truth”…what truth am I trying to come up with? I simply ask someone to back up their assertions and you don’t like that? Your response is that of a child. Children lash out or deflect topic in response to that which they can’t defend. Thank you for making my point :)
March 28th, 2009 at 11:43 pmIt’s just like a teabag troll to proclaim that it doesn’t want to capture terrorist. This is the war we should have fought you teabagging, salad tossing troll.
IT’S CHIMPY’S WAYWARD WAR.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:48 pmBeefeater Says:
Well there ya go, maybe you MOONBATS should have left him in office.
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Maybe you MORON should just STFU
March 28th, 2009 at 11:52 pmGame of Life Says:
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cry, your questions are bs and you fend ignorance when you can’t come up with the truth or the truth doesn’t fit your limited imagination. You should be mature and stop trolling, teabag. I doubt if we would ever take a teabag troll word.
HAHAHA on that.
God you are truly ignorant. You state “when you cant come up with the truth”…what truth am I trying to come up with? I simply ask someone to back up their assertions and you don’t like that? Your response is that of a child. Children lash out or deflect topic in response to that which they can’t defend. Thank you for making my point :)
Just as I said you ask question that you know the answers and the truth is too painful for a salad tossing troll like you.
Ignorance bullshyters like you will never stay on topic. NEVER!
You can’t even admit your projectionist behavior. You are the child looking for love in all the wrong blogs.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:57 pmGame of Life Says:
you teabagging, salad tossing troll
As yes, the last refuge of the weaked minded…insults. You see, the real world will continue to ignore you and you won’t be taken seriously until you are able to:
1 Stay on topic
2 String together cohesive thoughts
3 Are able to make a point
4 Are able to communte without resorting to childish outbursts and insults.
And I didn’t think it possible, but thank you for (further) making my point. Sadly though, due to the above referenced points, I must stop responding to you as its a complete waste of my time.
March 28th, 2009 at 11:59 pmCrymeariver Says:
Dear B.S.eater,
#1) Second term up and over… No third term anymore in America.
There never has been a third term for Presidents which is why I was a bit confused by your use of “anymore” I
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Excuse me but where did YOU get this idea? The 22nd Amendment made it so there couldnt be a third term for president Roosevelt was elected to FOUR TERMS as president
March 29th, 2009 at 12:01 amI hope chimpy is shaking in his cowboy boots.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
March 29th, 2009 at 12:01 amcry
done/slayed
hahaha
I didn’t know it could be that easy.
March 29th, 2009 at 12:03 amI must stop responding to you as its a complete waste of my time.
HAHAHAHAHA
Game of Life Says:
you teabagging, salad tossing troll
A little too close to home for ya?
HAHAHAHA
March 29th, 2009 at 12:12 amThe fecking US government is never going to turn over any documents or evidence of any kind if it exists to loons in Spain.
LMAO!
That’s Leftists for you. Nutty.
March 29th, 2009 at 12:32 amThe trolls here are ignorant and have a limited sense of recent history. And there’s an old saying we all know…
Dumbya and his criminal cabal lied OUR country into a war where he and his friends made huge profits (the reason for war, my friends). Then, because they knew they screwed up, they had to make it appear that the people they captured were “terrorists” who were bound and determined to inflict more damage; who had information. And georgie and his minions whacked off as innocent people were tortured. Tortured!
9/11 was an inside job. And these freaks who will soon be prosecuted, know it — yeah, they know it.
March 29th, 2009 at 12:33 amthe troll silence — is especially stupid. He’s one of those that thinks (ouch) the U.S. is above International Law. What a freak!
March 29th, 2009 at 12:40 amIt bothers me that another country is looking into this. I trust the U.S. courts more than any other, and I’d rather see a special prosecutor taking a look into this.
I’m wondering what the criteria for being a special prosecutor is…and if David Iglesias is qualified.
Ok, that was a (probably lame) joke, but surely there’s a decent, non-partisan attorney out there.
March 29th, 2009 at 12:47 amm945 Says:
Rich H Says:
Excellent, those six will lead to Cheney and Bush!
That depends on how deeply they’ve been swilling the neocon koolaid.
The true believers in their Great God Cheney will happily martyr themselves in his name.
The ones who were in it for power and money will not go down quietly. Nor alone.
No, you must truly understand the construct. For the 6 here to be charged with Torture, torture must have been committed. For it to ahve been committed, it must have been committted by guards of Gitmo, who go the order, which was issued under cover the 6 here provided, to the gueards at Gitmo to inflict torture. Ergo, Bush and Cheney are by default, connected and so conspirators in the plan to and the action to commit torture.
March 29th, 2009 at 12:50 amIt is easy enough to see by a high school student.
these spaniards have balls. long live the spaniards.
i wish we had people with balls in the good old USA.
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March 29th, 2009 at 1:50 amAs an American of Spanish descent I say “bien hecho”
And oh. the irony.
The Inquisition, torture, Torquemada….is there a better country to bring these bastards down?!
March 29th, 2009 at 2:17 am.
O M F G ! ! !
The pathetic TROLLS musta flunked US History AND political science.
Dear Crymeariver,
Your ignorance PWND you.
PWND
PWND
PWND
And I can say PWND to you, my child, for you’ve the intellect of such.
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March 29th, 2009 at 3:06 amsorry i was out tonight
and not able to help
crybaby make her point.
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i’m sure it was stupid as usual.
:)
March 29th, 2009 at 3:23 am.
O.K. Crymeariver,
Here’s your help…
#1) http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_Am22.html
http://www.americanpresidents.org/inaugural/31c.asp
#2) The full quote can be found here http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/17/sprj.irq.bush.transcript/
This was his address to the world of the impending “Shock and Awe“. You know, the one where he told the UN inspectors to leave…
… Two days later, America invaded unjustifiably.
#3) Gauche: –adjective lacking social grace, sensitivity, or acuteness; awkward; crude; tactless
You know, The G(no)P.
The cheer leaders of “I HOPE HE FAILS”
… (R)ushpublickin’s
#4) Redeeming: adjective
If it’s defensible, it’s got some redeeming quality worth defending, NO?
NAME IT!
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(but alas, I flunked math… 1,2,4,5,6?)
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March 29th, 2009 at 3:33 amSilence is Golden Says:
That is silence for you. The stupidest of the stupid.
March 29th, 2009 at 4:43 amSpanish court agrees to consider criminal case against former Bush administration officials.
March 29th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Beginning with this half dozen hardcore criminals is an excellent beginning, but let us not forget the main two characters to this — Geo W Bush and Richard Cheney!!!
March 29th, 2009 at 8:51 amAnd just think, McImpotent did not even know Zapatero was the president of Spain.
March 29th, 2009 at 10:14 amThe United States use of torture is a test for those who support human rights around the world. Is their commitment strong enough to bring a case against the world’s only superpower? Is their government going to back up the case with sanctions like those they would apply to any other country found to have committed human rights violations? I’m not optimistic.
March 29th, 2009 at 10:39 amPelotonpro048 @#8,
March 29th, 2009 at 11:11 amI think Obama has to focus on cleaning up the sh!tpiles left on the White House doorstep when he got there. People need help in their daily lives right now, the wars need to be managed now.
I don’t believe that the prosecution of Bush&Co is off the table — I think it is a matter of priority.
If Obama has any hope of passing his aggressive agenda to fix the economy and health care, all the while managing the fiasco in Iraq and Afghanistan, he cannot incur the wrath and backlash that would follow if he overtly went after Bush&Co.
For now, let the committees work, let the private sector continue its investigations with FOIAs, and Obama can pick up the ball later.
I hate the embarrassment of having other countries do what we should be doing ourselves (indeed, should have been doing for a long time)but we can’t change facts. Remember there is no statute of limitations on war crimes.
I have been a strong Obama backer since early on, but I consider his failure to appoint a special prosecutor to investigate the use of torture the single greatest failure of his short tenure as president.
March 29th, 2009 at 11:17 amIf we let these criminals off the hook, I’m afraid they will come back and try it again. Many in Bushco were involved with Iran Contra and Cheney was part of the highly corrupt Nixon crew. We send thousands to jail for relatively minor crimes. The crimes of the Bush Administration are too terrible to allow money and power to thwart Justice.
March 29th, 2009 at 11:46 amit’s funny that the first defense the trolls can come up with to defend BushCo is “well obama killt civlluns’ too!!1″ betraying their lack of perception and comprehension skills. while I am of the opinion that any civilian casualty in a war zone should be treated as a murder, I am aware of the fact that I am a complete pacifist, and also a wuss. needless to say, common consensus that ‘inadvertant’ civilian casualties are usually viewed as nothing more than a ‘great tragedy’ with the worst punishment being the leader of the entity at fault basically promising not to do it again…
the crux of these charges stem from allegations of torture and improper imprisonment at gitmo and other ‘extralegal’ military prisons… the president has categorically denounced any form of torture, which IS a war crime, period.
March 29th, 2009 at 12:46 pmMany in Bushco were involved with Iran Contra and Cheney was part of the highly corrupt Nixon crew.
Yes – and the fact that they were not prosecuted for their crimes then, allowed even worse crimes now.
March 29th, 2009 at 1:34 pmSorry, but i don’t think y’all should get your hopes up.
March 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pmWe voted for hope. Why shouldn’t we get our hopes up?
March 29th, 2009 at 2:55 pmThe Spanish court? Oh , didn’t realize they had one. I’m sure that everyone is scared of the “Spanish Court”! The Spaniards were slapped into servant status by the terrorists and are nothing more than lap dogs for the Islamofacists just as the rest of Europe is. A bunch of cowering liberal limp-wristed whiners. Who give a flying f— what they think? They have absolutely no significance in the world.
March 29th, 2009 at 4:04 pmYes bigtoyz, you Republicans are going to have to deal with a war crimes trial during the 2010 and 2012 elections. You can kiss the Republican Party goodnight.
March 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pmI say torture all these assh*les for bombing America. They deserve much worse then they’ve received. Muslims and Mexicans are cutting the heads off people, but its our fault. I say if you don’t like it here, MOVE.
March 29th, 2009 at 5:25 pmObama is killing civilians inside Pakisatn as I write this. Pakistan is a sovereign government. Congress did not OK military action upon them as they did Afghanisatn and Iraq. Obama is doing this on his own. He better hope is doesn’t kill too many children over there.
March 29th, 2009 at 5:32 pm99 mikehunt Says:
While your anger is justified, it is still against US and international law to torture prisoners, regardless of the crime they may have committed. If you don’t like US law, you should move.
March 29th, 2009 at 5:33 pm101. You should move. You’ve been Obamamized, not me. You were a Bush loving fool 8 years ago when he took out the assh*les that bombed us, and crashed airlines into crowed buildings. I bet you had a U.S. flag on your car. Now you call Bush a murderer.
March 29th, 2009 at 5:44 pmI’ll tell you who the mureders are. The terrorists that take take young retarded girls, strap a bomb on them, and have them walk into a building. Grow up, use your head.
MikeHunt, you are clearly to stupid to be using the Internet. What the US military does in Afghanistan and/or Pakistan is not the same as torture war crimes. You are not the first wingnut troll to post that stupid talking point, and it has been debunked in this thread earlier.
You bring nothing to this discussion but your wingnut propaganda. The Republicans are now the pro torture party, and good luck winning any elections with that hanging over your head.
March 29th, 2009 at 5:45 pmWhere on Earth did you get the idea that I ever supported Bush or any Republican? Please post a link to anything that would support such an idiotic statement.
Perhaps you could also provide a link to when Bush “took out the a$$holes that bombed us”.
You are living in a wingnut fantasy reality of fascist style propaganda. Seek education.
March 29th, 2009 at 5:50 pmWouldn’t it be ironic if the Spaniards or other affected nations kidnapped Feith, Gonzalez, Addington, Yoo, Bybee, Haynes or other above-the-law Bush enablers? Sorta like the U.S. did with their citizens. I suspect the perps are afraid to travel outside the U.S. borders, so arrest them here and smuggle them out.
March 29th, 2009 at 6:25 pmMikePUNK you are an ignorant bigot and a moron of unreal proprotions. You are too stupid to answer so just do the world a favor and go kill yourself. This world will be a bit brighter and certainly SMELL better once you leave it. You ice dancing gerbil molester
March 29th, 2009 at 8:35 pmMikePunk. No YOU should get your sick depraved subhuman moron ass out of OUR good country. Until punks like you without a shred of decency are ignored it will be that much harder to make this the decent country it once was. You are a disgusting piece of garbage and America would just be much better without your kind
March 29th, 2009 at 8:37 pmceltic cynic 105, the same senario struck me. The poor boys may not be able to leave the continent. They will at least have second thoughts about leaving. The president made the right choise not persueing war crimes. This issue needs to rattle around in the public domain, or it would be labled political. We are dealing with Republicans. Once some of the fiscal problems are hammered out this is bound to make its way to the surface.
March 29th, 2009 at 10:38 pmThe Republicans have been minding the store for 8 years,and we are just seeing the tip of an iceburg!
If this administration & Congress refuses to investigate Bush crimes against humanidity then they are part of the war crimes.
I suspect this is the case.
We the people have to force them into it.
We all need to do our part.
March 30th, 2009 at 9:20 amSIG the gimp/beeboy/coffe boy is here?
March 30th, 2009 at 2:14 pmAlecto #79,
Hey AHOLE don’t make up my posts shi*head.
March 30th, 2009 at 2:18 pmThe six former Bush administration officials need to be locked up.
Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang, J.D. Candidate
March 31st, 2009 at 3:56 amB.S., Summa Cum Laude, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993
The complaint was filed by a lawyer in Spain who did his legal studies while serving over seven years in prison for kidnapping and terrorism. His complaint accuses the U.S. government of systematically torturing war-on-terrorism detainees — something the terrorism manual advises all terrorists to do when captured. . He filed this complaint with Baltasar Garzon, an activist magistrate famous for championing the “universal jurisdiction” of Spanish courts. That magistrate is now asking a Spanish prosecutor to bring criminal charges on this matter against former U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales and five over Bush Administration officials. The prosecutor has declined to being such charges.
In an op ed in the Wall Street Journal, Douglas Feith has pointed our blatant errors in the allegations of the complaint, particularly the allegation that he advised George Bush to ignore the Geneva Convention that has been disproved.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:18 am