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After advocating death for AIG executives, Krauthammer rips Obama for ‘demanding’ GM CEO’s ‘head on a pike.’

Earlier this month, after the AIG bonuses controversy broke, Charles Krauthammer advocated unusual capital punishment for AIG executives, suggesting “an exemplary hanging or two” in Times Square and even a guillotine “party.” But today, after President Obama compelled GM CEO Rick Wagoner to resign, Krauthammer regained his sense of civility, criticizing the administration for “demanding” Wagoner’s “head on a pike”:

KRAUTHAMMER: What this is is the President giving in to populist pressure, demanding a head on a pike, which is the titular head of the company, whether or not it makes any economic sense at all. And that makes you worry.

Watch it:

Like many other Fox pundits who have been railing against unions today, Krauthammer added that organized labor has “utterly destroyed the auto companies.”



97 Responses to “After advocating death for AIG executives, Krauthammer rips Obama for ‘demanding’ GM CEO’s ‘head on a pike.’”

  1. robbez_92107 says:

    Why would I ever listen to a guy that looks like an Inca death mask?


  2. Pachydiplax St. Augustine says:

    I wonder if Fox’s body language expert would see evil pouring out of Krauthammer like I do.


  3. dbadass says:

    What is it about this mug that makes me want to wrap his silly ass upside the head?. Smug is hardly an endearing trait… That droopy drawers facial shit doesn’t help either.


  4. Rich H says:

    His head looks like it’s already on a pike.


  5. tombaker says:

    worthless wingnut welfare/dramaqueen

    whose network television nephew is this guy, that the public has to continue to be subjected to him!?!?

    bad ratings were enough to spare us any more Tori Spelling or Paris Hilton – why is it not enough to down this vapid, grinch-faced zombie????


  6. Pachydiplax St. Augustine says:

    robbez_92107, you listen?

    I had the volume turned down and still couldn’t make it past the point where he opened his mouth!


  7. Little Freep Goofballs says:

    dbadass Says:

    Smug is hardly an endearing trait…

    I propose that smugness should be measured henceforth on the KRAUTHAMMER SCALE.


  8. katydid says:

    it doesn’t matter what the deal is, the righties will always object…

    i’ve been thinking for some time that the obama admin should put out some fake proposals, totally opposite of what they really want… then when the bots rant and rail, the plan gets changed to the real thing, and all’s well…

    and then they can even say obama is a flip-flopper…


  9. tombaker says:

    could we call it “Fraudhammer Scale”?


  10. KayInMaine says:

    Krauthammer always looks like he just rose up out of a coffin.


  11. Above the Clouds says:

    Where is the list of all the things conservative dullards like Krauthammer have said that have been proven to be true or even slightly correct? What a clown.


  12. bogglesthemind says:

    “… head of the company, whether or not it makes any economic sense at all.”

    But it does make economic sense. That’s way Obama did it, The guy has been there since 2000 and GM is losing it’s ass, on Wagoner’s watch.


  13. Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre says:

    “…So where are you tonight, sweet Marie?” Maybe old Charlie needs to puff on some good weed and mellow out with some Rockin’ old Bob Dylan songs…


  14. Deschanel says:

    What a vile, ugly little man, always saying vile, ugly little things.


  15. spencers butterfly mom says:

    I hope EFCA passes if for no other reason than to get FuxSnooz employees unionized.

    PEACE


  16. Pachydiplax St. Augustine says:

    Above the Clouds Says:

    Where is the list of all the things conservative dullards like Krauthammer have said that have been proven to be true or even slightly correct? What a clown.

    I’m sure they would say there are hundreds, if not thousands of instances. Then they will produce an 18 page document outlining the different areas the items on the list will cover sometime in the future.


  17. robbez_92107 says:

    But does little Billy Kristol out-Krauthammer on the Krauthammer scale?


  18. Danny Noonan says:

    There are many things that destroyed the auto companies. Good health care for its employees is not even close to the top of the list.

    http://www.pufferfishblog.com/


  19. pete says:

    Reichwing translation:
    The U.S. auto industry’s problems have nothing to do with overpriced, over-engined, overweight, under-engineered, cars that no one wants to own. Their problem was allowing unionization. Damn hipee/commies! sarc/off


  20. Arctic Ghetto says:

    Krauthammer constantly talks himself into small, soiled circles. His paymasters pat him on the head and he yammers on like a burnt out parrot.


  21. Megaloptera McWars says:

    Hey libs, take your pick: Big labor or a big juicy fart!!!

    Be the decider!!!


  22. dbadass says:

    pike is bony and taste like pondwater.


  23. OutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts says:

    I was feeling pretty shallow that my initial reaction to this was that I certainly didn’t need to listen to someone that looks so completely like a zombie. Thanks all for affirming that this is the appropriate reaction.


  24. the Lone Voice of Reason says:

    How can anyone with access to real statistics not see the huge disparity between what auto-exec’s yearly salaries used to be compared to what they are now, and the much much much smaller disparity, if any at all, that union worker’s salaries used to be and what they are now? Of course we are talking about Fox News here aren’t we? No one in the automotive industry has given up more that the workers.


  25. barfly says:

    Doesn’t GM have a board?

    If so, shouldn’t they be canned as well?


  26. Wayne Ant Schneider says:

    Mr. Krauthammer,

    Why is it never the fault of the people running these companies into the ground? Why is it the union’s fault, or Barney Frank’s fault, or Chris Dodd’s fault, or someone other than the people running these companies?

    Did it ever occur to you, Mr. Krauthammer, that maybe these people in charge of AIG and GM and every other company needing a bailout was just no damn good at his job?


  27. Pachydiplax St. Augustine says:

    dbadass Says:

    pike is bony and taste like pondwater

    Hmmm, yummy

    What time is dinner?

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/dixie_native/1090483796/


  28. Xisithrus, Hemiptera says:

    Im sure organized labor caused AIG and the Big Five [Banks] to fail

    /snark


  29. blistex11 says:

    Evil oozing out of every pore, indeed. This man is certifiably demented. (and a flipflopper just to go against Obama)


  30. Marie says:

    Kraut, you make me worry.
    You and your ideological, repugniscum, wealth-loving, America hating rants.
    Your double standards are outrageous.
    The auto industry needs the finance industry to survive.
    Wagoner led his company down the tubes for 8 years in his adherence to the status quo, indeed, in promoting the gas guzzling cars, rather than advertising and advocating more fuel efficient cars. Who needs a Hummer outside of a war zone?
    As for the finance industry; heads of a number of companies have been surrendered — and there are no guarantees that more won’t be taken. For now, those who still remain are obliged to assist in repairing the damage, unwinding the tangles, and reversing the harm of the deregulation you and your repugniscum friends like so much.

    Oh and by the way, you didn’t seem outraged when Unions had to sacrifice, when Union contracts were amended. When the government demands affect the lower/middle classes, you couldn’t care less — but take the job of a wealthy screw up and you squeal like the pig you are.


  31. Xisithrus, Hemiptera says:

    Im also positive that Murdoch losing billions is also related to organized labor just as the 650k jobs that have been lost is due to organized labor and the subprime mortgage problem, and those hundreds of mortgage lenders imploding, and those citibank layoffs – organized labor, and those record Bush deficits? Organized labor. Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan…yup organized labor. Did you know that organized labor also gutted Glass Steagal and force Phil Gramm to slip in his deregulation legislation..Why organized labor is what caused the collapse of Enron, Merrill Lynch and Bear Stearns. Weapons of mass financial destruction? Organized Labor!!


  32. RantingTommy says:

    right wingers are always afraid of a fair deal.

    o hell, right wingers are always afraid, period

    if they weren’t cowards, they wouldn’t be right wingers


  33. Jane E. Schneider says:

    KRAUTHAMMER: “What this is is the President giving in to populist pressure, demanding a head on a pike…”

    I don’t think that there has been anywhere near as much recent “populist pressure” against the auto industry CEOs as there has been against the Wall Street/banking/investment execs. I believe that a lot more people are wondering why the President is treating the guys who cost the country billions/trillions, and helped trigger the global recession, much more favorably. There is a huge, and to me inexplicable, disparity in the bailouts of these two groups. Rachel Maddow had a thought-provoking segment on this tonight.


  34. dbadass says:

  35. Wayne Ant Schneider says:

    Hi, dbadass. Jane’s typing away right now.


  36. Marie says:

    Jane, it does seem a bit of a double-standard, but look at it this way. The auto industry is a mostly domestic operation, and they need the finance industry in order to survive.
    The finance industry doesn’t need them.
    The finance industry, aided and abetted by deregulation, has inserted itself, intertwined, and entangled itself in a million ways around the world. Several financial CEOs have already lost their jobs and I expect that before the book is closed on this era, that more will follow. Right now, though, some of them know where the bodies are buried.
    At least that’s my take on it.


  37. e_to_the_pOTATO BUG says:

    #1 and #22 made me rotflmao!

    KRAUTHAMMER: What this is is the President giving in to populist pressure

    What a blowhard. For crying out loud. It should be the f-ing president’s job to stand for the common man (aka his employer).

    At what point in his bizarro backwards mind do people get to keep their job for castastrophical failure of a century old establishment. Bad management and saturation of overpriced sh*tty cars ruined the auto companies. That’s ok, blame the workers, you suck =D.


  38. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Hi, dbadass! :D

    BTW, I hope that no one is construing my previous comment as being a defense of Wagoner or the auto industry. Personally, I’ve been condemning the execs of the U.S. auto industry for decades, as they’ve fought CAFE standards, pushed bigger and more gas-guzzling vehicles on us, tried to avoid safety standards, and avoided for as long as possible the development of alternate-fuel vehicles. The U.S. auto execs could have been in the vanguard of developing greener vehicles instead of being in bed with big oil.


  39. RUCeriousDragonfly says:

    Perhaps we could get
    Krauthammer’s upper lip
    On a Kaiser roll.


  40. Libellula saturata Annie says:

    Krautie ought to take his little hammer and brain himself with it.

    Er, well, if he *had* a brain, anyway. Demented little moron.


  41. Marie says:

    OT, but somewhat related:
    Just months before the start of last year’s stock market collapse, the federal agency that insures the retirement funds of 44 million Americans departed from its conservative investment strategy and decided to put much of its $64 billion insurance fund into stocks.

    Switching from a heavy reliance on bonds, the Pension Benefit Guaranty Corporation decided to pour billions of dollars into speculative investments…
    The agency refused to say how much of the new investment strategy has been implemented or how the fund has fared during the downturn.

    As companies go bankrupt, the PBGC is the guarantor of their pensions.


  42. pastcaring ceratopogonidae says:

    Krauthammer is a consistently wrong opportunist.


  43. Jane E. Schneider says:

    Right now, though, some of them know where the bodies are buried.

    Marie, I just hope that they talk. I understand your point, I’m just frustrated that so many people lost so much directly or indirectly due to the Wall Street/banking industry failures, yet so few of those who caused that colossal failure are suffering. If stricter, better-enforced regulations are the result, that will help, but I’m not terribly hopeful even about that. Sorry, I’m really just venting.

    (I’m also a bit distracted ’cause we’re watching the great Star Trek Next Gen episode “The Measure of a Man.” Off to watch the Daily Show and cheer up a bit.)


  44. pastcaring ceratopogonidae says:

    Marie Says:
    As companies go bankrupt, the PBGC is the guarantor of their pensions.

    PBGC was, is and if they don’t go under, may continue to be a convenient dumping ground for companies that claim bankruptcy in an effort to dump their pension obligations to their employees.


  45. Marie says:

    Me, too, Jane. Jon Stewart is starting now.


  46. Trittydi says:

    Krauthammer’s face looks more like Dracula’s than anything I’ve seen in a long time. I wonder . . . .
    *


  47. fire _ant_chavis says:

    All I have to say is the comments are too damn hilarious and true! Krauthammer does have the serious death mask look – hard to concentrate on what he’s saying! ROTFL!


  48. buzzbomb says:

    Making fun of Krauthammer’s ugly mug maybe kinda petty, but it’s too damn irresistable when you first gaze upon this hideous creature. Can’t stand when I see his little mug in the newspaper either, because I know it’s accompanied by a sh@t smear article.


  49. RUCeriousDragonfly says:

    Beefy, don’t you have a Holstein somewhere to inhale?


  50. RUCeriousDragonfly says:

    His ideology is as ugly as his mug. I don’t give half a shit if he’s an Olympic Diver or a paraplegic, he’s still a shill for the neocon right and the priviliged class.


  51. Pachydiplax St. Augustine says:

    High Beefy, good shot, bring up a disability that probably 90 percent of the people here knew nothing about. That’s sort of like making him a victim isn’t it while attempting to divert the discussion.

    BTW, I was wondering if you chose the name you use here so we might give you a break on account of your Mad Cow Disease?


  52. OutstandingInAPlagueOfLocusts says:

    Beefeater Says:
    How progressive of you to make fun of a paraplegic with some limitations in the use of his arms.

    We weren’t making fun of his upper body limitations, we were making fun of his face. Petty perhaps, but totally not a disability issue.

    and then Beefeater Says:
    That’s as funny as Obamas Special Olympics “joke”. But I guess it’s all right if you’re a democrat.

    No, but it is easier to forgive a gaffe when you know someone’s heart is right,


  53. katydid says:

    Jane E. Schneider Says:
    [...] There is a huge, and to me inexplicable, disparity in the bailouts of these two groups. Rachel Maddow had a thought-provoking segment on this tonight.

    earlier, on 1600, david shuster put president obama on his hypocrisy watch because of that… a bit surprising… brave?

    i’m going with marie’s explanation but i surely understand and even agree with yours… you’re BOTH right, actually…

    it’s so good to have stewart and colbert back… aaahhhhh…
    r-e-l-i-e-f .


  54. MapleStreet says:

    I was rather glad to see Obama take this move. I hope he also applies heavy pressure with the Banks who got the bailout.


  55. Keith H. says:

    Charles Vampire Krauthammer


  56. ralph the wonder locust says:

    Beefeater Says:
    KayInMaine Says:
    Krauthammer always looks like he just rose up out of a coffin.

    How progressive of you to make fun of a paraplegic with some limitations in the use of his arms. He is in a special chair, and can’t sit up without support. FDR was in a chair too, and I don’t make light of his disability

    No one’s making light of his disability, unless physical ugliness of visage is a part of that disability.

    Right-wingers are so sensitive these days.


  57. Zooey Lepidoptera says:

    Beefeater Says:

    How progressive of you to make fun of a paraplegic with some limitations in the use of his arms. He is in a special chair, and can’t sit up without support. FDR was in a chair too, and I don’t make light of his disability. That’s as funny as Obamas Special Olympics “joke”. But I guess it’s all right if you’re a democrat.
    March 30th, 2009 at 11:20 pm

    I wouldn’t care if Kraut was a quad and on a breathing machine — he spews crap every time he opens his mouth, and diminishes this country while he’s at it.

    His disability doesn’t give him a pass, and it obviously hasn’t made him a better person. Never once have you ever seen anyone here making fun of it.

    There. I burned down your strawman. Time to find another angle, dipshit.


  58. ralph the wonder locust says:

    Pachydiplax St. Augustine Says:
    High Beefy, good shot, bring up a disability that probably 90 percent of the people here knew nothing about. That’s sort of like making him a victim isn’t it while attempting to divert the discussion.

    BTW, I was wondering if you chose the name you use here so we might give you a break on account of your Mad Cow Disease?

    Beefeater is the troll formerly known as Tanqueray and, I suspect known as Gin before that. He was certainly known as Bathtub Gin around these parts.


  59. christopher wiwi says:

    The reason for the kind of $h^t that comes out of the Krauts mouth is ……….somebody stole his lips.


  60. VerbalKint says:

    No insult is good enough for Krauthammer. This freak simply defies description. One of the most pathetic public figures of our day.


  61. Zooey Lepidoptera says:

    Beefeater Says:

    I’ll bet some of your best friends are handicapped too.
    March 31st, 2009 at 1:18 am

    As a matter of fact — yes — including my eldest son. If you knew anything about people with so-called handicaps, you’d know they appreciate being treated like PEOPLE.

    You’ve got nothing, imbecile.


  62. pete says:

    Sorry for going OT but, the trolls will be absolutely spastic when they get a whiff of this story. Short version? It’s been confirmed that Abu Zubaida was tortured, and our standing among civilized nations FUBAR, on a whim. His torture produced NO ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE!

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/white-house-watch/looking-backward/bushs-torture-rationale-debunk.html


  63. The Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity says:

    pete Says:

    It’s been confirmed that Abu Zubaida was tortured, and our standing among civilized nations FUBAR, on a whim. His torture produced NO ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE!
    ____________

    NO ACTIONABLE INTELLIGENCE… but how about that record crop of raging right wing chubbies???


  64. Johnsnottoodistracted says:

    This guy needs to remain on ice.He looks like he is getting electrical-shocks to move his mouth and lungs.
    You have to admit the fraud news re-thug movement is all about fear from all angles, mostly where there is no need.

    When you start out with analysis coming from the absolute bottom of the septic tank, no matter what follows is so polluted it has melted the IT product you are viewing with.
    Are there really people who use this type information to form an opinion? Or is that left up to the script writers too?
    Just wondering but what did this guy do before he died?


  65. Zooey Lepidoptera says:

    I just laugh when these moronic piss-soaked trolls come around here thinking they are the only ones who ever had a job, who know what responsibility is, who ever raised decent hard-working children, and who think they know something no one else ever knew before.

    They just LOVE nailing themselves on the cross, and they piss and moan about filthy liberals — as if we’re not the ones who will help them out of the ditch, into which the conservatives will be ever-so-happy to kick them.

    So I say to you assholierthanthou trolls — you can kiss my lily white ass.


  66. researcher says:

    unions are not without fault but one has to work on an assembly line and treated like dirt to understand why a worker would be loyal to a union rather than the company.

    american leadership is results only oriented and this creates chaos in an organization. GM is a leadership problem not a worker problem.

    this whole economic meltdown is the decline of an american capitalist system that was destined to fail. we are witness to that failure and instead of seeing this decline as a system problem we blame and blame and blame.

    bye bye american style capitalism but not until the middle class is reduced by 50%.

    bet many of those folks about to arrive to the lower class of wealth lined up to vote for reagan and others that promoted his economic ideas.

    we are learning we are learning the hard way but that tends to be how we humans learn.

    good job on keith’s show. so much more class than billo


  67. researcher says:

    whoops I meant amanda terkle good job

    wow found a liberal blog that takes on the right.

    demos afraid to do it. ie spineless.

    it is like the demos and repub live on two different planets with two different ideas about life. god must have a sense of humor to put them on the same planet.
    :-)


  68. Zooey Lepidoptera says:

    Damn it. TP Insect Cabal ™. :-)


  69. Zooey Lepidoptera says:

    The TP Insect Cabal(tm) welcomes you, researcher.


  70. Zooey Lepidoptera says:

    BTW, occasionally we do time travel. Weird.


  71. delafield says:

    Krauthammer, Limbaugh, Hannity, Coulter, and O’Reilly spend their entire lives thinking about hateful things to say.

    Instead of trying to make the world a better place to live, they promote racism, hatred, war, and violence. They are like an evil plague on mankind.


  72. Eugene atrax robustus Debs says:

    Beefeater Says:

    No you are an ignorant piece of garbage and a worthless punkass troll


  73. Silvy233 says:

    The AIG bonus scandal was written into law. Congress signed it through. It was the public who was angry with it. They back peddled. If they were so interested in not dispersing those funds for unfounded awards, then why did the sign? That’s on congress not AIG. Second, government should not have a say in who is a CEO. That is the board/shareholder place. Not government. This is junior high civics.


  74. PaigeSeattle says:

    more bad news for Republicans/Fox News:

    THE NUMBER OF AMERICANS WHO SAY U.S. IS HEADED IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION HAS TRIPLED SINCE OBAMA BECAME PRESIDENT


    Most Americans Approve Of His Handling Of The Economy and Don’t Blame Him For The Economic Crisis

    March 30, 2009

    The number of Americans who believe that the nation is headed in the right direction has roughly tripled since Barack Obama’s election, and the public overwhelmingly blames the excesses of the financial industry, rather than the new president, for turmoil in the economy.

    President Obama continues to benefit from a broadly held perception that others should bear the bulk of responsibility for the severe economic problems that confront his administration. Only about a quarter blame the President and his team for an economy that’s in the ditch.

    The percentage of Americans who say the country is on the right track is the highest in 5 years and marks a sharp turnabout from last fall, when as many as 9 in 10 said the country was heading in the wrong direction.

    Overall, perceptions about the country parallel a rapid increase in the percentage of Americans who say the economy is improving. For the first time since late 2004, the gap between the numbers saying the economy is getting better and those saying it’s getting worse is in the single digits.

    Two-thirds of Americans approve of the way President Obama is handling the country’s top job, and six in 10 give him good marks on issue #1, the flagging economy. Those figures are little changed from last month.

    Most Americans back President Obama on his approach to the deficit.

    …Overall, about two in three Americans, 64 percent, said they have confidence that President Obama’s economic policies will improve the economy.

    62 percent see President Obama as fiscally responsible.

    he public continues to give President Obama considerable latitude as he attempts to jump-start the economy. … When it comes to assessing responsibility for the nation’s economic plight, 80% said they put a “great deal” or a “good amount” of blame on banks and other financial institutions for taking unnecessary risks. The same percentage of Americans say they blame large corporations for poor management decisions. About 7 in 10 blame consumers for overextending themselves with debt and blame the Bush Administration for not vigorously regulating the financial industry. … Criticism of the banks and large corporations is roughly comparable across the political spectrum.

    Obama maintains a strong hand in his dealings with congressional Republicans. The public prefers his approach to that of the Republicans by more than 2-to-1.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/30/AR2009033003415.html?wprss=rss_politics

    *


  75. KayInMaine says:

    The sad and frustrating part is we could never put Krauthammer’s head on a pike, because it’s a cannonball.


  76. barfly says:

    Second, government should not have a say in who is a CEO. That is the board/shareholder place. Not government. This is junior high civics.

    Baloney.

    They never taught in Civics that CEO’s and their boards have an financially incestuous relationship, in which each sets the compensation levels of the other, ratcheting up their incomes, often while stock prices are falling. Failure should have a price, a lesson which these CEO’s should have to learn. But often the CEOs aren’t hired for their expertise, so much as their willingness to follow the board’s wishes and decisions, making them in effect rubberstamps, and not true corporate leaders. Your simplistic take on the situation reveals you either don’t really understand the corporate world, or you must think we don’t.


  77. CageyCretin says:

    Beefeater Says:
    republicans hate facts Says:
    Care to either CONDEMN the PREVAILING GOP ATTITUDE,

    Hell no! But I don’t claim to be some kind of politically correct “progressive” either.

    That’s funny, because I don’t recall seeing anyone here touting that they were bound by oath to be “politically correct”. Is this a matter of your own perceptions of “progressives” which you are imagining and then applying to everyone you deem “progressive” in order to pidgeon hole them? A sweeping generalization?

    YOU don’t get to define who other people are any more than other people get to define who you are. You can try (just as others can try to define you), but generalizations will not stand (I can ask if you believe in being “PC”, or I can assume one way or the other based on what I happen to know of you — but without specific knowledge, any such assumption is on tenuous grounds).

    Let’s try this: beefeater is a conservative and thus worships Limbaugh as a god, following every word of Limbaugh’s like it were the proclomations of a deity living among us. Beefeater would love to lick Limbaugh’s balls just to show him how much beefeater loves and adores Limbaugh, even though beefeater isn’t gay or anything (wink, wink).

    Too many words? — Beefeater’s a conservative, therefore beefeater: loves Limbaugh, believes everything Limbaugh says, and is a closeted homosexual. maybe that’s not a good example, since that’s all true. :o


  78. CageyCretin says:

    Silvy233 Says:
    The AIG bonus scandal was written into law. Congress signed it through. It was the public who was angry with it. They back peddled. If they were so interested in not dispersing those funds for unfounded awards, then why did the sign? That’s on congress not AIG.

    That’s nice: since congress did it, then it is a done deal and cannot be questioned. That is your first premise. Do you really want to stick with that? It is not a sustainable position. You also imply, however, that AIG is at NO FAULT. You seem to be ignoring the issue that caused congress to have to act in the first place, and what part AIG played in that.

    Second, government should not have a say in who is a CEO. That is the board/shareholder place. Not government.

    Under normal circumstances, you are correct. When a company takes billions and billions of taxpayer money in the form of THE GREATEST WELFARE CHECKS IN THE HISTORY OF CIVILIZATION, to prop themselves up after THEIR OWN GREED AND IRRESPONSIBILITY caused the near total collapse of the American economy (and, consequently, affected the world economy in a negative manner), well, I think that as a price for all those billions and billions of taxpayer funded corporate welfare they may have to do one or two things as they are told.

    Poor people seeking welfare (whether they are cheats or honest) have FAR MORE hoops and regs to go through to get a piddly check than ANY of these corporations had to to get their billions of welfare. Poor folk on welfare also have other limits that they have to abide by (e.g. getting a job — ANY job, even part time at minimum wage — can end their welfare checks or food stamps; food stamps and EBT cards cannot be used to buy just anything at all — there are restrictions).

    As it has stood — the corporations have had to do FAR LESS to get their weldfare than the average poor person who receives welfare, and for the billions that they received, they have far less restrictions than the average poor person who receives government aid.

    But good to know that you value corporate “rights” and “personhood” over that of the citizens of the United States — corporates before “We the People”, eh?

    How patriotic.

    :/


  79. 00mpp00 says:

    Wagoner is the least of our worries. What about the millions of hard-working union members who will be on the streets if Obama has his way?

    http://www.sunstateactivist.org/ssablog/


  80. Eugene atrax robustus Debs says:

    Silvy233 Says:

    You need adult education. If WE are giving them money WE get to say how it is spent. The government didnt say you are fired. They said IF you want this bailout money YOU have to have a different CEO. They were under no obligation to take the money. YOU need to have some dim idea what you are talking about NOTHING in civics class has ANYTHING to do with this situation


  81. CageyCretin says:

    00mpp00 Says:
    Wagoner is the least of our worries.

    Whoever identified Wagner as “a worry”?


  82. KayInMaine says:

    The wingers are worried about the Union workers now as 00mpp00 is? Ha. What a crock of crap being spewed here this morning. If you cared about the Union workers or all hard working Americans, you certainly wouldn’t be a republican. They only care about the CEO’s of these companies and always will no matter what they say.


  83. wags camponotus saundersi says:

    What this is is the President giving in to populist

    Oh, the horror!


  84. PaigeSeattle says:

    .
    in addition to what I posted at 7:04am about the support President Obama and his policies have from the American people (and about how the number of Americans who say the country is headed on the right track has TRIPLED since Obama became President):

    AMERICANS REMAIN BROADLY SUPPORTIVE OF LABOR UNIONS

    Americans remain broadly supportive of labor unions, as they have been over the past 7 decades, including a 59% approval rating for unions in Gallup’s most recent update.

    …Americans have generally held a favorable view of unions for decades — with most Americans saying they approve of labor unions in Gallup polls conducted from 1936 to 2008.

    …In the last 4 years, a higher percentage of Americans have expressed a preference for increased union influence, with less saying it should stay the same. The percentage that favors decreased union influence has stayed relatively flat over the years.

    …Americans have been consistently supportive of labor unions at a very general level for at least the past 7 decades.

    http://www.gallup.com/ poll/ 112717/ Americans-Remain-Broadly-Supportive-Labor-Unions.aspx?version=print


    MAJORITY OF AMERICANS RECEPTIVE TO MAKING UNION ORGANIZING EASIER

    Americans are fundamentally sympathetic to labor unions, and these underlying attitudes are no doubt reflected in their general support for legislation characterized as making it easier for workers to unionize. For example, Gallup’s annual polling on workplace issues, conducted each August, has found consistently high approval of labor unions.

    …The current findings could bode well for the pro-union side of the issue as it ramps up the public-information component of its lobbying efforts, particularly at a time when corporate America has serious image problems. Americans appear to be a sympathetic audience for a basic argument behind the law if it is described simply as making it easier for unions to organize.

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/116863/Majority-Receptive-Law-Making-Union-Organizing-Easier.aspx

    .


    FOX NEWS’ OWN POLL:

    - A solid plurality of Americans lay the blame for the auto company crisis squarely at the feet of management executives.

    Only about 1 in 7 Americans blames labor unions.

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,465544,00.html

    .

    AMERICANS BLAME CAR COMPANY EXECUTIVES FOR U.S. AUTO CRISIS

    Americans place the blame for the current U.S. auto company crisis squarely on the backs of those companies’ executives, with 65% of Americans saying the execs deserve a great deal of blame for the problems of the auto industry — a much higher percentage than those who blame labor unions, the current economic recession, government regulations, or the American consumer.

    …When given a list of explanations or causes for the auto industry’s slump today, Americans are overwhelmingly most likely to blame the auto executives themselves. Almost 2/3 of Americans say the executives should shoulder a great deal of blame, well above those who feel that way about labor unions and those who fault the recession.

    Even fewer Americans assign a great deal of blame to government regulations or American consumers who buy foreign rather than domestic cars. …The average American is strongly likely to believe that auto company executives themselves should shoulder much of the blame when it comes to the current woes of the U.S. automobile industry.

    http://www.gallup.com/ poll/ 112999/ Americans-Blame-Car-Company-Execs-US-Auto-Crisis.aspx

    .

    A key reason those at Fox/Republicans are hostile towards unions and want to see them fail…

    UNION SUPPORT FOR OBAMA GROWS IN KEY STATES

    Democrat Barack Obama is pulling away among members in the swing states of Ohio, Pennsylvania and Michigan. …Obama has a 29-point lead (61%-32%) over his Republican rival, John McCain, in Ohio – a 16 percentage point gain since August. Obama leads among union members in Pennsylvania by 63% to 27%, up 22 points from August, and by 68% to 23% in Michigan, up 26 points since August.

    http://blogs.wsj.com/ washwire/ 2008/ 10/ 28/ afl-cio-poll-union-support-for-obama-grows-in-key-states/ /

    *


  85. PaigeSeattle says:

    here’s the link for that article titled:

    AMERICANS REMAIN BROADLY SUPPORTIVE OF LABOR UNIONS

    http://www.gallup.com/poll/112717/Americans-Remain-Broadly-Supportive-Labor-Unions.aspx
    *


  86. CageyCretin says:

    Krauthammer “an exemplary hanging or two and a guillotine “party”” is displaying the tendency of the rightwing to use violent hyperbole (#1 choice is sexual hyperbole, with violent sexual hyperbole earning bonus wingnut points). Furthermore, he projects this imagery onto the President — note that the president did not use the term “head on a pike”.

    That belongs solely to Krauthammer.

    Daily, the right wing pundits and politicians utilize violent and sexual hyperbole, analogy, and imagery to try to make their points. The question is, why all the sex and violence? Are they going to start using this imagery for ALL their points? Lord, don’t let them near a gradeschool…. (well, I guess with the excessive number of ped o philes in the rightwing I gues that is a a good idea as a general rule…).


  87. PaigeSeattle says:

    for the others:


  88. CageyCretin says:

    wags camponotus saundersi Says:

    Oh, the horror!</em>

    Is that followed by a sickening “popping” sound? (I ask, while stepping back a considerable distance…..)



  89. wags camponotus saundersi says:

    Is that followed by a sickening “popping” sound? (I ask, while stepping back a considerable distance…..)

    Nah, too early still. At least need my coffee first.


  90. CageyCretin says:

    wags camponotus saundersi Says:

    Nah, too early still. At least need my coffee first.

    Whew!

    Good morning.


  91. Steaming Pile says:

    Krauthammer is the reason I don’t subscribe to our daily paper. I always find myself a tiny bit stupider having read his ridiculous column. If President Obama kept Wagoner on, you can be sure he’d be on Fox Noise howling about how the President should have demanded Wagoner’s head on a pike. It’s best to just ignore these people.


  92. CageyCretin says:

    Steaming Pile Says:
    It’s best to just ignore these people.

    Generally it is not in one’s best interest to ignore those with a public platform who are deceitful or dishonest. “evil” thrives on apathy. Ignoring them offers a silent validation (or, rather, the lack of refutation allows such comments to stand unchallenged, which is at the least complicity).


  93. CageyCretin says:

    Hmmmm…. several “dracula” references….. “head on a pike” …. hmmmm……

    OMG!!! He IS Vlad the Impaler!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  94. PaigeSeattle says:

    Beefeater Says:

    How progressive of you to make fun of a paraplegic with some limitations in the use of his arms
    ———————————–

    uh….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpFC9uziVhE&feature=PlayList&p=7D352552FB20AE19&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=49


  95. hellinabucket says:

    Krauthammer is such a tool.


  96. adviceguy_07 says:

    Can someone explain why Obama is letting Timmy go along with this bank bailout plan?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-arbfLTCtI

    Looks like both republicans and democrats are bought and owned by the banks. Now they’re going to own all of you.



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