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	<title>Comments on: Conservatives Falsely Assert That Green Economy Legislation Would Impose $3,100 Tax On Families</title>
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		<title>By: mediaislying</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-5612082</link>
		<dc:creator>mediaislying</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 20:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Reilly admitted he miscalculated the estimate, which ended up at $800 (not $250 that some have reported). If you factor in the higher energy costs placed on these companies, and the fact that they will put this cost back on the consumer, which they would, this would bring the number back up and over $3,100 to around $3,900.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Reilly admitted he miscalculated the estimate, which ended up at $800 (not $250 that some have reported). If you factor in the higher energy costs placed on these companies, and the fact that they will put this cost back on the consumer, which they would, this would bring the number back up and over $3,100 to around $3,900.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5612082', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: dmorella</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-5611907</link>
		<dc:creator>dmorella</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Apr 2009 18:59:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello?  Where is everyone now?  No more fact facing?  Anyone here care to apologize?  Didn&#039;t think so.  Go back and sit in your high priced coffin on wheels (Prius), drink your horrible tasting organic coffee and finish your trip around the world.  You&#039;re halfway there.  The truth is just getting warmed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello?  Where is everyone now?  No more fact facing?  Anyone here care to apologize?  Didn&#8217;t think so.  Go back and sit in your high priced coffin on wheels (Prius), drink your horrible tasting organic coffee and finish your trip around the world.  You&#8217;re halfway there.  The truth is just getting warmed up.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5611907', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: guzide</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-5604112</link>
		<dc:creator>guzide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK Pat obviously senile dementia has set in. Time to see the nice young men that will need to take care of you soon.&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.magicplast.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;burun estetigi&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.hemenarac.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;rent a car&lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kardeslerrentacar.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;arac kiralama&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.magicsacekimi.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sac ekimi&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Pat obviously senile dementia has set in. Time to see the nice young men that will need to take care of you soon.<a href="http://www.magicplast.com" rel="nofollow">burun estetigi</a> <a href="http://www.hemenarac.com" rel="nofollow">rent a car</a> <a href="http://www.kardeslerrentacar.com" rel="nofollow">arac kiralama</a><br />
<a href="http://www.magicsacekimi.com" rel="nofollow">sac ekimi</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5604112', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: urology drckaya</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-5578073</link>
		<dc:creator>urology drckaya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 08:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;use less, earn standard, spend less, this is the solution of the crisis.
www.marmarauroloji.blogspot.com &lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>use less, earn standard, spend less, this is the solution of the crisis.<br />
<a href="http://www.marmarauroloji.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.marmarauroloji.blogspot.com</a> </em><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5578073', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: NOLIESPLEASE</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-2/#comment-5577049</link>
		<dc:creator>NOLIESPLEASE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 18:53:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the GOP problem???? Do they not want to see cheaper energy????? WHO ARE THEY PROTECTING...SAY IT NOW GOP???? 

&lt;strong&gt;WHO ARE YOU PROTECTING????? WHY DO YOU NOT WANT  CHEAPER ENERGY???? ANSWER THAT YOU IDIOT!!!&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What is the GOP problem???? Do they not want to see cheaper energy????? WHO ARE THEY PROTECTING&#8230;SAY IT NOW GOP???? </p>
<p><strong>WHO ARE YOU PROTECTING????? WHY DO YOU NOT WANT  CHEAPER ENERGY???? ANSWER THAT YOU IDIOT!!!</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5577049', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: lvdragonlady</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-5576451</link>
		<dc:creator>lvdragonlady</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 14:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just more lies from the losing fringes of the GOP.
Why this surprises anyone is a mystery.
GOP = LIES and NO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just more lies from the losing fringes of the GOP.<br />
Why this surprises anyone is a mystery.<br />
GOP = LIES and NO<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576451', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bonat</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-5576403</link>
		<dc:creator>bonat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:58:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really pathetic and disturbing that the GOP have to resort to lies to scare the American public and they expect people to trust them?

No wonder why this country is at a major crossroads domestically and globally.  The more Bull Crap the GOP bullies throw outta their mouths the more ridiculous and asinine they look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really pathetic and disturbing that the GOP have to resort to lies to scare the American public and they expect people to trust them?</p>
<p>No wonder why this country is at a major crossroads domestically and globally.  The more Bull Crap the GOP bullies throw outta their mouths the more ridiculous and asinine they look.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576403', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Chicano2nd</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-5576341</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicano2nd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 13:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MARWICK

Pathetic losers don&#039;t address the questions or issues. They just throw out more crap hoping people get intellectually lazy at having to deal the feces they spew from their orifices that mock large loose stools. The Republican base is very predictable, as your are of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MARWICK</p>
<p>Pathetic losers don&#8217;t address the questions or issues. They just throw out more crap hoping people get intellectually lazy at having to deal the feces they spew from their orifices that mock large loose stools. The Republican base is very predictable, as your are of course.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576341', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Angry McAngus</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-5576332</link>
		<dc:creator>Angry McAngus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 12:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Boehner:  &quot;Liar, Liar pants on fire!&quot;

I&#039;m sorry, that&#039;s totally immature of me.

&quot;Whiney ass titty baby!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Boehner:  &#8220;Liar, Liar pants on fire!&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, that&#8217;s totally immature of me.</p>
<p>&#8220;Whiney ass titty baby!&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576332', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: chiroptera toasterhead</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-5576329</link>
		<dc:creator>chiroptera toasterhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 11:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;marwick Says:

Please. Do some research. Try some facts. Real information.

This cap-and-trade crap is … a bunch of crap. I’m all for windmills and solar panels. Build them. But they’re not going to be a significant part of America’s energy future. Instead of “alternative energy,” wind and solar should be called “supplemental energy.” They’ll add a couple of percent on windy and sunny days. Other than that, we’ll be burning coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear power, and hydro-electric power.

April 1st, 2009 at 2:28 am &lt;/em&gt;
____________

True.  The economies of scale for renewables are still small, and an all-eggs-in-one-basket solution is not going to work.  Renewables do have the potential, however, to be more than just &quot;supplemental.&quot;  

Concentrating land-based wind farms in, say, Texas, won&#039;t generate enough power during the low-wind, high-demand periods of the summer, but you get a much better return if you distribute wind farms both onshore and offshore and connect them via an efficient grid.  There&#039;s always wind blowing somewhere - we just need the capacity to capture it.  Global wind resources represent &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ocean.udel.edu/windpower/ResourceMap/index-world.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;72 TW in potential power&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>marwick Says:</p>
<p>Please. Do some research. Try some facts. Real information.</p>
<p>This cap-and-trade crap is … a bunch of crap. I’m all for windmills and solar panels. Build them. But they’re not going to be a significant part of America’s energy future. Instead of “alternative energy,” wind and solar should be called “supplemental energy.” They’ll add a couple of percent on windy and sunny days. Other than that, we’ll be burning coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear power, and hydro-electric power.</p>
<p>April 1st, 2009 at 2:28 am </em><br />
____________</p>
<p>True.  The economies of scale for renewables are still small, and an all-eggs-in-one-basket solution is not going to work.  Renewables do have the potential, however, to be more than just &#8220;supplemental.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Concentrating land-based wind farms in, say, Texas, won&#8217;t generate enough power during the low-wind, high-demand periods of the summer, but you get a much better return if you distribute wind farms both onshore and offshore and connect them via an efficient grid.  There&#8217;s always wind blowing somewhere &#8211; we just need the capacity to capture it.  Global wind resources represent <a href="http://www.ocean.udel.edu/windpower/ResourceMap/index-world.html" rel="nofollow">72 TW in potential power</a>.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576329', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Perry logan</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-5576321</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry logan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 09:52:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Bogus Stats R Us.
&lt;/strong&gt;
What is a right-wing think tank but a group of people paid to cook the stats to make the right look good?

The Heritage Foundation and all the other right-wing think tanks have spent infinite amounts of money to publish infinite reams of pseudo-academic crap--&lt;em&gt;all of it conclusively and irrefutably proving that the right has always been right, is always right, and always will be right about everything&lt;/em&gt;.

And the left is always wrong.  It&#039;s all in the well-cooked stats.

Ain&#039;t science wonderful?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Bogus Stats R Us.<br />
</strong><br />
What is a right-wing think tank but a group of people paid to cook the stats to make the right look good?</p>
<p>The Heritage Foundation and all the other right-wing think tanks have spent infinite amounts of money to publish infinite reams of pseudo-academic crap&#8211;<em>all of it conclusively and irrefutably proving that the right has always been right, is always right, and always will be right about everything</em>.</p>
<p>And the left is always wrong.  It&#8217;s all in the well-cooked stats.</p>
<p>Ain&#8217;t science wonderful?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576321', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: marwick</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-5576259</link>
		<dc:creator>marwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 06:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From &lt;a href=&quot;http://discovermagazine.com/2008/may/02-is-nuclear-energy-our-best-hope&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Discover May 2008&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Wind and solar installations today supply less than 1 percent of electricity in the United States, do so intermittently, and are decades away from providing more than a small boost to the electric grid. “To meet the 2005 U.S. electricity demand of about 4 million megawatt-hours with around-the-clock wind would have required wind farms covering over 780,000 square kilometers,” Ausubel notes. For context, 780,000 square kilometers (301,000 square miles) is greater than the area of Texas. Solar power fares badly too, in Ausubel’s analysis: “The amount of energy generated in [one quart] of the core of a nuclear reactor requires [2.5 acres] of solar cells.” Geothermal power also is decades away from making a significant contribution to America’s electricity budget.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Please.  Do some research.  Try some facts.  Real information.  

This cap-and-trade crap is ... a bunch of crap.  I&#039;m all for windmills and solar panels.  Build them.  But they&#039;re not going to be a significant part of America&#039;s energy future.  Instead of &quot;alternative energy,&quot; wind and solar should be called &quot;supplemental energy.&quot;  They&#039;ll add a couple of percent on windy and sunny days. Other than that, we&#039;ll be burning coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear power, and hydro-electric power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://discovermagazine.com/2008/may/02-is-nuclear-energy-our-best-hope" rel="nofollow">Discover May 2008</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Wind and solar installations today supply less than 1 percent of electricity in the United States, do so intermittently, and are decades away from providing more than a small boost to the electric grid. “To meet the 2005 U.S. electricity demand of about 4 million megawatt-hours with around-the-clock wind would have required wind farms covering over 780,000 square kilometers,” Ausubel notes. For context, 780,000 square kilometers (301,000 square miles) is greater than the area of Texas. Solar power fares badly too, in Ausubel’s analysis: “The amount of energy generated in [one quart] of the core of a nuclear reactor requires [2.5 acres] of solar cells.” Geothermal power also is decades away from making a significant contribution to America’s electricity budget.</p></blockquote>
<p>Please.  Do some research.  Try some facts.  Real information.  </p>
<p>This cap-and-trade crap is &#8230; a bunch of crap.  I&#8217;m all for windmills and solar panels.  Build them.  But they&#8217;re not going to be a significant part of America&#8217;s energy future.  Instead of &#8220;alternative energy,&#8221; wind and solar should be called &#8220;supplemental energy.&#8221;  They&#8217;ll add a couple of percent on windy and sunny days. Other than that, we&#8217;ll be burning coal, oil, natural gas, nuclear power, and hydro-electric power.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576259', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: fire _ant_chavis</title>
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		<dc:creator>fire _ant_chavis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marwick - I&#039;d like to see you back up what you&#039;re spewing with some facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>marwick &#8211; I&#8217;d like to see you back up what you&#8217;re spewing with some facts.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576245', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: wiley</title>
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		<dc:creator>wiley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:49:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The cap-and-trade isn&#039;t a tax on every flip of the light switch to build palaces in Baghdad, it&#039;s part of a concerted effort to evade planetary death. It would cost less than a dime a day. I really do wish these Republicans would STFU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The cap-and-trade isn&#8217;t a tax on every flip of the light switch to build palaces in Baghdad, it&#8217;s part of a concerted effort to evade planetary death. It would cost less than a dime a day. I really do wish these Republicans would STFU.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576242', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pastcaring ceratopogonidae</title>
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		<dc:creator>pastcaring ceratopogonidae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marwick Says:

    “I’m only here to prove that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www2.uni-jena.de/svw/igc/SS_09/workshop%20Jost/Jost%20et%20al_2003.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;conservatism is a mental illness!&lt;/a&gt;“

Well thanks for clearing &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; up for us.</description>
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<p>    “I’m only here to prove that <a href="http://www2.uni-jena.de/svw/igc/SS_09/workshop%20Jost/Jost%20et%20al_2003.pdf" rel="nofollow">conservatism is a mental illness!</a>“</p>
<p>Well thanks for clearing <em>that</em> up for us.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576240', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: The Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>marwick Says:

Another TP lie. Well, pretty much every blog entry is. No surprise.
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How peculiar... marwick claims &quot;pretty much every blog entry&quot; here is a lie...

Yet, his comment has NOTHING TO DO w/ the actual subject of the thread.  

And the &quot;points&quot; he does post in no way rebut the topic of the thread.

Nor does he cite his source for those points, so the rest of us can figure out just what the HELL is this rabid, chattering idiot thinks he&#039;s talking about...

Will the trolls EVER learn that silly performances like this one will NEVER do anything to improve their credibility here?</description>
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<p>Another TP lie. Well, pretty much every blog entry is. No surprise.<br />
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<p>How peculiar&#8230; marwick claims &#8220;pretty much every blog entry&#8221; here is a lie&#8230;</p>
<p>Yet, his comment has NOTHING TO DO w/ the actual subject of the thread.  </p>
<p>And the &#8220;points&#8221; he does post in no way rebut the topic of the thread.</p>
<p>Nor does he cite his source for those points, so the rest of us can figure out just what the HELL is this rabid, chattering idiot thinks he&#8217;s talking about&#8230;</p>
<p>Will the trolls EVER learn that silly performances like this one will NEVER do anything to improve their credibility here?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576225', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MapleStreet</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-5576221</link>
		<dc:creator>MapleStreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 04:23:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once again, the authors who were cited to justify the GOP say, essentially, that the citation completely misrepresents their study.

What does this this say about the academic honesty ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once again, the authors who were cited to justify the GOP say, essentially, that the citation completely misrepresents their study.</p>
<p>What does this this say about the academic honesty ?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576221', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/03/31/3100-lie/comment-page-1/#comment-5576200</link>
		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another dose of talking points from the mind of Glenn Beck? Good luck with that, stupid troll.

On a more serious note, we have wasted 8 precious years doing nothing so, anything is an improvement. We can&#039;t waste any more time. 

As for the troll&#039;s individual droppings:

1. The more we invest now, the lower the costs later. As new technologies are discovered and go into production the costs will drop while profits soar.

2. This bill doesn&#039;t address the issue of imported oil so, the trolls observation is irrelevant. However, everything we do now will prolong our finite supply of oil.

3. Even if there is no immediate positive impact due to reduced emissions, those same new technologies will enable things like pumping water to the billion or so who will have no fresh water once the glaciers disappear. India already has a huge homegrown solar power industry that provides tech jobs for desperate people and green electric light for people who have traditionally just gone to bed when it gets dark rather than pay for candles or lamp fuel.

4. True. Passing a Bill doesn&#039;t make technology and infrastructure magically appear. However, American industry has proven time and again that they refuse to make long term investments without a mandate.  Case in point: If American businesses were committed to long term responsibility? American car makers would be producing, and selling, complete lines of cars that achieve 50+ mpg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another dose of talking points from the mind of Glenn Beck? Good luck with that, stupid troll.</p>
<p>On a more serious note, we have wasted 8 precious years doing nothing so, anything is an improvement. We can&#8217;t waste any more time. </p>
<p>As for the troll&#8217;s individual droppings:</p>
<p>1. The more we invest now, the lower the costs later. As new technologies are discovered and go into production the costs will drop while profits soar.</p>
<p>2. This bill doesn&#8217;t address the issue of imported oil so, the trolls observation is irrelevant. However, everything we do now will prolong our finite supply of oil.</p>
<p>3. Even if there is no immediate positive impact due to reduced emissions, those same new technologies will enable things like pumping water to the billion or so who will have no fresh water once the glaciers disappear. India already has a huge homegrown solar power industry that provides tech jobs for desperate people and green electric light for people who have traditionally just gone to bed when it gets dark rather than pay for candles or lamp fuel.</p>
<p>4. True. Passing a Bill doesn&#8217;t make technology and infrastructure magically appear. However, American industry has proven time and again that they refuse to make long term investments without a mandate.  Case in point: If American businesses were committed to long term responsibility? American car makers would be producing, and selling, complete lines of cars that achieve 50+ mpg.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576200', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: sscncturn64</title>
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		<dc:creator>sscncturn64</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:37:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Marwick your right, Obama wants to double windmills he wants to decrease our reliance on oil,and yes we will still be burning fossil fuels for years to come. Its a start no one said its going to happen over night dipsht. Bush/Cheney didnt care about putting pollutants into our atmosphere. If Iraq wasnt sitting on an ocean of oil then that piece of shit Bush never would have invaded Iraq. Instead of watching fox noise every night try using your pc to get info about how windmills,solar panels and pretty much everything that is green will help boost our economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Marwick your right, Obama wants to double windmills he wants to decrease our reliance on oil,and yes we will still be burning fossil fuels for years to come. Its a start no one said its going to happen over night dipsht. Bush/Cheney didnt care about putting pollutants into our atmosphere. If Iraq wasnt sitting on an ocean of oil then that piece of shit Bush never would have invaded Iraq. Instead of watching fox noise every night try using your pc to get info about how windmills,solar panels and pretty much everything that is green will help boost our economy.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576197', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: christopher wiwi</title>
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		<dc:creator>christopher wiwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 03:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, What`s another 3grand when were already paying over 100grand and counting from the Shrubs crime family,you know that silly little confrontation the Reich wing Nuts started in Iraq and Afghanistan and all of it based on lies, the Noble Lie that is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, What`s another 3grand when were already paying over 100grand and counting from the Shrubs crime family,you know that silly little confrontation the Reich wing Nuts started in Iraq and Afghanistan and all of it based on lies, the Noble Lie that is.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5576196', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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