Goldfarb: ‘PNAC=Mission Accomplished; New mission begins’ with Foreign Policy Initiative.
Goldfarb: ‘PNAC=Mission Accomplished; New mission begins’ with Foreign Policy Initiative.
Last November, Weekly Standard super hawk Bill Kristol hinted that he would be starting up a new “think-tank” modeled after the neoconservative Project for a New American Century (PNAC). PNAC provided much of the ideological framework for the invasion of Iraq and many of its members and sympathizers lobbied heavily for it. Today, Kristol is officially launching PNAC 2.0 — or as it is now called, “The Foreign Policy Initiative” (started with fellow neocons Robert Kagan and Dan Senor) with an event in Washington D.C. on the future of the Afghanistan war. The Wonk Room’s Matt Duss recently observed of FPI:
What do you do if your previous organization — and the ideology behind it — has become inextricably bound in the public’s imagination to one of the worst foreign policy blunders in American history? Obviously, shut it down, and start a new organization with a new name.
However, Michael Goldfarb — Project for a New American Century alum, former McCain campaign spokesman and current Weekly Standard editor — sees it differently. Writing on Twitter yesterday, Goldfard claimed: “PNAC=Mission Accomplished; New mission begins tomorrow morning with the launch of FPI.”
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What Michael Goldfarb doesn’t know is what makes him Michael Goldfarb. We haven’t seen someone fail upward quite like this since W. entered the White House.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/
March 31st, 2009 at 9:55 amIt was mission accomplished for PNAC, they wanted the US military bogged down in the middle east, and they succeeded in getting that done.
March 31st, 2009 at 9:57 amWatch the BBC documentary “The War Party” – Iraq War for Israel
The War Party, Part 1 of 5
Listen to Philip Weiss discuss the War for Israel agenda:
antiwar.com/radio/2008/07/12/philip-weiss/
antiwar.com/radio/2009/03/18/philip-weiss-2/
philipweiss.org – blogging daily everything Neocon, Israel Lobby, Zionism
March 31st, 2009 at 10:02 amExcept this time their boys are no longer in power.
F!@# PNAC. Chickenhawk coward warmongering un-American scum.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:03 amMission accomplished? Whatever drugs these people are doing, they aren’t sharing.
For which the rest of America can be profoundly thankful.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:03 amI swear the philosophical descendants of Leo Strauss are awful…fascist like.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:03 amThese guys are like cockroaches – you never quite eliminate them.
Abysmal failures in practice, but they continue to regurgitate the same ideas under a different name. Maybe we need to bring back DDT just for these cockroaches who are determined to destroy America for everyone except themselves.
Keep in mind that Dan Senor is married to Campbell Brown of CNN.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:05 amThis is obviously just a rebranding of the same tired (and failed) neocon agenda.
As far as Goldfarb claiming “mission accomplished”, that’s basically the same as declaring victory and retreating before you get pulverized.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:05 amChanging their name should work as well for PNAC as it will for AIG. Same shit, different name.
PEACE
March 31st, 2009 at 10:08 amThey had better get their shit in gear because it seems like war with Iran is becoming less and less viable by the day. President Obama has offered a diplomatic olive branch to the people of Iran. New reports show that they have NOT restarted their nuclear weapons program and Iran just announced that they will aid Afghanistan in fighting the rampant drug trade over there. Who will be the FPI’s first boogeyman that we should all fear? Will Bloody Billy Krystal be the FPI’s spokesman? Will Dick Cheney be first in line to sign up and receive his official 2009 neocon decoder ring? Stay tuned…
March 31st, 2009 at 10:09 am#
misscoleopteramolly Says:
As far as Goldfarb claiming “mission accomplished”, that’s basically the same as declaring victory and retreating before you get pulverized
A tradition that, sadly, is as American as apple pie.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:12 amI’m still waiting for Goldfarb to tell us who Number 2 is.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:13 amSo who will be PNAC…ahem…I mean FPI’s security force? Blackwater…ahem…I mean XE? And what kind of fancy new brand name is the GOP working on?
March 31st, 2009 at 10:13 amI still think we should enlist all the PNAC guys give a few hours to get used to using an automatic assault rifle, load them up with canned beans and let them sort out Iraq. After all they know what they are doing right?
March 31st, 2009 at 10:14 amtpafla…I see yet another banhammering in your near future. Ha Ha Ha.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:19 amtpafla: says
I guess you missed Iran’s response to Obama’s little Youtube video. It went something like this -after the Ayatolla spoke-the people all chanted – “Death to America”. Now that is progress. Ha Ha Ha
It takes a while to clean up your mess, if you don’t believe it ask your mommy…
March 31st, 2009 at 10:21 amSo in order to agree with someone on a topic you have to agree with them on every topic? That makes perfect sense.
Link?
March 31st, 2009 at 10:23 amI would like to dedicate this original song to the insane, wacko’s from the radical reichwing extremist party.
You’re Insane-Tantrum
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-u1CS5ruyRQ
March 31st, 2009 at 10:26 amFrom the point of view of PNAC, Iraq war was a ‘Mission Accomplished’.
Toppling the regime of Saddam was the goal of the authors of the first PNAC manefisto..[ A Clean Break- Anew Strategy in securing the Realm].
The manisfesto was prepared in 1996 for the Israeli government of Bibi Natanyahu then calling for invasion of Iraq.
Now Natanyahu is back with more radical Israeli leaders to govern. So another manifesto is needed by these groups to attack another Middle Eastern country.
Natanyahu knows whether Republicans or Democrats in the Congress they will go with what Israel wants.
Whether they are called NeoCons, or NeoLibs makes no difference to him in achieving the goals of radical Zionist’s dreams.
Who will be paying for all these Zionists dreams,in blood and money..?
Americans, of course.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:29 amI think this one should be called “stink tank” or “sink tank.”
March 31st, 2009 at 10:31 amA Patriotic Anopheles Acting Says:
March 31st, 2009 at 10:32 amAnd what kind of fancy new brand name is the GOP working on?
March 31st, 2009 at 10:13 am
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Well lets see, the GOP is pretty much dead right now but if they can obstruct enough and and sway enough people to their side with a barrage of smear, fear and lies by the mid-term elections in 2010 they might begin calling themselves the POJ as in the Party Of Jesus, where both came back from the dead. I’m sure the so called Christians in their party would just love that name.
tpafla Says:
Now that is progress. Ha Ha Ha.
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I’m guessing tpalfa is yet ANOTHER balding, chubby, strangely sexless middle-aged white male desperately clinging to his weapons as surrogate symbols of his long-vanished manhood.
Just a hunch…
March 31st, 2009 at 10:34 amI’m just wondering…If the economy begins to show a recovery before the 2010 or 2012 elections how long will it be before our country is hit with another terrorist attack? I bet the members of PNAC know.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:35 amtpafla aka loyal neocon brownshirt:
March 31st, 2009 at 10:36 amWho do you think goes to watch the Ayatolla speak? The same type of fanatical religious warmongers who go to see George W. Shithead speak. The same type of people that go to a Sarah Palin stir-up-the-hate rally. You know, people like yourself, only brown. No surprise that they zealously and blindly accept the rhetoric that their leader foments, much like Bush and his dead-ender 23%ers or fools who fall for the FPI nee PNAC’s special brand of bullshit. An Iraqi citizen watching neocon zealots in America foaming at the mouth and screaming anti-Iranian bullshit (Cheney, Bolton, Krystal etal)may also assume that this is how all Americans feel but I’m sure you are smart enough to see that this is not the case and a video of an angry crowd on youtube is surely not representative of an entire nation. Or you can listen to FPI, pee your pants and bury your head in the sand praying to the neocon God of War to make the horrible brown people go away.
Uncle Fester Lurks Says:
… how long will it be before our country is hit with another terrorist attack?
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Wha? They’re bringing back the 1/2 Hr News hr?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOES!!!!
March 31st, 2009 at 10:37 amToxic policies repackaged are still toxic policies. PNAC wanted the following countries:
Iraq (invaded)
Iran
Libya (turned by dollars from American branded business)
North Korea
Syria
FPI is made up of the same violent, heavy handed, corporatists.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:41 amThe neocons wrote in PNAC that what was needed was a new Pearl Harbor incident, I bet they won’t write in the FPI, what is needed is a new 9/11 type incident to apply and reach our agenda.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:44 amtpafla Says:
I guess you missed Iran’s response to Obama’s little Youtube video. It went something like this -after the Ayatolla spoke-the people all chanted – “Death to America”. Now that is progress. Ha Ha Ha.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:14 am
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How do you know? Do you speak Persian?
March 31st, 2009 at 10:44 amtpafla Says:
Why all of a sudden you progressives stopped calling him “General Betrayus”?
March 31st, 2009 at 10:42 am
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I still call him “General Betrayus.” Happy now?
March 31st, 2009 at 10:46 amUnfortunately for tpafla, the neocon God of War aka Dick Cheney may be looking at some tough times ahead what with admitting to approving an organized torture campaign and a confirmed political assasination squad. If a foreign country doesn’t nail him for his war crimes, we very may will. I know you find the idea laughable but denial of facts is what you guys are best at. I would also add for tpafla’s consideration that President Obama now holds the reins. The members of FPI have a distictly anti-American agenda. Maybe he will have the FBI keep tabs on these traitors. Turn about’s fair play right t?
March 31st, 2009 at 10:46 amI never called him that. You are probably better off not generalizing, and should realize that people can be right about some things and wrong about others.
Still waiting on that link.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:46 amtpafla, we stopped when you stopped beating your wife.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:47 amPNAC included a new Pearl Harbor incident I wonder if FPI includes a new 9/11 type incident to accelerate their agenda?
March 31st, 2009 at 10:47 amFor the first time in the history of this country, we may have a former President and Vice President who can’t leave the country. Say’s a lot for the bush crime family.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:49 amPNAC Mission Accomplished = 9/11
March 31st, 2009 at 10:50 amfor the record, I think Petraeus is an idiot, and for that matter, so are you tpafla.
March 31st, 2009 at 10:50 amchiroptera toasterhead Says:
How do you know? Do you speak Persian?
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I do, really I do and I remember those Iranians were clearly chanting “tpafla is dumb”
tpafla Says:
Acid,
There was never a first.
Wags,
Why all of a sudden you progressives stopped calling him “General Betrayus”?
Do you really think you’re so clever that we can’t tell you’re yet another member of the Trajan / J$ / Rebecca Lobo / Archie B / et al 101st sockpuppet infantry?
The patterns of your statements betray you. You couldn’t have been more obvious if you started spamming “GEORGE SOROS GEORGE SOROS KEITH OLBERFOOL”
You’re not clever, son.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:00 am@41
Flagged for being wildly off topic.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:00 am@43
Flagged again for being wildly off topic, and being a sockpuppet troll who has been banned many, many times already.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:01 amYou ARE wildly off topic. What does some joker at a rally have to do with the PNAC?
March 31st, 2009 at 11:05 amYou just gave it away @ 47. Hi Trajan.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:05 amtpafla, of course you don’t know what Acid is talking about, you have to be able to read to understand what people post.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:06 amIt’s so juvenille and non-productive
Kind of like attempting to derail a thread, right?
March 31st, 2009 at 11:07 amThey’ve told you this?
Still waiting on that link, or anything related to the topic really.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:09 amtpafla Says:
Why all of a sudden you progressives stopped calling him “General Betrayus”?
tpafla, the more prescient question would be, why would goldfarb make up an outright lie about Petraeus NOW? also, when did you find time out from being an idiot to learn Parsi?
March 31st, 2009 at 11:12 amMission Accomplished
Just like a banner on an aircraft carrier/.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:13 amAcid the brown reduviidae Says:
Do you really think you’re so clever that we can’t tell you’re yet another member of the Trajan / J$ / Rebecca Lobo / Archie B / et al 101st sockpuppet infantry?
aaaaarrrgghhhhh!! Attatched to the the 101st? “Legs on a rope”? Now these trolls make some sense ….. (sorry, old enmities constructed with no purpose or merit and taught as policy in military training die hard….)
March 31st, 2009 at 11:13 amtpafla: If you’re talking about Spain. It would probably help if the guy that wants to arrest Americans for writing opinions regarding torture was not a convicted criminal that spent 8 years in a Spanish prison for convorting with terrorists.
Do you think?
I don’t know. How do you convort with anything?
March 31st, 2009 at 11:14 amCageyCretin Says:
My bad Cagey, I never meant to suggest that any of our trolls actually have military service on their records. They’re not so much an infantry unit as they are an unorganized barbarian horde wielding polished turds and rubber chickens.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:15 amtpafla says: “It would probably help if the guy that wants to arrest Americans for writing opinions regarding torture was not a convicted criminal that spent 8 years in a Spanish prison for convorting with terrorists.
Do YOU mean counter terrorism judge Baltazar Garzon? Care to offer a link showing his conviction and imprisonment because I can’t find one. Bush’s merry men should be more than a bit concerned that Garzon has them in his sites. This man is no joke and is widely respected and feared internationally.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:18 amtpafla Says:
I’ve never been banned. The moderators at TP find me refreshing and not at all rude. Never do I say–”stupid troll” “stupid troll”, “idiot”, “STFU”. Never.
Well, what the moderators have told you is unverifiable, and thus it is not acceptable evidence of anything, least of all the claim itself.
The absolute of “Never” may come back to haunt you, but what is done is done.
Why is it that posters on TP get so angry when someone has different opinion? Is this the way you live your lives? Yelling and calling names when someone doesn’t agree with you?
It’s so juvenille and non-productive.
Let me just highlight a couple points from the above, mature post:
calling names when someone doesn’t agree with you?
It’s so juvenille
Perhaps a more mature response might be such as:
Calling names serves no purpose to advance an argument, and makes no points. Usually name calling (to include comments like “juvenille”) is used to denigrate the target, and, hopefully, the target’s comments by assosciation. This is the essence (and definition) of ad hominem attacks.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:22 amtpafla Says:
Republic,
You couldn’t be more wrong. But I bet I have you pegged.
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You couldn’t be more wrong, and I couldn’t be more right…
March 31st, 2009 at 11:24 amtpafla Says:
This site is like the far-right sites that like to only talk to people that have the exact same opinion on an issue.
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That’s not true. You only com here to incite a bad reaction. You go out of your way to do it, then whine when you get the reaction you want. You’re a hypocrite and a phony.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:25 amAcid the brown reduviidae Says:
CageyCretin Says:
My bad Cagey, I never meant to suggest that any of our trolls actually have military service on their records. They’re not so much an infantry unit as they are an unorganized barbarian horde wielding polished turds and rubber chickens.
Oh… right…. I was kind of picturing them as a congenitally moronic mercenary unit attatched to the 101st (… figures…. (heh)…). No, really, I’m cool with the 101st… kinda…. ;/
March 31st, 2009 at 11:26 amAnd statements like this aren’t juvenile? Spare us your feigned indignation.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:28 amuhoh, someone better call the off-topic thread derailer a waaaambulance. It can’t support it’s position so has resorted to attacking the messenger and playing the victim. Straight out of the rightie rulebook. Hey tpafla, about that link to Spain’s judge being imprissoned for eight years..I’m still wating for a link to back it up. Otherwise I’ll just assume it was more bullshit.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:29 amtpafla Says:
As for Kristol starting a new PNAC. That’s not news, happens all the time especially when the first one failed.
So… how many “PNACs” have there been in history that have failed and changed names?
And what is the point of changing the name when the membership and ideology is precisely identical?
PNAC = FPI
March 31st, 2009 at 11:31 amBalckwater = XE
et. al.
CageyCretin Says:
“And what is the point of changing the name when the membership and ideology is precisely identical?”
Well since they obviously don’t spend any time working on new ideas, changing names every now and again gives tham a chance to kill time in their cubicles working on cool logo designs.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:33 amSo, has thei FPI got a website up yet? Or will they be even more secretive than PNAC? (Although PNAC did have a website, for a few years at least… at some point I couldn’t get to the site any longer).
March 31st, 2009 at 11:34 amA Patriotic Anopheles Acting Says:
Well since they obviously don’t spend any time working on new ideas, changing names every now and again gives tham a chance to kill time in their cubicles working on cool logo designs.
Ummm… considering the crowd of known people in PNAC and all, I am not sure that “cool logos” would be accurate — the images of what those people would brainstorm as logos is quite horriffic (and most of them would probably be illegal… you know… lots of variations on child p orn themes and all…).
March 31st, 2009 at 11:37 amdoes this mean we get a New Pearl Harbor 2.0, as well?
this is insanity, by the way.
these men should all be in jail.
and if you think PNAC failed, you’re a gullible, naive, fool. PNAC got everything it wanted plus the B side. a preemptive strike doctrine, the spread of “global deomcracy” (read: imperialism), increased military spending, and multiple military bases/attack vectors to other oil bearing nations.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:39 amwags camponotus saundersi Says:
It’s like a venting site for people that can’t act like this in real life so they do it here without having to actually confront someone that might not agree with them.
And statements like this aren’t juvenile? Spare us your feigned indignation.
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Especially in light of the fact that tpafla has NEVER ONCE asked a SERIOUS question or made a real statement of position. The twit just goes out of its way to be deliberately inflammatory and then pretends to be the victim.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:40 amtpafla Says:
I’ve noticed you are nothing but an ignorant brainwashed punk troll. So today you try the LOOK OVER THERE tactic. Lets talk about anything OTHER than the topic. Bottom of the barrel even for trolls as stupid as you. Just admit ya got nothin, are too stupid to actually discuss anything and that Rush hasnt told you what to THINK about this topic yet.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:46 amcagey: http://www.foreignpolicyi.org
from their front page:
and:
these people are insane.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:46 amtpafla Says:
What I am finding on this site is the people here love to call names and critizize.
You are correct. So? If you can’t take it, go away.
This site is like the far-right sites that like to only talk to people that have the exact same opinion on an issue.
You are incorrect. We like to debate. But facts and a willingness to present them are required for debate. You and similar trolls do not offer that.
It’s like a venting site for people that can’t act like this in real life so they do it here without having to actually confront someone that might not agree with them.
You are partially correct. This site does serve as a place to vent. So? You are also incorrect in that we do confront those who do not agree with us. Isn’t that your complaint?
Why do you bother to post at TP?
March 31st, 2009 at 11:47 am.
“A catalyzing event, a new Pearl Harbor“…
… Mission accomplished!
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March 31st, 2009 at 11:48 amtpafla Says: 29
Petreas has WHAT to do with the topic? Oh thats right NOTHING you are just an ignorant troll doing what ignorant brainwashed trolls do. Try to derail the thread. You know higher lifeforms actually capable of higher brain function could be using that oxygen you are wasting
March 31st, 2009 at 11:49 am#62 tpafla Says:
… Will resist all attempts to CRITICISE!
March 31st, 2009 at 11:50 amtpafla Says:
I think I have YOU pegged. You are an ignorant brainwashed troll. Studying by means of your AM radio majoring in stupid
March 31st, 2009 at 11:51 amtpafla Says:
tweedster,
Does it make you feel like a big man/woman to call names?
No. But I don’t hesitate to call someone who consistently acts like an idiot (you know, by making up stuff about the Spanish counter-terrorism judge, for example)an idiot. I don’t care whether or not you are going to scold me for calling you out. You are sooo noble up there in your ivory tower of idiocy…puhleeeeeeease…
March 31st, 2009 at 11:52 amtpafla Says:
Did you ask someone how OLD they are?The real questions are how STUPID are you, how long did it take you to GET so stupid and how much work was it and how long will you vex us with your stupidity?
March 31st, 2009 at 11:53 amtpafla Says:
What I have seen is YOU are a troll. You came in and immediatly tried to derail the thread and change the subject to what YOU wanted to talk about in true troll fashion. You dont want to talk to us you want to talk AT us. You DESERVE to be called names. Dont pretend you are so innocent after the constant lying and moronic trolling you do on this site. Your stupidity is a stench in the air.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:57 amtpafla Says:
What I am finding on this site is the people here love to call names and critizize. This site is like the far-right sites that like to only talk to people that have the exact same opinion on an issue. It’s like a venting site for people that can’t act like this in real life so they do it here without having to actually confront someone that might not agree with them.
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we surround you.
we command your actions.
stay here.
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learn to spell.
it’s “criticize”.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:58 amEugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
You dont want to talk to us you want to talk AT us.
This is precisely what I decided a couple of weeks ago was the primary characteristic of a troll. And tpafla fits it. In fact, I think it was in response to this tpafla that I thought of the characteristic.
March 31st, 2009 at 12:04 pmPatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa Says:
I completely agree. It is astonishing that flaggy expects a cookie for acting this way
March 31st, 2009 at 12:06 pmBingo. I’ve even tried engaging them, I really have. Backup, despite his rhetorical contortionism, at least seems to be interested in discussion. Not so for these others.
March 31st, 2009 at 12:06 pmtpafla Says:
Never do I say–”stupid troll” “stupid troll”, “idiot”, “STFU”. Never.
March 31st, 2009 at 11:07 am
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Never, eh? Cause it looks to me like you just said ”stupid troll” “stupid troll”, “idiot”, “STFU”. That’s not never, moron.
March 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pmI’ll try again…
Goldfarb is a self-important, unintelligent slick frat-boy, who is a perfect representative for the Republican party.
What is going on with this board? So much interference, it makes one think that the board is being hacked by the Israelis, perhaps on behalf of their half-wit mouthpiece?!
March 31st, 2009 at 12:37 pmhuh?
March 31st, 2009 at 12:51 pmThese guys are all just the “auxiliary sales force” of the defense industry.
Salesmen. Nothing more.
March 31st, 2009 at 12:56 pm…and is Goldfarb cultivating that “Sylar from Heroes” look on purpose? Creepy dude, that one.
March 31st, 2009 at 1:04 pmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaphone_desktop_tool
March 31st, 2009 at 1:16 pmpnac
MAAFU=mission accomplished all f9cked up.
March 31st, 2009 at 3:45 pmThe big lie worked for quite a while. Some people still believe it.
March 31st, 2009 at 4:00 pm