Jindal Doubles Down On Neo-Hooverism, Will Reject Low-Income Health Coverage In Stimulus Package
Jindal Doubles Down On Neo-Hooverism, Will Reject Low-Income Health Coverage In Stimulus Package
Last month, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal (R) — rumored to be mulling a 2012 presidential bid — rejected $90 million in federal stimulus dollars that would have expanded the state’s unemployment insurance compensation program.
Yesterday, Jindal announced his next assault on the poor: rejecting the stimulus’s health care funding. Jindal, widely recognized for his health policy acumen, “plans to reject some federal health-care dollars for the poor and uninsured.” Louisiana’s Health and Hospitals Secretary Alan Levine “said accepting the new federal financing would require the state to put up matching money that it doesn’t have”:
At issue are two Medicaid programs financed with a mix of state and federal dollars: the Transitional Medical Assistance (TMA) program, which provides health coverage for people who are leaving welfare for work; and the “disproportionate share” program, which reimburses health-care providers for treating the uninsured. [...]
Levine said the state plans to turn away about $9.5 million in federal money for the transitional program. Drawing down that money would have required $2.25 million in state cash, which Levine said the state can’t afford when it’s asking hospitals, nursing homes and other health-care providers to accept reimbursement cuts.
TMA allows low-income families who have lost jobs and thus have become eligible for Medicaid to maintain access to health care when they regain employment or increase their hours. The stimulus package extended the TMA program’s funding through December 2010. The disproportionate-share program aids hospitals that serve a disproportionate share of the poor and uninsured. The additional funding in the stimulus package would “benefit safety net hospitals that are facing challenges tied to the growing number of uninsured people.”
Jindal’s politically-motivated decision is extremely short-sighted, particularly while his state is facing a rising unemployment rate. As the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities observed, during the recession, lower-income families are vulnerable to a lack of coverage, potentially leading to absenteeism and job loss:
These changes [from the stimulus] make it more likely that low-income families — some of whom have recently become eligible for Medicaid because of recession-related job losses — can maintain access to needed medical services when the parents in these families eventually find new jobs, increase their work hours, or switch to higher-paying employment. These changes also allow states to greatly reduce the administrative burdens associated with providing TMA coverage.
In rejecting the federal government’s assistance for Louisiana’s health care woes, Jindal appears to be trying to keep up with South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford (R), another presidential contender. Earlier this week, Sanford proposed cutting “$103 million from state health-care programs.”
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go figure, bobby swindal talking out both sides of his piehole. you know he’ll take all the money offerred. scumbag
April 1st, 2009 at 3:41 pmAnd after the next Hurricane Jindal will reject all aid.
April 1st, 2009 at 3:43 pmBrilliant. One proposes innane drivel, the other one doubles down with insane idiocy. Which one will come out with the sacred Republicant mantra of “Tax Cuts!”? That’s Way overdue. As Ron White so aptly put it, You Can’t Fix Stupid!
April 1st, 2009 at 3:44 pmNot helping the unemployed and the sick, I think I got that right. He’s an asshat.
April 1st, 2009 at 3:45 pmI thought these governors weren’t going to be permitted to pick and select what monies they wanted like a chinese menu?
I thought it was ALL or NONE? Anyone know?
April 1st, 2009 at 3:46 pmIn future news cycle a headline might be: Jindal refuses funds for highway repairs.
Bobby says potholes are good for the economy as it keeps tire and automotive shops in business and collapsing bridges feed the alligators and keeps rescue workers employed. He also refuses to monitor hurricanes since the state doesnt have the money to repair the city anyway.
April 1st, 2009 at 3:47 pmAnd exactly how does the status of health in Louisiana compare to other states ?
I think I have it figured out, though. The poor have been doing without, so they won’t miss money if it isn’t given to them. If the poor get money and healthcare, they’ll notice it when they don’t have it anymore.
Meanwhile the rich are used to having money and healthcare and will miss it if deprived of it. So they are really the ones in danger.
April 1st, 2009 at 3:48 pmJindal and Sanford
The GOP’s new reality show :
Ten Easy Steps Towards Political Obvlivion
April 1st, 2009 at 3:49 pm2. Xisistrhus Hemiptera, you’ve already missed it. Jindal has decried the waste of emergeney monitors and warning systems.
April 1st, 2009 at 3:50 pm*Oblivion*
April 1st, 2009 at 3:50 pmHE DOESN’T NEED THE CASH…..HE’S JUST GOING TO EXORCISE THE POSSESSED POOR FROM THE STATE.
April 1st, 2009 at 3:51 pmNo Mt. Redoubt about that
April 1st, 2009 at 3:51 pmSo if we combine Jindal’s and Sanford’s idiocy, it is child abuse to run a deficit (which I guess makes Sanford a child abuser since his state already has one thanks to his irresponsible tax policiy) so we should stop the abuse by refusing to fund low income health care thus ensuring that many of those poor kids will die before they can be forced to pay off the national debt that Republicans sort of didn’t notice while Bush was almost doubling it.
April 1st, 2009 at 3:53 pmWHAT A F***EN IDIOT. Coming from the parents of immagrints…how quick he is to forget his roots…coming from the slums of India. Ask you father how it felt not to have health care, education, no food etc.
PIGS GET FAT AND HOGS GET SLAUGHTERED!!!!
April 1st, 2009 at 3:53 pmI’d love to see Sanford and Jindal try this in France or England. What is wrong with Americans?
April 1st, 2009 at 3:54 pmIf Jindal could see Russian from NOLA he would want warning and missile defense systems…
April 1st, 2009 at 3:54 pmAmericans can do anything!!!
April 1st, 2009 at 3:54 pm…
so between sanford, jindal
and palin the governor who
does the lousiest job of serving
their constituency gets the gop
nomination for president in 2012,
is that it?
:0
April 1st, 2009 at 3:55 pmGovernor recalls may be in order.
April 1st, 2009 at 3:59 pmI guess he’s hoping to strangle Louisiana into such abject poverty that he can bring back some of those outsourced call-centers from Bangalore.
Then we can just call New Orleans “New Calcutta”, and Louisiana license plates can be changed from “Sportsman’s Paradise” to “Sweatshops R Us”.
That’s the way Righties have always wanted the country to be, but they didn’t have the stones to do it themselves (they’d lose their racist base voters), so they had to outsource the job to a non-anglo subcontractor.
April 1st, 2009 at 3:59 pmJindal says that he rejects the stimulus, because of the strings that are attached. If the administration wants governors to accept the money, why not cut the strings?
April 1st, 2009 at 4:00 pmstateofthedivision Says:
Governor recalls may be in order.
…
“idiot recall” may be a more accurate
description for what is needed.
“”"
April 1st, 2009 at 4:01 pmAs long as ol’ Bobby has good health coverage, who cares?! Not Bobby. Ralph Waldo Emerson said, “A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds.”
April 1st, 2009 at 4:02 pmDon’t you just love ideologues who can’t tell the difference between emergency spending and that hole in their butt?
April 1st, 2009 at 4:04 pmnote to bobby swindal from the rest of america:
April 1st, 2009 at 4:05 pmso don’t take the money, not one red cent.
backup Says:
Jindal says that he rejects the stimulus, because of the strings that are attached. If the administration wants governors to accept the money, why not cut the strings?
…
if they did that, backup, the governors might spend
it on wax lips and penny whistles instead of the much
needed purpose to which it was intended. wouldn’t want
that now would we?
:::
oh i get it, that was another one
of your april fools pranks. ha, ha.
:)
April 1st, 2009 at 4:06 pmProof that Mark Sanford doesn’t have a monopoly on stupid.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:06 pm…
backup,
are you going keep this up
all day?
:\
April 1st, 2009 at 4:07 pmWhen you accept money from the administration, you compromise your position:
http://www.nydailynews.com/money/2009/03/29/2009-03-29_president_obama_forces_gm_boss_rick_wago.html
It’s reasonable for people to pass on the funding, if they see the compromises that come with the funds, as too great.
If the administration really wants Jindal to take the money, don’t blame Jindal. Remove the stipulations.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:10 pmIf this is the strategy the GOP will employ for the 2012 POTUS contest – they are TOAST! Absolutely toast.
Your modern GOP: Millions for millionaires, nothing for those who have nothing. Now that’s fair and balanced!
April 1st, 2009 at 4:13 pmRidiculoulsy sublime subprime slime. In curried creole sauce.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:14 pmbacked up is being as dense as usual
shorter Jindal: give me the money without strings so i can give that money to my contributors and not use it for stimulus
April 1st, 2009 at 4:14 pmGuess he’s trying to “out-cruel” Sanford on this stimulus.
The cruelest GOP governor will win the nomination in 2012,
and then lose in a landslide to Obama.
It’s a pity as the people of Louisiana and South Carolina are going to suffer more than other states because of their stupid governors, but then, they elected them in the first place.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:16 pmThe pity is that even the people that voted against those rushpublican governors will suffer for the choices of their lesser informed neighbors
April 1st, 2009 at 4:17 pmbakcup
If the administration really wants Jindal to take the money, don’t blame Jindal. Remove the stipulations.
Hahaha, good one backup!
April 1st, 2009 at 4:17 pmI never knew a politician could literally have a one-way conversation on a Sesame Street play phone in front of reporters and call it “policy”.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:18 pmbackup Says:
When you accept money from the administration, you compromise your position:
http://www.nydailynews.com/ money/ 2009/ 03/ 29/ 2009-03-29_president_obama_forces_gm_boss_rick_wago.html
It’s reasonable for people to pass on the funding, if they see the compromises that come with the funds, as too great.
If the administration really wants Jindal to take the money, don’t blame Jindal. Remove the stipulations.
:::
ah yes, sourcing rupert murdoch’s daily news.
that was the tip off that it’s another one of backup’s
april fools jokes. ha, ha.
:)
:)
April 1st, 2009 at 4:18 pmThat ridiculous,strutting little man needs to STFU.
I have friends in LA, and this wingnut idiot’s posturing and primping is just going to make their lives MUCH harder.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:19 pmJoe – Yes – backup, aka “quicksandtarpit” will keep this up all day, until every question is beggared into the ground.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:21 pm:::
backup,
a) palin
b) sandford
c) jindal
d) joe, the plumber (he didn’t turn the $$$ down)
_-_
which idiot gets your vote in 2012?
***
take your time.
think about it.
:)
April 1st, 2009 at 4:22 pmWhat you call dense, Tommy, I call concerned.
Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:24 pmhe doesnt care, so he is being as concerned as usual- IOW: not at all
he is dense as well
no clue, just a repeater for talking points
April 1st, 2009 at 4:29 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
RantingTommy Says:
backed up is being as dense as usual
What you call dense, Tommy, I call concerned.
Po-TAY-to, po-TAH-to.
***
not to mention how many angels
can dance on the head of a pin.
wait, let me source that with a backup
rupert murdock/daily news link.
***
April 1st, 2009 at 4:29 pmbackup:
If you don’t attach strings to it, there’s no guarantee it’ll actually be stimulus. The Federal Government doesn’t want states to just take money so they have money, they want them to take the money and spend it creating jobs. Sanford wants to pay down the debt, which he created, and which will create exactly 0 jobs. I’m assuming Jindal wants to open an exorcism and public speaking academy which may create a few jobs but is hardly what the government had in mind with this money. Yeesh, are you stupid or just drunk?
April 1st, 2009 at 4:29 pm…
let’s do a countdown to
backup playing his “concern
troll” victim card…
10, 9, 8, 7, 6…
:\
April 1st, 2009 at 4:31 pmWhat stipulations? Everything that produces a burden on the state can be sunset once the money runs out.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:44 pmbackup Says:
If the administration really wants Jindal to take the money, don’t blame Jindal. Remove the stipulations.
Congress wrote those stipulations in, not Obama.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:45 pmAre you realy that dense and obtuse?
Yesterday, Jindal announced his next assault on the poor: rejecting the stimulus’s health care funding. Jindal, widely recognized for his health policy acumen, “plans to reject some federal health-care dollars for the poor and uninsured.”
Governor Jindal explained, “They had better die and decrease the surplus population. Good night, gentlemen.”
April 1st, 2009 at 4:47 pmCongress wrote those stipulations in, not Obama.
Are you realy that dense and obtuse?
That would explain the misshapen head.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:52 pmCorrection:
When you accept money for the american taxpayer you compromise your position.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:52 pmWell, I guess the positions on this are probably dependent on who’s in the best position to understand the needs of an individual state or corporation.
We seem to be moving towards a centralized federal government that is making more and more decisions for individual states and for individual companies (and maybe, for individuals in general).
If you feel that political leaders in Washington can better determine the needs of the people of each individual state, Jindal’s arguments are not persuasive. If you feel that those same political leaders are additionally well equipped to determine how to run a large automobile company, the administration becoming involved with staffing decisions at GM, would probably make sense.
If, on the other hand, you feel that decentralized decision making is more effective (because, arguably, those leaders are closer and more familiar with a particular situation), you probably believe that governors (that were elected by and answer to, the people of their respective states) can make more appropriate decisions for their states. States that have widely differing situations.
The Obama administration is good, but are they that good?
How much of this country’s decision making, can they adequately do?
April 1st, 2009 at 4:54 pmGood luck with that re-election campaign Bobby. This idiot couldn’t run a lemonade stand let alone a state or our Nation.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:54 pmYes…and A Lot.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:55 pmThese Republican governors are willing to let their people suffer to win the nomination for president in 2012. They can’t think ahead or they’re realize how they’re losing the votes of moderates in the general election with the same moves. Apparently they are as stupid as their constituents.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:55 pmFair enough. But, is it reasonable for some governors to resist the funds, if they believe accepting the compromises that come along, would be bad for their state in the long run?
April 1st, 2009 at 4:57 pmbut are they that good?
How much of this country’s decision making, can they adequately do?
When Dumbya is your idea of a high watermark, effective leadership can be very hard to comprehend.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:58 pmYou are absolutely correct. Since the money offered was for specific causes and comes with strings attached if those governors don’t need the money for those causes then we all appreciate them not taking it. It is our money after all. Nobody is saying they have to take it.
April 1st, 2009 at 4:59 pmDo you mean as equipped as the jackasses who ran the auto companies into the ground? What is it with you right-wing Republicans? Why do maintain that CEOs are infallible after they prove that they are mult-billion dollar fu(kups? Will anything ever get you out of your CEO hero worship?
April 1st, 2009 at 5:01 pmWe need to be able to sue guys like this for malpractice… or charge them with criminal negligence.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:02 pmThe problem he’s facing is that his state doesn’t have the money.
Most state governments are required to balance their budgets. Louisiana would have to either raise taxes or potentially borrow (not sure if that is allowed under Louisiana law).
Either way, though, we need to be fair. The gov. is in a tough position.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:03 pmSend that money to Illinois. Our excellent new governor, Pat Quinn, will more than happy to use it to help poor people.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:04 pmbackup, the stimulus money isn’t as much to prop up the states as it is to prop up the whole country’s economy. It is federal money and, therefore, has federal strings to insure federal (i.e. national) benefits. Similarly, federal money is going into the auto manufacturing companies and, therefore, there must be federal strings to insure federal benefits.
I think you know this but you have to demonstrate your usual “concern” mode.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:04 pmWHAT? He can’t take the money be cause he doesn’t have enough money to take the money?!?! That is about the stupidist shit I have ever heard!
April 1st, 2009 at 5:05 pmAn the people in LA recall their governor? If so, I suspect they will start a movement soon.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:07 pmComing from the parents of immagrints…how quick he is to forget his roots…coming from the slums of India.
Bobby was born in America.
Gov. Jindall’s parents were hardly poor slum dwellers, although one might get that impression from the Governor’s response to Obama’s speech.
Bobby’s father is an engineer, and his mother
April 1st, 2009 at 5:08 pmRaj Gupta is a remarkably well-educated person. At the time a graduate of Rajasthan University pursuing a doctorate in physics, she later became a nuclear physicist at the Post Graduate Institute of Medical Sciences in Chandigarh, Punjab’s newly designed capital city.
Shoeless,
You really need to read the full article.
The fed money comes with restrictions — if the state takes the money, the state must put up its own cash.
When you call something “stupid shit” try and have your facts straight. Otherwise you look like stupid shit.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:08 pmShoeless,
April 1st, 2009 at 5:09 pmBy the way, in Illinois Quinn is doubling the state income tax.
Great timing.
We are in a recession and he wants the government to take more money.
Ford Motor Company refused government bailout money:
Did they refuse the money because they are running for President? Or did they refuse the money because they secretly don’t care about people that would be hurt by not taking the bailout money?
Or, did they refuse the money, because the compromises they would face by taking the money, were not in the best long term interest of their company?
The push seems to be to convince people that anyone refusing stimulus is doing it for political gain or somehow, just to spite the effort.
I guess that’s possible. What is also possible is that the governors believe those compromises are not in the long term best interest of their states.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:10 pmshoeless Chilopoda Says:
backup Says:
——————————————————————————–
If you feel that those same political leaders are additionally well equipped to determine how to run a large automobile company, the administration becoming involved with staffing decisions at GM, would probably make sense.
Do you mean as equipped as the jackasses who ran the auto companies into the ground? What is it with you right-wing Republicans? Why do maintain that CEOs are infallible after they prove that they are mult-billion dollar fu(kups? Will anything ever get you out of your CEO hero worship?
***
that’s exactly what he means.
backup is a dilettante and a poser
who only asks questions framed
for his convenience. but he is
funny in his own, unintentional way.
_-_
April 1st, 2009 at 5:11 pmbackup Says:
Ford Motor Company refused government bailout money:
http://finance.yahoo.com/ news/ Ford-posts-146B-2008-loss-apf-14200493.html
Did they refuse the money because they are running for President? Or did they refuse the money because they secretly don’t care about people that would be hurt by not taking the bailout money?
Or, did they refuse the money, because the compromises they would face by taking the money, were not in the best long term interest of their company?
The push seems to be to convince people that anyone refusing stimulus is doing it for political gain or somehow, just to spite the effort.
I guess that’s possible. What is also possible is that the governors believe those compromises are not in the long term best interest of their states.
***
it’s also possible that
you’ve been smoking crank.
.
you see backup? two can play
at your epistemological diatribes.
even though you are the only one
who is possibly high.
:)
after all it is possible
you are high right now,
isn’t it?
_-_
April 1st, 2009 at 5:16 pmI’m sure glad my governor isn’t making the worst excuse I ever heard in my life. “No, don’t give me the money! I don’t have enough money!”
In Illinois we would impeach the stupid bastard.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:29 pmjoe.
It is possible. It’s also possible you attack the messenger in lieu of addressing the message.
Ford refused the money. It wasn’t due to partisan politics. It was a decision that the ’strings’ that were attached carried to great a burden to be in the best long term interest of the company.
In the same way, governors that refuse stimulus money may feel the compromises that accompany the stimulus, would prove a detriment to their state.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:31 pmGo away Piyush Jihndal
April 1st, 2009 at 5:34 pmShoeless,
Do you understand that if the gov. accepts the money, then Louisiana must put up Louisiana’s own money?
Do you understand that according to the gov., the state does not have that money?
Tell me, Shoeless, where does Louisiana get the money it must put up?
When you toss around names, try and get your facts straight. Otherwise you look like a stupid bastard.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:35 pmCan Louisiana do the nation a favor and recall this loser?
April 1st, 2009 at 5:35 pmBTW, Illinois is facing a $9 billion deficit because of Illinois’ regressive income tax. Governor Quinn is making it more progressive and fixing the budget at the same time. So, yes, it is great timing you fool.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:36 pmThat is his problem. I could care less. In Illinois we have a governor who solves problems, rather than just whine, “I can’t take the money because we don’t have enough money.”
When you toss around names, try and get your facts straight. Otherwise you look like a stupid bastard.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:39 pmYou are confusing apples & oranges or conflating them.
A profit making business such as Ford is not the same type of entity as a state, such as Louisiana.
Therefore the conflation of motive for refusing $ is not apt in this case.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:41 pmShoeless,
Illinois does not have a “regressive income tax.” Get your facts straight. It might have a “regressive tax structure” but that would be solved only if the “tax swap” goes through (which means lowering other taxes if the income tax goes through).
Also, when you preach The Virtue of Quinn, try and keep the following in mind:
“The governor’s spending blueprint would raise Quinn’s salary to $182,400, up from $177,000, while boosting base pay for lawmakers by about 2.7 percent to $69,735 annually, up from $67,836.”
Quinn is one step better than Blago, but that’s not saying much.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:41 pmYes, because all of India is “slums”, and surely there cannot be any education or…food. You’re as ignorant as a Republican.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:43 pmAre there other dumbass Republican governors besides Jindal who claim they can’t take the money because it costs too much to take the money?
April 1st, 2009 at 5:43 pmShoeless,
“That’s his problem”?
But you are the guy ripping him for not taking the money.
If you want him to take the money, then tell us all how he should make it happen.
And Quinn sure is doing a great job of taking care of the Underpaid Gov. Problem.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:43 pmYou are going to lecture me on tax policy when you are dumb enough to believe that Jindal isn’t taking money because he doesn’t have enough money. What a moron.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:46 pmWith a governor like Jindal, Louisiana would not have needed FEMA help anyway. This guy should be recalled immediately.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:46 pmHe can call Governor Quinn of Illinois for advice if he can’t figure out how to run his own state.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:48 pmJindal would have turned down any help from FEMA because it costs too much to accept it.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:48 pmShoeless,
April 1st, 2009 at 5:50 pmI note your lack of substantive response.
You sure are good at tossing profanity at people you don’t like though.
If you feel like responding to the issues presented, please feel free to do so.
And, as I noted, you are in fact wrong on tax policy. Look it up. I know what I’m talking about.
And you don’t.
“He can call Governor Quinn of Illinois for advice if he can’t figure out how to run his own state.”
And Quinn will tell him to give himself a big fat raise and to raise taxes on working people.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:51 pmThen both can lose re-election.
pastcaring.
you’re right. The business of a state is not the same as the business at Ford.
It’s only an example of why someone may refuse funding that would otherwise seem to be welcome.
GM accepted bailout money and the compromises that came along with them. Those compromises are divisive:
http://www.detnews.com/article/20090331/AUTO01/903310371/1148/GM+workers+upset+that+Wagoner+became+sacrificial+lamb
Ford did not accept the money. That was what they felt was in the best interest of the company.
Most governors accept the stimulus money and the ’strings’ that come with them. Some do not.
The point I’m making is that there are reasons (other than partisan obstructionism) that individual governors might refuse the money.
Those reasons aren’t exactly like the reasoning at Ford, but similar, in that the compromises may outweigh the benefits.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:51 pmI am sick of hearing about how we need to spend more money to help the poor. Who is going to pay for it? The rich. You say everyone needs a fair chance. Then let’s talk about fair. Fair would mean that each American be responsible for the same amount of taxes, regardless of his/her income level. That obviously would not work as some would be taxed an amount greater than their income. However, an alternative of every American paying an equal percentage of their income would also be much more fair than the current system. This country has the resources for everyone to be successful. Whether or not one takes advantage of those resources is his/her own choice.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:51 pmRight. I told you we are working to solve our problems in Illinois. That is what progressives do. You regressives just let everything go to hell, then whine about it.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:51 pmShoeless,
We” are working?
You on Quinn’s payroll? What are you going to do when he loses the primary next year?
Once again, I note the lack of substantive response.
Where’s the gov. going to get the money?
You don’t have any ideas, Shoeless.
You don’t understand taxation, Shoeless.
You don’t understand state funding issues, Shoeless.
But you sure are good at throwing around profanity, Shoeless.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:56 pmThey both probably will lose their re-election races, but for entirely different reasons.
Pat Quinn has been a progressive crusader for the middle and lower classes against big corporate interests his whole career. Even as a sitting governor, he probably can’t raise enough money to win. So, he has two years to fix everything, and he is working very hard to do so.
Bobby Jindal will lose because he says stupid shit like, “I can’t take the money, because we don’t have enough money.”
Only a few really, really idiotic fools are going to swallow that crap.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:57 pmFord didn’t take the money because they mortgaged everything before the credit crisis and recession started. They have plenty of cash. Don’t let the facts stand in your way. They never do.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:58 pmApparently you don’t know what regressive tax structure means. Illinois taxes all income brackets at exactly the same rate. That is not a progressive tax structure.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:59 pmCAUGHT BETWEEN THE DEVIL AND THE DEEP BLUE SEA
In order to gain the political control they’ve enjoyed over the last ten years, Republican moderates and Reagan conservatives made a pact with the devil (faux Christians, bigots and misanthropes) to achieve the numbers they needed to defeat Democrats. They made a strategic decision to manipulate and exploit the ignorance, fears and hatreds of dysfunctional and vulnerable voters in order to win elections rather than lose them by being intellectually and morally honest.
Today, those who conspired with the devil are caught between wanting to disassociate themselves with and or casting out the devil they empowered and the karmic reality that they don’t have the numbers to hold on to or regain power without continuing to accept and “advocate” the immoral values, hypocrisies and corruptions that are dividing and destroying their party.
The survival of today’s shrinking Republican Party has become so dependent on extremism that they have no significant power left WITH or WITHOUT the support of America’s increasingly pernicious lunatic fringe.
The idiom “caught between the devil and the deep blue sea” is certainly appropriate as Republicans are facing the dilemma of choosing between two equally undesirable alternatives that both result in Republican impotence in mainstream American politics. They are suffering the consequences of their treachery.
Their irresponsible propping up of George W. Bush cost them their credibility, and their disgraceful and shameless licking of Rush Limbaugh’s storm trooper boots is costing them their viability.
April 1st, 2009 at 5:59 pmshoeless.
Here’s an attempt at an example.
The government wants to send your children to college. The catch is, they have to go to harvard and you have to pay half.
Let’s say that it costs $100,000 times 2 children per year. $200,000 per year. you have to come up with half; $100,000.
You may feel that you cannot come up with the $100,000 per year.
Although the $100,000 government funding is generous and would provide a good education for you children, you may forgo the funding, due to the burden of the $100,000 per year you would be required to match.
April 1st, 2009 at 6:05 pmThis knucklehead can’t get that simple concept through his addled head. I mean, he thinks it costs too much to take money, so how do you reason with someone like that.
April 1st, 2009 at 6:06 pmDoodle,
If you could point out where I called the Illinois tax structure “progressive” I would appreciate. In fact, if you read my stuff, you would see I said the opposite.
Shoeless claimed that the Illinois income tax is “regressive” and that’s just not the case. That tax is neither progressive nor regressive.
The entire Illinois tax structure is in fact regressive since it relies heavily on sales tax and property tax.
Certain people have proposed a “tax swap” in which sales taxes and property taxes would go down while the income tax would go up.
If the swap goes through, then even if there is no graduated income tax, the overall tax system will be less regressive.
April 1st, 2009 at 6:07 pmBut, as I said, there is nothing inherent in the Illinois income tax alone that makes it “regressive.”
Shoeless,
April 1st, 2009 at 6:07 pmI note once again your lack of substantive response.
Great example, Backup.
But Shoeless still won’t understand.
April 1st, 2009 at 6:08 pmXisithrus,
I yield. No way can I keep up with that pun about Alaskan mountains.
April 1st, 2009 at 6:08 pmy – those poor, suffering rich people….
who will stand up for them?
you, i guess, ’cause you’re a resentful ass of an excuse for a human being.
April 1st, 2009 at 6:09 pmShoeless,
April 1st, 2009 at 6:10 pmDo a lot of “progressive crusaders” give themselves raises while they are raising taxes on the working people?
That’s why Madigan is going to wipe the floor with Quinn.
some people just won’t be content til we’re as f’ed up as any other 3rd world sweatshop-nation, with a tiny handful of corrupt bastards running the show, and the rest of us competing for scraps by kissing ass.
what a wonderful vision. i’m sure that’s what the Founders had in mind.
April 1st, 2009 at 6:13 pmf yourself skeeter.
and
f yourself gimme
you’re both Dicks, of the highest Chenian order.
(ps – you’re piss-poor examples of real Americans, too)
April 1st, 2009 at 6:15 pmTom,
April 1st, 2009 at 6:21 pmThanks for your wit and intelligence!
Let me guess — Harvard?
Even if there is validity to the claims that La and SC are too poor to find the level of matching funds needed, why are they?
April 1st, 2009 at 6:27 pmCongrats to future Republican leader and current awkward d0uchebag , Bobby Piyush Brady Jindal , for solidifying his hold on the title of “Biggest Waste of an Ivy League Education Outside of Crawford”……….
April 1st, 2009 at 6:31 pmawwwhhhh is little stiffy booby upset again?
You took downers a week prior to the “BIG NEWS” and then the TB repugs threw your ass under the bus…twice.
Tooo fun-nee!
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Damn all y’all crazyass teabaggers are going off because President Obama is getting the accolades he deserves.
repugs EAT SHIT AND LIKE IT, AS USUAL
GO USA!
April 1st, 2009 at 6:44 pmGO PRESIDENT OBAMA!
Tom,
You toss around profanity.
You are unable to engage in sustantive discussions.
But you rip me as a lousy American?
We must have a different definition of that term.
If you can respond to my comments with substance, please do so. Otherwise, have the common courtesy to keep quiet. When you spout profanity like that, you make yourself look like a fool. When you spout off like that on a forum like this, you make all progressives look like fools.
April 1st, 2009 at 6:54 pmbackup Says:
joe.
It is possible. It’s also possible you attack the messenger in lieu of addressing the message.
Ford refused the money. It wasn’t due to partisan politics. It was a decision that the ’strings’ that were attached carried to great a burden to be in the best long term interest of the company.
In the same way, governors that refuse stimulus money may feel the compromises that accompany the stimulus, would prove a detriment to their state.
***
ooh no, we wouldn’t want to attack the messenger
who posted comments before the
recent presidential elections claiming
we weren’t in a recession, now would we?
::
your record on this subject, backup,
does not inspire one with confidence because
you are here to propagandize
and not to analyze.
***
i wish you luck in your quest
for self-knowledge and probate.
:0
btw, e-harmony called, they would
like to introduce you to “skeeter”.
_-_-
April 1st, 2009 at 6:57 pmSkeeter1 Says:
Tom,
You toss around profanity.
You are unable to engage in sustantive discussions.
But you rip me as a lousy American?
We must have a different definition of that term.
If you can respond to my comments with substance, please do so. Otherwise, have the common courtesy to keep quiet. When you spout profanity like that, you make yourself look like a fool. When you spout off like that on a forum like this, you make all progressives look like fools.
***
tell it to her.
:)
April 1st, 2009 at 7:00 pmpaleolib Says:
So if we combine Jindal’s and Sanford’s idiocy, it is child abuse to run a deficit (which I guess makes Sanford a child abuser since his state already has one thanks to his irresponsible tax policiy) so we should stop the abuse by refusing to fund low income health care thus ensuring that many of those poor kids will die before they can be forced to pay off the national debt that Republicans sort of didn’t notice while Bush was almost doubling it.
Exactly!
And while steele fronts and cig AND CIGAR fed tax earns cha-ching then Mexico/US fence/pot…
April 1st, 2009 at 7:01 pmWhat is happening to America?
Why aren’t we protesting and fighting back against the likes of Jindal and Sanford and all of the GOP lies, and torture tactics.
April 1st, 2009 at 7:07 pmjoe. at the time, we weren’t in recession. But, I concede what I assume is your larger point. I underestimated the size and significance of the current economic malaise.
Maybe you can help me today. I’m suggesting that governors may be refusing stimulus not for partisan obstructionism, but because they believe the ’strings’ (or compromises) that come with the stimulus funds may have detrimental impacts to their states.
How is that suggestion wrong?
April 1st, 2009 at 7:09 pmback-up stop being silly bullshitter.
Its Food not Ford.
Its Food that matters not some damn car.
April 1st, 2009 at 7:14 pmjoe, I think that link helps make Skeeter’s point:
Pulido is a republican, but the idea is universal.
April 1st, 2009 at 7:17 pmbackup Says:
joe. at the time, we weren’t in recession. But, I concede what I assume is your larger point. I underestimated the size and significance of the current economic malaise.
Maybe you can help me today. I’m suggesting that governors may be refusing stimulus not for partisan obstructionism, but because they believe the ’strings’ (or compromises) that come with the stimulus funds may have detrimental impacts to their states.
How is that suggestion wrong?
***
you can (and often do) suggest any alternate
reality that will support a right wing point of view.
don’t make it my job to help you prove it. get off
your lazy ass and trying working for a living
like the rest of us do.
*
now here’s a question for
you. name the governors who are trying
to refuse parts of the stimulus package
and what they all have in common?
***
i’ll give you a hint:
political party?
presidential aspirations?
extremist conservative agenda?
**
that ought to get you started.
:)
btw, billy o’reilly (not me) says
you are a child molester.
how does that make you feel?
:)
April 1st, 2009 at 7:31 pmbackup Says:
tell it to her.
joe, I think that link helps make Skeeter’s point:
When you spout profanity like that, you make yourself look like a fool. When you spout off like that on a forum like this, you make all progressives look like fools.
Pulido is a republican, but the idea is universal.
_-_
skeeter’s point is to be a troll.
but at least he’s not a sneak
about it like you are.
:)
April 1st, 2009 at 7:32 pm***
btw, not quite “universal” backup.
in your world trolls like that get
nominated for congress by the
republican party.
:\
April 1st, 2009 at 7:40 pmskeeter – i told ya once – don’t make me do it again. i don’t play patty-cake w/ your type, and i could give a rat’s ass what anyone thinks of it – this isn’t sunday school.
backup – the tarpit of pseudo-thoughtfulness you bring to the party has no bottom. your thinking is paralysis.
April 1st, 2009 at 7:41 pmjoe. well, you have a point. But, isn’t it likely that opponents of the current administration may also have different philosophies?
I see that it is easier to chalk up the refusal of stimulus funds as partisan obstructionism. But, it fails to take into account the non-partisan entities that elect not to take government funding.
This government funding is not a handout without stipulations. I offered the example of GM and former CEO Wagoner. GM took the money. Now, they answer to the administration.
If the government wants to put stipulations on bailout or stimulus money, that makes sense to me. But, at the same time, it’s not accurate to paint those that refuse the money (due to the compromises to their autonomy) as obstructionist.
Especially, in light of the government’s handling of Wagoner and GM.
April 1st, 2009 at 7:47 pmJindal is one of a handful of Republican governors who have opted to promote party ideology over pragmatism. He is basically thumbing his nose at the many thousands of his constituents who have lost their jobs, had hoped to attend college, or have had some other monetary crisis affect their lives in the past year. Instead, he is embracing a philosophy that says “I’ve got mine. To hell with everyone else.”
Want a quality public school education? It sucks to be you. Need health care assistance? Go go away and die quietly.
Jindal in 2012? Good luck with that.
April 1st, 2009 at 7:50 pmbackup,
apples and oranges, backup.
but you keep pushing the fruit cart.
skeeter and chicagolady are buying.
:\
April 1st, 2009 at 7:52 pmgimmegimme Says:
I am sick of selfish jerks who only care about themselves. I got mine screw you is the mating call of todays conservative. Actually what you propose would NOT be fair. It is plain STUPID to say everyone should just pay the same dollar amount in taxes. Progressive taxation IS fair for many reasons. First the wealthy get a whole lot more OUT of societies investment in EVERYONES ability to make money. I use the highway system to get to work. HL Hunt used it to become a trucking magnate and billionare. Leaving THAT aside what we need to look at is DISPOSABLE income. If it takes say 30,000 just to live and you make sixty thousand and are taxed at 20 percent that would be 12,000 dollars or more than a THIRD of the dispoable income. For a man who made ten million would be paying pretty much ONLY twenty percent of his disposable income since it REALLY only costs him the same thirty thousand to live.
April 1st, 2009 at 7:54 pmjoe. they may not be the only ones:
http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/German-chancellor-opposes-too-much/story.aspx?guid=%7B9B373952%2DB786%2D4EBA%2D8EBD%2DBF37C6FC9AC3%7D
http://www.smh.com.au/world/european-bank-opposes-more-stimulus-spending-20090323-97i7.html
April 1st, 2009 at 8:28 pmI guess they can rename the tent cities from Bushville to Jindalville, Jindalglen, Jindalton (oh that’s better, rhymes with simpleton).
April 1st, 2009 at 8:36 pmWell Golly Shariff, We don’t cotten ta yer charitibilitys yin theese here parts!
April 1st, 2009 at 8:38 pmapples and oranges again.
this post is about the u.s.
not europe.
btw, i forgot gimme.
he’s on your team too.
?
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April 1st, 2009 at 8:53 pmEvery poor person who dies is one less vote for his opponent.
April 1st, 2009 at 10:19 pmEugene atrax robustus Debs, have you ever heard of the fuel tax? Imagine how much HL Hunt paid in fuel tax on the way to becoming a billionaire. That tax, I’m sure, covered more towards the highways than the damage his company did. What about the corporate tax? I bet the company paid alot of that too. You really showed your true colors. You can’t stand someone who did something you couldn’t. Did I mention how jobs were also created–more tax-payers? How about the countless hours that are spent making a company run?–a lot more hours than an employee is expected to work. How about the stress of knowing that if he lost his work, he can’t just go and get another job to pay the bills? I’m not familiar with the company HL Hunt, but it sounds like he made the most of the American dream. By the way, I said it wouldn’t work to tax everyone an equal dollar amount. I suggested it would be fair to tax an equal percentage of income. What does disposable income have to do with anything? Just because he doesn’t need the money as much as someone else doesn’t mean he didn’t earn it.
April 2nd, 2009 at 12:47 amgimmegimme Says:
You are pretty stupid. A moron really. Fuel tax? A hundred passenger cars are less wear on a highway than one loaded semi. So gas tax is just ANOTHER way we subsidize the trucking industry. Always we have asskissers like you that will make any excuses why the rich NEED our support at our own expense. I dont care about money. I make a good living and am doing what I always wanted. I contribute. I am a worker. If I wanted to be wealthy I would be. Everyone doesnt worship Ebeneezer Scrooge like you. HL Hunt made his money by taking a cut of what his WORKERS produced. ALL wealth is created by those who work not one BIT by those who buy and sell that is economics 101. It simply isnt in dispute. I also dont care how much money he made or how rich he got. I am only pointing out that the wealthy get MORE out of the investment society made for ALL of us to make money and it is only FAIR they give more back. Lets talk about Taxol. An important cancer drug. Discovered with taxpayer money by the Cancer Institute on one grant. Researched at Duke with another taxpayer grant through the NIH and GIVEN to Bristol Squibb Meyers to charge whatever they want for it. We subidize bussiness in hundreds of ways big and small. I am not against that either but those who get RICH off our investment should kick back more than those just getting by. HL Hunt benfited MORE than the guy who just drives from the highway system it isnt too much to ask he give more back. You just keep kissing ass though and begging for some crumbs off the table maybe some day you will get some. You are not only stupid you are a wanker
April 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 amJindal was ONCE a “promising” GOP candidate.
April 2nd, 2009 at 2:57 amNow…he’ll be lucky to win re-election in his own state next time.
Oh well.
That’s what he gets for actin’ the fool and being a Limbaugh pawn.
Joe,
You need to drop your simplistic world view.
Just because I question whether Gov. Jindahl was in a bind doesn’t mean I would support somebody like Pulido.
To be frank, she’s scum.
However, the fact that she acts like a jackass does not give you the right to be a jackass.
I thought progressives were different from right wing extremists like Pulido. I thought progressives were above the sort of conduct that Pulido engages in.
Looks like you see things differently. You want to go down on the low road with people like her. Which is a shame.
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:52 amBy the way —
I love the assumptions of so many people here.
Claim that Jindahl is in a tough postion?
MUST BE A TROLL!
What cowards.
April 2nd, 2009 at 9:55 amYou are afraid to discuss merits.
Much easier to toss around names.
At the core, there’s not much difference between many here and Pulido. All, at the core, just haters.
You call me a moron? Without the people who go and start businesses, this country would never have become as prosperous as it is. Democrats want to use the recession as an excuse to move away from a free market, blaming the downturn on business. Instead of being angry at business for a recession, you should think about the 200 years of progression and growth the free market has brought. There will be fluctuations in the prosperity of this nation. There will be more recessions. The only way the government can stop that from happening is to control everything. Instead of having great prosperity followed by occasional downturns, we’ll just have a nice steady economy where everyone just eeks by. If that’s what you want, you should move to a different country.
April 2nd, 2009 at 10:45 amI hope that the state legislature bypasses Bobby and takes the money to help the people of Louisiana. Maybe next time around they will look more closely before believing all the lies that the politicians make and vote against them.
April 2nd, 2009 at 10:54 amFree market capitalism is the greatest wealth building, lifestyle improving system of all time. Not that many of these people care, but when you accept food stamps, welfare, healthcare and any other taxpayer funded government handout, you are giving up some of your liberty and freedom. You have become dependent on the State. Therefore, the State can tell you what to do and when to do it. So, yes, you might think you are getting over and getting “freebies”, but the reality is you have given up some liberty. You become a junkie addicted to the State. No thanks.
April 2nd, 2009 at 2:09 pmKwsventure?
Dependent on the state?
April 2nd, 2009 at 2:16 pmThat sure kicks the teeth out of starving or living under a bridge.
Civilized people believe that we are obligated to help those who cannot help themselves.
By the way Kwsventure,
Do you feel the same way about the military?
Aren’t you tired of being so dependent on the United States Army to defend you? Darnit, by not raising your own Army, and taking those national defense freebies, you’ve given up some liberty and become dependent on the state.
No thanks for that national defense. Right Kwsventure?
April 2nd, 2009 at 2:40 pmThey portray Jindal as a good Catholic. Apparently he forget the part about feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, etc. Or maybe he is aiming to do all his good deeds by visiting the sick after he takes away folks’ access to health care.
April 2nd, 2009 at 3:44 pmEat more beef folks ok?
ML
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