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	<title>Comments on: Joining Their 11 Colleagues, Eight More Republicans Advance Cap-And-Trade Tax Myth</title>
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		<title>By: guzide</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/eight-republicans-tax-myth/comment-page-2/#comment-5604095</link>
		<dc:creator>guzide</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 10:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK Pat obviously senile dementia has set in. Time to see the nice young men that will need to take care of you soon.<a href="http://www.magicplast.com" rel="nofollow">burun estetigi</a> <a href="http://www.hemenarac.com" rel="nofollow">rent a car</a> <a href="http://www.kardeslerrentacar.com" rel="nofollow">arac kiralama</a><br />
<a href="http://www.magicsacekimi.com" rel="nofollow">sac ekimi</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5604095', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Eugene atrax robustus Debs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/eight-republicans-tax-myth/comment-page-2/#comment-5583417</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene atrax robustus Debs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Apr 2009 09:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romartin16985 Says: 

Go soak your head.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

Bite my massive hairy nutsack

There’s nothing democratic about you.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

So you say FASCIST

If you find a typo somewhere your assumed to be able to fill in the blank.
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;

I dont care about typos what I DO notice is the glare of your STUPID</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romartin16985 Says: </p>
<p>Go soak your head.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>Bite my massive hairy nutsack</p>
<p>There’s nothing democratic about you.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>So you say FASCIST</p>
<p>If you find a typo somewhere your assumed to be able to fill in the blank.<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>I dont care about typos what I DO notice is the glare of your STUPID<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5583417', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Romartin16985</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/eight-republicans-tax-myth/comment-page-2/#comment-5580700</link>
		<dc:creator>Romartin16985</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 02:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Eugene -

Go soak your head.

There&#039;s nothing democratic about you.

If you find a typo somewhere your assumed to be able to fill in the blank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Eugene -</p>
<p>Go soak your head.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s nothing democratic about you.</p>
<p>If you find a typo somewhere your assumed to be able to fill in the blank.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5580700', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Eugene atrax robustus Debs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/eight-republicans-tax-myth/comment-page-2/#comment-5579496</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene atrax robustus Debs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 08:03:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>independent989 Says: 

There is no such THING as a Democrat memeber of Congress you insufferable MORON. Since you are too stupid to even know the name of the largest political party in the United States you should just realize you are too ignorant to be taken seriously and STFU</description>
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<p>There is no such THING as a Democrat memeber of Congress you insufferable MORON. Since you are too stupid to even know the name of the largest political party in the United States you should just realize you are too ignorant to be taken seriously and STFU<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5579496', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Eugene atrax robustus Debs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/eight-republicans-tax-myth/comment-page-2/#comment-5579495</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene atrax robustus Debs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 08:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romartin16985 Says: 


Power IS corrupting and YOU are advising we give MORE to corporations. This libertarian idea that only the power given to government matters doesnt make sense. Right NOW corporations have too much power in our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Romartin16985 Says: </p>
<p>Power IS corrupting and YOU are advising we give MORE to corporations. This libertarian idea that only the power given to government matters doesnt make sense. Right NOW corporations have too much power in our society.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5579495', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Eugene atrax robustus Debs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/eight-republicans-tax-myth/comment-page-2/#comment-5579494</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene atrax robustus Debs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:59:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romartin16985 Says: 

Your entire brain seems hemmed in by talking points that you seem to think become true because you say them. If these energy corporations pass on that cost and green energy dont have those costs to pass on then it will make green energy more competitive and so there is no reason to believe that it WONT address the problem.</description>
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<p>Your entire brain seems hemmed in by talking points that you seem to think become true because you say them. If these energy corporations pass on that cost and green energy dont have those costs to pass on then it will make green energy more competitive and so there is no reason to believe that it WONT address the problem.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5579494', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Eugene atrax robustus Debs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene atrax robustus Debs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Romartin16985 Says: 

And when some of them DO pan out and we lessen our dependence on foriegn oil and get more economic, clean and sustainable energy wont that be WORTH the investment? The free market is not a God given imperative it is a man made construct that we can help better serve societies needs BEYOND pure greedy self interest.</description>
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<p>And when some of them DO pan out and we lessen our dependence on foriegn oil and get more economic, clean and sustainable energy wont that be WORTH the investment? The free market is not a God given imperative it is a man made construct that we can help better serve societies needs BEYOND pure greedy self interest.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5579493', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Eugene atrax robustus Debs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/eight-republicans-tax-myth/comment-page-2/#comment-5579492</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene atrax robustus Debs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 07:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barack obomber Says: 


You are a mindless moronic troll without a shred of decency. You are an ignorant punk. No one cares what lies and stupidity you want to regurgitate on this message board. I dont even read your posts anymore I just see your nick and start giving you the insults you so richly deserve you lying, racist, ignorant cretin</description>
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<p>You are a mindless moronic troll without a shred of decency. You are an ignorant punk. No one cares what lies and stupidity you want to regurgitate on this message board. I dont even read your posts anymore I just see your nick and start giving you the insults you so richly deserve you lying, racist, ignorant cretin<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5579492', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Chicano2nd</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/eight-republicans-tax-myth/comment-page-2/#comment-5579307</link>
		<dc:creator>Chicano2nd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 02:15:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Imagine that, what a surprise! Elected national leaders who have no concerns whatsoever about speaking before the constituency and willfully lying. A co-called Christain nation, no less, sheepishly allows it.

Talk about a decaying civilization. Plato is chuckling again!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Imagine that, what a surprise! Elected national leaders who have no concerns whatsoever about speaking before the constituency and willfully lying. A co-called Christain nation, no less, sheepishly allows it.</p>
<p>Talk about a decaying civilization. Plato is chuckling again!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5579307', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MickeyWhite</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/eight-republicans-tax-myth/comment-page-2/#comment-5579288</link>
		<dc:creator>MickeyWhite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 01:51:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Economic Stimulus. H.R. 5140, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, passed 385-35 on January 29, 2008 (Roll Call 25). It would provide about $150 billion in economic stimulus, including $101.1 billion in direct payments of rebate checks (typically $600) to most taxpayers in 2008 and temporary tax breaks for businesses. Creating money out of thin air and then spending the newly created money cannot improve the economy, at least not in the long term. (If it could, why not create even more money for rebates and make every American a millionaire?) The stimulus has no offset and thus increases the federal deficit by the amount of the stimulus because the government must borrow the rebate money. A realistic long-term stimulus can only be achieved by lowering taxes through less government and by reducing regulatory burdens.Marsha Blackburn voted FOR this bill.(Source: The New American – July 21, 2008)  

Marsha Blackburn is my Congressman.  
She is no conservative. 
See her unconstitutional votes at : 
http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/?p=614
Mickey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Economic Stimulus. H.R. 5140, the Economic Stimulus Act of 2008, passed 385-35 on January 29, 2008 (Roll Call 25). It would provide about $150 billion in economic stimulus, including $101.1 billion in direct payments of rebate checks (typically $600) to most taxpayers in 2008 and temporary tax breaks for businesses. Creating money out of thin air and then spending the newly created money cannot improve the economy, at least not in the long term. (If it could, why not create even more money for rebates and make every American a millionaire?) The stimulus has no offset and thus increases the federal deficit by the amount of the stimulus because the government must borrow the rebate money. A realistic long-term stimulus can only be achieved by lowering taxes through less government and by reducing regulatory burdens.Marsha Blackburn voted FOR this bill.(Source: The New American – July 21, 2008)  </p>
<p>Marsha Blackburn is my Congressman.<br />
She is no conservative.<br />
See her unconstitutional votes at :<br />
<a href="http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/?p=614" rel="nofollow">http://bluecollarrepublican.com/blog/?p=614</a><br />
Mickey<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5579288', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jweider</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/eight-republicans-tax-myth/comment-page-2/#comment-5579029</link>
		<dc:creator>jweider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 22:40:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>barack obomber Says:

you idiots have it backwards. “Global warming” or no wait since its cooler now “climate change” hhaa is a myth. A way for the government to mandate what we buy and how much energy we use. A waste of money and you guys are too stupid to figure out it will actually cost you more money not just rich people.

If Climate Change is a myth, why would the government care what I bought or how much energy I used?
You better be careful, the government might be monitoring your local grocery store to make sure you are eating properly!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>barack obomber Says:</p>
<p>you idiots have it backwards. “Global warming” or no wait since its cooler now “climate change” hhaa is a myth. A way for the government to mandate what we buy and how much energy we use. A waste of money and you guys are too stupid to figure out it will actually cost you more money not just rich people.</p>
<p>If Climate Change is a myth, why would the government care what I bought or how much energy I used?<br />
You better be careful, the government might be monitoring your local grocery store to make sure you are eating properly!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5579029', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: independent989</title>
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		<dc:creator>independent989</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 21:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by the way, we should all be &quot;shilling&quot; for the pro gun lobby.  To keep and bear arms is in the Constitution.  There should be no abatement for Law abiding citizens.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way, we should all be &#8220;shilling&#8221; for the pro gun lobby.  To keep and bear arms is in the Constitution.  There should be no abatement for Law abiding citizens.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5578864', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: independent989</title>
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		<dc:creator>independent989</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 20:58:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Both Republican and Democrat members of congress will twist #&#039;s to their advantage.  For any Republican or Democrat to get on their high horse and point a finger a the other is silly and hypocritical.  The problem lies in both parties not just one.  We should be supporting issues because we believe in them not because they are espoused by one party or another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Both Republican and Democrat members of congress will twist #&#8217;s to their advantage.  For any Republican or Democrat to get on their high horse and point a finger a the other is silly and hypocritical.  The problem lies in both parties not just one.  We should be supporting issues because we believe in them not because they are espoused by one party or another.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5578859', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: delafield</title>
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		<dc:creator>delafield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:48:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Republicans are shilling for the energy industry lobby again.

Next week, Republicans will be shilling for the pro-gun lobby, then the pharmacutical lobby, then the anti-abortion lobby, then the radical religious right lobby, then the anti-gay lobby, then the tobacco lobby, then the pro-war lobby, etc, etc.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans are shilling for the energy industry lobby again.</p>
<p>Next week, Republicans will be shilling for the pro-gun lobby, then the pharmacutical lobby, then the anti-abortion lobby, then the radical religious right lobby, then the anti-gay lobby, then the tobacco lobby, then the pro-war lobby, etc, etc&#8230;..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5578622', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: shoeless Chilopoda</title>
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		<dc:creator>shoeless Chilopoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Romartin16985 Says: 
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Power is corrupting, giving too much of it to a small group of people in Washington has contributed to many of our current problems.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

With $40 billion/year in profits, how much power do you think Exxon has?</description>
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Power is corrupting, giving too much of it to a small group of people in Washington has contributed to many of our current problems.</p></blockquote>
<p>With $40 billion/year in profits, how much power do you think Exxon has?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5578610', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: wags camponotus saundersi</title>
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		<dc:creator>wags camponotus saundersi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I agree that we shouldn’t place all of our faith in the free markets, but I do believe that the balance point is not in the middle, it is somewhere between the two but closer to the free markets. Power is corrupting, giving too much of it to a small group of people in Washington has contributed to many of our current problems. Its a bad idea to give them even more with the President’s huge taxing and spending budget.

I see your points, but the consumer will still end up paying this cap and trade tax, and that is truly unfair.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
The problem that is so conveniently ignored when talking about &#039;free markets&#039; is that the market isn&#039;t free at all.  It&#039;s a rigged game, designed so that the party in power (large corporate interests) remain in power at the expense of all else.  Deregulation fosters rampant corporate consolidation, which leads to less competition.  Meanwhile, huge subsidies are given to the oil, coal and gas industries to keep their own profits high while selling cheap commodities, not to mention tarrifs and other levies protecting domestic interests.

It&#039;s disingenuous in the extreme to imply that the market is &#039;free&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I agree that we shouldn’t place all of our faith in the free markets, but I do believe that the balance point is not in the middle, it is somewhere between the two but closer to the free markets. Power is corrupting, giving too much of it to a small group of people in Washington has contributed to many of our current problems. Its a bad idea to give them even more with the President’s huge taxing and spending budget.</p>
<p>I see your points, but the consumer will still end up paying this cap and trade tax, and that is truly unfair.</p></blockquote>
<p>The problem that is so conveniently ignored when talking about &#8216;free markets&#8217; is that the market isn&#8217;t free at all.  It&#8217;s a rigged game, designed so that the party in power (large corporate interests) remain in power at the expense of all else.  Deregulation fosters rampant corporate consolidation, which leads to less competition.  Meanwhile, huge subsidies are given to the oil, coal and gas industries to keep their own profits high while selling cheap commodities, not to mention tarrifs and other levies protecting domestic interests.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s disingenuous in the extreme to imply that the market is &#8216;free&#8217;.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5578609', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Romartin16985</title>
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		<dc:creator>Romartin16985</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wags,

I agree that we shouldn&#039;t place all of our faith in the free markets, but I do believe that the balance point is not in the middle, it is somewhere between the two but closer to the free markets.  Power is corrupting, giving too much of it to a small group of people in Washington has contributed to many of our current problems.  Its a bad idea to give them even more with the President&#039;s huge taxing and spending budget.

I see your points, but the consumer will still end up paying this cap and trade tax, and that is truly unfair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wags,</p>
<p>I agree that we shouldn&#8217;t place all of our faith in the free markets, but I do believe that the balance point is not in the middle, it is somewhere between the two but closer to the free markets.  Power is corrupting, giving too much of it to a small group of people in Washington has contributed to many of our current problems.  Its a bad idea to give them even more with the President&#8217;s huge taxing and spending budget.</p>
<p>I see your points, but the consumer will still end up paying this cap and trade tax, and that is truly unfair.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5578600', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Cats r Flyfishn</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/eight-republicans-tax-myth/comment-page-2/#comment-5578591</link>
		<dc:creator>Cats r Flyfishn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:20:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Americans are becoming tired of the same old bs from these whiny Republicans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Americans are becoming tired of the same old bs from these whiny Republicans.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5578591', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Marie</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/02/eight-republicans-tax-myth/comment-page-1/#comment-5578582</link>
		<dc:creator>Marie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All right, can you people at TP talk to the people at the networks and set this misinformation straight?

We can send emails till our fingers blister, complaining about their poor reporting -- maybe an authoritative voice would be heard by them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All right, can you people at TP talk to the people at the networks and set this misinformation straight?</p>
<p>We can send emails till our fingers blister, complaining about their poor reporting &#8212; maybe an authoritative voice would be heard by them.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5578582', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: wags camponotus saundersi</title>
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		<dc:creator>wags camponotus saundersi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Apr 2009 18:17:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I can see we have no common ground.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I think we do, it&#039;s just that you seem to place undue faith in the &#039;free market&#039; to correct social problems; something it has almost universally failed at.

&lt;blockquote&gt;When corporations are taxed, they usually pass that cost on.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
True.

&lt;blockquote&gt; So the cap and trade tax does nothing to advance the push to cleaner energy.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Not necessarily true.  Higher &#039;dirty&#039; energy costs will push consumers to either reduce their usage or look for alternatives.


&lt;blockquote&gt;We need tax INCENTIVES to encourage private businesses to explore new sources of clean energy, and we need to give them the rights to do it. They WILL do what makes business sense for them. If it is more profitable to produce clean energy, they will do that. Making it more expensive to produce dirty energy is not the same thing as an incentive to produce clean energy!&lt;/blockquote&gt;
These are not mutually exclusive.  Both can be employed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I can see we have no common ground.</p></blockquote>
<p>I think we do, it&#8217;s just that you seem to place undue faith in the &#8216;free market&#8217; to correct social problems; something it has almost universally failed at.</p>
<blockquote><p>When corporations are taxed, they usually pass that cost on.</p></blockquote>
<p>True.</p>
<blockquote><p> So the cap and trade tax does nothing to advance the push to cleaner energy.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not necessarily true.  Higher &#8216;dirty&#8217; energy costs will push consumers to either reduce their usage or look for alternatives.</p>
<blockquote><p>We need tax INCENTIVES to encourage private businesses to explore new sources of clean energy, and we need to give them the rights to do it. They WILL do what makes business sense for them. If it is more profitable to produce clean energy, they will do that. Making it more expensive to produce dirty energy is not the same thing as an incentive to produce clean energy!</p></blockquote>
<p>These are not mutually exclusive.  Both can be employed.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5578583', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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