Conservatives Holding Up Increasing Number Of Key Obama Nominees
Conservatives Holding Up Increasing Number Of Key Obama Nominees
Conservatives in Congress and in the media are attempting to block or delay a growing number of critical nominees for what amount to ideological witch hunts and self-interested horse-trading. As the President attempts to deal with the significant legal and logistical questions surrounding two wars, closing Guantanamo Bay, and caring for our nation’s veterans, the people Obama has picked to assist him with such issues are being forced to wait in the wings.
In the last week alone, at least four separate nominees who thought they were on track to be approved will have to wait at least a few more weeks:
Department of Defense: Sens. Richard Shelby (R-AL) and Jeff Sessions (R-AL) announced today that “they are blocking President Barack Obama’s nomination of Ashton Carter as Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics.” The senators want assurances that Carter will not “change the criteria” on which the Pentagon considers a refueling tanker contract that could benefit defense contractors in their state.
Department of Veterans Affairs: Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC) asked the Senate Veterans Affairs committee to delay voting on the “nomination of Tammy Duckworth, an injured Iraq war helicopter pilot, to be an assistant secretary at the Department of Veterans Affairs.” Contacted by ThinkProgress, Burr’s Press Secretary, David Ward said that Burr is waiting for the answers to several questions he’s put to the White House and Duckworth, but would not disclose what those questions were.
White House Office of Legal Counsel: Dawn Johnsen’s nomination as head of the OLC has been delayed in part because Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) has ideological differences with her. As the Legal Times explained, “citing Johnsen’s criticisms of Bush national security policies, [Cornyn] accused her of lacking ‘the seriousness and necessary resolve’ to fight terrorism,” while “other Republicans have targeted her work as legal director for NARAL Pro-Choice America from 1988 to 1993.”
Department of State: Right wing commentators are working to block the appointment of Harold Koh to the State Deptment’s top legal adviser, smearing him as a “threat to democracy” for his being an international law expert. As the Century Foundation notes, “The fervent opponents of Harold Koh turn out to be enthusiastic defenders of John Yoo.”
Additionally, Chris Hill’s nomination as ambassador to Iraq is still being held up by Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS) at the behest of the right wing. This despite the fact that Secretary of State Robert Gates recently issued a rare statement on a diplomatic appointment saying, it is “vital that we get an ambassador in Baghdad as soon as possible.” These delays are just the latest in a long string of delays. The nominations of Attorney General Eric Holder, Labor Secretary Hilda Solis, and Presidential Science Adviser John Holdren were also held up for largely partisan reasons.
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There is one thing the wingers have not acknowledged: They lost the election. We the people elected Barack Obama to be President of the United States. He has all the rights and privileges of that office. Their silly, obstructionist acts are holding up the business of the people. One more thing for the wingers: Your way failed! You are not the majority and the majority of the people reject your stupid philosophy. Sit down and learn what it is like on the bench, losers.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:07 amThis country is falling apart and the Party of NO is politicizing every damn appointment by Obama and we are getting nowhwere while Rome burns.The Reich wing nut obstructionist party is doing all it can to keep Rome burning and burning, phuck the REICH and their de-facto leaders, you lost we won in Nov get over it or get out of the way.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:13 amThis story is good for one thing, it lets the light shine in. We need more light on the shenanagans that the repunlicans are playing in their zeal to disrupt, disrupt, disrupt. Oh, if you ask them what their policies are in a simple statement, if they would not be mendacious, they would have to reply: DISRUPTION.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:14 amSo, they’ve gone from flying the plane directly into the mountain to stonewalling every bit of a chance for progress. REPUBLICANS ARE THE ILLS OF THIS NATION!!!!!!!
April 4th, 2009 at 9:15 amnotice how all these anti-american obstructionists are repukies from the south? why didn’t we let sheman wipe out the rest of the south like he did from atlanta to savannah when ewe had the chance?
April 4th, 2009 at 9:19 am*sherman
April 4th, 2009 at 9:20 amThat a chickenhawk like Burr is holding up Duckworth’s confirmation is disgraceful…but not surprising. He and Mike Johanns are the only non-vets on the committee…and Burr is chairing it. He’s every bit as treacherous as his long-passed cousin was.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:28 amHolding up a nomination because she worked for a pro-choice organization? But it was OK for Democrats to vote to confirm a SC nominee who worked for his wife’s anti-abortion organizatyion? Christ! Can’t these people get out of the 8th grade? It’s Pitiful.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:32 amWhite House Office of Legal Council
April 4th, 2009 at 9:33 amDepartment of State:
There’s something that they’ll try to block for the next 4 years.
President Obama need’s to get on the TV and let the rest of the world know what these miserable people are doing by blocking his pick’s…Time to get tough and get the word out, enough of their crap already…P. B. & J
April 4th, 2009 at 9:36 amThis kind of stuff really bugs me.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:40 amI don’t know how long this can go on. The repugs are worst than spoiled children having tantrums. Obstruction for the sake of obstruction seems to be their game — they have nothing else.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:44 amActually, they do have something else — they could grow up and act responsibly, support the president and work toward improving our country — but unfortunately, for them, and for America, they prefer to obstruct legislation, delay important work, hinder appointments and otherwise demonstrate that they are not worthy of representing Americans.
They will sanctimoniously charge that Obama hasn’t filled all his positions yet, when they are the reason for key positions not being filled. They will denounce stimulus money as frivolous, when people in their own states are begging.
They kneel at the feet of their self-aggrandizing, self-appointed leaders like Limbaugh, Beck, O’Reilly and Hannity because they have no one better in their party to lead them.
No one wants to be the grown up and work for the betterment of America; all of them prefer petulancy and belligerency to progress.
Pathetic and disgraceful display of partisanship.
worse
April 4th, 2009 at 9:44 amWe’ve known at least since Reagan: Republicans are partisan to the point of treason.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:47 amAfter 8 years of Republicans clamoring for up or down votes on nominees, it seems they’ve had a change of heart.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:50 amAnd they’ll be damned if Senator Frankin ever takes his seat.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:52 am*Franken
April 4th, 2009 at 9:53 amooooh… rachel did a short segment last night about the hold up of tammy duckworth and SHE IS PISSED.
she stated that burr has picked the wrong battle and she was not going to let it go…
i would NOT want to cross rachel… on ANY matter…
April 4th, 2009 at 10:00 amAre these the Senators Rep Michelle Bachmann was talking about when she said the media should investigate who in Congress is pro-America and who is anti-America?
April 4th, 2009 at 10:09 amGDumbya did the best that he could to discredit government by emptying our country’s treasury, wasting money on a dirty little avoidable war, cutting taxes at the high end of the scale and just generally being inattentive and incompetent.
Now GDumbya is gone (thankfully) but the rest of his party has taken up the mission of “proving” that government is the problem as Ronnie RayGun used to say.
With an extremely intelligent and effective President in office, the GOPers have to be more creative in their approach so they are hoping to stare the Executive Branch of the staff and resources necessary to get the ship of state on a proper course again.
I agree with the earlier post that the White House somehow needs to get this message out. The obstructionism borders on the traitorous; the politics of the GOP vendetta stinks to high heaven.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:13 amtypo –> With an extremely intelligent and effective President in office, the GOPers have to be more creative in their approach so they are hoping to starve the Executive Branch of the staff and resources necessary to get the ship of state on a proper course again.
Sorry about that!
April 4th, 2009 at 10:15 amWhich of these are in ultimate trouble? Dawn Johnsen? or all of them?
April 4th, 2009 at 10:18 amkasinca says:
“There is one thing the wingers have not acknowledged: They lost the election. We the people elected Barack Obama to be President of the United States. He has all the rights and privileges of that office.”
Maybe the poor Republican souls need to understand that they need to go through the grief/loss stages and reconcile the fact of their loss so they can stop their self-destructive behaviors and thoughts. Any grief/loss therapists out there willing to take on such a huge task?
April 4th, 2009 at 10:19 amNotice that every one of the RePugniScums in this story are old, bitter, racist, peckerwoods who are scared to death of the non-white majority and future they are facing.
These cowards are so scared they can only stand there and piss on everything in sight while sceaming like a spoiled child.
It would be nice if the RePugniScums could get just one adult to join them and help them grow up and behave like grown-up American, citizens.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:31 amThere should be NO Republicans actively involved with Government as they beleive that GOVERNMENT CANNOT FUNCTION. THIS IS THEIR CENTRAL TENET, AND THEY WILL DO EVERYTHING TO PROVE IT IS SO. Ergo the Group Of Procrastinators
April 4th, 2009 at 10:31 amtom Says:
typo –> With an extremely intelligent and effective President in office, the GOPers have to be more creative in their approach so they are hoping to starve the Executive Branch of the staff and resources necessary to get the ship of state on a proper course again.
Now THERE is a reason for Recess appointments
April 4th, 2009 at 10:33 amBriseadh na Firefly Says:
After 8 years of Republicans clamoring for up or down votes on nominees, it seems they’ve had a change of heart.
Of course if the laws they are trying to get the vote on will cripple the government, they are all for it passage. But, when the vote is to promote active thoughtful participatory government, they wish to defeat it.
REPUBICANS ARE ENEMIES OF THE STATE.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:35 amWhen Reagan famously said, “Government isn’t the solution, government is the problem,” he was wrong. Government isn’t the problem. Government that should serve the people but which is run by people who do not believe that government should serve the people is the problem.
It’s time to stop giving politicians an excuse to keep bringing up the same wedge issues election after election. We need to amend the constitution to settle certain things once and for all.
1. Eliminate the concept of Corporate Personhood once and for all. The entire concept was improperly made into law by judges who didn’t know what they were doing. People shall always have more rights than corporations.
2. Politicians running for federal office should only be allowed to accept campaign contributions (of any kind) from people who they will be representing in Congress. I shouldn’t be allowed to influence which person represents Bill Gates (in WA) in Congress any more than he should be allowed to influence who represents me (in NY). And no money from corporations or non-individuals.
3. Sexual orientation is a personal matter and none of the state’s business, and two consenting adults should be allowed to practice whatever kind of sex they want in the privacy of their own homes or rented rooms (including inviting a third person, if that’s what they’re into.)
4. The federal government shall no longer issue cost-plus contracts, which do nothing to encourage the corporations getting them to save the taxpayer any money. If you put in a bid, that’s how much you’ll get to complete the job correctly on and on time. If you can’t, you’re still bound to finish the job but at your own expense. (And if someone dies because of your shoddy work, your CEO will go to jail.)
but most importantly,
5. The president, vice president, and all persons who take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States are public servants, and are expected to work on behalf of the public. All discussions on public policy matters, except those that actually relate to national security (as opposed to simply being declared to be a matter of national security by the president), shall be open to the public, and records of those discussions shall be made public as quickly as possible. The idea that the president ought to be able to keep the advice he gets secret is ludicrous. He works for us, and anyone who gives advice to the president that they don’t want made public is not giving advice that is in the public interest. We have every right in the world to know to those people are.
I’m sure there are more, but that’s all that come to mind off the top of my head.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:37 amWere any of these Senators among those who, when Bush wanted to appoint controversial nominees, said, “The president ought to be able to work with whomever he wants”?
April 4th, 2009 at 10:38 amSo…why are the Republican Legislators blocking these appointments???
Because they CAN. Our system is set up that way. Congress may not be able to get much done, but it sure can STOP things….often anonymously.
These hindering politicians often come from safe districts (or Safe States like Texas). So the chances of voting them out are slim.
The only remedy which can reverse this is PUBLIC Outrage. A SPOTLIGHT needs to be turned on this issue. Go Rachel.
Dawn Johnson needs to become a household word. She’s the key to the Bush Regime being held Accountable.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:41 amI am amazed at the Republican behavior. They lost the election because they mismanaged the federal government.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:48 amPresident Obama was clearly the winner of this election.
The supreme court did not have to decide it. Obama didn’t just fall off the turnip truck. The Republicans are providing Obama with the very illistration of what is wrong with the Republican party. Considering the fact Obama is a very skilled politican, this is fuel for a take it to the people.
It will be interesting!
Department of Defense: Sens. Richard Shelby (R-AL) and Jeff Sessions (R-AL) announced today that “they are blocking President Barack Obama’s nomination of Ashton Carter as Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics.” The senators want assurances that Carter will not “change the criteria” on which the Pentagon considers a refueling tanker contract that could benefit defense contractors in their state.
That Senators can hold up anything action in the Senate is a privilege, not a right, and privileges that are abused should be taken away. Whatever complaints these two Senators have made be perfectly valid reasons to vote against the nominee (which they would probably do anyway because they are republicans without honor), but they are not valid reasons to hold up the nomination altogether. This is abusing their privileges.
If Senators wish to hold up a nomination, there should be a time limit for that hold. They should not be allowed to hold things up indefinitely. That would be not be Democratic.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:49 amWell it can’t be anymore obvious the Repukes care nothing for the country or its people, but simply their own idiotic notions of “winning” and “losing”
April 4th, 2009 at 10:49 am…
“you picked the wrong fight, senator.”
- rachel
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April 4th, 2009 at 11:05 amGreat posts Wayne and all,…Thank you for taking the time to post your thought’s and working ideas for change…Maybe a few of you could write your thought’s to President Obama, show him our support and ask for more public speaking on these issues through the media….The more the public knows the better and bigger change’s will come….
Sun’s out here on the west coast, I’m off to do spring cleaning and planting..Happy posting all and again Thank you all…P.B; & J
April 4th, 2009 at 11:05 amHave a pleasant day, Witch1. If you see a raven swing by in the sky, that will be cousin Kwaikutl wishing you well.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:10 am;)
White House Office of Legal Council: Dawn Johnsen’s nomination as head of the OLC has been delayed in part because Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX) has ideological differences with her. As the Legal Times explained, “citing Johnsen’s criticisms of Bush national security policies, [Cornyn] accused her of lacking ‘the seriousness and necessary resolve’ to fight terrorism,” while “other Republicans have targeted her work as legal director for NARAL Pro-Choice America from 1988 to 1993.”
From: http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/
Sen Cornyn, in case you don’t understand how government works, it’s not the OLC’s job to “fight terrorism.” It’s the OLC’s job to tell the President and Attorney General if what they plan to do to fight terrorism is legal and constitutional. It’s not up to them to come up with the plans themselves. Furthermore, it’s not up to the OLC to find a legal justification for what the President wants to do, it’s up to them to tell him if what he wants to do is legal at all. The people working in that office under Bush, just like you, Senator, took an oath to support and defend the Constitution. Their loyalty was supposed to be to the Constitution first and the President second.
If you don’t understand that, then you don’t belong in the US Senate.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:15 amWhat I do not understand is why for 8 years the Republicans drove their agenda by having the majority AND NOW AS THE MINORITY they are still driving their agenda.
It seems to me that as a Dem you lose either way, with Republicans in or out of the majority. What is wrong here? Why is this happening? Why can’t the Democrats take control and hold control?
April 4th, 2009 at 11:16 amAnd Congressional Republicans hit new lows in public popularity.
It’s called cause and effect, something Repugnican’ts could study, but don’t.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:26 am“It’s called cause and effect, something Repugnican’ts could study, but don’t.”
They’re like a cat in a burlap bag right now. Swatting at every sound or puff of wind.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:31 amIMO, Dems are beholden to the same military-industrial complex as Reps. There may just be a difference in the strength of belief.
Until you get publicly funded elections, this will not ease.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:38 amnoseeum Says:
OT, but did you get your name from a fantasy book (I can’t remember the name or author, unfortunately) about a guy in an alternate reality who played a magical guitar? There were “noseeum”s mentioned in it that one could only catch a glimpse of out of the corner of one’s eye. Just wondering.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:38 amHi Jane.. it’s me, Raven…
Noseeums are a particularly nasty, and tiny, species of ‘blackfly’ which inhabit northern woodlands.
They are small enough to get through your average mosquito netting.
An encounter with a swarm of them can produce severe swelling and fever from all the bites.
They are called noseeums, because you can’t see um….
April 4th, 2009 at 11:41 amWe have the winger talking points post G-20. Last night on Bill Maher, David Frum said the trip didn’t gain any stimulus the president was asking for. This morning on MSNBC Pat Buchanen was comparing it to a trip in 1961 and said Obama struck out. They are trying to paint the week long trip, in which the president received rock star welcoming and cooperation, as a failure. This coming from a party of NO and the failed terms of the Boosh Crime Family.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:43 amI had a feeling that was you, raven, when you mentioned your ‘cousin’ Kwaikutl earlier. Always nice to see you under any screen name. :)
April 4th, 2009 at 11:45 amThe party of “NO” is still at it. Plus, they are eating their own as this article concludes. The political tone deafness of today’s Republicans is astounding, to say the least. Frankly, I enjoy watching them eat their own.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:47 amWayne Ant Schneider said:
If you don’t understand that, then you don’t belong in the US Senate.
If you don’t understand that, then you don’t belong in the US.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:47 amAhhh, there fixed it fer ya.
;)
Name any screen, I’ll get through…
April 4th, 2009 at 11:50 amThe Grand Obstructionist Party strikes again. They block progress, and are usually unable to give a rational reason for their actions other than “it’s our right to do so”.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:50 amCan Obama appoint these being held up with recess appointments?
April 4th, 2009 at 11:54 amWow. Raven, it’s you….Been caught in the noseeeum’s in the past…Miserable little buger’s….Good to read you with what ever name you choose…The Raven’s were all over the resort this morning along with our resident pair of Eagles and one lone flicker who love’s to tap on the metal flashing over our night light….I often wonder if he get a headache…LOL.
Blessings Dear poster, good to read you…
April 4th, 2009 at 11:56 amThis is harassment pure and simple. It’s no wonder that our President is having a problem filling all his cabinet and associate positions. Who would want to expose their lives to the right wing hatred?
April 4th, 2009 at 11:58 amOT: Flickers are the ones with the large black V on their chests, right?
April 4th, 2009 at 11:59 amJane, you are correct.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:02 pmThanks great lady… I’ll be something of a noseeum in the future, my new job will involve weeks at a time in the Gila Wilderness… no internet, no cell coverage, nothing but me and the next stretch of trail to maintain.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:02 pmGlad you are well and keeping in tune with nature…
aquarius2 Says:
It seems to me that as a Dem you lose either way, with Republicans in or out of the majority. What is wrong here? Why is this happening? Why can’t the Democrats take control and hold control?
Because, unfortunately, the Democrats don’t seem to have the gene that says “it’s my way or the highway”. For some reason I don’t fully understand, they think it is necessary to try to work with the minority party, unlike the Republicans who simple ran the steamroller over the Democrats.
Personally I think it’s time that the Democrats start playing the game the same way the Republicans did and shut them out of the legislative process completely. Let them throw temper tantrums like little kids and keep reminding them that they are only doing to the Republicans what the Republicans did to them.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:04 pmStill OT (sorry):
Thanks, livelongandprosper, that’s what I thought. I see them occasionally at home and at our office (which is set in a disused section of an old apple orchard.) Every time I see a flicker I think of James Thurber’s story about his sometimes unintelligible housekeeper’s reference to ‘fletchers’ all over the lawn.
Noseeum, best of luck in the wilderness, we’ll look forward to your safe return.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:09 pmThe senators want assurances that Carter will not “change the criteria” on which the Pentagon considers a refueling tanker contract that could benefit defense contractors in their state.
I do believe that could be considered extortion. It appears they want the continuation of Bush’s no-bid cost plus contracts. I doubt that’s going to happen and I doubt that President Obama will give in to their extortion attempts.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:11 pmUpdate: [...] Maddow said, “How about diligently doing the right thing right now and picking a different high horse to ride in on, ok? You picked the wrong thing here.” Watch it:
CORRECTION:
she said “You picked the wrong fight here.”
heh.
go rachel.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:11 pmTime for a ton of RECESS APPOINTMENTS!!!
April 4th, 2009 at 12:12 pmGood or bad everything obama does will bother those republicans, that’s all.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:12 pmUh-oh, a-hole alert on the Brooks thread.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:17 pmnoseeum Says:
Name any screen, I’ll get through…
April 4th, 2009 at 11:50 am
We used to call them flying teeth. :-)
April 4th, 2009 at 12:18 pmGood morning, Jane. I believe the book you were thinking of is “Spellsinger” by Alan Dean Foster. As I recall there are three volumes in a series. I can’t recall the name of the second but, the third is called “The Paths of the Perambulator”.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pmI’ve reached the point where I want to see the republican party UTTERLY DESTROYED – and they can take some of the dems with them. The worst thing about this is that the democratic party (with some notable exceptions) still cow-tow to what these disgusting excuses for human being do.I’m honestly to the point where I want to have a new country. They can have the south – and all migrate down there and live with all the bugs (human and otherwise) and humidity. I’m through – time for a civil war
April 4th, 2009 at 12:20 pmJane, we already know Brooks is an a-hole. ;)
April 4th, 2009 at 12:21 pmThank you, Pete, that’s it, I’ve been racking my brain trying to remember. It’s been a long time since I read it.
Morning, Zooey! :D
April 4th, 2009 at 12:24 pmkasinca Says:
We have the winger talking points post G-20. Last night on Bill Maher, David Frum said the trip didn’t gain any stimulus the president was asking for. This morning on MSNBC Pat Buchanen was comparing it to a trip in 1961 and said Obama struck out. They are trying to paint the week long trip, in which the president received rock star welcoming and cooperation, as a failure.
saw maher last night… he let too much b.s. slide… and he should’ve let his “comedy routine” go and finish the conversation…
but i first heard the meme from brad ick blakeman on 1600 earlier that evening… i could be mistaken, maybe matthews, but on MSNBC…
the gall of them all…
frum just makes me cringe.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:24 pmmuzz,
I agree, somewhat. I want the whole country, they can up and leave, and start their fuctercluck of a country someplace else. I hear Dubai has some realestate these scumsucking cretins can keep purchasing from each other and drive costs of their new Capitalististan into the nether regions where even those are have taken up residunce in this new dictatorship will no longer be able to afford things and become the new serfs for the 40 or so uber-rich to step on like the rest of us have been stepped on for over 200 years. It is only fitting to throw the GOP out of the U.S.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:27 pmWhy is it that I sort of like ravens and blackflies…
April 4th, 2009 at 12:30 pmGreat comments! If any of us live in the states that these obstructionist repugnicans represent, we need to call their offices, write letters and let them know we’re outraged at their behavior. I have already called Burr’s office and I’m going to write a letter and call again until he moves his a$$ on the nomination of Ms. Duckworth! Their behavior is despicable and we need to let them know! I’m glad that Rachel Maddow talked about this on her show. Keep it up Rachel!
April 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pmmorning, dbadass…
April 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pmHaving taken increasingly dogmatic positions on issues great and small over the past 30 years the Republicans have reached a dead-end.
I can’t think of a single thing they have accomplished over period that has either benefited the nation as a whole, or at least hasn’t harmed it.
To be truly conservative is to explicitly resist change, to actively prevent change.
Their constant refrain of “traditional values” inherently looks to the past; to what they have convinced themselves was a ‘steady state’ when men were men and women were dependent and whites were an unassailable majority and everyone ‘other’ knew their place and stayed there “if they knew what was ‘good’ for them”.
To acknowledge the change in their political circumstances would be to submit to a power over which they have no authority and no control—which is anathema to the conservative ideology which resists change in ALL things. They simply can’t do it.
Even if their conservative constituents see the need for change, their own conservatism discourages challenging the authority of their leaders, and if their leaders can’t admit to the need for change, where does that then leave them?
Well, they’ve got Sarah Palin, ‘Bobby’ Jindal, Michael Steele, Newt Gingrich, all trying to represent change in the official leadership of the GOP whilst Rush Limbaugh represents the secular conservative base and the religious base appears to be presently utterly unrepresented.
Newt is the old guard, Palin and Jindal represent pure tokenism and pandering, Steele is an idiot even by dogmatic home-schooled Republican standards and Limbaugh actually has no national political power.
So there you go.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pm“I want the whole country, they can up and leave, and start their fuctercluck of a country someplace else.”
Maybe they can all move to Paraguay with Bush and Cheney?
April 4th, 2009 at 12:31 pmExcellent post, 5th.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:33 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
Still OT (sorry):
Thanks, livelongandprosper, that’s what I thought. I see them occasionally at home and at our office (which is set in a disused section of an old apple orchard.)
Jane, we see the Northern Flicker here year round. They have a distinctive call so I usually hear them before I see them.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pmI sent an email to Burr on his Senate Form site and asked what his military credentials are. I do not see where he has ever served this country although he is holding up representation of our veterans by holding up the appointment of a veteran who gave the ultimate sacrifice, two legs.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:37 pmI’m frustrated too but, I don’t think civil war will be necessary. It took decades for the Reichwhiners to eff things up this badly and it will take many years to fix the damage. Heck! It will take a good while for the Dems to get used to having control and, unfortunately, they have their own infighting to get out of the way before much will get done.
On the bright side? I can’t recall a time in my life when the choices were so clear and it sure looks like we’ve had our fill of GOoPers. Who knows? We may even see a viable third, or even fourth, party arise from the fetid wreckage of the GOP with the current crop pushed to the margins where they belong.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:39 pm5th Estate Says:
To be truly conservative is to explicitly resist change, to actively prevent change.
Their constant refrain of “traditional values” inherently looks to the past; to what they have convinced themselves was a ‘steady state’ when men were men and women were dependent and whites were an unassailable majority and everyone ‘other’ knew their place and stayed there “if they knew what was ‘good’ for them”.
…
Even if their conservative constituents see the need for change, their own conservatism discourages challenging the authority of their leaders, and if their leaders can’t admit to the need for change, where does that then leave them?
Actually, your points focus us i even more keenly into WHY they cannot fathom or fully understand EVOLUTION.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:39 pmThis one of the many ways Republicans are trying to make the Obama Administration fail along with the United States citizens. For 8 years every Bush qualified appaintee was confirmed without question. We’ve seen what happen. Now Republicans are following the orders of Rush Limbaugh and without qualified people running the Govenment agencies Americans will suffer. President Obama can’t do it alone and if the American people don’t step up well China is waiting.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:42 pmVery true, 5th.
I’ve noticed, lately, that GOoPers are even phrasing their complaints as “I’m afraid (insert issue) will change“. I don’t think the whole lot of them combined have the courage to face a sleeping kitten.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pmHas Burr given a reason why he wants to block Duckworths appointment? I doubt it as usual its the same thing from repugs. No to anything from Obama.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pmPete – I wish I could have a positive outlook on this, but I can’t. Take what we have in Colorado. First, Salazar gets appointed to a post by Obama, so our governor (a democrat) appoints Bennett as the replacement. So what does he do – he won’t even take a stand on the Employee Free Choice Act, has joined the “conversedsipshitocrats: group, and just a couple of days ago, voted with repugs to force a bill on climate change to use the 60-vote method – to preserve the fillibuster. I will agree to have them go somewhere else – or we could just set them out to sea on a leaky boat. Sorry, I have just had it
April 4th, 2009 at 12:49 pmI often write to repugs and respectfully tell them of my disagreement with them (more flies with honey, etc.) but many Senators accept only emails from their own state, and residents of other states don’t matter because we don’t elect them. It’s a frustrating exercise. I write to my own two Senators and representative (all Dems) but that’s like the preacher hearing from the choir.
I often write to the newspapers, but the papers in my area are all right wing and letters of opposition bring out the most vile replies — no progress made.
What can we do to these belligerent obstructionists?
April 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pmUnfortunately, Richard “Aaron” Burr is one of my Senators from NC. What a waste of time.
His “due diligence” is keeping veterans from being well served.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:53 pmThe Republicans are just trying to slow down the administration enough to game the public attention cycles.
If they can delay action on the president’s initiatives until something comes along that they have a greater chance of dominating, they may leverage themselves back into relevance.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:55 pmNo need to apologize, muzz. I’m just having a particularly pleasant morning and have some extra optimism.
April 4th, 2009 at 12:55 pmMarie,
I feel your pain re. local papers. Mine is fairly liberal but, ever since the Franken/Coleman mess, we have been cursed with herds of Freepers in the comments. Vile creatures!
April 4th, 2009 at 12:58 pmWhat!? The Republicans are using the powers granted to them by the government to make their voice heard?!! Insane! How could they? Don’t they know they lost and that that means they’re supposed to NOT DISAGREE on anything? We should take away ALL POWERS from the minority party! Don’t allow them to disagree! They should SUBMIT–there’s no reason to object to ANYTHING if you’re in the MINORITY! Burr should have NO RIGHT to ask questions, and certainly no right to have them answered! He should GO ALONG and STOP MAKING DEMOCRATS WORK to acheive their goals!!
April 4th, 2009 at 1:14 pmJane E. Schneider Says:
Still OT (sorry):
Thanks, livelongandprosper, that’s what I thought. I see them occasionally at home and at our office (which is set in a disused section of an old apple orchard.) Every time I see a flicker I think of James Thurber’s story about his sometimes unintelligible housekeeper’s reference to ‘fletchers’ all over the lawn.
Oddly enough, I saw a flicker banging away on the wall of a nearby apartment building just this morning. I don’t know if this means the wood is infested with bugs or if this is another not-too-bright flicker. Last summer, I watched one hammering on the metal flashing around a chimney as though it was a handy tree — and he kept it up long after I got bored watching. Big birds, though, so maybe he finally punched a hole through the metal.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:26 pmIsn’t time we start protests outside the GOP national offices. It’s time we disrupting them.
Enough of this bull shite!!!! TWO CAN PLAY AT THIS GAME.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:36 pmeudemonist Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
I understand completely, eudomonist. You hate the troops, and find ethics, justice, and the law disgusting.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:38 pmSen. Burr DOES have the right to ASK questions. And to Have them answered.
IN a TIMELY Fashion. And then let the VOTES be cast.
If Sen. Burr Then feels he has been treated unfairly, he is free to try to organize Public Outrage against an Heroic, Competent, double amputee, Veteran to serve in the Dept of Veterans affairs.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:43 pmHi eudemonist.
April 4th, 2009 at 1:47 pmSo how DO i decide WHICH words to CAPITALIZE and which not to?
April 4th, 2009 at 1:49 pmeudemonist Says: “We should take away ALL POWERS from the minority party! Don’t allow them to disagree! They should SUBMIT–there’s no reason to object to ANYTHING if you’re in the MINORITY!”
Wow, word for word from the Karl Rove Field Manual!
April 4th, 2009 at 1:50 pmThat’s right! If it wasn’t for the LAW these Republicans wouldn’t be able to SLOW DOWN anything! And their stupid ETHICS make them feel like it’s their RESPONSIBILITY to the PEOPLE that voted them in to ASK QUESTIONS!! RIDICULOUS!! They should be DONE AWAY WITH!! IT’S DISGUSTING!!! If only we didn’t have our MORONIC OBLIGATION TO JUSTICE, we could ignore this MINORITY party–but NO!!! We have to have this stupid idea where everyone’s opinion MATTERS! RIDICULOUS!!
I don’t know about the troops–am I supposed to hate them? I can, if I’m told to…
April 4th, 2009 at 1:51 pmeudemonist Says: “…I can, if I’m told to…”
Go back to watching the cartoon channel, ‘kay?
April 4th, 2009 at 1:54 pmOh, hi badass. How goes it?
April 4th, 2009 at 1:54 pmeudemonist Says:
I don’t know about the troops–am I supposed to hate them? I can, if I’m told to…
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You’re funny… but not in a good way…
You’re also covering your own shoe tops w/ spittle… napkin?
So… can we assume you were as equally upset w/ the Republicans when they were threatening endlessly to shut the Democrats out of the process back when the GOP held ALL THE POWER? Refusing to allow Dems to even have a room for a meeting? Turning the lights out on them? Really mature stunts like that?
Or… are you operating on your own, self-serving set of double standards?
Just asking… take your time and think about for a minute.
Are you sure you don’t want that napkin?
April 4th, 2009 at 1:58 pmGOOD and YOU?
April 4th, 2009 at 1:59 pmwhat WAS that weirdness ABOUT being TOLD to DO stuff? I was told to GO to the MALL but I didn’t. I WAS TOLD to be SCARED but I WASN”T. I was told to HATE but I didn’t.
noseeum Says:
eudemonist Says: “…I can, if I’m told to…”
Go back to watching the cartoon channel, ‘kay?
__________
Nice to see he knows his place… obedient little prole, innit he?
Prolly did EXACTLY what he was told to do when Limbaugh was telling people to drop trou and grab their ankles…
April 4th, 2009 at 2:00 pmnoseeum Says: Wow, word for word from the Karl Rove Field Manual!
I was actually shooting for a paraphrase of the first half-dozen or so posts here…I thought it was pretty well on target.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:02 pmeudemonist Says:
Actually… all you really hit was the tops of your own shoes…
Perhaps you should wear a lobster bib or something… napkin?
April 4th, 2009 at 2:03 pmeudemonist Says:
noseeum Says: Wow, word for word from the Karl Rove Field Manual!
I was actually shooting for a paraphrase of the first half-dozen or so posts here…I thought it was pretty well on target.
See what happens when you “think”? You make an ass of yourself.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:06 pmeudemonist, do you translate the ‘eu” as “true” or as “with”? Just wondering. Anyway. Do you know who the leader of the opposition party is? I have been asking around but no one seems to know. Do you know? I am concerned as it really doesn’t make sense to listen to the thoughts and ideas of an unorganized group of oddballs. I think it best to wait until they can pull themselves together and find a voice. Don’t you?
April 4th, 2009 at 2:07 pmThe “eu” would translate closer to “well” or “good”, but also connotes “with” or “together”.
I don’t think they actually have a leader right now. I’m not sure that that makes their thoughts or ideas any less valid, though. Civil rights were a good idea before MLK came along. The problem for the conservatives is that they, as a party, have some pretty varied motivations (or demons, if you will). They want some of the same things, but for different reasons, and it’s tough to find somebody who can bring those conflicting ideas together in a coherent manner that will please all the different factions of constituents without having to fake it. I think, if I just HAD to pick somebody, I’d go with Huckabee. But then, apparently I’m not supposed to think, ’cause I might “make an ass of myself.”
/no need for a bib–I have a desk.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:39 pm//I thought we LIKED the proles? Confused now…
eudemonist Says:
But then, apparently I’m not supposed to think, ’cause I might “make an ass of myself.”
_____________
We keep telling you… you’ve GOT to stop listening to Limbaugh…
April 4th, 2009 at 2:44 pmThe Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity Says:
So… can we assume you were as equally upset w/ the Republicans when they were threatening endlessly to shut the Democrats out of the process back when the GOP held ALL THE POWER? Refusing to allow Dems to even have a room for a meeting? Turning the lights out on them? Really mature stunts like that?
Or… are you operating on your own, self-serving set of double standards?
I take it you were criticizing the Dems for being “obstructionist” back then?
April 4th, 2009 at 2:47 pmSo let me get this straight….
I’ve been posting at TP for simply AGES now, but noobs like kasinca, christopher wiwi, Whenwillthisnightmareend, DaveG, nellieh, Marie, Perry logan, Briseadh na Firefly, spring heeled jack, katydid, Wayne Ant Schneider, dixie blood have all beaten me to a bloody pulp in the recommend count?!!!
WELL! You all may have ‘won’ this round but I REFUSE to accept the change that has transpired! I demand a recount!
“Help! Help! I’m being oppressed! Did you see that? You saw that didn’t you?”
I hope all you islamfascists socialists FAIL! (because all I’ve got left is self-serving vindictive hope).
April 4th, 2009 at 2:48 pmJust for the record, I’ve probably spent a total of about eighteen minutes of my life listening to Limbaugh, and it wasn’t by choice. I get my politics from the intarwebz…obviously a faaaar superior, much more balanced, and completely sober source.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:49 pmYou-demonest,
April 4th, 2009 at 2:50 pmI do not wish to take anything from anyone. We are the progresives and wish to give everyone everything. Including civil rights and freedoms. So, I cannot figure out you hypocrisy. What I do wish to do is to show the GOP for the scumsucking pieces of shit they are. (You included if you are one.) They wish to take from the poor and give to the rich. Take from the consumer and give to the corporation, and take from the Republic and give to the Plutocracy. What the first 50 or so posts said were to GIVE the GOP EXACTLY what they craved. A world filled with Corporatists who will stab each other in the back to get “their fair share” of the ever dwindling Labor provided wealth they have stolen for centuries. I called the place Capitalististan. And I hope to cleave the last remaining power feed of the GOP, namely the Conservative movement. I will do everything in my power to drive a wedge between the COnservative, who I believe are actual true Americans and seperate them from the GOP who are not Americans and are traitors, and only hide behind the cover of the Conservative moniker and power they have subjugaed through the REligious Right, and have twisted every conceivable notion of Conservatism to the twisted preferences of the GOP (Republicanism) to the point that the GOP feels that unmarried high school kids bearing children is a good thing. (Bristol Palin) How twisted the GOP have made of things. They also float the notion that NOT paying taxes is patriotic. They are TRAITORS one and all.
The repugs have a history of not supporting our vets.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:50 pmThey have no problem sending recruiters to high schools, college campuses, and malls, for their war. Its disgusting that our soldiers are being maimed and murderd for an unnecessary war. When our vets come home missing limbs and suffering from post traumatic stress disorder its almost as if they dont exist.
The government should be more than happy to pay for all of their needs. Yet you still see fundraisers for our vets,wich should not be necessary. Duckworth has a history of helping our vets. What does Burr have?
Only a righty lives at a low enough level to attack a double-amputee war hero for petty tactical reasons.
R’s – fit for nothing other than procesution.
pretenders to integrity, defenders of treachery, blind and numb to the shame they’ve earned and own.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:50 pmAlecto Says:
You-demonest,
I do not wish to take anything from anyone.
…I hope to cleave the last remaining power feed of the GOP, namely the Conservative movement.
Err…ummm…but…
April 4th, 2009 at 2:57 pmYou Demonist conflates the Conservative party with the GOP. He was asked about a GOP leader and responded with:
I don’t think they actually have a leader right now. I’m not sure that that makes their thoughts or ideas any less valid, though. Civil rights were a good idea before MLK came along. The problem for the conservatives is that they, as a party, have some pretty varied motivations (or demons, if you will). They want some of the same things, but for different reasons, and it’s tough to find somebody who can bring those conflicting ideas together in a coherent manner that will please all the different factions of constituents without having to fake it.
Which is my whole point. They hide behind the skirts of the Conservatives whenever they need to defend the Republicans. It is GOP leader we are looking for. Conservatives can speak for themselves.
April 4th, 2009 at 2:57 pmeudemonist Says:
“Just for the record, etc…”
jake, is that you?
April 4th, 2009 at 2:58 pmAnd the whole notion of:
” conservatives is that they, as a party, have some pretty varied motivations”
Oh PUHLEEEEZE….NOT!
April 4th, 2009 at 2:59 pmAlecto Says:
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You Demonist conflates the Conservative party with the GOP.
There’s a Conservative Party? I wasn’t aware. I thought it was the Republicans who tried to represent conservative values. My bad.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:01 pmYou Demonist,
April 4th, 2009 at 3:02 pmThe GOP hijacked the Conservative movement right after Eishnower. Look it up. Buy a clue.
Can hardly see this damn text box. adb keyboard
April 4th, 2009 at 3:03 pmWhat? BUY? Why is it always about money with you? Won’t you think of the poor and clueless?
/not Jake
April 4th, 2009 at 3:04 pmObviously, stupid schmucks like you do not take that which is free as actually having value. If it has value in the GOoper wold it has to cost something. So, the only way your likes will actually listen to anything is if you spend money on it. Otherwise, if its free, then everyone can have it, and that is why Truth is something that the GOP feels they have the rights to, since they have bought and sold the newspapers, the TV stations, the Radio waves, and the rest of the MSM. How can the free “Interwebz” be good or worth anything, no one had to pay for it.
You should look that up while you visit the FREE library.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:08 pmDick
eudemonist Says: “/not Jake”
Yeah, I know, you just read from the same field manual.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:10 pmThere’s nothing conservative about the reckless radicals of the GOP. Conservatives wouldn’t invade a country “by mistake” And they wouldn’t vote as a block against a Bill that they proudly claim “nobody has even read”. They are morally, and intellectually, undeserving of leadership. Seriously. WTF kind of idiot screeches opposition to legislation they haven’t read?
April 4th, 2009 at 3:10 pmRecess appointments?
April 4th, 2009 at 3:14 pmYou Demonist mumbled:
“There’s a Conservative Party? I wasn’t aware.”
Of course you are not aware of that. You have been suffocating that party ever since the 50s. The GOP are the Fascists from the Prescott Bush days and WOrld War II, you know href=http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/53-index.html “Gen Smedley Butler and all”. The GOP has tied the Conservative Party up, and has been forcibly raping it for over half a century. I think the last place it was known to be located was Karl Rove’s basement.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:14 pmMarie Says:
I often write to repugs and respectfully tell them of my disagreement with them (more flies with honey, etc.) but many Senators accept only emails from their own state, and residents of other states don’t matter because we don’t elect them. It’s a frustrating exercise. I write to my own two Senators and representative (all Dems) but that’s like the preacher hearing from the choir.
I often write to the newspapers, but the papers in my area are all right wing and letters of opposition bring out the most vile replies — no progress made.
What can we do to these belligerent obstructionists?
April 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Marie,
Here’s an idea that came to me while reading your post. If there’s a Senator or Representative who doesn’t accept e-mails from non-constituents that you wish to express your opinion to, then write a letter on the subject to your own Senator or Representative and ask them to deliver a copy of it to their colleague’s office. Just a thought.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:18 pmI bet there are a LOT of Recess Appointment Contracts just a’sittin on President Obama’s desk. Jest a’sittin’ and a’waitin’. MmmmmHmmmm. Yep.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:18 pm….Oh, please forgive me for interrupting the boring idiotic TROLL SPAT. Sheesh. Remember everyone:
“When a wise man argues with a fool it’s impossible to tell which is which.”
April 4th, 2009 at 3:19 pmeudemonist, you keep up the arrogant form of optimism that won you Neanderthals 2006 & 2008.
Senator Burr is not a safe bet for 2010. In fact, he’s likely toast. He’s not going to pick up a career in the senate with his radical ideology in my state. The era of Helms is over.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:22 pmdemonist,
So yours is the party of great ideas, huh? Tell me, when will that great economy be delivered from the $2.4 trillion in tax cuts mostly benefiting the wealthy?
April 4th, 2009 at 3:26 pmBoy, you’re really a friendly guy, Alecto. So far, I’m a dick, a stupid schmuck, and (possibly) a scum-sucking piece of shit and a traitor. I sure am glad you’re the one protecting my civil rights and freedoms.
Libraries don’t cost anything? Really? Look deeper, maybe…
pete Says:
WTF kind of idiot screeches opposition to legislation they haven’t read?
I would guess the same kind of idiot that calmly professes support for it.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:28 pmeudemonist Says:
I take it you were criticizing the Dems for being “obstructionist” back then?
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Please cite some CLEAR examples of obstructionist behavior…
John Bolton doesn’t count.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:34 pmMegaloptera McWars Says:
So yours is the party of great ideas, huh? Tell me, when will that great economy be delivered from the $2.4 trillion in tax cuts mostly benefiting the wealthy?
I don’t really think it’s a “great economy.” I think it’s been an artificial construct for some time and that redistribution of wealth is coming, on a global scale. The inequalities that get talked about so much here apply to the world population as well, and we’re all on the top end of it.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:35 pmThe Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity Says:
Please cite some CLEAR examples of obstructionist behavior…
If you say Democrats never tried to block or delay anything the Republicans did, I’ll just trust you. Seems pretty irresponsible of them, though…
April 4th, 2009 at 3:38 pmYou Demonist,
All those labels are valid for you. Scum-sucking, traitorous, dick, shcmuck. Oh, maybe I can add dirtbag troll.
Zooey, is the correct form: “Dirtbag Troll” or lower case, “dirtbag troll”. I never was good with citalization
April 4th, 2009 at 3:40 pmFirst of all, Wayne Ant Schneider, big kudos to you for your intelligent posts – what a joy to read them!!!
And you know what, guys? The Repukes have been calling us “haters” for the last umpty-ump years, and I think I’m just about ready to own it…
I HATE FRIGGIN’ REPUBLICANS!!!!!! Worthless, greedy, stupid (very stupid!!!) bigoted festering piles of shite!
*whew* That felt kinda good. ;o)
April 4th, 2009 at 3:40 pmDAMN “Capitalization” I need some new eyes, I hope Universal Healthcare comes soon.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:40 pmAlecto,
That would be piss-soaked troll. ;)
April 4th, 2009 at 3:41 pmPresident Obama’s trip to Europe appears to have been quite a success. At the barginning table he won a few and lost a few.
That is how negotiations go. I was pleased to learn that popular acceptance of Obama was a fanominal success as reported by public radio. This a stark contrast to our last president. At home, I believe he is slowly building a historic base, not in any small part due to present Republican party. The Republicans don’t have to worry about the hardcore,it is the part of the base that that believes in this country and does have the countries’ best interests at
heart. The Republican party is letting these people down big time. I am wondering if instead of a third party, disenfrancised Republicans will switch over? This was observed somewhat during the election. The present Republicans party will marginalize itself into irrevelantency. We may be in the middle of something big.
President Obama is turning out to be an example of the best this country has to offer. People want to be on a team like this. The alternintive is not very appealing!!!!!
pontificating, but humbly flight
April 4th, 2009 at 3:42 pmeudemonist Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
You’re the Eudomonist, enlighten us about the true path to happiness.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:42 pmeudemonist… reviewing your posts (and taking your moniker into account) I think you’ve waded in here with a degree of sarcasm and irony that appears to many to be trite.
Sarcasm is appreciated and enjoyed, but sarcasm in the first ‘meeting’ reflects a naivety or ignorance that is easily construed as aggression and disruptive agitation—which the vast majority here have endured for years, and have little patience for.
I’d suggest you drop the instant sarcasm for a bit and offer up some simple rational and informed perspective in your comments and that we we can ALL regain our bearings.
You don’t have to jump through hoops to prove yourself, but you are the new guy here and if you want to join in you have to fit in first–and means a little circumspection in the style and content of your initial comments
April 4th, 2009 at 3:43 pmflight Says:
President Obama is turning out to be an example of the best this country has to offer. People want to be on a team like this. The alternintive is not very appealing!!!!!
pontificating, but humbly flight
April 4th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
I felt proud that President Obama was at the G20, and the other leaders were so pleased to meet him and spend time with him — rather than looking slightly embarrassed, like they did around GWB.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:45 pmOh, you’re about as good with citalization as you are with spelling…
Like I said, glad you’re one of the good guys. If the Republicans are meaner, nastier, and more prejudiced than you, they must be pretty bad. Hooray for respect for miniorities and their beliefs!
/now shut up before I come kick your ass
April 4th, 2009 at 3:46 pm//…’cause I’m internet tough like that
///guilty of trolling, though…blame boredom (which SOCIETY caused!!!).
demonist,
Your response is confusing and seemingly pointless.
When Bush cut taxes for the wealthy, the sell was that it would do wonders for the economy.
We are now in a deep recession.
Just when will the advertised benefits of $2.4 trillion in tax cuts kick in?
April 4th, 2009 at 3:49 pmBlocking an injured Iraq War vet from Veteran’s Affairs. Did she not lose enough limbs for the GOP?
April 4th, 2009 at 3:54 pmdemonist,
Your over-confidence, evidenced by your constant sarcasm, gives the impression that you think your party has something going for itself when it is in tatters, and democrats are some kind of joke despite having a unifying voice with good ideas. People voted you guys out and I don’t believe that will end anytime soon with the resistance to improvement and change.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:56 pmIt seems all the Repubs are stuck on step 1 and/or 2:
1 Denial
April 4th, 2009 at 3:56 pm2 Anger
3 Bargaining
4 Depression
5 Acceptance
There’s a lot more incoherent babbling than sarcasm out of this troll, by the way. His tone is evident but his message is best left to a code-breaker.
April 4th, 2009 at 3:59 pmHey Demonist,
April 4th, 2009 at 4:03 pmI do not PREJUDGE anyone. I have spent the last 8 years living the piece of shit life your policies forced s to live, so this is a POSTJUDICE. I hate you for your policies and beliefs of which you have subjugated the U.S. to for the last 8 years.
What is with the awaiting moderation???
eudemonist…
could you help me (at least) help me out a bit here. because you and everyone else are getting into an unproductive and tedious pissing match fueled by some assumptions on both sides.
The topic of the post is the obstruction of nominees for important positions in general, of which the opposition to ammy Duckworth’s nomination seems to many, ridiculous.
So, 1) do you think Tammy Duckworth is qualified for the postion she’s been nominated for, adn
2)Why do you think Burr objects to her nomination?
Forget the larger comparative issues, just stick to the points above. What do you think? (and take your time)
April 4th, 2009 at 4:04 pm/troll
It’s the Republicans doing their jobs (as they see them) as best they are able. They can’t stop anything, they can’t really change any outcomes. (This is speaking more about obstructionism overall, not specifically to these appointments.) They see a lot of the things the President wants to do as bad choices for America, so they, as part of their obligation to their people, feel it’s their duty to impede when possible. Some of that impediment is, plainly, for purely political, partisan reasons. They’re just using all the tools given to them to do it, which is what the tools are for…checks and balances and all that. The other party in the same position would (and SHOULD!) do the same thing. It’s not a WINNING strategy, but a delaying one, until one can regroup ones forces to the point that one can actually compete. I really was shamelessly trolling, amused by all the Reichwing loser repug outrage.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:12 pm5th asks the Demon:
“What do you think? (and take your time)”
Yes, we would not want you to hurt yourself untwisting your brain from the circlejerk status it has gotten into from drinking all the koolaid. Then you would call your self a victim like you did above.
guilty of trolling, though…blame boredom (which SOCIETY caused!!!)
What a fcuking pussy.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:13 pmThere’s really an easy solution to this problem. The question is whether the Obama administration has the resolve to employ it. Make it clear that such “holds” can cut both ways.
Send out an emergency general executive directive requiring an immediate reassessment of ANY additional spending by the affected agency in that state and that ALL such spending shall cease for ANY purpose until such an internal review can be completed. This should allow just enough time to investigate the potential for inappropriate political interference in agency affairs. The length of the internal review can surprisingly last just about as long as these “holds” continue. In the meantime, all agency spending will be routed through other agency offices in other states not subject to potential political interference of agency business by various senators who are lobbying on behalf of particular corporations by placing their “picks” to oversee agency management.
The Obama administration has to decide whether it wants to accomplish the people’s business or simply allow the obstructionists to rule the day.
Write the WH and ask that they immediately cease the appropriate federal spending by various agency offices until we can be sure that undue political influence is not be put on agency activities pertaining to the hiring and placement of agency personnel.
A good place to start might be freezing further consideration of Alabama based agency funding for contracts with the Northrup Grumman Corporation until it can be determined whether Senator Shelby and the corporation are inappropriately using his office to unduly influence contract work on the pending Air Force tanker. Americans have the right to expect that these decisions are completed WITHOUT political influence.
There is simply no good reason to subsidize Senator Shelby’s lobbying on behalf of the Northrup Grumman Corporation, when such efforts may result in excessive and unnecessary costs to the US taxpayer.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:14 pmThe piss soaked troll mumbled:
“I really was shamelessly trolling, amused by all the Reichwing loser repug outrage.”
See two can have fun at the same time diskhead.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:15 pmDICKHEAD. Oy!
April 4th, 2009 at 4:16 pm“He’s doing his due diligence … to ensure that veterans have the best representation possible,” — Burr spokesperson
The Bush republicans gave virtually no scrutiny to crony hires, but an immensely qualified nominee needs a little more of that deep-fried double-checkin’.
Right-wingers seem to hate the VA as much as they love the Pentagon. Their view of the Pentagon is “set it” and the VA “forget it.”
April 4th, 2009 at 4:17 pmdemonist: It’s the Republicans doing their jobs … as best they are able.
And the best they are able isn’t very able. Able to destruct, yes, but they should take it someplace else and not use the constitutional construct of government to drop ideological bombs.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:21 pmSorry, 5th, had to work for a minute.
I really don’t know ANYTHING about Tammy Duckworth, other than that she’s an amputee vet. I also know basically nothing about what an Assistant Secretary at the Department of Veteran’s Affairs does. Vet + Veteran’s Affairs seems pretty no-brainer to me, but we’ve already established I’m not supposed to think. Burr supposedly has questions, though, and, since I know SO little of the situation, I can’t tell you whether they’re valid or relevant or wholly fictional.
I think (there I go again!!!) Burr really should release whatever questions it is he’s waiting on responses to publicly, like RIGHT NOW, and Duckworth should post her responses publicly, like five minutes later.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:24 pmI would like to add one small rejoinder to my previous post.
Rather than simply watch the right wing fanatics and their corporate financiers further obstruct while standing back with only further hand-wringing, I suggest that more progressive elements of the body politic consider adopting the two following principles, when encountering political obstructionism:
1) Make it clear that you agree with them that our democracy gives them the right to express their disagreement with progressive policies,
however,
2) also make it abundantly clear that they and not the American public should be the one’s who shall pay for advancing nonsense and obstacles to progress. If they want America to fail, they have that right, but they shouldn’t expect the taxpayer to subsidize their efforts.
I’m personally sick and tired of subsidizing idiocy and political fanaticism simply because some can so easily pass the costs of their stupidity onto me and the rest of the American public.
Be creative, but be sure MAKE THEM PAY pay for the cost of their obstructionism and self-aggrandizement. Organization is one way to insure that they will pay.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:29 pmcont …
They see a lot of the things the President wants to do as bad choices for America
No, the Republicans whine about any possible way forward in America’s name because solving the problems they caused would make their failed ideology look worse than it already is. They don’t want solutions because that would seal the deal on their legacy as one giant problem. And since they don’t have any new ideas, they’re up in arms to guard their ideological dumpster. It’s all they’ve got, and they’re seeking a continuance.
…checks and balances and all that
Now the minority seeks to get all representative when their beloved leader called the constitution a “goddamn piece of paper.”
Sorry, pal, nobody’s buying it. Want to know why? Sign up for a course in the History Dept.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:33 pmVote each and everyone of the RepubliCons out!
April 4th, 2009 at 4:34 pmThe fact that Senator Burr can not tell anyone what his questions are make it clear to all that all he is trying to accomplish is to slow things down and impede progress (OBSTRUCT), while using his political influence behind the scenes to extract contract concessions from the VA for his contributors.
Its time to find out who Senator Burr is representing and what its going to cost taxpayers. The additional delay is ALREADY costing us, my guess is already more than $100,000 in loss of productive work and waste of staffer’s and agency time in just a few days. How much more in additional costs does Senator Burr expect taxpayers to pay for his grandstanding? Don’t his constituents have anything more important that they want him spending his time AND OUR MONEY on?
April 4th, 2009 at 4:38 pm“Burr is waiting for the answers to several questions he’s put to the White House and Duckworth, but would not disclose what those questions were.”
Question A: How many beans are there in the jar?
April 4th, 2009 at 4:38 pmQuestion B: Will Michigan State win?
Question C: Where is Joe the Plumber?
Question D: Why did the chicken cross the road?
Think Progress?
Let me see if I get this right: if I do not think like you do, if I have rational arguments against what you are blindly following, if I question your philosophies, then I am something like (and I quote here):
a “silly, obstructionist”
an “anti-american obstructionist repukie”
a “Reich-winger”
an “old, bitter, racist, peckerwood”
a “partisan to the point of treason”
a “disgusting excuse for human being”
These are just a sampling. And I am not even a member of the Republican party – I just don’t happen to think spending $10 trillion dollars into debt is a “good” thing, I don’t think appointing a guy who cheated on his taxes to the Secretary of Treasury position says a whole lot about a person’s ethics, and I don’t happen to think name calling is, let me see – how did Dixie Blood put it, acting like a “grown up American”.
If I understand your precepts here, minorities are supposed to have rights, the people who are not in power are supposed to have a voice to represent them, and everyone is supposed to be able to think and present rational thought out ideas. If these comments are any reflection of how the people of this website really think, is there any rational reason I would ever want to support any of your so-called values when you do not believe in them yourself.
I know I will probably be crucified (wait, that is a religious reference, isn’t it – I suppose I should use a better term, but I thought I would just fuel the fire of retaliation here – by the way, I am not a member of any church, have never been, but I don’t condemn people who are) for daring to challenge you who post here to really think and not just fling stones. When people refer to those of you who actually think like you write here as irrational lunatics, maybe if you stepped back and actually read some of this stuff you would understand the reason they think your ideas are off the reservation.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:43 pmOops, gotta go.
Thanks for having me!
April 4th, 2009 at 4:43 pmHaving you what?
April 4th, 2009 at 4:45 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
**yawn**
You can criticize US when your moniker doesn’t reflect YOUR hate.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:48 pmFollow the bloody brick road (GOP) and behind the curtain you’ll find not a burly man, but a whiny, chickenhawk can-dish-it-out-but-can’t-take-it brat in WhatIsWithYouHaters.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:48 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters Says: “I just don’t happen to think spending $10 trillion dollars into debt is a “good” thing,”
Got to remember that Obama is including the cost of the Afghan and Iraq wars in those figures. Something Dufous Bush always managed to forget…
Oh, and, cute screen name… nice prelude to your statement: “…and I don’t happen to think name calling is, let me see – how did Dixie Blood put it, acting like a “grown up American”.”
April 4th, 2009 at 4:50 pm“Why can’t the Democrats take control and hold control?”
They are unable to resist obstructionism in part because our system is structured to make change difficult.
However, the problem also lies in failing to make obstructionist pay the price for their obstructionism. Take for example Senator Cornyn, one of the great grandstanding obstructionists.
It seems like high time for progressives to demand that their elected Senators begin to strip out of all budgets any of his favorite programs that benefit his political cronies and financiers. It is only in that way that their is a price to be paid for obstructionism.
Stop whining and get to work!
April 4th, 2009 at 4:51 pmeudemonist Says:
Thanks for your specific reply.
Here’s my summary of your path through this thread:
The Post subject focuses on Rep. Burr’s secret objections to Tammy Duckworth’s nomination as Asst. Sec. for Veterans Affairs as an example of GOP obstructionism.
The thread then expands upon issues the post raises.
Your opening comment at #91 is “What!? The Republicans are using the powers granted to them by the government to make their voice heard?!! Insane! How could they? Don’t they know they lost and that that means they’re supposed to NOT DISAGREE on anything?”
Obviously sarcastic, but all that was necessary for the joke is the above excerpt.
You over-did it. Nuance is an adult, liberal trait. So alarms began to sound…
I have to go to the store right now, back in about 15 minutes and I shall continue this exposition… (4.50 pm ET right now, so about half an hour for me to shop , get back and type some more)
April 4th, 2009 at 4:52 pmLooking forward to it, 5th. ;)
April 4th, 2009 at 4:53 pmMegaloptera,
You are making my point for me. I posted a reasoned question, and the only thing you can reply with is calling me a “whiny, chickenhawk can dish it out but can’t take it brat”?
Why is it you can’t respond to the question without resorting to this kind of tirade?
For the record, I would not call 8 1/2 years of service as an enlisted man, with a son in the military, a “chicken hawk”.
Your response is not really worthy of this reply, but maybe I can trigger some stray thought in your head…
April 4th, 2009 at 4:53 pmI think we really need to look at pro-choice nomoniees very carefully. I don’t care about her service, or her agenda to help veterans. We need to be alittle more inpartial. I seem to remember liberal ranting and raving over Bush’s nomoniees for Supreme court because of pro-life view. I find it very hipocritcal of any media to bash Mr. Barr. What comes around goes around. When you democrat actually feel like compromising it would be a historical first. Your Ideals should not take precident over other ideals. This lady has a history of supporting pro-choice, and that truly is a disgrace to the service in which she served. I can’t think of any veteran that would support this lady. Life should be this country’s number 1 goal. Liberals in media have truly numbed the senses of american citizens by think that abortion is morally correct, they have provably lied about procedures and reason to continue the slaughter. How can you people sleep at night knowing the person you support(Obama) just three days in office thinks its ok to kill a aborted baby that survived the abortion. I know personal a person that survived an abortion. How come you people don’t challenge your own ideals.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:55 pmFor the record, the reason for my screen name is a pointed question, I do not understand the hating rants I have read on this site…
April 4th, 2009 at 4:56 pmTroll, let’s not avoid the question by pushing philosophical crap.
Let’s get right down to it: Why does Senator Burr feel the need to place a hold on an eminently qualified nominee just because his undisclosed questions are supposedly unanswered?
“He’s doing his due diligence … to ensure that veterans have the best representation possible,” — Burr spokesperson
Explain that, please. This is an insult to veterans everywhere. This veteran has done everything to defend her country while Burr has likely ridden a desk his whole life.
His action clearly points to a motive of seeing the government fail to function properly, an enforced maintenance of “government is the problem.”
April 4th, 2009 at 4:57 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters Says: “I posted a reasoned question, etc…”
Ah, ahem, I re-read your post, carefully, and found not a single question. A rambling diatribe, but no questions.
If you think “Think Progress?” is a viable question, try adding enough words to actually form a sentence.
April 4th, 2009 at 4:59 pmWonderful. Now I am a troll. Senator Burr is probably as justified in holding up this appointment as the Democrats were when they held up the nomination of Robert Bork. I do not state this is exactly right, but it is the reality of politics at their finest.
What I am questioning is why are you consistently using derogatory language in reference to me, just because I do not think as you do? Answer the question please – do not deflect and evade.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:00 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters Says:
For the record, the reason for my screen name is a pointed question, I do not understand the hating rants I have read on this site…
April 4th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Seriously, you must know that you are standing on shaky ground when you accuse us of name-calling, while calling us a name every time you post a comment.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:01 pmYour response is not really worthy of this reply, but maybe I can trigger some stray thought in your head…
Keeping track — wasn’t it a quest for civility that brought you here today?
April 4th, 2009 at 5:01 pmFYI – A Democrat is the only President in recent times to do ANYTHING to cut the debt or the deficit.
This is a real funny time to finally chime in with “common-sense” observations about either the debt or the deficit.
Reasonable minds would invariably conclude you are only concerned now for some reason other than common sense concern, or you’d already be a fixture in the community that has opposed Republican deficit spending these last 3 decades.
Bait-and-switch concern trollery has been practiced around this place for a long time, by some semi-adept practicioners. The bottom line for all of them, though, is that they are complete phonies, trying clumsily to sow doubt and division where there is none, and will be none. In due time, all are revealed to be double-dealing and dishonest partisans, engaged in nothing more than empty rhetorical gamesmanship.
Welcome to that august club, Mr. WWYH.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:01 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters Says:
“For the record, the reason for my screen name is a pointed question..”
Okay, now I understand your reasoned question.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:02 pmSorry I missed that…
LOL
Republicans – the most pathetic, do-nothing, anti-American group ever to hold power They care NOTHING about the country, only about their own power & ability to grant money to themselves– — hopefully never again. And if they continue to block any hope of recovery for the U.S. — let’s send them on their way, never to return. A hateful, pathetic, unpatriotic bunch of losers- the GOP.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:02 pmInsulting Tammy Duckworth will get you and your pals everywhere friend. keep it up.
comparing Tammy Duckworth to Robert Bork goes waaaaay the hell beyond an apple-and-orange problem,
it’s either stupid, or a calculated lie – you choose.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:03 pmNoseum, if you read the post, the reasoned question was “why would a rational person want to support your values if you won’t support them yourselves”?
I am still waiting for a response….
April 4th, 2009 at 5:03 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters Says:
Wonderful. Now I am a troll. Senator Burr is probably as justified in holding up this appointment as the Democrats were when they held up the nomination of Robert Bork.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Robert Bork? Are you serious?
Robert Bork got hearings! Robert Bork had a chance to speak his piece. Robert Bork’s nomination was given a vote — which failed. Tammy Duckworth, and the other nominees are being held up in committee.
Sorry, was that hateful of me?
April 4th, 2009 at 5:04 pmamateur.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:04 pmZooey,
Did you see the nomination hearings? It was one philosophical rant after the next, and it boiled down to a single issue – Bork did not support pro-choice rulings.
I used this as just a single example, but should I break out the littany of nominations held up by the left… it goes both ways.
By the way, tombaker, who is the amateur, the person who can have a reasonable argument or the person who resorts to name calling?
April 4th, 2009 at 5:07 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters Says:
“For the record, the reason for my screen name etc…”
“For the record, I would not call 8 1/2 years of service etc…”
Second troll this very afternoon to be so concerned with the record.. are they channeling ol’ Jake?
April 4th, 2009 at 5:08 pmWonderful. Now I am a troll. Senator Burr is probably as justified in holding up this appointment as the Democrats were when they held up the nomination of Robert Bork.
WOW. A tit-for-tat, and more reprehensible, comparing the logic of a down vote on an ideological extremist in Bork to an honorable vet amputee who’s a well-qualified advocate for vets. Thanks to the backwoods Senator, she won’t receive the up-or-down vote she deserves on-time.
What insight into this Limbaugh borg, invoking Robert Borked.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:08 pmMegaloptera, on the other hand…
April 4th, 2009 at 5:08 pmAnd no Zooey, your response was not hateful. You asked a reasoned question. That is what I am asking for. Congratulations to you.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:08 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters Says: “Noseum, if you read the post, the reasoned question was “why would a rational person want to support your values if you won’t support them yourselves”?
Was this question in another post, on another thread?
(You may consider this a response.)
April 4th, 2009 at 5:12 pmI think we’re getting the picture now, troll. No more effort needed — you seem to favor extremist ideology over our vets.
The “concern act”, it’s nothing new. It’s failed time and again, with just one contradictory post.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:12 pmFor your information, Bork was the beginning. There were over 113 (according to Sen. Pat Leahy of Vermont, not exactly a conservative) who he had held up because of his questions concerning their judicial “leanings”.
Fair hearing?
April 4th, 2009 at 5:13 pmNoseum – please look in the post –
“If I understand your precepts here, minorities are supposed to have rights, the people who are not in power are supposed to have a voice to represent them, and everyone is supposed to be able to think and present rational thought out ideas. If these comments are any reflection of how the people of this website really think, is there any rational reason I would ever want to support any of your so-called values when you do not believe in them yourself.”
April 4th, 2009 at 5:14 pmeudemonist Says:
What!? The Republicans are using the powers granted to them by the government to make their voice heard?!!
Not to sound like a nitpicker, but this is not quite right. The Senate Republicans are using the rules of the Senate, not “the government.” Neither the president nor the House of Representatives has any say in how the Senate conducts its business. Likewise, the Senate has no say in how the House of Representatives conducts its business. What many people (such as Congressional Republicans) don’t understand is that the Congress does decide how everyone else in government must do their jobs. Bush may have thought that it was up to him what his people in the Executive Branch could and could not do, but only as far as the Congress let him do that. Being “Commander-in-Chief” does not grant the President the authority to ignore the Law and the Constitution.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:14 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters
You’re the name-caller babe – it’s in your handle.
And you’re the amateur, because you think you’ll get away with accusing others of “fouls” you’re all too ready to commit yourself.
Find some children to lie to, if that’s what you’re compelled to do – you’ll meet with much more success.
But if you’d rather have the rest of these fine folks take their entertainment by batting you about like a shuttlecock for the remainder of your Saturday evening – have right at it – I know how well they can oblige.
Have an awesome badminton match, TPeeps – you’ve got a grade-A birdy to play with.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:14 pmwow, I suggest every blogger to visit Human events web site for these reasons:
April 4th, 2009 at 5:14 pm1: For once in your life you might understand conservitism and how it can truly help everyone in this country.
2: Most conservitives think Bush is a liberal. He has spent almost 103 times more on education that any other administration. To what Result? The same arguement can be made against liberal ed. funding. Throwing money at the issue doesn’t solve anything. Vermont is the perfect example.
a: increase in taxes 12-15% every year for the past 22yrs. and the ed. product(graduates) is pathetic. Gee.. I wonder why?
b:my income is 10% less than any teacher in vermont, yet I have to subsides their health insurance while I go without because I can afford the government’s(Vermont) premuims; so I have to go without, and expected not to be mad either. By the way Vermont is as liberal as it gets.
My point is that by letting govt. take control of every facet of our lives always ends up screwing over the person that pays taxes, lives within thier means. Liberal have created the most unfair tax structure in this state to support teachers with the blood of small business on their shoulders; and they openly don’t care. To me, you liberals truly act the way you claim republican act. It goes both ways, and we truly need a balance of power (50-50) and then maybe citzens will get more involved.
WhatIsWithYouHaters Says:
Zooey,
Did you see the nomination hearings? It was one philosophical rant after the next, and it boiled down to a single issue – Bork did not support pro-choice rulings.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Yes, I did see the nomination hearings. Robert Bork is not only again “pro-choice rulings,” he is against equal rights for women and African-Americans, and would have us back in the dark ages in regard to science. Voting down his nomination was a good thing for all women and minorities in this country.
The point is, he got his hearings. Bork got his vote. He got his due process.
Please drop the “name calling” issue. You don’t have a leg to stand on.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:16 pmsounds like c-y-a and weak excusemaking to me – get over it.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:16 pmThe troll can’t answer questions, he can only accuse others of doing exactly what he’s doing.
The civility shtick from your party is futile when that same party has maimed, disfigured, left mother- and/or father-less Iraqi children and forced Iraqi women into prostitution.
Now THAT’S civility.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:16 pmSpeaking only for myself, I hate what the previous administration did to our country. I hate their wars. I hate their torture. I hate their divisiveness. I hate their rape of our economy. I hate their assault on science and reason. I hate their fear-mongering. I hate that they legitimized the hate of every anti-American wacko on the planet. I hate that we Americans will, most likely, never regain our former place of honor among civilized nations.
But, what do I hate most of all? I hate that they continue to obstruct urgent action to fix the messes they created while they simply deny their culpability. Most often with a smug smirk, a dismissive shrug, and a dig at “libruls” or “leftists” who had little or nothing to do with the particular crisis (there are too many to keep track of) at hand.
Ya know? I just might be able to start forgiving the sins of the past if just one current GOP lawmaker said; “I screwed up. I’m sorry. I’ll do everything in my power to repair the damage”. Alas, none of them seem to have the strength of character needed to admit their own faults.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:17 pmHere is Sen Kennedy’s famous speech about Bork’s nomination, and why he would not support it:
Senator Burr would do well to speak up with his reasons why he’s blocking Tammy Duckworth’s nomination.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:19 pmYou have to be kidding me. Holding up this presidents entire appointment roster because the Republicans have their noses bent out of shape over Bork. At this time!!! The Republican party is headed for the landfill. I believe even members of the Republican part may start taking issue with this bullsh#@. I am beginning to think the Democrats were right in opening up a conseritive branch of our party. Gives the disillusioned Republicans a home
April 4th, 2009 at 5:19 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters “…is there any rational reason I would ever want to support any of your so-called values when you do not believe in them yourself.” ?
There, fixed it for you.
Without the proper punctuation, it is a rhetorical question at best, but came off as simply a statement of your ignorance.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:19 pmSorry TomBaker,
Again, I point out the name was chosen as a question – not as a philosophy.
I am asking you not to believe as I do, but to look at how you are portraying yourselves. You accuse the right of being haters, yet your language and terminology is nothing but hate. Instead of answering legitimate questions to understand where you are coming from, you resort to flinging names. I don’t disagree with everything about President Obama, but I respect his position and duties. I question because questioning is the right thing to do. You choose to fling stones, not me. I do not understand this, and I am questioning why you choose to do so. If we are all supposed to work together, these rants achieve nothing but flame the passion of the uninformed.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:19 pmvermonter Says:
2: Most conservitives (sic) think Bush is a liberal.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Those conservatives would be wrong.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:22 pmvermonter Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 5:24 pm1. Bush/Rush/Sarah Palin tested and failed No thanks
2. “Most conservitives think Bush is a liberal”
Yea keep saying that to bad it’s not REALITY, only Republicans can be stupid enough to convince themselves that he was a”liberal”
‘vermonter’ is opposed to paying teachers well for the good work they do, and is opposed to teachers picking up a higher salary than he commands. They’re supposed to be sweatshop workers to service him, so people like him can grow up to poke fun at them.
‘vermonter’ fails to realize that the state is one of the best for education, protection of the environment, and so on.
Giving back through fair taxation is something that escapes his mind.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:24 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters Says:
You accuse the right of being haters, yet your language and terminology is nothing but hate. Instead of answering legitimate questions to understand where you are coming from, you resort to flinging names.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
I don’t care why you chose your name. You have no credibility when you accuse others of name-calling.
Drop it.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:25 pmMy sincere apologies for the punctuation error Noseum.
I will strive to do better in the furtue.
Pete,
I understand your anger. I don’t like the wars. I don’t like many of the things about George Bush. I did not vote for the man (I bet that surprises you), but hating does no good from either camp. Understanding does. If I can understand where you are coming from, maybe I won’t think your ideas are off base. But if you were to objectively look at the posts on this site, there is a very lopsided level of nothing which explains the case, but only spews venom.
This is not false caring. Pres Obama has put forth the argument we need to get along with each other and work together. What you say here is read by others, and I am trying to make a point. Name calling does not get the point across. People focus on the name calling and don’t hear the argument.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:28 pmI’m not calling anyone names but, it takes a stupid troll to defend the GOP among people who want, desperately, for this country to start solving the problems the GOoPers don’t even seem to acknowledge.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:28 pm“Most conservitives think Bush is a liberal”
April 4th, 2009 at 5:29 pmIn fact since you’re a “conservitives” and you say most of them think that way then most of them are ether.
A. Stupid
B. Ignorant
C. Fools
D. All of the above
Zooey,
I guess I will have to drop it. You are so focused on believing I am your enemy that any case I might try to put forth will fall on deaf ears. I am not that articulate, but I was trying to make a point. My apologies for taking up your time.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:31 pmMost conservitives think Bush is a liberal. He has spent almost 103 times more on education
Abstinence is not education. It is propaganda.
Is your way in life of dealing with every problem, even if you yourself caused it, to call it “liberal”? Does it have the might of Bush’s magic wand?
April 4th, 2009 at 5:32 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters,
How about this: Don’t come here calling us “Haters,” and then tell us how to behave. As you can see, no one likes to be told how to act — even if they need telling. Monitor your own behavior.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:32 pmWe tried being polite for eight years and it resulted in two ongoing occupations, a shattered economy, and a new found reputation as a rogue nation. I’m done being polite.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:32 pmI disagree completely with your comparison. Back in the day, when there were real conservatives, they apparently were against Bork also due to his extremist views.
For example:
“I searched the record. I looked at this distinguished jurist, and I cannot find in him the record of compassion, of sensitivity and understanding of the pleas of the people to enable him to sit on the highest Court of the land,” –John Warner, Republican Senator from Virginia (emphasis mine)
April 4th, 2009 at 5:35 pmDid you come here to play the victim card or make a serious argument, WIWYH?
April 4th, 2009 at 5:36 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters Says:
Zooey,
I guess I will have to drop it. You are so focused on believing I am your enemy that any case I might try to put forth will fall on deaf ears. I am not that articulate, but I was trying to make a point. My apologies for taking up your time.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Please don’t assume you know how I feel, or what I am doing at any given moment.
I don’t think you are my enemy. I am merely pointing out that you weaken your argument by arriving here calling us “Haters.”
I am all for reasoned argument. Go ahead.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pmWhatIsWithYouHaters Says: “People focus on the name calling and don’t hear the argument.”
Quit it out, man, you’re killing me!
April 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pmLOLOLOLOLOLOL
And I, though it may surprise you, used to be more inclined to vote for Republicans than Democrats. That was before they were taken over by reckless radicals and religious fanatics.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pmThe Post subject focuses on Rep. Burr’s secret objections to Tammy Duckworth’s nomination as Asst. Sec. for Veterans Affairs as an example of GOP obstructionism.
The thread then expands upon issues the post raises.
Your opening comment at #91 is “What!? The Republicans are using the powers granted to them by the government to make their voice heard?!! Insane! How could they? Don’t they know they lost and that that means they’re supposed to NOT DISAGREE on anything?”
Obviously sarcastic, but all that was necessary for the joke eudemonist…
…So having noisily made your presence known to an established group the rest of the people ask; “who the hell are you?”
April 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pmnd if the response from the newcomer is in kind ( as it was) well then whole thing escalates as the newcomer is of course outnumbered.
So I for one reserve judgment at the moment, despite what has been said.
To be continued in a third and final exciting installment!!!…
WhatIsWithYouHaters Says: My apologies for taking up your time.
No need to apologize, it was a quiet afternoon till you showed up…
April 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm…
when did backup
change his handle
to whatizwityou8ers?
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April 4th, 2009 at 5:38 pmpete Says:
We tried being polite for eight years and it resulted in two ongoing occupations, a shattered economy, and a new found reputation as a rogue nation. I’m done being polite.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Well said, pete. We have a lot to clean up in this country, and being polite in the face of boorish behavior is not the solution.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:39 pmBTW, hate to beat a dead horse here, but Bork also did not believe in a fundamental right to privacy.
Other republican senators also voted against Bork as they realized the threat to certain rights he posed:
John Chafee (R-RI), Bob Packwood (R-OR), Arlen Specter (R-PA), Robert Stafford (R-VT), John Warner (R-VA) and Lowell P. Weicker, Jr. (R-CT).
April 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pmThanks Zooey.
I might add that I’ve lost all patience with people who call us “loons” and “insects” because we demand accountability from our leaders. And I’m very “unfond” of those who are stirring the embers of armed rebellion against the lawful government.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:46 pmRyan and fellow commentors, despite these 8 or so hold ups by Republicans, CQPolitics reported the following important facts regarding Obama’s appointments recently:
“Obama has sent more nominees to the Senate and had more confirmed than George W. Bush had by the same point in his first term as president, according to the White House Transition Project, a nonpartisan effort by scholars, universities and think tanks to smooth transitions.
Of the 385 posts at Cabinet-level agencies that a president must appoint, Obama had sent 100 names to the Senate as of March 24, of which 38 were confirmed. In contrast, Bush had sent 40 and gotten 30 confirmed by the same point in 2001. Obama has also announced more than two dozen other nominations that haven’t yet been submitted to the Senate.”
April 4th, 2009 at 5:47 pmI guess “WhatIsWithYouHaters” really wasn’t all that interested in reasoned argument.
Go figure…
Seriously, Robert Bork…?
April 4th, 2009 at 5:48 pmWhat WhatIsWithYouHaters fails to understand that is that most Liberals do not hate in the same way as many “conservatives” do in their effort to rally for division and obstructionism to pursue their political agenda (so soon to forget the politics of Karl Rove?). Rather, we are incensed and no longer willing to put up with the excuses and apologies and empty rhetoric put forth to simply maintain conservative comfort with the status quo. The excuses and apologies simply don’t cut it anymore.
Its time for conservatives to either move on or move out so that the problems this country faces can be addressed. America can in no way benefit by trying to turn back the clock or stop progress.
If you don’t have anything positive to contribute, then have the moral decency to stand back, while America gets about the business of solving its problems.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:49 pmchucko33 Says:
Of the 385 posts at Cabinet-level agencies that a president must appoint, Obama had sent 100 names to the Senate as of March 24, of which 38 were confirmed. In contrast, Bush had sent 40 and gotten 30 confirmed by the same point in 2001. Obama has also announced more than two dozen other nominations that haven’t yet been submitted to the Senate.”
April 4th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
President Obama is working hard and staying off the golf course, he should expect his nominations to be held up.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pm/snark
Hold on just a moment. Now as I recall just a few short months ago, and throughout the entire prior administration, it was touted as being “Patriotic” to block and question appointees. Now with a new “kid” on the block suddenly it’s a low down dirty thing to do. Yes, yes I know “but that was then… when it was an impudent president blah blah” and all the other comments regurgitated by comedians and Hollywood know it all’s.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:52 pmI am die-hard conservative, yet I will not for shame and out of total respect for my country speak of our President Obama with disdainful language. I find the leftists current attitude most unbecoming and hypocritical albeit quite expected.
Pete says “I’m not calling anyone names but it takes a stupid troll…..”
There in a nutshell the liberal inability to look at issues on their own merits.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pmYou bring up an interesting point.
I don’t thing this current crop of conservative obstructionists is really being viewed in the proper context.
I will drop a conspiracy cracker here. I tend to view their current antics in line with the same crew who plotted to overthrow FDR in the 30’s, which was derailed by Gen. Smedley Butler. That previous crew’s intent was to foster fascism in America in order to ’save capitalism’ and to derail FDR’s new deal, which they saw as a threat to their moneyed interests.
I think this crew are the inheritors of the previous legacy and are intent on derailing Obama in somewhat the same fashion.
Soo….call me crazy…but….
April 4th, 2009 at 5:58 pmRomartin16985 Says:
Pete says “I’m not calling anyone names but it takes a stupid troll…..”
There in a nutshell the liberal inability to look at issues on their own merits.
***
it’s a good thing you’re
here to put it in a nutshell.
what else are you good at?
:\
April 4th, 2009 at 6:02 pmRomartin16985 Says:
Pete says “I’m not calling anyone names but it takes a stupid troll…..”
There in a nutshell the liberal inability to look at issues on their own merits.
April 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Speaking of a stupid troll…
(yes, I’m name-calling)
April 4th, 2009 at 6:04 pm“…what else are you good at?”
…taking it back out.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pmand putting it back in…
and taking it back out…
Are there kooky people about? I sure hope so.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pmHi kooky people…
Hey joe -
I think I’m pretty good at calling ‘em as I see ‘em…..
Looks like you’re good at calling people trolls.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pmThere in a nutshell the liberal inability to look at issues on their own merits
April 4th, 2009 at 6:07 pm—-
Pick any issue you wish and engage in any dialogue…. Come on big guy…
“Obama has sent more nominees to the Senate and had more confirmed than George W. Bush had by the same point in his first term as president, according to the White House Transition Project, a nonpartisan effort by scholars, universities and think tanks to smooth transitions.
This is rather disingenuous when followed by these particulars:
Of the 385 posts at Cabinet-level agencies that a president must appoint, Obama had sent 100 names to the Senate as of March 24, of which 38 were confirmed. In contrast, Bush had sent 40 and gotten 30 confirmed by the same point in 2001. Obama has also announced more than two dozen other nominations that haven’t yet been submitted to the Senate.”
In other words, Obama has had 38% of his nominees confirmed versus Bush’s 75%. Also, Bush left some seats without a nominee to even be considered. Obama had a lot of vacant seats to fill. But they are not being confirmed at a faster rate than Bush’s were.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:08 pmRomartin16985 Says:
“I think I’m pretty good at calling ‘em as I see ‘em…..”
Sounds like you’re not entirely certain…
April 4th, 2009 at 6:08 pmRomartin16985 Says:
Looks like you’re good at calling people trolls.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
He’s good at a lot of things, or else I wouldn’t have gotten engaged to him.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:09 pmRomartin16985 Says:
Hey joe -
I think I’m pretty good at calling ‘em as I see ‘em…..
Looks like you’re good at calling people trolls.
***
did i call you a troll?
are you not a troll?
would you like to go for a troll?
***
go ahead and put in a nutshell
again if it makes you feel good.
:)
April 4th, 2009 at 6:09 pmjoe -
There you go with the name calling, but thanks for proving my point again.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pmRomartin16985 Says:
There in a nutshell the liberal inability to look at issues on their own merits.
That explains why libtards won 2006 & 2008, and why republicanism is in the crapper.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pmHey nose,
You put the emphasis on “think”, not me.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pmnoseeum owns the Romartin troll.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:18 pmI certainly did.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pmobama is evil incarnate. His picks are his fellow satanists.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pmHe is our punishment for tolerating the very evils he so dearly loves: the mass butchery of innocent, unborn children, homosexual perversions, betrayal of the USA into a New World Order, destruction of our financial system, oppression of Christianity, confiscation of our firearms, a tax load neither we nor our great-great grandchildren will be able to bear, a government that monitors our every movement, ajudicial system which provides neither justice nor mercy, and, close at hand, secret police and concentration camps.
Many of those ignorant and corrupt enough to vote for that monster will end this life screaming in agony in one of those camps. Deservedly so.
eudemonist...
Now, having been given at least the time of day by me, youve said
“I really don’t know ANYTHING about Tammy Duckworth, other than that she’s an amputee vet.”
Okay, ever heard of Google?
Tammy Duckworth is a major element of this post and what the GOP obstruction means specifically and what it represents, but you chose to interject a comment the thread about constitutional powers.
That’s a redirection and a classic ploy of right-wing trolls. Abject ognorance of the basic subject is also typical of right-wing trolls.
You write: “Burr supposedly has questions, though, and, since I know SO little of the situation, I can’t tell you whether they’re valid or relevant or wholly fictional.”
Why would you think Burr’s reported refusal to explain his objections could possibly be valid or relevant? If someone objected to you being promoted for a job, but refused to tell you why, would you just assume that person had a damn good reason, or if not, well there’s nothing you can do about it anyway?
That’s asinine reasoning–unquestioning of authority that is empowered by intellectual laziness.
You conclude:
“I think (there I go again!!!) Burr really should release whatever questions it is he’s waiting on responses to publicly, like RIGHT NOW, and Duckworth should post her responses publicly, like five minutes later.”
Sorry , but you clearly DIDN’T think before you commented–and nothing irks the TP community more than a lack of thought.
It seems however by your final words ( as I;ve captured them) that you can actually think…but it’s taken all this hoo-ha and effort for you to demonstrate that.
The rest of us here are all too f–ing ‘old’ to have to explain the simplest things all the goddamn time, but one way or another we all end up taking turns doing it, and we challenge each other not to fall into the simplistic group-think trap ourselves.
So, my advice to you is to take a breath, consider the post subject and provide a pertinent comment, rather than introducing a new sub-thread based on some singular comment by someone else.
And to my fellow TP’ers, maybe give eudemonist a break for now?
I suspect this dialog got off on the wrong foot. I;ve no authority here and assume none, but I’d ask all involved to chill-out and start over. For the time being.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pmHey nose -
Just don’t imply I did, that was your point wasn’t it?
April 4th, 2009 at 6:21 pmSo long, pale pussy. Flagging commences now.
No room here for hate mongering.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:22 pmwhite tiger Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
What EXACTLY make President Obama “evil incarnate?” Please be precise.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:23 pmRomartin16985 Says: “Just don’t imply I did, that was your point wasn’t it?”
Implying that you actually think?
April 4th, 2009 at 6:23 pmCertainly not.
1992: In the latest battle in the war for ideological control of the Federal courts, the Democrats who control the Senate have begun to delay confirming some of President Bush’s nominees for major judgeships to preserve the vacancies for Gov. Bill Clinton to fill if he is elected President. NY Times
Rick Klein, Globe Staff | July 2, 2005
WASHINGTON — As Senate Republicans vowed a quick confirmation process for President Bush’s choice to replace Justice Sandra Day O’Connor, Senate Democrats warned yesterday that they will consider mounting a filibuster to block a Supreme Court nominee whose views they consider too extreme.
April 1st, 2008
HATCH REBUKES SENATE DEMOCRATS FOR FAILING TO MOVE FORWARD WITH JUDICIAL NOMINEES
Washington – Senator Orrin G. Hatch (R-Utah) today on the Senate floor chastised Democrats for their failure to hold up-or-down votes on President Bush’s current nominees to the federal bench and the Department of Justice. A former chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, Hatch compared the fair way Republicans treated President Clinton’s judicial nominees with the partisan way Democrats have treated President Bush’s nominees.
New York Sen. Charles E. Schumer, a powerful member of the Democratic leadership, said Friday the Senate should not confirm another U.S. Supreme Court nominee under President Bush “except in extraordinary circumstances.” ??“We should reverse the presumption of confirmation,” Schumer told the American Constitution Society convention in Washington. “The Supreme Court is dangerously out of balance. We cannot afford to see Justice Stevens replaced by another Roberts, or Justice Ginsburg by another Alito.” ?
April 4th, 2009 at 6:24 pmWhy is it that every time I post “stupid trolls” a bunch of Reichwhiners appear to claim I called them a stupid troll? Perhaps they are more self-aware than I give them credit for?
April 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pmIt’s obvious that views on abortion are relevant to a Supreme Court nominee, and not relevant to Veteran’s Affairs. Ideological appointments for cabinet positions is counter-productive and stupid. Michael Brown heading FEMA is some of what we get when people are appointed to positions for reasons that have nothing to do with their jobs.
Our veterans are experiencing a high rate of suicide, traumatic brain injuries, and PTSD. They deserve to be served by competent people who can make the VA work for them. Duckworth has already demonstrated that she is fine advocate for veterans. Her position on abortion is totally off-the-wall not relevant.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pmRomartin16985 Says:
joe -
There you go with the name calling, but thanks for proving my point again.
***
not a problem.
need any help with your shoelaces?
;|
April 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pmwhite tiger Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
BTW, thanks for giving all your power away to the man you fear so much — President Obama.
How does it make you feel when you read the words “President Obama?”
April 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pmRomartin16985 Says:
joe -
There you go with the name calling, but thanks for proving my point again.
If you pissed in the bathtub instead of toilet bowl, I’m pretty sure you’d consider that to be on point.
Victim troll #2.
It’s no wonder the real victims in this world have to take a number behind all the posers who seek to garner sympathy for their lost causes.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pmChange your name to paper tiger and you might be closer to the truth.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pmwhite tiger Says:
Too much faux news huh?
April 4th, 2009 at 6:28 pmI bet “white tiger” is friends with Sigfried & Roy.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:29 pmWhite Tiger. Is that you Glenn? Can I call you Becky?
April 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pmZooey Lepidoptera Says:
I bet “white tiger” is friends with Sigfried & Roy.
***
which one of those guys did he eat?
:0
April 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pmpete Says:
White Tiger. Is that you Glenn? Can I call you Becky?
April 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
No!
I’m pretty sure Glenn Beck is a guy, and you guys are keeping him! :-D
April 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pmwhite tiger Says:
Many of those ignorant and corrupt enough to vote for that monster will end this life screaming in agony in one of those camps. Deservedly so.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Many? Why not all?
Are you having commitment problems…?
April 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pmEither that or his favorite toy is a roll of paper towels.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:31 pmPete, just chalk it up to low self-esteem.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:31 pmeudemonist… and let me add I’m not some self-appointed touchy feely conciliatory pollyanna—WhatIsItWithYouHaters is a new and without a doubt a–hole troll for whom I have absolutely no consideration for whatsoever. An easy ‘call’.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:32 pmI don’t think it is fair to slam leftists, or socialists, or whatever the political correct term is we’re using these days… But I have to wonder about the frame of mind of an “intelleftual” that; in worst case (2003) just under 30,000 deaths in the USA resulted from firearms thus the left feels more gun control is needed. During that same year just over 2.1 million abortions were performed in the USA and the left feels not enough is being done to allow for more abortion rights.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:32 pmI think our Principals, the left and right, are just so different… For example… when did you ever hear Bush say “I inherited this or that problem so whatever I do to f**k things up ain’t my fault” My God the left didn’t even get into the house before they began making excuses for their postulated failures. Mark my words, when everything “stimulus” falls into the crapper the Bush ghost will be invoked anew and all blame placed at his feet.
Hi White Tiger:
Do you want to play? I’m a happy fellow, we could have fun.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dixie_native/1090483796/
BTW, do you suffer from albinism? I feel for you if you do. I guess you wouldn’t like sunlight.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:34 pmHey nose,
Maybe you’ve lost track of your point, but you actually did imply that I think, I guess a “thanks” is in order.
And Meg, Pete, zoey, nose,
I guess old habits are hard to break.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:34 pmgfe54,
Thanks for reminding me. I need to schedule my partial birth abortion before my labor starts.
Cheers!
April 4th, 2009 at 6:34 pmAlthough you’re way OT, I’ll bite:
In bush’s case actions spoke louder than words.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:34 pmBut Zooey. He cries, as the song said, “like a little girl”.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:35 pm“…the Bush ghost…”
Did I miss something?
April 4th, 2009 at 6:36 pmI know he’s been having some fund raising issues, did he get overly despondent?
pete, don’t make me come over there. ;)
April 4th, 2009 at 6:36 pmpete Says: Why is it that every time I post “stupid trolls”
Yup, it is all your fault, pete. You’re a bloody liability you are! :D
April 4th, 2009 at 6:37 pmgfe54 Says:
I don’t think it is fair to slam leftists, or socialists, or whatever the political correct term is we’re using these days… But I have to wonder about the frame of mind of an “intelleftual” that; in worst case (2003) just under 30,000 deaths in the USA resulted from firearms thus the left feels more gun control is needed. During that same year just over 2.1 million abortions were performed in the USA and the left feels not enough is being done to allow for more abortion rights.
I think our Principals, the left and right, are just so different… For example… when did you ever hear Bush say “I inherited this or that problem so whatever I do to f**k things up ain’t my fault” My God the left didn’t even get into the house before they began making excuses for their postulated failures. Mark my words, when everything “stimulus” falls into the crapper the Bush ghost will be invoked anew and all blame placed at his feet.
***
our teachers taught us the
difference between principal
and principle. why didn’t yours?
**
April 4th, 2009 at 6:37 pmJust quoting an old song, Zooey.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:39 pmpete Says:
Just quoting an old song, Zooey.
***
dylan.
:)
April 4th, 2009 at 6:40 pmRomartin16985 Says: “I guess a “thanks” is in order.”
You’re most welcome. I realize you come here for the attention, understanding that no one over on right wing sites give you even the slightest notice. Your infatuation with “name-calling” is a dead giveaway.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:40 pmBe kind enough to express your gratitude to the other posters who bother to toss you a scrap to gnaw on.
‘G’night.
Romartin16985 Says:
Hey nose,
Maybe you’ve lost track of your point, but you actually did imply that I think, I guess a “thanks” is in order.
And Meg, Pete, zoey, nose,
I guess old habits are hard to break.
***
they sure are.
now take your finger
out of your nose.
:::
April 4th, 2009 at 6:40 pmSpelling? My Dear sweet Jesus that is the very best you can do? OK well I guess that makes the left point of view the correct one since after all they got really good marks in spelling. So you were that American Obama was speaking about when he used the word “arrogant” (is that spelled correct you impudent twit?)
April 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pmNope. Chimpy didn’t inherit all that many problems, and no crises. With the sole exception of 9/11 he created his own. Of course that didn’t prevent the constant refrain of “Clinton did it” once the proverbial brown stuff started hitting fans all around the World.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pmHey Zoey,
Its working, I am reconsidering my position on abortion in certain cases…..
April 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pmpete,
it’s “she breaks just like a little girl”
check it out.
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April 4th, 2009 at 6:43 pmgfe54 Says:
Spelling? My Dear sweet Jesus that is the very best you can do? OK well I guess that makes the left point of view the correct one since after all they got really good marks in spelling. So you were that American Obama was speaking about when he used the word “arrogant” (is that spelled correct you impudent twit?)
***
jesus was a good speller.
is he a “twit”?
***
“attention romartin,
clean up on aisle five,
name caller!”
:0
April 4th, 2009 at 6:44 pmgfe54 Says:
Spelling? My Dear sweet Jesus…
April 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Hey, don’t take the Lord’s name in vain.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pmjust under 30,000 deaths in the USA resulted from firearms thus the left feels more gun control is needed. During that same year just over 2.1 million abortions were performed in the USA and the left feels not enough is being done to allow for more abortion rights.
1. How does gun control lead to more deaths? The clear intent is to take the guns out of the hands of criminals. There are responsible gun owners, of course, but there is fear as to whether they will remain responsible. It’s indeed tough to legislate that.
2. You may or may not reduce abortions by banning the practice, but they will continue in the back alley. The goal is to keep it legal, safe & rare. Policies including sex education, wage growth & parenting education will do well to make sure people can avoid abortion as a consideration. When hands-off policies that we’ve had for so long exist, people will turn to options like abortion whether they’re legal or not.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pmIs it just me or is the troll talking to itself???
….why do they all have trouble with spelling???
Maybe it’s a right wing thing…how’s that for arrogant mr. little britches?
April 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pmDifferent song, joe. The one I’m thinking of is an old drinking song. But I’ll be danged if I can remember anything else about it. Must have something to do with the drinking.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pmRomartin16985 Says:
Hey Zoey,
Its working, I am reconsidering my position on abortion in certain cases…..
April 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Your wife and daughter thank you.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:47 pmZooey Lepidoptera Says:
Romartin16985 Says:
Hey Zoey,
Its working, I am reconsidering my position on abortion in certain cases…..
April 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Your wife and daughter thank you.
***
zoo,
as they say on “family feud”
good answer!
:)
April 4th, 2009 at 6:51 pmZoey,
You’re making a huge assumption of my position on abortion – back to my original point of not calling all with differing viewpoints trolls and assuming you have them pegged.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:53 pmRomartin,
You’re making an assumption that I care what you think — one way or another.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:54 pmThanks, joe. ;)
April 4th, 2009 at 6:55 pmHi joe cantwell:
Hope you’re having fun with your troll. I can’t get White Tiger to play with me.
I was wondering if gfe54 made a Freudian slip with principal/principle. It just may well have millions more in principal, which is how it measures success. gfe54 just doesn’t realize the wealth of satisfaction that comes from being principled.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:56 pmMark my words, when everything “stimulus” falls into the crapper the Bush ghost will be invoked anew and all blame placed at his feet.
The Bush ghost has already been invoked for creating the conditions necessitating the stimulus in the first place.
If the stimulus lags, I’ll point to two things: (1) the “compromise” that led to the stimulus being underfunded, and most importantly, (2) the individual states that reject any portion of its funding.
California is getting $50 billion and the governor is wisely accepting every penny. They have been hit hard by this recession, but it looks as if they will be poised to be one of the leading states to emerge stronger out of this than states who haven’t had it nearly as bad on the unemployment front.
How one can consider investments in education, unemployment benefits, infrastructure, etc. as a possible failure is beyond me.
April 4th, 2009 at 6:57 pmZoey
Then you’ve probably just wasted a lot of your own time engaging in conversation with me.
Good-bye.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:00 pmRomartin,
Not really. I’m just hanging around.
But thanks for being concerned.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:03 pm2. You may or may not reduce abortions by banning the practice, but they will continue in the back alley. The goal is to keep it legal, safe & rare. Policies including sex education, wage growth & parenting education will do well to make sure people can avoid abortion as a consideration. When hands-off policies that we’ve had for so long exist, people will turn to options like abortion whether they’re legal or not.
Are you suggesting that if abortions were in some way made illegal that 2.1 million back alley abortions would take place? I honestly don’t know if that is probable.You know most reasonably thinking folks figure sometimes it is necessary to abort a viable fetus (mothers life or in the case of rape) but late term abortions (partial birth)or as a convenient way to deal with an inconvenience. I have been all over the world and only here, in this country, is so little regard given to the unborn child and abortion upheld as a responsible thing to do when pregnancy is undesirable.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:06 pmWas I supposed to beg Romartin to stay…?
April 4th, 2009 at 7:06 pmRomartin16985 Says:
Zoey
Then you’ve probably just wasted a lot of your own time engaging in conversation with me.
It’s not so much a waste of time for anybody around here as it is a ritual. We regulars have to contribute to thread in spite of the troll crap (including yours) that gets flung.
A broom in one hand, another one the keyboard.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:08 pmon point,
i love tammy,
i was proud to donate to her campaign for congress in 2006.
i only wish i could have voted for her. here is her wikipedia entry,
please take a moment to read it. it’s an outstanding record of professional
achievement and service to her country. that any one, let alone a coward like
richard burr, could stand in the way of her nomination is a disgrace.
:|
April 4th, 2009 at 7:08 pmWhat truly interests me is how can so many people be so stupid and hateful. When will you ever get it? Go back and look at the posts on this website. What a bunch of ignorant hateful people. Those of you that insist on one hand that the government is to be feared and watched, are the same fools wanting a bigger government. Obama’s rabid supporters no longer waste time thinking, they just spew hatred. Obama must be correct, because you voted for him. Go to the library and look up “progress”, it doesn’t mean hate, it doesn’t mean high taxes and it sure doesn’t mean government control of my life. That isn’t progress. I remember the left wing hippies of the 60’s. They hated government control. Now they love it. Now that is funny! Stupid liberals.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:09 pmThe repugs are worst than spoiled children having tantrums. Obstruction for the sake of obstruction seems to be their game — they have nothing else.
When reading comments like this over and over again on this board I can only shake my head. I cannot even count the times or the names Republicans have been called on here. Such vile language and finger pointing and temper tandrums coming from and out of the mouths of Libs and all the while they are accusing us! Isn’t that very, very, very hypocritical and immature of the Liberals on this board?? I can see how some of you are so easily decieved by the new administration. And I fear you all are in for somewhat of a devastating awakening.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:10 pmlink
Guess obstruction is all they got.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:10 pmgfe54,
Apparently you haven’t been around all that much. The abortion rates in Eastern Europe, China, Africa, Europe, and Asia are higher than in the US.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:11 pmWell with names like yours, your kinda askin for it now aren’t ya?
Just drop the difor part and you’ll be on target.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:12 pmThe finger-wagging trolls have arrived.
**yawn**
April 4th, 2009 at 7:12 pmgfe54 Says:
2. You may or may not reduce abortions by banning the practice, but they will continue in the back alley. The goal is to keep it legal, safe & rare. Policies including sex education, wage growth & parenting education will do well to make sure people can avoid abortion as a consideration. When hands-off policies that we’ve had for so long exist, people will turn to options like abortion whether they’re legal or not.
Are you suggesting that if abortions were in some way made illegal that 2.1 million back alley abortions would take place? I honestly don’t know if that is probable.You know most reasonably thinking folks figure sometimes it is necessary to abort a viable fetus (mothers life or in the case of rape) but late term abortions (partial birth)or as a convenient way to deal with an inconvenience. I have been all over the world and only here, in this country, is so little regard given to the unborn child and abortion upheld as a responsible thing to do when pregnancy is undesirable.
***
you skipped over india.
:\
April 4th, 2009 at 7:12 pmUh…new name suggestion for you: piddler
Hey go wring your hands over the injustice of it all somewhere else…we don’t need your condescension.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:13 pmDisfordummy Says:
What truly interests me is how can so many people be so stupid and hateful. When will you ever get it? Go back and look at the posts on this website. What a bunch of ignorant hateful people. Those of you that insist on one hand that the government is to be feared and watched, are the same fools wanting a bigger government. Obama’s rabid supporters no longer waste time thinking, they just spew hatred. Obama must be correct, because you voted for him. Go to the library and look up “progress”, it doesn’t mean hate, it doesn’t mean high taxes and it sure doesn’t mean government control of my life. That isn’t progress. I remember the left wing hippies of the 60’s. They hated government control. Now they love it. Now that is funny! Stupid liberals.
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it’s lucky for you romartin has left.
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April 4th, 2009 at 7:14 pmgfe54’s head is ringing with cognitive dissonance.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:15 pmgef,
Don’t assume that anybody here likes the concept of abortion. The opposition to making it illegal stems from realism. I hate abortion but I realize that pushing that view onto society won’t stop abortions or create a society that values human life.
We lag on a number any number of indicators, including health care for people after they’re born, that seems to disregard human life. We have a lot to work on, and you don’t make abortion the path least taken by treating it as a wedge issue rather than addressing the social ills that cause people to turn to abortion.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:15 pmI’ll bite, what do you forebode
April 4th, 2009 at 7:15 pmaugie,
white tiger is now
disfordummy, have fun!
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gfe54 eats his
own navel lint.
:(
April 4th, 2009 at 7:16 pmwhen Obama lets “the world know what these miserable people are doing by blocking his picks” he can also inform the world that it is his Dem that didn’t pay their taxes, the members of congress who received campaign contributions from bailed out institutions and also allowed AIG bonuses, also the same who blocked bills sponsored by Repubs 4 years ago that would have regulated some of the banking that has now caused this mess. True – instead of hate, educate yourselves and look it up.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:16 pmruh roh….you all not cognitive dissonance ring a bell with anyone?
Hey, seriously trolls, I enjoy having you around.
You rot my world.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:16 pmjusthefacts Says:
when Obama lets “the world know what these miserable people are doing by blocking his picks” he can also inform the world that it is his Dem that didn’t pay their taxes, the members of congress who received campaign contributions from bailed out institutions and also allowed AIG bonuses, also the same who blocked bills sponsored by Repubs 4 years ago that would have regulated some of the banking that has now caused this mess. True – instead of hate, educate yourselves and look it up.
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links, wmd’s
who needs ‘em?
just start attacking.
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April 4th, 2009 at 7:17 pmJust The facts Huh?!? Well, don’t be so obvious about what you don’t have.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:17 pmjusthefacts Says:
…also the same who blocked bills sponsored by Repubs 4 years ago that would have regulated some of the banking that has now caused this mess. True – instead of hate, educate yourselves and look it up.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
You made the allegation, you provide the links. That’s how it works.
Not that we’ll ever see this clown again…
April 4th, 2009 at 7:19 pmSo …can one of our lovely visitors (I’m being polite) explain to me just exactly what Tammy Duckworth’s views on abortion have to do with her serving American veterans…?
April 4th, 2009 at 7:19 pmgfe54 Says:
I don’t think it is fair to slam leftists, or socialists, or whatever the political correct term is we’re using these days…
The politically correct term these days would be “the majority” or “the mainstream”
But I have to wonder about the frame of mind of an “intellectual” that; in worst case (2003) just under 30,000 deaths in the USA resulted from firearms thus the left feels more gun control is needed. During that same year just over 2.1 million abortions were performed in the USA and the left feels not enough is being done to allow for more abortion rights.
Preventing unplanned pregnancies through contraception prevents the choice of abortion.
Republican policy is to deny the choice of contraception and eliminating the choice of abortion—a choice which isn’t willingly made but is a choice of otherwise avoidable desperation.
The highest unwanted and underage pregnancy rates are in Republican controlled states, which also have the highest rates of single, welfare dependent mothers.
Republican policies ENABLE abortion, Democratic policies REDUCE abortion, and would eliminate abortion if it weren’t for Republican dogma.
“I think our Principals, (sic) the left and right, are just so different… For example… when did you ever hear Bush say “I inherited this or that problem so whatever I do to f**k things up ain’t my fault” “
Bush claimed he inherited a recession from Clinton (he actually inherited the collapse of the dot-com bubble created by speculation permitted by GOP deregulation of the investment market).
Bush claimed that he inherited the Al-Qaeda threat because Clinton wasn’t aggressive enough.
He claimed he inherited a ‘wall’ preventing communication between intelligence branches prevented the mitigation of the 9-11 attacks (and NOT Bush’s petulant rejection of over 55 warnings including the August 6th PDB).
Bush claimed that ‘social promotion’ had ruined academic standards. He claimed that the medicare system he inherited was broken.
And the Republicans have spent the last six months claiming that the current recession is Obama’s fault, that he HASN’T inherited it. .
Now, fcuk off!
April 4th, 2009 at 7:20 pmAnnie, I’ll make a wager they can’t. One million dollars!!!!
April 4th, 2009 at 7:21 pmWhy do “progressives” LOVE big government? What happened to the true left? The new left are just a pack of hateful dogs that want the US to be another socialist mecca. How sad. What happened? Where did the Dems lose their brains?
April 4th, 2009 at 7:23 pmjusthefucts,
i got a link for you.
Ken Lay , 1942-2006 (bio) former Enron chairman,
ceo; convicted of securities fraud.
political donations:
$641,860* Republican
$58,940 Democrat
$52,150 special interest
total: $752,950
:)
capice?
:)
April 4th, 2009 at 7:23 pm5th Estate Says to gfe54: Shah Mat!
April 4th, 2009 at 7:23 pmDisfordummy Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
I guess you don’t know that government grew the most under Reagan and Bush II.
You’re forgiven.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:24 pm5th Estate,
Will you check in on the open thread at TheZoo? I have a question…
April 4th, 2009 at 7:24 pmA question like that coming from a dummy like you really doesn’t deserve a serious answer.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:24 pmAnd I fear you all are in for somewhat of a devastating awakening.
Are you advocating a terrorist attack on the homeland? Is this your call to arms?
Do you think your comment is particularly appropriate in light of the killing of three police officers in Pittsburgh, motivated by anti-Obama propaganda?
Why does the “pro-national security” wing of the republican party believe there to be a plausible exception to national security?
April 4th, 2009 at 7:25 pmDisfordummy Says:
Why do “progressives” LOVE big government? What happened to the true left? The new left are just a pack of hateful dogs that want the US to be another socialist mecca. How sad. What happened? Where did the Dems lose their brains?
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bow wow.
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April 4th, 2009 at 7:25 pmChina no, Vietnam yes, Saudi Arabia yes, and places I cannot talk about, and in these particular countries abortion is not a celebratory event it is looked upon with some sense of dishonor. There are no “Pinks” where I’ve been and I could only imagine a NOW march in Yanbu. My point here I suppose is until you’ve felt the tiny heartbeat of a child whose legs have been blown away by a landmine slowly fade away then it might be easy to be so vociferous standing on top of an orange crate and find life so cheap. Have the face of that little girl wake you up over and over again and then see if your outlook on things regarding the life of a child changes just a bit.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:25 pmAren’t there any intelligent left wing posters here? Hello? Nobody from the left that can standup their arguments with an intellectual discourse? Did ALL the left leave their brains outside? Anybody there from the left with half a brain?
April 4th, 2009 at 7:28 pmgfe54 Says:
China no, Vietnam yes, Saudi Arabia yes, and places I cannot talk about, and in these particular countries abortion is not a celebratory event it is looked upon with some sense of dishonor. There are no “Pinks” where I’ve been and I could only imagine a NOW march in Yanbu. My point here I suppose is until you’ve felt the tiny heartbeat of a child whose legs have been blown away by a landmine slowly fade away then it might be easy to be so vociferous standing on top of an orange crate and find life so cheap. Have the face of that little girl wake you up over and over again and then see if your outlook on things regarding the life of a child changes just a bit.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
As a former court clerk who manned the felony desk, I’ve seen the photos of a 3 year old child tortured and beaten to death — because he wasn’t wanted.
Maybe you should work to rid the world of landmines, and keep your laws out of my womb.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:28 pmgfe54 Says:
China no, Vietnam yes, Saudi Arabia yes, and places I cannot talk about, and in these particular countries abortion is not a celebratory event it is looked upon with some sense of dishonor. There are no “Pinks” where I’ve been and I could only imagine a NOW march in Yanbu. My point here I suppose is until you’ve felt the tiny heartbeat of a child whose legs have been blown away by a landmine slowly fade away then it might be easy to be so vociferous standing on top of an orange crate and find life so cheap. Have the face of that little girl wake you up over and over again and then see if your outlook on things regarding the life of a child changes just a bit.
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how have you changed?
:|
April 4th, 2009 at 7:29 pmDisfordummy Says:
Aren’t there any intelligent left wing posters here? Hello? Nobody from the left that can standup their arguments with an intellectual discourse? Did ALL the left leave their brains outside? Anybody there from the left with half a brain?
April 4th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
You haven’t done anything but piss and moan about the mean old lefties.
Throw something out here that makes some sense, and we’ll run with it.
Waiting….
April 4th, 2009 at 7:31 pmWelcome, AmericasBack. :)
April 4th, 2009 at 7:32 pmgfe,
Another problem with those who seek to outlaw abortion is that they tend to oppose contraceptives. Which means that if one used protection to avoid an unwanted pregnancy, they’d still receive an earful from the moral minority. For that reason and others I consider the GOP to be the Catch-22 party.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:32 pmDisfordummy Says:
Aren’t there any intelligent left wing posters here? Hello? Nobody from the left that can standup their arguments with an intellectual discourse? Did ALL the left leave their brains outside? Anybody there from the left with half a brain?
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do you have all of your brains?
are you sure?
:::
prove it.
what’s the difference
between principal and principle?
take your time.
…
April 4th, 2009 at 7:33 pmjusthefacts Says:
when Obama lets “the world know what these miserable people are doing by blocking his picks” he can also inform the world that it is his Dem that didn’t pay their taxes, the members of congress who received campaign contributions from bailed out institutions and also allowed AIG bonuses, also the same who blocked bills sponsored by Repubs 4 years ago that would have regulated some of the banking that has now caused this mess. True – instead of hate, educate yourselves and look it up.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Actually, the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999 had more to do with the current financial mess than anything you named (including the things you tried to pin squarely on Democrats).
And if you want to be taken seriously here, and to have a serious discussion (which many of us here are perfectly willing to do), then you ought to avoid the “talking points” crap (like mentioning who did or didn’t pay taxes) when it has nothing to do with the point you are trying to make.
Repeal Gramm-Leach-Bliley.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:34 pmI rarely make any mention of abortion. It’s impossible to change fixed minds and I find it distasteful. However, every time I see someone write “unborn child” I want to sue their science and health teachers. Zygote, blastocyst, fetus. Those are the correct terms and I really can’t pay much attention to those who refuse to use them.
And, I might add, no sane person wants more abortions. So, one would think that the anti-abortion crowd would welcome comprehensive education about human sexuality and reproduction which have been proven, beyond any doubt, to reduce unwanted pregnancies.
Alas, those most vehemently against abortion tend to be closed minded, ultra-religious, prudes who can’t stand the fact that most healthy people enjoy sex and have it often. It’s a biological imperative and those who deny it are sick. Whether they realize it or not.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:37 pmI was afraid of that. NOBODY with a point they can stand behind. It’s all hate Repubs this hate Repubs that. Need big Government this, need big Government that. Ok, I’ll ask a question. What happens if Obama’s incredibly massive spending spree fails to help the economy. How much tax burden will this add to the average Joe Smoe? I saw the debt to be something on the order of $167,000 per family. Of course that’s before interest unless they have $167,000 sitting in their bank. This is before massive problems in Medicare and Social Security are taken care of. So what happens if this spending spree fails and unemployment climbs to, say, 25 or 30%. Don’t tell me it won’t fail. There is a possibility it will not work. Tell me what you think happens when the debt skyrockets and the numbers of unemployed continue to grow?
April 4th, 2009 at 7:37 pmZooey; we were… Joe; I was a democrat.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:37 pmgfe54 Says:
Zooey; we were… Joe; I was a democrat.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Good. Keep it up.
And mind your own business about abortion.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:39 pmThe point being made is if you can dish it out for the Repubs inadequacies then also give the Dems credit for their share of corruption and career politicians collecting a pay check from you the tax payer, that is if you are a tax payer.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:39 pmAren’t you flamethrowers in the minority? If you were so intelligent and confident about the use of your power, you wouldn’t have been kicked to the curb. But you were, in 2006 & 2008, and the cleanup shows no signs of abating.
So DisDummy, where was your superior brilliance when you had the opportunity to reduce the size of government over the last 30 years? Of note, regardless of whether a government is big or small, it should be effective and in the truest form a representative government. Republicans have created a large government that promotes hate, propaganda, & killing in its various forms; a lot of overspending on all the wrong causes.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:40 pmDisfordummy Says:
Why do “progressives” LOVE big government? What happened to the true left? The new left are just a pack of hateful dogs that want the US to be another socialist mecca. How sad. What happened? Where did the Dems lose their brains?
April 4th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Disfordummy Says:
Aren’t there any intelligent left wing posters here? Hello? Nobody from the left that can standup their arguments with an intellectual discourse? Did ALL the left leave their brains outside? Anybody there from the left with half a brain?
April 4th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
With respect, I shall respond. One reason that you haven’t had a response that you like is because you have framed the question poorly.
In order to answer your question about why progressives “LOVE” big government, we have to agree on what your terms mean. What do you mean by the term “big government”? I hear conservatives throw that term around, but I am never sure what they mean by it. Is it the amount of money in the federal budget that makes it “big government”? Is it the number of federal employees that makes it “big government”? Is it the number of federal agencies that makes it “big government”?
We’ll get to my other questions about your post (such as, “Who are you calling the ‘new left’?” and what evidence do you have that they want anything to do with Mecca?) later.
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:41 pmDisfordummy Says:
Why do “progressives” LOVE big government?
Hey winger: W expanded the government larger than it has ever been. Raygun, Daddy Bush, and the Shrub ran up the deficit larger than any, matter of fact all presidents prior to them. When you really know what you are talking about, we will discuss with you.
Keep in mind. You and your party are failures. We elected Obama to president of the United States and he won. He is doing exactly what the majority of Americans want. Now be a good little loser and learn how to sit on the bench until you are asked to play.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:42 pmjusthefacts Says:
….that is if you are a tax payer.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Typical.
This idiot thinks he/she/it and it’s kind are the only people who ever worked for a living.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:42 pmgfe54 Says:
Zooey; we were… Joe; I was a democrat.
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you were?!
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April 4th, 2009 at 7:43 pmWhy don’t you try to become a regular, AmericasBack???? Once that laptop is in order, of course.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:45 pmWayne Ant Schneider Says:
Thank you for your thoughtful response.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Ever the optimist… ;)
April 4th, 2009 at 7:45 pmDisfordummy Says:
I was afraid of that. NOBODY with a point they can stand behind. It’s all hate Repubs this hate Repubs that. Need big Government this, need big Government that. Ok, I’ll ask a question. What happens if Obama’s incredibly massive spending spree fails to help the economy. How much tax burden will this add to the average Joe Smoe? I saw the debt to be something on the order of $167,000 per family. Of course that’s before interest unless they have $167,000 sitting in their bank. This is before massive problems in Medicare and Social Security are taken care of. So what happens if this spending spree fails and unemployment climbs to, say, 25 or 30%. Don’t tell me it won’t fail. There is a possibility it will not work. Tell me what you think happens when the debt skyrockets and the numbers of unemployed continue to grow?
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April 4th, 2009 at 7:46 pmHello Disfordummy Says:
I’m curious, what was the reason the FDA failed to effectively inspect that peanut company?
Do you think it is the government’s job to have oversight over private enterprise?
April 4th, 2009 at 7:47 pm“Big government”? Nope.
Effective, competent, accountable, government that responds to real-world, real-time, events? Yes. No matter the size.
And, if the emergency actions being taken by our government don’t work? I expect they will recognize that fact and adjust their strategy. That’s what people who aren’t stuck on dogma do. If they prove faithless? We’ll vote them out as surely as the last bunch.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:48 pmOops! I forgot to say, stupid trolls. I have a reputation to uphold.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:50 pmBTW. Can any of the doomsayers explain why March was the DOW’s best month since 2002? Some people, with deep pockets, must be regaining confidence in our economy.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:52 pmBack to the abortion argument, I don’t want anybody to get the impression that I’d go for making abortion illegal even if its use were at an all-time low. I’m fully adhered to safe-legal-rare, and I’m sure there are mothers out there who’d agree. I would find certain motivations to abort a child reprehensible, such as if there were a proven gay gene and a decision to abort were made based upon that.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:54 pmeudemonist Says:
I take it you were criticizing the Dems for being “obstructionist” back then?
No, the Democrats did nothing to be obstructionist back then. They didn’t threaten to filibuster every bill that the Republicant’s came along with. They weren’t even able to get any of their bills out of committee and on to the floor for a vote thanks to the Republicant’s.
The only time the Democrats threatened a filibuster was for an odious judge. And the end result was the Republicant’s threatening to “nuke” the filibuster. It’s really too bad the Democrats didn’t make them do it. If they had, the Republicant’s would not have been able to obstruct the Democrats during the last two years of the Bush administration and they would hot be able to obstruct now.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:54 pmZooey; And mind your own business about abortion? Seriously? Oh yes; you want that I would keep out of your womb… Okay consider it done, and it will require no changes in my immediate, or future plans. Stay out of my womb… You are a proof of something too round…
April 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pmMcWars,
I think the abortion cheerleaders are few and far between. I support safe, legal & rare as well. Education is the key.
I just love tweaking these assholierthanthou trolls. :-)
April 4th, 2009 at 7:57 pmgfe54 Says:
Zooey; And mind your own business about abortion? Seriously? Oh yes; you want that I would keep out of your womb… Okay consider it done, and it will require no changes in my immediate, or future plans. Stay out of my womb… You are a proof of something too round…
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gaf, that was gibberish.
:)
April 4th, 2009 at 7:58 pmAw Zooey. You have a new friend. I skipped dessert so I have room for popcorn.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:59 pmgfe54 Says:
Zooey; And mind your own business about abortion? Seriously? Oh yes; you want that I would keep out of your womb… Okay consider it done, and it will require no changes in my immediate, or future plans. Stay out of my womb… You are a proof of something too round…
April 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Since you seem quite literal-minded, I’ll amend my statement to “keep your laws out of womens’ wombs.”
I’m sorry you’re clueless.
April 4th, 2009 at 7:59 pmWayne Ant Schneider says:
What do you mean by the term “big government”?
April 4th, 2009 at 8:00 pmI mean government intrusion, spending and control. Government taking over health care for instance will not result in better service and care for the majority of people. In fact, quite the opposite will happen. Look to Canada to see how pathetic their system is. I personally know people in Canada who come to the US for their healthcare. If your problem is not life threatening you are put on a waiting list. Why can’t we come up with a better system for the uninsured instead of ruining it for everyone? I can tell you why. Politics. The tax rate the lowest 50 percentile in terms of income pay is approaching a negative number. For years now the percentage of Americans paying taxes is declining. You can’t have socialized medicine and schools if most people don’t pay taxes. If you want all these programs, everyone must pay into the system. The politicians have lied to the American people. And I mean politicians on both sides, but mainly the Democrats. Lied in that they have continually cut the number of tax paying Americans while promising those evil rich people with pay for everything. In fact they don’t just cut how much they pay, they send money back to them in the form of the Earned Income Tax credit. Huge programs like Social Security, Medicare, schools, defense and yes universal healthcare are doomed to fail without everyone contributing revenue. But too many stupid people fall for the “I won’t have to pay for my benefits, yeah, let’s tax the rich”. Our system is doomed to fail. The deficit is tripling under Obama and will probably grow. Obama and the Democrats have lied to you. And you believed them. People need to get some common sense back. But it may already be too late.
pete,
I always attract the weirdos. ;)
Mmmmm, popcorn…
April 4th, 2009 at 8:01 pmZooey, Oh you think I was referring to YOUR own womb and not, as you were, speaking in generalities… huh… how precious.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:05 pmWhat is it with people who think there are people who don’t pay taxes?
Sales tax, property tax, fuel tax, social security and medicare — these are paid by virtually everyone.
If there are fewer and fewer people allegedly paying taxes, then doesn’t that prove that the middle class is being gutted? It’s not the poor and working classes who f ucked up our system — they just don’t have that much power.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:07 pmThanks, Zoo!
*Sigh* … another odious Bush minion on the loose in DisDummy.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:07 pmgfe54 Says:
Zooey, Oh you think I was referring to YOUR own womb and not, as you were, speaking in generalities… huh… how precious.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Well, I was referring to YOUR idiotic comment. Try to keep up.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:07 pmWow..the trolls aren’t even making sense.
Just the same ‘ol, “Well if you criticize republicans, you should criticize dems, Obama, etc., too…”
Which is quite the switch from the last 8 years: “If you criticize bush, the republican congress, you’re enabling the enemy, sore losers, being unpatriotic and making us weaker. bush is your
president,‘commander ‘n chief,’ etc…etc…heehaw..heehaw…”My, what a difference getting thrown out in two successive elections makes on their ‘viewpoint.’
April 4th, 2009 at 8:09 pmmr. dummy,
too late started eight years ago.
where were you?
:)
April 4th, 2009 at 8:09 pmI wish “white tiger” had stuck around… **sniff**
April 4th, 2009 at 8:10 pmZooey Lepidoptera Says:
pete,
I always attract the weirdos. ;)
Mmmmm, popcorn…
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me feelin’s is hoit
olive oyl!!!
:(
April 4th, 2009 at 8:11 pmAnother Beck fan? Sigh…
April 4th, 2009 at 8:12 pmI’m sorry, joe!
I meant weirdos under the troll category.
Forgive me…? **batting eyelashes**
April 4th, 2009 at 8:13 pmDisDummy us watching the same old, tired GOP cartoons.
Here’s an inconvenient truth, troll. I’m opposed to government health care because it would take a long time to streamline.
What would work, however, and what the insurance companies are afraid of is government-offered insurance. They’re pissing their pants that they’d actually have to compete and be honest. Senator Grassley, a republican, left open the possibility of government option insurance. Such an option would be faster to implement and therefore rapidly increase the rate of care.
Don’t try to peddle the bullshit that your ideology’s way of doing things is all we’ve got, because that’s just a smokescreen of its massive failures.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:15 pmI just love it when they cite Social Security and Medicare. Here’s a newsflash: Medicare and Social Security, while imperfect, are two of the most effective government plans in the history of the World.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:16 pmZooey Lepidoptera Says:
I’m sorry, joe!
I meant weirdos under the troll category.
Forgive me…? **batting eyelashes**
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of course!!!
:)
April 4th, 2009 at 8:17 pm378. Disfordummy Says: I mean government intrusion, spending and control.
You mean bush’s NSA, illegal spying bill, or his DHS albatross creation with the color-coded idiocy, or the warrantless wiretaps that bush was so fond of, he started ‘em before 9-11?
Not to mention the “no-fly” list that is so secret, you can never find out if you’re on it, why you’re on it, or how to get off.
Yeah, thanks George!
Government taking over health care for instance will not result in better service and care for the majority of people.
But somehow, the French model, rated #1 in the world, manages to do just that. Tsk…
You can’t have socialized medicine and schools if most people don’t pay taxes.
By most people, surely you mean most American corporations who saw 3/4 of their brethren pay no taxes at all.
And I mean politicians on both sides, but mainly the Democrats. Lied in that they have continually cut the number of tax paying Americans while promising those evil rich people with pay for everything.
While the republicans have cut the taxes on the rich, cut taxes on large corporations, shifted the burden to the middle class, and run up a record deficit, not to mention starting an unfunded mandate in Iraq….
Our system is doomed to fail.
Only if the republicans are allowed within a mile of anything…
April 4th, 2009 at 8:17 pm***
eye of the white tiger
the
last
known
survivor
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(Joe Cantwell ROCKS!!)
April 4th, 2009 at 8:18 pmjoe,
I love Ray Stevens. :D
April 4th, 2009 at 8:21 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
April 4th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Awesome! That one will leave a mark.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:22 pmOh yeah, Disfordummy, I forgot to wish you a Happy Birthday…three days late…
April 4th, 2009 at 8:24 pmA proof of something too round… and probably a dude.
Well, not that this impromptu surf hasn’t been inspirational but I have a granddaughter that wants some attention. Seriously you left-wingers got to get over the “We Won!!” thing. You will lose again sometime soon as we all go through the ebb and flow of this political lifetime. Seriously; I’ve been around since Ike and it all changes back and forth. Everything being done by obama will be undone by the next GOP President. I’m hoping for a third party made up of Dems and Repub. moderates. I’ll be the first to sign up here in Palestine. Suddenly I feel like some popcorn…
April 4th, 2009 at 8:25 pmZooey Lepidoptera Says:
joe,
I love Ray Stevens. :D
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my faith is restored!
off to dinner, g’night :)
_-_
April 4th, 2009 at 8:25 pm398. gfe54 Says: Seriously you left-wingers got to get over the “We Won!!” thing.
No, we don’t…cuz…WE WON! neener neener neeeener! *happy feet dance*
April 4th, 2009 at 8:29 pmZooey Lepidoptera Says:
What is it with people who think there are people who don’t pay taxes?
Sales tax, property tax, fuel tax, social security and medicare — these are paid by virtually everyone.
If there are fewer and fewer people allegedly paying taxes, then doesn’t that prove that the middle class is being gutted? It’s not the poor and working classes who f ucked up our system — they just don’t have that much power.
Great post. We all know that taxation among the the wealthy has become flatter in recent years, but if they still carry a high percentage of the overall tax burden, that is because all the wealth that has tricked up has consolidated the tax filings from any number of returns into one. The tax burden could be comfortably shared by reinvigorating the middle class. It’s not anything new, and it has worked wonderfully.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:29 pmWell gang, it’s been fun. But now, since it’s my birthday, I’m going out to get squiffy and seduce some scandalously young girl. Or girls.
G’night, good people.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:30 pmYou too, stupid trolls.
gfe54 Says:
You will lose again sometime soon as we all go through the ebb and flow of this political lifetime. Seriously; I’ve been around since Ike and it all changes back and forth. Everything being done by obama will be undone by the next GOP President. I’m hoping for a third party made up of Dems and Repub. moderates. I’ll be the first to sign up here in Palestine. Suddenly I feel like some popcorn…
April 4th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Typical. This idiot doesn’t seem to understand that although things go back and forth, and government changes hands, all Americans win or lose in that ebb and flow.
I guess he has a problem with as many Americans as possible “winning” as often as possible.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:32 pmI need to say one thing about the abortion issue.think about this you folks on the right. we are not pro abortion any more than you are pro life. We are pro choice and you are anti choice.
It is those of us on the left that teach our children about sex and how to deal with any situation that may come up.We dont treat sex as an evil like you rightwingers do. Therefore the biggest problem of unwanted pregnancy comes from people like you who are against teaching their kids about it. Sex education is to protect kids that have close minded parents like you.
Through ignorance comes unwanted pregnancies. Think about it.More education = less teenage pregnancies = less abortions.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:32 pmTroll, I guess you didn’t have any time to celebrate Bush’s 5-4 win, since VP Gore withdrew his concession. Big chip on thee shoulder.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:34 pmHappy birthday, pete!
April 4th, 2009 at 8:37 pmWell, gfe, I have to take exception to what would otherwise be an agreeable argument. Since the GOP is in an incredibly foul condition, I sense that people expect the GOP not to rest, but to restructure their very being and get off the corporatism and severe hypocrisy. And yes, the backwoods idiots for leaders will have to go.
Undoing progress is not something any of us can look forward to. If President Obama’s agenda works, then it’s to our credit. And there’s no reason barring widespread ideological standoffs that it can’t work to everyone’s benefit.
If the democratic party does a good job, then any fruits should be realized. Even if that means republicans are out of power for a decade or longer.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:40 pmDisfordummy Says:
Wayne Ant Schneider says:
What do you mean by the term “big government”?
I mean government intrusion, spending and control.
To be candid, that’s still pretty broad and could mean virtually anything that you don’t like about the federal government. If you happen to be an anarchist, please say so. That would clear things up.
Government taking over health care for instance will not result in better service and care for the majority of people. In fact, quite the opposite will happen. Look to Canada to see how pathetic their system is. I personally know people in Canada who come to the US for their healthcare. If your problem is not life threatening you are put on a waiting list. Why can’t we come up with a better system for the uninsured instead of ruining it for everyone? I can tell you why. Politics.
Actually a profit-driven healthcare system is why, but let’s back up a bit. Canada ranks higher than the US in healthcare delivered to its citizens. The best way to make healthcare more affordable is to remove the profit motive from it. Healthcare should be driven by altruism, not capitalism. I don’t care how good a doctor you are, if you went into medicine just for the money, I don;t want you coming near my body or my family.
The tax rate the lowest 50 percentile in terms of income pay is approaching a negative number.
Like many conservatives who try to argue about this, you are forgetting that those “lowest 50 percentile” (and I find it interesting that you used the word “lowest”, rather than “lower”, but that’s a discussion for another time) pay the majority of their taxes through payroll (or FICA) taxes. And many of the wealthiest in this country have their incomes classified in ways that make subject to different taxes (like capital gains).
For years now the percentage of Americans paying taxes is declining. You can’t have socialized medicine and schools if most people don’t pay taxes. If you want all these programs, everyone must pay into the system.
And yet Republicans are the ones pushing to lower and cut people’s taxes. Of course, they often ignore the
“unintended” consequences of cutting federal income taxes. (I suspect it may not be so “unintentional”.) Often, the states and local municipalities have to raise taxes in order to provide the same level of services (which used to be funded in part from federal money.)
The politicians have lied to the American people. And I mean politicians on both sides, but mainly the Democrats. Lied in that they have continually cut the number of tax paying Americans while promising those evil rich people with pay for everything. In fact they don’t just cut how much they pay, they send money back to them in the form of the Earned Income Tax credit. Huge programs like Social Security, Medicare, schools, defense and yes universal healthcare are doomed to fail without everyone contributing revenue. But too many stupid people fall for the “I won’t have to pay for my benefits, yeah, let’s tax the rich”.
Actually, the rich have had their taxes cut quite enough lately, thank you. They can and SHOULD pay more to help pay for the programs necessary to keep this country great and strong. And Universal health Coverage is an important part fo that. You know why costs are so high? Because republican Congressman Billy Tauzin passed a medicare bill that prohibited the federal government from negotiating with drug companies for lower prices, and they had to pay whatever increases the drug companies imposed. Once it passed and became law, he resigned to become the head of Pharma (the drug company lobby). Those are facts. Change that law and allow the government to negotiate for lower prices, and our Medicare spending will go way down. (Patents and their exclusivity duration are determined by Congress. The constitution does not specify any time limit.)
Our system is doomed to fail.
Only if we try to continue doing things the way we are doing them now. I agree that a profit-driven healthcare system is doomed to fail.
The deficit is tripling under Obama and will probably grow.
This is because Bush wasn’t putting his war spending on the budget and kept asking for “emergency supplemental spending”. Obama simply put the war spending on the budget, and that’s why the deficit is so much higher than under the previous lying president.
Obama and the Democrats have lied to you. And you believed them. People need to get some common sense back. But it may already be too late.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Just understand that Republicans have done nothing but lie to you. They have never, ever given you a truthful argument to support anything they have done.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:43 pmThe Republicans are afraid, they’ll no longer be able to hold broad sway over health care an an industry in the hands of MBA holders and actuaries.
I hope that lifting the negotiation ban is in the cards of an President Obama-led health care reform.
One great example of government insurance that I’ll repeat — Tricare, the military health provider: $230 yr / $12 co-pays for individuals, $450 yr for families. Proposed increases are on the table since that’s been the fee structure in place since 1995, but they are modest and would amount to nothing close to the national avg.
April 4th, 2009 at 8:58 pmB- to the -ZAR!!
what is it with Righties and their perverse brand of “concern” for the things they “concern” themselves with?
credulity is one thing…..
…this deal is nigh incomprehensible….
April 4th, 2009 at 9:03 pmWayne Ant Schneider,
April 4th, 2009 at 9:12 pmThe more I consider the present circumstances, I believe you need to reminded yourself that government can work for the good of its people, or it can work against them. The Republicans have proved the negitive point with numerous Republican adminstrations running up large deficets, and rendering the government disfunctional. This reminds of the firefighter setting fires to put them out, and claiming what a wonderful guy he is.
Just look at FEMA under two presidents. The Clintons’ made the agency top priority and it functioned very well. Then contrast Kareina and the response of FEMA. The Republicans find no problem in demonstrating that government doesn’t work very well. When you start talking big gonernment, maybe you should think of the people running it. I think the behavior of the Republicans proves this point. These Republicans are the same guys who provided no oversight during the Bush Adminstration. They are blocking these nominees for spite.
The Republicans have proved that big government is something you don’t put in their hands.
Cesspool party at TheZoo. Click on my name. ;)
April 4th, 2009 at 9:14 pmThis goes to show that there is still a lot to be done in Washington DC. President Obama was elected by a large majority of the public yet there are a handful of senators from the republican party i.e. Sens. Richard Shelby (R-AL),Jeff Sessions (R-AL),Sen. Richard Burr (R-NC),Sen. John Cornyn (R-TX), and Sen. Sam Brownback (R-KS)are blocking nominees for no other reason than their greed, and anger at the fact that once again the public has shown there disdain for how the Republican party have ran things for the past thirteen years. Now they have the Gaul to block good nominees on the basis of personal feeling, outdated thinking and pure stupidity. If anything the same voters who came to the aid of President Obama need to come to his aid once again and get more democratic voters on the roles of the states the senators mentioned above hold seats in. It’s simple if you vote for someone and they are given a difficult path not by any outside force but from within the only thing to do is to block them from public service. I wonder what the Republican Party would think in the next midterm elections if those senators who are causing these problems for the president were voted out along with the governors, state legislators, representatives and so on. It’s simple like a spoiled child who finds out the hard way they would be reeling in horror at the fact that once again Americans would rally behind something they truly believe in. If any of you think the same then do what you can. Go to the same grassroots organizations that backed Pres. Obama, and talk to them about bringing more candidates in the states mentioned above that can challenge people like Jeff sessions and Richard Shelby. Send a message from Alabama to Texas from North Carolina to Kansas that as that famous news caster said “I’m Mad as Hell and I’m not going to take it anymore!” Its simple go and vote these clowns out before they make things more difficult for those who really need changes in this great nation of ours
April 4th, 2009 at 9:22 pmflight,
I happen to believe that government can be used to do good if the people in government want to do good. The Republicans do not want government to work for the people, they want it to work on behalf of corporations. They have made that abundantly obvious by their actions.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:22 pmWayne Ant Schneider, I can certainly agree withyou on that point.
flight
April 4th, 2009 at 9:39 pmWhen will the trolls figure out they have some re-thinkin’ ta do? The Republican agenda will never be trusted again, ever. Simply stated, they ruined everything.
Find a new party conservatives.
April 4th, 2009 at 9:39 pmfire _ant_chavis Says:
Great comments! If any of us live in the states that these obstructionist repugnicans represent, we need to call their offices, write letters and let them know we’re outraged at their behavior. I have already called Burr’s office and I’m going to write a letter and call again until he moves his a$$ on the nomination of Ms. Duckworth! Their behavior is despicable and we need to let them know! I’m glad that Rachel Maddow talked about this on her show. Keep it up Rachel!
fire _ant_chavis:
Keep in mind when these Senators are on Committees they are not only representing their states, but as members of the Committee their actions are supposed to represent ALL of us. If you don’t live in their states, email or call the Committee they are on and demand they stop holding up these nominations.
Contact information for each Committee is on the Committee’s website. Let’s drown them with email or phone calls!
April 4th, 2009 at 9:58 pmThe way wingers are always obsessed with abortion, you would think they are all faced with forced abortions. They can’t all be pregnant.
April 4th, 2009 at 10:15 pmThe babies!!!! The babies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Shessh…
April 4th, 2009 at 10:18 pmHmm… Why is it obstructionism when Republicans do something but just fine when Democrats do it? Lets see, how long did the Democrats block Bush’s judicial nominees…. Kinda like the way any speech you dont like is “hate speech” or “racism”. The fact is that Democrats can do what they want right now due to their numbers, of course you know this hence the attempt to re-direct blame so maybe people will forget that you all are running the entire government now and therfore are responsible for….. everything. Republicans could not “block” much of anything right now and you know it. The American people are not going to fall for it after seeing that nominee after nominee has had all sorts of issues with taxes and the like. The people WANT these folks looked at closely and they want the bad ones thrown out.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:12 pmdsd474,
Can you say Alito & Roberts?
How about Cheney? Rumsfeld?
Oh! Alberto Gonzales!
Yeah, cry me a river….
April 4th, 2009 at 11:16 pmThe GOP looks pathetic right now but they should never not be taken seriously. We shouldn’t doubt that each right winger truly believes in what he/she says. Even here in deepest blue Massachusetts, in Barney Frank’s America, there are several hard core conservatives within family and co-worker circles in my life who (mostly) are wonderful, sincere people who believe with all their hearts Obama is ruining the country they love. There is no reasoning with them; we only get along by skirting certain powderkeg issues. The point is that if the Republicans are playing politics in the Senate, then the Dems will have to grow the political balls to change the rules and get the apointees and judges confirmed. But to be successful, it needs to be with a minimum of personal malice.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:25 pmWow, you have a good memory with those few names there…. Im sure that at least as many Obama nominees have been confirmed. Thats not the point of course, and I dont expect you to get it. The point is of course that Dems didnt seem to mind when they blocked as much as they could for the sake of politics and hatred of Bush. Republicans now are certainly challenging some nominations and some legislation but its not due to politics. Its due to the fact that some of this is bad for the country and some of these nominees are tax evaders. You see, the American people seem to get really pissed off when the are taxed into oblivion, but the leaders of the governement that are taxing them dont pay THEIR taxes.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:34 pmI agree that some people have had tax problems but what do you mean by “the like”. It is late here and maybe my brain has slowed a little tonight so could you maybe give me an example or two?
Do you like dragonflies?
April 4th, 2009 at 11:35 pmReaganomics bragged that they finally got rid of the ill conceived regulations cooked up by FDR’s New Deal, and they (conservitives) would finally release the free market system to work its miricals.
What appears to have happened is the finanical systems worked to one fundemental law the conservitives seem to have forgotten, greed and speculation. Thet did not know what to do when their theories starting blowing up. I draw two conclusions from this. First that FDR and his economic team understood far more of capitalism’s fundementals then the present day conservitive bright boys, and now they have to admit that point. Second, the very metrics we are gauging these present finanical problems were framed out by the New Deal economists. The conclusion I can draw from this is regulating capitalism is the only way of saving it from itself. The very core of conseritive principles since the 1930’s has been proven wrong, “that capitalism can regulate itself”. The conseritives can take full credit for this great experiment, we have gutted our manufacturing base and overleveraged our entire economic system. Not to many weeks ago they tried to demonize FDR and the New Deal. I think they thought better when the obvious kept getting overstated.
I think I am beginning to see why they are acting so stupid, their wonderful ideas did not work and they bet the bank on them.
FDR knew what he was doing!!!
Pontificating and humbly flight
April 4th, 2009 at 11:38 pmwnalpert,
April 4th, 2009 at 11:38 pmI concur with much of what you say, however the Democrats don’t need to “change the rules” , they just need to have the balls to enforce them, as the majority is technically empowered to do.
There is a problem though, with the Blue-Dogs who are rather like the ‘Dixiecrats’ of old, or perhaps more like the Republicans of Nixon era i.e. ‘moderates’.
dsd474 Says:
You see, the American people seem to get really pissed off when the are taxed into oblivion, but the leaders of the governement that are taxing them dont pay THEIR taxes.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
I recognize the difference between someone who made a mistake and corrected it, and someone who is hard-core unrepentant — like Dick Cheney, Larry Craig or David Vitter.
You go ahead and stay on your high horse. I like to see people happy.
April 4th, 2009 at 11:39 pmThis is the best the Reprobate-party can come up with in trying to desperately find a justification for its existence?
Yeah… that’s what the world needs, *sigh*
April 5th, 2009 at 12:36 am> Holding up a nomination because she worked
> for a pro-choice organization?
Wow, imagine a president picking people in his cabinent who actually AGREE with his PUBLICLY STATED policy positions..seriously weird stuff there..
April 5th, 2009 at 12:48 amWhat the stupid trolls fail to recall is that Chimpy had plenty of cooperation from the Dems until his faults became apparent. He was given every opportunity to prove worthy of his office and was found lacking. It wasn’t hate that caused his many failures. It was his failures that earned hate.
And anyone who says he was thwarted from the beginning, by politics or personal animosity, is a bald-faced liar.
April 5th, 2009 at 1:37 amThe inane, insane GOP are becoming more despicable every day. Blocking these key appointments solely on the basis of their right-wing ideology is just plain wrong on so many levels. They have an ineffectual leader who doesn’t seem to know what he’s doing, hence, Rush “Oxy-man” Limbaugh has become the de-facto leader instead. Glen Beck is literally falling apart before our eyes and Annie “git yer gun” Coulter is espousing her hate filled rhetoric at every turn. Any sensible “moderate” Republicans should be jumping ship ASAP and if not defecting to the Democrats then at least switching to be an “Independent”. The most chilling statement for me was regarding the right-wing commentators trying to block the nomination of Harold Koh as the State Departments legal counsel because they were “fervent” supporters of John Yoo. JOHN YOO?!?!?!? The same John Yoo who re-wrote laws and parts of the Constitution to give Bush/Cheney unprecedented rights including the right to torture???!!! John Yoo should be tried and convicted for the role he played after 9/11. Along with Cheney, Bush, “Rummy”, Armitage, Ashcroft and the whole nefarious cabal. If these people are “fervent” supporters of Yoo’s then that sums it up right there…they’re fervent supporters of lawbreakers and neo-con nutjobs.
April 5th, 2009 at 2:20 amIt is good that we have the great republican cowards to hold up defense and veterans department nominees. Few if any of these obstructionists had the courage to serve in the active military when they were young and now they continue their cowardly actions in Congress. We must find a way to send all of them home in 2010.
April 5th, 2009 at 6:29 amHIP HIP HORRAY !
Lets Hear It for the Vomit Values Coalition:
THE GO ON PEEONEM(GOP)
What a rotten disgusting hate filled Senatorial ScumClub we have with our DIXIECRAP SoutHOLYhern Senators and their
April 5th, 2009 at 8:15 amUNHOLY ALLIANCE WITH THE JESUS SCREAMERS
GIT OUT YOUR OLD RUGGGED CROSSES, REV UP YOUR HATEMOBILE AND HIT THE ROAD FOR DEMOCRACY, FREEDOM, KORPORATOPIA AND ALL THE
MILLIONAIRE WHORES IN THE SENATE AND THE U.S. CONGRESS. A DISGUSTING LOT OF FREAKS !
The Dems did the same thing to Bush and you guys know it. And given the picks Obama has allready made ( how many tax cheats so far , 5 )the gov. needs to look them over real good. This is all part of the prosess so get over it already.
April 5th, 2009 at 8:22 amWell, well, well….. This is my FIRST time on this site, and I must say that MOST of you need to CHILL and take a deep breath…. If you CALL yourselves “Americans”, then START ACTING LIKE IT and STOP ALL THIS NAME CALLING of the OPPOSITE PARTY…. IF Obama is to be believed when he says “WE HAVE TO WORK TOGETHER”….THEN START SHOWING THAT SOLIDARITY…Otherwise, you reduce your argument to nothing more than HATRED and LOSE ALL CREDIBILITY……And for those of you who STILL DON’T GET IT….JUST LEAVE THE COUNTRY…WE REALLY DON’T NEED YOU….!!!
April 5th, 2009 at 8:23 amWhere is the House Un-American Activities Committee when it is really needed?!
April 5th, 2009 at 8:37 amArrest everyone who has an R- before his/her name.
GOP = Go On Pouting.
Hey Mackaronni,
If I’ve learned anything about libs. its that they are haters. They want tolerance but will give none. If you don’t agree with them they will smear you personally. No discussions just hate. America love it or leave it.
April 5th, 2009 at 8:39 amGood Morning Jeffyboy and Mackaronni:
Do you want to play today?
Jeffy, should we exclude women who have had an abortion from serving in the military?
Mack, where have you been, this site has been around for a while. If this truly is your 1st time here why don’t you check out some past threads on different topics before passing judgment. Would you walk into a church you’ve never been to and shout out your disagreement to what you see there?
April 5th, 2009 at 8:46 amFact is we are using tactics honed by Dems during B43. This is after all, political warfare and all is fair, We cannot allow anyone to take a gov’t position who will undermine the Constitution. (Please actually read it. It can only be changed by the Amendment process). So get used to it. We will take control in 2010 and thereafter for another 40 years. After all, B43 is now positioned as a liberal. not a conservative. Obama is digging a huge hole and within 6 months, his supporters will notice he’s 1/2 white! Something you racists refuse to see.
Remember “Washington has BO”
JtO
Save the planet, shoot libs!
April 5th, 2009 at 9:19 amStop the left. 357s have stopping power!
The madder YOU get, the more power we have.
And this is different from what the Liberals did to President Bush? It is not.
April 5th, 2009 at 9:27 amJtO:
Do you hate dragonflies too?
April 5th, 2009 at 9:35 amYou two little dickheads, JtO and Romans1 will be hung, fore what you claim is treason. I will make sure your kids (if you actually had anyone procreate with you in your basement lairs) watch, and I will shoot them, with your own guns, just at the point of the trap door opening, to make sure that is the last image you see as you hang This will eradicate the virus called Republiscumism this generation.
April 5th, 2009 at 9:35 amHey Jeffyboy (shitforbrains), you are also on the list above, and you should take your own advice. “America love it or leave it.”
And JtO mumbled with Karl’s dick in his mouth,
“So get used to it. We will take control in 2010 and thereafter for another 40 years.”
I laughed, and laughed. Wasn’t this said back in 2000 when you had to resort to stealing the election. I think it was: The 1000 years reign you were looking at then, you know the 4th Reich.
BWAHAHAHAHA, How about just getting a leader. HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
April 5th, 2009 at 9:41 amPachy.
Don’t know where that question came from, but the military needs people who can be killers and if a woman can kill her own unborn child I would say she can kill anybody. Let her serve.
April 5th, 2009 at 9:50 amJeffy, my question was out of left field, wasn’t it. I felt the same way about your first statement, “The Dems did the same thing to Bush and you guys know it”. It sort of reminded me of a third grade taunt.
Now let me ask if you think Tammy Duckworth’s views on abortion should disqualify her for a position as an assistant secretary at the Department of Veterans Affairs?
April 5th, 2009 at 10:07 amHey Jeffyscum you vile piece of filth,
If you can kill millions of “unborn children” every time you swallow Karl’s jism then, you can kill anyone.
You hve to be the stupidest muddafugga on earth.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:22 amAll you want to do is have someone to dump on. No debate here. ALECTO, if you ever had a real thought your brain would explode.
You “lefties” finally have “control” and all you do is hate. I guess you don’t have the mental ability to do anything eles. I’m sure if this was face to face your balls would be hiding away somewhere.
ALECTO , one last thought: The best part of you ran down your mamas leg.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:52 amJeffyboy:
Do you prefer insult hurling or rational conversation?
Have you any problems with dragonflies?
April 5th, 2009 at 11:03 amAre there any anti-democratic, extra-constitutional means Senate Republicans will not stoop to in their increasingly desperate attempts to thwart the express will of the American electorate? Totally bankrupt of new ideas or solutions to today’s problems, they have become ever more shrill and obstructionist. They now reveal themselves entirely bereft of democratic principles. Power by any means and at any cost to the nation. Senate Republicans are one sorry bunch of self-serving, power-hungry politicians.
April 5th, 2009 at 11:05 amGood morning all, I haven’t read all the posts – but the top 70 or so make good points. I think the Republican party is dying and it will eventually split into two parties, the somewhat sane Republicans who care about our country and the Fascist fundamentalists who care only about themselves and those like them. This will be a good thing. The current Republican party walks in lockstep and I think most of the American people see this.
April 5th, 2009 at 12:04 pmTo all rational thinkers if you’re out there,
One thing I’ve figured out is that many here from the left run only on
emotion – they choose not to use the brain we must assume they were born with.
As such, logic and attempting to discuss any issue on its own merits usually gets you nowhere.
When they start with the personal insults and talk of “trolls”, “repubics”, etc.
you know you’ve met one of these types.
At this point don’t expect much, just have some fun if you can and move on.
April 5th, 2009 at 12:15 pmmoring ro,
figured out the principal/principle
question yet? you’ve had a lot
time to work on it you know.
:|
April 5th, 2009 at 12:20 pmRomartin16985 Says:
To all rational thinkers if you’re out there,
One thing I’ve figured out is that many here from the left run only on
emotion – they choose not to use the brain we must assume they were born with.
**
JtO Says:
Save the planet, shoot libs!
Stop the left. 357s have stopping power!
The madder YOU get, the more power we have.
**
who’s being emotional
(and violent) here, ro?
:)
April 5th, 2009 at 12:23 pmP.S.
They will also attribute to you any and all extreme thinking they’ve ever heard from someone else they disagreed with.
Again, no logic just emotion.
April 5th, 2009 at 12:28 pm…
hear that JtO?
ro, thinks you’re extreme.
;)
April 5th, 2009 at 12:34 pm…
shhh….
ro’s thinking.
:)
April 5th, 2009 at 12:37 pmWhat is pussy Obama going to do now, that N. Korea has launced a missle that could reach the America? What will all you Obama fanitics do when your city has been destroyed by a nuclear weapon by a “man made disaster group” (terrorists), that bought this missle and its payload from N. Korea?
Obama only cares about his own image, not yours. Your children and grandchildren will be payiong off his debt for the rest of their lives, if they’re not killed by terrorists first.
Would you still be Obamamized if he were white?
April 5th, 2009 at 12:44 pmmikehunt Says:
What is pussy Obama going to do now, that N. Korea has launced a missle that could reach the America? What will all you Obama fanitics do when your city has been destroyed by a nuclear weapon by a “man made disaster group” (terrorists), that bought this missle and its payload from N. Korea?
Obama only cares about his own image, not yours. Your children and grandchildren will be payiong off his debt for the rest of their lives, if they’re not killed by terrorists first.
Would you still be Obamamized if he were white?
**
logic?
logical?
:)
April 5th, 2009 at 12:50 pm…
“paylong”?
;\
April 5th, 2009 at 12:50 pmI am late to the party… but it looks like no one caught this, in Vermonter’s very first post:
“This lady has a history of supporting pro-choice, and that truly is a disgrace to the service in which she served. I can’t think of any veteran that would support this lady.”
He is under the impression that Johnsen and Duckworth are the same person.
SO I wrote him off right there!
April 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pmYou loons won the election by a slim 52-48%. That is not an overwhelming majority. You gutless kool Aid drinkers with BO in the lead, have given our great great great grandchildren an upside loan to operate with that is called the United States. You have found a site to spew your venom, but the facts are Barney, Chris, Pelosi, Geithner, etc. all have a democratic symbol in front of their name. They all should be tried for treason and kicked to prison. Massachussetts is full of loons and gives us loosers like Kerry, the murderous Kennedy (remember Mary Jo Koepeckne, if not look it up), and on and on. The repubs. have a bunch of loosers too. I agree with that. However, don’t set yourself up as better than the other Americans that don’t agree with your spreading the wealth ideas. I hope you open your eyes and see we are all the victims of Washington elites. Why does BO get to send his kids to private schools while he preaches about the great school and education system this country has. Let us limit his pay, through book deals and salary to $250,000, like he wants you kool aid drinkers to follow. This is not the America our parents gave us and not the one I want to leave to my kids. Grow up and quit whining you left wing losers. You do not have a friend in the White House like you think. He lies everyday to everyone who he is in front of at the time. Live with it you gutless wonders.
April 5th, 2009 at 1:48 pmDon’t worry about the Republican party dying off. There is a real 3rd party forming. It is the Tea Party. April 15 will be a show of unity and anyone upset with how this country is going should attend. We are Americans not dems or repubs. We all want to have a good life and live with liberty. Forget the rest of the outside loons from both sides. Come together on April 15 and see the good it will create to let our government see that they work for us, not the other way around. Oh yeah, bring your birth certificate and wave it in the air proudly to show how proud we are being American. Let the other countries see how Americans take control of the country, and away from these elitists in control from both parties.
April 5th, 2009 at 1:57 pm…
blueboy,
what was that date again?
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April 5th, 2009 at 2:04 pmTo the 459 so call thinkers – Not only does congress lie to “We The People” but so has Obama. He has not kept one single campaign promise. WHY? Have you ever heard of the Bilderberger Group, Trilaterial Commission and Council on Foreign Relations? It’s called making of The New World Order.
Go to Google and type in The Obama Deception. Also Google the three groups and look at the membership list. Then you “prizes thinkers” think. Then look deeply into the Federal Reserve Banking system. After all this, and you value your freedom, you should join the NRA or Gun Owners of America. You just may need them.
Now,let’s hear the crap you “thinkers” will be putting out.
April 5th, 2009 at 2:06 pmwatsonhm Says:
To the 459 so call thinkers – Not only does congress lie to “We The People” but so has Obama. He has not kept one single campaign promise. WHY? Have you ever heard of the Bilderberger Group, Trilaterial Commission and Council on Foreign Relations? It’s called making of The New World Order.
Go to Google and type in The Obama Deception. Also Google the three groups and look at the membership list. Then you “prizes thinkers” think. Then look deeply into the Federal Reserve Banking system. After all this, and you value your freedom, you should join the NRA or Gun Owners of America. You just may need them.
Now,let’s hear the crap you “thinkers” will be putting out.
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a gun?
where have you been?
i have a laser ray.
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April 5th, 2009 at 2:18 pmwatsonhm,
I may die fighting, but I will die free.
April 5th, 2009 at 2:30 pmNote to Rahm:
A ’suggestion’: When ‘nails’ stick their heads up, BREAK OUT THE HAMMER! Put ‘holds’ on the stimulus funds to the states with Senators putting ‘holds’ on Obama nominees and, make no secret of what your doing and why.
Then, let the ‘people of NC, TX, AL, MS ask their ‘just say no obstructionists ‘reb’ senators WTF, OVER?!
April 5th, 2009 at 3:37 pmRight there with ya blueboy1!
April 5th, 2009 at 3:41 pmRomartin16985 Says:
Right there with ya blueboy1!
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sure. like you know
how to shoot a gun.
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gimme a break!
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April 5th, 2009 at 4:09 pmJoe Cantwell is an IDIOT.Oboma is in the White House 2 months and he expects him to repair 8 years of the Repugs disastrous,treasonous fiascoes.This Country will be lucky if we can recoup in 10 years with all the obstructionist,jerk up Repugs whose only desire is to make Obama and the U.S.fail so that they can regain power.I have to stop because i can’t take all this s**t this moron spews.
April 5th, 2009 at 4:13 pmgoldenboy,
i expect obama to be a great president.
i agree with him that it will take both good citizens
and good government to undo the damage done
to this country by the last eight years of bush and
republican party rule. more importantly i believe that with
president obama’s leadership we can make this country
great both here at home and abroad again. we’re doing it already.
that’s where i stand.
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capice?
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April 5th, 2009 at 4:32 pmLook out folks!!!! I’m from the south!!!!
April 5th, 2009 at 5:26 pmTrouble is all of my friends don’t hate the people from the north, or people of different views. Some of you want to destroy the south. If you do a lot of allies to your beliefs go too.
I’m confused. I have heard that conservatives are hate mongels. I’ve read a few of the left’s point of view and I’m embarrassed, and scared. For one the Dems have been in power for 2 years already. A small fact that a lot of Obama voters didn’t know. I refer you to a poll taken on election day. You probably didn’t hear about it on CNN or the other liberal stations. I am forced to watch CNN at work because a few demos control the tv controls in the guard shack, so I get your point of view and the massive amounts of news you never hear. The scary thing is anything different from your views is treated with disgust. Most of (ready) ya’ll think you are right and we are way off in our thinking. What if you are the ones wrong? Is it possible? Think about it. If you disregard this as no way possible, then you are so closed minded you will never see the truth if it was in front of you. What do you base your idea of knowing the truth on? Are you the enlighten ones? Who enlightened you? If your response to anything that is opposite of your view is anger, isn’t that a bad sign? Any level headed responses will be appreciated. For ya’ll name calling, hate mongels response…well your just wasting your time, won’t even read it. But go ahead your sure to be goaded on by your fellow enlightened ones
OOh rachael is pissed look out your in big trouble.
April 5th, 2009 at 6:14 pmIt is really funny to see comments from different sources ie. your useless liberal rags or more trusted sources sources like the wall street journal. Oh yea thats right the NYT is going out of business, I wonder why and I wonder why the factor is the number one rated cable news program for something like 100 months. I am sure rachael doesn’t even make the top five. You people are stupid. The only reason liberals have taken over is because you are too uninformed and too stupid to completely understand the truth and by the way you were duped but obviously it’s easy to dupe a liberal. When you FU***** get a clue.
By the way dummies all this talk about republicans and their ways has made you forget how F****** up your favorite democrats are yea thats right if you want to blame this crisis on anyone start with barney frank and chris dodd and did you forget how many of obama’s choices so far have all been tax cheats, I am a conservative and I have never cheated on my taxes and don’t forget about your number one tax law writer in congress charles rangel democrat, who is a tax cheat. You F****** are such stupid hypocrits you make me sick.
April 5th, 2009 at 6:32 pmthe only way you can reach a liberal hate mongerer is by stuping to their level especially the extremely nasty ones. you must fight fire with fire. plus it really makes their blood boil and their is nothing better than watching a liberal squirm under the heat of having been proved wrong.
April 5th, 2009 at 6:36 pmJoe cantwell is an idiot. He should read a lot more from different sources and over a period of time he will see things in a different light but it won’t be easy and it doesn’t happen over night especially since he will have to overcome all the years of brainwashing by his family and teachers. I wish him and all others like him a lot of luck and support from their unions that have destroyed the auto industry.
April 5th, 2009 at 6:42 pmWow…some serious stupid on display here…yikes.
April 5th, 2009 at 7:36 pmjbrook Says:
Joe cantwell is an idiot. He should read a lot more from different sources and over a period of time he will see things in a different light but it won’t be easy and it doesn’t happen over night especially since he will have to overcome all the years of brainwashing by his family and teachers. I wish him and all others like him a lot of luck and support from their unions that have destroyed the auto industry.
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your mother.
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April 5th, 2009 at 8:29 pmLibellula saturata Annie Says:
Wow…some serious stupid on display here…yikes.
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do you know how much
they help us win elections?
neither do they.
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that is why they are here.
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April 5th, 2009 at 8:36 pmSo tell us how many of President Bush’s appointments did the leftwingers hold up during his Presidency? What goes around comes around and all you lefty’s want to cry about it!
…and speaking of appointments…I noticed Summers, Axelrod and Emanuel made millions this last year…raping the US taxpayers…and the leftist have the hypocrisy to speak badly of Republicans!
April 5th, 2009 at 9:11 pm…and this post above is why you leftist are so despised. You’re idea of government is to use it as a tool to hold hostage the good American people who work hard for everything they get in life. Maybe you need to take a refresher course in American History 101 and learn what this country was founded on? Just to give you a clue…it’s called “Freedom of the Individual.” Not BIG Government!
April 5th, 2009 at 9:41 pmRealityCheck Says:
So tell us how many of President Bush’s appointments did the leftwingers hold up during his Presidency? What goes around comes around and all you lefty’s want to cry about it!
…and speaking of appointments…I noticed Summers, Axelrod and Emanuel made millions this last year…raping the US taxpayers…and the leftist have the hypocrisy to speak badly of Republicans!
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RealityCheck Says:
Note to Rahm:
A ’suggestion’: When ‘nails’ stick their heads up, BREAK OUT THE HAMMER! Put ‘holds’ on the stimulus funds to the states with Senators putting ‘holds’ on Obama nominees and, make no secret of what your doing and why.
Then, let the ‘people of NC, TX, AL, MS ask their ‘just say no obstructionists ‘reb’ senators WTF, OVER?!
…and this post above is why you leftist are so despised. You’re idea of government is to use it as a tool to hold hostage the good American people who work hard for everything they get in life. Maybe you need to take a refresher course in American History 101 and learn what this country was founded on? Just to give you a clue…it’s called “Freedom of the Individual.” Not BIG Government!
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in case you forgot.
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April 5th, 2009 at 10:47 pm***
you can try again
in 2012.
good luck.
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April 5th, 2009 at 10:49 pmjoe cantwell Says:
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you can try again
in 2012.
good luck
…actually between Dingy Harry…Pee-Lice-ie…and B.O…
they are working hard trying to put the Republicans back in charge of the House & Senate in 2010!
Liberals left to their own devices…always overplay their hands and implode.
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April 6th, 2009 at 7:21 amLet’s get this straight. Republicans are evil for holding up Obama’s appointments. But it was Ok for them to hold up over 1000 Bush appointments. Then when Republicans talked about eliminating the filibuster to break the log-jam the mainstream media dubbed it “the nuclear option.” Now when dems speak of the problem it’s called “finding a path.” Isn’t propaganda grand?
April 6th, 2009 at 9:34 amI’ve decided that I’m okay with the extreme partisanship and over-reaching of our President and Congress.
If they moved more slowly with the extreme left policies that they are pushing forward with, not as many Americans would take notice.
As it is now, we are seeing just what we’ve got in our President and Congress almost daily, and thats hard not to notice.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:27 amI’ve decided that I’m okay with the extreme partisanship and over-reaching of our President and Congress.
Exactly…I totally agree. It will not be too much longer before all the Independents who voted for them this last election…will come to realize what a complete F-up they did? B.O. already has the biggest diverse approval ratings in the history of polling on a President. Only 27% of other than DemocRATs approve of his administration already after less than 3 months. WOW…that is telling!
April 6th, 2009 at 11:16 amRealityCheck Says:
Romartin16985 Says:
I’ve decided that I’m okay with the extreme partisanship and over-reaching of our President and Congress.
Exactly…I totally agree. It will not be too much longer before all the Independents who voted for them this last election…will come to realize what a complete F-up they did? B.O. already has the biggest diverse approval ratings in the history of polling on a President. Only 27% of other than DemocRATs approve of his administration already after less than 3 months. WOW…that is telling!
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