Iraqis execute six gay men in past 10 days.
Iraqis execute six gay men in past 10 days.
An Iraqi defense ministry official reports that at least six gay men have been shot dead in two separate incidents during the past 10 days in a Shia-controlled part of Baghdad. The official said today that three bullet-riddled bodies of gay individuals have been identified in Sadr City:
“Three corpses of homosexuals have been recovered in Sadr City. Two of the bodies, found on Thursday, had pieces of paper attached on which was written the word ‘Pervert.’ The third body was retrieved on Friday,” the official said.
Other dead bodies had the word “puppies” written on their chests. Puppy is a derogatory word used by residents in Sadr City to refer to gays. Witnesses told CNN that a Sadr City cafe, which was a popular gathering spot for gays, was also set on fire.
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Witnesses told CNN that a Sadr City cafe, which was a popular gathering spot for gays, was also set on fire.
– - Umm, if gay Iraqis are summarily killed just for being gay, why are gays gathering in a known popular spot? Isn’t this like ringing the dinner bell for homophobes?
April 5th, 2009 at 9:56 amTheocracy(Sharia Law) and democracy are two different things that don`t mix well together.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:06 amI can only imagine this must be considered part of the Iraq success story to the James Dobsonites in the GOP.
Gays were much better off under Saddam Hussein’s rule.
-GSD
April 5th, 2009 at 10:07 amTP, please be more careful with your headlines.
“Iraqis execute six gay men in past 10 days” makes it sound as if the government has officially carried out capital punishment.
While it’s technically accurate , in the sense that it was very likely that Iraqi citizens carried out these crimes, and that it could be said that these men were “executed”, it is misleading.
You can do better.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:16 amSo when does larry “wide stance” craig, rush limpballs, and the rest of the closet homosexual repug gang go over there?
April 5th, 2009 at 10:17 amLarry said he was not gay.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHCrOtSzIBg
April 5th, 2009 at 10:21 amAh, yes . . . GDumbya’s “flourishing democracy in the Middle East”. And our tax dollars at work.
As more and more news rolls out of Iraq, who in their right mind can defend GDumbya’s dirty little avoidable war in Iraq as a reasonable and constructive use of our armed forces and our treasure?
Just think what we could have accomplished with the resources that we have flushed down the toilet in Iraq. It’s appalling.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:24 amFreedom is on the March my a**
April 5th, 2009 at 10:30 amchristopher wiwi Says:
Theocracy(Sharia Law) and democracy are two different things that don`t mix well together.
I just finished reading Hooman Majd’s “The Ayatollah Begs to Differ”, about modern Iran and I highly recommend it. One of his central points is that Sharia and democracy can mix well, but the “democracy” is definitely going to look different from Western democracy.
Of course, Iraq is not Iran, but it is possible for a tolerant Islamic state to exist. If the Iraqi government condones or actively carries out homicides like this, there can be no pretense about “democracy.”
April 5th, 2009 at 10:33 amOT: DKos has a link to this glowing review of Obama’s performance in Europe from the Financial Times.
It’s good to have a grown-up back in charge.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:36 amWith reference to Ralph’s point…were these homicides committed by the Iraqi Govt.(executions) or by Shia Militias (lynchings)….and is there a Diffence??
April 5th, 2009 at 10:43 amWelcome to America– that is, America under the rule of extreme right-wing christian theocratic law, as envisioned by the likes of Dobson, Huckabee, and just about any southern republican politician that you care to name. Robert Heinlein wrote a book in which he described a period of time in an unnamed country which had theocratic law. He called the time the “crazy years”. It’s a fairly prophetic view of today’s current events in the Islamic countrys and a warning of what we would face if the wingers ever get their way.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:47 amI’m a d88bazz. Make that “countries”
April 5th, 2009 at 10:51 amOh, I get it now.
The flavor of democracy that BushCo exported to Iraq was the type of democracy they wanted to, but couldn’t, implement here in America.
Gays being slaughtered in Iraq because they’re gay, women legally raped in Afghanistan because they’re women. Explain to me again why my tax dollars and the blood of our troops are going to these countries?
PEACE
April 5th, 2009 at 10:57 amI suggest the post title should be changed to:
6 Men Killed for Being Gay in Shia area of Baghdad.
April 5th, 2009 at 11:00 amBefore the Gulf War, it was tolerated with a blind eye. Afterwards…
“The authoritarian nature of the Ba’athist government makes it difficult to gather definitive information about what were the Ba’athist polices with regards to sexual orientation or gender identity. In the United Nations, the Iraqi delegation cited religion, despite being a secular state at the time as their reasoning for opposing efforts to have the international body support gay rights.
Yet, homosexual practices between consenting adults in private were not officially made illegal in Iraq until 2001, when it was made a capital crime. Prior to that point, Iraqi gays and bisexuals who lived during the 1980s – 1990s have since reported that a Ba’athist crackdown on homosexuality and establishments known to function as gay bars took place in the 1990s.
This is also around the same time that the Ba’athist regime lost the first Persian Gulf War, and faced an uprising in northern and southern Iraq, and this crackdown may have been part of a larger attempt by the government to appeal to Sunni and Shiite social conservatives as the early 1990s.
The practice known as “honor killings” were also legalized in the early 1990s, and thus a LGBT Iraqi could face being executed by their kin for bringing dishonor to their family.”
The only two countries in the region that actively tolerate homosexuality are Israel and Turkey…and Israel is the only one that allows for civil unions.
April 5th, 2009 at 11:05 amI am really sorry to hear about this.
But I don’t see what “we” are supposed to do about it.
Stay in Iraq to protect the civil rights of marginalized folks?
How long? at what cost?
and finally, why?
Nothing any USer does will ever change the minds of the bloody-minded mullahs…
April 5th, 2009 at 11:11 amAmericasBack Says:
OT, but why is it that I can write (and see my type) at regular speed on this thread, but I can’t on the story about republicrimes holding up President Obama’s nominations?
No idea; I’ve seen the blog vary in speed or even crash, but no variation between threads.
Welcome.
April 5th, 2009 at 11:11 amAmericasBack Says: “OT, but why is it that I can write (and see my type) at regular speed on this thread, but I can’t on the story about republicrimes holding up President Obama’s nominations? ”
The longer the thread the slower things can get. I don’t have speed issues because I have a fast PC and a fast connection (Cable).
Clearing out your browser cache, cookies, history, and deleting temp files regularly should help.
April 5th, 2009 at 11:12 amIf you are using Internet Explorer, I’d recommend you switch to FireFox ( and god I hope you aren’t suing AOL!) I’ve found it to be a faster browser than IE.
An unprovoked war sold on lies to bring freedom and democracy to Iraq. So how’s it working out there, Mr. Bush?
April 5th, 2009 at 11:21 amEnnuiDivine : “The only two countries in the region that actively tolerate homosexuality are Israel and Turkey…”
In say Lebanon and Bahrain there appears to be a ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ approach–but then these two states are very laid-back .
April 5th, 2009 at 11:23 amIn Bahrain the local men drank quite a lot of ‘tea’–which was actually usually whisky but served from a teapot into teacups!
Pachydiplax,
yeah sure, larry said it, I believe it, that settles it – yup, uhhhh-huh, that should settle it, right?
April 5th, 2009 at 11:26 amChristopher Wiwi says:
“Theocracy ( Sharia Law) and Democracy are two different things that don’t mix well together”.
———-
This has nothing to do with Sharia law, but has a lot to do with Iraqis customs and their way of life..
It is just totally unaccpetable to be a gay in their society.
This killing was not done by their government or by an order of judge or a court based on Sharia law or any law, it was simply a cultural thing.
Do you have evidence to support your claim that it was a Sharia law…?!!
Iraq is more Conservative society than some other Arab and Moslem countries like Lebanon for example.
It is a tribal one.
Such act of being a gay is considered a dishonrong one to the whole tribe,which all carry the same family name.
Something that is very hard for us to understand in the USA.
Sharia law has nothing to do with Democracy..This killing is strictly a cultural thing.
Maliky,Bush or Obama can do nothing about it.
The dishonoring killing is not limited to one sect,religion,or a group in Iraq….it is a society’s order.
April 5th, 2009 at 11:33 amStewarjt, killing gays in Iraq isn’t a problem for W. It’s all just a part of the republican vision for their brand of “democracy”.
April 5th, 2009 at 11:53 amIn Bush/Cheney and the right wing extremist sick views of their “new world order”, I guess they are saying to themselves, “Mission Accomplished”
April 5th, 2009 at 11:57 amWhat’s this! People in Iraq acting intolerant? We can show them how they are supposed to live! We better gather up our troops, head over there, and …wait
April 5th, 2009 at 12:09 pmIraq is an authentic Wild West theme park, imagined by the sick Neo Cons in their designer cowboy hats.
April 5th, 2009 at 12:13 pmSometimes you just have to sit back and accept these horrific actions as free entertainment. Sort of like the way George Carlin put it once. If we are willing to continue to let sadistic, stupid and selfish people run the affairs of nations and religions, then we shouldn’t at all be surprised at the results. Until we ourselves change the situation of our world it will only continue to spiral downward at the hands of chaos loving politicians and religious zealots. I have to get more popcorn.
April 5th, 2009 at 12:17 pmI agree with ralph. The headline makes it seem as if these men were executed by the state, when actually they were murdered by Iraqi citizens.
It’s f ucked up either way, but I’m just saying the headline is misleading.
April 5th, 2009 at 12:31 pmThis is no different that people blowing up abortion clinics in this country, for whatever motives they have,but it is not done by the state.
April 5th, 2009 at 12:54 pmThe story was told as if the state did it.
And I agree with Zooey on her points.
I’m sure Fox will point out that the morgue used to house these poor souls was freshly-painted by U.S. troops.
April 5th, 2009 at 12:57 pm.
Iraq plans execution bloodbath
Iraq is planning to start executing 128 people this week,
many of who are thought to be gay.
Tris Reid-Smith
March 30, 2009
http://news.pinkpaper.com/NewsStory.aspx?id=858
This is the ‘real’ freedumb adgenda that was mission accomplished!
April 5th, 2009 at 1:00 pm“Proud”? Of what? You ask what American policy has to do with this? America is responsible for returning Iraq to a feudal theocratic state. We continue to pour billions into their economy, propping up a puppet government that turns a blind eye to barbarism. We are responsible for overthrowing a secular government that held the religious fanatics in check. If you are “Proud” of that, your priorities are pretty screwed up.
April 5th, 2009 at 1:19 pm.
Proud says:
And with that generalization, folks, ignorance is Proud to make an appearance.
April 5th, 2009 at 1:23 pmIraq is a lawless hell-hole as a direct result of U.S. policy.
April 5th, 2009 at 1:26 pmso, proud to be a moron,
April 5th, 2009 at 1:38 pmis this what freedom on the march is supposed to look like?
Hi Proud
April 5th, 2009 at 1:54 pmcan you remind me again of what you are proud of?
Thanks
Hey, Proud, would you call Christianity the wonderful religion of peace after seeing that whacked-out bunch of inbreds from Kansas picketing veterans funerals with signs saying ” God Hates Fags” and ” God Let Your Soldier Die In Revenge For America Protecting Gays” and other such trash? Also, the sewage spilling from the mouths of Dobson, Huckabee, Falwell and others of that ilk. If so, then I’ll pass on that religion, thank you.
April 5th, 2009 at 2:05 pmProud Says:
How stupid do you have to be to believe this has anything to do with US policy in Iraq? This is Islam folks, the wonderful religion of peace. This is how they behave, always have and always will, it is their religion. I guess the people who are trying to overturn the will of the people on prop 8 in CA should just move to Iraq and demand same sex mariage over there, good luck.
***
“you are in iowa!”
- the music man, by meredith wilson.
:)
April 5th, 2009 at 2:07 pmAfter all the death and destruction wrought by the U.S. and Israel, and amid all the recent random shooting by out-of-work nutjobs, Mr. Proud still maintains that Islam is the scourge of our civilized world.
The only explanation for this dichotomy is racism.
April 5th, 2009 at 2:08 pmProud to be an ignorant racist fu(kwit.
April 5th, 2009 at 2:27 pmI thought Mr. Ahmadinejad of Iran informed us that Muslims don’t have gays. Didn’t he?
April 5th, 2009 at 2:28 pmBorn gay is not a choice BUT living a gay life style expressing sexual activity with the same sex is wrong no matter what country you live in. It is very sad that the precious life of 6 men was taken but let this be a reminder to all people that Allah made men and women sexual pleasures for reproduction purposes only.
April 5th, 2009 at 2:42 pmWith the lack of WMD, the Iraquis found themselves ‘liberated’ and now are enjoying ‘Freedom’ and ‘Democracy’!
April 5th, 2009 at 3:01 pmpoliticaljunkie…
People like you! That worry so much about other people’s sexualitily, have an enourmous tendency to be exactly what they are advocating against.
April 5th, 2009 at 3:07 pmIt happens with ‘Gay bashers’, that have to go around in group advocating hate, but deep inside are dying to ‘get some’.
Sraight people who are realy straight and confident and confortable with their sexuality, simply don’t care about the sexuality of others!
Homosexualism has been with humans since the cave and stone periods. It is a normoal human sexal activity.
Stop this crasy talk of claming that ‘God’ is in your side, because ‘God’ created the world and homosexuals too!
Stop bothering other people and be happy with you sexual life! That is, if you have one!
Come out of the closet!
politicaljunkie Says:
Is it OK to jerk off for pleasure?
April 5th, 2009 at 3:26 pmDear sacopenapa,
We both know it’s you who is dying to come out but as this article proves yur own people will not think twice of bumping you off for yur desired sexuality with the same sex. It must be so painful 4u to have to live yur entire life wanting to express yurself in a way that you will never be able too. I am sorry that God made you this way. Having to live such a lie must be so painful 4u.
April 5th, 2009 at 3:38 pmAre you Prince, politicaljunkie? What is this “4u” crap?
April 5th, 2009 at 3:43 pmguys… This kind of thing will be very very bad for the Iraqi economy. Let’s find out who the judges where so we can address them by name – they are skrewing their citizens.
April 5th, 2009 at 3:50 pmI guess I’m still trying to see the problem with this story…..
April 5th, 2009 at 4:11 pmAfter all people are just a choice to live at society’s will if we choose to let them live outside of the womb. Until we think they have outlived their usefulness and we put them in a home, assist them with suicide or allow them to be culled out by warfare. Society must have decided gays weren’t useful. I guess that’s what you get when you choose the wrong God.
April 5th, 2009 at 4:14 pmWho needs details? These twisted far-left readers are still so consumed with their anti-Bush rage that they would attribute any crime related in any way to Iraq or homosexuality to our good old U.S. Republicans. It’s like they’ve got little George Bush stickers stuck to their glasses — everywhere they look, there he is working his mischief.
April 5th, 2009 at 4:16 pmHi Agkcrbs
April 5th, 2009 at 4:22 pmWanna have a serious talk now?
This wasn’t Iraqi law that instantiated this. The Iraqi police and the coroners suspect that it was their families that did this because nobody has claimed their bodies.
What’s even crazier is this story about how the government is executing gays. Kind of weird that Iraq implemented the death penalty in 2004? I mean, people are killing each other in the street, you’d think death penalty wouldn’t be much of a deterrent to commit crime. Anyway, a number of people are believed to have been “coerced” into pleading guilty to crimes they didn’t commit. Certainly not a good time to be gay in Iraq.
April 5th, 2009 at 4:23 pmMisogynistic killings are called “honor” killings there so I’m guess these homophobic killings are similarly “virtuous.”
We need to stand firm when it comes to intolerance and hatred, whether that be on the basis of gender, sexual orientation, color, or any other trait. How can we possibly root out terrorism, when we turn the other way? Bigotry is always inexcusable, and no bigot should be able to hide behind “culture,” “religion,” or “tradition.”
April 5th, 2009 at 4:23 pmSorry to get off topic, but it’s such a fun topic to debate, especially with those whose intelligence/insight is limited by their beliefs. (not to mention the cowardice acts committed by those whose beliefs are confronted) so let’s begin.
Does he say about mammalian species engaging in homosexual and purely sexually gratifying activities? Do they get smitten by the sexual conduct primates? Or do your zealots like to ignore anthropology as well?
April 5th, 2009 at 4:30 pmSo because you believe some myths about an invisible man in the clouds, it’s okay to murder six men? In that case, I’m glad to be a godless heathen. At least I have some morals.
April 5th, 2009 at 4:43 pmsacopenapa ,
hmm while browsing I couldent help but take issue with your passive aggressive comments. Ive been gay all of my life and I cant tell you how annoying it is to have ignorant citizens such as yourself try to tell me how I “should” be.
You see sacopenapa I am in the profession of truth , that is , I study life and I hope to one day correct it entirely. When I hear the hatred and small minded blithering from individuals such as yourself I frequently question why we even allow such people to exist on earth.
When people like me stop the aging process , finally , when it is humans that give men everlasting life and not god , when the greatest promise of all religion is given to mankind by man himself , When all of your hatred , all of your selfishness and all of the lies that are your religion are laid bare – just what will you be then?
Your reality is based on your paradigm , your paradigm on beliefs , these beliefs can be based on either opinion or fact , truth or lie. The information system you use to make judgements and create your reality , namely your religion , is inherently based in lie and opinion . It also bears the hallmark of the ignorant – What is this hallmark?
That you cannot incorporate new information into your reality whenever it challenges the basic concepts of your religion.
Views cannot be changed with new truth and new fact.
“Why are you talking about my religion Amathius? I was talking about gay people! ”
I know you will ask – It is because your religion defines you.
its hatred consumes you and when it comes down to it the only thing you can do for your race is obstruct it. You can draw a straight line from the variance in development of the western world as compared to the middle eastern world based entirely on the freedom of thought. Religion has ruled entirely in iran and iraq for all of recorded history and it shows.
There will come a time when people will be shown the falsehood of your religions , when god will be shown to be nothing more than a reflection of ourselves , When people will have to take responsibility for thier world , thier brothers and sisters and future generations and you / people like you due to the inherent incapability of your broken reality to incorporate new information – will be left as dust in the past.
Afterall , jesus christ and the prophet did not spread thier words to encourage peace among mankind , they did so to spread fire upon the earth.
Sincerely yours.
April 5th, 2009 at 4:46 pmIn Islam’s defense, they did give us advanced science, arithmetic, and medicine. Which is more than Christianity has ever given the world.
April 5th, 2009 at 4:46 pmYou will have to excuse me lol was writing several things at once The person I was refering to was politicaljunkie in my above post
PEACE
April 5th, 2009 at 4:46 pmInteresting to see that, when all the intelligent discussion was done, the throw away trolls show up to defend the indefensible with crap like “Muslims choose the wrong God” and “being born gay isn’t the problem, it’s living gay that is” along with a whole lot of blah blah blah.
As much as Bill-O has been filling the airwaves with his hate speech and targeting TP, one would think there would be a much higher quality of troll. But maybe this is Bill-O’s cream of the crop.
PEACE
April 5th, 2009 at 4:56 pmPoliticalJunkie claims that Allah made men and women sexual pleasures for procreation purposes only. Does this mean, Mr. Junkie, that you don’t want sex, or participate in sex unless it is to procreate? Never? Somehow, I don’t think that is the case.
April 5th, 2009 at 5:04 pmWhere? Here? Point them out would you. I’ll get to their bottoms on this.
I wonder if Jane knows that Wayne is gay? Or visa versa.
April 5th, 2009 at 5:20 pmwe are winning the war in iraq ask hannity.
americans are dumb enough to believe we are winning that so called war.
they also believed we were winning the war in vietnam until the tet offensive.
we keep iraqi politicans locked up in the green zone so their own people dont kill them and we talk about winning the war in iraq. I bet most americans cannot even name the three tribes in iraq.
most americans never knew who the viet cong were in vietnam. we fight wars against people we dont even know. big money in wars for the few.
sad days in america with its war mongering saying it has something to do with terrorism.
afghan will be obama’s vietnam as he is making the same mistakes as LBJ and listening to his military generals. no conflict of interest there. :-)
April 5th, 2009 at 7:04 pmSo the Criminals Bush and Cheney brought democracy to Iraq.
April 5th, 2009 at 7:05 pmProud Says:
A better question is how STUPID ARE YOU. I think that is a bottomless well there. We already know that you are as much a bigot as you are a moron so there is no reason to address the stupid that is the basis of every post you make. Whenever I see one of your posts is is always just another hit and run post from one of the stupidest people on the face of the Earth
April 5th, 2009 at 7:16 pm.
April 5th, 2009 at 8:15 pmSome Sunday music videos celebrating the inevitable: Gay marriage will be legal by 2012. In the civilized that matter.
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So the Bush Administration destroys Iraq, and the Obama Administration is more than happy to say, “Our job is done. Let’s get out of here.”
And neither Administration has any problems with the country they have helped create, one which executes gays.
Bush – Obama – No difference.
April 5th, 2009 at 8:17 pm.
Civilized/ States that matter.
“EDIT” would be nice. Sigh.
April 5th, 2009 at 8:18 pm.
Oh, and by the way, says Obama, now that we have been successful in Iraq, let’s go do the same to Afghanistan.
Obama didn’t want Bush’s surge in Iraq; but he sure wants his own in Afghanistan.
Bush – Obama – No difference
April 5th, 2009 at 8:18 pmWow, what a site that just bashes Republicans. And now they are to blame for 6 gay Iraqi’s dead in Iraqi. What else? Stop equating them equal to those brutes – the Iraqi’s I mean – not the gays. Although, I’ve worked in Manhattan, and I’ve experienced hostile gays – not pleasant and it isn’t meant as a compliment.
April 5th, 2009 at 9:03 pmI guess it is far easier to attack other Americans – easy – right from you cozy home computer. I bet the majority of you on this website wouldn’t last on day in any Middle Eastern country and no, you can’t blame Bush for the majority of those countries.
Stop picking on Republicans and start worrying about your liberties that you’ll lose under Obama. It’s coming; it happened in Cuba and Venezuela; it can happen here.
AmericaBack – - f@g!
It should read, America’s bent over. And Europe along with the rest of the world is ready to give it to us good. Please elaborate on all those differences . . . troll.
April 5th, 2009 at 9:05 pmMajjohnc Says:
Other than showing just what an ignorant bigot and stupid troll you are what exactly is the point of that incoherent piece of stupid you posted?
April 5th, 2009 at 9:45 pmAmericasback(side)
Stop being so angry. Living in Mexico? Are you coming back now that Stalin . . . Hussein Obama is Dicator . . . Prez?
Eugene atrax robustus Debs
April 5th, 2009 at 10:05 pmFutue te ipsum!
Please note that the ones who killed the faggots were acting “in the name of Allah”; not in the name/authority of God.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:10 pmThe Christian mission is to convert, not to kill homosexuals, who otherwise will subject themselves to eternal punishment for their perversions.Jesus Christ requires all men to love one another. It is not possible to love someone while tolerating, let alone condoning his self destructive behavior.
Majjohnc Says:
You are still an ignorant moronic troll even in latin. Your weird fantasies about having sex with horses is YOUR burden to bear nothing to do with me. Did you think the fact you can google latin makes you look educated? Nah you are still just a brainwashed moron.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:12 pmwhite tiger Says
Ok so that is your bigoted take on the matter. By the way Allah simply MEANS lord. You arent very bright. There is no question that Allah is the same as the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob of the old testament. You can believe anything you want but Jesus never said a word about homosexuality and if you have a NEED to be a bigot I think you should stop looking to the bible for justification. It makes us Christian look like stupid brainless bigots. I dont much care for that. You speak only for yourself NOT for all Christians.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:14 pmGeorge W. Bush set out to remake Iraq in what most Republicans consider a democracy, i.e., a violent, theocratic, intolerant, misogynistic, homophobic, socially Darwinian, segregated nightmare. It appears that he’s succeeded.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:22 pmresponse to comment 26.
April 5th, 2009 at 10:43 pmI’m not gay. I’m a man. I’m outraged! Being gay is dishonoring to the entire tribe? We in the U.S.A can’t understand this? This justifies murder? I don’t need to understand this type of “cultural” mindset. This type of “cultural” mindset needs to be removed from the population, by lobotomy, if all else fails. Ignorant 7th century tribalism. Usually they are afraid that we will just steal and free their women but now they start to murder those men who have no interest in enslaving their women? What the F*** is wrong with these morons?
If a wise man argues with an idiot , you cant tell the two apart.
As is stated and as is proven fact – You cannot argue with truth or fact against opinion and lies. The latter can imagine any justification such is the human mind. Though one exists in reality and the other in human imagination.
Unfortunately , religion , at least those who have been allowed to speak for it , do not operate rationally . To make a religious fanatic listen one must use blunt tools , use changes which cannot be argued with and which cannot be debated. One way or the other , tolerance for such beliefs must be brought into the spotlight and questioned – just as the united states confronted the south over its use of slavery the use of religion on the ignorant is nothing more than a form of mental slavery , with the educated handlers gaining the most from it (see the GOP or Iraq , Iran , etc etc). As the world advances , religion will become more and more obstructionist and defensive as well as outright murderous.
What can be done ? Well simple.One method is to stop the aging process through genetic engineering and therapy. Religions greatest gift (or promised gift) is everlasting life. This is the sole ability of god alone. Grant this – and the precepts upon which the figure of god is based ceases to exist , the fact that it is just an amalgamation of those traits which we dare not take upon ourselves is laid bare. You create an impossible contradiction (even though that is already aparrent for those who learn enough)
Therefore a “blunt” instrument is created which cannot be argued with or debated. A catalyst for change that arguement could never acomplish and against which any amount of phrasing or rephrasing could not guard against. Future generations would see that all of this mess is nothing more than frivolous archaic custom , a dangerous one at that , to be disposed of like hazardous waste.
Barring this – your wasting your time debating them.
-_^
April 5th, 2009 at 11:03 pm“In Islam’s defense, they did give us advanced science, arithmetic, and medicine. Which is more than Christianity has ever given the world.”
On its own, without the petrodollars provided by the technology of the infidel West, Islam has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to advance the human condition since the 6th century.
April 5th, 2009 at 11:42 pmFinally, progress is being made in Iraq! Now if we could only execute child molestors in the US! But, unfortunately, we punish people who mistreat animals more than a queer that molests a human child. I tend to doubt that the Obama administration is capable of the progress that the Iraqis have made, considering Michelle Obama has a queer eye and both Barney Fudd Franks and Nancy Pelosi are anal deviants.
April 5th, 2009 at 11:48 pmLove, Grugnur
As a registered independent I am waiting for evidence the GOP had anything to do with this. BTW, it is irrelevant what Americans think about homosexuality. In this case, it is only relevant what Iraqis think about homosexuality. Hand-wringing accusations that Bush or Obama had any influence on these murders is just stupid.
April 5th, 2009 at 11:49 pmGrugnur Says:
My GOD you are ignorant. What was the point of that post other than to show just how stupid you are and how twisted and sick you have become. Do you LIKE being an ignorant bigot? Is it your aim to be the most dispicable depraved ignoramus in the world? Go back to blowing lepers on the docks fool. No one else is ever going to care what comes out of your mouth
April 6th, 2009 at 12:14 amGeorge W. Bush’s version of democracy and freedom.
April 6th, 2009 at 12:27 amThis is nothing new, and it’s the result of the US invasion and occupation and nothing else. The US has been arming and training both Sunni police and Shiite militia to target one another’s communities for ethnic cleansing. Both found time to hunt down, humiliate torture and murder GLBT folks. One young man, 14 years old, was hacked to pieces for being effeminate. (Not all that different from the murder of King a little over a year ago.)
http://www.blackvoices.com/boards/news-and-sports/bvcaucus/bv-caucus/-/28424/message/1
When Obama took office he inherited the mantle of war criminal from Bush who got it from Clinton, the ever so heroic mass murderer of half a million Iraqi children. Watch the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf83udJfbMs ONLY if you have a strong stomach – it’s horrific.
That’s why it’s unlikely that Obama will do anything meaningful to end this problem. The terrible inter communal strife in Iraq is just what the US government and military want because it divides Iraq while Texaco/Chevron and others establish hegemony over its petrochemical industries.
What Obama should do is order an immediate airlift to safety and asylum for everyone threatened with persecution, jail, torture and death and he should do the same for threatened GLBT folk in Jamaica, Uganda, Afghanistan, Poland and Nigeria. But he won’t, not in a millions years. Nor will he take even basic steps like ordering order Hillary Clinton to broadcast that US embassies and consulates everywhere in the world have an open arms policy towards granting asylum and protection for GLBT folks in danger of violence.
These easy humanitarian steps will never be taken. The US wants instability in the region. That’s why there are over a million dead in Iraq. That’s why the US finances zionist ethnic cleansing in Palestine and why the murder of civilians is increasing in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The dreadful truth is that dead GLBT folks are just ‘collateral damage to Obama and the Pentagon.
April 6th, 2009 at 12:40 amSince all of you queers bash America so much,why don’t you leave then,go and join your Iraqi butt buddies that you want to save so badly. Most of you are clearly a bunch of faggots,and the rest of you are just crazy ass religious whackos.
you should all be shot!!!
April 6th, 2009 at 1:15 amGay Bash4Fun Says:
Hey ignorant troll you are way to stupid to be taken seriously. Your gay issues are not interesting if it is getting crowded in your closet that is your problem and we dont care. Why dont YOU get out of our good country? Trailer trash like you demeans us all. We get the message you are ignorant you are a punk and you are a closet case. Now just go away and let the adults talk. You morons are boring
April 6th, 2009 at 1:24 amLMAO… Whats with all the aggression flamer boy?
Trailer trash, Troll, LOL
Dude are you like 12 or something? You seriously need more shooling on your grammar before you go and rant on forums like this. Your not even worth my time, go suck some more Iraqi dick you sick worthless waste of American air.
April 6th, 2009 at 1:45 amGay Bash4Fun Says:
No aggression. I dont think that word means what you think it means. I just said you were an ignorant bigoted moron. That is obvious to anyone that read your putrid bit of ignorance masquerading as a post. You are very stupid and the last person who needs to talk to me about an education. A moron like you doesnt even understand the concept. Too bad you have combined your stupidity with bigotry. You need to come to terms with your closeted gayness. It really doesnt matter to me but if it compels you to spew such arrogant stupidity publicly and to embarass yourself so utterly perhaps you need to seek some help.
April 6th, 2009 at 2:52 amBy the way your nick is Gay Bash4Fun all by itself that outs you as a punk and a moron
April 6th, 2009 at 3:35 am> As a registered independent I
> am waiting for evidence the GOP
> had anything to do with this.
Uhm..wow….gee, invading an entire country, disbanding its armed forces, and executing or imprisoning the upper ranks of its policy makers wouldnt have ANY effect on how its citizens start behaving afterward..right?
April 6th, 2009 at 5:35 amYes, jerking off for pleasure is ok. In fact, jerking your partner off is ok too as long as he or she is not the same sex. Once agian, man & women as God intended. All you homo’s (and or fags) quit feeling sorry for yourselves and thinking you deserve the same rights as a man & women relationship have becuz you don’t and hopefully never will.
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April 18th, 2009 at 6:01 amsac ekimi
This is the exact reason why this region of the world needs democracy!
April 30th, 2009 at 10:28 am