Senate Should Ignore Nutty Glenn Beck Conspiracy Theories And Appoint Harold Koh
Senate Should Ignore Nutty Glenn Beck Conspiracy Theories And Appoint Harold Koh
Our guest blogger is Henry Fernandez, a Senior Fellow at the Center For American Progress Action Fund.
As ThinkProgress recently noted, a small number of conspiracy-theory, far-right conservatives have raised concerns about Obama’s appointment of Harold Koh to be Legal Adviser to the Department of State. Their nutty views have been trumped up by Fox News and the NY Post, with extremist Glenn Beck leading the charge. This despite there being no basis in reality for the charges against Koh.
Today on his Fox News show, Beck ranted some more against Koh. Beck conceded, “There is a big debate on the internet, in the New York Times and everybody else, saying that I’m a crazy nut-job because of Harold Koh.” Watch it:
Koh is currently Dean of Yale Law School, with an international law and human rights resume that makes him uniquely qualified to be the top lawyer at the State Department. Unfortunately, these stellar qualifications have not been sufficient to move him quickly through the Senate, as he is one of several appointees being delayed by conservatives.
The right’s fabricated concern is that Koh would allow international law to trump U.S. law. This is based apparently on Koh’s speech to the Yale Alumni Association of Greenwich Connecticut, from which observer Steve Stein gathered that Koh wanted Islamic sharia law to govern in U.S. courts. But there is good reason to not believe Stein. The organizer of the event and head of the Alumni Association, Robin Reeves Zorthian, wrote to the NY Post:
The account given by Steve Stein of Dean Koh’s comments is totally fictitious and inaccurate. I was in the room with my husband and several fellow alumni, and we are all adamant that Koh never said or suggested that sharia law could be used to govern cases in US courts. The subject of his talk was Globalization and Yale Law School, so, of course, other forms of law were mentioned. But never did Koh state or suggest that other forms of law should govern or dictate the American legal system. Hopefully, your readers are interested in the facts.
More facts: Koh has consistently used US federal law in the U.S. federal courts to go after the leaders of military juntas that have killed Americans and citizens of other countries. This is the exact opposite of allowing foreign laws to trump U.S. law. He has also used US law to protect those who face persecution at the hands of powerful dictators.
Koh’s commitment to the rule of law is what really offends the hard right. His belief in the supremacy of US law has put him in direct conflict with some of the conspiracists’ favorite folks. Dean Koh testified before Congress against the nomination of Alberto Gonzales as Attorney General because of Gonzales’ support for torture. He also challenged the right of George H.W. Bush to house innocent Haitian refugees at a prison camp at Guantanamo Bay. Koh’s opponent — then-Solicitor General Ken Starr — argued that US law did not apply at Guantanamo, and thus the Haitians had no rights. Koh argued that both U.S. law and U.S. morality certainly applied there.
Harold Koh should be appointed, while liars and crazy people should be ignored.
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Look at who the right looks up to: Ashcroft, Gonzales, Yoo.
Need one say any more?
April 6th, 2009 at 7:51 pmBeck conceded, “There is a big debate on the internet, in the New York Times and everybody else, saying that I’m a crazy nut-job because of Harold Koh.”
It’s highly doubtful that Koh is responsible for your insanity , Glenn……….
April 6th, 2009 at 7:51 pmBeck conceded, “There is a big debate on the internet, in the New York Times and everybody else, saying that I’m a crazy nut-job because of Harold Koh.”
A. That isn’t the only reason.
B. There really isn’t any debate about it at all, Glenn.
April 6th, 2009 at 7:52 pmGlenn Beck is a fake. I’ve seen 2 decades of bad acting in college and he takes the cake.
His crying is fake. His laugh is fake. His emotion baiting is fake. He is just fake. Acting all the way.
April 6th, 2009 at 7:54 pmI dont think an adviser is in the position to allow international law to trump US law even if the charge were true…wonks?
April 6th, 2009 at 7:54 pm“…while liars and crazy people should be ignored.”
If only it were that simple.
(sigh)
April 6th, 2009 at 7:56 pmI dont know if Beck is a nut job…but depending on Dr Jack Daniels to cure depression is certainly not wise.
April 6th, 2009 at 7:56 pmNO!!! THEY SHOULD **NOT** BE IGNORED!!!
That is part of the problem on the left. When you IGNORE someone with a megaphone like Beck on Fox News who has MILLIONS of viewers, if you ignore him, you seem to indicate that you have no counter for him and he seems to have a point.
Instead, he needs to be SLAPPED down and CALLED-OUT for being a hate-filled fear monger ginning up violence with his rhetoric.
April 6th, 2009 at 7:56 pmThe right’s fabricated concern is that Koh would allow international law to trump U.S. law.
No, their real fear is that Koh would allow U.S. law to trump the BushCo Law du Jour/CYA mode of operation. And that would invariably result in trials and life sentences.
PEACE
April 6th, 2009 at 7:57 pmIs he going to start crying again? geez.
April 6th, 2009 at 7:59 pmIf the United States signs an international treaty, and that treaty is ratified by the United States Senate, aren’t we agreeing to give up some of our sovereignty to whomever must enforce that treaty? Don’t we do that all the time as it is? What’s the problem here?
April 6th, 2009 at 8:00 pmBeck, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Coulter, Imgraham, Doocy, Hannity, Kristol, Krauthammer etc etc etc have been ranting for years and still didnt help the GOP win in 2006 and 2008.
Beck doesnt make points, he points fingers and whines and cries because he is surrounded by those he surrounds – what kind of gibberish is that?
None of these babbling bloviating blobs have any new ideas…they just keep flogging the same one trick pony named blame to death.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:05 pmHas anyone else noticed that the far right has staked out the “conspiracy theorist” space?
What’s going on here – really? Why?
When you take into account that these two parties are in fact co-conspirators in a coup – and that the conspiracy theorists on the left have in fact been proven correct, it appears that the Republican co-conspirators have received marching orders to stake out positions previously occupied by the far left, in order to leave reality in the rear view mirror once and for all.
They are purposely taking us all the way through the looking glass. Are you paying attention?
http://oxdown.firedoglake.com/diary/3820
http://plungerspeaks.blogspot.com
http://bigdanblogger.blogspot.com/2009/04/big-dans-big-news-april-5-2009.html
Somethin’s happenin’ here.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:08 pmBTW Colbert isnt ignoring Beck
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtGGAkd71xQ
April 6th, 2009 at 8:08 pmthat gaffney guy is a real spook… he’s got himself convinced too.
he’s a master fillibusterer too… for lack of a better word at this time…
April 6th, 2009 at 8:16 pmhe’s the kind that MUST be talked over, if you want to get a word in at all, if for no other reason than to drown out his lying bullshit.
Fairness Doctrine is now in order. Beck is making the case night after night.
FAIRNESS DOCTRINE !!!!
April 6th, 2009 at 8:16 pmIt’s as though both Beck and Bachmann have been advised to spout the most controversial conspiracies the right has been accused of in order to get the left to chastise them for being “Conspiracy Theorists.”
The right is desperate to demonize “conspiracy theory” – to the extent that they are more than willing to throw a few of their own under the bus to make the term “conspiracy theorist” a bad thing once again.
The truth is hard on their heels, and they are desperate.
The “mark of Rove” is all over this.
Right wingers don’t suddenly turn into conspiracy theorists without coaching.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:19 pmHere is Glenn Beck squeezing out a similar, painful theory.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:20 pmBeing a Democrat these days means consistently having to defend yourself against stupidity.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/
April 6th, 2009 at 8:26 pmBeck, like faux news, is a fraud. Faux news should have its license revoked for fraud.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:27 pmplunger Says: It’s as though both Beck and Bachmann have been advised to spout the most controversial conspiracies
Not necessarily.
I suspect Bachmann is sincerely deranged, Beck is more calculated.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:28 pmHarold Koh should be appointed,
while liars and crazy people should be ignored.
thank you, henry.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:30 pmwell, actually, no, they shouldn’t be ignored, but i know what you mean…
i think.
no, we can’t ignore the lies.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:32 pmplunger Says:
It’s as though both Beck and Bachmann have been advised to spout the most controversial conspiracies the right has been accused of in order to get the left to chastise them for being “Conspiracy Theorists.”
So that they can the shout even more loudly–Help! Help I’m being oppressed!” and it will resonate more now because they are in the minority. Ergo they MUST be suffering from oppression.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:33 pm(And let’s not forget how ‘librulz’ are the real racists because they keep the blacks on welfare!–and all that crap).
5th Estate:
No question Bachmann is a complete wack job, but why suddenly stake out a position against the prospect of a new world order global currency when the left has been warning of the possibility (and David Rockefeller’s direct role therein) for years?
I don’t do coincidence.
Too cute by a factor of ten or more.
”That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. ”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
Karl Rove
April 6th, 2009 at 8:33 pm…
sort of ot,
saw a debate on the young turks
at youtube on whether or not becky’s
crying is fake. i vote fake.
***
jim and tammy faye’s crying was real.
but becky’s looks timed and calculated.
:)
April 6th, 2009 at 8:35 pm…and you…all of you…are taking Rove’s bait.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:36 pmWhy would anyone listen to crybaby Glen Beck of all people? Especially when Bush and Cheney didn’t even abide by any US laws or the US Constitution.
Dick Cheney was the leading practitioner of the ends-justify-the-means mentality, where only his vision of the desired ends counts. And if this means disregarding and disobeying the Constitution, torturing prisoners, killing thousands of American soldiers, disrespecting Congress, destroying our environment, embracing the invasion of illegal immigrants, increasing out national debt, and disregarding the will of the vast majority of Americans, so be it. Serving corporate interests rather than serving the people is Cheney’s brand of patriotism.
When Cheney was in office his view was that he is a part of the legislative branch, not the executive, so he does not have to comply with an Executive Order on reporting use of secret materials. It is wildly inconsistent with his prior claims of executive privilege. But Cheney has no use for logical consistency. Only what Cheney wants matters. (The only law that Cheney regularly obeys is gravity.)
Bush was a joke and Cheney is a monster.
And the Republicans are afraid of Harold Koh, please?
April 6th, 2009 at 8:41 pmNote:
“a small number of conspiracy-theory, far-right conservatives have raised concerns”
A sentence such as this was never constructed until the past few weeks.
Something sticks like manipulation – right here – right now.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:41 pmplunger,
that was a quote from a ny times article by ron suskind
and it was attributed to an unnamed “senior adviser to Bush”.
not karl rove.
“The aide said that guys like me were ”in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who ”believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ”That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. ”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
***
April 6th, 2009 at 8:43 pmTHE PARANOIA OF THE RIGHT WINGERS IS UNBELIEVABLE TO WATCH! THEY’RE INSANE AND ARE GRASPING AT ANYTHING TO FUEL A VIOLENT MOVEMENT AGAINST PRESIDENT OBAMA!
The only REAL reason they’re afraid of President Obama is because he’s a black Christian. Other than that, they’re just making up crap about him and fueling the violent retards of our society.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:45 pm“Help! Help I’m being oppressed!”
“Come and see the violence inherent in the system!” ;)
April 6th, 2009 at 8:47 pmJane must be one of those free thinking anarchists from that “semiautonomist collective”
April 6th, 2009 at 8:50 pmAn example of a run-on headline. Here’s all you need:
Senate Should Ignore Nutty Glenn Beck
An all-purpose rule of thumb.
April 6th, 2009 at 8:53 pmplunger Says:
[...] it appears that the Republican co-conspirators have received marching orders to stake out positions previously occupied by the far left
holy crap… i’ve been thinking this (frequently) and saying it (infrequently) for weeks!
aaargh! polunger! i can’t go any further… but i do know to trust my instincts more assuredly… thanks…
keep us informed, of course i’ll check in here…
April 6th, 2009 at 8:55 pmJane!
I always forget the “violence inherent….” bit! ThanX. :D
April 6th, 2009 at 9:00 pm“Senate Should Ignore Nutty Glenn Beck Conspiracy Theories And Appoint Harold Koh”
Agreed. Us earthlings should ignore the nut from Planet Wingnuttia. Anything that Beck says is crapola.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:01 pmwell, you fleshed it out more than i had gotten to… but i could agree…
Right wingers don’t suddenly turn into conspiracy theorists without coaching.
and i’ve been saying that WE have been coaching them! arg!
April 6th, 2009 at 9:01 pmI think we can all stipulate that Glenn Beck is a crazy nutjob, period. Or the ultimate whore… we’ve already seen his price.
And Frank Gaffney and Michelle Bachmann are the Ken and Barbie of batshitcrazyville.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:01 pm5th Estate:
April 6th, 2009 at 9:02 pmCan you help me out with that tree/beach thing? I am embarassed to admit that I know not the correct answer.
Thanks
#42 dbadass…
Fail.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:09 pmKayInMaine your 100% correct.
With all these rightwing lunatics running amok, I just hope Obama is careful. I don’t want this to be another Kennedy assassination paid for by Cheney and carried out by the GOP. This is really becoming really disturbing.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:10 pmJoe Cirrencione on RACHEL just now – must see.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:12 pmFor real. It is I and I really am curious. Is there a question you can ask that I would know the answer to that will convince you? I know you to be a reader and poster at two places that I do so I assume you know something about me and my style…
April 6th, 2009 at 9:13 pmGlenn Beck is wrong. There is no debate. He is a nut job.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:16 pmgaa! sorry about misspelling your name, plunger…
April 6th, 2009 at 9:18 pmno problem.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:20 pmI can understand the confusion.
dbadass…
April 6th, 2009 at 9:20 pmyou’d think I’d know your style by now… let me think on it a bit..
The United States does not give up its sovereignty when it signs a treaty. The treaty is an agreement between two or more sovereign nations which outlines the rights and responsibilities of both parties. In general the individual nations are responsible for keeping their own end of the bargain.
Some treaties do have penalties, but those penalties usually extend from the situation before the treaty was signed. For example, we might agree not to attack another country provided that certain conditions are met. If those conditions are not met then the treaty is voided and attack is a possibility again.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:21 pmTalk about confusion. Now I am responding before you have posted…
April 6th, 2009 at 9:22 pmdbadass Says: Jane must be one of those free thinking anarchists from that “semiautonomist collective”
It was an ‘anarcho-syndicalist commune’
April 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pmSo this makes Beck the leader and not Limbaugh, right?
April 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pmThere’s no debate about Bedlam Beck being crazy! Beck had better hope that one of the wingnuts that watches his shows doesn’t ‘nutup’ and shoot someone.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:38 pm53
April 6th, 2009 at 9:42 pmOkay I must have had shit all over me
Well, lets see if Limbaugh can out crazy Bachmann, Gaffney or Beck
April 6th, 2009 at 9:45 pm53 dbadass..
LOL, that wasn’t a test!!!
April 6th, 2009 at 9:46 pmJust trying to stick to the Monty Python canon.
plunger – might THIS be an example of the ‘conspiracy’?
April 6th, 2009 at 9:49 pm…at the kentucky gun thread..
Beck seemed disappointed when ‘Liely didn’t think he could bring good people to snap with his retoric. It’s on tape.
April 6th, 2009 at 9:50 pmwould someone please call glenn beck’s show and point out to him that john yoo would be a much better choice for this post?
April 6th, 2009 at 9:50 pm5th estate
April 6th, 2009 at 9:56 pmMy little buddy is back so I think it bst to not draw them to this thread. Still when it is appropriate I kind of want to know the correct answer.
best-
Harold Koh is a transnationalist that will not support the US Constitution. If you feel comfortable with the Constituton and Bill of Rights becoming just outdated historical documents and Amerca evolve into European norms, than Koh’s your guy.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:00 pmJoe:
I know that Suskind was the author of the story that led to this quote:
“The aide said that guys like me were ”in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who ”believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. ”That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. ”We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
He also knows who his source was – but has yet to reveal that it HAD TO BE Karl Rove.
Who else thinks/talks like that?
I’m all over Rove’s illegal act. It was him.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:05 pmnuna Says: Harold Koh is a transnationalist that will not support the US Constitution.
Do you recall what Dubya said about that piece of paper?
April 6th, 2009 at 10:08 pmNo, no nuna, the Constitution is just a Dog Damned piece of paper. Don’t cha remember.
Is there a significance to “nuna” being “a nun” spelled backwards.
Dragonflies that watch Rachel Maddow are suspicious that way. I knew a backwards nun once, she came to me to confess. I think it was my eyes.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:10 pmWho else thinks/talks like that -Plunger
Rove strikes me as more of a nationalist than an empiricist.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:10 pmWhat are you talking about?
April 6th, 2009 at 10:13 pmI wish people would wise up. The GOP is trying to hold up all these people just for the sake of getting attention. They are doing it for 2 reasons. One is to try show they are still relevant. The other reason is to try use it as leverage to prevent more torture documentation to come out. We can only guess what other skeletons are in the justice department closet that will undoubtedly make the GOP look bad!
April 6th, 2009 at 10:16 pmnuna Says:
Harold Koh is a transnationalist that will not support the US Constitution. If you feel comfortable with the Constituton and Bill of Rights becoming just outdated historical documents and Amerca evolve into European norms, than Koh’s your guy.
—
first, if he is, then becky certainly hasn’t uncovered any evidence of it.
second, if you are concerned about “the Constituton and Bill of Rights becoming just outdated historical documents” then you should have been out in the street protesting bush, and if you weren’t, then i would submit that you just don’t know what you are talking about. bush has certainly done demonstrably more to undermine the constitution and bill of rights than harold koh would ever have the power to do, and hopefully anyone ever will again.
third, re: “Amerca” evolving into European norms, i am suppressing a rip because i’m not sure what “European norms” you’re talking about, or how, if “evolve” means to improve, how that would be bad. please explain.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:20 pmHoly cow. I just read through the list of topics for the day, and I am absolutely astounded by the nonsense these people spew. Clearly there is no regard from these people for anything other than their self-interest. They have no regard for honesty, integrity, or respect. Amazing.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:20 pmWho are you talking to? Talking to ones self might make people think strange things about you.
Dragonflies don’t have that problem, we are strange by nature.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:32 pmGlenn Beck should be given a doctorate in absurd thought and notion.
The man is certifiable, psychotic and does it while channeling a nightmarish Mr. Rogers and the Neighborhood of Make-believe.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:34 pmnuna Says:
Harold Koh is a transnationalist that will not support the US Constitution. If you feel comfortable with the Constituton and Bill of Rights becoming just outdated historical documents and Amerca evolve into European norms, than Koh’s your guy.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Prove it.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:48 pmI have not noticed any debate on the Internet over whether Glenn Beck is crazy. There is near-universal agreement– Beck is nuts. Even the right-wing bloggers I’m in contact with refuse to be associated with him.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:54 pmIf you feel comfortable with the Constituton and Bill of Rights becoming just outdated historical documents and Amerca evolve into European norms, than Koh’s your guy.
With Bush’s eviseration of habeaus corpus, and spying on ALL US citizens, we already have one foot in the USSR, comrade.
But you were silent then. Why?
April 6th, 2009 at 10:57 pmI guess “nuna” was just full of shit.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:58 pmWho else thinks/talks like that?
Cheney, Addington, Feith, and a few others.
April 6th, 2009 at 10:59 pmdbad 62… that’s the real you. I’ll give you the answer at another time in another place…soon-ish. as soon as this impostor is properly banished.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:15 pmHeck! Why deal with messy, real, issues when you can just make sh!t up?
April 6th, 2009 at 11:16 pm…
i’m going to have to agree
with tbone and say that becky
is a nut bar.
;;
April 6th, 2009 at 11:18 pm“Transnationalist” is a scary word the Reichwhiners made up when they realized that the rest of the world has accepted President Obama, as do most Amwericans.
I think they know they’re a dying breed. Which, unfortunately, makes them desperate and dangerous.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:20 pm:)
“Harold Koh should be appointed, while liars and crazy people should be ignored.”
best idea so far!
:)
April 6th, 2009 at 11:26 pmCan’t believe what I am hearing! Does anyone out there remember 911 and the affects of that terrorist act or was this just some sort of governmental conspiracy? Wise up guys, the only reason why you have a platform to voice your grievances is because of the Bill of Rights and the US Constitution. Do you really believe that the preservation of individual freedom doesn’t come with a price? If you think that enemies fighting on the battlefield targeting to kill our sons and daughters should be given the rights reserved for us is simply crazy in the head. I have three brothers that fought for your freedoms of expression, one in special forces. I suppose that some of you think it’s ok to behead Americans with the TV camaras running.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:30 pmAfter further consideration, I think that “nut bar” is too mild.
I am pressing for Becky to be labeled an enemy.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:31 pmSo you think that if people don’t think like you, they’re the enemy? So sad for you.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:36 pmWell, nuna. Since your three brothers are serving while you are not I can only conclude you are a kid or a coward. Neither of those should express their opinions on matters they can’t comprehend in an adult conversation..
April 6th, 2009 at 11:36 pmNo, nuna. I think that people who foment rebellion in a civilized country are enemies.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:38 pmI was right. nuna is full of shit.
nuna, we don’t preserve our rights and freedoms by signing them away. If that’s what you and your brothers think, then you are all sadly misinformed.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:39 pmSorry you jumped to an erroneous conclusion. Reread what I wrote … past tense. I’m a mom, an educator and a realist. How bout you?
April 6th, 2009 at 11:40 pmAlso, what does nuna fear will happen if we follow our own Constitution when dealing the suspected terrorists?
That justice will be done?
Stop pissing your pants.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:40 pmDamn filter!
I think nuna is a cowardly little b!tch.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:41 pmThe U.S. military accepts women. What’s your excuse, nuna?
April 6th, 2009 at 11:42 pmBTW. There’s no way in Hell that Becky could think like me. He doesn’t even think.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:43 pmPete, you don’t know a thing about me. You don’t get it. The last time I was shot at, I didn’t stop and read them their rights. To do so means someone comes home in a body bag.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:44 pmnuna,
I fought for your parents, so what? Why didn’t you fight?
April 6th, 2009 at 11:48 pmSo, nuna, are you a moist trollette? Do you get wet when innocent people die?
April 6th, 2009 at 11:51 pmI’m not in favor of beheading Americans even when the “TV camaras” aren’t running.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:54 pmObviously, nuna doesn’t mind the US holding people in prison without charge or trial, and is okey dokey with waterboarding — and torture in general.
Taking that a bit further, I’m sure she wouldn’t mind Laura Ling and Euna Lee receiving the same treatment in North Korea.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:58 pmIgnore the “dbadass” name hijacker.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:00 am“The last time I was shot at, I didn’t stop and read them their rights. To do so means someone comes home in a body bag.”
I’ll bite: The last time you were shot at, just what did you do?
April 7th, 2009 at 12:01 amArticle VI of the U.S. Constitution with emphasis added:
Abiding by International Law is often necessary in order to abide by our agreements, and our own Constitution.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:02 amnuna still hasn’t provided any proof that Koh will not uphold the US Constitution.
Put up or shut up, nuna.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:04 amUnless, of course, there is a way to make a profit from it on pay per view. Business interests top moral standards. That’s why you can buy booze on Sundays today where Sunday sales were once banned.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:05 amYou guy are more interested in who I am than the issues. I’m bored with all of this circle jerking. Looking for serious people to address serious issues, who are not stroking each other’s egos and who are not reduced to name calling.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:05 amnuna,
I asked you to provide proof of your initial comment.
We’re waiting.
If you can’t provide the proof, then just say so.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:07 amnuna Says:
I did not call you a name. You said “The last time I was shot at, I didn’t stop and read them their rights. To do so means someone comes home in a body bag.” If you meant to use this as part of whatever argument you’re making, I, for one, am curious about the details. Being shot at sounds serious to me.
On the other hand, if you just trying to indicate what a tough person you are, who were you trying to impress?
April 7th, 2009 at 12:11 amnuna…?
April 7th, 2009 at 12:12 amYou find much insight into serious issues by watching or listening to Beck. If there is such a thing as a little Eichmann, I’m sure Beck is as close as we have here in the USA. Why he gets a platform to spout his drivel over the Public Airwaves, I have no idea. The Right seems to fear anybody who is educated.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:12 amPsst…Zooey…wanna stroke each other’s egos? ;)
April 7th, 2009 at 12:13 amnuna
Would you explain this:
“The last time I was shot at, I didn’t stop and read them their rights. To do so means someone comes home in a body bag.”
I know I’m reading it out of context because there is none.
Do you teach?
April 7th, 2009 at 12:14 amSure, Jane.
You first. :-D
April 7th, 2009 at 12:14 amI think she meant to say, “The last time I shot up…”
April 7th, 2009 at 12:15 amAuggie,
If nuna teaches, I really hope she doesn’t teach English.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:15 amNo rational human could listen to Becky without being disgusted.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:15 amnuna…..?
April 7th, 2009 at 12:16 amZooey Lepidoptera Says:
Sure, Jane.
You first. :-D
April 7th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Damn! I knew as soon as I posted it that I shoulda asked, say, some handsome blue dragonfly instead! :D
April 7th, 2009 at 12:16 amHarold Koh sound like a very bright, well educated and sensible person. No wonder the Right is pulling tricks to block him.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:18 amHeh.
I need to go to bed anyway. You can stroke the dragonfly instead. ;)
April 7th, 2009 at 12:19 amNow that I think about it. I am really pleased with myself for coining the phrase “moist trollette”. Should I get over myself or; should I get a huzzah!
I await the judgment of rational humans.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:20 amI hope I can sleep. I’m all concerned about nuna…
nuna….!!??
April 7th, 2009 at 12:20 ampete,
HUZZAH!!!
April 7th, 2009 at 12:21 amHarold Koh has critized the US’s in its failure to follow European norms. His belief in the law is evolutionary, meaning the Constitution is not something that we base our form of government by, but our government should be liquid, moving towards the norms of world wide views. Thousands have died to protect the Constitution. To get an idea as to how Mr. Koh would advise, you look at their reputation and core belief. His reputation is one of having a radical base. I’m not sure any of us should feel comfortable with that. Does anyone really want to go down that road?
Have a good nite. Sleep well.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:21 amHUZZAH, PETE!
g’night, Zooey!
April 7th, 2009 at 12:22 amBeck is undeniably inciting something. Of that there is no doubt.
Has Beck ever articulated what he is inciting, if not violence?
April 7th, 2009 at 12:22 amnuna,
That is not proof. That is YOU saying so.
As an “educator,” you should know better.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:23 am“Does anyone really want to go down that road?”
A) Cite some evidence, a link would be handy; and
B) After the road that our tattered Constitution has been driven down for the last eight years, WTF could the Obama administration’s Legal Advisor to the Department of State possibly do that would be worse?
And on that note, I’m off to bed, too. Goodnight all.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:27 amThank you, ladies. I really don’t want to offend unless my target is begging for it.
“Moist trollette” it is. A worthy mate for a “stupid troll”.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:28 amWe already went down the road of treating the Constitution as if it were just “Damn piece of paper” which led to the weird and nasty idea of a Unitary executive along with breaking treaties, torturing and denying captives any sort of due process. Sounds like Fascism to me. Harold Koh can at least read and understand “the damn piece of paper”. Bring him on. Lets get the ball rolling despite the underhanded actions of a few wingnuts and the blathering of dufus Beck.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:31 amIt’s perfect, pete. Goodnight!
April 7th, 2009 at 12:31 amHarold Koh deserves an up or down vote.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:32 amGood night, ladies.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:34 amOT, but will this never end?
April 7th, 2009 at 12:38 amFocus On Family Narrator Arrested, Charged With Luring Teen For Sex
http://www.alan.com/2009/04/07/focus-on-family-narrator-arrested-charged-with-luring-teen-for-sex/comment-page-1/#comment-146506
Zooey Lepidoptera, any time a new poster badmouths Europe I get suspicious. I remember people who use to gain their historical perspective from Classic Comics and Cliff’s Notes but compared to today’s students of Faux News they were geniuses.
Jane E. Schneider, I know I’m handsome, thank you, and I’ve been attracted to you for a while, but I’m not up for ants in my pants and Wayne is an ant!
Have either of you ever had a six-appendage rub down?
April 7th, 2009 at 12:40 amPachydiplax de St. Augustine Says:
Zooey Lepidoptera, any time a new poster badmouths Europe I get suspicious. I remember people who use to gain their historical perspective from Classic Comics and Cliff’s Notes but compared to today’s students of Faux News they were geniuses.
Jane E. Schneider, I know I’m handsome, thank you, and I’ve been attracted to you for a while, but I’m not up for ants in my pants and Wayne is an ant!
Have either of you ever had a six-appendage rub down?
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i have.
over rated.
:)
April 7th, 2009 at 12:59 amJoe, I’m reminded of the foot massage scene from Pulp Fiction,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Fn4Wkat7Ic&feature=related
Me? I’m the six-appendage master. I’ve got my technique down and all!
April 7th, 2009 at 1:23 am:)
Every real patriot in the country needs to see this clip!!!
No commentary is needed. It made me puke.
http://crooksandliars.com/john-amato/glenn-beck-blames-crooksandliars-and-ko
April 7th, 2009 at 2:14 amHas Obama or any of the Democrats in Congress ever hear of a thing called “Recess Appointment”.
April 7th, 2009 at 3:06 am.
Q U E S T I O N:
When did America become a Nation guided by extremist ideology?
(R)ush, Hannity, Gingrich, Beck, O’Liely, Drudge, Dobs, etc.
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April 7th, 2009 at 3:17 amthe demos hide in fear of the repubs.
even without the white house, the senate or the house the repubs are making their presence known.
the repubs see the world completely different than the demos.
until we figure out why that is our country is toast.
the end result bye bye middle class.
look south of the border to see the future of america.
a country of haves and have nots is coming to america.
all the signs are there but no one wants to see it for a variety of reasons.
April 7th, 2009 at 4:01 amI surmise that the only people listening to Beck, Limbaugh, O’Reilly and their ilk, are all the dead from the neck up yuppies and dot commers who believe they are above the working middle class slobs such as myself. They’re the ones trying to hold on to a long gone era of fast wealth and prosperity that disappeared as quickly as it came. So get a grip and face the reality that the well has finally run dry after three decades of wasteful abuse and join the rest of us jobless workers standing in the bread line. Hey buddy, can you spare a million bucks?
April 7th, 2009 at 5:58 amkatydid@69..Thanks for the link. Explained what I’ve been feeling very well.
researcher@141 If you missed katydid’s post, you should go back and read the link.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:54 amOOOOOOPs katydid @ 59.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:55 amnuna Says:
Do you really believe that the preservation of individual freedom doesn’t come with a price? If you think that enemies fighting on the battlefield targeting to kill our sons and daughters should be given the rights reserved for us is simply crazy in the head.
April 6th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
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You just answered your own question. Yes, the preservation of individual freedom DOES come with a price, and that price is the UNIVERSAL application of these individual rights and freedoms. It means equality under the law, and those people trying to kill our sons and daughters are JUST as worthy of the rights and protections of the law as our sons and daughters on the battlefield.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:17 amresearcher Says:
look south of the border to see the future of america.
a country of haves and have nots is coming to america.
April 7th, 2009 at 4:01 am
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Coming to America? I’d say the United States has always been a country of haves and have-nots. We just have a few sub-classes in between: have-somes, have-mores, have-barely-enoughs, and had-lots-but-lost-its.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:20 amIf this site took its own advice and ignored liars and crazy people, about 97% of the posts would disappear. Seriously, is all we’re going to get a diet of Glenn Beck and Michelle Bachmann instead of more substantive issues? We GET IT already.
April 7th, 2009 at 8:35 amnorbizness Says: Don’t like the topics on this site, there’s an easy solution. Don’t come here.
April 7th, 2009 at 8:44 amwhy don’t you just admit that most of you believe in a socialist society and move on. The government is not the answer it never has been please read the constitution and the bill of rights. and just so you know I am a regular schmo working hard just like the rest of you.
April 7th, 2009 at 8:56 amhctim84, So since the government is not the answer and never has been, what is the answer? I’m sure when you reach retirement age you will be turning down that SS check right? I also guess we have been wrong to have police and fire departments and should just hire private company’s. Maybe when you lose your job, you’ll find someone to support you, instead of an unemployment check. I also guess you won’t be driving on any of those inter-state highways the federal government built either right? Oh well, enough fun with you.
April 7th, 2009 at 9:13 amhctim84 Says:
why don’t you just admit that most of you believe in a socialist society and move on.
April 7th, 2009 at 8:56 am
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Ok, done. I believe in a socialist society. I believe they exist, and that there are are quite a few of them, particularly in Europe. While they certainly have had their share of economic problems, at least their people have the right to health care.
April 7th, 2009 at 9:21 amangels 81 do you really believe that check is going to be there when we retire it is these idiots in washington that have bankrupted social security. You do know that police and fire are local government and the closer to local it is the better. the federal government is the problem. They have completely over stepped there authority they have stuck there nose in where it was never meant to be. I have taken measures to provide for my retirement I don’t expect the government to provide for me. Bernie madoff goes to jail for doing what the feds have been doing for fifty years. Its a ponzi scheme you idiots. and the fun has just begun.
April 7th, 2009 at 9:24 amIt’s up to us to decide whether Fox News and it’s disciples–O’Reilly, Hannity, Beck, et. al.–succeed or fail. To the extent that we watch, they succeed. Ratings are based on viewership, not opinion; therefore every viewer is a financial supporter. I never watch Fox News channel.
That they are propagandists is a given, but advocates for what I am against. Thoreau cautioned that attending to trivial ideologues can trivialize one’s mind.
April 7th, 2009 at 10:18 amBeck absolutely is crazy…
…which is why the Reichwingers watch that scumbag…
…they are equally crazy.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:24 pmThat Dr. Koh is eminently qualified is beside the point. The reason he and Dr. Johnsen are being held up is to prevent Pres. Obama from publicly releasing the memos about torture under the Bush administration. All this bit about Sharia and whatnot is pure smokescreen to provide bait for the baying hounds. The real reason the Republicans are holding up the nomination is to cover their respective adipose tissue reservoirs.
April 7th, 2009 at 12:58 pm149 YOU ARE A RETARD,TO GET HEATH CARE IN OTHER COUNTY’S 50 % TAX RATE AND A ADV OF FOUR HOURS IN A WAITING ROOM,YOUR A LOSER.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:28 pmHarold Koh is not qualified and Alberto Gonzalez was? What an upside down world Republicans live in.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:50 pmThe real question that comes to mind here is this: Why, oh why, is the human rights expert not heading the justice dept.? Seems like Obama could still use the help there. So far, all holder’s managed to do, just like his predecessors, is REFUSE TO OBEY THE LAW! Oh yeah, and protect and defend the illegalities of the Bush admin. without reservation, or hesitance.
Another worthless appointee. I wonder what would happen if everyone called for jury duty told the judge they must be excused, as they might be too tempted to follow the Injustice Department’s example, and refuse to pass judgment on someone accused of a crime until such time as they bring charges against someone who ISN’T a (by now) defenseless citizen? Or judge them by standards the former head of the dept. did when asked about prosecuting official illegalities: ‘Just because it’s illegal, doesn’t make it a crime.’ Seems like the same standard is at work now as it was then…
April 8th, 2009 at 2:43 amnuna Says:
Either cough up some evidence this is true or STFU. If you think pulling idiotic assertions directly out of your ass is an actual cogent argument you are wrong.
April 8th, 2009 at 4:47 amnuna Says:
No you havent. No US soldier has fought for any Americans freedom since WW2 at BEST and the argument could be made since the war of 1812. Fought for ideology, for corporate profits but not for my freedom. You are a moron. How exactly is someone in Iraq fighting for my freedom? Terrorists can kill us but they cant take our freedom that would take an invasion and militarily taking us over. Are you saying that the Iraqis were just about to build papyrus rafts, float across the Atlantic, somehow missing our Navy invade and take us over? That is plain stupid. You are a fascist. Either you believe in the rule of law or you dont. If you are willing to see ANYONE arrested and kept without trial then you are a fascist who doesnt believe in the rule of law. Fine. Believe anything you want but understand you are an un-American jackbooted thug.
April 8th, 2009 at 4:54 amnuna Says: 104
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April 8th, 2009 at 4:57 amnuna Says:
A radical base at YALE? Is that a joke? The constitution was written in broad principles instead of airtight specifics so it COULD evolve. You dont know what you are talking about and even though you SAID you came here to discuss serious issues all you have done is toss out baseless assertions you cannot POSSIBLY back up and whine piteously. Grow up
April 8th, 2009 at 5:01 amhctim84 Says:
Why dont YOU admit you are a brainwashed moron and go back to your bridge. Just so you know I am also a regular working guy who thinks morons like you ought to just STFU
April 8th, 2009 at 5:04 amhctim84 Says:
My GOD you are stupid. Has the United States EVER defaulted on a debt? You are a brainwashed moron who doesnt even KNOW what he thinks until the AM radio screechmonkey of your choice TELLS you what to think. Local governments are STILL the government you insufferable ignorant bufoon. Here is a hint someone as stupid as you desperatly needs. YOUR STUPIDITY DOES NOT DEFINE REALITY
April 8th, 2009 at 5:08 ambumpfister Says:
My GOD you are a stupid pathetic brainwashed moron. Just go away. Your STUPID is stinking up the thread
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