Right wing attacks ‘wealthy homosexual activists’ for pushing the ‘tyranny’ of marriage equality.
Right wing attacks ‘wealthy homosexual activists’ for pushing the ‘tyranny’ of marriage equality.
For years, conservatives have attacked “activist judges” for ruling that bans on same-sex marriage are unconstitutional. Today, the Vermont legislation overrode a veto by Gov. Jim Douglas (R) and became the first state to approve same-sex marriage through the legislature — without the help of any courts. However, this fact didn’t deter the far right, which immediately began putting out statements decrying the “wealthy homosexual activists” who are driving this movement to dismantle “democracy.” A sampling:
Tony Perkins, Family Research Council: “Same-sex ‘marriage’ is a movement driven by wealthy homosexual activists and a liberal elite determined to destroy not only the institution of marriage, but democracy as well. Time and again, we see when citizens have the opportunity to vote at the ballot box, they consistently opt to support traditional marriage.”
Mathew Staver, Liberty Counsel: “By redefining marriage, the Vermont legislature removed the cornerstone of society and the foundation of government. The consequences will rest on their shoulders and upon those passive objectors who know what to do but lack the courage to stand against this form of tyranny.”
Concerned Women for America: “Vermont legislators’ futile attempt to replace God by vainly redefining marriage eerily follows how that first man and woman acted on the first temptation — and the root of all temptations — to act as if they were gods. That one decision by Adam and Eve to believe that they could ‘be like God’ separated them from God, destroyed the peace that they had experienced, and ushered in what some would call ‘unintended consequences’ of pain and destruction.”
Andrew Sullivan looks at the post “judicial activism argument” world.
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Let the first nationally known conservative pundit not making over seven figures a year cast the first poverty stone.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:44 pmIt’s sad that these Reichwhiners will never realize how insane their words really are.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:46 pmI assume Hannity, Beck, and the other FOX hacks will be releasing the names of these tyrannical ‘wealthy homosexual activists’ any day, right?
April 7th, 2009 at 5:47 pmLooks like these radical lunatic fringe Right wingers don’t know true democracy at work when they see it!!
April 7th, 2009 at 5:47 pm“Same-sex ‘marriage’ is a movement driven by wealthy homosexual activists…”
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Translation — “their activists are doing better than our activists…”
April 7th, 2009 at 5:48 pmGot batshit crazy?
April 7th, 2009 at 5:49 pmMathew Staver, Liberty Counsel: “By redefining marriage, the Vermont legislature removed the cornerstone of society and the foundation of government. The consequences will rest on their shoulders and upon those passive objectors who know what to do but lack the courage to stand against this form of tyranny.”
I will tell one damned thing for certain, Mr. Staver. You and people such as yourself along with the repugnant right wing conservatives in Washington had best pray that “those passive objectors” on the left never find the courage you assume they are missing.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:50 pmThese peoples’ heads are about to explode. Mr. Perkins needs to read a civics book. The rights of a minority are never to be put up for a popular vote because the majority will invariably vote to restrict the rights of a minority. That’s why we have things like the Civil Rights ACT and Brown VS. BOE. If you were to ask Southern voters in the 1960s if they wanted to end segregation, the majority vote would have repeatedly defeated it. The same goes for school desegregation. These things can and should only be done throgh the legislature and the judiciary.
According to Mr. Staver, marriage is the foundation of our government. That explains why only married couples can vote or serve in elected office.
And the Concerned Women of America are basically seeking to replace the Constitution with a Christian version of Shari’a Law. They would like to overturn any law or policy that doesn’t fall in direct line with the Bible, thus doing the exact thing that we rail against “Islamofascists” for doing. If we were to take their plans literally and realistically, we would see a return to slavery, fathers selling their daughters, and polygamy become the country’s new laws.
They need to get over themselves. I don’t see how two guys being in love and getting married in Vermont would affect my heterosexual marriage in Illinois.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:50 pmcan we ask the religious right if they think that marriages performed by other religions (i.e., non-evango-protestantism) are arrogations of god’s power? aren’t they also replacing what you refer to when you say god with a big ‘g’?
hmm…let’s see how far you get with that.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:50 pmHEY! You leave Lou Dobbs out of this!
April 7th, 2009 at 5:50 pm“Vermont legislators’ futile attempt to replace God by vainly redefining marriage eerily follows how that first man and woman acted on the first temptation — and the root of all temptations — to act as if they were gods.”
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OK, this has GOT to be the weirdest comment by somebody on the right on the issue of gay marriage, and I’ve certainly heard some loony ones.
Anybody else got any contenders for the title?
April 7th, 2009 at 5:51 pmalso, should we keep a running count of the repugnicans who have publicly called for armed rebellion? oh please?
so far we got bachmann, staver…who else?
April 7th, 2009 at 5:52 pmBrian Crooks Says:
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hear hear. you should check out reza aslan’s new book ‘how to win a cosmic war’. i think it drops on the 20th.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:55 pmstjack Says:
also, should we keep a running count of the repugnicans who have publicly called for armed rebellion? oh please?
so far we got bachmann, staver…who else?
April 7th, 2009 at 5:55 pm=================
Go ahead and add Glenn Beck to the list. Plus Mike Gallagher and Mark Steyn.
wow.
what a bunch of sore losers
and excuse-makers.
i’d be ashamed to be such a hysterical ninny about anything.
then again, I was taught to be responsible for myself.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:58 pm“Time and again, we see when citizens have the opportunity to vote at the ballot box, they consistently opt to support traditional marriage.”
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Which is why, when it comes to ensuring people are given the civil rights they are entitled to, we don’t put it to the voters.
If we had put the issue of slavery to the voters, slavery wouldn’t have ended when it did.
If we had put the issue of racial integration to the voters, legal segregation would have lasted far longer than it did, and may still have been the law of the land today.
If we had put the issue of women’s suffrage to the voters, would women even be able to vote today?
The populace will generally accept allowing minority segments of the population to have the same rights as the majority, but only after it’s been put into practice. And so it shall be with granting people of any sexual orientation the right to get married.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:59 pmThe only time I fear gays is when they’re mad at me.
Xe
April 7th, 2009 at 5:59 pmPlease tell me their not going to attack Dick Cheney’s daugher or her partner. That would be so wrong as even Dick accepts equal rights for gays.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:00 pmI always wonder what these fat, rich, white men are so afraid of. It their beloved instutions, beliefs, ’society and the foundation of government’ are so fragile that a couple gays getting married threaten it, then they are too weak to live and should die, or be put out of their misery, which ever comes first.
Has anyone else noticed how chickenshit the right is? Those boys are ascared of everything.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:00 pmYeah. It’s the gays.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:03 pmoh my gosh, how I LOVE these gay-hating sore losers.. now it’s the “wealthy” gay activists who are to blame..
like Newt, who’s saying (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D97DOT903&show_article=1) that those Iowa SC Justices were “arrogant” in recognizing equal rights for gays… so what can they say now about Vermont, where marriage equality was recognized today by the LEGISLATURE???? aren’t they always saying these things should be left to the legislatures???? but they’re STILL complaining.. these bigots don’t CARE really, whether marriage equality is recognized by a legislature or by a court, they just CARE that it’s being recognized at all… anything else they say is pure BS, signifying NOTHING — except their bigotry and backward thinking…
P.S.: excellent comment in url cited above:
April 7th, 2009 at 6:04 pmKeep talking Newt….The Republican party is losing every demographic except white straight men……People under 35 have very little if any bias on Race, Sex, and Sexual Orientation. American society will become more and more LIBERAL and there is nothing you biggots [sic] can do! HA!..
Word of the week: Tyranny
Limbaugh sets the vocabulary
So, after 8 years of silence about the autocracy of Bush and Cheney, the wingers accuse Obama of tyranny after 3 months in office. Gun sales are way up in the Red States because “Obama’s gonna take yer guns. Git ‘em now before you can’t.”
Perkins, where is the tyranny in equality?
How does gay marriage in any way threaten to “destroy” traditional marriage? If the wingers are so concerned about preserving marriage, they should be railing against divorce.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:05 pmCal Malenky Says:
Word of the week: Tyranny
Limbaugh sets the vocabulary
So, after 8 years of silence about the autocracy of Bush and Cheney, the wingers accuse Obama of tyranny after 3 months in office. Gun sales are way up in the Red States because “Obama’s gonna take yer guns. Git ‘em now before you can’t.”
Perkins, where is the tyranny in equality?
How does gay marriage in any way threaten to “destroy” traditional marriage? If the wingers are so concerned about preserving marriage, they should be railing against divorce.
I ALWAYS make that point. If they were really concerned about keeping marriage sacred, we should see them proposing outlawing divorce every single election year. But they never do because it’s not about preserving sacred marriage, it’s about bashing homosexuals.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:06 pmCan someone translate the gibberish from the Concerned Women for America into English, please?
I cannot make head nor tail of their babble: Adam & Eve, some gods, pain and destruction… what does that have to do with same-sex marriage? Do they mean to say that gay sex is a temptation? wtf are these “concerned” women talking about?
April 7th, 2009 at 6:06 pmIf gay marriage is wrong, God is the victim. By setting up secular prohibitions and sanctions, these people are the ones taking the matter out of God’s hands and putting it into their own. So, who’s playing God?
April 7th, 2009 at 6:07 pm“Concerned Women for America” are a freaking joke! They are nothing but the same fundies that the others are.
Totally. Full. O’. Crap!
April 7th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
April 7th, 2009 at 6:08 pmYeah. Like there’s no such thing – ever – as a conservative gay.
After reading their quotes, it’s finally dawned on me Rightwingers live in a parallel world that looks superficially like mine, but is not quite the same. Or sane, for that matter…
April 7th, 2009 at 6:09 pmhi crazy!
how’s the ice today?
enjoy a fresh, red flag
they’re free!!!!!
April 7th, 2009 at 6:12 pmif we are against the radical right wing, are we against the radical left wing too? or are they okay?
Why do you want to know?
April 7th, 2009 at 6:14 pmwhat a waste of human life they are.
Somebody’s gotta pay for the last eight years, so I welcome them as fellow taxpayers.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:17 pmWhen the radical left wing starts breeding the kinds of crazies the right does, the ones who think killing and hate are neat answers, yeah, I’ll be against them too.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:18 pmI flagged, and was highly amused at her thanking you…
April 7th, 2009 at 6:18 pmIt’s that PMSD sufferer/Amanda stalker who was here Sunday trying to earn a Restraining Order.
Flag away, before we get a 400-post thread consisting of cut-and-paste luncay.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:18 pm“wealthy” homosexual activists? That doesn’t make any sense. All of the trolls always say we are all on welfare and live in our parents basements. Now we are the liberal elite?
April 7th, 2009 at 6:20 pmTeh gays seem to bring out the trolls, are they all gay too?
April 7th, 2009 at 6:20 pmno – too tacky to be gay.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:22 pm1) All Americans are equal before the law.
2) You cannot deny to a minority a right enjoyed by the majority.
This is the heart of American democracy—not scripture.
I might add, it is irrelevant how that minority is constituted–i.e. even if being gay were a choice, it doesn’t matter.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:22 pm…but definitely obsessed enough to have multiple restraining order against them,
and be in the advanced stages of PMSD.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:26 pmIt is very pathetic that the Republicans keep projecting their playbook. Like the kid caught with cherry pie all over his face by mom and pointing at his little brother and screaming he did it.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:28 pmWoosh. Flagging works, at least temporarily.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:28 pmSigh, a nickle just doesn’t buy as much these days.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:31 pmthat person is having a serious emotional crisis.
too bad we don’t have better public health care – yet.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:32 pmThe right winger religious block is loosing, that’s all.
The gay marriage amendment will go from state to state and will eventually tally a majority of states…the religious right is loosing big time and they know it.
No one listens to their guilt tripping bible quotes; sane level-headed people know gay marriage is not a religious issue, just like that crazy Kansas church that protest military funerals trying to make it an anti-gay event.
It just does not compute…as I said, they’re loosing and they know it.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:32 pmTony Perkins, Family Research Council: “Same-sex ‘marriage’ is a movement driven by wealthy homosexual activists and a liberal elite determined to destroy not only the institution of marriage, but democracy as well.
Hmm… we’ve had same-sex marriage in Canada for several years now– and guess what?– neither marriage nor democracy have been destroyed! Perkins is a ranting homophobe.
And “…follows how that first man and woman acted on the first temptation…” — any group that actually believes in Adam & Eve as the first persons deserves to be completely ignored.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:34 pmI take great glee in knowing that the anti-homosexual rights lobby are in apoplexy right now given the fact that the Vermont Legislature has taken away the “activist judge boogeyman” talking point. They are now reduced to making the inane argument that this legislation enacted by popularly elected representatives is somehow inconsistent with the democratic process. Likewise, the assertion that a heterosexual marriage is “the cornerstone of democracy” is utterly ridiculous. These are the same people that probably voted for McCain and would love to vote for Gingrich if given the chance, two individuals who have done a poor job of maintaining that “cornerstone”.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:34 pmRight wing attacks ‘wealthy homosexual activists’ for pushing the ‘tyranny’ of marriage equality.
what a great example of the gopper mind set…. money buys all.
Could it be, now that many of the gay population have outed their self, that maybe the general population can now see this group as normal citizens deserving of equal rights?
And what wedge issue can the goppers muster up in place of gay issue as they are losing this one?
April 7th, 2009 at 6:34 pmamanda the (woman of easily satisfied standards) says:
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first of all, thinkprogress reported that actual response from ups, and if you read the article, you’d see that ups wasn’t making a commitment to pull any advertising. thinkprogress and keith olbermann both reported this as ups discontinuing their advertising on o’reily’s show; perhaps they both overreached a litte. but more importantly, both thinkprogress and olbermann reported ups’ actual statement, which seems intended by ups to be ambiguous, so readers/viewers could judge for themselves.
in short, i think you’re barking up the wrong tree.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:37 pmI find it great that the GOPs political dogma of less government intrusion into our private lives are finaly coming true. Now if government will stop trying to control women’s wombs then we can all be happy.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:40 pmWhite Heterosexuals are destroying the institution of marriage…and have been doing so for quite some time now. If “concerned” Women are so concerned about women and marriage perhaps they could leave their fantasy garden for a moment and actually concern themselves with destructive relationships where husbands are beating their wives…..as we speak/write this post a woman is being beaten and or raped, within the confines of a traditional marriage. I’m so sick of these self righteous bastards!
April 7th, 2009 at 6:41 pmThe fundies are so royally po’ed because their god doesn’t go in for the flashy flood, pillar of salt stuff anymore. And they aren’t bright enough to figure out why.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:46 pmDr. Moth Matt Says:
Reich-wingers, if two women get married, how does it effect your life and/or marriage?
It makes them envious?
April 7th, 2009 at 6:47 pmIf I thought a political system could be destroyed by gay marriage, I’d be having a look at that system.
April 7th, 2009 at 6:56 pmRaptureReady,
you are a moron.
this “argument” (to be generous) is so stupid. Not only is it insulting to equate same-sex marriage with a crime involving non-consent, but to pair it with polygamy (something you fundies have had at various times when in fashion) is totally ridiculous.
try again.
you are doing your religion such a disservice.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:10 pmand “socially confuse” the child? is that a technical phrase?
all studies have pointed to ZERO difference in children’s quality of upbringing based on gender.
Stupidity trying to have the sound of rationality is the worst. Get raptured already and spare us.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:14 pmFinally, a troll with some smarts. Oh wait, its just Daryl.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:15 pmRaptureReady Says:
…maybe we should legalize polygamy and molestation, right?
April 7th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Don’t get so excited, Daryll.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:15 pmbetween this and the frightening comments on newsweek’s cover story (the end of Christian America), i’m about ready to blow a gasket!
someone talk me down please….just tell me the fundamentalists numbers are shrinking…
April 7th, 2009 at 7:19 pmAnd isn’t polygamy mentioned much more favorably in the Buy Bull? Of course it was usually in reference to multiple wives for a single husband.
Been looking at the neighbor lady there, buddy?
April 7th, 2009 at 7:22 pmOMG!!
What kinds of horrors are heterosexual parents exposing their children to in order to turn them gay!!??
April 7th, 2009 at 7:22 pmBesides male domination, fighting, physical and emotional abuse generated by pyschosis religioso?
I can’t imagine.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:24 pmThose conservatives in Vermont better get out of there before their wives turn gay and divorce their sorry a$$es.
Run Away..Run Away..
April 7th, 2009 at 7:25 pmFear makes people stupid.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:27 pmOh jeebus…
April 7th, 2009 at 7:28 pmNot really OT, Dr. More just a symptom of the disease our friendly neighborhood domestic Taliban is spreading.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:30 pmsorry, Dr. Moth Matt.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:30 pmHey, Tony and Matthew,
April 7th, 2009 at 7:32 pmTell us the story of the Focus on the Family Bible narrator who was indicted on sexual solicitation of a child on the internet.
Then remind us of Ted Haggard and – oh, do I have to list them all?
After that, then tell me how same-sex marriage is a threat to heterosexual marriage.
Hey now, hold on their, missy! Them good Hetro-Christian’ality (I made that up…cool, huh?) people believe that homosexuality is, and I quote…”a temporary state of mental illness that happens to non-believers…and god would NEVER punish good christian parents with a homosexual child”…
Ain’t that a kick in the ass? I found this quote on a forum written by a mother of a 23 year old male who says she went in her son’s bed room and found pornographic magazines of nek-kit men! But, she says “my son has a girl friend and he loves god”.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:32 pmTeeheehee…oh well…
When a heterosexual person sees a homosexual, does he suddenly find that attractive? Of course not.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:36 pmWe are “wired” to be what we are and for the fear-mongering authoritarians who would like to control our every breath to deny equal rights to all citizens is the real threat to democracy. This is not different from the civil rights act of 40 years ago, or the elimination of miscegenation. The preachers who think they are the moral authority are bereft of fairness, integrity, honesty and truth – but full of false pride, sanctimony, and self-righteousness.
RaptureReady, hurry up and be raptured. I am ready for you phoney Christians to be gone. Why don’t you try following the teachings of Christ? What’s wrong, you can’t handle it!
April 7th, 2009 at 7:39 pm“Vermont legislators’ futile attempt to replace God….
…it’s kind of easy to replace something that does not exist.
And ooooohhhhh, my marriage is feeling soooo threatened by gay marriage…
….NOT!
April 7th, 2009 at 7:43 pmRupturedRectum – I guess this is the type of Family Values your type value over Gay Marriage.
Audio programs featuring a Focus on the Family radio producer, Juan Alberto Ovalle, — arrested Friday on charges he arranged to meet a teenage girl for sex in an Internet chat room — disappeared from the evangelical Christian media empire’s Web site Monday afternoon after news of the man’s arrest broke.
Some of those CONSERVATIVE family values.
April 7th, 2009 at 7:47 pmRaptureReady Says:
…maybe we should legalize polygamy and molestation, right?
April 7th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
I wonder..What is the difference between polygamy and hiring hookers in the relm of family values? I guess I’ll have to ask David Vitter.
April 7th, 2009 at 8:04 pmSure by all means let’s not redefine marriage. It is so wonderful on it’s own. More than half of the marriages end in divorce. It’s a great testimony to marriage as it is. And the stats for support of children in those unions is even worse.
People like Tony Perkins and the rest hope to keep marriage as it is for reasons having nothing to do with family. It has to do with a changing world. It has to do with their own interpretation of the bible. (small b) To drag out biblical reasons is a joke. Where in this world could you find a book as hate filled, as sexist, as violent and as narrow minded as the bible?
In that book of virtue, there are more than 200 passages about the hate of women. War, and cruelty abound. In the Catholic church alone, until the late 40’s, the budding clergy were taught that women were to be chastised. They even had the length and width of the rod to be used.
These men and women that worry about the state of marriage, are afraid of anything or anyone that does not represent their view. Fear of change. Fear of life and best of all fear of death. This is what keeps people reading that bible. Tony Perkins and his like are so afraid. They do not mind using the pulpit and the organizations they represent as a form of tyranny for everyone else who might have a SECULAR THOUGHT.
You don’t have to be gay to want equal rights extended to everyone. I’m not gay. I am one of those secular, hetro, uppity females. I am not willing to use or abuse anyone’s right to the same marriage and divorce as the rest of us.
To those religious nuts. Just stop wrapping yourselves in the cloak of religion and the flag for every non humanistic twist you come up with. And in case you haven’t read the stats, they show that religion is taking a dive all over the world. And it is the hate filled dogma that has brought it about.
If the rapture happens, heavens will not open up for the Dobsons, the Roberts, the Perkins, the Robertsons. They better start praying there is no God. Because if there is, what they have done in the name of religion will not bear the scrutiny of any God.
April 7th, 2009 at 8:09 pmcurious,
Very much agreed,
The past has been full of men that feared women and felt the need to put them in there place..hence their idea of Gods word. It traveled through time to where the fear was’nt of women per se but the temptation for said woman only to blame her for their own temptation..So the struggle began and followed through the 20th century with everything from sufferage to showing ankles..We need more uppity women and I just have one other thing to say..Kick A$$.
April 7th, 2009 at 8:22 pmOne big problem in fixing this mess is that marriage is both a civil and religious institution. I can understand that those who see homosexuality as immoral would want not want their church forced to recognize homosexual marriage.
But as it is also a civil insitution and bestows numerous civil rights, I don’t see how the government, as a civil legal body, can withhold it from some and not others.
And recognizing that, how can they scream “Tyrrany!” ? Homosexuals aren’t taking away any “straight” rights. You might as well say the civil rights marches of blacks in the 60’s were a terrorist group. (Oh wait, the head of the FBI did when he wasn’t dressing in women’s clothing).
April 7th, 2009 at 8:26 pmHow about the rich hetero activiists pushing for preventing homosexuals from having their civil rights? In California, the majority of the money for Prop 8 came from the Mormon Church (who want to marry a large number of underaged girls without their consent).
April 7th, 2009 at 8:43 pmPlease identify the rich gay guys who won the right to marriage for me and my partner. I need to send a thank you card.
April 7th, 2009 at 9:00 pmKeith Says:
In California, the majority of the money for Prop 8 came from the Mormon Church.
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And Pat Dobson’s Focus on the Family… Pat spent so much money trying to get Prop 8 passed, he had to lay off “approximately 20% of FotF’s work force, or 202 employees, due in no small part to the more than $500,000 spent on the Yes on 8 campaign.”
Hmmm… and I thought it was ILLEGAL for non-profits to openly advocate for one position or another in an election.
Some one, perhaps the Mormon Church, filed in court to block the release of their donor list for the Prop 8 campaign, BTW, but the CA court shot ‘em down.
April 7th, 2009 at 9:22 pmThe quote from the Concerned Women of America sited above didn’t make a lot of sense. To try to make sense of it, I ran it though a translation website through several languages and then back to English again (English -> Dutch -> French -> German -> English to be exact).
It now reads, “Ruling of the legislators Vermont is worthless for the God follows to replace, by determining the strange again, like this first man and the woman on the first temptation acted – and the root of all temptations frightens, – to act, as if they were the Gods. That decides from Adam and the previous evening, around to believe; it could that the God separated it from God, it destroys the peace, which they had examine, and to have been used, which what inadvertent consequences of the pain and the Destruction would call.”
And the sad thing is, it makes just as much sense in this form.
April 7th, 2009 at 9:52 pmHow is homosexuality a threat to traditional marriage? Simple it comes down to gender roles. In a relationship between two women, who is the husband, the father, the man? How can a proper dominate/submissive relationship occur without the right parts? If heterosexual marriages are exposes to such level of equality amongst partners, they too may demand a more equal partnership.
April 7th, 2009 at 10:04 pmMuch of reason why homosexuality is a “sin” is because of people stepping out of their gender roles. “Do not have sex with a man as you would with a woman.” Leviticus 18:22 It is the woman’s position to be submissive, to be under her husband. For a man to be in this position is a disruption of gender roles. There are many such proclamation against men and women transgressing their prescribed roles.
It might help to understand the relentless opposition to gay marriage if you read Professor Jonathan Haidt’s “What Makes People Vote Republican?”. It has to do with the differences between liberals and conservatives as to what constitute important “values”.
Conservatives view marriage as an “essential institution”, and do not wish to see it altered from the form they have come to be comfortable and familiar with. But more than that, it is important to understand that conservatives view these other areas of morality with equal weight to justice and fairness. They honestly believe that by altering something “essential”, we are destroying society. Fortunately, history has proven them wrong in the past when they tried to claim the same thing about other social advances. They do view marriage as an “essential institution”, but they have decided that it should only be between people of opposite genders. Why this should be so is beyond me. Any two people who love each other should be allowed to marry each other, and have all the same rights and privileges that any other married couple has.
It is an insult to the intelligence to somehow extract from this a support for polygamy, bestiality, or child molestation. Only a perverted mind would equate all those things.
April 7th, 2009 at 10:21 pmRe-Thuglic’s narrow and limited world view is redefining Stupidity.
They want us to return to the Dark Ages – the majority of Americans want to move forward to further enlightened times.
April 7th, 2009 at 11:10 pm*
Those people who are so adamant that gays be denied the right to marry are the same types of people who would have expressed outrage in the 1950s and 1960s when the validity of interracial marriage was being debated. Hatred toward gays is simply their “flavor of the month”.
April 7th, 2009 at 11:27 pm#57 – RaptureReady Says:
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“It socially confuse the prospective child that will be raised in that home.”
April 7th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
So, by your definition, heterosexual marriages only produce heterosexual children?
Patently, and demonstrably, false.
The Netherlands have allowed same-sex marriages for years, and there’s not been any attempt to extend that right to ploygamists.
Yet another of your talking-points refuses to stand up to scrutiny. Want to try for strike three?
April 7th, 2009 at 11:46 pmI was in VT today. All’s well and normal and I expect the sun will rise there in just a few hours and people will go about their business…
April 8th, 2009 at 12:09 amRuptured Retard Says:
It socially confuse the prospective child that will be raised in that home. Also, if homosexuals should have a right to marry, maybe we should legalize polygamy and molestation, right?
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You are incredibly stupid. I mean this has to rank up there with the absolutly stupidest thing ever written on a message board. First of all what the heck would a prospective child be? Your ignorant and orrensive idiocy comparing homsexual marraige to molestation just shows how depraved and ignorant you are. Those molested are VICTIMS YOU INSUFFERABLE MORON. There is no victim when two consenting adults enter into a binding relationship. You are far too stupid to be taken seriously and you are a sick bigoted piece of garbage.
April 8th, 2009 at 3:50 am.
The only threat I pose to a heterosexual marriage…
… Is because of the closeted husband.
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April 8th, 2009 at 4:35 ampretty funny how the MAN who runs concerned women seems to think how vermont is going to suffer “pain and destruction”. it’s been ten year since it’s neighbor to the south has allowed this and they have suffered being one of the most prosperous states in the union.
April 8th, 2009 at 5:59 amEXACTLY! I am sure that these wealthy gays and elite far-left loons only want to destroy democracy. It couldn’t possibly have anything to do with the right to visit a spouse in the hospital, or be on your spouses health insurance.
I hear it all the time, these equality issues are just a front for destroying America and democracy. Don’t you see it? If we let the gays get Married, BOOOM… nobody gets to vote and democracy is over…let me sketch this out!!
1. the gays get married
2. ??????
3. Democracy IS OVER and we all get our heads cut off by terrorists!!!
I don’t know how my marriage will survive if two men or two women can get married, and I for one and not going to sit by while the gays ruin my marriage!!
did I say, FEAR, FEAR, TERRORIST! AHHHHH!
/snark
April 8th, 2009 at 7:41 amGet it through your thick skull – God does not enter into the legal equation. Got stays in your church along with the sanctity of marriage and all your other religious beliefs. This is an equality issue regarding equal protection to enter into a legal status recognized by the state.
April 8th, 2009 at 7:51 am#87
April 8th, 2009 at 9:15 amThe result of your computerized serial transmorphication reads like Palin-speak! Hey, I wonder what her take on VT’s legislature’s action is? Prolly as intelligent (by design) as the results of your multiple mangling of the ruptured right wring’s soliloquy!
Must be that the Reich in it`s almighty wisdom knows that God is going to punish America with another Katrina,earthquake or more mass murder………why do they have to bring religion into a civil matter,as far as I know God didn`t invent marriage, he was all about concubines,polygamy and consorts.Who are these wealthy/rich same sex people who are pushing the same sex marriage because I would like to them.The hatred, bigotry and discrimination that is coming from the Reich and their holier than Christianity is repugnant and is not the feelings of about 70percent of America.They just can`t get over the fact that “all men/woman were created equal” when they want it to read every man not women were created white, REICH(right) and wealthy and women should obey their husband.Phuck your hatred and hypocrisy.
April 8th, 2009 at 9:43 amPeople like Tony Perkins and the rest hope to keep marriage as it is for reasons having nothing to do with family. It has to do with a changing world. It has to do with their own interpretation of the bible. (small b) To drag out biblical reasons is a joke. Where in this world could you find a book as hate filled, as sexist, as violent and as narrow minded as the bible?
THANK YOU!!!!THANK YOU!!!!THANK YOU!!!!
LOVE AND TOLLERANCE is all that is needed. You can bannish all religion and replace religion with these two word…
LOVE AND TOLLERANCE!!!
Now lets see how many people have faith????? becuase these two words represents all that is right.
The sad part is…. most won’t live there lives with those two words. That would mean they would have to loose the most important part of religion….HATE!!!Love and Tollerance …..That’s all the religion I need. Thank you.
April 8th, 2009 at 10:33 amOne thing about Conservatives is that they are ALWAYS on the wrong side of history. They fought Roosevelts attempts get us into WW II, they fought the draft during WW II, they fought civil rights, they are still fighting the right to choose and equality for a large percent of the population that have a different sexual orientation than they do (or most of them). They are the naysayers and footdraggers who are against change in a world that is nothing but change. I know no other group that has been so consistently wrong on everything.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:41 amMark701 Says: One thing about Conservatives is that they are ALWAYS on the wrong side of history.
I almost feel bad for them. While liberals rejoice in a world of increasing freedoms and diversity, conservatives can only mourn the continuous erosion of their closeted worldview.
Same-sex marriage threatens their carefully-constructed view of reality, a reality designed to reinforce their comforting notion of being at the center of the universe. Just like the planet being round, the earth going around the sun, and that annoying Darwin guy, same-sex marriage again pushes them from the center of their (marital) universe.
That’s how same-sex marriage “threatens” their own marriages.
April 8th, 2009 at 9:32 pmI think it is time that republicans start pulling themselves up wby their bootstraps over not having the majority in this country anymore.
It is not tyranny they think they are inflicted with.
It is spoiled brats that can’t adapt to a changing enviroment. Wait til they get a load of Global climate change that they ignored…………..
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