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	<title>Comments on: Breaking: Vermont legislature overrides veto, becomes first state to pass marriage equality through legislation.</title>
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		<title>By: Eugene atrax robustus Debs</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/07/vermont-gay-marriage/comment-page-4/#comment-5588889</link>
		<dc:creator>Eugene atrax robustus Debs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 09:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bitblt Says: 

Bit has posted his ignorance and bigotry many times. None of it is any truer now than the first time he posted such foolishness. Bit THINKS he gets to define for ALL Americans what marriage is and has all kinds of other delusions based on his ignorance and his bigotry. Eugene couldnt care less about bits fantasies nor his stupidity</description>
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<p>Bit has posted his ignorance and bigotry many times. None of it is any truer now than the first time he posted such foolishness. Bit THINKS he gets to define for ALL Americans what marriage is and has all kinds of other delusions based on his ignorance and his bigotry. Eugene couldnt care less about bits fantasies nor his stupidity<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5588889', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: MarkBoston</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/07/vermont-gay-marriage/comment-page-4/#comment-5588657</link>
		<dc:creator>MarkBoston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Apr 2009 03:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gotta love the weak attempts the far right uses when they state that the courts are RE DEFINING MARRIAGE when the fascist republicans ran to their various state capitols and enshrined the constitutions quickly DEFINING marriage as ONLY between one man and one woman, themselves. THEY &quot;re defined&quot; only 4 years ago. Equal marriage is not anything BUT an inclusion not a re definition. Hate is loosing ground as Americans stand up more and more against the antiquated history and bigotry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gotta love the weak attempts the far right uses when they state that the courts are RE DEFINING MARRIAGE when the fascist republicans ran to their various state capitols and enshrined the constitutions quickly DEFINING marriage as ONLY between one man and one woman, themselves. THEY &#8220;re defined&#8221; only 4 years ago. Equal marriage is not anything BUT an inclusion not a re definition. Hate is loosing ground as Americans stand up more and more against the antiquated history and bigotry.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5588657', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bitblt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bitblt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 20:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;
bitblt Says:

Zooey Lepidoptera Says:

Is it safe to assume “SSGG” is the acronym for the “same-same” foolishness…?

It’s SAME SEX MARRIAGE, dingleberry. You won’t catch teh gay if you write it or think it.

Grow up.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:02 pm

bit has posted numerous times that the essence of being married is having people recognize the relationship between a man and a woman as a marriage. This is recognition is the “one flesh” relationship about which Jesus commented, bit believes, and it came long before courts had anything to do with defining marriage.

You think there’s a court anywhere powerful enough to make someone recognize the relationship between two same-same gender people as a marriage?

You know that adage, “A man persuaded against his will is of the same mind still?”

In this state, and 28 others, two same-same gender people are not married.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm &lt;/em&gt;


http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000009769.cfm

&lt;blockquote&gt;Forty-three states have laws that protect marriage as the union of one man and one woman, including 30 with constitutional amendments.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
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bitblt Says:</p>
<p>Zooey Lepidoptera Says:</p>
<p>Is it safe to assume “SSGG” is the acronym for the “same-same” foolishness…?</p>
<p>It’s SAME SEX MARRIAGE, dingleberry. You won’t catch teh gay if you write it or think it.</p>
<p>Grow up.<br />
April 7th, 2009 at 5:02 pm</p>
<p>bit has posted numerous times that the essence of being married is having people recognize the relationship between a man and a woman as a marriage. This is recognition is the “one flesh” relationship about which Jesus commented, bit believes, and it came long before courts had anything to do with defining marriage.</p>
<p>You think there’s a court anywhere powerful enough to make someone recognize the relationship between two same-same gender people as a marriage?</p>
<p>You know that adage, “A man persuaded against his will is of the same mind still?”</p>
<p>In this state, and 28 others, two same-same gender people are not married.<br />
April 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm </em></p>
<p><a href="http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000009769.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.citizenlink.org/CLtopstories/A000009769.cfm</a></p>
<blockquote><p>Forty-three states have laws that protect marriage as the union of one man and one woman, including 30 with constitutional amendments.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Eugene atrax robustus Debs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene atrax robustus Debs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:34:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bumpfister Says: 


So then you are ignorant and you are sick. Seek help NOW.</description>
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<p>So then you are ignorant and you are sick. Seek help NOW.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586770', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Eugene atrax robustus Debs</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eugene atrax robustus Debs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 08:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bitblt Says: 

You have tried this idiocy before. Jesus was talking about divorce and never ONCE mentioned homosexuality. Face it you are ignorant and you are a bigot. It really is that simple</description>
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<p>You have tried this idiocy before. Jesus was talking about divorce and never ONCE mentioned homosexuality. Face it you are ignorant and you are a bigot. It really is that simple<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586769', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zooey Lepidoptera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zooey Lepidoptera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 04:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dem Soldier,

Because it makes bitbutt feel all icky and squirmy...?</description>
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<p>Because it makes bitbutt feel all icky and squirmy&#8230;?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586718', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Democrat Soldier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Democrat Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 03:41:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#187 - &quot;You really ought to quote the part of Matthew 19 to which bit usually refers:
Matthew 19:&quot;

Yes, I meant to write &quot;comdemn&quot;, not condone.  My mistake.

Interesting that you gloss over the millions of opposite-opposite and same-opposite gender divorces annually to rally against the paltry few thousand same-same gender marriages.  (To use Bitbits nomenclature.)

Kind of makes one wonder why you ignore the large number to complain about the smaller number?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#187 &#8211; &#8220;You really ought to quote the part of Matthew 19 to which bit usually refers:<br />
Matthew 19:&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, I meant to write &#8220;comdemn&#8221;, not condone.  My mistake.</p>
<p>Interesting that you gloss over the millions of opposite-opposite and same-opposite gender divorces annually to rally against the paltry few thousand same-same gender marriages.  (To use Bitbits nomenclature.)</p>
<p>Kind of makes one wonder why you ignore the large number to complain about the smaller number?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586683', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: KateWords</title>
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		<dc:creator>KateWords</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Apr 2009 00:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ralph the wonder locust Says: &lt;em&gt;&quot;In essence, bit insists that all of us should hold the same religious beliefs that bit does.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

To be fair though, he is staying true to his faith. His faith would value God&#039;s rules above secular law. Democracy for them has no value other than as a tool to be exploited to impose a theocracy of their own design. These people don&#039;t value secular democracy principles any farther than their utility in enforcing religious principles upon the rest of the population.

Which is why they scare the &amp;@*!! out of me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ralph the wonder locust Says: <em>&#8220;In essence, bit insists that all of us should hold the same religious beliefs that bit does.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>To be fair though, he is staying true to his faith. His faith would value God&#8217;s rules above secular law. Democracy for them has no value other than as a tool to be exploited to impose a theocracy of their own design. These people don&#8217;t value secular democracy principles any farther than their utility in enforcing religious principles upon the rest of the population.</p>
<p>Which is why they scare the &amp;@*!! out of me.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586563', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: PatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:58:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Any sexual expression that varies from the Creator’s intent will have negative, indeed deadly, consequences.&lt;/em&gt;

According to your belief system.
Then why do we need a secular law prohibited gay marriage?  If God is against it and will punish it, then why do we as mere mortals do anything?  Let those who hear his words, obey, and those who do not, suffer.  Before you bring up your other nonsense about murder, theft, etc let me preempt that argument by repeating that these are crimes against man.  Homosexuality, according to your belief system, is a crime against God.  For the first set of crimes, we need secular laws and controls.  For homosexuality, why can&#039;t we just leave it to God?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Any sexual expression that varies from the Creator’s intent will have negative, indeed deadly, consequences.</em></p>
<p>According to your belief system.<br />
Then why do we need a secular law prohibited gay marriage?  If God is against it and will punish it, then why do we as mere mortals do anything?  Let those who hear his words, obey, and those who do not, suffer.  Before you bring up your other nonsense about murder, theft, etc let me preempt that argument by repeating that these are crimes against man.  Homosexuality, according to your belief system, is a crime against God.  For the first set of crimes, we need secular laws and controls.  For homosexuality, why can&#8217;t we just leave it to God?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586238', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ralph the wonder locust</title>
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		<dc:creator>ralph the wonder locust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bit continues to grip his biblical teachings (selected ones, of course) and pretend that they should be the basis for secular law.

In essence, bit insists that all of us should hold the same religious beliefs that bit does. 

That, of course, in un-American, which may be why bit feels this nation is not worth preserving.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bit continues to grip his biblical teachings (selected ones, of course) and pretend that they should be the basis for secular law.</p>
<p>In essence, bit insists that all of us should hold the same religious beliefs that bit does. </p>
<p>That, of course, in un-American, which may be why bit feels this nation is not worth preserving.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586230', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bitblt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bitblt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Democrat Soldier Says:

Bitbit continues to ignore the words of Jesus:
“And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery,” (Matt. 19:9)

Still have yet to hear from Bitbit why Bitbit picks and chooses only certain words of Jesus to supportm, and not support all the words of Jesus.

Bitbit seems to be letting Bitbit’s prejudice guide Bitbit’s “pick and choose” attitude towards the Bible and the words of Jesus that Bitbit supports.

Until Bitbit &lt;strong&gt;condones&lt;/strong&gt; the millions of opposite-opposite gender &amp; same-opposite gender divorces annually at the same time Bitbit condones the paltry few thousand same-same gender marriages annually, one can only conclude that prejudice is Bitbit’s driving factor.

Let us all pray for Bitbit. Bitbit apparantly needs the help.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:34 pm &lt;/em&gt;

Do you mean condone or condemn? If you meant condemn, then bit vehemently condemns divorce. bit has even heard the answer to philosophical question about why divorce is wrong - from a Biblical viewpoint?

So, why is divorce wrong? Because you&#039;re telling God that what He gave you isn&#039;t good enough.
This is not something bit wants to tell the Creator.

You really ought to quote the part of Matthew 19 to which bit usually refers: 
Matthew 19:

&lt;blockquote&gt;[3]And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, &quot;Is it lawful to divorce one&#039;s wife for any cause?&quot;
[4] He answered, &quot;Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,
[5] and said, `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh&#039;?
[6] So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.&quot; &lt;/blockquote&gt;

bit understands that the Lord&#039;s audience didn&#039;t need to be told this is right, this is wrong, and this is wrong,..
Christ could teach them what the Creator&#039;s intent was, and His audience would understand that the Creator had no other intent.  Any sexual expression that varies from the Creator&#039;s intent will have negative, indeed deadly, consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Democrat Soldier Says:</p>
<p>Bitbit continues to ignore the words of Jesus:<br />
“And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery,” (Matt. 19:9)</p>
<p>Still have yet to hear from Bitbit why Bitbit picks and chooses only certain words of Jesus to supportm, and not support all the words of Jesus.</p>
<p>Bitbit seems to be letting Bitbit’s prejudice guide Bitbit’s “pick and choose” attitude towards the Bible and the words of Jesus that Bitbit supports.</p>
<p>Until Bitbit <strong>condones</strong> the millions of opposite-opposite gender &amp; same-opposite gender divorces annually at the same time Bitbit condones the paltry few thousand same-same gender marriages annually, one can only conclude that prejudice is Bitbit’s driving factor.</p>
<p>Let us all pray for Bitbit. Bitbit apparantly needs the help.<br />
April 7th, 2009 at 5:34 pm </em></p>
<p>Do you mean condone or condemn? If you meant condemn, then bit vehemently condemns divorce. bit has even heard the answer to philosophical question about why divorce is wrong &#8211; from a Biblical viewpoint?</p>
<p>So, why is divorce wrong? Because you&#8217;re telling God that what He gave you isn&#8217;t good enough.<br />
This is not something bit wants to tell the Creator.</p>
<p>You really ought to quote the part of Matthew 19 to which bit usually refers:<br />
Matthew 19:</p>
<blockquote><p>[3]And Pharisees came up to him and tested him by asking, &#8220;Is it lawful to divorce one&#8217;s wife for any cause?&#8221;<br />
[4] He answered, &#8220;Have you not read that he who made them from the beginning made them male and female,<br />
[5] and said, `For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh&#8217;?<br />
[6] So they are no longer two but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder.&#8221; </p></blockquote>
<p>bit understands that the Lord&#8217;s audience didn&#8217;t need to be told this is right, this is wrong, and this is wrong,..<br />
Christ could teach them what the Creator&#8217;s intent was, and His audience would understand that the Creator had no other intent.  Any sexual expression that varies from the Creator&#8217;s intent will have negative, indeed deadly, consequences.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586204', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: PatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa</title>
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		<dc:creator>PatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bit, you keep coming back to the Bible as your only source and therein lies the problem.  The Bible is for believers and if you or anyone else wants to use the Bible as your source of decision making, that is perfectly fine.  Doing so will not put you in conflict with secular law because there is much overlap.  However, if you expect the Bible to be the basis for all secular law, then it will then be the basis for decision making by both believers and non-believers.  That is neither Biblical nor Constitutional.  

The Bible also clearly states that Jews should not yoke themselves to non-believers, through marriage or business relationships.  Should this be put into secular law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bit, you keep coming back to the Bible as your only source and therein lies the problem.  The Bible is for believers and if you or anyone else wants to use the Bible as your source of decision making, that is perfectly fine.  Doing so will not put you in conflict with secular law because there is much overlap.  However, if you expect the Bible to be the basis for all secular law, then it will then be the basis for decision making by both believers and non-believers.  That is neither Biblical nor Constitutional.  </p>
<p>The Bible also clearly states that Jews should not yoke themselves to non-believers, through marriage or business relationships.  Should this be put into secular law?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586194', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ralph the wonder locust</title>
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		<dc:creator>ralph the wonder locust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:46:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ralph notes that bit chooses a single, concluding line of ralph&#039;s post and ignores the rest -- in fact, bit reprises the fallacious arguments that ralph refutes in the post to which bit refers.

Earlier bit alluded to the inability to truly change one&#039;s mind through argument if that mind is dead-set on maintaining its belief.

bit provides ample evidence of this phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ralph notes that bit chooses a single, concluding line of ralph&#8217;s post and ignores the rest &#8212; in fact, bit reprises the fallacious arguments that ralph refutes in the post to which bit refers.</p>
<p>Earlier bit alluded to the inability to truly change one&#8217;s mind through argument if that mind is dead-set on maintaining its belief.</p>
<p>bit provides ample evidence of this phenomenon.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586191', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: wags camponotus saundersi</title>
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		<dc:creator>wags camponotus saundersi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;How many non-Christians, including atheists,
give respect to and participate in marriage, understand the value of marriage, and just plain enjoy their marriage?&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Want to ask any more leading and unaswerable questions?
&lt;blockquote&gt;As you may have noted bit has often said that, according to the Bible, marriage was instituted by God and is older than either religion or government. &lt;/blockquote&gt;
Simply saying so does not make it true.  Marriage predates written history, so we have no &lt;em&gt;real&lt;/em&gt; record of when it began.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>How many non-Christians, including atheists,<br />
give respect to and participate in marriage, understand the value of marriage, and just plain enjoy their marriage?</p></blockquote>
<p>Want to ask any more leading and unaswerable questions?</p>
<blockquote><p>As you may have noted bit has often said that, according to the Bible, marriage was instituted by God and is older than either religion or government. </p></blockquote>
<p>Simply saying so does not make it true.  Marriage predates written history, so we have no <em>real</em> record of when it began.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586186', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ralph the wonder locust</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/07/vermont-gay-marriage/comment-page-4/#comment-5586184</link>
		<dc:creator>ralph the wonder locust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:44:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bit tries but fails to make a coherent argument yet again.

bit confuses &quot;belief&quot; with &#039;facts&quot; yet again.

bit seems to suggest that inclusion in the Bible makes a claim &quot;factual&quot;, rather than a matter of faith. For instance, bit claims that &quot;marriage was instituted by God and is older than religion or government&quot; as if it were a fact in the conventional sense -- i. e., provable by objective means. In truth, the existence of God, let alone the form that God takes, is not a matter of factual inquiry but one of faith.

The fact that bit believes in his own form of God so fervently may make it seem to bit that this God is real and the only God, but it is still just a belief, not an objective fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bit tries but fails to make a coherent argument yet again.</p>
<p>bit confuses &#8220;belief&#8221; with &#8216;facts&#8221; yet again.</p>
<p>bit seems to suggest that inclusion in the Bible makes a claim &#8220;factual&#8221;, rather than a matter of faith. For instance, bit claims that &#8220;marriage was instituted by God and is older than religion or government&#8221; as if it were a fact in the conventional sense &#8212; i. e., provable by objective means. In truth, the existence of God, let alone the form that God takes, is not a matter of factual inquiry but one of faith.</p>
<p>The fact that bit believes in his own form of God so fervently may make it seem to bit that this God is real and the only God, but it is still just a belief, not an objective fact.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586184', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bitblt</title>
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		<dc:creator>bitblt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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ralph the wonder locust Says:

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This is the threat that bit fears most.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:24 pm &lt;/em&gt;

That&#039;s not what bit fears the most.

As to the rest of your post try this question: How many non-Christians, including atheists,  
give respect to and participate in marriage, understand the value of marriage, and just plain enjoy their marriage?

As you may have noted bit has often said that, according to the Bible, marriage was instituted by God and is older than either religion or government. 

BTW, just so we&#039;re both clear, one doesn&#039;t believe in facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#<em><br />
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ralph the wonder locust Says:</p>
<p>.<br />
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This is the threat that bit fears most.<br />
April 7th, 2009 at 5:24 pm </em></p>
<p>That&#8217;s not what bit fears the most.</p>
<p>As to the rest of your post try this question: How many non-Christians, including atheists,<br />
give respect to and participate in marriage, understand the value of marriage, and just plain enjoy their marriage?</p>
<p>As you may have noted bit has often said that, according to the Bible, marriage was instituted by God and is older than either religion or government. </p>
<p>BTW, just so we&#8217;re both clear, one doesn&#8217;t believe in facts.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586168', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Democrat Soldier</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/07/vermont-gay-marriage/comment-page-4/#comment-5586161</link>
		<dc:creator>Democrat Soldier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Bitbit continues to ignore the words of Jesus:
&quot;And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery,&quot; (Matt. 19:9)

Still have yet to hear from Bitbit why Bitbit picks and chooses only certain words of Jesus to supportm, and not support all the words of Jesus.

Bitbit seems to be letting Bitbit&#039;s prejudice guide Bitbit&#039;s  &quot;pick and choose&quot; attitude towards the Bible and the words of Jesus that Bitbit supports.

Until Bitbit condones the millions of opposite-opposite gender &amp; same-opposite gender divorces annually at the same time Bitbit condones the paltry few thousand same-same gender marriages annually, one can only conclude that prejudice is Bitbit&#039;s driving factor.

Let us all pray for Bitbit. Bitbit apparantly needs the help.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Bitbit continues to ignore the words of Jesus:<br />
&#8220;And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery,&#8221; (Matt. 19:9)</p>
<p>Still have yet to hear from Bitbit why Bitbit picks and chooses only certain words of Jesus to supportm, and not support all the words of Jesus.</p>
<p>Bitbit seems to be letting Bitbit&#8217;s prejudice guide Bitbit&#8217;s  &#8220;pick and choose&#8221; attitude towards the Bible and the words of Jesus that Bitbit supports.</p>
<p>Until Bitbit condones the millions of opposite-opposite gender &amp; same-opposite gender divorces annually at the same time Bitbit condones the paltry few thousand same-same gender marriages annually, one can only conclude that prejudice is Bitbit&#8217;s driving factor.</p>
<p>Let us all pray for Bitbit. Bitbit apparantly needs the help.</strong><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586161', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Zooey Lepidoptera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zooey Lepidoptera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;bitblt Says:

In this state, and 28 others, two same-same gender people are not married.
April 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm&lt;/em&gt;

That is not the point, idiot.  My comment was not about whether or not YOU or the state recognize anything.  The point is your childish language.  

Grow up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>bitblt Says:</p>
<p>In this state, and 28 others, two same-same gender people are not married.<br />
April 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm</em></p>
<p>That is not the point, idiot.  My comment was not about whether or not YOU or the state recognize anything.  The point is your childish language.  </p>
<p>Grow up.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586140', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: chiroptera toasterhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>chiroptera toasterhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;bitblt Says: 

You know that adage, “A man persuaded against his will is of the same mind still?”

April 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm&lt;/em&gt;
_____________

No, but it indeed describes the conservative mindset perfectly.  It means that no amount of factual evidence nor reasoned logic will enlighten someone who is determined to be wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>bitblt Says: </p>
<p>You know that adage, “A man persuaded against his will is of the same mind still?”</p>
<p>April 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm</em><br />
_____________</p>
<p>No, but it indeed describes the conservative mindset perfectly.  It means that no amount of factual evidence nor reasoned logic will enlighten someone who is determined to be wrong.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586141', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ralph the wonder locust</title>
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		<dc:creator>ralph the wonder locust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Apr 2009 21:27:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;bumpfister Says:
WHO CARES,WHO MARRY’S WHO.THAT’S THE LEAST OF THIS COUNTRY’S PROBLEMS.HELL IM’ GOING FOR MARRAGE WITH MY PET,WHAT NEXT….&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If you expect to be able to communicate with your fellow citizens via the written word, perhaps your first order of business ought to be a crash course in English composition.

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>bumpfister Says:<br />
WHO CARES,WHO MARRY’S WHO.THAT’S THE LEAST OF THIS COUNTRY’S PROBLEMS.HELL IM’ GOING FOR MARRAGE WITH MY PET,WHAT NEXT….</p></blockquote>
<p>If you expect to be able to communicate with your fellow citizens via the written word, perhaps your first order of business ought to be a crash course in English composition.</p>
<p>Just a thought.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5586139', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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