Sanford Calls His Right-Wing Plan To Fire Teachers ‘Reform’
Sanford Calls His Right-Wing Plan To Fire Teachers ‘Reform’
ThinkProgress has been tracking Gov. Mark Sanford’s (R-SC) partisan, politically-motivated war against President Obama’s recovery plan, refusing to spend $700 million of stimulus money on education and public safety, as required by law. Instead, he is insisting that the state legislature direct the funds toward paying off the state debt — largely created by the disastrous tax cuts Sanford championed.
On Morning Joe today, CNBC’s Donny Deutsch pointedly questioned Sanford, arguing that his ideological decision could increase class sizes because teachers will be fired. Sanford admitted that education was important but in effect said he wasn’t willing to allocate new funds for it. He said the legislature should find school funding elsewhere in the budget:
DEUTSCH: Ideology is all great, but let’s pretend I’m a dad and I’m living in South Carolina. A lot of that money is earmarked for education. If you don’t take that money because of your point of view and my kid — there are less teachers, the tuition for the state schools go up, and education is really affected — this is not just in theory, this is reality. What do you say to me as a dad that I’m worried about my kid in a state that has very poor education records?
SANFORD: Yeah, but here’s the bottom line. What this tug of war is really about is reform within South Carolina. … It’s only in these kind of economic times that you can make the changes that are essential, frankly, to South Carolina being more competitive. So our view is, no, we could make some changes that created the dollars that could then be allocated to education and other things.
Host Joe Scarborough cheered Sanford throughout the interview, cutting off Deutsch’s tough questionning and ending the segment by declaring that he wanted Sanford to run for president. Watch it:
Sanford claims he’s simply putting “some pressure within the boiling pot” to force “reforms” to the budget to pay for schools. However, the “Major Expenditure Categories” in South Carolina’s budget are K-12 education, Medicaid, social services and corrections, higher education scholarships, and state employee health plans. It’s fair to assume, therefore, that Sanford’s ideological battle will force the legislature to choose between cutting social services and health care, or funding the state’s schools.
After the interview, Scarborough went further in his defense of Sanford, saying it doesn’t matter if Sanford denies needed funding for schools because a student in South Carolina “gets more money than students across the planet, because [he] lives in America.” The more relevant fact, however, is that a student in South Carolina is at a serious disadvantage compared to other American children. According to census data from 2006, South Carolina ranks 34th in state spending per pupil, and 32nd in spending overall (including federal funds).
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So Sanford is comfortable with the fact that the next generation of So. Carolinians will be illiterate fools, with no chance at a prosperous future. This is the GOP ideology. If you keep the citizenry stoopid, you can get away with murder. Barefoot and pregnant – same thing.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:20 am…’a student in South Carolina is at a serious disadvantage compared to other American children.’
So is Smok’n Joe. He doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground, but continues to think his opinion matters.
Joe, when was the last time you learned anything? Grade school or Jr. High?
April 8th, 2009 at 11:21 amJust WHAT in the HELL is it with these Rethuglic party members who want to drag us back into Medieval times?
April 8th, 2009 at 11:22 am3. Ur-Fascism relies on Distrust of the intellectual world
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVVa1IvHdKc
Distrust of the intellectual world has always been a symptom of Ur-Fascism, from Hermann Goering’s fondness for frequent use of such expressions as “degenerate intellectuals,” “eggheads,” “effete snobs,” and “universities are nests of reds.”
The official Fascist intellectuals were mainly engaged in attacking modern culture and the liberal intelligentsia for having betrayed traditional values. Action is taken without reflection or critical attitudes. Thinking is a form of emasculation.
Fourteen Warning Signs of a Fascist State
April 8th, 2009 at 11:23 am-by Umberto Eco
SANFORD: Yeah, but here’s the bottom line. What this tug of war is really about is reform within South Carolina. … It’s only in these kind of economic times that you can make the changes that are essential, frankly, to South Carolina being more competitive. So our view is, no, we could make some changes that created the dollars that could then be allocated to education and other things.
The individual words are in English. The sentences are in Trollish. Can anyone translate?
April 8th, 2009 at 11:25 amAccording to census data from 2006, South Carolina ranks 34th in state spending per pupil, and 32nd in spending overall (including federal funds).
– - And any South Carolina elementary school student will tell you 34 and 32 out of all 41 states is pretty bad.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:25 am“hi everyone, i’m mark sanford, i’m a republican governor from south carolina and i hate poor people.”
April 8th, 2009 at 11:25 amStratRat Says:
“So Sanford is comfortable with the fact that the next generation of So. Carolinians will be illiterate fools, with no chance at a prosperous future.”
Sanford is just trying to expand the GOP base in South Carolina.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:25 amEver been behind a vehicle on the road with Carolina plates? If they went any slower they’d be going backwards.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:29 amhe must be one of those who believe in a “privatize and voucher” system.
outdated, W-style ideas.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:29 amConservatives see a school and think, no one should be smarter than me
Liberals see a school and think, everyone should be as smart as they can be.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:31 amAnyone know what the dropout rate is in South Carolina? I have a sneaky feeling its high.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:34 amI heard other rich Republicans say health care for children is important, but I don’t want to pay for it.
As for Gov. Sanford, South Carolina was delighted to give over $50 million to an affiliate of the Carlyle Group, Vought Aircraft Industries. Those “uneducated South Carolinians” held up production of the Boeing Dreamliner 787.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:36 amScarborough is turning into MSNBC’s Hannity and MSNBC would be well served to replace him. When you have a show that makes Pat Buchanan look like the moderate on the panel, and Mika comes off as the smart one, there is an underlying problem.
PEACE
April 8th, 2009 at 11:36 amAfter the interview, Scarborough went further in his defense of Sanford, saying it doesn’t matter if Sanford denies needed funding for schools because a student in South Carolina “gets more money than students across the planet, because [he] lives in America.”
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Yes, Joe — you successfully pointed out that a student in South Carolina gets more money than a student in — oh, say — Malawi.
But are you willing to make the claim that a student in South Carolina gets more money than a student in Japan? France? Sweden? or any other industrialized country? I find it hard to believe that South Carolina students (or ANY American students, for that matter) are better funded than students in all other industrialized nations “across the planet”.
But Joe probably finds it inconvenient to get bogged down with facts.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:38 amI would love to see MSNBC replace Morning Joe and his whole crew with the Young Turks.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:38 amThe truth of the matter is Sanford wants to use FEDERAL money to pay off STATE debt. That is illegal and he is trying to cover his ass with all the debt he is leaving SC with.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:39 amSanford, keep up the good work, and keep your constituency happy. This will only inflame the rest of us and hopefully, all the South Carolinians you’ve been screwing will wake up and complete the screwing we already gave to George Bush, Dick Cheney, McCain and others. I can’t wait to see your party shrink to total irrelevance, and you are outedc as the Rovian opportunist that you are.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:40 amangels81 Says:
April 8th, 2009 at 11:40 amAnyone know what the dropout rate is in South Carolina? I have a sneaky feeling its high.
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THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: October 28, 2008
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) – U.S. Education Secretary Margaret Spellings wants to put pressure on high schools to improve their dropout rates, where one in four students quit.
I applaud Mark for standing up to the Socialist BO. He refuses to knuckle under to BO’s power grab. With all the added stipulations on taking the so called stimulus funds that are no more than a tool for letting the Federal Government set their own rules, a state could find itself completely bankrupt within 4 years. If you want to see what most of the Country will look like financially by the time BO leaves office, just look at California now? The Liberals have been running that state for many years now and it is completely bankrupt! Good for you Mark, keep at em!
April 8th, 2009 at 11:42 amScarborough is a jerk. Just because the US spends more per student doesn’t mean they are better educated. All he has to do is look in a mirror to prove that.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:42 am#5, PLCMR writes: The individual words are in English. The sentences are in Trollish. Can anyone translate?
I’ll take a stab…
It’s only in these kind of economic times that you can make the changes that are essential, frankly, to South Carolina being more competitive.Even though I didn’t want to, I accepted the stimulus money, but will control how it’s going to be dispensed by the SC legislature over the next two years.
So our view is, no, we could make some changes that created the dollars that could then be allocated to education and other things.I wanted to pay down the state debt created by my policies. I will now fire approx 7,500 teachers to pay down the state debt to make our students more competitive.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:42 amSANFORD: Yeah, but here’s the bottom line. What this tug of war is really about is reform within South Carolina.
Well, no, you’re wrong — its about the Federal response to the economic crisis that the country is in. Whether you agree with the plan or not, the best chance it has for success is to follow the plan given. But, as a republican, you would clearly prefer to see your state, and the country, suffer and “fail” on the basis that it was not a “republican” policy.
… It’s only in these kind of economic times that you can make the changes that are essential, frankly, to South Carolina being more competitive.
No. You can make changes at any time, and if they are good changes, they have a good chance of succeeding (discounting a partizan party whose sole purpose for existing is to obstruct everything and anything that you do).
However, if the changes that you want to make are controversial, unpopular, and even harmful to some of the population, THEN you NEED a crisis situation in which to be able to argue that “it may not be preferable, but it is necessary… trust me…..”.
So our view is, no, we could make some changes that created the dollars that could then be allocated to education and other things.
Vague, and even unnecessary. If you are being offered external money to cover those expendetures, why would you need to “make some changes to create the dollars”? The dollars are being offered up: and (not that it would matter much) you aren’t trying to refuse those dollars — you DO want them, to cover the failures of YOUR policies and actions that have cost the state money.
This is completely dishonest.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:44 amRealityCheck Says:
I applaud Mark for standing up to the Socialist BO. He refuses to knuckle under to BO’s power grab. With all the added stipulations on taking the so called stimulus funds that are no more than a tool for letting the Federal Government set their own rules, a state could find itself completely bankrupt within 4 years. If you want to see what most of the Country will look like financially by the time BO leaves office, just look at California now? The Liberals have been running that state for many years now and it is completely bankrupt! Good for you Mark, keep at em!
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rc,
on the plus side mark’s state
is a leading consumer of online porno.
good for you mark, keep jerkin’ off!
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April 8th, 2009 at 11:46 amPublic high schools in South Carolina graduate only 55.6 percent of their students
South Carolina is 15 percent behind the national graduation average
South Carolina is 32.7 percent behind its Federally defined graduation performance goal
South Carolina misreported its graduation rate by 21.5 percent (falsely claiming it was 77.1%)
http://thevoiceforschoolchoice.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/sc-public-high-schools-158-dropouts-each-day/
April 8th, 2009 at 11:47 amJoe wouldn’t be cheering for Sanford if his kids had to attend a delapidated school with overcrowded classrooms. These MFs really make my blood boil! I pray that the people in SC keep the pressure on this grandstanding fool!
April 8th, 2009 at 11:47 amRepublicans fear education because education destroys their ideology.
Their ideology depends on ignorance to survive.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:48 amYou know what kills me the most about these right wing southern republicans, and the southern mentality in general (and I was born in NC and live in KY, so I do have a solid frame of reference here)?
It is their ancestors, the southern states and later the confederacy, who insisted that they build their agrarian empire on slave labor. We had to fight a civil war to stop this practice (among other things of course), the last western nation to do so. So as far as I’m concerned, they are the ones who brought the slaves here, so they have to deal with the repercussions. America as w whole has, but not the southern states.
They are content with allowing the black populations of the south to be continually mired in cyclical squalor. Sanford is a classic example; do you honestly think he gives a crap about the poor blacks in his state? Does the whole southern aristocracy really give a crap?
April 8th, 2009 at 11:49 amSlightly OT but not really. I was sorta worried that the Jon Stewarts and Steven Colberts of the world would have far less material to work with after President Obama’s election.
Turns out, not so! The wingnuttery is giving them far more material on a daily basis than they know what to do with.
If they keep this pace, Keith may have to expand “Worst Persons” to a daily dirty dozen.
PEACE
April 8th, 2009 at 11:49 amRealityImpaired
Re the federal government dictating how states spend federal funds: That war was fought. Your side lost.
Re the rest of the country looking like California when Obama leaves office: Sure hope so. Name any significant metric (education, per capita income, health care) on which South Carolina outshines California.
Pity the American Taliban insists on trying to remake this country into a fundie third world society.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:51 amCarry on Republican water carriers. More money for the wealthy by any means necessary and screw everyone else, including children!
April 8th, 2009 at 11:52 amThe truth of the matter is that BO and Pee-lice-ie rammed through a so called stimulus package that is no more than a power grab and wish list of the last 25 years of the Liberal agenda.
Every state has to pay for it, wither they take the money or not. BO set conditions on taking the money, that will make the states carry the Federal Governments liberal policies. This is nothing more than a Power Grab period.
If BO and Pee-lice-ie had wanted to be fair, they would have let states who didn’t take the money, opt out of paying for the BS stimulus package to begin with! But they really only wanted the conservative states pay for the liberal states piggish appetite to begin with anyways.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:52 amBut they really only wanted the conservative states pay for the liberal states piggish appetite to begin with anyways.
Red states are recipient states, and Blue are donor states.
Anyone who doesn’t know this is working with a serious intellectual handicap. Sound familiar, Reality?
April 8th, 2009 at 11:54 amInvolvement in a system simply for the sole reason to disrupt the system is a criminal act.
At least it SHOULD be.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:57 amI think you may have forgotten to say “power grab” in the third paragraph…
April 8th, 2009 at 11:58 amRealityCheck Says:
The truth of the matter is that BO and Pee-lice-ie rammed through a so called stimulus package that is no more than a power grab and wish list of the last 25 years of the Liberal agenda.
Every state has to pay for it, wither they take the money or not. BO set conditions on taking the money, that will make the states carry the Federal Governments liberal policies. This is nothing more than a Power Grab period.
If BO and Pee-lice-ie had wanted to be fair, they would have let states who didn’t take the money, opt out of paying for the BS stimulus package to begin with! But they really only wanted the conservative states pay for the liberal states piggish appetite to begin with anyways.
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rc,
when you’re not trolling here
you work for “focus on the family”
right?
:|
don’t worry folks,
we’ll get this nailed down.
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April 8th, 2009 at 12:00 pmpaleolib Says: Re the rest of the country looking like California when Obama leaves office: Sure hope so.
That state doesn’t have a pot to piss in. It is bankrupt because it’s liberal policies and open door policies to illegal’s has overspent year after year. Now the liberals want the rest of the nation’s (Republican states) money to help them continue their failed policies.
That sound that is building in the background is called backlash…and you’re over reaching Democratic politicians are causing it.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:00 pmThe Liberals have been running that state for many years now and it is completely bankrupt!
And Arnold has a rainbow sticker on his Prius, yea, right.
Does mouth-breathing impair cognitive function this badly?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:01 pmSandford’s ‘reform’ is just another word for status quo.
He should lead, follow or get out of the way of progress. Preferably the latter.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:01 pmPatrioticLiberalChristianMantisReligiosa Says:
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SANFORD: Yeah, but here’s the bottom line. What this tug of war is really about is reform within South Carolina. … It’s only in these kind of economic times that you can make the changes that are essential, frankly, to South Carolina being more competitive. So our view is, no, we could make some changes that created the dollars that could then be allocated to education and other things.
The individual words are in English. The sentences are in Trollish. Can anyone translate?
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April 8th, 2009 at 12:02 pmIt`s re-puke for PHUCK the poor whether your black, white or hispanic, because if your not white, Reich(right) or wealthy your not one of us.I sure hope these people start a recall on this DICK.Smokin Joe is a hack journalist who shills for the REICH Wing American Taliban.
(Fred) Sanford says:
“Big dummy”
April 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pmYou are correct, RealityCheck. It is a power grab, brought to you courtesy of the American voters. We will be pursuing the Liberal agenda and wish list, the promised change from the disasterous Neocon agenda over those same 25 years.
Oink, oink!
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dbadass Says:
I think you may have forgotten to say “power grab” in the third paragraph…
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“power grab” is rc’s way of
saying self abuse.
he’d rather be cruising the porn sites.
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April 8th, 2009 at 12:03 pmbarfly Says:
Red states are recipient states, and Blue are donor states.
All states are paying for this and you’re liberal states are getting most of the pie!
If you are going to lie, at least do it with a straight face.
…and for dbadass…here is another POWER GRAB!
April 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pmRed states recieve more tax money than they pay. We subsidise you.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:04 pmRealityCheck Says: Now the liberals want the rest of the nation’s (Republican states) money to help them continue their failed policies.
But I thought Sanford wanted to use the money to bail out his broke azz state?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:05 pmmisscoleopteramolly Says:
Yes, Joe — you successfully pointed out that a student in South Carolina gets more money than a student in — oh, say — Malawi.
April 8th, 2009 at 11:38 am
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And not by very much.
A student in South Carolina gets only a bit more than a student in Malawi, when you look at government expenditure on education as a percentage of GDP per capita. According to the most recent statistics from UNESCO, Malawi’s public expenditure per pupil as a percentage of per capita GDP is 10% for primary school students and 21% for secondary students.
South Carolina’s expenditure of $8,091 per student represents 27% of the state’s $29,642 per-capita GDP, putting the state in line with developing nations such as Niger, Burkina Faso, Kenya, and Lesotho.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:05 pmThis just shows you how much tax cuts of any kind DO NOT F ing
April 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pmwork!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Because this how S.Carolina got here!!!!
The PEOPLE are “grabbing” the “power” back from the fascists
That upsets the Rushpublicans so much
April 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pmRealityCheck Says:
paleolib Says: Re the rest of the country looking like California when Obama leaves office: Sure hope so.
That state doesn’t have a pot to piss in. It is bankrupt because it’s liberal policies and open door policies to illegal’s has overspent year after year. Now the liberals want the rest of the nation’s (Republican states) money to help them continue their failed policies.
That sound that is building in the background is called backlash…and you’re over reaching Democratic politicians are causing it.
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“…and you’re over reaching Democratic politicians are causing it.”
???
that doesn’t make sense.
what sound?
…
April 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pmMSNBC needs to let Joe go…he is needed over on Fixed News.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pmDon’t pull your punch.
By spending levels that are 34th in the nation per pupil, SC achieves outcomes that are 48th and 49th in the nation.
Thank God for Mississippi!
April 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pmEnjoy you’re power while you have it…Mid-Term elections are only 19 months away.
Then I can watch all of you cry again like the little snot nosed libs you really are!
April 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pmLest we forget, here’s a painful example of the state of education in South Carolina. This sad state of affairs is apparently just plain hunky dory with Sandford, Scarborough and the rest of the Republican leadership.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj3iNxZ8Dww
April 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pmOooh, Oooh, let me try his logic:
SC students get high rates of spending per pupil when seen on a worldwide scale.
Nutritionally, SC children get better nutrition than children in Biafra.
SC students show greater academic success than children in Somalia.
I’ll really have to think better of SC from now on.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pmRealityCheck Says:
barfly Says:
Red states are recipient states, and Blue are donor states.
All states are paying for this and you’re liberal states are getting most of the pie!
If you are going to lie, at least do it with a straight face.
…and for dbadass…here is another POWER GRAB!
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more “power grab”, rc?
if you keep doing it you’ll go blind.
:0
April 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pmThis RealityCheck coward is a perfect representation of the willful ignorance of frightened little right wing pansies.
Poor little guy.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:09 pmRealityCheck Says:
Enjoy you’re power while you have it…Mid-Term elections are only 19 months away.
Then I can watch all of you cry again like the little snot nosed libs you really are!
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20 months.
uh oh… name calling.
:(
April 8th, 2009 at 12:10 pmIn them “good ol’ days” of war, we’d just crank up the mighty U.S. industrial engine and put Americans back to work.
Too bad we shipped-off our manufacturing base to overseas competitors.
All for a positive blip on the bottom line.
Bye-bye American pie…
April 8th, 2009 at 12:12 pmRealityCheck Says:
Enjoy you’re power while you have it…Mid-Term elections are only 19 months away.
Then I can watch all of you cry again like the little snot nosed libs you really are!
Yup, tears of joy when more Republicans slip into oblivion.
You really are a simple little troll, aren’t you?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:12 pmThen I can watch all of you cry again like the little snot nosed libs you really are!
Which middle school took a late spring break this year?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:12 pmRed states receive more money than they pay into taxes while Blue states pay more in that they receive.
Red States then turn around and spend that money on porn.
I want my money back.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:13 pmDemocraps still need to move to Canada. They already have social health care and higher taxes. Plus, when global warming fries the United States, it’ll make Canada nice and comfortable. When will democraps figure out you can’t make money without consequences?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:15 pmRealityCheck:
SC Budget Deficit Equal To Tax Cuts
South Carolina is projecting a $871million budget deficit for mid FY2009 created by Gov. Sanford’s tax cuts. The fact that Sanford wants to cover his irresponsible fiscal policies with stimulus money is ridiculous and you cannot try to explain that away. Your ideology is flawed, and the presentation of your arguments even moreso.
STFU or come with some facts you asshat.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:16 pmReality check, you are an indefensible moron. The bottom line is that red states are welfare states. They take in federal tax dollars almost 2 to 1 than what they put in.
Power grab? I have to echo another poster’s sentiment that yes, there was a power grab. The American electorate has chosen the democrats to lead Congress and the Presidency. 30 + years of republican rule, culminating in the nightmare that was the Bu$h years, have been resoundingly rebuked and discredited. Now, are you going to say that 75% of Americans are just stupid liberals?
I would go on, but debating reality with a conservative republican is like trying to explain thermonuclear dynamics to and infant. Just not worth the time.
As for the mid-term elections? Americans will once again go democratic. If you don’t like it move. Get the F out. Start your own Taliban somewhere. Or better yet, move to Somalia. No government at all there! Your wet dream!
Or better yet, why don’t you go get some anal poisoning from your leader, Rush impotentballs?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:17 pmgimmegimme Says:
Democraps still need to move to Canada. They already have social health care and higher taxes. Plus, when global warming fries the United States, it’ll make Canada nice and comfortable. When will democraps figure out you can’t make money without consequences?
Hey sh!twad, when will you realize that you can’t make money to pay for state programs without taxes?
You don’t even make sense.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:18 pmwow, gimme and reailty check,
sure use a lot of imaginary information.
wonder where they get all that?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:19 pmMust be from a red state.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:20 pmRealityCheck Says:
Enjoy you’re power while you have it…Mid-Term elections are only 19 months away.
Then I can watch all of you cry again like the little snot nosed libs you really are!
Haha, delusional dummfuk. EATSH!TNDYE
April 8th, 2009 at 12:20 pmRealityCheck Says:
Then I can watch all of you cry again like the little snot nosed libs you really are!
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Wow… that sure is meaningful commentary…
Saaaay… is this Glen Beck? Sean Hannity?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:20 pmRealityCheck Says:
Enjoy you’re power while you have it…Mid-Term elections are only 19 months away.
Then I can watch all of you cry again like the little snot nosed libs you really are!
As he cries and moans himself…how precious.
Why don’t you grow a brain, ashhole
April 8th, 2009 at 12:20 pmgimmegimme Says:
Democraps still need to move to Canada. They already have social health care and higher taxes. Plus, when global warming fries the United States, it’ll make Canada nice and comfortable. When will democraps figure out you can’t make money without consequences?
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rc is on the bench and
the first string trolls are
in the game.
;)
April 8th, 2009 at 12:22 pmHow are those states that have always been run by Righties doin’?
MS, AL, GA, TN, KY, OK, FL, etc., etc.
it’s like a roll-call for barrel-bottoms.
clue up, righty tough-guys. shootin’ yer mouths off just proves what we already suspected.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:22 pmIt looks like we couple od trolls watch to much Fox and listen to Bush Limpballs……….might I suggest to you two trolls that when you listen to these Reich Wings nuts spin it around 180 degrees and then you will have the truth and not lies or deceit.Wake up and listen to hypocsrisy coming from your very own party and yourselves.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pmSpeaking of snot-nosed, have you seen your furher herr bush at the Rangers ball-game?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pmHey gimmegimme and realitycheck, care to remind us who won the last couple of election cycles?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA you whiny losers!
April 8th, 2009 at 12:23 pmRealityCheck Says:
The truth of the matter is that BO and Pee-lice-ie rammed through a so called stimulus package that is no more than a power grab and wish list of the last 25 years of the Liberal agenda.
gimmegimme Says:
Democraps still need to move to Canada. They already have social health care and higher taxes.
“Whenever anybody calls you a name, you win.” — Bill O’Reilly
April 8th, 2009 at 12:25 pmIt’s only in these kind of economic times that you can make the changes that are essential, frankly, to South Carolina being more competitive.
So how is making your already broken educational system even worse going to help the state be more competitive?
I do believe that President Obama has already told Sanford that he can’t use the money to pay down the debt, so why is he talking about it again. I’m fairly sure the government isn’t going to write him a big check that he can do with what he wants. I’m thinking the government won’t turn over the money until they know that it is going to be used for what it was designated to be used for.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pmtombaker, are you saying they don’t have social health care and higher taxes? You can do what you want with your opinions, but you can’t deny facts.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:26 pmgimmegimme Says:
tombaker, are you saying they don’t have social health care and higher taxes? You can do what you want with your opinions, but you can’t deny facts.
That is rich coming from a moron like yourself.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:29 pmMaybe Sanford will suggest trimming that K-12 education plan in South Carolina down to a more fiscally responsible K-8. Why waste 4 years when everything that a student in South Carolina needs to know has been learned by 8th grade, especially how to sound out the four syllable word re-pub-li-can as they select and complete their voting ballots.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:30 pma little off topic but does anyone else wonder why the public education system never gets better, despite how much money we throw into them? We need more charter schools,vouchers and privatization. This money will just go into the endless black hole.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:30 pmRP2012 Says:
a little off topic but does anyone else wonder why the public education system never gets better, despite how much money we throw into them? We need more charter schools,vouchers and privatization. This money will just go into the endless black hole.
Ahh Ron Paul 2012…a better question would be why has our PUBLIC EDUCATION system gone from arguably the best in the world to where it is now?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:32 pmgimmegimme Says:
When will democraps figure out you can’t make money without consequences?
As usual, for a conservative it’s all about making money. Even if in the process you are killing your planet and your grandchildren won’t live to have grandchildren of their own. I have never hated anyone in my life until George Bush took over our country. Now, I pretty much hate all Republicant’s. For them it’s “all about me” and “I got mine now FU”. They don’t deserve to live in this once great country.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:33 pmgimmegimme Says:
tombaker, are you saying they don’t have social health care and higher taxes? You can do what you want with your opinions, but you can’t deny facts.
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if only you had one.
:)
April 8th, 2009 at 12:33 pmIt’s going to take democrats a while of screwing things up before republicans get back into power. Before you start talking about how republicans caused this financial meltdown, let me say, democrats caused it. Whose idea was it that every American deserves the dream of home ownership? Aside from that, most Americans got into excessive debt, that’s republicans and democrats. The difference being that republicans know that the government spending more money will only make things worse. P.S. have they figured out how to make pig crap smell better yet, because you democrats are full of it and starting to stink.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:33 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
gimmegimme Says:
When will democraps figure out you can’t make money without consequences?
As usual, for a conservative it’s all about making money.
As evidenced by Idiot Sanford’s tax cuts and budget deficits, they don’t really know how to make REAL money anyhow.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:34 pmBilbo, sorry I didn’t make that clear. I don’t mean making money, I mean printing money.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:34 pmRP2012 Says:
a little off topic but does anyone else wonder why the public education system never gets better, despite how much money we throw into them? We need more charter schools,vouchers and privatization. This money will just go into the endless black hole.
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a little bit trollish
but you answered your
own question.
:}
want to try again?
:0
April 8th, 2009 at 12:35 pmIt does actually improve, in spite of having the people who want privatization and vouchers standing on its throat year after year.
Remember, clever guy – The Greatest Generation – you remember, those old people who saved the World in the ’40’s – most all attended Public Schools, then went on to achieve more than any identifiable demographic has since.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:35 pmgimmegimme Says:
It’s going to take democrats a while of screwing things up before republicans get back into power. Before you start talking about how republicans caused this financial meltdown, let me say, democrats caused it. Whose idea was it that every American deserves the dream of home ownership?
Hey dumass, the biggest deficits in American history have started off with Republican administrations. Also, your buddy Bush touted the Ownership Society you now deride.
Fukoff.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:35 pmright wing cowards like gimmegimme are hilarious with their ignorance and fear
April 8th, 2009 at 12:35 pmtombaker Says:
It does actually improve, in spite of having the people who want privatization and vouchers standing on its throat year after year.
Remember, clever guy – The Greatest Generation – you remember, those old people who saved the World in the ’40’s – most all attended Public Schools, then went on to achieve more than any identifiable demographic has since.
Booyah!!! Sorry cons and libertarian fantasy-landers, history does not back your positions.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:36 pm“Ronald Reagan proved deficits don’t matter”
-Dick Cheney
So tell me, Mr. gimme – how liberal is Dick Cheney?
Coherence is not a STD – try it out some time.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:37 pmUh…Bush did:
“I’m here to celebrate National Homeownership Month, because I believe owning a home is an essential part of economic security.”
April 8th, 2009 at 12:37 pmAnd talking about those who hate us & why they hate us:
Bush: “They hate the idea that somebody can go buy a home. They hate freedom; that’s what they hate.”
April 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pmpastcaring, uh…clinton did
April 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pmOf course he doesn’t want better education. Only stupid people vote GOP to begin with.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pmgimmegimme Says:
It’s going to take democrats a while of screwing things up before republicans get back into power. Before you start talking about how republicans caused this financial meltdown, let me say, democrats caused it. Whose idea was it that every American deserves the dream of home ownership? Aside from that, most Americans got into excessive debt, that’s republicans and democrats. The difference being that republicans know that the government spending more money will only make things worse. P.S. have they figured out how to make pig crap smell better yet, [needs a question mark] because you democrats are full of it and starting to stink.
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RP2012,
if you want to further the cause
of education you can start by helping
your friend gg with his english.
:)
April 8th, 2009 at 12:39 pmRP2012, If you start privatizing schools you get REICH CHRISTIANITY sheeple and we don`t need anymore than what we got now!Take a look a New Orleans after Katrina hit and how many public schools remain,its called The Shock Doctrine and it worked in New Orleans and the public doesn`t now what hit them.Charter schools everywhere and the poor are screwed to the max.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:39 pmBush Goes On To SAY:
“But I believe owning something is a part of the American Dream, as well. I believe when somebody owns their own home, they’re realizing the American Dream. They can say it’s my home, it’s nobody else’s home.”
April 8th, 2009 at 12:40 pmBush goes on to say:
“The goal is, everybody who wants to own a home has got a shot at doing so. The problem is we have what we call a homeownership gap in America. Three-quarters of Anglos own their homes, and yet less than 50 percent of African Americans and Hispanics own homes. That ownership gap signals that something might be wrong in the land of plenty. And we need to do something about it.
We are here in Washington, D.C. to address problems. So I’ve set this goal for the country. We want 5.5 million more homeowners by 2010 — million more minority homeowners by 2010. (Applause.) Five-and-a-half million families by 2010 will own a home. That is our goal. It is a realistic goal. But it’s going to mean we’re going to have to work hard to achieve the goal, all of us. And by all of us, I mean not only the federal government, but the private sector, as well.”
April 8th, 2009 at 12:42 pmRP2012 Says:
a little off topic but does anyone else wonder why the public education system never gets better, despite how much money we throw into them? We need more charter schools,vouchers and privatization. This money will just go into the endless black hole.
No, we need to fund public schools to the point where we can hire quality teachers and have a manageable class size. And we need to get rid of “all children left behind”. All that program did was require schools to “teach to the test” which is not education, it is indoctrination. If our public schools were adequately funded and class sizes were of a manageable size, the quality of our public school education would skyrocket.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:42 pm“”"
past, don’t forget:
“Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.” —Presidential candidate George W. Bush, LaCrosse, Wis., Oct. 18, 2000
:)
dream on.
:)
April 8th, 2009 at 12:42 pmGimme a brake, Joe. I subbmit. Yoou rilly arr mutch smrter then mii. Typical democrap pig crap.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pmWhat is with today’s crop of trolls? Their arguments are far lamer than usual, and that’s saying something. Have they just lost their will to try?
gimmegimme Says: “Democraps still need to move to Canada. They already have social health care and higher taxes.”
– There have already been some Americans who have moved to Canada in the past eight years because they have grown disgusted with seeing this country coming unraveled. But most of us prefer to stay. It’s our country, it’s worth fighting for, and right now we’re winning. Sure, there’s a big mess to clean up, but it will get done now that we have some leadership. And by the way, I really don’t mind paying a few hundred more in taxes if it will save me the thousands I’m currently paying for health insurance.
RealityCheck Says: “Enjoy you’re power while you have it…Mid-Term elections are only 19 months away.”
– Um…is this supposed to leave us shaking in our boots? You may delude yourself into thinking that merely sounding vaguely menacing is sufficient. But you’re going to have to come up with an actual convincing argument if we are to believe midterms will bring us anything but more Democrats. The voters of this country let it be known in a resounding way last November they are fed up with the GOP neocon agenda, and the Republicans still don’t get it. If they don’t change, if they don’t firmly and loudly denounce Limbaugh and the other talking heads that have become the party mouthpieces, and if they don’t court the moderates, they’re still toast. And so far, we haven’t seen any movement from the GOP except to continue to pander to the rich and the far right. And one more thing — learn how to use apostrophes properly.
Send these trolls back — get us something a bit more challenging.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:43 pmRealityCheck,
it’s already been said– it’s just a fact that the red states always take more than they give.
as for California- as a resident here, the constitutional insanity of how budget is settled here always ties up how money is spent in this state. It’s not ‘liberals’ and their budgets, which are usually watered-down ineffective policies because they have to appease (surprise) a very annoying minority of Republicans who want nothing but the state of CA to fail so they will come back in power. You know nothing.
If you want to talk failed policies, catch up on the last 8 years when the GOP was in power. You guys lost for a reason.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:44 pmSanford wants to keep S.C. children uneducated so that they are more docile and pliable for the power classes. Uneducated people generally don’t fight back, don’t try to better themselves, don’t vote, don’t form unions, don’t seek better health care,and don’t seek better education for their children
Uneducated people generally do go along with whatever wars their government gets into, do make up most of the cannon fodder troops in the military, do work in unsafe conditions without organized complaint, and do get themselves involved in republican politics
Uneducated people see nothing wrong with working for slave wages, see nothing wrong with contradictory dogma (pro-life vs. anti-welfare, pro-theocracy vs. anti-big government), see nothing wrong with unconstitutional government behavior, as long as it’s their party doing it.
It’s no surprise that the poorest educational results are in southern states. Their motto seems to be: “Keep ‘em Dumb, Keep ‘em Republican”!
April 8th, 2009 at 12:44 pmIf you want to see what most of the Country will look like financially by the time BO leaves office, just look at California now? The Liberals have been running that state for many years now and it is completely bankrupt! Good for you Mark, keep at em!
The last time i checked, CALIFORNIA has a Republican Gov. And the last time I checked, state taxes for millionares in california is very low. When will you get it…the more you the MORE you must pay into the system….every other industrialized country has a progressive tax system…but not the US.
This disaster is created by the rich for the rich. Tax accordingly and see what happens.
Mark….your a F***en IDIOT!!!!
April 8th, 2009 at 12:47 pm“They can say it’s my home, it’s nobody else’s home.”
Except in the majority of cases, you never pay off the home, THE FCUKING BANK OWNS IT, feckless dipshit.
Good-God, what an embarrassment that idiot is.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:47 pmgimmegimme Says:
The difference being that republicans know that the government spending more money will only make things worse.
Oh really, then please tell us why George Bush took a surplus and immediately ran it into a huge deficit. And after that, tell us why George Bush doubled our national debt from $5 trillion to $10 trillion.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:48 pmAh…Blame Clinton…the mantra for repetitive indoctrination into the RW club of America!
I provided you with your fuhrer’s own words and still you persist.
BTW…do you have your card for the blame clinton club yet?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pmThe fraud sold to the American people about the NEED to own a home is on the same level as the pigshit leveled on us about the NEED to invest in the stock market.
Both were propaganda designed to increase the amount of money flowing into each (banks/stocks).
Alas, the bankers and brokers win (losing 500mil but still having net worth of 100mil is still winning in my book), and we foot the bill.
Reverse Robin Hood in it’s classic form.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:50 pmuh…just because i can’t resist here’s another little dose of reality for ya gimmegimme…
Bush went on to say:
“And so, therefore, I’ve called — yesterday, I called upon the private sector to help us and help the home buyers. We need more capital in the private markets for first-time, low-income buyers. And I’m proud to report that Fannie Mae has heard the call and, as I understand, it’s about $440 billion over a period of time. They’ve used their influence to create that much capital available for the type of home buyer we’re talking about here. It’s in their charter; it now needs to be implemented. Freddie Mac is interested in helping. I appreciate both of those agencies providing the underpinnings of good capital.”
(emphasis mine)
April 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pmI have to agree that the right wing nutjobs that have been here lately have lost a step.
Oh well, I guess that’s what happens when a political party caters only to the lowest common denominator.
Let them have their fun, regurgitating Limpball and Hannity and beck spew.
They’re too stupid to realize they are only marginalizing themselves.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pmRealityCheck Says: “Enjoy you’re power while you have it…Mid-Term elections are only 19 months away.”
And if that election goes the way the last two have, your loss of 37 seats in Congress will grow exponentially. In case you haven’t figured it out, the public approval of the Republican party is in the 20’s, worse than Bush’s. How is that going to translate into your party regaining power?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:51 pmYou can sense the fear and frustration in the Repugnicunts, look at the hysterical rants from our little troll friends. Scared to death that the world has changed and they are left holding an empty bag of ideology.
Cling to your guns and Bibles little guys, while we move our great country past your ignorance.
More of the middle right are coming to their senses and helping the country, the few that are left are becoming more isolated by the day. Hence the tears of rage and piss soaked panties of the likes of Becky.
I think it’s funny myself, like watching a dog bark at the mirror. They are stupid and useless, but funny.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pmgimmegimme Says:
Gimme a brake, Joe. I subbmit. Yoou rilly arr mutch smrter then mii. Typical democrap pig crap.
Whiner.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pmI sure hope they don’t pass universal healthcare. I don’t want to pay for all the liberals and homosexuals with STD’s. Oh, I forgot, that’s why they included the funding for STD’s in the supposed stimulus. Rather than being monogamous, we should just teach people not to catch anything. Point is, if we go to social healthcare, we are all responsible for everyone else’s medical bills. We will all pay more for this healthcare in taxes than we would pay for private health care.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pm“tombaker Says:
It does actually improve, in spite of having the people who want privatization and vouchers standing on its throat year after year.
Remember, clever guy – The Greatest Generation – you remember, those old people who saved the World in the ’40’s – most all attended Public Schools, then went on to achieve more than any identifiable demographic has since.”
Tweedster Says:
“Booyah!!! Sorry cons and libertarian fantasy-landers, history does not back your positions.”
So your argument is that a generation from 60-70 years ago did a lot of great things, so there is no need to change the way our education is run now? That isn’t very progressive is it? You also have to account for the times, no televisions, it was actually still popular to read and be taught by your parents. If we go on the statistics of our generation and our parents generation, I think you would see the need for change. Seriously, this shouldn’t be about ideology, we have kids who are less and less educated every year and that should scare everyone.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pmI’ll pony up my fair share for GG’s lobotomy.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pm“Freddie Mac is interested in helping. I appreciate both of those agencies providing the underpinnings of good capital.”
Has the thought of tattooing “shut up” in reverse on ol’ Shrub’s forehead ever crossed his or his PR agent’s mind?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pmPull your pants up, your bigotry is showing.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:56 pmgimmegimme Says:
Bilbo, sorry I didn’t make that clear. I don’t mean making money, I mean printing money
Your President printed money like a drunken sailor and put us into a financial quagmire it will take us a generation to get out of. Are you proud of that?
April 8th, 2009 at 12:57 pmRP2012 Says:
Ron Paul??????
Holy shit!
You can be excused now…
April 8th, 2009 at 12:57 pmgimmegimme-
how is that universal healthcare systems for other developed nations work just fine? why is the US lagging in quality and cost-effectiveness? what about the numbers for infant mortality?
and I believe the STD proliferation is increased in states with an emphasis on abstinence and lacking real sex-education. that would be the GOP states. the rest of us are always footing the bill for your party’s idiocy.
gimmegimme at least is an honest handle, because people like you only care about yourself, and that’s part of the reason we got in this mess.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pmScarborough is the dumbest commentator on MSNBC. Mika is running a close second. It seems the longer she sits by Joe, the dumber she gets. Sanford and Scarborough together is a good picture of what troglodytes really are. They are both bottom feeding, knuckle dragging cretins, still stuck in the 20th century, kicking and screaming to never have to move forward. Morning Joe cannot be cancelled too soon.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pmpastcaring, it started with Clinton. It won’t get better until the excessive debt of consumers is gone. It doesn’t matter if we dump money into the banks to help them start lending. There aren’t enough people buying. People need to start saving to buy items instead of buying everything on credit.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pmRP2012 Says:
“tombaker Says:
It does actually improve, in spite of having the people who want privatization and vouchers standing on its throat year after year.
Remember, clever guy – The Greatest Generation – you remember, those old people who saved the World in the ’40’s – most all attended Public Schools, then went on to achieve more than any identifiable demographic has since.”
Tweedster Says:
“Booyah!!! Sorry cons and libertarian fantasy-landers, history does not back your positions.”
So your argument is that a generation from 60-70 years ago did a lot of great things, so there is no need to change the way our education is run now? That isn’t very progressive is it? You also have to account for the times, no televisions, it was actually still popular to read and be taught by your parents. If we go on the statistics of our generation and our parents generation, I think you would see the need for change. Seriously, this shouldn’t be about ideology, we have kids who are less and less educated every year and that should scare everyone.
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gimmegimme Says:
Gimme a brake, Joe. I subbmit. Yoou rilly arr mutch smrter then mii. Typical democrap pig crap.
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case closed.
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and you’re still ot, rp.
:)
April 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pmgimmegimme Says:
We will all pay more for this healthcare in taxes than we would pay for private health care.
Actually, that’s not true. If we take the profit out of health insurance, and take out of the equation the high cost of providing health care to the uninsured, the end result will be a much less expensive way of providing health care.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pm“DNFP Says:
RP2012 Says:
Ron Paul??????
Holy shit!
You can be excused now…”
LOL… That is a shocking response.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:00 pmgimmegimme Says:
I sure hope they don’t pass universal healthcare. I don’t want to pay for all the liberals and homosexuals with STD’s. Oh, I forgot, that’s why they included the funding for STD’s in the supposed stimulus. Rather than being monogamous, we should just teach people not to catch anything
That’s why the funding focused on STD prevention idiot.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:00 pmYour President printed money like a drunken sailor and put us into a financial quagmire
Well, when you’ve never earned a penny in your life, barely earned a degree, been given the “keys” to many companies which he ruined, and were elected idiot-boy-king when you didn’t even ask for it, where else would ol’Dumbya think money comes from?
April 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pmgimmegimme Says:
It doesn’t matter if we dump money into the banks to help them start lending. There aren’t enough people buying. People need to start saving to buy items instead of buying everything on credit.
Well, this troll does have one coherent thought in it’s pea brain. And it is already happening.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pmTweedster Says:
Rather than being monogamous, we should just teach people not to catch anything
You need to talk to your party about that monogamous bit. They are the ones that seem to have a problem sticking to one woman. The list of Republicant’s who have cheated on their wives or gone to hookers is a mile long.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:02 pmTweedster Says:
“Booyah!!! Sorry cons and libertarian fantasy-landers, history does not back your positions.”
So your argument is that a generation from 60-70 years ago did a lot of great things, so there is no need to change the way our education is run now? That isn’t very progressive is it?
That wasn’t what was said, but it doesn’t change the fact that your “solution” doesn’t actually address any underlying problem and instead advocates throwing everything to the private sector. Which of course works in every situation, right??
April 8th, 2009 at 1:03 pmLOL… That is a shocking response.
No, no, no, it means I understand your warped perspective.
Go on, tell us some more incredibly awesome “Paulisms”!
Yes some public school systems are on the decline, yet I just took my kids out of private and into public because my local schools are incredible, nearby, and full of my neighbors and friends.
What’s your killer-awesome plan?
April 8th, 2009 at 1:03 pmOn one hand you’re a……………
On the other you’re just wrong…due to the high cost of caring for uninsured Americans, the cost doesn’t just disappear…it’s passed on to the insured in the form of higher premiums.
And…really…drop the Clinton thing. You look like a putz crying “He started it!”
April 8th, 2009 at 1:04 pmCheck what I wrote above. I support RP, I don’t blindly agree with everything he says.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:05 pmGOP Education Reform: Close the schools, put the kids to work, tax their wages, and we cut into the deficit from both ends!
Them schools ain’t no good no how, just like that little girl said. So get her a job down to the fast food and we all wins.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:05 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Tweedster Says:
Rather than being monogamous, we should just teach people not to catch anything
You need to talk to your party about that monogamous bit. They are the ones that seem to have a problem sticking to one woman. The list of Republicant’s who have cheated on their wives or gone to hookers is a mile long.
Easy Bilbo, if you ever attribute a gimmegimme post to me again, I’ll start to weep.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:06 pmgimmegimme Says:
Democraps still need to move to Canada. They already have social health care and higher taxes.
Here we go again…picking on my country Canada…well…all of you who enjoy life without being a slave to corporations are welcome to come to Canada. Yes we do have Single payer Health care and yes we do have subsidized higher education(individual pays 25% tution and Gov pays 75%) and yes we allow Gay Marriage through out the country and yes we pay more taxes (about on average 15% more)and yes we have less crime becuase we have a greater amount of people who graduate from high school and yes you must register your gun in Canada but then again we only had about 500 or so murders last year for a country of 32million…yes about 500 murders. If you enjoy life without religion in your face or government who practices secular politics withour religion, then this is your country. If you prefur people have the power not CORPorations then this is your country. If you prefur corporations paying a bulk of the taxes that go back into the community then Canada is your country.
I could go on…but me and my wife are taking off early from work (since we are NOT slaves to corporations in Canada)pick up our daughter from publicly funded day care and go shopping because we still have a sound banks (with regulations)and an economy that works for everyone!!!!
Let’s not tell to many people how good we have it hear…LOL.
Get a life gimmie…becuase we in Canada already have a GREAT LIFE. F***EN IDIOT!!!!!
April 8th, 2009 at 1:07 pmSELF-EXTINCTION
Today’s GOP is a genetically and or psychologically deviant mélange of morally and ethically damaged mutants, miscreants and kamikaze loyalists who are crashing and burning all things Republican. They are the figurative buzzards and hyenas fighting over the last scraps of a carcass riddled with maggots and festering clumps of putrefied viscera. They are the opportunistic parasites whose very existence is and always has been dependent on sucking blood from the engorged bellies of alpha predators. The prevalence of fear, paranoia, and irrational hatred in today’s GOP represents the antemortem gasps of a doomed species struggling to survive in evaporating pools of their own toxic waste as they mercilessly slice and dice one another in futile attempts to be a big fish in an increasingly smaller and smaller pond.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:08 pmgimmegimme Says:
Rather than being monogamous, we should just teach people not to catch anything. Point is, if we go to social healthcare, we are all responsible for everyone else’s medical bills. We will all pay more for this healthcare in taxes than we would pay for private health care.
April 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
________________
Ahh, yes. The “Don’t Get Sick” health care plan. Why even bother with private health insurance? Just tell everybody in the country not to get hurt or get sick, and they won’t get hurt or get sick!
PROBLEM SOLVED!
April 8th, 2009 at 1:08 pmRealness, in my GOP state we were taught about abstinence AND safe sex. My wife and I both chose abstinence. We waited for marriage. It’s the liberal agenda that stands for loose morals, so why don’t you pay the consequences for it.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:09 pm“That wasn’t what was said, but it doesn’t change the fact that your “solution” doesn’t actually address any underlying problem and instead advocates throwing everything to the private sector. Which of course works in every situation, right??”
Here is the problem, you are completely uneducated as to what a voucher program and charter schools are. I went to a charter school for music and it was open to anyone and completely “public”(free). My school gave a lot of kids from Detroit a great alternative to the shite that is DPS. It’s all about choice.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pmgimmegimme Says:
pastcaring, it started with Clinton.
Hey there dinkydunk, Clinton inherited a surplus and handed off to GWB who in turn created the biggest deficit in the history of the modern world.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pmgimmegimme Says:
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I sure hope they don’t pass universal healthcare. I don’t want to pay for all the liberals and homosexuals with STD’s. Oh, I forgot, that’s why they included the funding for STD’s in the supposed stimulus. Rather than being monogamous, we should just teach people not to catch anything. Point is, if we go to social healthcare, we are all responsible for everyone else’s medical bills. We will all pay more for this healthcare in taxes than we would pay for private health care.
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April 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pmAs typical of the REICH you have no clue about health care in other country`s, they have ,”Great Britain uses the Beveridge system which is a copy of our Veterans benefits system and if it is so bad why do we use for our Military heroes,The Canadian Health Insurance model is the model from our very own Medicare.Again if it is so UN American why do we use it.You trolls are mindless sheeple that refuse to help others you are only in it for yourselves and to me that isn`t very Christian like at all,you are all HYPOCRITS.
p.s. my kids former private school has a waiting list every year, charges and average of 11,800/year per student (no multiple discounts, no financial aid, nada, zip, zilch) yet still cannot balance it’s budget and has been forced to raise tuition an average of 12% for the last 5 years.
A fine example of the private sector getting involved in something WAY over it’s head, and failing miserably, except for the enormous endowments bestowed by the incredibly wealthy (welfare and handouts for the rich only, thank you).
April 8th, 2009 at 1:11 pmInteresting, I didn’t know that conservatives and heterosexuals are immune to STDs.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:11 pmRP2012 Says:
“That wasn’t what was said, but it doesn’t change the fact that your “solution” doesn’t actually address any underlying problem and instead advocates throwing everything to the private sector. Which of course works in every situation, right??”
Here is the problem, you are completely uneducated as to what a voucher program and charter schools are. I went to a charter school for music and it was open to anyone and completely “public”(free). My school gave a lot of kids from Detroit a great alternative to the shite that is DPS. It’s all about choice
How is it paid for? You also left out the call for more private schools from your initial post.
rp2012: We need more charter schools,vouchers and privatization.
Don’t misrepresent yourself RP.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:12 pmMy father loves his VA and Medicare benefits. Maybe that’s one reason he is no longer a Republican.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:13 pmTweedster Says:
gimmegimme Says:
pastcaring, it started with Clinton.
Hey there dinkydunk, Clinton inherited a surplus and handed off to GWB who in turn created the biggest deficit in the history of the modern world.
OOPS! I meant to say Clinton inherited a DEFICIT from BUSH I turned it around and then saw GQB plummet the budget sheet DEEEEEEP into the red.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:13 pmgimmegimme Says:
Realness, in my GOP state we were taught about abstinence AND safe sex. My wife and I both chose abstinence. We waited for marriage. It’s the liberal agenda that stands for loose morals, so why don’t you pay the consequences for it.
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“It’s the liberal agenda that stands for loose morals…”
are you sure?
:)
April 8th, 2009 at 1:13 pmIt’s all about choice.
In other words, it’s all about getting away from those “icky minorities”.
Check.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:14 pmDNFP,
The reason private schools run that way is because they are the only alternative to awful public schools (and yes some are great). Why would you be cheap and efficient if you had no real competition or incentive to? More competition creates a better product and lower prices and those who do not keep up with competition fail. Econ 101.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:14 pmgimmegimme Says:
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Realness, in my GOP state we were taught about abstinence AND safe sex. My wife and I both chose abstinence. We waited for marriage. It’s the liberal agenda that stands for loose morals, so why don’t you pay the consequences for it.
bahaaaaaaaa…BAHHHAAAAAA
Gimmie…I was f**ing your wife while you were praying….HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH…OH MY BELLY….HAHAHAHAHAHA
April 8th, 2009 at 1:14 pmNOLIESPLEASE, I can move to Canada today if I want to. I don’t want to. I also don’t want the United States to be like Canada. My grandmother moved to the United States because she had more opportunity here. Democrats want to take as much opportunity as possible away because they are not motivated enough to reach full potential.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:14 pmgimmegimme Says:
Realness, in my GOP state we were taught about abstinence AND safe sex. My wife and I both chose abstinence. We waited for marriage. It’s the liberal agenda that stands for loose morals, so why don’t you pay the consequences for it.
War-mongering and fraud are the moral core of Republicans. Sorry.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:15 pmGimmegimme,
right the liberal standard to have loose morals. I’m sure Vitter would agree with you. Or Newt Gingrich. or larry craig. or mark foley, or bob allen, or rush limbaugh’s pill addiction, o’reilly’s sexual harassment, or the recent focus on the family scandal of soliciting a 15yo girl online, or…
i’m sorry what were you saying?
April 8th, 2009 at 1:15 pmgimmegimme Says:
You can tug on it all day, make it red and sore, but it’s still only 4 inches.
Party-on.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:16 pmRP2012 Says:
DNFP,
The reason private schools run that way is because they are the only alternative to awful public schools (and yes some are great). Why would you be cheap and efficient if you had no real competition or incentive to? More competition creates a better product and lower prices and those who do not keep up with competition fail. Econ 101.
Then why do you advocate privitization?
April 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pmboth chose abstinence
Thank God.
No need to procreate the lowest levels of society, right?
April 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pmlol
April 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm“Tweedster Says:
Don’t misrepresent yourself RP.”
I was addressing the disregarding charter schools and vouchers. If you read what he said, he was criticizing me for wanting everything privatized.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pmgimmegimme Says:
Democrats want to take as much opportunity as possible away because they are not motivated enough to reach full potential.
LOL…you’re a moron to think that wanting to stratify society into haves mores and have nots provides opportunity.
Idiot.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pmin my GOP state we were taught about abstinence AND safe sex.
In my World, fcuk your state, home-schoolin’ aint no damn education, idiot.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:19 pm“In my GOP state, teen pregnancy rates are skyrocketing, and we consume more porn per capita than any blue state”
April 8th, 2009 at 1:20 pmTweedster
WHAT THE HELL? I advocate choice! Privatization, vouchers and charter schools. That will create competition which will create lower prices and a better quality product. You annoy me.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:20 pmFunneling money away from public schools is not “choice”.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:21 pmgimmegimme, Where is your rebuttal on Health Care,what`s wrong with the V.A. and Medicare? don`t you like gov`t run health care?By the way Medicare is run with a 3 percent overhead where as United Health Care gave their CEO over $1billion in cash a and incentives no wonder health care is so exspensive.Health care needs to not for profit, wouldn`t you agree?
April 8th, 2009 at 1:21 pmwrong.
look what deregulated free marketeering did for banks.
you actually want more of that action??
p.s. – no one’s telling anyone they can’t send their kid to private school. quit lying about what’s on the table.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:22 pmRP2012 Says:
“Tweedster Says:
Don’t misrepresent yourself RP.”
I was addressing the disregarding charter schools and vouchers. If you read what he said, he was criticizing me for wanting everything privatized.
Read post 136. Is he me? What?
April 8th, 2009 at 1:22 pmRP2012 Says:
Tweedster
WHAT THE HELL? I advocate choice! Privatization, vouchers and charter schools. That will create competition which will create lower prices and a better quality product. You annoy me.
And eliminating the choice of public education? What? You never really addressed how charters and vouchers can be “free(public)” and not be publicly funded.
Keep up.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pmtoo many people have 0 qualms about LYING all day long.
i’m not impressed, amused, or more likely to change my views.
“Nothing Accomplished”, courageous Righties.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pmDoubtful. Canada is actually rather picky about immigration. You have to show that you possess some useful skill, or could benefit the community in some way. Just being an incredibly stupid, narrowminded, a$$hole probably doesn’t qualify.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pmDon’t give me the more oppertunity crap buddy. You mean in the US you have better oppertunity becoming a corporate slave!!! You must be one who owns a corp and wants slave labor with no benifits, low saleries, no unions….just the life I want for me and my children.
You don’t want to pay others health care??? why not …you pay for police, fire , military , post office , medicare, medicaid, government employees , public schools, social security, umemployment insurance , city employees…shall I keep going????
Lets not get into a pissing match about countries…lets just look at statistics from world orginization that oversee insitutions acrosss the globe. How do you feel knowing the US is 37th in the world for healh care???? How about eductation …highest drop out rates in the industrialized world…not to mention the highest murder rate in the world (based on per capita)and lets not talk about the highest poverty rate in the industrialized world.
STOP BRAGGING ABOUT YOUR COUNTRY…IT’S NOT THE BEST ….FAR FROM IT.
JUST PRAY CHINA DOESN’T STOP GIVING YOUR COUNTRY MONEY, BECUASE WHEN IT DOES STOP….THE US WILL BE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. DON’T TAKE FROM ME….GO ASK THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW. YOU WILL SEE I’M NOT LYING.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:25 pmThanks shoeless….you pass the inteligence test. Need a sponsor???? Im here!!!
April 8th, 2009 at 1:26 pmRP2012 Says:
Tweedster
WHAT THE HELL? You annoy me.
::pats self on back::
Unbind your knickers and get your head in the game!
April 8th, 2009 at 1:27 pm“JUST PRAY CHINA DOESN’T STOP GIVING YOUR COUNTRY MONEY, BECUASE WHEN IT DOES STOP….THE US WILL BE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. DON’T TAKE FROM ME….GO ASK THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW. YOU WILL SEE I’M NOT LYING.”
Damn right because Obama will keep on spending spending spending spending spending money that we DO NOT HAVE, just like Bush did.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:28 pmWhy don’t we include the list of Repubs who molest children while we’re at it?
April 8th, 2009 at 1:29 pmchristopher wiwi Says:
Health care needs to not for profit, wouldn`t you agree?
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It used to be not for profit, until Reagan deregulated it in the early ’80’s.
Boy… that sure worked out good.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:30 pmThank you NLP. I may decide to move to Canada one day. I work in the paper industry, and the US has lost most of it’s paper industry. Besides, if I lose my job, I won’t have any health insurance.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:30 pmRP
Dick Cheney told us all that Ronald Reagan proved deficits don’t matter.
SO why are your panties bunched about it now?
OH, I get it, your disguising your racism with political-sounding camo.
Guess what? – it’s not working.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pmThe trolls on this board are confused and coming unglued (even more than when they started).
Weak sauce you foolios.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:32 pm“And eliminating the choice of public education? What? You never really addressed how charters and vouchers can be “free(public)” and not be publicly funded.
Keep up.”
Charters and vouchers are publicly funded so it does not eliminate public school funding. Imagine it like the Darwinian theory of survival of the fittest. The awful public schools will fail, being replaced by stronger more equipped public schools and charter schools. Also private schools will be more competitive because of the voucher programs.
Keep up.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:32 pmgimmegimme Says:
Democrats want to take as much opportunity as possible away because they are not motivated enough to reach full potential.
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Talk about silly BS…
No real point to make?
April 8th, 2009 at 1:33 pmNOLIESPLEASE,Shame on you for telling the TROLLS the truth, you have to use RE-PUKE speak spin it, that`s all they understand…..you forgot that they are SHEEEPLE.Thanks for having our backs.I love to go fishing in Nakina ,Ont and love Molsen Canadien Beer.I live In Hockey Town (Detroit for you non hockey peeps) I am a devoted wingd fans but I grew up with Hockey Night in Canada from the Windsor feed and love the Habs.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:33 pmThanks, but I don’t have time to read that list. It is sooooooooo long.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:33 pmshoeless Chilopoda Says:
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pastcaring ceratopogonidae Says:
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Why don’t we include the list of Repubs who molest children while we’re at it?
Thanks, but I don’t have time to read that list. It is sooooooooo long.
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The last time I saw the list I kept scrolling and scrolling and scrolling and scrolling and still never reached the bottom.
A, finally a theme close to every conservative’s heart: Social Darwinism.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:37 pm“RP
Dick Cheney told us all that Ronald Reagan proved deficits don’t matter.
SO why are your panties bunched about it now?
OH, I get it, your disguising your racism with political-sounding camo.
Guess what? – it’s not working.”
What the hell are you talking about? Do you think I am a Republican? Do you think I supported Dick Cheney or George w Bush. I was much to young to support Reagan. I am a Libertarian and I think both parties have become unhinged from the Constitution. And how does my political affiliation make me a racist. You are childish.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:37 pmRP2012 Says:
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“JUST PRAY CHINA DOESN’T STOP GIVING YOUR COUNTRY MONEY, BECUASE WHEN IT DOES STOP….THE US WILL BE A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY. DON’T TAKE FROM ME….GO ASK THE PEOPLE WHO KNOW. YOU WILL SEE I’M NOT LYING.”
Damn right because Obama will keep on spending spending spending spending spending money that we DO NOT HAVE, just like Bush did.
Get the story straight my friend….China started giving money years ago…remember this started in Jan 2007. Just becuase Bush was lying tell you the economy was sound doesn’t mean they weren’t getting money from China. OBAMA HAS NO CHOICE …THE COURTRY WOULD HAVE COLLAPSED ALREADY!!!!!
CHINA will stop giving money very some time in 09 or begining of 010. Other nations are pissed that the US refuses international regulations. So…the world is going to impose it on the US and there is nothing you can do except go into complete isolation and forfil it’s debts.
All becuase the American people were hood winked into believing that corporations are good for you and will give you jobs….LOL. Remember this fact….DEMAND GIVES YOU JOBS!!!WHEN THERE IS A DEMAND YOU WILL FIND WORK. NO DEMAND NO USE FOR YOU!!!
April 8th, 2009 at 1:38 pmSorry ….for mistakes…pot taking effect…lol. Oh I forgot to mention about this country…we have very lax pot laws.
Another great reason for living in this country…lol.
God bless the USA…..We in Canada have recieved the blessings a long time ago. OH CANADA!!!!
April 8th, 2009 at 1:40 pmMark, Mika and Joe…all a bunch of right-wing idiots. Hey Sanford, last time I check YOUR states school system is rank near the bottome in the country. Yup, right down there with dumbass Mississippi!!!
April 8th, 2009 at 1:41 pmRP
I’m not going to give up my kids’ schooling so that you can pretend to be upper-crust by using a voucher I fund to send your kids to a “private school”.
When we privatize pieces of the penal system, particularly those pertaining to juveniles, we get rape-ranches run by zealots with no real qualification other than capital.
I cannot imagine what might make you think that the same kind of thing wouldn’t happen in your fantasy-land of private voucher schools.
People need to get real, and give up on the venal grasping for the trappings of status. Mimicking the King will not make you (or your kids) into Royalty.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:42 pmWe all know the wingnuts loves them some Social Darwinism, but… if they were gonna be really consistent, shouldn’t they believe in Social Creationism?
April 8th, 2009 at 1:43 pmNoLiesPLEASE-
I know all about China and there lending to us. I know all about Bush’s spending with a Republican Congress and a Democrat Congress.
But I do love blaming ONLY Corporations for this problem. Do you not realize that the Corporations like AIG, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are the root cause of this problem and you’ll never guess who AIG is in bed with? The same people that RUN FREDDIE AND FANNIE. hint it has something to do with the Governement. I wouldn’t want to lie to you.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:44 pmAh yes, another Libertarian.
I tell ya, the Libertarians must be the fastest-growing party in the land, what with all those non-Republicans swelling their ranks these days.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:45 pmchristopher wiwi….I’m happy you know the truth. You are welcome here anytime. I should make you an honorary Canadian citizen just for watching HOCKEY NIGHT IN CANADA. Those who live near the Can/US border know what it’s like just over the border and realize that fight that must be won to achieve the basic nessessities of life.
WHO IS REALLY FREE????
April 8th, 2009 at 1:45 pmOh – If you’re a Libertarian, you should definitely look into my complete line of pharmaceutical products and airplanes.
I have the equivalents of the most-prescribed medications at a fraction of their regular prices – same goes for my top-quality aircraft – all are manufactured right here at my house, because the meddling government is “off my back”.
So take my medicine and fly my airplanes, because I said they’re good, and by God that’s reason enough!!
April 8th, 2009 at 1:45 pmPeople talk about public schools as if it’s a monolithic entity. The schools perform differently from state to state as scores show and in fact, they are quite different from community to community. Public schools in Iowa have little in common with the schools in South Carolina or Mississippi.So when people talk about the failure of all public schools,they are simply mouthing a phony talking point that masks hidden agendas aimed at unions and getting curriculum decisions in the hands of our aspiring theocrats.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:45 pmYou’d think so.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:46 pmAnd the wingnut’s mask slips.
Uh… there is no such thing as the “Democrat Party”. “Democrat” is a noun. “Democratic” is the adjective that would modify “Party.”
Those who use the awkward and grammatically incorrect construction “Democrat Party” always reveal themselves to be petty conservatives with little or no concern for proper use of language.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:48 pmNP
April 8th, 2009 at 1:50 pmI certainly respect your opinion in regards to the privatization of our education system.I admit as a Democrat there are some advantages to a privatized system. The vouchers would allow choice, you could choose what school you wanted to send your child to versus the mandated assigned public school.
My reservations fall in setting the curriculum, who sets the standards. It scares the hell out of me to think of halliburton or Mobil oil owning schools and setting curriculum standards.
Second who oversees these schools? If the government still has oversight do we not still have the issues we have today? Not to mention the fact that the voucher system would definitely fuel segregation and isolation of the poor and minorities. I just see way to many issues with the voucher program.
What are your thoughts?
“tombaker Says:
RP
I’m not going to give up my kids’ schooling so that you can pretend to be upper-crust by using a voucher I fund to send your kids to a “private school”.
When we privatize pieces of the penal system, particularly those pertaining to juveniles, we get rape-ranches run by zealots with no real qualification other than capital.
I cannot imagine what might make you think that the same kind of thing wouldn’t happen in your fantasy-land of private voucher schools.
People need to get real, and give up on the venal grasping for the trappings of status. Mimicking the King will not make you (or your kids) into Royalty.”
LOL if you understood what I was saying and the programs I’m speaking of, you would know that your kids wouldn’t give up anything. You can’t use an example of the penal system when talking about charter schools (they are still public), apples and oranges.
Research it before you open your uniformed mouth…err your uniformed typing fingers. Oh and my kids will be going to a fantastic private school.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:51 pmNOLIESPLEASE, The same goes for you, though at the moment we got problems with them damn pesky Reich Wing nut jobs like the trolls that post here and the morons they listen to I won`t name them because we all know who they listen to on the TV and radio.Peace to you and everyone else I have to go to work, see ya tonite after midnite.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:52 pmAh, here we go again. Every right-winger is a Libertarian. With all these “Libertarians” running around, and not a Republican in sight, I don’t understand why a Libertarian can’t get elected dogcatcher, yet Republicans get millions of votes.
BTW, every person who truely understands libertarian ideology and still supports it is a racist.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:54 pmWhy is it we put the least educated/moral in charge of education funding?
April 8th, 2009 at 1:56 pmYes, why is this supposed “Libertarian” using a childish Republican ploy?
April 8th, 2009 at 1:57 pmMike71654 Says:
Mike71654 Says:
NP
I certainly respect your opinion in regards to the privatization of our education system.I admit as a Democrat there are some advantages to a privatized system. The vouchers would allow choice, you could choose what school you wanted to send your child to versus the mandated assigned public school.
My reservations fall in setting the curriculum, who sets the standards. It scares the hell out of me to think of halliburton or Mobil oil owning schools and setting curriculum standards.
Second who oversees these schools? If the government still has oversight do we not still have the issues we have today? Not to mention the fact that the voucher system would definitely fuel segregation and isolation of the poor and minorities. I just see way to many issues with the voucher program.
What are your thoughts?
MIKE thanks for an honest question. First off with your reservations to curriculum, all schools would still need to meet the requirements of the accreditation boards of that particular State. That also solves the problem of the over site as well as parents. The voucher helps minorities more than anyone because it gives them a chance to leave their failing public schools. I said earlier that I went to a charter school, which I also would love to see more of, and we had a ton of kids from the Detroit school system come up so they could study art and music (it was an art school). It was still publicly funded and it gives parents choice.
April 8th, 2009 at 1:59 pm“shoeless Chilopoda
BTW, every person who truely understands libertarian ideology and still supports it is a racist.”
Why don’t you study the history of your progressive movement. Moron.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:01 pmNo, it helps a very small portion of said minority at the expense of the rest that got left behind at that failing school. All vouchers do is transfer money from the public school system and uses that money to subsidize a private school education. What it does is weaken the already poor school and strengthen the already excellent (let’s assume) private school.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:05 pmYes – the “race to the bottom” has worked so well in so many areas – we’d better just apply it across the board.
It really would be just great to have the cheapest schools with the cheapest teachers and cheapest facilities providing the cheapest education they can to all the little moys and girls.
I just can’t wait to see the WalMart model applied to education. It will surely be a resounding success.
Thanks for the monumental truckload of BS, RP.
Have a nice day.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:05 pmhaha you tombaker are an absolute idiot who knows NOTHING about economics. WalMart is the most successful corporation in the world right now. Yet they still offer the lowest prices you can possibly find with the same quality. Low pricing helps a lot of minorities and gives millions of people jobs. You sound a little racist now sir.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:10 pmMy school district experiment with privatized janitorial servioces. What a nightmare. We gave it up between the stolen equipment and the fact that the students were forced to carry their own toilet paper in their backpacks because it was unlikely the bathrooms would have anymore it just didn’t seem to make much sense…
April 8th, 2009 at 2:12 pmwags camponotus
“No, it helps a very small portion of said minority at the expense of the rest that got left behind at that failing school. All vouchers do is transfer money from the public school system and uses that money to subsidize a private school education. What it does is weaken the already poor school and strengthen the already excellent (let’s assume) private school.”
No when you offer vouchers, charter schools and the good ol’ public school, things will change for the better. Read, don’t just form an opinion based on your politics. you are all sooo close minded.
Good DAY
April 8th, 2009 at 2:12 pmIs that why they engage in anti-worker behavior, like limiting hours to 39 per week in order to avoid paying full-time benefits, locking their wrokers in stores overnight, and vehemently opposing the formation of unions?
April 8th, 2009 at 2:13 pmThis does not happen. Public schools deprived of their funding cannot improve.
My opinion is not based on politics, it’s based on my own experience, which includes both private and public schooling.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:15 pmhaha you tombaker are an absolute idiot who knows NOTHING about economics. WalMart is the most successful corporation in the world right now. Yet they still offer the lowest prices you can possibly find with the same quality. Low pricing helps a lot of minorities and gives millions of people jobs. You sound a little racist now sir.
Yea and the quality of life in CHINA has increased dramaticlly becuase of WAL MART. How nice for the citzens of the US. Keep supporting a company that gets 95% of its products from China. The quality of life in the US will get better the more people get laid off and look for those $8 hour jobs wal mart is offering. I can send my kids to a shack (school), buy season tickets from my favorite sports team, pay for health care , save for my kid collage education, take two trips on my two week vacations and if I’m lucky….I may have enough for my wife…she would like some implants!!
April 8th, 2009 at 2:17 pmGOD…you said a sucker will be born every minute…NOT EVERY SECOND…stop f***ing with us. ITS NOT FUNNY ANYMORE!@!!
Uh sorry chump. Libertarians are the polar opposite of progressives. You have no idea what you are talking about. Progressives got Civil Rights laws passed. Libertarians have always called for the repeal of Civil Rights Laws. You are making a fool of yourself.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:18 pmRP2012 Says:
MIKE thanks for an honest question. First off with your reservations to curriculum, all schools would still need to meet the requirements of the accreditation boards of that particular State. That also solves the problem of the over site as well as parents. The voucher helps minorities more than anyone because it gives them a chance to leave their failing public schools. I said earlier that I went to a charter school, which I also would love to see more of, and we had a ton of kids from the Detroit school system come up so they could study art and music (it was an art school). It was still publicly funded and it gives parents choice.
RP You make some very valid points, I guess I have a little advantage understanding because my parents worked hard and sent me to private school. All during those years, my parents continued to pay school taxes. Now, they never complained, my Dad was always proud to pay his taxes, he felt that in a small way he was giving back and helping build our great Country. However in a small way he always felt that he was paying twice for my education.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:18 pmI know this much, our schools are failing and failing bad. Our only answer seems to be throw more money at them, yet they continue to get worse instead of better. I will probably get bashed to death on here but I am not sure we should not at least take a closer look at the voucher system. If it was done correctly and the oversight kept the curriculum consistent they may be of real value.
I shouldn’t be surprised at you kid. Most people who claim to Libertarians know very little about libertarian ideology.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:18 pmRP2012 Says:
haha you tombaker are an absolute idiot who knows NOTHING about economics. WalMart is the most successful corporation in the world right now. Yet they still offer the lowest prices you can possibly find with the same quality. Low pricing helps a lot of minorities and gives millions of people jobs.
Ron Paul fan and WalMart advocate. Nuff said.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:21 pmRP2012,same low quality crap from CHINA………..Wallmart doesn`t have much American made goods because we are on of the worlds largest importers and one of the worlds largest exporters of natural resources.We don`t sqat here anymore because of neo-liberal trade policy`s and don`t forget our dependence on Mexico for cars and our enormous trade defeict with the known universe because Ray Gun nomics.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:22 pmRight. And he doesn’t even know that Ron Paul is a racist.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:22 pmRP2012,
Do you favor repeal of the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
April 8th, 2009 at 2:24 pmWell, your arguments sure aren’t opening any minds here. They seem to be built largely on Ayn Randian principles of laiisez-faire economics applied to education, which doesn’t work.
Public schools are not businesses, and they should not be run as such. When they are, the result is further stratification in society, which suits corporatists just fine as it provides an abundance of cheap, unskilled and uneducated labor for their enterprises. Unfortunately, it doesn’t provide a very big middle class to purchase their goods and services. It’s an unsustainable social model, and the past thirty years in this nation have shown that.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:25 pmSounds by his use of the english language Sanford was educated in South Carolina
April 8th, 2009 at 2:25 pmGood point Ralph. That is exactly where we went wrong with health care. Some things should not be run for profit.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:27 pmRalph, you are the man.Some Ayn Rand isntitute cat was just on T.Hartmann and he sounded like RP2012.Morons all of them,when you pritvatize you get low quality reforms and too much back room politics and under the table money changing hands.Gotta go.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:28 pmPerhaps you haven’t seen the wal-mart movie?
April 8th, 2009 at 2:29 pmMike71654 is the only person in here who has an open mind. We can all disagree, but calling me a racist or saying I don’t understand my own principles is absurd. Ron Paul is not Racist. Mike you are a good Democrat!
April 8th, 2009 at 2:32 pmit’s fun to watch two sock puppets talk to each other.
story time!
April 8th, 2009 at 2:35 pmIt’s just that he’s the only one not disagreeing with you.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:35 pmI’ll ask you again. Do you favor repeal of the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
April 8th, 2009 at 2:36 pmIt is un-American to disengage from the mandatory service of education because you don’t like how it’s run. This is a democracy, inform yourself of representatives and policies that seek to change the education system.
There is nothing democratic about the decision to privative such a fundamental service as education. Rather, it completely illustrates the conservative’s backwards view to dismantle public services for the benefit of a small group of people.
The U.S. has always led the world in innovation and research, and now we want to privatize a system that has worked for all of us? How they call themselves Americans is beyond me.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:40 pmRP thanks. I don’t want to start a fire storm but, as we discussed I certainly think that the voucher system should be looked at. Even if we did not privatize the actual schools. An example would be: lets say you have a child, the government give you a voucher to pay for his education. There are two public schools within 2 miles of your home. One of these schools has a real knucklehead principal and a GPA average of 1.8.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:42 pmThe other school has a really great staff and an average GPA of 3.2 which one would you choose?
That is called competition. What is going to happen to the school that has the crap GPA? They will either improve quickly or close. Now I know all the arguments, still have upkeep of the buildings,teachers unions Blah blah blah.
Well if the teachers are put into this position of competition they either perform or they loose their job. Just like in the real world.
You know very little about the ideology and the man you so fervently support.
Ron Paul ’90s newsletters rant against blacks, gays
April 8th, 2009 at 2:42 pmIt’s the exploitation of the word “freedom” that the GOP has monopolized. Rather than see that public education has given freedom to Americans since its inception, conservatives want to sleep better at night knowing they are for the “freedom” of choice to withhold resources to public instituation, that they are in line with a noble ideology, rather than the reality of cynical elitism and selfishness.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:44 pmBecause that worked so well with health care…
The so-called ‘free-market’ has proved remarkably inept at addressing social problems.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:47 pmwags camponotus saundersi Says:
The so-called ‘free-market’ has proved remarkably inept at addressing social problems.
With all due respect the Schools have not done so well either.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:50 pmThe US used to have the best public schools in the world. Getting them back up to par does not include gutting their funding.
April 8th, 2009 at 2:52 pmMike71654 Says:
wags camponotus saundersi Says:
The so-called ‘free-market’ has proved remarkably inept at addressing social problems.
With all due respect the Schools have not done so well either.
They certainly did at one time. What’s happened since 1967 (obviously the greatest high school class) to account for this? Why did my kids get such a shoddy education in the 90s?
April 8th, 2009 at 2:53 pmshoeless Chilopoda Says:
RP2012 Says:
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Ron Paul is not Racist.
You know very little about the ideology and the man you so fervently support.
Ron Paul ’90s newsletters rant against blacks, gays”
Did you read that article? Those were published anonymously under the name Ron Paul. He claims to have not written those article and frankly it would be very out of character for him to have done so. YOU know very little about the ideology of Ron Paul. You are so fervently grasping at straws that it’s quite sad. I pity you.
April 8th, 2009 at 3:17 pmIt’s an important question, gum, and I think the liberal education movement in the sixties and seventies can shoulder some of the blame — movement away from fundamentals, for instance — but I think it’s mostly to do with demographics and social shifts. As fewer families fit the traditional two-parent-one-income model, schools were being asked to carry more of the burden. Discipline. Babysitting. Even nutrition.
Schools aren’t set up for these tasks, and at the same time they were being asked to expand their responsibilities, their funding was cut year after year. And then conservatives fully embraced their anti-education mindset, blaming teachers for being lazy and overpaid, trying to force education into a business paradigm, treating students like “products”. Whether this was a conscious political strategy I can’t be sure (even conservatives recognize that, when it comes to education, “you can get too much of a good thing”). But it’s been an effective one.
April 8th, 2009 at 3:24 pmRP, we really don’t need your pity.
We really don’t need very much from you. You have proven to have precious little to offer, aside from standard right-wing simplistic answers to complex questions and predictable protestations of “I’m not a Republican, I’m a Libertarian!”
April 8th, 2009 at 3:27 pmAnd he doesn’t even know what a Libertarian is. He doesn’t even know whether he supports repeal of the 1964 Civil Rights Act.
April 8th, 2009 at 3:36 pmThis article could be entitled:
April 8th, 2009 at 3:41 pmScarborough stops blowing Cheney long enough to give Sanford a reach around.
What a pieces of shit Sanford and Scarborough really are.
Dead interns, Joe!
April 8th, 2009 at 3:42 pmSchools aren’t set up for these tasks, and at the same time they were being asked to expand their responsibilities, their funding was cut year after year. And then conservatives fully embraced their anti-education mindset, blaming teachers for being lazy and overpaid, trying to force education into a business paradigm, treating students like “products”. Whether this was a conscious political strategy I can’t be sure (even conservatives recognize that, when it comes to education, “you can get too much of a good thing”). But it’s been an effective one.
Notice how conservatives never say that CEOs and Wall Street executives are lazy and overpaid…
April 8th, 2009 at 4:01 pmIn my experience there remain only two types of Libertarians: Republicans too cheap to pay their taxes and those that just wish to smoke their pot in peace…
April 8th, 2009 at 4:04 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
RP, we really don’t need your pity.
We really don’t need very much from you. You have proven to have precious little to offer, aside from standard right-wing simplistic answers to complex questions and predictable protestations of “I’m not a Republican, I’m a Libertarian!”
Oh so “lets send a lot of money and start new government programs!” isn’t a simplistic answer. You do need my pity because when all of our civil liberties are gone and we have the federal government dictating every decision that we make through oppressive legislation, then you will need pity. When this class warfare you love so much actually effects you negatively, then you will need pity. Big centralized government has been done throughout the history of the world and it is not a progressive idea, it is old and outdated. The Constitution is a Progressive document that guarantees civil liberties and economic freedom. You can’t have a Government that bails you out and expect to keep your civil liberties. Look at GM. Oh and shoeless I chose not to give you an answer for such a moronic question.
April 8th, 2009 at 4:09 pmSince the Ron Paul phenomena, there is a third type of Libertarian, those who have no idea what a Libertarian is.
April 8th, 2009 at 4:09 pmReally? You refuse to say whether or not you support repeal of civil rights laws? That question is not moronic, it is simple. Either you want to repeal civil rights laws or not. Are you embarrassed to answer the question? What are you hiding?
April 8th, 2009 at 4:13 pmAww, poor GM’s civil liberties, all trodden upon…
Oh wait, GM isn’t a person.
April 8th, 2009 at 4:25 pmYou do need my pity because when all of our civil liberties are gone
April 8th, 2009 at 4:43 pm—
Like having to drive at a specific speed? I like to go really fast especially when I am super drunk and high… I also don’t get this whole thing about not letting me marry whomever I wish thing. Good thing that big bad governement in VT lets people be free…
To a Libertarian, GM is more of a person than you are.
April 8th, 2009 at 4:44 pmNo GM is an example of what happens when you let the Government support you.
“Like having to drive at a specific speed? I like to go really fast especially when I am super drunk and high… I also don’t get this whole thing about not letting me marry whomever I wish thing. Good thing that big bad governement in VT lets people be free…”
Well that’s where we differ, I understand the Constitution and know the 10th amendment. I am for State’s rights and Local Government. I am against a federal Government that completely oversteps it’s boundaries.
shoeless Chilopoda,
It’s funny how you keep making generalizing statements on how I don’t know what Libertarianism is. Can you give me your extensive knowledge on the subject. Please not just what you heard from Keith Olberman. I am interested and how misinformed you actually are.
April 8th, 2009 at 5:12 pmGM is an example of a failed corporation based on a failed business plan, that also gambled in derivatives, that needed the US corporate nanny state to prop it up.
You’ve failed to explicate how exactly this is an example of the federal government infringing on individual civil liberties.
April 8th, 2009 at 5:16 pmI am against a federal Government that completely oversteps it’s boundaries
April 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm— Like the Bush administration?
Funny, but I’ve never heard Keith Olberman mention libertarianism. I was a Libertarian when you were a baby. It took me a while to understand what it was really about. You are a young fool, who has no clue.
I am asking you a very specific and important question, which you are either afraid, or too ignorant to answer. Do you support repeal of the 1964 Civil Rights Act?
April 8th, 2009 at 5:30 pmRP2012,
Since you refuse to anser the civil rights question, here is another one for you.
Do you support private ownership of all water rights, including all rivers, lakes, and beaches?
April 8th, 2009 at 5:35 pmI had a chance to go to South Carolina once but couldn’t because my passport had expired.
April 8th, 2009 at 5:53 pm*
RealityCheck Says:
You are really stupid RC. It isnt a power grab to give money and say it has to be used in a specific manner and only a moron as monumentally stupid as you would think it was.
April 8th, 2009 at 8:00 pmShoeless,
Do you know my age? No. If you became a progressive or liberal or democrat, whatever it is you quacks are calling it these days after being a Libertarian, well then I guess you never believed in any Libertarian principles (probably just the ones that were easy).
To answer your extremely childish and I’m sure loaded question. No we should not repeal the civil rights act. All legal American citizens are protected under the Constitution and no one should be subject to segregation or disallowed full voting privileges.
Secondly, If a lake or stream or puddle is fully on your property, it is yours. If it is on State Property of County Property it is theirs. Zoning usually takes care of those issues.
If you were truly ever a Libertarian you might understand that we believe in a strong local and state government. The Federal government has their role as well, which has been completely over stepped. Libertarianism is not Anarchy. You old uneducated fool.
April 8th, 2009 at 8:26 pmSpecifically how has the federal government over stepped its role?
April 8th, 2009 at 9:12 pmJoe is an idiot and Mika is even dumber. I bet neither of their kids go to school in South Carolina. And to even compare balancing a budget to destroying lives and commiting families to generational poverty because they can’t get jobs is a rape or hanging similar to what they did during Jim Crow. This is the true DEVIL!
April 9th, 2009 at 12:31 amWe should not be surprised by this. Republicans are notorious for being against ANYTHING that helps the average person.
April 9th, 2009 at 10:43 amANY governor that puts paying into a retirement system instead of education should be horse whipped.
SANFORD: Yeah, but here’s the bottom line. What this tug of war is really about is reform within South Carolina. … It’s only in these kind of economic times that you can make the changes that are essential, frankly, to South Carolina being more competitive. So our view is, no, we could make some changes that created the dollars that could then be allocated to education and other things.
Textbook Shock Doctrine Economics
April 9th, 2009 at 11:17 amQuote of the week-
Senate Finance Committee Chair Hugh Leatherman, a Republican, recently said: “If my house is burning down, I don’t get in my car and drive to the bank to pay off the mortgage. I put out the fire. I think that’s where we are in the state of South Carolina today. We need to put out the fire.”
April 9th, 2009 at 11:21 am“dbadass Says:
Specifically how has the federal government over stepped its role?”
1) Financial Bailouts (Bush and Obama)
2) Economic stimulus (Bush and Obama)
3) DEA Raids on California medical marijuana facilities
4) Any Federal Abortion law (leave it to the States)
5) Federal drug laws
6) intervention into private enterprise
7) an oppressive tax system (IRS)
8) Social security and medicaid
the list could go on and on.
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