Caller to C-SPAN: ‘Why do you keep bringing these neocons on?’
Caller to C-SPAN: ‘Why do you keep bringing these neocons on?’
This morning, C-SPAN’s Washington Journal hosted the National Review’s Rich Lowry, a conservative media figure who openly supported and advocated the invasion of Iraq and the subsequent “surge.” During the segment, a woman from Tampa called in to criticize the host and C-SPAN for continuing to host neoconservatives despite the fact that their ideas have “failed.” She likened Lowry to an inadequate car mechanic a customer keeps returning to:
CALLER: I would like to know why, if you had a car, ma’am, and it broke down and you took it to your dealer and it kept breaking down, and breaking down. Wouldn’t you change dealers? Why do you keep bringing these neocons on? [...] This failed! …And you keep on bringing on failed policy. [...] I would like you to tell me why we are still using this car dealer who has failed America.
While the host did not answer to the caller’s question, moments later, Lowry offered his support for giving an “or else” ultimatum to the Iranians on talks regarding its nuclear program. Watch it:
The caller’s criticism has a ring of truth. A 2007 Center for Economic and Policy Research study found that C-SPAN “overwhelmingly favor[ed] conservative think tanks in its coverage by a three-to-one margin over all left-of-center think tanks.” Indeed, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow recently asked of the neocons, “Why is it that people who are catastrophically wrong about big important things like foreign policy and war never, like, flunk out of that as a subject?”
Transcript:
HOST: Next call for Rich Lowry who is the editor of the National Review and the author of their cover story in the latest edition, “The War That Hasn’t Been Tried” on Afghanistan, is Tampa, Florida, Independent line and our caller is Mary. Good morning Mary.
CALLER: Good morning. I have to sort of amend my question because somebody asked part of it so bear with me for a second. I have a queestion for you ma’am and then I have one for him.
I would like to know why, if you had a car, ma’am, and it broke down and you took it to your dealer and it kept breaking down, and breaking down. Wouldn’t you change dealers? Why do you keep bringing these neocons on? You have got him on for 45 minutes this morning. Yesterday I listened to a lady from the so-called American Enterprise Institute. All she talked about is that we have to keep the war and armaments and all this stuff up.
This failed! We have death in our country, these young people. We have declined – steep decline. I am near 70! We have deep debt! And you keep on bringing on failed policy. There are over 300 million people in this country, ma’am and I can assure you the people I know are all for America. They are all for bringing this country up, not to tear it down through war, debt, destruction. This young man – very young – sits here and keeps saying “we have to go over there and do this.” Why isn’t he in uniform? That is my one question.
[…] I believe in the constitution. I also believe in Christianity were you don’t go out and drop bombs on your enemy. You work it out with them. I would like you to tell me why we are still using this car dealer who has failed America and I would like to know why –
HOST: Mary you made your point. Thank you very much for your call from Tampa, Florida. Mr. Lowry, what would you like to say to our caller?
LOWRY: Well, since I wasn’t called a traitor, I think it was a pretty calm and cool call. Given what some of what we’ve heard this morning. […]
HOST: I’m wondering what your thoughts are about the administration’s overtures toward Iran?
LOWRY: I doubt they are going to work, but it is not as though the Bush policy particularly worked either. So if this is an element of a broader strategy where we will reach out to them, and we will attempt to talk to them, and if nothing happens there is some a significant “or else” at the end of the process, it might be worth doing. I have not seen any sign of that “or else” on our side, but Bibi Netanyahu last week provided one in effect for Barack Obama saying that if these negotiations don’t produce some positive results fairly soon, the Israelis will take action and if there is any chance that these negotiations actually produce something it will only be because the Iranians take that threat very seriously.
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April 9th, 2009 at 4:29 pmObviously this show needs better screening of callers. I hear there might be someone available with experience.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:31 pmI agree! Been wondering the same thing.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:33 pmYou will not find a bigger CAP fan than me, but this post really begs the question of why Fred Kagan was invited to speak last weak?
April 9th, 2009 at 4:34 pmOne word lady, ratings. Just like its cool for Fox to claim fair and balance by bringing on Democrats/Liberals only to shout them down or cut their mics.
Bringing on neocons will spark the same type of response from that caller, but still wont prevent them from tuning in.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:35 pmLOWRY: Well, since I wasn’t called a traitor, I think it was a pretty calm and cool call…
Yeah, Mary, you should have called him a gutless little chickenhawk who masturbates to that pinhead Sarah Palin’s speeches.
A regular Republican, IOW.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:35 pmCorporations own most of the commercial broadcast media. Bush packed the Corporation for Public Broadcasting with winger ideologues who in turn packed the programming with AEI shills. What little else is left tends to assume that wingers will scream if their delusional point of view isn’t pushed but that liberals will tolerate the nonsense to get to the real news (give me a better explanation for why David Brooks gets to pontificate weekly on The Newshour). So much for the “liberal media”.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:37 pmYou don’t have the gravitas to be a traitor, Lowry. You’re just a garden-variety choad.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:39 pmWhy doesn’t the left have think tanks? That’s what we need to be better at. We need to spend more time and money in a similar way that the right does: public relations and controlling the media message. I mean, why do we let the “librul media” always present the right-wing framing of the arguments?
We need to pick up our flag and wave it proudly proclaiming all those who want Obama to fail are unAmerican. How dare you not support our president during a time of (two) war(s)!!
Pick up the right’s jingoistic, nationalistic memes and rub it in their faces.
I’m just so tired of their childish games.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:39 pmThe reason I do not watch C-SPAN…everytime I turn it on, there is some dumber than dirt wingnut repeating some lie they heard on radio. Why does the reichwing want to spread lies when we have all these problems that are the result of their failed philosophy? Why don’t they try to solve the issues they caused instead of lying about them? The answer is obviously that the wingnuts on the right have no idea what they are talking about. They are clueless about what they have done and are clueless about what needs to be done. They are liars, cowards, and crooks who only care about power.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:40 pmMrBrown Says:
One word lady, ratings. Just like its cool for Fox to claim fair and balance by bringing on Democrats/Liberals only to shout them down or cut their mics.
Bringing on neocons will spark the same type of response from that caller, but still wont prevent them from tuning in.
I respectfully disagree. C-SPAN does not need to care about ratings because C-SPAN does not have commercial advertising. Having more viewers will not bring in more money.
What we need to be concerned about is C-SPAN presenting guests as if they automatically have credibility and should be believed.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:40 pmSpeaking of failed neo-con hacks. 10s of thousands of Georgians have rallied to get Saakashvili to step down.
It seems goading the Russian military into bombing the shit out of your country wasn’t a winning strategy.
Link.
More Bush/Cheney/Neo-con/AEI Fail.
-GSD
April 9th, 2009 at 4:40 pmOMG, talk about a NON-STORY. Why is it you bed wetting lefties think that callers into a news program or radio show is news LOL. WoW. And to answer the callers question one only needs to go to the sourse…CSPAN itself, read and learn children:
Brian Lamb, C-SPAN’s chairman and CEO, conceived of C-SPAN while working at Cablevision, a cable industry trade magazine, as their Washington D.C. bureau chief. C-SPAN was created as a cable-industry financed, non-profit network for televising sessions of the U.S. Congress and other public affairs event and policy discussions. Bob Rosencrans, a cable industry pioneer, was alone in providing the initial seed funding of $25,000 to start up C-SPAN.[1] It receives no funding from any government source, has no contract with the government, and does not sell sponsorships or advertising. It strives for neutrality and a lack of bias in its public affairs programming.
That is why. Stop using clueless anomyous callers as news, you just look foolish.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:40 pmIt’s the media’s Stockholm Syndrome.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:43 pmTeleman, the left side doesn’t have the same kind of ‘think tanks’ because it is much more difficult to find a tank big enough.
What we need are more ‘libruls’ who can stand up and present rational counterpoint to the wingnutia. Not play their game of fear but explain just what is going on. That is sadly lacking.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:45 pmI love this woman. Whoever she is – BRAVO, BRAVO!
April 9th, 2009 at 4:46 pmCrymeariver,
Why do you come here for your news? Maybe if you “righties” could tell the difference, us “lefties” wouldn’t have quite the mess to clean up.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:46 pmWhy are the neocons being brought onto the all of the shows?
Frankly, news is all about all that is going on in society. Changes from the status quo, the conservative benchmark, if you will. When something changes the status quo in the negative direction, the conservative base is going to raise a ruckus about it all.
And when things are REALLY in the gutter, then you need people that are REALLY bitter about the negative change. It is easy for the news outlets to focus on the Obama Administration and Democratic-Party majority for solutions, but it is convenient for ratings to have a muckraker talk about everything that has gone wrong from the status quo.
But right now, my guess is that the neocons have nothing to do right now, with all of the progressive, liberal, and Democratic-Party affiliates doing…you know…WORK.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:51 pmCryingMORON look fool. This isnt your website. The caller made a good point. I have been saying the same thing for the last couple of years. If you dont LIKE this website feel free to avail yourself of the several million other sites out there but it isnt your CALL what they post and it isnt ever GOING to be. So cowboy up or STFU
April 9th, 2009 at 4:51 pmCrymeariver Says:
That is why. Stop using clueless anomyous callers as news, you just look foolish.
***
and your real name is…?
:)
April 9th, 2009 at 4:52 pmCrymeariver Says:
OMG, talk about a NON-STORY
Then why are you making such a hypocritical fool of yourself by posting about it?
April 9th, 2009 at 4:52 pmCrymeariver Says:
OMG, talk about a NON-STORY. Why is it you bed wetting lefties think that callers into a news program or radio show is news LOL. WoW. And to answer the callers question one only needs to go to the sourse…CSPAN itself, read and learn children:
That is why. Stop using clueless anomyous callers as news, you just look foolish.
No wonder the wingnuts are losing the blogger war — they don’t even understand what a blog is!
And, dopey, you didn’t answer the woman’s question (or even address it). “Why bother to get opinions from people whose ideas have been completely and utterly discredited by reality?”
April 9th, 2009 at 4:53 pmHoodathunktick: What we need are more ‘libruls’ who can stand up and present rational counterpoint to the wingnutia. Not play their game of fear but explain just what is going on. That is sadly lacking.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:54 pmI’d love to see that and that is just what I’m saying. We need more of OUR people on the media countering the right’s memes. But it seems we’re to busy trying to solve problems and govern whereas the right just wants to disrupt everything.
Wow! Between this caller and the one who called Limbaugh’s show, heads in the world of conservative media must be rolling all over the place!
Of course, these callers will be accused by the neo-cons of being paid workers from the Obama camp. Everything, including criticism of conservative ideology, is Obama’s fault, yanno.
/e wipes the dripping sarcasm off her lower lip…
April 9th, 2009 at 4:58 pmCryonyourliver, can you explain why the ‘damned librul media’ seems to be inundated with out-of-date, out-of-touch right wing talking heads?
April 9th, 2009 at 4:58 pmCrymeariver Says:
OMG, talk about a NON-STORY. Why is it you bed wetting lefties think that callers into a news program or radio show is news LOL. WoW.
ThinkProgress states that “media accountability” is one of their focuses. What is a non-story to some may be of interest to others.
Again, if you would like news, I suggest a newspaper. They could really use our business.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:58 pmCrybaby,
For some time, we’ve been told by you and your ilk that the media is librul. Now you folks are defending the media’s malpractice. Commoners have to do the media’s job.
The truth irked you yesterday, so you said “nobody was talking about this.”
Today you’ve signed back in, averseness to the truth intact, and you’re shouting “NON-TOPIC!”
April 9th, 2009 at 4:59 pmCrymeariver?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!
How’s that for a story?!
April 9th, 2009 at 5:00 pmI guess C-SPAN is running a neo-con support group now.
Cavuto is going off on being on the wrong side of the “tea party”, both historically speaking and in the now. This is precious.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:00 pmAs if everything he’s said up to this point isn’t ludicrous enough , RICH LOWRY believes he knows what is or isn’t going to work on Iran/Iranians ?
Yeah , with a name like that , I’m sure you were a part of some special type of US-envoy led to that country and/or the US ambassador to Iran…………
April 9th, 2009 at 5:01 pmCrymeariver Says:
OMG, talk about a NON-STORY. Why is it you bed wetting lefties think that callers into a news program or radio show is news LOL. WoW. And to answer the callers question one only needs to go to the sourse…CSPAN itself, read and learn children:
Brian Lamb… It strives for neutrality and a lack of bias in its public affairs programming.
And yet:
So if Mr. Lamb is striving for neutrality, do you believe he has been successful? Thanks for showing once again how detached from reality people like yourself are.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:02 pmThings you will NEVER hear on Fox Noise! Love actually seeing the news communicating what we are ALL actually thinking!
April 9th, 2009 at 5:03 pmTeleman, I would be willing to bet that no one on this site can explain why the nonRepublican side of these issues has come forward with rational explanations about what is going on.
My only guess is they don’t want to swing at pitches in the dirt. I find that less than adequate. This is a quote from Jim Hightower,
“If you do not speak up when it matters, when would it matter that you speak? The opposite of courage is conformity. Even a dead fish can go with the flow.”
April 9th, 2009 at 5:04 pmIf anyone is daring watching Glenn Beck right now, he’s now lost it in totality.
He has one of the Red Eye guys in a chair and he’s pretending to douse him in gasoline. And now he’s yelling about what “America needs”.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:05 pmNotice when crybaby can’t follow the law, he puts on a badge. Great diversion archie — we’re the children & you’re the mature grown up. You don’t expect anybody to believe that from the look of your posts, do you? Of course you do.
What have you published in your life, crybaby? Do you maintain an award winning website? Do you manage a staff along with a $25 million budget to keep it running?
April 9th, 2009 at 5:06 pmCrymeariver Says:
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That is why. Stop using clueless anomyous callers as news, you just look foolish.
April 9th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Like the Vet who called Fat Fu(k Limpballs out , shithead ?
April 9th, 2009 at 5:06 pmThe only ‘bed-wetters’ I see are all the scared righties shaking in their boots ‘cuz their so afraid of Iran!
They think going around threatening everyone is an effective form of negotiation. This twit Lowry seems to think getting his way must involve an “or else” somewhere. Is that how he acted as a child? Threatening his parents to create a scene if he didn’t get his way? How about now? Does he threaten his dates to comply, “or else”?
And screw him and his, “Bibi Netanyahu last week provided one (an ‘or else’) in effect for Barack”.
“Barack” doesn’t need Bibi’s help thank you very much. Bibi is more than capable of threatening people all by himself.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:08 pmGlenn is petrified about Cuba. He can’t draw a analytical string between the $8-9 a month that the citizens bring in and how high the abortion rate is.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pmI, too, would enjoy seeing more liberals on TV debunking the ridiculous claims of the right wing (and many of those claims are, frankly, ridiculous). But not the way they have people on TV now. They need a different format.
Jon Stewart was absolutely right to go on Crossfire and tell them “Stop hurting America.” And it worked. Crossfire was canceled about a week later, but it wasn’t the only program that should have been canned. You can’t just have someone from the left shouting at someone from the right, and then going to a commercial with no one the wiser for it.
The problem for Americans is that the right wing has managed to convince people that they should hear someone from the left and someone from the right (because we all think the answers are somewhere in the middle) in every policy discussion. But this thinking is flawed because it presumes that both the right and the left have valid points of view. That’s not at all true. The right wing does not use facts to make their arguments, they use emotion-stirring talking points that often have no foundation in reality. They don’t want people to think about an issue, they want them to feel it (so they won’t think.)
The neo-cons who took this country to war in Iraq were wrong, about just about everything! Rich Lowry was among them. Just because someone has seen fit to continue to employ him at their magazine does not make his views any more correct. He is as wrong now about Iran as he was about Iraq, and he was very wrong about Iraq. And would someone tell the right wing that America’s foreign policy should not be based on “might makes right”?
I want to see liberals on TV debunking the right wing’s claims, but do it in a thorough way, not just as a short segment between commercials. The people on the right have figured out that if they just keep shouting and talking down the other side long enough, the segment will end and no one could be said to have “won” the debate (which isn’t really a debate anyway).
I have yet to hear someone from the right lay out a well-reasoned, factually-based argument to support their view.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:11 pmGlenn is now trying to defend his fake dousing actions via 24.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:12 pmHi McMetal. Just when we thought we’ve been told all we need to know about that tub of lard, he always finds a way to introduce himself. Telling an Army/Marine Corps veteran that Obama is president because of people who “think the way you do.”
It’s nice to know there are a few conservatives out there with still a shred of common sense. Somewhat relieving, actually.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:12 pmRICH LOWRY was the biggest Sarah Palin apologist during the last election cycle — remember this?
Credibility factor: 0
April 9th, 2009 at 5:12 pmWhat more entertaining – a wingnut or a sane politician.
Case closed.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:16 pmThe media can continue to put up these neocons, it will only serve to remind us of there failures, if not crimes. Never forget.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:16 pmHere’s a quote from this ‘expert’:
I’m sure I’m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, “Hey, I think she just winked at me.”
April 9th, 2009 at 5:16 pmNow Glenn Beck and a professor from Columbia U. are saying a trickle down economy goes both ways.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:16 pmMr. Smug beat me to it!
April 9th, 2009 at 5:19 pmLowry says, “If America doesn’t act the Israelis will”.
Israel is trying to drag America into yet another war in the Middle East. In order to save millions of innocent civilian lives and trillions of American taxpayer dollars, I propose that we move the people of Israel to a safer, more secure, peaceful location…. like Dallas, Texas.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:19 pmGlenn Beck will be in Sacramento on April 15.
Greta Van Palin will be in Atlanta same day.
Faux News is trying to throw a organized national tea party on tax day.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pmWayne Ant Schneider, Jon Stewart had a terrific segment on Tuesday doing just what you described.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:20 pmThere is no point to a debate if only one side plays by the rules. Wayne is correct. Having equal time for a wingnut to spout insanity versus a person trying to be rational is not debate nor is it informative.
News programs used to present news, without glitz or bias and let people decide. Billo, Sean and company can have their shows just as we need Keith and Rachel and company to provide counter point but that is opinion and editorial.
Is it too much to ask to have real news back?
April 9th, 2009 at 5:21 pmI like that C-Span caller.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:22 pmIs it too much to ask to have real news back?
Real news does not sell.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:23 pmmary lacewing Says:Here’s a quote from this ‘expert’:
I’m sure I’m not the only male in America who, when Palin dropped her first wink, sat up a little straighter on the couch and said, “Hey, I think she just winked at me.”
And I just threw up in my mouth while grabbing for my wallet.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:23 pmGlenn Beck is trying to compare his show to Charlie Rose’s.
That’s like comparing Married…With Children to The Godfather. I apologize for using a classic sitcom in any analogy to represent Glenn Beck.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:25 pmGlenn is now saying TiVo or DVR his show tomorrow, because he’s being taken out of context a la Stephen Colbert.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:28 pmWayne, wonderful post. Unfortunately reasoned discussion doesn’t seem to work with those gut-feeling righties.
The Ed Show has those same “discussion panels” where they quickly devolve into shouting matches — I just can’t stand it.
Personally, I love the in depth substance of Maddow’s show but when you get beyond the bumpersticker mentally and gut feelings, the rabid right’s eye’s just gloss over and their brain shuts down.
I just think we need better marketing to come up with better sound-bite memes and get our message out there — without having to resort shouting and lying.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:29 pmIt’s destructive. The dem will spend most of time trying to debunk the lies that’s coming fast and furious w/o getting his/her points across or he/she will make the lies stand in order to get his/her points across.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:30 pmI honestly do not know how anyone can have the stomach to watch Glenn Beck. He turns me right off! Squishy Pillsbury Dough Boy.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:30 pmmary lacewing Says:
I honestly do not know how anyone can have the stomach to watch Glenn Beck. He turns me right off! Squishy Pillsbury Dough Boy.
It’s easier if you turn the back on the picture and just listen to the voice. It’s still nauseating, but only 20 or so more minutes.
Now Glenn is saying we all need faith in our lives. His show tomorrow is a emphasis on Good Friday/Passover. So that probably means the Left Behind authors and some Jews for Jesus guys are guests.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:34 pm“I just think we need better marketing to come up with better sound-bite memes and get our message out there”
You know what the best way to contradict the right’s talking points is? Good Governance.
However, the problem is that we govern so well, the country ends up taking it for granted and thinks “Things are going well. No one could possibly F this up. I’ll vote Republican and see what happens”.
And then we see what happens. We have to time the media battle just right to stave off the inevitable complacency.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:36 pmGlenn is showing he’s a total Passion for the Christ fan. He’s playing Jesus getting beaten from the movie. He thinks we should all be Christians by this spiel.
No one died a more horrible death than Jesus…not according to Judas Beck.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:37 pmOT but interesting:
Only 53 percent of Americans now believe capitalism is the better system, according to a new poll Thursday.
Fully 20 percent in the Rasmussen Reports survey said that socialism was their preferred economic system — a startling number that suggests growing disaffection as the “land of the free” fights its worst recession in decades.
Republican critics fret that President Barack Obama’s big-spending recovery policies amount to an un-American “creeping socialism,” but Rasmussen said its findings pointed to suspicion of business and government elites alike.
It noted that in another survey last month, two out of three Americans said that big government and big business often collude to undermine the interests of consumers and investors.I think this was a relatively smll survey, but the error margin was 3%. It seems people are increasingly unhappy with capitalism and that should be no surprise.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:38 pmWe have to time the media battle just right to stave off the inevitable complacency.
More to the point, we need media that doesn’t serve a party or a corporation or a person. PBS does this pretty well, which is why the neocon’s want to destroy it.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:39 pmWayne Ant Schneider Says:
Jon Stewart was absolutely right to go on Crossfire and tell them “Stop hurting America.” And it worked. Crossfire was canceled about a week later, but it wasn’t the only program that should have been canned. You can’t just have someone from the left shouting at someone from the right, and then going to a commercial with no one the wiser for it.
Please tell me this is how Morning Joe will be canned.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:39 pmPlease tell me this is how Morning Joe will be canned.
Please tell me this is how Morning Joe will be canned.
Please tell me this is how Morning Joe will be canned.
Dr. Moth Matt Says:
That’s all reich-wingers can do now is whine, “I was taken out of context!!! waaaaahhhhhhhh”
Of course. When your hypocrisy is exposed, you have to deny your words. The leader of the national communist party called Beck to the floor that he made enough money to not be a common man on the TV show.
That was good stuff.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:41 pm“Please tell me this is how Morning Joe will be canned.”
Ooh! There’s no way Jon was invited on there, was he? What did I miss?
April 9th, 2009 at 5:43 pmThat’s why I stopped watching C-Span long ago.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:43 pmOK we got it, give it a rest.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:44 pmGood for Mary from Florida!!
We need people like her to call C-Span out on this every day!!
I, too, am fed up with the repugs who monopolize the guest list — and callers of the same mind who monopolize the calls. They often claim to be former Democrats, or independents, but when they speak, you can hear the same talking points from them. I think they are plants from the Repug party.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:45 pmC-Span is (in my mind) supposed to be non-partisan, for the people, and bringing information to the masses; instead, they are a conservative talk machine.
Dr. Laura is now on. She talks that people can be “evil” and it’s a choice…not to be confused with any mental illness. She says Glenn left that out in his monologue praising faith.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:45 pmHarry Waisbren,
April 9th, 2009 at 5:48 pmI don’t know why Kagen has emerged from his cave this week, but he has been making the rounds. He needs to be in permanent exile from television.
Glenn and his guest are now talking about torture being a gray area.
Yeah…this segment is total horsesh*t. Glenn is trying to swing to both sides via the Jack Bauer nuke-to-torture argument.
Glenn has had his last three guests on for a total of about 8 minutes. Can anyone say narcissism?
April 9th, 2009 at 5:54 pmi’m hoping he dies soon
We don’t. We just want to see him join the millions of other people who are out of a job right now.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:55 pmFNBOYCOTT Says:
im not spamming, im just trying to get people involved in my foxnewsboycott!! why are you guys watching beck right now??? i hate beck but you’re commenting on him!
im hoping he dies soon
When you ask for donations, you’re spamming. If people go to the site and want to give, that’s one thing. You shouldn’t solicit on here and then try to deny spamming.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:56 pmlivelongandprosper Says:
Ummm, have you been watching PBS lately? Their gov’t funding has been slashed so they have lots of corporate sponsorship lately and therefore are not as independent as I’d like.
Pete had a good link about a Frontline health care industry program where PBS changed the content a bit because their sponsors didn’t like the journalist’s conclusion that we should have non-profit health care insurance.
Still, can’t beat their News Hour for content.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:57 pmCrymeariver
“It strives for neutrality and a lack of bias in its public affairs programming.”
That statement does not in any way answer the caller’s questions, which is why do they keep with the excesive neo-con opinion? They strive for a lack of bias and fail epically, but you claim that SAYING they strive for bias answers the question as to why it’s strangely absent?
Wow. You’re an idiot, and you seem proud of that fact. That’s pathetic.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:57 pmLast night I tried an experiment. I flipped channels between Rachel and Billo. Billo seems to have a lot more commercials.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:57 pmcorrection:
“SAYING they strive for lack of bias”
My bad.
April 9th, 2009 at 5:58 pmCrymeariver Says:
OMG, talk about a NON-STORY. Why is it you bed wetting lefties think that callers into a news program or radio show is news LOL. WoW. And to answer the callers question one only needs to go to the sourse…CSPAN itself, read and learn children:
Brian Lamb, C-SPAN’s chairman and CEO, conceived of C-SPAN while working at Cablevision, a cable industry trade magazine, as their Washington D.C. bureau chief. C-SPAN was created as a cable-industry financed, non-profit network for televising sessions of the U.S. Congress and other public affairs event and policy discussions. Bob Rosencrans, a cable industry pioneer, was alone in providing the initial seed funding of $25,000 to start up C-SPAN.[1] It receives no funding from any government source, has no contract with the government, and does not sell sponsorships or advertising. It strives for neutrality and a lack of bias in its public affairs programming.
That is why. Stop using clueless anomyous callers as news, you just look foolish.
OH. MY. GOD! Crymeariver? You have GOT to be kidding me! LMAO!
You come to Think Progress, read what you call a “NON-STORY”, log in, and then take the time to comment and complain about said “NON-STORY”? In addition to proclaiming the “NON-STORY” to be a “NON-STORY”, you search Wikipedia for C-SPAN and copy and paste word for word the history of C-Span which has nothing whatsoever to do with the “NON-STORY”? LMAO!
Seriously… Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-SPAN Crymeariver merely copied and pasted the history of C-SPAN per Wikipedia.
But WAIT! It gets even better!
If you continue to “read and learn, children”, you will see that Crymeariver’s source (Wikipedia) also mentions under the heading Allegations of bias and other controversies that despite C-SPAN stating that they have a commitment to providing politically balanced programming, a study was released showing that Republicans were favored as guests over Democrats by a two-to-one margin during a six-month period and that people of color are underrepresented.
And Crymeariver has the audacity to say WE look foolish? LMAO!
April 9th, 2009 at 6:00 pmBeck is going off about science and global warming…or the failure of global cooling now.
Yeah, it’s like watching the Dodo’s last flight.
Glenn then brings on a staffer who is about to get married and gives her a Billo “Spin Stops Here” banner.
April 9th, 2009 at 6:00 pmMarie Says:
I think this was a relatively smll survey, but the error margin was 3%.
Marie, the “margin of error” in a poll is not how far up or down you can move the numbers, but a probability that the sample chosen is not representative of the population group itself. If a poll suggested that 60% of the country feels one way and 40% feels the opposite, having a 3% “margin of error” does not mean that the results might be 57-43 or 63-37. It means that there is a 3% chance that the people chosen for that poll do not represent the feelings of the population as a whole.
What they don’t tell you is how informed the people being polled are. That is the major flaw in all political polling.
April 9th, 2009 at 6:01 pmHey Crymeariver, are you learning something yet. you have to learn to improve. you have to change your behavior to improve. are you changing yet?
April 9th, 2009 at 6:04 pmHoodathunktick Says:
Last night I tried an experiment. I flipped channels between Rachel and Billo. Billo seems to have a lot more commercials.
Did Hooters or Girls Gone Wild buy any or the open UPS spots?
April 9th, 2009 at 6:04 pmI will try to remember that, Wayne — that’s good to know.
April 9th, 2009 at 6:05 pmMarie,
It only takes about 900 people in their poll to claim a “margin of error” of 3%. And they have to call about six or seven thousand people to get those 900 responses. That alone should indicate how little the results match reality.
April 9th, 2009 at 6:10 pmFirst the republican party missed it’s chance to reform itself.
Now the republican party has missed it’s chance to exit with dignity.
If the republican party wants to become a permanent stain on the nations’ history all i can say is keep it up.
April 9th, 2009 at 6:18 pmStill, can’t beat their News Hour for content.
I’d have to disagree. Lehrer gives uncritical interviews with his rightwing guests, and often isn’t really prepared to talk about the political/economic subjects he covers.
April 9th, 2009 at 6:37 pmLet’s face the facts libs…
Conservative= ratings
We like watching and listening to the wing nuts because we secretly have some (but not all) of the fears that they have, and we’re waiting for the next crazy thing to come out of their mouths…
Now only if the MSM was brave enough to unleash REAL liberals like Bill Moyers, Amy Goodman,Paul Krugman etc. Maybe Real liberals would be interesting to watch too.
April 9th, 2009 at 6:46 pmBarfly, yeah, the do tend to let some stuff slide.
(OT, I have trouble with your name, I keep wanting to read it as barf-ly. Sorry.)
April 9th, 2009 at 6:57 pmANGRY? DISGUSTED? DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT…………..
viewer@c-span.org, journal@c-span.org
April 9th, 2009 at 6:58 pmLiberal Kelly Says:
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Crymeariver Says:
OMG, talk about a NON-STORY. Why is it you bed wetting lefties think that callers into a news program or radio show is news LOL. WoW. And to answer the callers question one only needs to go to the sourse…CSPAN itself, read and learn children:
Brian Lamb, C-SPAN’s chairman and CEO, conceived of C-SPAN while working at Cablevision, a cable industry trade magazine, as their Washington D.C. bureau chief. C-SPAN was created as a cable-industry financed, non-profit network for televising sessions of the U.S. Congress and other public affairs event and policy discussions. Bob Rosencrans, a cable industry pioneer, was alone in providing the initial seed funding of $25,000 to start up C-SPAN.[1] It receives no funding from any government source, has no contract with the government, and does not sell sponsorships or advertising. It strives for neutrality and a lack of bias in its public affairs programming.
That is why. Stop using clueless anomyous callers as news, you just look foolish.
OH. MY. GOD! Crymeariver? You have GOT to be kidding me! LMAO!
You come to Think Progress, read what you call a “NON-STORY”, log in, and then take the time to comment and complain about said “NON-STORY”? In addition to proclaiming the “NON-STORY” to be a “NON-STORY”, you search Wikipedia for C-SPAN and copy and paste word for word the history of C-Span which has nothing whatsoever to do with the “NON-STORY”? LMAO!
Seriously… Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C-SPAN Crymeariver merely copied and pasted the history of C-SPAN per Wikipedia.
But WAIT! It gets even better!
If you continue to “read and learn, children”, you will see that Crymeariver’s source (Wikipedia) also mentions under the heading Allegations of bias and other controversies that despite C-SPAN stating that they have a commitment to providing politically balanced programming, a study was released showing that Republicans were favored as guests over Democrats by a two-to-one margin during a six-month period and that people of color are underrepresented.
And Crymeariver has the audacity to say WE look foolish? LMAO!
/sigh Kelly Kelly Kelly! First and foremost, calm down. I know you think you have solved a great mystery that has plagued humankind since the beginning of humankind but I am afraid I am going to have to burst a bubble here. I am guily of thinking I was talking to a college level audience and for that I do take blame. A couple of points here. If you notice my use of Italic in my post…that is to indicate to the reader that I am in fact taking this from another and it is not my own words. I kinda thought that was a given but apparently not. Second and MOST IMPORTANT (I need you to focus here Kelly), do you notice the footnote there…that little (1) after C-SPAN? You see that (1) represents an article in which the CEO and founder of C-SPAN was interviewed. Let me break it down a bit further for you Kelly, you see, that is where those facts and vision came from…the source…the CEO…the founder of C-SPAN.
Please continue with your littel reindeer games.
April 9th, 2009 at 7:14 pmthis clown got his ass handed to him by a 70 year old retiree and couldn’t even stand up to her. what makes anyone think this clown knows squat about anything?
April 9th, 2009 at 7:28 pmCrymeariver sez “Please continue with your littel reindeer games.”
Did you mean littoral reindeer? You know, the ones with the webbed hooves?
April 9th, 2009 at 7:30 pmBozo The Neocootiebug Says:
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this clown got his ass handed to him by a 70 year old retiree and couldn’t even stand up to her. what makes anyone think this clown knows squat about anything?
LOL, this coming from Bozo
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noseeum Says:
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Crymeariver sez “Please continue with your littel reindeer games.”
Did you mean littoral reindeer? You know, the ones with the webbed hooves?
I have noticed that pretty much everyone here is adult enough to avoid commenting on the typo’s but not you. What a child, and I am sure you have NEVER made a mistake…LOL
April 9th, 2009 at 7:39 pmATHEIST Says:
Let’s face the facts libs…
Conservative= ratings
Everyone is waiting for Glenn Beck to go all Jimmy Swaggart on air.
Then we’ll have our tea and biscuits and laugh a good laugh.
April 9th, 2009 at 7:40 pmCrymeariver Says: “and I am sure you have NEVER made a mistake…LOL”
Nevar.
April 9th, 2009 at 7:49 pmCrymeariver Says:
Please continue with your littel reindeer games
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While YOU can continue being an ignorant brainwashed troll because I LOVE to laugh at people as stupid as you.
April 9th, 2009 at 8:08 pmcrymeariver’ rant illustrates completely the bankruptcy of any ideas of wingnuts’ or thought processes of republicans’ (and his). He or whatever it is completely misses the point even when he tries to point out the crap about neutrality. The caller into C-SPAN questioned the lack of neutrality. In fact, what de facto seems to exist contradicts the mission statement and I would question whether or not the 501(c)(3) status of C-SPAN should not be yanked by an Obama FTC and IRS.
crymeariver, KEEP ON ranting. You are very useful as an illustration of irrelevance.
April 9th, 2009 at 8:16 pmI would like you to tell me why we are still using this car dealer who has failed America.
Yep, it’s kinda like that. How does the saying go, again?
“Insanity is repeating the same behavior and expecting different results”
Well, that’s the neo-con crowd and their followers for you: Armed, crazy, and dangerous.
April 9th, 2009 at 9:15 pmJournalist Philip Weiss on the Neoconservative agenda:
“In terms of their politics, they were almost all Democrats and then as soon as the Democratic party suggested that it wasn’t going to have a strong military, Norman Podhoretz and Irving Kristol, the grandfathers of this movement, they went Republican. Why? Because they said, back in the 70’s, a strong American military is needed to protect Israel.”
Download an mp3 of Phil saying the above here (9:45 minutes in)
Antiwar.com/Radio – 07/12/2008
Antiwar.com/Radio – 03/18/2009
Watch the BBC documentary “The War Party”, part 1 of 5
philipweiss.org
April 9th, 2009 at 9:22 pmCrymeariver Says:
/sigh Kelly Kelly Kelly! First and foremost, calm down. I know you think you have solved a great mystery that has plagued humankind since the beginning of humankind but I am afraid I am going to have to burst a bubble here. I am guily of thinking I was talking to a college level audience and for that I do take blame. A couple of points here. If you notice my use of Italic in my post…that is to indicate to the reader that I am in fact taking this from another and it is not my own words. I kinda thought that was a given but apparently not. Second and MOST IMPORTANT (I need you to focus here Kelly), do you notice the footnote there…that little (1) after C-SPAN? You see that (1) represents an article in which the CEO and founder of C-SPAN was interviewed. Let me break it down a bit further for you Kelly, you see, that is where those facts and vision came from…the source…the CEO…the founder of C-SPAN.
Please continue with your littel reindeer games.
Woah Nellie! I think you just scolded me like a five year old or sumpin’! Did you just scold me? Did I hit a nerve? I don’t really get your last comment. I totally get that it was a lame attempt at being condescending, but you still ain’t making a lick of sense. I was pointing out the fact that you left out facts. You are all quoting Wiki with “Blah blah blah C-SPAN was created blah blah blah not government funded blah blah blah It strives for neutrality and a lack of bias in its public affairs programming blah blah. Blah.”
I was trying to point out that you failed to provide all the information (or link thereto) and the other blah blah blahs in your “read and learn” recommendation. Following your instructions, I read and I learnt. Maybe YOU should have kept reading seeing as how you are “guily” of thinking you were talking to a college level audience and whatever.
Aaaaaaaaaaaalso….. Your source that you are so damn proud of in no way whatsoever answered the caller’s question!
So there.
Face it, babe. You’re just all up in TP trying to act all shmart and stuff. It ain’t working, daaaaaahling!
April 9th, 2009 at 9:49 pmEugene atrax robustus Debs Says:
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Crymeariver Says:
Please continue with your littel reindeer games
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While YOU can continue being an ignorant brainwashed troll because I LOVE to laugh at people as stupid as you.
Good one.
April 9th, 2009 at 10:03 pmLiberal Kelly Says:
Woah Nellie! I think you just scolded me like a five year old or sumpin’! Did you just scold me? Did I hit a nerve? I don’t really get your last comment. I totally get that it was a lame attempt at being condescending, but you still ain’t making a lick of sense. I was pointing out the fact that you left out facts. You are all quoting Wiki with “Blah blah blah C-SPAN was created blah blah blah not government funded blah blah blah It strives for neutrality and a lack of bias in its public affairs programming blah blah. Blah.”
I was trying to point out that you failed to provide all the information (or link thereto) and the other blah blah blahs in your “read and learn” recommendation. Following your instructions, I read and I learnt. Maybe YOU should have kept reading seeing as how you are “guily” of thinking you were talking to a college level audience and whatever.
Aaaaaaaaaaaalso….. Your source that you are so damn proud of in no way whatsoever answered the caller’s question!
So there.
Face it, babe. You’re just all up in TP trying to act all shmart and stuff. It ain’t working, daaaaaahling!
Well that was quite a retort Kelly, very witty. But I think I will point out that this was a “post” and not a thesis for a PhD. What “facts” did I get wrong? Nevermind, I know where it leads for me to ask a question. Great use of “blah blah” btw.
April 9th, 2009 at 10:09 pmCrymeariver Says:
Well that was quite a retort Kelly, very witty. But I think I will point out that this was a “post” and not a thesis for a PhD. What “facts” did I get wrong? Nevermind, I know where it leads for me to ask a question. Great use of “blah blah” btw.
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For the love of all things holy….
I said you LEFT OUT FACTS! I have been trying to point that out to you since you first submitted your original comment. What in the hell do you not understand? I try to explain myself intelligently and you don’t get it. I try to explain myself like a f**king retard and you don’t get it.
I’m not responding to you anymore. You have yet to say a single thing on this subject that is anywhere close to being relevant.
April 9th, 2009 at 10:50 pm.
Everyone has their price…
… So the question begs to be asked:
Does C-SPAN accept money to put these NeoCONs on air…
… Or is C-SPAN just the host for their messages?
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April 10th, 2009 at 1:09 amMaybe a better question to ask is why does the FCC sit back and let the First Amendment be stretched to the limit by a loon like Glenn Beck when his words could very well be inspiring violence?
April 10th, 2009 at 1:40 amYo -FCC! Ya- i’m lookin’ at you… Is inspiring violence over the TV waves a lesser offence than dis-robing or cursing over the TV waves?
April 10th, 2009 at 2:46 amI want to say THANK YOU, to the caller in this clip.
It points out that after a landslide election for a Democratic party president a thumping in congress. Much of the media and the ” party of Hell NO ” still arrogantly believe they are the majority and the ruling faction. Their enabling corporations and funders think they just have to continue repeating the same opposition over and over until the masses believe it and hate that which is their best interest and America’s.
Thank you Maam…@
April 10th, 2009 at 3:08 amThank you Mary.
I got so frustrated last week when c-span had bill kristol on for the millionth time in the last year, I fired off an e-mail and told them off. Told them they were NOT non-partisan.
ANYONE sure that AEI does not own c-span? The neocons from AEI seem to have a permanent spot on the show.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:39 amWhat a moronic question.
The neocons may be full of terrible ideas, but at least they can talk knowledgeably about foreign policy. They can find the right countries on the map and have some idea who the bad guys are.
That puts them miles ahead of the typical tranzi surrender monkey of the left.
Dave
April 10th, 2009 at 11:26 amYeah dave that’s why the guy didn’t answer the questions.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:33 pmAll during the Clinton years, GOP and right wing scum out numbered Dems and Clinton supporters 2 to 1 on a good day. MMfA has proven that. Brian Lamb got his undies in a twist when confronted with that. His response finally was that well, the GOP has the majorities in Congress, so C-Span had to carry them. When Moron came in in 2000, once again, CSPN catered to the GOP and the Right Wing crazies and justified it because they were in power. Now, they continue to slant to the Right but this time justify it because the GOP is the Minority! You want to see Brian Lamb squirm, confront him with the stats. He’ll short-circuit in a nanosecond trying to claim that he’s always been fair and balanced. What a crock! CSPAN is one of the worst offenders out there. I’ve witnessed times when the moderator has allowed a Right Wing caller to just go on and on with the most offensive drivel and then cut off a liberal in less than 15 seconds.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pmC-SPAN, like NPR and the rest of the corporate media, was not established to provide appropriate political discourse, they are in existence to serve their corporate masters. Since the financial power of the workers of this, or any other nation, is minute in comparison to that of the relatively few “owners” of the country, their views always prevail. It’s up to us, those of the free-thinking persuasion, to educate our fellow workers and explain to them the tactics and the brain-washing that is the stock of the minions acting to undermine democracy. Up and down the airwaves there are the totalitarian voices from the right echoing the agreed upon talking points their leader provide them daily. I give credit to the majority of my fellow citizens for seeing through the propaganda, but the awakening has been slow and that slowness has proven to be near fatal. We’re at a turning point and if the Obama administration continue to act as if they owe the Repug criminals something, then I’ll be convinced that we’re doomed.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm@121 Dave Nalle Says:
I’m afraid that’s wishful thinking. the Republicans are not what they once were. They have completely transformed.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pmC-Span has gotton terrible. I used to like book tv – but nine out of ten of the books are by these right wing idiots. I’ll turn in out, then change channels.
April 10th, 2009 at 9:25 pmDave Nalle Says:
No you astonishingly ignorant punks with your zeal to get as many Americans killed as you possibly can have SHOWN just how consistantly stupid you are. You and your neocon heroes both. You dont CARE about accuracy you just want Americans to DIE its always party time at your house as long as Americans are DYING. Nothing you love more then to see dead Americans. Well the rest of the country has had enough of your sick twisted stupidity but the TV still puts the neocons that share your bloodlusting stupidity on as IF they were the experts. So a few more Americans died today in Iraq isnt it time for you to throw a big party celebrating your love of seeing Amerians DIE?
April 10th, 2009 at 10:15 pm