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	<title>Comments on: Spontaneous Uprising? Corporate Lobbyists Helping To Orchestrate Radical Anti-Obama Tea Party Protests</title>
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		<title>By: forxy</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/09/lobbyists-planning-teaparties/comment-page-4/#comment-5605322</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 16:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: John VS</title>
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		<dc:creator>John VS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Apr 2009 05:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The astroturfing charge is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.verumserum.com/?p=4717&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bunk&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The astroturfing charge is <a href="http://www.verumserum.com/?p=4717" rel="nofollow">bunk</a>.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5604959', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: microsrfr</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/09/lobbyists-planning-teaparties/comment-page-4/#comment-5603771</link>
		<dc:creator>microsrfr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Apr 2009 02:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only did Charles Koch senior make his initial money from design and installation of refineries in Russia in the 30&#039;s, but he was at one time in the 60&#039;s on  the board of MIT and the John Birch Society at the same time.  

They succeeded in not only getting books eliminated from the Wichita KS (home of Koch Industries) school system but even a couple of teachers removed.

The beat goes on with Charles Jr., listed by Forbes as one of the 5 richest people in the US. With tens of billions of sales each year in oil, they will surely pull out every stop to block green industries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only did Charles Koch senior make his initial money from design and installation of refineries in Russia in the 30&#8217;s, but he was at one time in the 60&#8217;s on  the board of MIT and the John Birch Society at the same time.  </p>
<p>They succeeded in not only getting books eliminated from the Wichita KS (home of Koch Industries) school system but even a couple of teachers removed.</p>
<p>The beat goes on with Charles Jr., listed by Forbes as one of the 5 richest people in the US. With tens of billions of sales each year in oil, they will surely pull out every stop to block green industries.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5603771', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: bern1980</title>
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		<dc:creator>bern1980</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 03:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why didnt, YOU THE FOOLS, protest when it was necessary! The nerve of these people who have no integrity, nor do they have respect for our government and its consisted effort in fixing this mess that our former bonehead president and his teabagging cohorts got us in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why didnt, YOU THE FOOLS, protest when it was necessary! The nerve of these people who have no integrity, nor do they have respect for our government and its consisted effort in fixing this mess that our former bonehead president and his teabagging cohorts got us in!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5602322', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Baloney</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/09/lobbyists-planning-teaparties/comment-page-4/#comment-5601708</link>
		<dc:creator>Baloney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the illegal aliens had been demonstrating yesterday would Nancy Peelosi have dismissed them like she disgracefully did to WE THE PEOPLE. Would she have asked them who sponsored their demonstration --LAAA RAAAAAAAZZZA.  She&#039;d be slobbering all over them.  It is a sad day in American when this loon speaker of the house treats american citizens in this matter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the illegal aliens had been demonstrating yesterday would Nancy Peelosi have dismissed them like she disgracefully did to WE THE PEOPLE. Would she have asked them who sponsored their demonstration &#8211;LAAA RAAAAAAAZZZA.  She&#8217;d be slobbering all over them.  It is a sad day in American when this loon speaker of the house treats american citizens in this matter.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5601708', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Melospiza30</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melospiza30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 15:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>watchdog Says:

The participators of the original Boston tea party in 1773 did so because they felt the Tea Act violated their constitutional right to be taxed only by their own elected representatives.

And also during this time the phrase was coined “No taxation without representation”.

So, calling this a tea party is extremely relevant to the current government power intoxication.

They&#039;re intoxicated.....that explains some things</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>watchdog Says:</p>
<p>The participators of the original Boston tea party in 1773 did so because they felt the Tea Act violated their constitutional right to be taxed only by their own elected representatives.</p>
<p>And also during this time the phrase was coined “No taxation without representation”.</p>
<p>So, calling this a tea party is extremely relevant to the current government power intoxication.</p>
<p>They&#8217;re intoxicated&#8230;..that explains some things<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5600956', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: letjusticerolldown</title>
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		<dc:creator>letjusticerolldown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just listened to ThinkProgress comments on Cspan. For me the problem with your argument is your smooth dismissal of those you disagree with. The argument does not go to the party who most effectively demonizes or dismisses the opponent. It goes to the party who most effectively hears and embraces the legitimate issues of the opposition and provides more compelling answers.

When either the Tea Parties or you fail to do that, what becomes evident is a greater interest in winning a fight than in advancing strategy that effectively addresses legitimate issues and goals. Why not have confidence your proactive stance can legitimately address the legitimate issues of those you oppose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just listened to ThinkProgress comments on Cspan. For me the problem with your argument is your smooth dismissal of those you disagree with. The argument does not go to the party who most effectively demonizes or dismisses the opponent. It goes to the party who most effectively hears and embraces the legitimate issues of the opposition and provides more compelling answers.</p>
<p>When either the Tea Parties or you fail to do that, what becomes evident is a greater interest in winning a fight than in advancing strategy that effectively addresses legitimate issues and goals. Why not have confidence your proactive stance can legitimately address the legitimate issues of those you oppose?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5598800', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: SerkaN</title>
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		<dc:creator>SerkaN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: SerkaN</title>
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		<dc:creator>SerkaN</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 08:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: BgBalla</title>
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		<dc:creator>BgBalla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 21:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow..
This is a joke website.. right?

To have so much liberal folly in one place is amazing...

I am laughing my butt off with some of these half-baked comments.

This is great.. keep it up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow..<br />
This is a joke website.. right?</p>
<p>To have so much liberal folly in one place is amazing&#8230;</p>
<p>I am laughing my butt off with some of these half-baked comments.</p>
<p>This is great.. keep it up!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5597441', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: turkeyfish</title>
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		<dc:creator>turkeyfish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Time to attend the parties and demand that Ruppert Murdoch pay his taxes instead of finding imaginitive ways to fund republicans to help him avoid his taxes!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Time to attend the parties and demand that Ruppert Murdoch pay his taxes instead of finding imaginitive ways to fund republicans to help him avoid his taxes!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5597205', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Natch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Natch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone know what the #Teaparty is about other than corporate/GOP greed?  I&#039;ve &lt;a href=&quot;http://natchgreyes.blogspot.com/2009/04/teaparty.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;posted an article about it&lt;/a&gt; but I honestly cannot tell you what they&#039;re about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone know what the #Teaparty is about other than corporate/GOP greed?  I&#8217;ve <a href="http://natchgreyes.blogspot.com/2009/04/teaparty.html" rel="nofollow">posted an article about it</a> but I honestly cannot tell you what they&#8217;re about.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5596683', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ukeman123</title>
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		<dc:creator>ukeman123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>witness the (possibly) above concerns about &quot;fixing&quot; the economy... really?
At the teabagging with Fox&#039;s friends?
Find another venue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>witness the (possibly) above concerns about &#8220;fixing&#8221; the economy&#8230; really?<br />
At the teabagging with Fox&#8217;s friends?<br />
Find another venue.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5596019', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: KCThinker</title>
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		<dc:creator>KCThinker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 06:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>miller123:

I am right there with you. I did not like the Patriot Act. I thought Iraq was a foolish gamble. I was against the Bush tax cuts. I have long been against spending recklessly. I have complained often about our fiscal irresponsibility. I urged my representatives to vote against stimulus after stimulus and the bail out plan.

We cannot spend our way out of this recession. It has never worked and will not work now. Just like tax cuts do not stimulate an economy, pumping trillions of fake dollars into the economy will not help and it will have serious long-term consequences to the value of the dollar (but Americans are not able to look beyond their weekly TV guides anyway so why should they care). Although things appear to be looking brighter now (I would not trust the stock market to gauge the health of an economy), I do not see a light at the end of the tunnel and I would certainly not credit anyone in our government with getting us out of this mess; especially when they are the reason we are in this mess to begin with (of course along with every American that spent more than they made and bought houses and cars and boats and other crap they could not afford). Next bubble - government spending bubble.

I intend to go to the Tea Party in Kansas City. I am against spending more than we can afford. I am against an $11 trillion and rising national debt. I am against a budget deficit. I am for decreasing the defense budget by 25%, closing all foreign bases, and securing our borders. I am for a 10% across the board slashing of the remaining federal budget. I am for term limits in Congress. I am for a balanced budget amendment. I am for serious campaign finance reform. I am for a comprehensive solution to our current sick care system - we could save a lot of money by taking the friction out of health care. I am for securing social security. I am for smaller federal government. 

We need to address the unsustainability of our federal government now and not push this problem on our children. If we do not address this our children (maybe even us) will have very high federal taxes (&gt;50% at all income levels) and all the government will be able to afford will be Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, and interest on debt. Nothing else. Have you seen I.O.U.S.A.? If you have not, you should.

My worst fear is that the social conservatives trot out at the tea party and make this about abortion, gay marriage, and stem cell research. This is not the time for those inconsequential issues. This is the time to demand real change that will secure the country for future generations. 

Every generation should leave the world better than they found it for the next generation. Well, the baby boomers have failed by all accounts and will be leaving us a huge, sloppy mess.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miller123:</p>
<p>I am right there with you. I did not like the Patriot Act. I thought Iraq was a foolish gamble. I was against the Bush tax cuts. I have long been against spending recklessly. I have complained often about our fiscal irresponsibility. I urged my representatives to vote against stimulus after stimulus and the bail out plan.</p>
<p>We cannot spend our way out of this recession. It has never worked and will not work now. Just like tax cuts do not stimulate an economy, pumping trillions of fake dollars into the economy will not help and it will have serious long-term consequences to the value of the dollar (but Americans are not able to look beyond their weekly TV guides anyway so why should they care). Although things appear to be looking brighter now (I would not trust the stock market to gauge the health of an economy), I do not see a light at the end of the tunnel and I would certainly not credit anyone in our government with getting us out of this mess; especially when they are the reason we are in this mess to begin with (of course along with every American that spent more than they made and bought houses and cars and boats and other crap they could not afford). Next bubble &#8211; government spending bubble.</p>
<p>I intend to go to the Tea Party in Kansas City. I am against spending more than we can afford. I am against an $11 trillion and rising national debt. I am against a budget deficit. I am for decreasing the defense budget by 25%, closing all foreign bases, and securing our borders. I am for a 10% across the board slashing of the remaining federal budget. I am for term limits in Congress. I am for a balanced budget amendment. I am for serious campaign finance reform. I am for a comprehensive solution to our current sick care system &#8211; we could save a lot of money by taking the friction out of health care. I am for securing social security. I am for smaller federal government. </p>
<p>We need to address the unsustainability of our federal government now and not push this problem on our children. If we do not address this our children (maybe even us) will have very high federal taxes (&gt;50% at all income levels) and all the government will be able to afford will be Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, and interest on debt. Nothing else. Have you seen I.O.U.S.A.? If you have not, you should.</p>
<p>My worst fear is that the social conservatives trot out at the tea party and make this about abortion, gay marriage, and stem cell research. This is not the time for those inconsequential issues. This is the time to demand real change that will secure the country for future generations. </p>
<p>Every generation should leave the world better than they found it for the next generation. Well, the baby boomers have failed by all accounts and will be leaving us a huge, sloppy mess.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5596008', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: miller123</title>
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		<dc:creator>miller123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 19:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>colinjames   I want to note that I am not going to the tea party to protest taxes.  Unfortunately with our current situation, lower taxes would be difficult, especially without substantial cuts in spending which is not going to happen, in fact spending has increased.  Myself and a large group are actually going to encourage support for a house bill that would require the Federal Reserve be audited and make known who its funds are going to and how much money these groups have received.  (Something that they currently do not have to disclose.)  Start with something small and doable. Accountability in government is SO important!

Also just a “what if”:  What if the government worked like a home economist.  They spent less than they took in and put away the extra money (especially during the good times) in an emergency fund that would cover one year of services in case of hard times.  Then instead of borrowing money and paying interest on debt, they could use their emergency money to take care of temporary short falls.  If short falls are longer term, then they have to cut back on their spending to bring their budge into balance.  Not increase taxes at the worst possible time.

Now let&#039;s really dream and say that after the emergency fund is in place, government continues to put surpluses into a savings account. So now not only would the government not have to pay interest on debt, but it would also have interest payments and dividends PAID TO IT, and would therefore have more funds available to add additional services, do public infrastructure projects etc. So in essence become &quot;independently wealthy&quot; so that some or eventually all of the spending could be covered by interest from its investments.  They are often referred to as &quot;Sovereign Funds&quot;.  Countries like China do this and have almost two trillion in savings, I believe. Then you could either cut taxes to allow more of the citizens to keep their money and spend it in the marketplace, thereby boosting the economy, or you can keep the taxes steady and keep building up your savings.  Eventually you could in theory have a large enough nest egg to pay for things like health care, college education and other social programs without raising taxes. 

Of course you would NEVER want to dip into the principle investment, so you would have to make sure they stick to their budget and exercise fiscal discipline and not raid the savings funds. (Like what was done to social security!) Remember that is what the emergency fund is for.  

Is this so crazy?  It would take a lot of sacrifice on our part NOW, but the payoff would be a better country for future generations.  Are we willing to sacrifice for our children&#039;s future?  Of course we are in deep right now, so we have to stop the bleeding first. I wish we were working harder to cut spending, but that isn&#039;t popular right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>colinjames   I want to note that I am not going to the tea party to protest taxes.  Unfortunately with our current situation, lower taxes would be difficult, especially without substantial cuts in spending which is not going to happen, in fact spending has increased.  Myself and a large group are actually going to encourage support for a house bill that would require the Federal Reserve be audited and make known who its funds are going to and how much money these groups have received.  (Something that they currently do not have to disclose.)  Start with something small and doable. Accountability in government is SO important!</p>
<p>Also just a “what if”:  What if the government worked like a home economist.  They spent less than they took in and put away the extra money (especially during the good times) in an emergency fund that would cover one year of services in case of hard times.  Then instead of borrowing money and paying interest on debt, they could use their emergency money to take care of temporary short falls.  If short falls are longer term, then they have to cut back on their spending to bring their budge into balance.  Not increase taxes at the worst possible time.</p>
<p>Now let&#8217;s really dream and say that after the emergency fund is in place, government continues to put surpluses into a savings account. So now not only would the government not have to pay interest on debt, but it would also have interest payments and dividends PAID TO IT, and would therefore have more funds available to add additional services, do public infrastructure projects etc. So in essence become &#8220;independently wealthy&#8221; so that some or eventually all of the spending could be covered by interest from its investments.  They are often referred to as &#8220;Sovereign Funds&#8221;.  Countries like China do this and have almost two trillion in savings, I believe. Then you could either cut taxes to allow more of the citizens to keep their money and spend it in the marketplace, thereby boosting the economy, or you can keep the taxes steady and keep building up your savings.  Eventually you could in theory have a large enough nest egg to pay for things like health care, college education and other social programs without raising taxes. </p>
<p>Of course you would NEVER want to dip into the principle investment, so you would have to make sure they stick to their budget and exercise fiscal discipline and not raid the savings funds. (Like what was done to social security!) Remember that is what the emergency fund is for.  </p>
<p>Is this so crazy?  It would take a lot of sacrifice on our part NOW, but the payoff would be a better country for future generations.  Are we willing to sacrifice for our children&#8217;s future?  Of course we are in deep right now, so we have to stop the bleeding first. I wish we were working harder to cut spending, but that isn&#8217;t popular right now.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5595039', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Curtis L Walker</title>
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		<dc:creator>Curtis L Walker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 14:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly, this should be front page news in every news outlet in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly, this should be front page news in every news outlet in the US.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5594335', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: miller123</title>
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		<dc:creator>miller123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Apr 2009 06:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mosby12 what you are saying sounds like socialism to me.  Please understand that I am not name-calling. If you prescribe to Socialism, that is certainly your right as an American and doesn&#039;t make you evil! I just want you to understand that all those things you list (Health care, food, medicine, housing and transportation) can never be &quot;FREE&quot; because SOMEONE will have to pay for them.  I have a disabled child and we could get &quot;Free&quot; health care via a medical card from the state if we wanted to, but chose not to since we are able to acquire private insurance for him.  We pay the premiums and deductibles ourselves because WE are responsible for his care, not the government or others.  If we were in a destitute position, or course we would have no choice but to accept help, but just because it would be &quot;free&quot; for us to take the help now doesn’t make it right.  I would rather that money be used for people who really need it and not wasted on my family out of personal greed or the belief &quot;someone&quot; else will pay.  

I agree that we have greedy individuals, but we have so many generous people as well.  I can personally attest to American generosity.  My son goes to Shriner&#039;s Hospital for some of his treatments and it is 100% free to us because of the generous donations of thousands of American&#039;s, but the main reason we go there is because their treatments are hands down THE BEST in the nation!  (And yes I do work actively to repay my &quot;debt&quot; to them by working charity events whenever I can!)

Would you agree that &quot;Greed&quot; didn&#039;t start in the Bush administration and it won&#039;t go away now that he is gone? I wish it were that simple. Also how do we decide what &quot;greed&quot; is?  Who makes that decision? Remember government can also be a greedy and oppressive instrument, except that it can do so lawfully and backed by force.  You see with great power comes corruption, favoritism, and lucrative kickbacks.  (And yes it can get worse than it already is!) You loose control of your hard earned wealth and someone else decides what is &quot;best&quot; for you and society and how best your money should be spent.  When you lose your economic freedom, you cease to be free, as denying someone the fruits of their labor is the very definition of slavery. 

I have an acquaintance that emigrated here from Russia.  He grew up under the Soviet Union and told me of the utter failure of &quot;state control&quot;.  Those who had connections got what they wanted and the others got what was left.  He had never seen a Banana until he came to this country!  Sure his housing, health care, and food where “free”, but he was often hungry and lived in cramped and poor conditions.  And the hospitals often did not have supplies, so you had to purchase your own on the black market.  Does this sound like freedom to you? How about prosperity?  It didn’t matter how hard he worked, his lot in life would not improve, and it also wouldn’t get any worse if he slacked off.  I know this is an extreme example, but it really happened, and isn’t it conceivable that it could happen again?

Please understand that this is not a personal attack, rather an open debate.  I believe that if we all start talking we can find a solution that throws out the extremes of both sides and puts us on a path to common sense.

Sorry this is so long! It is good to talk to people of differing beliefs.  Keeps you mentally flexible!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mosby12 what you are saying sounds like socialism to me.  Please understand that I am not name-calling. If you prescribe to Socialism, that is certainly your right as an American and doesn&#8217;t make you evil! I just want you to understand that all those things you list (Health care, food, medicine, housing and transportation) can never be &#8220;FREE&#8221; because SOMEONE will have to pay for them.  I have a disabled child and we could get &#8220;Free&#8221; health care via a medical card from the state if we wanted to, but chose not to since we are able to acquire private insurance for him.  We pay the premiums and deductibles ourselves because WE are responsible for his care, not the government or others.  If we were in a destitute position, or course we would have no choice but to accept help, but just because it would be &#8220;free&#8221; for us to take the help now doesn’t make it right.  I would rather that money be used for people who really need it and not wasted on my family out of personal greed or the belief &#8220;someone&#8221; else will pay.  </p>
<p>I agree that we have greedy individuals, but we have so many generous people as well.  I can personally attest to American generosity.  My son goes to Shriner&#8217;s Hospital for some of his treatments and it is 100% free to us because of the generous donations of thousands of American&#8217;s, but the main reason we go there is because their treatments are hands down THE BEST in the nation!  (And yes I do work actively to repay my &#8220;debt&#8221; to them by working charity events whenever I can!)</p>
<p>Would you agree that &#8220;Greed&#8221; didn&#8217;t start in the Bush administration and it won&#8217;t go away now that he is gone? I wish it were that simple. Also how do we decide what &#8220;greed&#8221; is?  Who makes that decision? Remember government can also be a greedy and oppressive instrument, except that it can do so lawfully and backed by force.  You see with great power comes corruption, favoritism, and lucrative kickbacks.  (And yes it can get worse than it already is!) You loose control of your hard earned wealth and someone else decides what is &#8220;best&#8221; for you and society and how best your money should be spent.  When you lose your economic freedom, you cease to be free, as denying someone the fruits of their labor is the very definition of slavery. </p>
<p>I have an acquaintance that emigrated here from Russia.  He grew up under the Soviet Union and told me of the utter failure of &#8220;state control&#8221;.  Those who had connections got what they wanted and the others got what was left.  He had never seen a Banana until he came to this country!  Sure his housing, health care, and food where “free”, but he was often hungry and lived in cramped and poor conditions.  And the hospitals often did not have supplies, so you had to purchase your own on the black market.  Does this sound like freedom to you? How about prosperity?  It didn’t matter how hard he worked, his lot in life would not improve, and it also wouldn’t get any worse if he slacked off.  I know this is an extreme example, but it really happened, and isn’t it conceivable that it could happen again?</p>
<p>Please understand that this is not a personal attack, rather an open debate.  I believe that if we all start talking we can find a solution that throws out the extremes of both sides and puts us on a path to common sense.</p>
<p>Sorry this is so long! It is good to talk to people of differing beliefs.  Keeps you mentally flexible!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5594256', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: colinjames</title>
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		<dc:creator>colinjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 17:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>miller123-

Go if you want to go; just be aware that this &quot;protest&quot; tea-party thing isn&#039;t what it&#039;s advertised to be. In fact, it&#039;s just about the opposite- not a grassroots movement by ordinary americans to protest spending, but a corporate-sponsored farce to derail adminstration policies which may hurt corporate profits by limiting their ability to exploit workers, pollute the environment, and hide their money in the Cayman Islands. More than anything it&#039;s just a cynical attempt by the Right to cause Obama to fail at all costs, because on top of the GOP losing recent elections, they&#039;re hemorraghing membership, and thus campaign contributions. They have no solutions, no vision, and no ideas on how to get America out of the mess that THEY have largely created- with a bit of help from Democrats, but- it WAS their policies which have basically ruined us. 

The ONLY way to dig ourselves out of this whole as a country is for the Federal Govt. to spend massive amounts of money to kick-start the economy. Will it work? Time will tell. But to do nothing, or to cut spending and slash corporate taxes as the Republicans would have us do, would be disastrous. Do what you will, just please don&#039;t be fooled by reich-wing hypocrites.</description>
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<p>Go if you want to go; just be aware that this &#8220;protest&#8221; tea-party thing isn&#8217;t what it&#8217;s advertised to be. In fact, it&#8217;s just about the opposite- not a grassroots movement by ordinary americans to protest spending, but a corporate-sponsored farce to derail adminstration policies which may hurt corporate profits by limiting their ability to exploit workers, pollute the environment, and hide their money in the Cayman Islands. More than anything it&#8217;s just a cynical attempt by the Right to cause Obama to fail at all costs, because on top of the GOP losing recent elections, they&#8217;re hemorraghing membership, and thus campaign contributions. They have no solutions, no vision, and no ideas on how to get America out of the mess that THEY have largely created- with a bit of help from Democrats, but- it WAS their policies which have basically ruined us. </p>
<p>The ONLY way to dig ourselves out of this whole as a country is for the Federal Govt. to spend massive amounts of money to kick-start the economy. Will it work? Time will tell. But to do nothing, or to cut spending and slash corporate taxes as the Republicans would have us do, would be disastrous. Do what you will, just please don&#8217;t be fooled by reich-wing hypocrites.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5593682', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: mosby12</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/09/lobbyists-planning-teaparties/comment-page-4/#comment-5593316</link>
		<dc:creator>mosby12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 09:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The truth is that we will need much greater tax increases and social programs to undo the greed of the Bush administration. We need to punish the greedy, help the homeless, the children and the inner city. Corporations are destroying America.  Health care, food, medicine, housing and transportation should all be FREE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The truth is that we will need much greater tax increases and social programs to undo the greed of the Bush administration. We need to punish the greedy, help the homeless, the children and the inner city. Corporations are destroying America.  Health care, food, medicine, housing and transportation should all be FREE.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5593316', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: miller123</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/09/lobbyists-planning-teaparties/comment-page-4/#comment-5593310</link>
		<dc:creator>miller123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am the mother of 3 and my husband and I are doing pretty good with a combined income of 50,000 a year.  So we aren’t super rich, but we aren’t poor either. I am not a Republican or Democrat.  I wish we could please stop this “left” vs. “right”, Dems vs. Republicans and vise versa war.  I try to look at raw facts when forming my opinions.  That having been said, I am going to my local tea party.  My first ever protest.  I am not doing this because Fox news, any talking head told me to.  The problems our nation face did not start with George Bush or Barack Obama.  The trajectory began almost 100 years ago and has slowly been building. I should have been out protesting earlier, but I believed that surely our leaders would come to their senses on both sides of the isle and start reigning in spending.  We have a huge unfunded commitment to Social Security and we stole from it to continue spending and to delay the inevitable pain.  Blame can be laid at many people’s feet, but ultimately we must lay it at our own for failing to act. I blame myself for being silent too long. I was appalled by the Patriot Act and the assault to our liberties it represents, but I just complained!  I was frustrated over increases in spending and the Iraqi war under Bush, but again I just complained! Then came the bailout and TARP fiasco and I became alarmed and I finally did something and contacted my representatives, but they voted for it anyway.  Then came the huge stimulus plan and again I couldn’t believe what I was seeing.  They hadn’t even read it! Our debt soaring, just when the Baby Boomers will soon come calling for their promised benefits and also begin withdrawing from the tax paying work force.  Again I contacted my lawmakers, but again they all voted for it!  Then what I really hoped for, troop withdraw, is being delayed and the troops in Afghanistan increased.  I was so hopeful that Pres. Obama would bring our troops home. I have to go and share my concern that our country is debasing our Dollar and amassing a debt that our GDP can’t support.  Even by raising taxes, we can’t cover increasing debt and our SS obligations.  I must stand up and say at least I tried to stop the reckless spending on ALL sides of the isle.  This isn’t sustainable.  We have to act now.  I know that many of you will think I am ignorant and perhaps you are right.  I just love my country and I can’t bear to see her spent into oblivion.  My voice is small, but I must try no matter how useless others think it is.  Maybe nothing will change, but I know it can’t if we don’t speak up and take a stand.  I will go to this tea party out of love for my country and not hatred for others. I won’t be shouting or screaming, just quietly saying,  “I’m here! Please listen!”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am the mother of 3 and my husband and I are doing pretty good with a combined income of 50,000 a year.  So we aren’t super rich, but we aren’t poor either. I am not a Republican or Democrat.  I wish we could please stop this “left” vs. “right”, Dems vs. Republicans and vise versa war.  I try to look at raw facts when forming my opinions.  That having been said, I am going to my local tea party.  My first ever protest.  I am not doing this because Fox news, any talking head told me to.  The problems our nation face did not start with George Bush or Barack Obama.  The trajectory began almost 100 years ago and has slowly been building. I should have been out protesting earlier, but I believed that surely our leaders would come to their senses on both sides of the isle and start reigning in spending.  We have a huge unfunded commitment to Social Security and we stole from it to continue spending and to delay the inevitable pain.  Blame can be laid at many people’s feet, but ultimately we must lay it at our own for failing to act. I blame myself for being silent too long. I was appalled by the Patriot Act and the assault to our liberties it represents, but I just complained!  I was frustrated over increases in spending and the Iraqi war under Bush, but again I just complained! Then came the bailout and TARP fiasco and I became alarmed and I finally did something and contacted my representatives, but they voted for it anyway.  Then came the huge stimulus plan and again I couldn’t believe what I was seeing.  They hadn’t even read it! Our debt soaring, just when the Baby Boomers will soon come calling for their promised benefits and also begin withdrawing from the tax paying work force.  Again I contacted my lawmakers, but again they all voted for it!  Then what I really hoped for, troop withdraw, is being delayed and the troops in Afghanistan increased.  I was so hopeful that Pres. Obama would bring our troops home. I have to go and share my concern that our country is debasing our Dollar and amassing a debt that our GDP can’t support.  Even by raising taxes, we can’t cover increasing debt and our SS obligations.  I must stand up and say at least I tried to stop the reckless spending on ALL sides of the isle.  This isn’t sustainable.  We have to act now.  I know that many of you will think I am ignorant and perhaps you are right.  I just love my country and I can’t bear to see her spent into oblivion.  My voice is small, but I must try no matter how useless others think it is.  Maybe nothing will change, but I know it can’t if we don’t speak up and take a stand.  I will go to this tea party out of love for my country and not hatred for others. I won’t be shouting or screaming, just quietly saying,  “I’m here! Please listen!”<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5593310', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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