Rep. Paul Ryan: GOP Tax Plan Is ‘Progressive’
Rep. Paul Ryan: GOP Tax Plan Is ‘Progressive’
On April 1, the House Republicans released a budget plan fitting of the holiday, promising to revoke the stimulus, freeze all spending, and slash taxes for the wealthiest Americans and corporations. Last night on Fox News’ “Hannity,” Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI) — the plan’s lead author — declared that the GOP tax proposal was “progressive”:
HANNITY: You talk about the demonizing: This has become a mantra, tax cuts for the wealthy, Republicans don’t care about the poor. They’ve been very effective in their bumper stickers and slogans and propaganda. How do you convince people that this benefits everybody…when the Democrats are out there saying you don’t care about the poor, which I know is a lie. But what’s the answer?
RYAN: Well, look, what we’re proposing is we’re going to give taxpayers a choice. You can have the current tax code with all of its loopholes and bells and whistles, or if you want a simplified system that fits on a postcard, two rates, 10 percent and 25 percent. It’s progressive.
Watch it:
If by “progressive,” Ryan means “overwhelmingly favoring the rich while hurting the middle class,” then yes, the GOP plan is indeed “progressive.” As the Citizens for Tax Justice found, the GOP plan would slash taxes for the richest Americans while poorer families would have to pay more:
–Over a third of taxpayers, mostly low- and middle-income families, would pay more in taxes under the House GOP plan than they would under the House Democratic plan in 2010.
– The richest one percent of taxpayers would pay $75,000 less, on average, in income taxes under the House GOP plan than they would under the Democratic plan in 2010.
– The income tax proposals in the House GOP plan…would cost over $225 billion more than the Democratic plan’s income tax policies in 2010 alone.
Indeed, the GOP’s “progressive” plan would give the average CEO a $1.5 million tax break. What’s more, the poorest Americans would be forced to pay more taxes under the GOP plan.
Americans have already witnessed the damage wrought by a tax plan that overwhelmingly favors the wealthy. After the passage of the Bush tax cuts — which Ryan’s plan would make permanent — “the richest Americans’ share of national income…reached a postwar record,” with the top 1 percent earning more than 21 percent of all income in 2005. President Bush, however, shrugged off the massive increase in inequality seen under his tenure. “First of all, our society has had income inequality for a long time,” he said.
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Wait, don’t Republicans dislike all things ‘progressive’?
April 10th, 2009 at 11:16 amBut the Repugnants DO care about the poor. They care so much the want to see them stay poor. They see the value in having the working poor around to do the menial tasks they can’t be bothered with.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:18 amAh yes, more fiscally sound Republican Reganomics! Because rich people just need more, so they can spend more, so the economy will revive and all will be well with America again. Yes, rich people don’t put their millions, billions, trillions (which they can’t possibly use in their lifetimes) into banks and c.d.’s and into stock trades, they’re out there at you local cafe having coffee, they’re buying clothes at the main street mom and pop, they’re patronizing that little hardware store run—oops, sorry, I guess I was thinking of somebody else.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:19 amThe Manatee: “the Democrats are out there saying you don’t care about the poor, which I know is a lie.”
The Manatee sure knows a lie when he hears one, doesn’t he? That is, except every time he hears a playback of every word he ever utters…
April 10th, 2009 at 11:19 amYou guys dont know the meaning of the word Progressive.
Just like you dont know the meaning of the word socialism.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:19 amFriend nanlichi nasschagii, you make a good point–grunts, we need many grunts!
April 10th, 2009 at 11:19 amWe have always been at war with Eastasia.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:20 amPerhaps I ‘misunderestimated’ what these republicans proposed. Are they saying the wealthy can now opt for a FLAT 25 percent rate, meaning NO itemized deductions OR the current 39% but they get to write off everything they make thus effectively paying only 20%?
All the while, us poor folk can either pay a flat 10% OR an adjusted 10%.
No wonder they couldn’t get support for it. It just doesn’t make sense for either class.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:22 amIf he actually meant to use the word “progressive” then it’s pretty obvious which way the wind is blowing. That’s a big shift.
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April 10th, 2009 at 11:23 amUntil you’ve mastered Idiot Math, you can’t really appreciate the beauty of the GOP plan.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:24 amRep Ryan: PROGRESSIVE
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:24 amRep. Paul Ryan (D-WI) — the plan’s lead author — declared that the GOP tax proposal was “progressive”:
Are we sure this guy is a Dem?
April 10th, 2009 at 11:25 amEndless greed.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:29 amPresident Bush, however, shrugged off the massive increase in inequality seen under his tenure. “First of all, our society has had income inequality for a long time,” he said.
No duh. The thing is only the rich don’t see this as a problem. There is just something about that word equal, used so many times in the Constitution, that they just can’t get the hang of.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:29 amNo way is Ryan a D.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:30 amHa Ha! Republicans aspiring to be Progressive!
April 10th, 2009 at 11:30 amMrBrown Says: You guys dont know the meaning of the word Progressive. Just like you dont know the meaning of the word socialism.
Really? Your telling me you know what I do and do not know? How does that work, exactly?
April 10th, 2009 at 11:30 am@ #12,
No, that’s just a typo.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:32 amI think MrBrown is talking to the repukes Xisithrus.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:33 am#8 It’s actually true.
We do income taxes for individuals/couples. If they get over 15% taken away for fed. income tax, we’re supposed to look for an error. This includes people making $70,000, $100,000… so much mortgage interest, usually. 25% flat would be HUGE, at least from what I’ve seen. Maybe not for millionaires.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:40 amOh and 10% flat is a lot, given that the first $8950 is tax free.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:41 amOl’ S(ht) H(ead) is one to talk about demonizing. That’s all he does. His audience makes it easy with their stupidity.
The fact is everyone does better when (D) policies are in place. The severe inequality comes from (R) policy, letting someone else decide when they’ve benefitted enough to let you benefit.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:44 amFirst of all, I disagree with Mr. Hannity about the mantra that “the Democrats are out there saying [the GOP doesn’t] care about the poor”. I believe that the GOP does care about the poor, but doesn’t care enough about the poor, depending on the rich to fuel the poor.
As far as “progressive” goes, isn’t a freeze on spending and dependence on the past GOP tax cuts “regressive”? It’s only progressive in the sense that it progresses the GOP agenda.
And wasn’t this plan already proven as a failed plan, or are we talking about a new plan? Didn’t this have more “nay” votes by the Republicans than “nay” votes from the Democrats for the Obama plan? Or am I imagining things?
April 10th, 2009 at 11:51 amFirst they had a budget with no numbers.
Now, they have a budget with no facts.
These jokers aren’t ‘teabaggers’, they’re sandbaggers.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:54 amSure, why not call it “progressive”?
After all, it’s not like these guys care what words actually mean, anyway.
April 10th, 2009 at 11:56 amRepublicans sure do depend on the ignorance and cowardice of their base for their survival.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:00 pm“freeze all spending”
You mean don’t pay MOC’s or their staffs so they can make lists and harass? I’m ok with that.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:09 pmMid to low income American workers will be helped by this tax plan. What will really hurt though are the State and Local tax increases being planned all across America. Wait one year and see just what our politicians have done to the few dollars you have left to spend each month. They are working on ways to tax everything you eat, drive, walk on, look at, and the air you breath.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:16 pmYeah, Repukian Progressive means progressively worst for America.
Fcuk the Republicans
April 10th, 2009 at 12:17 pm10secondduffus is getting progressively more stupid.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:19 pmI guess that they intentionally left out the part about “freeze all spending except for the military”. It seems to me that they have already voted on the Republican’t version of the budget and a large number of Republicant’s voted against it.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:22 pmBuckie Boy Says:
Yes he is. Stupider and making even LESS sense all the time. Its sad really
April 10th, 2009 at 12:23 pmThe psycho, idiot liberals and the moron, blockhead conservatives are so busy screaming at each other that the greedy, corrupt, amoral politicians can milk them for every extra penny they earn. Go politicians, line your pockets with the taxpayer’s cash.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:23 pm10hourday Says:
Mid to low income American workers will be helped by this tax plan.
Prove it.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:23 pmIgnoranceIsNotBliss Says: I think MrBrown is talking to the repukes Xisithrus.
Im not sure who MrBrown was talking to either..If so, I stand corrected, if not, the question remains.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:24 pm10hourday Says:
The ignorant braindead brainwashed zombies like YOU that never know what you are talking about but LOVE to shout it to anyone unfortunate enough to be in your presence are too stupid to make any sense. That wont stop morons like you from yakking your ignorance though
April 10th, 2009 at 12:35 pmThey’ve been doing that the last 8 years under Bush. Where were you? Unless you’re like Sanford in South Carolina who wouldn’t raise taxes and kept cutting taxes for the wealthy. Now he want federal tax dollars to pay the debt he ran up.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:36 pmAh, this must be one of those “independents” we’ve heard so much about.
Like O’Reilly.
Or maybe he’s a “libertarian”.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:40 pmWhat was that Ralph?
Do I have another customer for my Medicine and Airplane business???
April 10th, 2009 at 12:41 pm.
… Shifting the center that much more toward the Right.
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April 10th, 2009 at 12:45 pmtombaker, it looks like you might have a strong sales lead with “10hourday”.
Although it’s just as likely that it’s a redundant one, a potential customer who’s been here before under a different name, and is just coming back for the free donuts and coffee you serve at your seminars.
April 10th, 2009 at 12:56 pmYes, it progresses backwards.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:02 pmOh well – If he turns out to be a dead-end, I’ll more than make up for it selling teabags, and “get a clue, morans” t-shirts.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:04 pmHave you ever considered that you act like the ants and cockroaches that keep returning to the poison bait? It smells so nice and tastes so good. You gather around it and feast until you’re bloated. You take it back to your friends and relatives and spread it around to them. Over and over again. You worship your idol politicians and feed on their lies and deceit. You destroy your society mouthful by mouthful and return for more poison yet again and again. Tell me ant and cockroach brain, are you really any different?
April 10th, 2009 at 1:05 pmEvery time I see any kind of “plan” come from the Republicans, it contains two key GOP philosophies.
First, the idea that making the rich richer and the poor poorer is a good thing. Funny — I always believed the healthiest economies happen when the greatest number of people participate in them. But when you squeeze an ever-growing segment of the population to the point where they can no longer participate because they have no money to spend, doesn’t everybody suffer as a result?
Second, the idea that spending must be “frozen”. How will this revive the economy? This is like reviving a suffocation victim by sucking all the air out of the room.
Republicans have no new ideas, so they just keep putting forth the old ones.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm25 and 10 isn’t fair? Seems that the ‘rich’ are still paying 15% more than the poor. I though we wanted equality for everyone? This is why we need the Fair tax because liberals will never stop with the class warfare.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:11 pmApparently, Ryan has decided that “progressive” isn’t a bad word — that it’s actually something desirable?
April 10th, 2009 at 1:11 pmI have to take exception to the accusation that psychotic liberals are also idiots. Idiocy is intentional, whereas psychosis is pathological. Not all idiot liberals are psychotic, and likewise, not all psychotic liberals are idiots.
I should also add that not all liberals are either idiots or psychotic. Only those that think they are liberal, but still think Bill Clinton was a good Democrat, are the idiotic ones.
You should avoid painting them with such a broad brush.
I also take exception to the accusation that all conservatives are moronic and blockheaded. The conservatives that sucker non-millionaires into attending tea bag events are actually pretty savvy morons.
Non-millionaires that attend tea bag events are the subgroup that are both blockheaded and moronic.
You also forgot to address the “independent” population. This group of people are idiotic, moronic and blockheaded, and a portion of these are also psychotic. If you are not a millionaire, you would have to be idiotic, blockheaded and moronic to not be able to figure out which of the two parties at least throws a bone to the peasants and which steals candy from a baby.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pmWell, I’m not surprised they have no idea what “progressive” means. It wouldn’t be the first time they have expressed their ignorance for basic terms. Here’s a short list of words they have used in recent years that are intentionally deceptive, if not flat-out incorrectly used.
1) Socialism – used to describe everything they don’t like, disregarding the numerous examples of socialist policies that the US and other countries use everyday that both operate as they’re supposed to and are vital like schools and highways.
2) Progressive – apparently anything that forwards your own agenda is “progressive” nowadays. Let’s just forget that the term actually does describe a political ideal that tends to be the polar opposite of what they are talking about.
Liberal – their favorite dirty word to demonize people who disagree with them. They constantly ignore the reality that liberal quite simply means in favor or individual liberties. Just like our founding fathers were, since they’re so hyped to work them into any and every conversation.
Earmark – a process by which ALL types of funds are appropriated, now it is equivalent with waste. Some earmarks are wasteful, I’m sure. But I guess no one told them that anytime money is requested it’s an earmark. That includes their precious military spending.
Fascism – quickly becoming one of their new favorite words to describe our President, regardless of the fact that nothing about this man is even remotely fascist, or that it is impossible to be both a socialist and a fascist at the same time.
Marxism – another one used to describe a political agenda, ignoring the actual meaning of the word – a philosophical theory put forth by Karl Marx which describes the multiple types of political systems and the type and level of advancement that describe the civilizations that utilize them. Marxism describes the type of nations that uses aristocracies, democracies, capitalsim, and, yes, socialism and communism, among others.
Someone needs to put out a Republicanese-English dictionary.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:18 pmAt some point I apparently abandoned my numbering system. Sorry about that.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:20 pmRodeskawler
And anyone who believes those “bones thrown to the peasants” aren’t dwarfed by the stifling of societal progress they are butchered from is as naive as the Swiss cheese, simpleton logic they are infused with.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pmRP – Stickin’ up for “the poor rich folks” again…
What do you expect in return for your fealty, RP?
April 10th, 2009 at 1:26 pmnope I’m sticking up for everyone. Notice how I said we need to adopt the Fair-tax?
April 10th, 2009 at 1:33 pmRP2012
You’re not sticking up for everyone with the idea of a Flat Tax.
It sounds fair, but it isn’t. Part of the problem with a system like that it is the people who currently don’t pay taxes because they can’t afford them (the very poor) would have to pay with a flat tax. On top of that, it removes deductions, which may stick it to the wealthy in many ways, but it also sticks it to the lower and middle classes worse, because they have less cash flow to work with than the wealthy do.
It’s a common misconception for people who have little or no understanding of the tax system to think that a flat tax is the fairest, but it’s much more restrictive on the poor than it is the wealthy, which is why we have a progressive tax system in the first place (not progressive like politically progressive, but literally progressive – tax rates increase as income increases). Those of us who deal with taxes for a living know it’s a worse system for everyone involved, especially those who don’t have the money to pay in the first place.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:42 pmthe fair tax is a myth.
you’re lying to everyone.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:43 pmUh, no.
Thanks for the thought.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:48 pmSo tell me, RP, if it’s liberals who practice “class warfare”, then why has the gap between rich and poor dramatically widened over the past thirty years under largely Republican policies?
April 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pmralph the wonder locust
I’m one of those Independants you have heard of,(but apparently never seen). Sorry to inform you, but yes there are loons on both sides of the political fence. I harp on my consevative family members all the time to be realistic with themselves when defending their political party. I do the same to my liberal friends. I try not to judge anyone (libs or cons) by the nuts in their party, but more by the points of their party that they personally try to defend. Please don’t degrade me or my beliefs by equating me with a nut like O’Reilly.
Thank you
April 10th, 2009 at 1:51 pmCan anyone decipher this?
It reads like the output of some right-wing random-insult generator that has a faulty sensor.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pmSorry, jade. I didn’t mean to imply that there were no well-meaning political independents out there.
What I was ridiculing was the propensity of right-wingers to come here and claim that they’re “independent” much like O’Reilly famously claims. It’s a consequence of the Republican Party devolving into such a train wreck of a political force that they can’t bear to own up to the truth of their convictions.
I would not dispute that there are crazies on either end of the political spectrum. The difference is that the Right seems to be intent on mainstreaming theirs.
April 10th, 2009 at 1:56 pmRalph
My appologies. I jumped to fast, but I get those statement about Ind’s alot (to scared to pick a side, blah balh blah). With your statement about, “can’t bear to own up…”,I now understand and must agree.
But I do hope they keep putting up their loons. If they get loonie enough maybe the rational conservatives will overthrow them and we can have some actual rational debate.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pmAnd anyone who believes those “bones thrown to the peasants” aren’t dwarfed by the stifling of societal progress they are butchered from is as naive as the Swiss cheese, simpleton logic they are infused with.
This needs to be preserved. I have never seen a more perfect example of random word generation that seems to be saying something about holes.
Troll version 2.3 is about as good as Windows Vista. Looks nice but makes no sense and is real irritating.
April 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pmDumb Question:
the budget is at a deficit. If we freeze the budget and slash taxes for the rich – wouldn’t we either have to raise the deficit or increase taxes on the poor ?
April 10th, 2009 at 2:41 pmYou kinda answered your own question there…
April 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pmStrictly speaking, Ryan is telling the truth. In use long before “progressive” was adopted as a name for the left/liberal/not-republican point of view, the phrase “progressive tax system” simply means that the rate charged progresses (upwards) as taxable income increases. The Republicans’ tax proposal is clearly heavily skewed towards benefiting the wealthy, but it is in fact “progressive”.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pmIn my opinion this thread makes (political) progressives look a bit petty, attacking the use of a word to which has special meaning to them. Kind of like how wingnuts feel that only they are allowed to call themselves “patriotic”.
riconaps
Our current tax system is progressive, it has six levels of tax rates that increase as income increases. It is literally progressive, as opposed to politically progressive.
I have to say, as an accountant, I am aware that a two-tiered tax system is, technically, progressive, but if you are being honest with yourself, you know as well as the rest of us that to call a two-tiered system that creates an increase in taxes on the lower classes and a decrease in taxes on the upper classes “progressive” is disingenuous because of the use of the term as a political buzz word AND because in comparison with the tax system we already have, it’s not particularly (literally) progressive.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:29 pmFREAX and friends are engaging in “disaster capitalism” [i learned something] – like they did to squash the middle class in Argentina. The FOX is orchestrating the restucturing of america in favor of the rich using “disaster capitalism”. Let’s ask FOX all about it.
April 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pmLady in news conference: I work three jobs.
George W. Bush: You work three jobs? Uniquely American, isn’t it, I mean that is fantastic.
Isn’t it fantastic that an American has to work three jobs to keep her head above water? Now that’s what I call compassionate conservatism!
April 10th, 2009 at 3:51 pmXisithrus Says:
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Really? Your telling me you know what I do and do not know? How does that work, exactly?
You don’t know the different between your (possesive pronoun) and you’re (contraction of the words you are).
April 10th, 2009 at 3:59 pmXisithrus Says:
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Really? Your telling me you know what I do and do not know? How does that work, exactly?
You don’t know the different between your (possesive pronoun) and you’re (contraction of the words you are).
How it works is you make a stupid statement and we deduce through logic and reason that you don’t know sh!t!
April 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pmSure. And Wal-Mart is perfectly justified in claiming that their patio furniture is “on sale” even though the “sale” price is the same as their regular price. After all, “on sale” simply means “available for purchase”. Anyone who complains about their misuse of contemporary accepted language in order to promote a illusion that doesn’t match reality is just being petty,
April 10th, 2009 at 4:34 pmProgressive as a runaway cancer.
April 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pmWhy are they posturing so hard? They didn’t have the votes to stop the budget, they don’t have the votes to support their “plan”.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:15 pm10hourday Says:
Have YOU every considered that you are stupid and brainwashed? That you are a moron who NEVER knows what you are talking about? Have you ever considered that you maybe should STFU and be considered a fool rather than spew such monumental ignorance and remove ALL DOUBT ABOUT HOW STUPID YOU ARE?
April 10th, 2009 at 7:23 pmRP2012 Says:
To people as bone ignorant as YOU it ISNT class warfare to use policies to attack labor ONLY to point out that is waht is happening. It isnt class warfare to give huge tax breaks for the rich then pay for them by cutting benfits to the working class it is class warfare to TALK about it happening. It ISNT class warfare to send working class kids to DIE for access to the resources our corporations want and use for their profits only to TALK about it happening. In other words morons like YOU love the Omerta. We have to keep the REAL class warfare a dirty little secret or we are engaging in class warfare. Do you have any idea how stupid you are? It isnt class warfare to the stupidest people on the planet like you CLEARLY are to socialize the costs and risks while privitizing the profits its just SHHHHH dont tell anyone or you are engaging in class warfare. What an asskissing psychophantic FOOL you are.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:29 pmThey want tax rates of 10% and 25%? I’ll bet they don’t want capital gains tax on millions of dollars of income to be 25%! And why would it have to fit on a postcard? Bumper sticker mentality?
April 10th, 2009 at 7:30 pm10hourday Says:
You are simple YES, very VERY simple but you wouldnt know logic from that block of cheese you were talking about. You are a moron face it. You are too stupid to even begin to comprehend anything much less what you are talking about. Your stupid goes clear to the bone
April 10th, 2009 at 7:32 pmRP2012 Says:
nope I’m sticking up for everyone. Notice how I said we need to adopt the Fair-tax?
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Yeah like we said sticking up for the rich you are a MORON I remember the clear skies inititive too the one that allowed MORE polluting. I bet you think the Peoples Republic of China is made up of Republicans. You are too stupid to be beleived
April 10th, 2009 at 7:33 pmJade2470 Says:
Fair enough. Make some points and we will see.
April 10th, 2009 at 7:34 pm“If by “progressive,” Ryan means “overwhelmingly favoring the rich while hurting the middle class,” then yes, the GOP plan is indeed “progressive.” As the Citizens for Tax Justice found, the GOP plan would slash taxes for the richest Americans while poorer families would have to pay more:”
Ryan’s tax proposal is about as “progressive” as the recent conservative Democrat-passed increase in the tobacco tax, which will more adversely affect the poor and middle-class while having hardly any effect at all on the wealthy.
And to think that these conservative numbskulls did this during the biggest recession since the Great Depression…a deepening recession which this highly regressive tobacco tax increase will only make worse.
Furthermore, these anti-tobacco zero-tolerant conservatives also have stated that they enacted this huge tobacco tax increase to try to force people to give up smoking or smoke less, which puts a lie to their claim that this huge tobacco tax increase will fund SCHIPS…both can’t happen.
But let’s say that these anti-tobacco fanatics are successful and people do either smoke less or quit entirely.
1) SCHIPS will be underfunded.
2) Small businesses that sell tobacco products will be hard hit financially as their tobacco-related revenue slows or dries up completely…leading to massive lay offs…just what we need during a recession that is bordering on another Great Depression.
3) A whole lot of families and individuals are already under economic stress because of what the culture of corruption and greed conservatives on Wall Street caused to happen to our economy, so anyone adding to this stress must be nuts, because stressed-out individuals often lash out, as we’ve seen recently in the news. So, let’s add to the stress levels in our society by increasing the number of smokers going through withdrawals. Heckuva job.
Are these anti-tobacco conservatives nuts?
Oh right, all zero-tolerant conservatives, no matter what political party and no matter what pet issue, are nuts…because their selfish, dictatorial, totalitarian, zero-tolerant policies ALWAYS end up hurting more people than they help, but these conservative policies ALWAYS especially harm the children…which is why these nutty conservatives wrapped up their tobacco tax increase in with SCHIPS…even as they push more children into poverty. Crazy, crazy, crazy conservatives.
April 10th, 2009 at 9:23 pmI have the misfortune to live next to Ryan’s district, and he does not have a clue as to what is going on in it now — specifically, that the GM plant in Janesville, along with many of its suppliers, is closed. Thousands of people who are out of work with no income apparently are supposed to be impressed by the “progressive” nature of Republican tax policies, which have so far resulted in a loss of 3 million + private sector jobs. Ryan is a smooth operator and master propagandist, however, he can still fool many of the people in his district into thinking that he is working to their benefit somehow.
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