jeff2001 Says:

I hate how both parties blame each other. It was the terrorist that kill those poor people on 9/11.

barfly Says:

Except the Bush administration was specifically warned about Bin Laden, and that he would attempt to hijack planes. April 10th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

upright left Says:

Are you suggesting that if a person knows a danger exists and takes no action to avoid that danger, he is acting irresponsibly?
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I think he’s suggesting that the President of the United States knew a danger existed and took no action to avoid that danger. And, yes, that was very irresponsible of him.

I believe your interpretation is a straw man argument. The president is not just any “person”.

April 12th, 2009 at 6:36 am
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I’m not interpreting anything. I happen to agree that Bush was foolish and irresponsible in failing to act. It’s just that some folks here don’t happen to agree with the statement, “If a person knows a danger exists and takes no action to avoid that danger, he is acting irresponsibly?

Please don’t forget how lousy a President Botch 41 was. Then we got the complete clusterphuck, Botch 43. There should never be a Botch xx allowed in the White House period. The Botch klan should STFU and thank the stars that George The Loser isn’t is prison yet. The more they talk the more I want to lock away littel loser George; worst President in History!!!

Are you suggesting that if a person knows a danger exists and takes no action to avoid that danger, he is acting irresponsibly?

I think he’s suggesting that the President of the United States knew a danger existed and took no action to avoid that danger. And, yes, that was very irresponsible of him.

I believe your interpretation is a straw man argument. The president is not just any “person”.

jeff2001 Says:

I hate how both parties blame each other. It was the terrorist that kill those poor people on 9/11.

Except the Bush administration was specifically warned about Bin Laden, and that he would attempt to hijack planes. April 10th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
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Are you suggesting that if a person knows a danger exists and takes no action to avoid that danger, he is acting irresponsibly?

I read the whole blog and saw:

Error 1
There were people I did not answer.

Error 2
There were also people arguing about relevancy and as I tried to point out I was talking about what McNab had said. But in trying to prove a point I didn’t put in a link (cause I didn’t know better cause I’m a noob – unverifiable but still true.) This caused me to try to prove assertions that I made trying to dispute McNab and this really was off topic but I thought I was supposed to put up the links.

Error 3
The links I put up meant something to me cause I knew the whole story and I didn’t explain well enough. And I put up links out of sequence cause I went to the what I thought was more than enough proof. – I was only trying to prove that minors had been reported on concerning Frank which I could have found any report that talked about it and said “there” and moved on to my next assertion. (And this was off topic but I thought I was supposed to verify each one.)

Error 4
Not everyone read all the posts so that compounded my first three errors. This caused an argument about Frank.

Error 5
Talked about myself (which we do in WOW) but apparently here it is thought of as lying. Again my mistake. I got defensive because it seemed like everyone was attacking me and I tried to justify why I knew about the gay stuff and (see error 6)why I knew about the Spanish Inquisition.

Error 6
Really went off topic – it was something I had discussed in class – The Isabella and Obama comparison. This was completely off topic and I shouldn’t have said it.

Error 7
Because of the inflammatory accusations about Frank a sub topic was created which was wrong. And because when I provided proof that the media had reported the Frank incident I didn’t understand why people were disregarding the links. I think they thought I was trying to prove something about Frank but I was only trying to prove something about the media which goes back to McNab.

Error 8
I didn’t understand why people were so hostile toward me. I do now. Still, I felt some of the comments were really hostile when I thought I was trying to ask questions and explain that I was a noob – I know unverifiable. Still true though.

Anyways, I apologize to you all. It was a bad experience for you I’m sure however, I have learned so much. I won’t come back here because I have made too many people angry for all the errors I made but this is a sincere apology – I know unverifiable. But it is.

Oh, I’m Horde – so “FOR THE HORDE”

“Just because a law has been broken, it doesn’t mean a crime has been committed” … you gotta me kidding, right?

Yeah, my Senator, Chuck Schumer, has some explaining to do for supporting that guy.

Can you explain all the hostility toward me?
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Could be comments like these:

Val Says:

… The main stream press constantly berated President Bush as it is still doing. They told lie after lie…

There have been more liberal lies about Bush’s administration than all the other Presidents combined and somehow people don’t research they just blindly believe.
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ALL OTHER PRESIDENTS COMBINED?

You must have gotten that confused w/ the size of the debt Bush ran up… and forgotten how Bush once had a NINETY PERCENT approval rating…

You “facts” are so broad as to be meaningless. Can’t be proved or disproved. And some just blindly post wild hyperbole w/ no validation, huh?
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Val Says:

This would not have been possible for a republican.
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You are kidding, right?

What did it take to get a Bush appointee out of office, once their behavior was publicly know?

Lurita “Cookies” Doan?

Scooter Libby? What did Bush say? Anyone found to have been involved… blah blah blah…

What did Muaksey say when refusing to enforce valid subpoenas?

“Just because a law has been broken, it doesn’t mean a crime has been committed” … you gotta me kidding, right?
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Val Says:

Let me just say it was reported minors were involved.
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Again, a little VALID proof of that claim… or is it just a smear???

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barney_Frank#Steve_Gobie

After an investigation, the Ethics Committee found no evidence that Frank had known of or been involved in the alleged illegal activity and dismissed all of Gobie’s more scandalous claims.[13][14]
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Val Says:

That in itself proves both points – more rudeness than debate ergo lack of knowledge.
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Oh… the irony. And after all the completely unverifiable statements you just made…

Sorry, b-cup… I mean “Val”… yer story doesn’t hold water.

If you don’t get why folks here don’t like you, I don’t know what to say.

I referred to you as Republic because it was faster than typing The Republic. I didn’t know there was a proper way. I mean how could I have known, I still don’t know. Is it The or Rep or what? I mean honestly how else would someone address someone with such a long name. ?????

As you can see from the cut and paste the first reference was from a Washington reporter the second reference on Frank was from Sam Donaldson. Anything else you need proof on?

I don’t get this. Someone asked for links. Those were links from reputable sources. I believe when Donaldson was deciding to run for office he was going to run as a democrat. Do you need a link? Is Donaldson not to be referred to? I don’t get it.

you certainly have mastered the various techniques and resources used to post comments like you did

WOW uses a chat line to communicate with other people. Very much like this. Unless you have Ventrilo or use the internal WOW talk. But not everyone has headphones or Ventrilo and the internal WOW audible sucks. So, we use keyboards to talk to fellow guildies. Oh, and, cut and paste “difficult” and the toolbar on the comment box that says bold/italic etc. Is that really hard to figure out?

And I have no idea who “b-cup” is. I thought you were using some gamer reference – like in portal where the machine gun bot says “Are you there?” “Would you come over here?” Portal is a great game btw. It really is fun. Look at this Portal youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpdCi5XpCsE

And I still don’t know who “b-cup” is.

Can you explain all the hostility toward me. And really if you read the whole thread lots of people are hostile toward each other. Okay – you don’t have to believe me – but seriously I don’t get this. And I wasn’t lying (I know unverifiable). But I don’t get it.

I just wanted to commend you on your explanations of why we have learned, through experience, to be distrustful of some of the new people who show up claiming to want to debate a topic. Perhaps their pugnacious, antagonistic approach is related to their conservative philosophy. I don’t know. But you explained very well how we differentiate between people who drop by with an honest inquiry on liberal viewpoints, and people who come in looking for a fight or, failing that, to waste as much of our time and TP’s bandwidth as possible.

I am willing to have an honest conversation with any conservative who wishes to do the same with me. But I don’t feel I have to give any respect or credibility to trolls.

Not true in this case, but this is my first time on a blog site so I have apparently broken all kinds of rules.
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And yet another unverifiable statement meant to influence the conversation.

“first time on a blog site”???
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Val Says:

Wayne and Ralph

And then I see it in comments on blogs like this. Amazing.

As you can see from the cut and paste the first reference was from a Washington reporter the second reference on Frank was from Sam Donaldson. Anything else you need proof on?
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For your “first time on a blog” you certainly have mastered the various techniques and resources used to post comments like you did… for your very first post. And “comments on blogs like this”… just skulking in the shadows
all this time, huh?

Man… you come across so much like “b-cup” you could be his twin…

Funny, how quickly you started referring to me as “Republic”…

BUT… you’ve NEVER been here before…

But I am stuptified at the rudeness and general lack of knowledge.
As quantified how? What methodologies did you employ or is it more probable that you just made this part up?

I think if you will just go to post 455 or what ever number you want to start with further up the thread then count the insults as compared to facts you will find insults greatly out weigh facts. That in itself proves both points – more rudeness than debate ergo lack of knowledge.

TRoHS’ Corollary #2: “When the person you’re debating starts introducing unverifiable personal information into the dialogue as a way of giving their personal opinion more validity, you’re dealing with a phony.”

Not true in this case, but this is my first time on a blog site so I have apparently broken all kinds of rules.

And on debating – what about all the unverifiable stuff you guys were saying – where were all your links.

And as I thought you began besmirching Jews almost immediately. Making circumcision jokes and jokes about the holocaust.