Hume: The Bush Administration Didn’t Really Blame Clinton For 9/11
Hume: The Bush Administration Didn’t Really Blame Clinton For 9/11
Last week on Hannity, former Florida governor Jeb Bush implored Obama to stop criticizing his brother’s legacy. “If I had one humble criticism of President Obama, it would be to stop this notion of somehow framing everything in the context of, ‘Everything was bad before I got here,’” said Bush.
Today the panelists on Fox News Sunday discussed these comments, and whether Obama is out of bounds by invoking his predecessor’s failed policies. Even Weekly Standard editor Bill Kristol said that it’s normal for presidents to blame current problems on their predecessors. “The Democrats blamed Herbert Hoover for everything for about 20 years, and the Republicans blamed Jimmy Carter for everything for quite awhile,” said Kristol.
When NPR news analyst Juan Williams then pointed out that President Bush and his administration officials also often blamed the Clinton administration for their problems, Fox News’s Brit Hume jumped in and said, “There was very little of that”:
WILLIAMS: This is just politics. That’s what you do. You blame your predecessor and you do it for as long as possible because it buys you time. And even after 9/11, all the Bush administration officials were pointing out, “Hey, what about that Bill Clinton? Why didn’t he do a better job with getting the terrorists when he had the opportunity?”
HUME: There was very little of that.
WILLIAMS: Well, it was around. In fact, I think Bill Clinton got into it with you [Wallace] about just that point.
HUME: Yeah, but Chris doesn’t represent the Bush administration.
WALLACE: I don’t remember that exchange. (LAUGHTER)
Watch it:
In fact, in a September 2006 interview with the New York Post editorial board, then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice received considerable attention for placing the blame squarely on the shoulders of President Clinton:
Nobody organized this country or the international community to fight the terrorist threat that was upon us until 9/11. … We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al-Qaida. For instance, big pieces were missing, like an approach to Pakistan that might work, because without Pakistan you weren’t going to get Afghanistan.
In a speech on Aug. 30, 2005, Bush said that three out of his four predecessors — excluding his father — didn’t respond sufficiently to crises, which emboldened terrorists and led to 9/11:
They looked at our response after the hostage crisis in Iran, the bombings of the Marine barracks in Lebanon, the first World Trade Center attack, the killing of American soldiers in Somalia, the destruction of two U.S. embassies in Africa, and the attack on the USS Cole. They concluded that free societies lacked the courage and character to defend themselves against a determined enemy. … After September the 11th, 2001, we’ve taught the terrorists a very different lesson: America will not run in defeat and we will not forget our responsibilities.
On the domestic front, Bush and his advisers also repeatedly said that they “inherited a recession” from Clinton.
Transcript:
WALLACE: Well, let’s talk about the blame game, because this week, Bill, Jeb Bush — the president’s younger brother — weighed in on the Obama administration’s tendency to blame their problems on the former president. Let’s watch.
(VIDEO)
WALLACE: Bill, is it smart politics for the Obama administration to keep blaming the Bush administration for their problems, and how is it going to work?
KRISTOL: It’s probably smart politics, and they’ll keep doing it as long as it seems to be working. The Democrats blamed Herbert Hoover for everything for about 20 years, and the Republicans blamed Jimmy Carter for everything for quite awhile. One can say it’s not very polite for a sitting president to refer explicitly to his predecessor, especially while abroad. I don’t think Reagan did that about Carter; I’m not sure Roosevelt did that about Herbert Hoover.
There’s a general matter, I believe — Most intelligent Democrats watching this show are perfectly happy to have Jeb Bush, Karl Rove out there defending the Bush administration and making the choice between Obama’s new policies and the allegedly failed policies of Bush.
WALLACE: So, you think that this is smart? This is working?
KRISTOL: Yeah. Yeah.
WILLIAMS: This is just politics. That’s what you do. You blame your predecessor and you do it for as long as possible because it buys you time. And even after 9/11, all the Bush administration officials were pointing out, “Hey, what about that Bill Clinton? Why didn’t he do a better job with getting the terrorists when he had the opportunity?”
HUME: There was very little of that.
WILLIAMS: Well, it was around. In fact, I think Bill Clinton got into it with you about just that point.
HUME: Yeah, but Chris doesn’t represent the Bush administration.
WALLACE: I don’t remember that exchange. (LAUGHTER)
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– - No? Then tell that LOUDLY to the right wing people I associate with on an almost daily basis to drop that meme once and for all.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:39 pmIt only becomes history if enough folks agree to the lies…
April 12th, 2009 at 12:41 pmJust one more example of right-wing opposite-day reality. Remember that the next time Beck weeps for his country: he’s really laughing at it.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:43 pmI remember Clinton saddling Bush with all that peace, prosperity, 350% increase in the DJIA, 4% unemployment, budget surplus, and international goodwill.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:47 pm“The Democrats blamed Herbert Hoover for everything for about 20 years, and the Republicans blamed Jimmy Carter for everything for quite awhile,” said Kristol.
Mr. Kristol, Herbert Hoover deserved all the criticism he got. And as for Jimmy Carter, the right wing is still blaming him for things. Don’t you ever read the posts at TP?
April 12th, 2009 at 12:47 pmI’m tellin’ Ya. Even the IDIOT Christian Values NeoCons in the MEDIA have forgotten about video tape~!
Good Grief, Charlie Brown! What kind of a block head are these people?
They lie and lie and lie and they BELIEVE what they are saying when they say it. Never mind what they said BEFORE.
And people advertise on their shows and they get paid millions.
Wow.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:48 pmIn fact, in a September 2006 interview with the New York Post editorial board, then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice received considerable attention for placing the blame squarely on the shoulders of President Clinton:
Really, Dr. Rice? Then why did you ask Richard Clarke to stay on and be your counter-terrorism czar? He was the one trying to get you to look at their plan for dealing with al Qaeda. Remember him? Or did you successfully block him out of your mind?
April 12th, 2009 at 12:50 pmMaybe its time for Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld to testify under oath and in public, about what exactly happened on nine-nine and nine-ten. It doesn’t smell good to me…
Exactly who benefited politically from the attacks on nine-eleven? It was Cheney, Bush and Rumsfeld.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:53 pmWhy would the Bush administration have wanted anyone to prevent 9/11?
They used and abused it in every way for their advantage.
AIO
April 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pmRichard Clarke said Clinton did quite a bit in going after al Qaeda and it totally ended when the Bush administration came in. He said he could not even get a meeting.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:56 pmI think it’s despicable that the Bush Administration has no ownership of the mess they got our country into. Passing the buck to the Clinton Administration won’t work either. Jeb Bush’s remarks just highlights their desparation to distance themselves from the reality of what’s gone on these past 8 yrs. Bush was the worst president in American history and Jeb can just go to hell.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:57 pmJuan Williams “It’s just politics”
April 12th, 2009 at 12:58 pmComplete arse! It’s a fact that each administration is going to inherit the consequences of the previous administration’s policies.
Bush inherited a government surplus and high employment.
He also inherited a stock market decline due to the bursting of the dot-com bubble which was the speculators own fault—-and Bush called THAT a recession. THAT claim was indeed :just politics”
Clinton inherited an actual recession from Bush41 because he inherited Reagan’s “voodoo economics” (that was Bush’s description)and then raised taxes on the middle class but not the wealthy or corporations.
Reagan inherited a depressed economy from Carter, but that was due to a fuel crisis and Carter’s insistence on still paying-down the national debt.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:08 pmReagan spent his way out of the depressed economy but when it began to recover he just kept spending even more borrowed money and stopped paying-down the national debt.
Nobody organized this country or the international community to fight the terrorist threat that was upon us until 9/11. … We were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al-Qaida. For instance, big pieces were missing, like an approach to Pakistan that might work, because without Pakistan you weren’t going to get Afghanistan.
Poor Condi Rice. The Bush Administration couldn’t act unless there was a blueprint left for them telling them exactly how things would happen. I remember her saying about the warning of 9/11 that they weren’t told when and where it would happen, so there was nothing they could do. How lame can you get? They were warned about airplanes being hijacked. But since the warning didn’t tell them what airplanes and what date, they couldn’t do anything. They couldn’t even tighten up security in airports. The only thing they could do was to personally not fly on commercial airlines.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:11 pmHere’s what I think is a reasonable explanation for what happened. Bush always wanted to invade Iraq and as a bonus get their oil. Cheney held his secret energy task force meetings (which we’ll probably never get the details of) before 9/11 and I’m sure invading and siezing Iraqi oil was discussed.
Then we have PDBs that describe pending attacks, even how they might happen and Clarke was turned away from the President.
Clueless Rice, Idiot Bush, and Pure Evil Cheney and Rumsfeld decide to ignore the briefings and do nothing because they recall the earlier attack on the Trade Towers and assume any death toll, if any, will be a small price to pay for the excuse to invade Iraq.
Then the real horror happens and they don’t know what hit them.
Really, to me, this is the only plausible explanation of what happened. Or they are the most criminaly neglegent bastards that have ever held office.
The problem I have with that is Cheney’s too smart and Bush already wanted to invade, they just needed an excuse. Either way, they own it and not as much as they should.
I’d still like to see charges filed.
*I don’t think I’m a crackpot – but I may be the only one*
April 12th, 2009 at 1:13 pmI think IQs have dropped among the talking heads. Maybe it’s the lights.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:13 pmEither that, or they’re snickering in contempt of those watching.
The Democrats blamed Herbert Hoover for everything for about 20 years, and the Republicans blamed Jimmy Carter for everything for quite awhile.
Dang. When Bill Kristol is willing to skirt closer to the truth that=n your anchor, your “news” channel is in deep doo-doo.
(But seriously… Herbert Hoover, Bill? If Democrats really were as bad as Republicans at this, wouldn’t you think they’d at least blame Reagan for everything?)
April 12th, 2009 at 1:21 pmThe reason right wing nut jobs like Bill-O the clown and Hannity the Mannity get so pissed at people like Olbermann is because Keith and Rachel Maddow just read back word for word what these idiots say!!And that pisses them off to hear it back because everything they say is so goofy they really dont understand it till they hear it back!!
April 12th, 2009 at 1:23 pmRich H, I think your hypothesis makes a lot of sense.
Certainly, when you view the tape of Bush sitting in that classroom for seven minutes with that deer-in-the-headlights look on his face, it’s pretty easy to imagine him thinking to himself, “Oh shit. They did it. They actually went ahead and did it. NOW what do I do?”
April 12th, 2009 at 1:23 pmWALLACE: I don’t remember that exchange. (LAUGHTER)
Translation: I’m a liar, just like you guys, and it doesn’t suit me to remember. (dying inside)
April 12th, 2009 at 1:24 pmJeb Bush, like his brother, is a RepubliCon stooge.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:25 pmSo much to blame them for, so little time.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:27 pmRich H, I think that’s closer to the truth than we’ll ever get, regarding 9/11. They just let it happen.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:27 pmWhen Republicans couldn’t prevent executive action, President Clinton:
– Developed the nation’s first anti-terrorism policy, and appointed first national coordinator.
– Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up 12 U.S. jetliners simultaneously.
– Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up UN Headquarters.
– Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up FBI Headquarters.
– Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the Israeli Embassy in Washington.
–Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Boston airport.
– Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up Lincoln and Holland Tunnels in NY.
– Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the George Washington Bridge.
– Stopped cold the planned attack to blow up the US Embassy in Albania.
– Tried to kill Osama bin Laden and disrupt Al Qaeda through preemptive strikes (efforts denounced by the G.O.P.).
– Brought perpetrators of first World Trade Center bombing and CIA killings to justice.
– Did not blame Bush I administration for first World Trade Center bombing even though it occurred 38 days after they had left office. Instead, worked hard, even obsessively — and successfully — to stop future terrorist attacks.
– Named the Hart-Rudman commission to report on nature of terrorist threats and major steps to be taken to combat terrorism.
– Tripled the budget of the FBI for counterterrorism and doubled overall funding for counterterrorism.
– Detected and destroyed cells of Al Qaeda in over 20 countries
– Created a national stockpile of drugs and vaccines including 40 million doses of smallpox vaccine.
– Robert Oakley, Reagan Counterterrorism Czar says of Clinton’s efforts “Overall, I give them very high marks” and “The only major criticism I have is the obsession with Osama”
– Paul Bremer, Bush’s Administrator of Iraq disagrees slightly with Robert Oakley saying he believed the Clinton Administration had “correctly focused on bin Laden. ”
– Barton Gellman of the Washington Post put it best, “By any measure available, Clinton left office having given greater priority to terrorism than any president before him” and was the “first administration to undertake a systematic anti-terrorist effort.”
Here, in stark contrast, is part of the Bush-Cheney anti-terrorism record before September 11, 2001:
– Backed off Clinton administration’s anti-terrorism efforts.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:28 pm– Shelved the Hart-Rudman report.
– Appointed new anti-terrorism task force under Dick Cheney. Group did not even meet before 9/11.
– Called for cuts in anti-terrorism efforts by the Department of Defense.
– Gave no priority to anti-terrorism efforts by Justice Department.
– Ignored warnings from Sandy Berger, Louis Freeh, George Tennant, Paul Bremer, and Richard Clarke about the urgency of terrorist threats.
– Halted Predator drone tracking of Osama bin Laden.
– Did nothing in wake of August 6 C.I.A. report to president saying Al Qaeda attack by hijack of an airliner almost certain.
– Bush – knowing about the terrorists’ plans to attack in America, warned that terrorists were in flight schools in the US – took a four week vacation.
– By failing to order any coordination of intelligence data, missed opportunity to stop the 9/11 plot as Clinton-Gore had stopped the millennium plots.
– Blamed President Clinton for 9/11.
(Mike Hersch)
George W. Bush was arguably our worst president ever. Sure, some were do-nothings, but at least the did relatively little harm. Bush, however, was not a do-nothing. He was a liar whose war in Iraq led to the death of thousands. He richly deserves the criticism that comes his way, whether from Obama or others. “Legacy”? What legacy? In this context, Bush does not have a real legacy; he has a rap sheet.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:29 pmThanks for the understanding guys. I’ve been posting on another (sports) board this morning and I’m getting slammed.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:31 pmHume said, “Chris doesn’t represent the Bush Administration, that was my job”.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:31 pmPerry logan,
Wow, thanks for putting it all in context.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:36 pm“WALLACE: I don’t remember that exchange. (LAUGHTER)”
Selective Amnesia is a disease afflicting almost all politicians and pun-ditz.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:42 pm5th Estate Says:
Clinton inherited an actual recession from Bush41 because he inherited Reagan’s “voodoo economics” (that was Bush’s description)and then raised taxes on the middle class but not the wealthy or corporations.
Funny how most economists say that in March of 1991 the longest period of economic growth in US history began. Yet Clinton inherited a recession? No, he left one behind when he left office.
Perry logan-Interestinug post, any evidence to back that up?
April 12th, 2009 at 1:45 pmGee Just the Facts,
You’d think if you followed the news when President Cliinton was in office you might actually remember all of this stuff. But maybe you were too young, or maybe you only believe right wing propoganda.
What is it about Perry’s post you think is not true? What links do you have that would discredit it?
April 12th, 2009 at 1:50 pmechoing #30. just the facts
Perry logan -Interesting post, any evidence to back that up?
i googled it and couldn’t find a link to the original — (i was hoping for links to everyone of those points Hersh wrote down)
April 12th, 2009 at 1:51 pmHersh’s list here
April 12th, 2009 at 1:52 pmhttp://considerthefuture.com/Government/GovernmentArticles/gov2_approach.html
But but but the leader of the GnOP blames Clinton!!
Really, the hypocrisy is just over the top with these types and its going to hurt more than help them.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:55 pmGet a grip Americans! There were no hijackings, no plane crashes, and no “collapse” of the World Trade Center. The majority of the towers turned to dust in mid-air!
See the following article for details on the military’s hologram project, the media’s TV-Fakery program, and the Star Wars directed energy weapon program.
Legal proceedings are already pending in NYC Federal Court! (See Dr Wood’s site linked from article below.)
9/11: Distinguishing The Propaganda From The Smoking Guns
April 12th, 2009 at 1:56 pmABC what? I don’t watch them, they have a “news” program?
April 12th, 2009 at 1:57 pm34. the hypocrisy is just over the top with these types – its going to hurt more than help them.
but where i live (Faux News Country) they believe everything they hear on that network…they won’t even watch anything else. (kinda like all the repub congressmen i visited on Capitol Hill — every TV in their offices had Faux on — the Dems had on C-Span)
April 12th, 2009 at 2:01 pmRich H-Sorry, but when I read the same post time after time on different sites with nothing to back it up, I am a bit wary as to the accuracy. Yes, some of the things he posted have some accuracy to them, but they are not the complete story.
http://strata-sphere.com/blog/index.php/archives/1042
April 12th, 2009 at 2:05 pmjust the facts Says:
Funny how most economists say that in March of 1991 the longest period of economic growth in US history began. Yet Clinton inherited a recession? No, he left one behind when he left office.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Interestinug post, any evidence to back that up?
April 12th, 2009 at 2:06 pmYeah, just what I thought.
“just the facts” ain’t got a pot to piss in.
April 12th, 2009 at 2:21 pm“The process of transformation,” the plan (PNAC SEPTEMBER 2000) said, “is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event — like a new Pearl Harbor.”
American Free Press asked Christopher Maletz, assistant director of the PNAC about what was meant by the need for “a new Pearl Harbor.”
“They needed more money to up the defense budget for raises, new arms, and future capabilities,” Maletz said. “Without some disaster or catastrophic event” neither the politicians nor the military would have approved, Maletz said.
April 12th, 2009 at 2:22 pmHey Zooster,
Clinton inherited 7.5% unemployment and a $250 billion deficit. He turned that into 3.9% unemployment and a $250 billion surplus. And those are just the facts.
April 12th, 2009 at 2:25 pmCB Beooklyn,
I read almost all of the page you linked to. If you can suspend disbelief for the first few minutes there’s alot of information. I didn’t finish the whole page, can you tell me “why” the WTC was targeted and not a site in Bush’s axis of evil?
April 12th, 2009 at 2:26 pmI live in red state Texas and I know many conservatives that dont think FOX pundits [Beck, O'Reilly, Hannity] are reliable, in fact we agree more than we disagree on things political and what we do agree on is that pundits are self-serving controversy creators. Sure, people may watch FOX but overall, given the population of the US, the viewership is fairly small.
April 12th, 2009 at 2:27 pmKeith Says:
Hey Zooster,
Clinton inherited 7.5% unemployment and a $250 billion deficit. He turned that into 3.9% unemployment and a $250 billion surplus. And those are just the facts.
April 12th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
What HORRIBLE living conditions!
April 12th, 2009 at 2:29 pm/snark
I don’t believe there were no plane crashes. I mean you can clearly see two go into the towers. Where are the other two supposed to have gone according to “Distinguishing the Propaganda”?
April 12th, 2009 at 2:30 pmYeah, Zooster. I must have a faulty memory. I remember a lot of people having trouble getting a job in 1990, 91, and 92. Like today with thousands showing up for a few low paying jobs.
April 12th, 2009 at 2:32 pmKeith Says:
I don’t believe there were no plane crashes. I mean you can clearly see two go into the towers. Where are the other two supposed to have gone according to “Distinguishing the Propaganda”?
I once started reading some of the Loose Change stuff. If i remember correctly, the other two planes were diverted to an airport in or near Cleveland. No word on what was done with the (supposedly living) passengers. Allegedly, planes bearing the same tail numbers as the “other two planes” were spotted some time later in or near the Bahamas (or Bermuda, something like that).
I’m not suggesting I believe any of this, I’m just telling you (as best as I can recall) what one of the theories about those two planes is.
April 12th, 2009 at 2:35 pmThanks Wayne. Understand. That really stretches my credulity.
April 12th, 2009 at 2:38 pmIn the 1992 election…Clinton ran on “It’s the Economy, Stupid” and won.
George H.W. Bush didn’t know what a Checkout Scanner at the grocery store was…and… after a poll rating in the 90% following Desert Storm (the first Iraq War)….lost to Bill Clinton.
Voters went with their pocketbooks.
April 12th, 2009 at 2:38 pmEverything WAS bad before he got there, Jebby.
April 12th, 2009 at 2:42 pmOn July 25, 1996,…President Clinton asked Vice President Gore to chair a commission on improving air transportation safety. As a result, the White House Commission on Aviation Safety and Security, commonly known as the Gore Commission, conducted an in-depth analysis of the U.S. commercial airlines’ safeguards against terrorist attacks. In its final report, the Gore Commission found that security measures used by U.S. airlines were extremely inadequate, and made over fifty recommendations to improve security.
the conservative press joined the airline industry in attacking the Gore Commission report. Most of the arguments advanced by the right focused on the “cost effectiveness” of implementing the recommendations
Among the recommendations…” The FAA should work with airlines and airport consortia to ensure that all passengers are positively identified and subjected to security procedures before they board aircraft.”
So..how did the Newspapers get a photo of Mohammed Atta into the Papers so soon after the tragic terrorist attack???
HE USED HIS REAL NAME!??
April 12th, 2009 at 2:49 pmBadger,
On 9/11 airport security workers were on minimum wage dreaming of getting a job at Burger King!
April 12th, 2009 at 2:59 pmThank you, Badger. I do remember that. The airlines were requested to improve their security procedures and they threw it back in Clinton/Gore’s face, with an assist from the repukes, complaining about governmental overreach. But yeah, it was all Bill’s fault.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:20 pmWe were not left a comprehensive strategy to fight al-Qaida.
Such a lame excuse. Rice is essentially using the incompetence defense: They were not left any strategy and were too incompetent, and unimaginative to come up with their own.
So, yeah, the Bush administration didn’t blame Clinton except when they did.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:33 pmWho better to use an imcompetency excuse than Rice?
April 12th, 2009 at 3:38 pmClinton’s strategy for al-Qaeda was basic. Attack them where you find them. Hunt them down. And he did. And every time the repubes attacked him. But they never offered an alternative, they just accused him of “wagging the dog”. And Clinton left with a warning that al-Qaeda was the biggest threat they faced. And they ignored that. And they ignored all the warnings that began pouring in. And they ignored Richard Clarke, who was blue in the face, trying to get someone to listen to him. And disaster followed. They were left a comprehensive strategy, and their strategy was to ignore it, because it was the demmycrats who formulated it.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:45 pmJust recently it was scientifcly found the residue of THERMITE in the dust of the WTC towers. That proves the WTC 1,2 and 7 came down with CONTROLLED DEMOLITION.
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB! This blame game is just a distraction…
9/11 WAS AN INSIDE JOB!
April 12th, 2009 at 3:45 pmwell, it is right to blame clinton, many of his policies were cited as the motivation for the attacks, but the right wing morons aren’t coming from that angle are they ?
April 12th, 2009 at 3:49 pmAt the very least, Bush was asleep at the wheel. He ran this country into the ground, our economy is broken, the military worn and stressed, our moral standing destroyed probably for good unless we start some prosecutions soon. Clinton actually prosecuted and convicted the perps of the first Trade Center bombing while Bush and his GOP backers started 2 wars, at least one illegal, broke long standing treaties and American and International laws, pillaged the US Treasury to the benefit of WAR PROFITEERS, created a massive sink hole of legal/illegal nightmares. I suspect anybody who defends Bushco of being a traitor.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:53 pmI suppose it will be a matter of seconds before the assclowns at faux start blaming obama for bin laden remaining free almost eight years after the attack
April 12th, 2009 at 4:09 pmsacopenapa: Just google “Zeithgeist the Movie” and watch the segments on 9-11.
Then do a search on flight 93 that supposedly went down in Shanksville PA.
April 12th, 2009 at 4:19 pmAnders,
And it might be right to blame Eisenhower (R) because we left military bases in Saudi Arabia after WWII and his admin. helped with the coup that put the Shah of Iran in power.
Then again, it could be Reagan who expanded our military presence in Saudi Arabia.
Hard to tell. For sure it wasn’t Clinton, but keep thinking that if it makes you happy.
April 12th, 2009 at 4:25 pmlink
Of course, under George W. Bush, FEMA couldn’t handle a flood.
April 12th, 2009 at 4:59 pmIt’s half clintons fault, but half bush’s.
April 12th, 2009 at 5:59 pmThe best word I can think or to describe the GOoPers is “panic”. Desperate, terror-driven, panic.
Their attempts to hang Chimpy’s failures on President Obama have failed. No new disasters have occurred. And there are some signs that sane leadership has stabilized our economic free fall. After 8 years of bat-scat insanity, normalcy is the official policy of our nation and the Reichwhiners can’t deal with it.
I expect we will see natural selection work at an increasing rate. As the number of GOoPers dwindles, the increased rabidness of the remainder will drive even more away.
April 12th, 2009 at 6:03 pmNo, Progressive Republican. Bush was the president. He had been warned by many people, and he chose to ignore those warnings.
April 12th, 2009 at 6:03 pmre: Progressive Republican,
Since I can’t put the blame squarely where it belongs maybe it will sound reasonable if I say it’s half Clintons and half Bushs fault.
Ah, no it’s not reasonable. The Super Genius Brain Trust in the Bush whitehouse chose to ignore any and all warnings. Pretty simple. If Bush had chosen to implement Anything as a way to thwart terrorist activities then he would earn some slack. But he did Nothing.
April 12th, 2009 at 6:12 pmRich: I put together all that information (linked again here for the convenience of others) to help people understand what’s really going on, and how the 9/11 criminals use the media to push 9/11 propaganda (i.e. thermite, explosives, stand down orders, etc), and how they hide the real evidence of their high-tech weapons (directed energy weapons, holograms, TV-Fakery, weather control, etc).
I don’t mind you didn’t read the whole thing; there’s a lot of stuff there, and the info at the end is not what one would want to know. (Still, I included it as an example of a so-called “conspiracy theory” that’s really true.) Did you see the Washington Post link from 1999 that talks about the military’s hologram project? They said the military has the ability to project an image of Allah over Baghdad.
I believe the Twin Towers were built for the purpose of being destroyed decades later. Not everyone holds this opinion though.
Still, GWB’s brother (or cousin) was connected in some way to the WTC’s security company.
It would have cost Larry Silverstein (lease owner of the WTC) billions of dollars to remove the asbestos from the towers.
Did you know that only buildings with a WTC prefix were destroyed on 9/11? WTC 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7. All seven buildings were destroyed.
Those buildings housed some sensitive offices, including the CIA and Secret Service. I read somewhere that WTC 7 was the home of Enron documents.
In short, the entire “official” story of 9/11 is nothing but a joke. (A guy from a cave in Afghanistan conspiring with 19 boxcutter wielding Muslims to hijack planes and outwit our entire multi-trillion dollar defense system.)
Also, the “official” “alternate” story is a joke too. (The towers “collapsing” from explosives and thermite, NORAD standing down after planes were hijacked, etc.)
The only story that fits the actual EVIDENCE is the one of truth. (Hi tech weapons were used. Holograms of planes, TV-Fakery, directed energy weapons turning most of the towers to powder, etc).
April 12th, 2009 at 6:17 pmCrystal always has that “i know you know i’m lying, but i’m going to lie anyway cause it’s the path of least resistance and i’m getting tired” look to him now. It’s depressing.
April 12th, 2009 at 6:49 pmI still think the simplest explanation is the most likely.
Rather than admit any degree of liability, the U.S. government virtually declined comment since Day 1. The buildings fell because skyscrapers fall when a commercial jet hits them. The builders knew that and (here’s that pesky liability thing again) are compelled to decline comment.
It seems entirely possible that everyone involved is convinced it happened just like the official story says because that’s what happened. There was no reason to have independent investigators examine every piece of rubble because those responsible know very well that a jet can bring down a skyscraper.
The official release of that knowledge has two drawbacks. It’s bad enough that bad people are now convinced it will work beyond their darkest dreams, the last thing we need is more “how to manuals”. And then there’s that pesky liability, again.
Now. If one insists on seeing a conspiracy? I would bet that any shenanigans were to conceal faults in material and/or workmanship that may have made the disaster worse. The world being what it is I wouldn’t be surprised to find a pencil in place of every other rivet in any structure.
I didn’t get a degree in architecture but I considered an architecture major and took a couple related courses. There are a couple thousand possible reasons, most of them honest and valid, to avoid more in depth examination of a building’s remains and none of them require holograms, hypothetical weapons, or mass hypnosis.
April 12th, 2009 at 6:51 pmHi CB,
I didn’t mean not to read all of it, but there’s a lot of links so if I follow them all it’s quite lengthy. I frankly would believe anything that could be proved. I don’t for one minute believe anything official coming from our government (i.e. the Warren Report).
April 12th, 2009 at 6:53 pmcrystal: “i know i’m lying but quite frankly, it’s more comfortable than facing the truth right now” “In fact, as long as i don’t think about it, i’m quite comfortable indeed.”
April 12th, 2009 at 6:53 pmPerry logan, 24
You have beautifully put the difference between an effective president and an ineffective president. I think the real irony of the story is the congress. The successful president had this very same bunch of Republican Conservatives to deal with and Clinton was quite successful. Bush had the same Republican Conservatives and he turned into a dismal failure.
I think it is fair to assume Republican Conservative does not translate into good government.
Overstating the obvious flight
April 12th, 2009 at 6:58 pmRichard Clarke said Clinton did quite a bit in going after al Qaeda and it totally ended when the Bush administration came in. He said he could not even get a meeting.
April 12th, 2009 at 7:05 pm“Hard to tell. For sure it wasn’t Clinton, but keep thinking that if it makes you happy.”
Clintons sanctions, which were pretty brutal by any yard stick, and his bombing of Iraq (a air strike on average of 1 every 3 days aaccording to jeremy Scahill) was one of the grievances which was listed, as well as US military bases on holy land in saudi arabia.
and I never said he was soley responsible, but his polices helped Bin laden recruit those men to fly those planes into the wtc, have you forgotten about Madeliane allbright saying she thought 500 THOUSAND Iraqi children dead from the sanctions was “worth it” ?
April 12th, 2009 at 7:10 pmIraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
April 12th, 2009 at 7:15 pmIraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
April 12th, 2009 at 7:22 pmAnders,
If you want to go back in time I suggest Eisenhower and Reagan. Let’s see, they were also pissed because Carter tried to get a lasting peace with Israel and it’s neighbors. But they were o.k. with Reagan giving arms for hostages but not o.k. with the military bases in Saudi Arabia. How about arming the Taliban (who gave free access for training facilities to Al Queda) to fight the Soviets – oh yeah, that was Reagan again. Let’s see, I’m sure if I’ll come up with something that will show Clinton was responsible for ALL of the republicans fuc* ups.
April 12th, 2009 at 7:38 pmIraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
April 12th, 2009 at 8:52 pmGreat reality-based comments.
I don’t buy the Bush-orchestrated-9/11 conspiracy idea and we all know any Bush defender is a troll, probably blogging out of the Faux News basement, but all other comments show an excellent grasp of the facts, plus some excellent links.
Perry logan’s post about (and sc mom’s link) to Mike Hersch’s article clarifies how vigilant the Clinton administration was, and how criminally ignorant and negligent the George W. Bush administration was relative to the right-wing religious fundamentalist terrorist threat.
And wiley’s article excerpt from 9/12/2001 makes it quite clear that the Bush administration took their eye completely off the terrorist ball, literally laying out a welcome mat for the 9/11 hijackers.
For instance, we learned from the 9/11 Commission Report that Condi Rice held only ONE cabinet-level counter-terrorism principal’s meeting ONE WEEK before the 9/11 attacks (and about one month after the infamous August 6th PDB), while on the other hand Richard Clarke, Clinton’s counter-terrorism chief, held three such meetings a week, at which law enforcement and intelligence agency heads pooled their information on the right-wing religious fundamentalist terrorist threat, thwarting countless terrorist attacks, as Mike Hersch noted.
So, it is quite obvious that in 2001 if the incoming Bush administration over its first eight months in office had practiced the same level of vigilance that the outgoing Clinton administration had practiced vigorously and diligently concerning the right-wing terrorist threat, then in all likelihood the 9/11 attacks wouldn’t have happened at all or at least would have been mitigated in some manner…and that’s a fact, Jack.
April 12th, 2009 at 9:28 pmKristol is nothing but a sheit stain on someones shoe! This is the same guy who STILL cheerleads the false justifications of the Iraq war. He knows nothing about everything!
April 12th, 2009 at 10:35 pmWilliam Kristol has a sickening smirk that puts George W. Bush’s sickening smirk to shame.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:10 pmCB_Brooklyn, you’re still pushing space beams and holograms? no wonder people don’t want to look deeper into 9/11… it’s because people like you attempt to turn into a cesspool of UFOs and yeti.
credible sources:
April 12th, 2009 at 11:39 pmhttp://www.911truth.org/article.php?story=20050204132153814
http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project
http://www.journalof911studies.com/
The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11
what else don’t we know about september 11th, 2001?
April 12th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
CB_Brooklyn Says:
I believe the Twin Towers were built for the purpose of being destroyed decades later. Not everyone holds this opinion though.
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The engineers who built the towers built them to withstand planes hitting them. A good site is: http://www.garlicandgrass.org/issue6/Dave_Heller.cfm
April 13th, 2009 at 12:43 amFix: The engineers who designed not built.
April 13th, 2009 at 12:45 amCB_Brooklyn,
** WTC 7 “Pulled” ** – Larry Silverstein, owner of WTC 7, referred to this building in a PBS documentary titled “America Rebuilds”, and said: “I remember getting a call from the fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, ‘We’ve had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.’ And they made that decision to pull and then we watched the building collapse.”
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In order to “pull it” the building would’ve had to have been rigged to be detonated, correct? Why would he admit it was ready to be demolished? Did Silverstein get himself caught up in a huge blunder or am I missing something?
April 13th, 2009 at 12:53 amjust the facts Says:
No Clinton did NOT leave a recession behind. The recession began in APRIL of 2001. Your statement was a bald faced lie.
April 13th, 2009 at 2:19 amHume seems obsessed with the idea that his hero Dumbya will somehow NOT be remembered as the most pathetically incompetent disgrace ever to buy his way into office.
Fortunately for Humes’ legacy, he WILL be remembered as the ultimate sycophant for the most criminally destructive administration in the history of the country.
Just looking at his bitter, self righteous, surly mug makes me want to punch his specious, haggard ass face in.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:35 amPerry logan:
Bravo; too bad for the GOP the logical display of facts and history only makes them crave the return of the reanimated Reagan zombie.
Can’t wait for Gingrich/Palin in 2012.
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