Dobson concedes that the far right has ‘lost’ the culture war.
Dobson concedes that the far right has ‘lost’ the culture war.
In a farewell address to the staff of Focus on the Family, James Dobson conceded that evangelical conservatives had lost most of the recent so-called “culture war” battles. Attributing the right’s recent failures to the “internet” and the election of Bill Clinton, Dobson said, “Humanly speaking, we can say that we have lost.” He added that the nation is now “absolutely awash in evil“:
The battles that we fought in the Eighties now, we were victorious in many of those conflicts with the culture, trying to defend righteousness, trying to defend the unborn child, trying to preserve the dignity of the family and the definition of marriage. We fought all those battles and really it was a holding action. [...]
[W]e made a lot of progress through the Eighties but then we turned into the Nineties and the internet came along and a new president came along and all of that went away and now we are absolutely awash in evil. And we are right now in the most discouraging period of that long conflict. Humanly speaking, we can say that we have lost all those battles, but God is in control and we are not going to give up now, right?
Steve Benen writes, “[W]hether Dobson and his cohorts give up now or not, his assessment about their lack of success is nevertheless accurate.”
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Yes, but on the brighter side, they’ve surely won the homophobic bigoted dumbass war. Hands down. Darlyy?
April 12th, 2009 at 10:14 amHatred and bigotry are unsustainable philosophies.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:16 amC’mon, Jimmy! Always look on the brigher side of life!
April 12th, 2009 at 10:16 amBy refering to the internet, what Dobson is saying is that the right lost the so-called culture war because people have enough information, from multiple sources to understand that the right is wrong, at least among those people who know how read and care to practice that skill.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:19 amI always tell the religious nuts in my life “It must be The Lord’s will.”. It makes them uncomfortable and they really don’t have anything to counter it.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:24 amCrucifixion? Good. Line on the left, one cross each…..
April 12th, 2009 at 10:25 amDr. Dobson,
I would say that your first mistake was to frame the entire situation as a “war”. Because with a “war” framework came all the violent imagery and hate-filled rhetoric, and I would suggest that it was that violence and hate that turned people away from you and your message.
I would say your second mistake was to describe your opponents as “evil”. This was a polarizing, rather than a unifying, tactic and it probably cost you the support of people in the middle. Like many other failed right wing strategies, rather than try to appeal to the middle, you chose to solidify your base.
And I would say your third mistake was to assume that the entire nation wanted to be like you, and that they should accept your views on what God wants people to do. This also cost you support.
Dr. Dobson, if you think that your way of living is what’s needed to get into Heaven, then all I can say is that a majority of the country disagrees with you.
Lastly, Dr. Dobson, I want to wish you and yours a Happy Easter.
P.S. I hope you aren’t trying to blame this on Clinton, are you? Because that would be mistake number four.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:25 amSo… if I understand correctly… It’s Bill Clinton’s fault, and eight years of an evangelical Christianist in the White House with a pliant Republican (the Good Guys™) Congress in the first decade of this new century, not to mention “T-Warriors” in the media like Bill O’Reilly and Glenn Beck with their “skyrocketing ratings” weren’t enough to turn the tide in this culture war?
I’d say you gave it your best shot, Dr. Dobson, and God just wasn’t on your side.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:32 amThe worst thing in the world happened to the Right–they got into power.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:38 amP.S. Dobson,
when you think you are deserving of all the material wealth you enjoy over your flock and some of them start to wish they had some of what you have… somethings gotta give if you espouse the Gospel of Wealth, its anti-Christian whether you want to accept that or not.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:38 amThe supreme arrogance of these charlatans pretending to be speaking for God and God’s will is what appalls me most. Christ is portrayed in the gospels as a humble man who embraced the weak, the poor, the “sinner.” The only anger Christ showed was at the moneylenders and sanctimonious religious hypocrites. Dobson and his ilk learned nothing from Christ.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:39 amGood riddance to bad rubbage. Discrimination against gays & lesbians still exists and people like Dobson continue to fan the flames of hatred. We’re not going back to the past. Women should have the right to choose whether they want children. Get over it Dobson – we won’t have our rights stripped away. Thank goodness people have the sense to know what’s right and how to get the facts. Where does Dobson get off referring to our nation as being “awash in evil?” There are alot of sickos right in the church – some churches are like mental hospitals.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:39 amralph the wonder locust Says:
I’d say you gave it your best shot, Dr. Dobson, and God just wasn’t on your side.
Dobbie has some re-thinking to do. Based on results, the possibilities are:
1. God doesn’t exist.
2. God doesn’t give a damn what Dobbie and his friends want, and probably doesn’t give a damn about anyone else either.
3. God approves of sex of all kinds, and has no investment in embryos. In other words, Dobbie is on the wrong side.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:41 amWell I am sure they will get it back when they start putting each other’s b@lls in their mouths, holding the biggest “teabagging” event in world history.
Nothing like a bunch of sore-loser closet homosexuals publicly celebrating their man love lips-to-testicles to rally the wingnut troops.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:43 amA 55% divorce rate among heterosexual marriages is somehow a victory in the culture of the 80’s? 2/3 of married partners cheat in a heterosexual marriage, yet that’s what we want to preserve and protect? WTF? What am I missing?
April 12th, 2009 at 10:50 ammemo to dobson:
April 12th, 2009 at 10:52 amyou lost because hate does not sell.
#15 – I am sure they won’t stop with teabagging… There is bound to be some rusty trombones and dirty sanchezs as well..
April 12th, 2009 at 10:52 amdid dobson come to this conclusion before or after he bankrupted focus on the family’s coffers?
April 12th, 2009 at 10:53 amFor a man of the Christian faith, he espouses a lot of bigoted religious hate………Just like Jesus,NOT.These Reich Wing nut jobs no nothing of Jesus and what he preached because they hate everything that is not white, Reich(right) and wealthy and Jesus was all of peace and forgiveness.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:53 amDidn’t one of his guys just get himself arrested for arranging to have sex with a minor via the internet?
April 12th, 2009 at 10:53 amperhaps dobson should move his operation to saudi arabia where i am sure he will find happiness: women aren’t allowed out of the house unless wearing a burka, it’s illegal for them to drive and they jail homosexuals.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:56 amBozo The Neocootiebug Says:
memo to dobson:
April 12th, 2009 at 10:57 amyou lost because hate does not sell.
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You took the words right out of everyone’s mouth!They live off of hate and fear about same sex marriage,race and working and middle class people because we are not like them, SHEEPLE.
Bozo The Neocootiebug Says:
perhaps dobson should move his operation to saudi arabia where i am sure he will find happiness: women aren’t allowed out of the house unless wearing a burka, it’s illegal for them to drive and they jail homosexuals.
That sounds like a perfect solution, except that the right doesn’t “get” irony.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:58 amDobson doesn’t get it — he appeals to his base by saying they have lost the “war” but it was people like himself who declared this imaginary war.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:59 amFrom their pulpits, the religious right have preached misogyny and homphobia, while instilling unwarranted fears in the minds of their flock regarding Muslims and other religions. In the face of all evidence to the contrary, they have denied science from carbon dating to test tubes and climate change.
Their narrow views on politics and their unending pressure to turn our secular nation into a theocracy have been detrimental to the freedoms and liberty guaranteed to all Americans.
I don’t think this is a white flag from Dobson – he and his ilk have not given up their “war” – I think this is a way to rally his sheeple.
I disagree. I think Dobson and Company have been mostly victorious. They had 8 years of the idiot Bush, a “glorious” Iraq war, the criminalization of marijuana, the ongoing militarization of American culture and Fox News.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:00 amfrom my point of view they missed the teachings of christ.
who supported these wars for profits the most?
who is the most self righteous?
jesus had the most problems with the religious of his day. they have missed that point the most.
there are many things wrong in america but I doubt religion is the answer.
maybe spiritual awareness as we learn from karma.
we are gods in the making and we all get there some of us take longer than others.
the repubs are at lower levels of soul development.
this is why they are so difficult to understand. like they live on a different planet with different views of reality. bush jr a classic example as cheney.
few will understand my words, very few.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:01 ami can’t help but noticing what a wonderful easter present this is: the word of the prince of peace trouncing the words of the king of hate
April 12th, 2009 at 11:02 amcorsair Says:
I disagree. I think Dobson and Company have been mostly victorious. They had 8 years of the idiot Bush, a “glorious” Iraq war, the criminalization of marijuana, the ongoing militarization of American culture and Fox News.
And I respectfully disagree with you. What Dobson and his ilk (such a perfect word) wanted, they didn’t get. They did a poor job of displaying the righteousness they wanted the rest of us to exhibit, abortion is still legal, and gays are not being shot on sight. In those goals, they definitely failed.
But as for the other stuff you mentioned, that wasn’t Dobson’s success, that was Rove’s. Rove used Dobson and the Christian Right to get us “8 years of the idiot Bush, a “glorious” Iraq war, the criminalization of marijuana, the ongoing militarization of American culture and Fox News.”
April 12th, 2009 at 11:04 am“I disagree. I think Dobson and Company have been mostly victorious. They had 8 years of the idiot Bush, a “glorious” Iraq war, the criminalization of marijuana, the ongoing militarization of American culture and Fox News.”
this is what our framers of our consitution feared the most with religion. and it has come to pass in america.
we have become imperialists all the while claiming to be a christian nation.
who are the worst imperialists? the religious of course the very people that claim to be followers of christ. go figure.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:04 amIn your face bit! Even Dobie the House Freak knows it…
April 12th, 2009 at 11:05 amI for one am hoping that Daryll will see this story, sigh and then give himself permission to come out of the closet and be who he really is.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:05 amAs a non religious person who stands somewhere between being a Deist and Unitarian the Reich Wing has sadly mistaken religion for politics because somewhere in the Constitution it says we are a christian nation, despite what the first amendment says, henceforth their Theocracy.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:06 amTwo things:
1. Do you think that, somewhere behind all this palaver about tea-bagging, is a really bad practical joke gone awry, like some terrible high school-age meme? Or perhaps it’s a video gamer- one who, when he kills you, he decides to celebrate by tea-bagging. So either way, maybe it’s a pimply-faced little kid who’s been giggling about this the whole time.
2. I don’t think Dobson gets that you can’t fight progress. I feel like I’ve read this very same blurb somewhere else- maybe a translation of a transcript from Osama bin Laden?
April 12th, 2009 at 11:07 am“… we have lost all those battles, but God is in control…”
Kinda sounds like God did not want you to win those battles.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:07 am“…we are absolutely awash in evil.”
Yes, we are, but you conservatives are getting fewer and fewer, so maybe someday we can be rid of you evil morons.
Oh, and Dodson, there is no such thing as GOD, it is made up, all of it, and by Ancient Superstitious Goat Herders, yeah, Got Herders who thought the world was flat.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:09 amI’m just thankful that my family isn’t one that his hatemonger crowd focused on.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:09 amTo all my Xian friends out on the tubes, Happy Easter! I remember arguing vehemently in sixth grade with the nuns that Easter can’t be the most important religious event, cause if Christmas hadn’t happened, there wouldn’t be any Christ to rise from the dead.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:12 amScored me lots of ruler/knuckle points.
Happy Frickin’ Easter
April 12th, 2009 at 11:12 am
James 5
April 12th, 2009 at 11:16 am1 Go to now, ye rich men, weep and howl for your miseries that shall come upon you. 2 Your riches are corrupted, and your garments are motheaten. 3 Your gold and silver is cankered; and the rust of them shall be a witness against you, and shall eat your flesh as it were fire. Ye have heaped treasure together for the last days. 4 Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth. 5 Ye have lived in pleasure on the earth, and been wanton; ye have nourished your hearts, as in a day of slaughter. 6 Ye have condemned and killed the just; and he doth not resist you.
gummble-bee-itch, my most memorable Easter sunday was in DaNang in 69, I volunteered for CQ, and sat across the muddy road from the battalion chapel, listening to the hymns rise up from the choir, whle the ground was shaking ever so slightly from the carpet bombing runs inland about 12 miles west…Irony, thy name is religion.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:18 amI have no doubt that most Americans are stupid. As a result, Dobson and his ilk will ride again. Don’t believe me? Then watch this…
http://vodpod.com/watch/1518306-brit-nails-fox?pod
That’s YOUR country, America. Are ya proud??? LMAO!!
April 12th, 2009 at 11:19 amYeah, God is in charge and can’t stand these morons.
The American Taliban is the great evil.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:22 amThe Bible is just chock full of love and more love…
April 12th, 2009 at 11:25 amSo will that idiot Bozell be at the armistice signing? That dude needs to so much learn how to use the remote…
April 12th, 2009 at 11:25 amlook out bill-o now that we’ve won the culture war, we can focus all of our efforts on christmas bbwwwahahhahahahahaahaha. bwoooohahahhaahhahahahahaahah.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:28 amSo does this mean he’s going to start cleaning up the mess he made? He can start in Pittsburg, where there are three families whose fathers are dead because of right wing hate…
April 12th, 2009 at 11:32 amNow that we know that the right lost the so-called culture war, and right believes in the Divine, then that must mean that the Divine Being disagrees with them. If the right was right, then they should have won.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:37 amHe added that the nation is now “absolutely awash in evil“:
April 12th, 2009 at 11:40 am……………..
U have no idea …. lets look at Easter for instance .Easter is an ancient pre christian holiday , named for Astarte a goddess .
Pagan fertility rituals rabbits… eggs ….but don’t get HYSTERerical ….. ……….Hyster …hysterectomy ……hysterical ….womb .
Easter …. aster …… astarte ….
Sun….. son…… worship
Awash in evil? Do you mean still soaking wet from the evil perpetrated by the regime that just left?
How many people would Jesus torture? What kind of people tortured Jesus?
April 12th, 2009 at 11:44 amThe truth shall let you free!
- Internet
April 12th, 2009 at 11:44 amThe 3 kings followed the eastern star (sirius) to the place where the sun is born ….
April 12th, 2009 at 11:45 amThe 3 kings are stars in Orions belt which line up with sirius and point to the place where the sun is born …. the winter solstice …. WHere it seems to remain for 3 days at before again moving in the opposite direction toward the summer equinox .
Humanly speaking, divine intervention swooped down and bytch slapped the hell out of your lying ass.
Go awash away.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:48 amYawn,
Another GOP (Grumpy Old Person) who cannot accept that the world has changed!
April 12th, 2009 at 11:48 am<emCrucifixion? Good. Line on the left, one cross each…..
Always nice to see a Monty Python reference when religion is the topic! Thanks!
April 12th, 2009 at 11:49 amThe symbol for christianity is the fish , the disciples fishermen are made fishers of men ….. a clear reference to Pieces .
April 12th, 2009 at 11:49 amAT the last supper (passover ) the disciples ask where shall we celebrate the next passover to which Jesus answers you will be in a town and will see a man carrying a water jug who will enter a house …. follow him into the house ….
Aquarius
I don’t think that Dr. Dobson is implying that he’s awash in evil, so he must be talking about other people—-and that sir, is judging. When you set out to do “God’s will” by disobeying His written word, then you shouldn’t be surprised if things don’t work out. All Jesus ever asked of you was to live your life with love and to manage your own life. When people start trying to rip the mote out of other people’s eyes, they usually do a poor job of it because the tree in their own eye makes it hard to see. If the Christian right actually lived the life of love that Jesus displayed instead of trying to force their views on others, more people would be attracted to Jesus because the fruits of love would be so sweet. It takes more love to accept another person as they are and trust that God is reaching out to their hearts, as much as he is reaching out to yours, than it does to pray fervently——that they will do just what you say they should do. God doesn’t prevent us from praying unwisely, but unwise prayers aren’t the most powerful either.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:53 amZeitgeist ,if you haven’t seen it ,is an excellent film with great comparisons between The myth of Jesus and the myths of many other religions from the ME whose messiahs and attributes are INCREDIBLY similar .
April 12th, 2009 at 11:56 amhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNf-P_5u_Hw&feature=related
This is not the death of religion in my opinion only the absurd literal interpretation of it .
April 12th, 2009 at 12:00 pmJesus spoke in parables ……. He who has ears to hear … let him hear .
Sun day is Gods day !
April 12th, 2009 at 12:07 pm* with apologies to any seventh-day Adventists who might be in the audience .
Maybe he lost the ulture war, but it seems to be we were “awash in evil” when he and his cronies were the ones running the show … promoting their twisted, bogus version of Christianity and stifling those who truly live according to what Jesus taught.
Dobson only has one god and its symbol is neither a cross nor a crucifix; its symbol is “$” and its scripture is printed on green pieces of paper adorned with dead Presidents.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:07 pmEvangelical Christians think that God is a white, middle class, neoconservative, American male who’s goal is to punish every man, woman, and child who stands in the way of their extreme, right wing Empire.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:08 pmDoes this mean that we will never ever have to listen to or hear from this bigoted Cheneyhole again?
April 12th, 2009 at 12:08 pmI enjoy sinning!
April 12th, 2009 at 12:09 pmCurlew Says:
Does this mean that we will never ever have to listen to or hear from this bigoted Cheneyhole again?
April 12th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
From your mouth to FSM’s ‘ears’. ;)
April 12th, 2009 at 12:11 pmAdios .
April 12th, 2009 at 12:11 pmpax
April 12th, 2009 at 12:11 pmwho doesn’t…
we need a loon to swing by and get this party started…
April 12th, 2009 at 12:12 pmdbadass, we’ll probably have to wait until RR/Daryll gets out of church.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:15 pmCitizens around the world have defeated fascism many times.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:22 pmMaybe Dobson is finally realizing he is on the wrong side of history?
Dobson is not the first person, nor will he be the last, to blame all of today’s “evils” on societal progress and advancements in technology.
Perhaps he would be more at home if he moved to Lancaster County, PA.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:22 pmPeople are rejecting Dobson’s Christian evil and its fellow Christians that are doing the rejecting. Coast to coast.
Science will win the day. Humanism will win the day. Secularism and the rule of law will win the day. Hope and equality will win the day.
Dobson, thanks to those who used to follow him blindly but who are now opening their eyes, see him for what he truly represents. Pure hate. Pure evil.
Dobson and his ilk are now free to go by the way of the inquisition and slavery. A tragic and significant but none-the-less past part of our nation’s history.
Amen.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:26 pmWill never happen. People like Dobson are incapable of recognizing their mistakes. That’s why their faith is so rigid. They need that certainty to protect themselves.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:27 pm>>>
that “dobbie” dobson.
he’s just punkin’ the flock.
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April 12th, 2009 at 12:29 pmPimping the flock , me thinks .
April 12th, 2009 at 12:35 pmHey Dobbie, forget all that intolerance, Think Progress!
April 12th, 2009 at 12:39 pmA month ago , touring the Alhambra in Granada Spain, the last stronghold of the moors (Muslims) on the Iberian peninsula, with my family , I learned a bit more about the Love of organized Christianity .
April 12th, 2009 at 12:51 pmFor 800 years the moors lived in peace with Christians , Jews and Zoroastrians in a civilization which produced incredible architecture ,our number system , advances in medicine and philosophy at a time when European Christians didn’t read or wash and lived in huts .
In western Europe all the learning of the Greeks and Romans even the recipe for concrete was lost after the collapse of Rome .We reinherited our culture from the Muslims through the Crusades and the reconquista while practicing Christians killed them .
The conquistadors were hardened veteran before coming to the new world . Blood fresh on their swords from the annihilation of one civilization , The Muslim Omayads the proceeded with Gods blessing to destroy the Aztec and Incas .
The Spanish Inquisition was instituted to take care of anyone who wasn’t Catholic after Ferdinand and Isabella claimed their prize .
Dobson only brought Satanic EVIL to America, he didn’t fight it.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:52 pmAP: April 12, 2009 9:20 AM EST
April 12th, 2009 at 12:52 pmSTOCKHOLM – Parishioners at a church in Sweden celebrated Easter on Sunday by unveiling a 6-foot-tall (1.8-meter-tall) statue of Jesus that they had built out of 30,000 Lego blocks.
dbadass Says:
we need a loon to swing by and get this party started…
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db,
dobbie may be more right that he knows.
even proud isn’t standing up for the preacher man.
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and there’s zero troll action.
ahhh, the white flag of surrender.
we win again.
:)
April 12th, 2009 at 12:52 pmThese are the same faith-based bullies and hypocrites who believe the earth is somewhere between 6,000 and 10,000 years old despite the fact that it’s actually 4,500,000,000 years old.
It’s always amazed me that the believers who claim to live their lives by the living words of one of the multiple interpretations of the bible pick and choose which words ARE and ARE NOT to be interpreted literally.
The “explanation” that the word “years” may not mean 365 24 hour days is self-contradictory and an admission that the bible IS NOT a literal document but one that is literally dependent on the reader’s subjective interpretation rather than a verbatim dissemination of the objective universal living words of god.
And, by the way, why should a book that has been interpreted and translated numerous times from numerous languages by numerous biased and fallible human beings over a period of more than 2,000 years be necessary as proof and or a justification of religious faith? When faith itself is so completely ethereal, why do so many people need to draw comfort and or proof of anything, let alone argue about the true meanings of the words in a book?
If people are true in their beliefs, they should live them rather than debate them. Therein lies the hypocrisy of Christianity and religion in general. It’s not a competition or a popularity contest or proving your god is the one true god. And it’s certainly not a political, cultural or societal weapon.
The vast majority of religious believers who place so much emphasis on a bible/book neither faithfully practice their so-called beliefs nor do they project the temperament, values or spiritual enlightenment that all bibles/books of religion contain. Where in any interpretation of and bible/book does it suggest that god wants people to use their religious faith as a tool, weapon and or political litmus test? The “Christians” who do that aren’t just misinterpreting the words of the bible, they are perverting them into political/cultural sledge hammers of unrighteousness.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:52 pmProtestantism was responsible in North America for the genocide of the American Indian ….. coast to coast !
April 12th, 2009 at 12:53 pmSpace Ghost?
April 12th, 2009 at 12:55 pm“the internet came along and a new president came along and all of that went away and now we are absolutely awash in evil.”
Fundamentalists always regard knowledge and inquiry “evil,” because, according to their creation myth, humans were thrown out of Eden for daring to eat of the Tree of Knowledge, which was the one tree forbade them to eat from.
April 12th, 2009 at 12:55 pmInteresting point. Are there other faiths whose dogma scorns knowledge?
April 12th, 2009 at 1:03 pmI wouldn’t be surprised if it turns out that Daddy Dobson saying the far right has lost the culture war, merely means that he thinks they need to step things up — make it a real war.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:05 pmMany followers of faith practice with pureness of heart, and goodwill.
You can’t love God without loving your neighbor.
Outsiders judge a religion’s truthfulness by its goodness. Does it make better people, or only make people think they are better than others? Does it unify or divide? Does it assert privilege over others, or show respect toward others?
Sadly, most are unable to achieve such beneficence.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:06 pmGood riddance to bigoted rubbish….
Dobson is the one who’s evil.
Just one of the many greedy evangelists.
MAKE AN DONATION , MAKE AN DONATION , MAKE AN DONATION
that’s all these people say!
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/greedy.htm
http://alice.bigbig.com/
April 12th, 2009 at 1:07 pmfreeman Says:
Protestantism was responsible in North America for the genocide of the American Indian ….. coast to coast !
And Catholicism in Mexico, the Caribbean, Central, and South America.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:07 pmDobson perverted Christianity! Christ stood for love, Dobson, not so much. The fear and hate-mongering did the phoney Dobson in. The evil, yes, of the phoney right-wingnut Christians.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:08 pmHe added that the nation is now “absolutely awash in evil“
He’s right about that, and the evil is the Republican party and their evangelical base.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:20 pmGood. Can we be done with James Dobson now?
April 12th, 2009 at 1:24 pmThe more people learn the less they are buying what the religious right is trying to sell. Of course people like Dobson see education as an evil because it means less money for him.
April 12th, 2009 at 1:37 pmIn honor of Easter:
Founding fathers and mothers left us a mandate
We’ve got to separate the church and the state
So get your head straight before it’s too late
And you drop it in the plate, you must appreciate
Jesus and money make a man speak in tongues
Scream out his lungs, roll in the dung
And when the song is sung, he moves up another rung
And the deaf and the dumb are the ones who get stung
Here comes the sex police, they’re at your bedroom door
Movin’ in next door, searchin’ from floor to floor
You know what they’re lookin’ for
Someone’s always keepin’ score every time you dip the oar
Love isn’t fun no more
Fascist christ, come to the rescue
Gimme that old time religion, here it comes
Let’s get fundamental about this strange philosophy
In which God and man are enemies
In which there is no serenity unless you happen to believe
Precisely what they want you to believe, and no diversity
Come join the army and learn the noises
That drown out the others’ voices and please the devil
Who rejoices when mankind has no choices
And power exploits us, and peace avoids us
Guess who to the rescue on a holy mission
To uphold the tradition of the spanish inquisition
And preempt your decision by forcing your confession
Now let that be a lesson
Who do you think you’re messin’ with?
Somebody took our God away
–Todd Rundgren/ Fascist Christ
April 12th, 2009 at 1:38 pm“Humans had long recognized that lightning had a propensity
for striking the tallest landmarks in its vicinity…
and so the exaggerated height of church steeples…not to mention their flammable wooden construction…presented a puzzling but undeniable reality:
the Almighty seemed to have a perverse appetite for burning down the buildings erected in his honor.”
from The Invention of Air, by Steven Johnson
April 12th, 2009 at 2:13 pmI don’t think that the values are the bulk of the problem. I think it’s that the extreme right wing values are embraced by the same types of people that wished we could go back to the times of forced segregation, ethnocentrism, and other types of pointless discrimination. IF these people were so Christian, they would know that they are to love everyone in the world as Christ has loved them. That means that it’s NOT okay to verbally or physically abuse people because they are gay, ethnic/racial minority, non-Christian, or not an American citizen. These are things that people with a conscience would consider wrong.
April 12th, 2009 at 2:34 pmBadger Says:
April 12th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Ha! Great line! I saw Steven Johnson’s interview on Colbert recently, really interesting. The book sounds good, Badger.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:06 pmI believe in God. I believe in evil. This man, is one of the most evil men on the face of the earth. Just how much, pain, suffering and death does this man need to cause before the world really understands that for him it is all about power and money.
As Lenny Bruce used to say, “Any minister that has more than 1 suit is a Hustler.”
Deblacksmith
April 12th, 2009 at 3:10 pmChristianity has as much validity as Scientology, witchcraft, or satan worshipping. All are based on a bunch of voodoo, black magic, and superstitious nonsense.
Well, what do you think? Pretty outrageous statement, eh?
What you are experiencing is some of the pain, anger, and outrage felt by the homosexual community when their lifestyle is equated with pedophilia or bestiality.
Of course, you will no doubt claim that your comparisons are justified whereas the other one is not. Just further evidence of the holier-than-thou self-righteousness, prejudice, and hypocrisy of the so-called “religious right”.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:22 pmosage #81
Amen
April 12th, 2009 at 3:23 pmThis is an interesting insight, sort of a God wants us to be stupid theology.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:30 pmThe book IS Good Jane….beautifully written.
Mr. Johnson manages to tie together…Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, religion,science, global warming, giant dragonflies, , the enlightenment, the birth of America….and the Invention of Air by James Priestly…
all in a compelling book. Five Stars from the Badger.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:30 pm.
Dear James Dobson,
The mission of being a Christian is about seeking the goodness and glory in each person within society. That is where you have lost the struggle. Not with society nor with the people, but within yourself. You let your instinctive reflex focus on the evils among us thus clinging to the inherent evil within you as your guiding principle, seeking outwardly answers that only can be found within.
May God bless us all…
.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:31 pmDon’t worry, Dobby. Maybe one of your brain-dead drones will blow up a building in the name of Jahayzus, then you’ll be right back in the saddle again.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:32 pmClosed mind + scripture = closed mind on a mission.
April 12th, 2009 at 3:34 pmAny society that claims Applebee’s has already lost any wars relative to culture. Monster trucks and speed dating just seal the deal…
April 12th, 2009 at 4:25 pmMr. Dobson, does not the scripture of Mathew say, “judge not lest ye be judged”? You have judged an entire nation as being evil, and so an entire nation shall judge you, so it was written, and so it has come to pass.
April 12th, 2009 at 4:44 pmLooking at the picture of Dobby there, let me just say I’d be skeptical of ANY human being who would stand in an expensive suit in a pulpit with a golden cross plastered on the front. I would hope that God would quickly and efficiently render into a small pile of ashes any person who arrogated to him/herself the authority to do so. I continually live in disappointment.
April 12th, 2009 at 5:32 pmThe irony that their biggest loss was putting Bush in the WH.
April 12th, 2009 at 6:12 pmActually Osama Bin Laden refers to us as the Great Satan. He might be on to something?
April 12th, 2009 at 6:31 pm.
Reality to Check…
… It depends on perspective, NO?
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April 12th, 2009 at 6:41 pm.
Now…
…What was it Christ said to the Pharisees and Scribes, again?
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April 12th, 2009 at 6:43 pmDr. Dobson has a selective view of Christianity. His Family Research Council promoted four or five “non-negotiable” items for this past election (and I would guess for many elections).
It was the typical right wing stuff. I asked about the economy and jobs–that was “negotiable.” These church people were actually going to go canvass a neighborhood, in which, the majority of jobs were linked to the domestic auto industry and they were not going to promote a candidate who supported 1) Jobs and 2) helping the auto industry.
What was their focus was; 1) abortion, 2) gay marriage, 3) stem cell research; 4) against legalizing marijuana, and I believe there was one more.
Helping the poor was off limits. A lot of what is Biblically true was off limits.
Dobson and others can speak of wedge issues all they want, with some success, when we all have jobs. When we don’t have jobs and he keeps talking about wedge issues, that will only last so long.
April 12th, 2009 at 6:48 pmDr. J. R. “Bob” Dobson is a certified medical psychologist in addition to being a credentialed clergyman. Son of a gun, son of a wonder, Son Of The South.
April 12th, 2009 at 6:49 pmThere’s celebration in a pineapple at the bottom of the sea.
April 12th, 2009 at 6:51 pmI would say your second mistake was to describe your opponents as “evil”. This was a polarizing, rather than a unifying, tactic and it probably cost you the support of people in the middle. Like many other failed right wing strategies, rather than try to appeal to the middle, you chose to solidify your base.
April 12th, 2009 at 7:05 pmWhen any group, Christian or otherwise decides to take over and sets itself up as the conscience of an entire country, they deserve to lose. This fascist coalition of groups banded together and sought to become the arbiter of everyones morals, they must lose.
No philosophy exists that should speak for an entire country. No group should be allowed to force their beliefs on everyone. And no religion should be foremost as a rule of government. Surely the middle east is a prime example of what happens when religion rules a country. Our Constitution was set up to protect us from that abuse.
And what did the guardians of our morality do? The men like Dobson who pressed their vision of right and wrong on others?
They promoted the administration of Bush. They condoned his illegal excursion into war. They sat quietly as he shredded our rights. They said nothing as he advocated torture in our name. All in the name of our Christian president. They have been so wedded to the thought of power, with access to the president. All because he claimed Christianity.
And they promoted intolerance, fascism, sexism in the name of god. (small g). This group of evangelical morally moribund terrorists. These nuts that seek to regress intellectually to some backward time, when thinkers were jailed and witches were burned. Dobson should resign.
But there are more like him and worse out there. We never seem to run short of these people that fear everything not in the bible. He represents this ministers of intolerance. He is a man of no moral consequence.
It’s not simply that they lost the so called culture war, they lost their way entirely. They see it as a lost war. I see it as kind of referendum on their practices. Their shallow grasp of what the teacher Jesus actually taught. They do no speak the words of Jesus. They do not represent the actions of love. They are so far removed from what his teachings were, they are doomed to fail.
I am one of those secular humanists they so detest. They failed because there are some us that do not fear reason. Some of us do not feel blind obedience is the way to live. Reason, and decency and love do not exist only in religion. It is possible to care and to nurture without the chaining of the mind and heart. Spirituality can exist without religion the way it is practiced in this world.
April 12th, 2009 at 9:09 pmRealityCheck Says:
Actually Osama Bin Laden refers to us as the Great Satan. He might be on to something?
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actually osama and dobby
do have that in common.
interesting point.
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April 12th, 2009 at 9:10 pmDobson is absolutely correct! The nation is awash with evil. A vicious war of aggression for oil in Iraq, summary executions, forced disappearances, torture, massive tax breaks for the rich and reduction of services for the poor, moralistically enforcing scientifically unsound policies leading to the spread of HIV and unwanted pregnancies, destruction of the environment and refusal to take action, legalizing fraud by Wall Street and now refusal to confront those responsible for the 8 year crime spree known as the Bush Administration are pure evil, and all have been enthusiastically supported by Dobson and his fellow conservative Christians.
April 12th, 2009 at 9:46 pmCorrect me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t if Franklin who said “Not a country of God, but a country of Godly people”. I consider myself a good Christian and Mr. Dobson failed to speak of or for Christianity. Christ gave the direct command “render to Caesar’s what is Caesar’s, and render to the Lord what is the Lord’s”. What Mr. Dobson was to cozy up a little to close to Caesar, and now he is wringing his hands because the effort bared no fruit. I don’t think we have as a culture failed, but in those areas where guidance was needed, yours was poorly given, Mr.Dobson. It is not up to this government to provide moral compass, nor is it societies. You and your collages are charged with that mission. If you think you have failed, better look inward!
April 12th, 2009 at 9:47 pmjoe cantwell Says:
RealityCheck Says:
Actually Osama Bin Laden refers to us as the Great Satan. He might be on to something?
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actually osama and dobby
do have that in common.
interesting point.
Actually I was referring to the fact that Osama hates things like Porn & Homo’s & all the other vices that the left holds in reverence so well. Could it be that the Left is the reason that Osama decided to attack those poor defenseless people on 9/11? I have read with complete shock the evil things a lot of you have written about people and blaming everyone from Republicans to Bush to Cheny to you name it…when maybe you should just look inward to yourselves as the cause?
When you worship at the church of evil…you invite it in you’re own house.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pmjoe cantwell
I believe it is the right wing talking heads that keep referring to vile acts like hold your ankles, ect, ect, ect. The greatest evil is wealth, and that is all this last administration was about. The right wing seems to have a preoccupation with porn, homos and vile sexual acts, that should tell you something.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:38 pmRealityCheck Says:
When you worship at the church of evil…you invite it in you’re own house.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
You better call an exorcist.
April 12th, 2009 at 11:47 pmZooey Lepidoptera Says:
RealityCheck Says:
When you worship at the church of evil…you invite it in you’re own house.
April 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
You better call an exorcist.
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zoo,
rc is saying that osama and dobby
are the same kind of evil. and he’s right!
:|
April 12th, 2009 at 11:51 pmHe still needs an exorcist.
Dobby and Osama may both be the same kind of evil, but Osama did not attack us because of “the left,” he attacked all of us because of US policies — policies implemented and maintained by “the right.”
April 13th, 2009 at 12:03 amZooey Lepidoptera Says:
He still needs an exorcist.
Dobby and Osama may both be the same kind of evil, but Osama did not attack us because of “the left,” he attacked all of us because of US policies — policies implemented and maintained by “the right.”
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you’re right of course.
i was hoping they could get
together at some time and
strangle each other. then
rc could o.d. on a bottle of
oxycontin.
:|
April 13th, 2009 at 12:14 amWhat? Again!?
:-D
April 13th, 2009 at 12:27 amGo to hell, Dobson!
April 13th, 2009 at 12:58 amRealityCheck Says:
You are a liar. You are a fool. You are a punk and you are a troll. Did I leave anything out. Oh yeah, you are astonishingly stupid
April 13th, 2009 at 2:35 amMISSION ACCOMPLISHED
April 13th, 2009 at 7:00 amThat’s not all they’ve lost; the Iraq war, the war in Afghanistan, the war on drugs, the war on terror, the war on Christmas and their collective minds.
They must be fuming that President Obama hasn’t gone on vacation yet and allowed multiple disasters to occur while he looks the other way.
At least Bush will never lose in that comparison.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:45 amReality Check says “the Left” is responsible for porn and homosexuals???
NO, the red states buy more porn per capita than the blue states and homosexuality is genentic and hormonal (The Creator’s responsibility).
April 13th, 2009 at 8:28 am______
RUCeriousDragonfly Says:
C’mon, Jimmy! Always look on the brigher side of life!
April 12th, 2009 at 10:16 am
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You don’t have to worry about Dobson. He sounds more positive if you actually get a representative view of the address:
“But God is in control and we are not going to give up now, right? (Applause) The world has turned colder for the family in recent years and there is such hostility to anyone who holds to a faith. And we are going to take the heat. But I have been assured by the board, and by many of you, that we’re not going to cow, we’re not going to be discouraged. We’re going to continue to express the love for the Scripture and the principles that we find there.”
April 13th, 2009 at 10:14 amDobson is not a “man of God,” but a minion of Satan, sent to inject hatred and bigotry into Christianity. His ministry differs from Fred Phelps only in style, not substance.
April 13th, 2009 at 11:03 amA Little Wisdom from Gloria to Billy from White Men Can’t Jump…
“Sometimes when you win.
you really lose.
Sometimes when you lose.
you really win.
Sometimes when you win
or lose. you actually tie.
Sometimes when you tie.
you actually win or lose…..
Winning and losing is
one big organic globule
from which one extracts
what one needs.”
Nuf said.
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