Cavuto: Fox Covered The Million Man March In 1995, Even Though The Network Didn’t Launch Until 1996
Cavuto: Fox Covered The Million Man March In 1995, Even Though The Network Didn’t Launch Until 1996
In the past week, Fox News and Fox Business host Neil Cavuto has been defending his network’s decision to aggressively promote the right-wing, lobbyist-funded tea party protests. Cavuto’s main line of defense has been that the network is “fair and balanced” in the protests it covers:
– Apparently, these populist protests don’t count much for them. Millions concerned they’re being taxed and feed to death counts even less for them. But a Million March March that turns out to be well shy of a million men — even half a million men — does count for them. We covered the follow-up marches to that Million Man March, because no matter the number, it was a big deal. [Fox News, 4/9/09]
– We do not pick and choose these rallies and protests. We were there for the Million Man March, even though, as I pointed out, it turned out to be well shy of a million men. [Fox Business, 4/11/09]
– Because like in the Million Man March, it didn’t turn out to be a million men, but it got covered. [Fox Business, 4/11/09]
– You seem to pick and choose what events and protests were worthy. Million Man March, worthy, even though it wasn’t a million men, it was half a million. We covered that because we thought it had a worthy message too. [Fox News, 4/8/09]
– But a Million March March that turns out to be well shy of a million men — even half a million men — does count for them. We covered the follow-up marches to that Million Man March, because no matter the number, it was a big deal. [Fox Business, 4/9/09]
Watch a compilation:
The problem, as News Hounds points out, is that the Million Man March took place on Oct. 16, 1995. According to the News Corp. website, however, Fox News did not begin operations until Oct. 7, 1996 — almost a full year after the March. Cavuto joined the network a few months before it launched — in July 1996. Before joining Fox, he was at CNBC.
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April 13th, 2009 at 4:07 pmWow.
Talk about embarrassing.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:07 pmthe assclowns who watch faux won’t even know the difference.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:07 pmAnd where was their coverage of all the demonstrations against the invasion of Iraq?
April 13th, 2009 at 4:07 pmThat’s FOX incredible. Count the FOX lies. Well, it’s the same FOX lie over and over. So… what is their FOX answer now??
April 13th, 2009 at 4:08 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
Wow.
Talk about embarrassing.
Conservatives don’t know how to be embarrassed. They will just say they “misspoke”.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:08 pmBozo The Neocootiebug Says:
They will if someone tells them, even if it’s just to bug them.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:10 pmMajor lulz.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:10 pmOne can only be embarassed if one is capable of feeling shame.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:10 pmFOX lies?
That’s not news.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:12 pmYou guys are adorable, still thinking that Faux needs to confine itself to objective reality when reporting “facts”.
Fer cryin’ out loud, they’re Faux! they cans ay whatever they want! They have the court ruling to prove it!
April 13th, 2009 at 4:13 pmThe shame must be heavily backed up by now.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:14 pmCavuto isn’t too good with numbers, facts or dates. That’s why he’s on the Faux Business channel.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:17 pmTime Traveler Neil Cavuto: Today’s WORST…PERSON…in the WOOOOOOORRRRRLD!
Seriously, when you read the stuff he said, it becomes clear that this was a dedicated line he wanted to repeat over and over since the language is so similar. He went out of his way to repeatedly say that it wasn’t even really a million men. To put that much effort into it, you would think he would at least fact-check his first date of employment, or try to scrounge up some file footage of Fox News anchors at the march. Dope.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:17 pmWe do not pick and choose these rallies and protests.
Fox News isn’t the only right-wing organization involved in building up these so-called “grassroots” events. The tea parties have been heavily backed by corporate lobbyists. The principle organizers of many of the local events are actually the lobbyist-run think tanks Americans for Prosperity, Freedom Works, and Newt Gingrich’s American Solutions. The groups are heavily staffed and well funded, and are providing all the logistical and public relations work necessary for planning coast-to-coast protests.
Money talks, Bulls@#T Walks!
April 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pmLibellula saturata Annie Says:
Gotta expose the lies when some still trust the liars.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pmFauxNews: Fair and balanced. Oh, and fact-free.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pmIs there still any doubt this network should be called FauxNews?
April 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pmThat compilation was awesome.
The funniest thing was — once Neil got past the meme of Faux News covering an event before the channel was even in existence — is his OCD-driven insistence on denigrating the Million Man March for falling short of a million each and every time he mentioned it.
For some reason, that fact is really, really important to Neil Cavuto. Any ideas why?
April 13th, 2009 at 4:18 pmYes, but Fox pundits have jaw-boned about the Million Man March endlessly.
/snark off
April 13th, 2009 at 4:20 pmALL DUFUS! ALL THE TIME!
FAUX GNUS.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:22 pmRemember Al Franken’s book, “Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: A Fair and Balanced Look at the Right”?
Fraken could devote and fill an additional chapter to his book based exclusively on the lies told by Neil Cavuto on FOX News.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:23 pmThese folks at Fox have one amazing perk. Memory erasing pills, mandatory to take with the kool aid, right after the Pledge of Aileslegiance every morning.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:23 pmNeil Cavuto is not having fun. You can tell. He seems to be impolding only very slowly.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:24 pmFox Noise can bend the space time continuum like they bend facts!
April 13th, 2009 at 4:27 pmFox News also covered the Kennedy assassination and the Civil War, don’t ya know?
April 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Ya, but someones gotta do it. even if nobody else is watching any more.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pmCavuto said in the video posted above “we covered the follow-up marches to that Million man march.” He didn’t say we covered the million man march.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pmEmbarassment requires ethics, class and integrity. Faux has none thus they are not obliged to feel remorse or embarassment
April 13th, 2009 at 4:30 pm“Cavuto: Fox Covered The Million Man March In 1995, Even Though The Network Didn’t Launch Until 1996”
April 13th, 2009 at 4:31 pm—–
It just seems to me that this title is misleading.
– We do not pick and choose these rallies and protests. We were there for the Million Man March, even though, as I pointed out, it turned out to be well shy of a million men. [Fox Business, 4/11/09] Doesnt this say that they were there for the march?
April 13th, 2009 at 4:34 pmYou seem to pick and choose what events and protests were worthy. Million Man March, worthy, even though it wasn’t a million men, it was half a million. We covered that because we thought it had a worthy message too. [Fox News, 4/8/09] Or this one?
April 13th, 2009 at 4:34 pmThis is an absolute must see! One of the most hilarious videos comparing British and American newscasters. *hint* they lambaste Fox; described as: Dystopian Future Sci-Fi Satirical Shouty-Pawn Sledge-Hammer Channel Fox News.
Priceless and spot-on!
(via http://www.oldamericancentury.org/)
April 13th, 2009 at 4:35 pmTry harder to learn.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:36 pmMakete…why? I was just stating that the title of this article doesn’t reflect what Mr. Cavuto said, that’s all.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:37 pmGetting the history,intentionally or otherwise,is beside the point.
FNC isn’t covering this teabag nonsense, it is promoting it and providing material support for it. . FNC is no an observer, but an invested participant.
FOC didn’t sponsor Million Man March events, none of its media stars spoke on its behalf and FNC didn’t provide publicity materials for it.
This is an utterly false equivalency, and Cavuto’s argument shouldn’t even be entertained as in anyway reasonable, by anyone.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:38 pmOh and don’t forget if you can’t make a Tea Party this wednesday, FOX NATION will have a virtual link for you!
http://mediamatters.org/countyfair/200904130006?f=cf_clips
Honestly, this is starting to look like the 2008 election all over again. The right wing is going to get crazier and sillier in the lead up to midterm elections next year. And just like with Hilary Clinton and John Mccain the GOP is going to EXPLODE trying to beat Obama. And Obama as well as a permanent Democratic Majority will be left standing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/13/pemanent-democratic-major_n_186257.html
April 13th, 2009 at 4:38 pmMaybe you should read the artical.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pmIs it possible that everyone over at faux “news” are idiots? What are the odds? Are they capable of checking their own bs?
Firstly, if faux did cover the MMM it wasn’t because of their out pouring of humanity efforts. HAHAHAHAHA
they would had covered the event because they were hoping for some crips and bloods gang action.
Next, the parks&recs people stop giving counts on crowds after the MMM. Parks&recs were proven to give lower numbers during the MMM.
Had some racist white folks scared shitless. HAHAHAHAHAHA
April 13th, 2009 at 4:40 pmmakete Says:
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Maybe you should read the artical.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:41 pm—-
It’s “article” and I did. I just don’t understand why you’re telling me to “try harder to learn” when I was just pointing out something. The article states exactly what I said, that Fox covered “follow up marches” to the million man march.
Wow Fake News Network has sunk to an all new low. I can’t wait for the day when all of their BS backfires on them!
April 13th, 2009 at 4:42 pmRead the second and forth quotes.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:43 pmIt’s not that Cavuto got the dates wrong, it’s that FOX is deliberately moving from being wholeheartedly sympathetic to the Republican party to being an anti-Democratic and anti-government political movement in its own right.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:44 pmFOX could save money
April 13th, 2009 at 4:44 pmCGI propaganda
Why not use puppets?
And while Fox News and the Far Right have waged War on Obama, what is our president doing????? Having an EASTER EGG ROLL OF COURSE!!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/13/easter-egg-rolle-at-white_n_186282.html
Fox can say and do whatever the hell they want Obama just needs to stay on message and keep doing his thing just like on the campaign trail. NEXT!!!!
April 13th, 2009 at 4:47 pmtrying to learn:
Listen again at 0:48 and 1:06 and 1:30. Then maybe you’ll learn just how stupid you are.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:48 pmArchie has returned to obsess over headlines. *yawn*
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April 13th, 2009 at 4:49 pmDoes he still not know how to spell cock?
Yes, you’re right, I misread the quotes; I’m sorry. However, it seems to me that again, the title of this article is misleading because even though he does say “we covered the million man march” he also says “we covered the follow up marches to that march”. I love being in here with you guys because I like to see what your thinking because I am so young but I think this time, this article is misleading and I’m willing to give Mr Cavuto the benefit of the doubt on the issue because he does say two different things, maybe he messed up. I don’t see why it matters, but I’m just a dumb kid, I guess.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:51 pmtrying to learn Says:
Cavuto said in the video posted above “we covered the follow-up marches to that Million man march.” He didn’t say we covered the million man march.
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Are you talking about Fox coming alive 1 year later and talking about the million man march or 13 years later saying they covered the actual march or are you just are just TROLLING?
trying to learn:
April 13th, 2009 at 4:52 pmSo how is that fund raising for college going? You took this year off post HS graduation to do so right? Tough job market for kids I suppose. So what schools are you interested in?
Like I said, try harder to learn.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pmguess Faux news targeted audience…THE REPUBLICANS. They will believe everything they say.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pmtrying to learn Says: “Cavuto: Fox Covered The Million Man March In 1995, Even Though The Network Didn’t Launch Until 1996”
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It just seems to me that this title is misleading.
Try to READ: “We do not pick and choose these rallies and protests. We were there for the Million Man March, even though, as I pointed out, it turned out to be well shy of a million men.” [Fox Business, 4/11/09]
April 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pm“.
NOT “the follow-up”, but THE Million Man March” A factually incorrect statement , for whatever reason.
The TP post headline is absolutely correct ( though as I point out above, the highlighted error is a very minor issue compared to the larger context).
Million Man March MMM Million Man March MMM Million Man March
That all cavuto knows.
These so-called transparent code words that the teabaggers are using to whip-up their racist base will backfire. It doesn’t take much for repugs’ plans to fall flat on its face. Idiots!
April 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pmWhat follow up marches? Considering that fox is fair and balanced and the tea parties are being covered like the “follow up marches to the million man march” are, can you produce a few youtube clips?
April 13th, 2009 at 4:56 pmAre you all calling the repugs the teabagging party now? Or maybe teabaggers?
April 13th, 2009 at 4:57 pmChristopher…please don’t call me a troll…I’ve been on here a few times trying to get a feeling for the progressive side of issues in order to help me make up my mind on issues. I’ve loved being in here and people have been friendly. I just misunderstood the quotes, that’s all.
April 13th, 2009 at 4:59 pmdee…i was only four years old when the million man march or follow up marches (I don’t know when they happened)happened but he did say they were there for follow up marches.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:00 pmArchie = Fail….as usual.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:01 pm???
I don’t get it. I’m sorry.
On Archie is just this big loser who is scared to do anything but pretend…
April 13th, 2009 at 5:01 pmtrying to learn Says:
Notice Cavuto just told the truth the first time. Then he slipped unnoticed into the lie. This is deception 101 TTL.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:01 pmdbadass Says:
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trying to learn:
So how is that fund raising for college going? You took this year off post HS graduation to do so right? Tough job market for kids I suppose. So what schools are you interested in?
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April 13th, 2009 at 5:02 pmI’m interested in Colorado State University. I work at a local video store not to raise money for college but to decide what I wanted to study and to save a bit of spending money. Not so tough…I’ve worked there since I was 16.
When the already long established populist movement adopted and propped up Mr-reluctant-to-actually-lead, Ron Paul…FOX News never once missed a opportunity to flat out mock, belittle and out right insult the movement and it’s proponents.
And now…now all of a sudden FOX is out there hijacking and manipulating the less than cognitive voices that are gathering around the Fox, Kool-Aid filled, water cooler.
Which has effectively begun a split amongst people who want to make a opportunity from the free press, and those whose recall goes back further than the latest nonsensical right wing rant.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pmApe-man…I see now. Do you really think he is lying or just didn’t understand what he was saying?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pmtrying to learn
Dragonflies have 30,000 lenses in each eye, but it only takes one to see the fool that you are.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pmalways with the “it wasn’t a million men”… like a reassurance…
April 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pmhe had to keep reminding the bots “it wasn’t a million men”…
… a million black men?
work at a local video store not to raise money for college but to decide what I wanted to study
April 13th, 2009 at 5:05 pm— Are you allowed in that back room yet?
I really doubt that’s archie. Give the kid a break.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pmCavuto is the official term for regurgitated scrotum.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pmThis is disingenuous at best.
You didn’t “misunderstand” the quotes.
You IGNORED the quotes that said exactly what TP’s headlines claimed they said, and you tried to argue that the headline was misleading.
Whether you ignored these quotes willingly or not, you still made a bogus argument, and the mistake was pointed out to you several times before you acknowledged it.
Let’s just say the profile you’re presenting as one “trying to learn” seems a bit thin at this point.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pmdbadass Says:
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work at a local video store not to raise money for college but to decide what I wanted to study
— Are you allowed in that back room yet?
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April 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pmHa! not without a password!
First lesson; If you dont know what you are talking about, dont talk, listen.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:07 pmFair enough (and yeah, now I feel old).
To give a brief non-condescending history lesson: there were no “follow up marches” to the million man march. There was a 10 year reunion or whatever the heck it was back in 2005, but that isn’t really a “follow up” and it certainly isn’t a plural.
The event was organized by the angry bow-tie dude as a one-off.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:08 pmRalph…I don’t make a bogus arguement because the title of the article leads people to believe that Cavuto ONLY said they were there at the million man march when he obviously screwed up one way or another and said two different things but the title doesn’t say that. That’s all. Why pick on me just because that’s what I read into it? Just because I think it was misleading doesn’t mean I don’t think the man needs to get his facts straight. You don’t know what I read; I did misread the quotes and I was told to go back and read the article and saw that I was mistaken.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:10 pmFixed News – Far from Balanced and Fact Free from 1996.
Fcuk the Republicans
April 13th, 2009 at 5:10 pmdee…thank you. I see what you’re saying.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:10 pmOkay so they continue to want to question the number of fellows at that event but they have no problem believing that Jessica Lynch was “rescued”…
April 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pmTrue, but wow. I mean to go on TV and say “we covered the million man march” when the news network you claim covered it wasn’t even formed until a YEAR later? lol
And not once but 5 times?
How do you work for a news organization and not even know what year it was formed? Especially when it was just a few years ago?
This was a big catch. News Hound deserves a medal for this one, because even to their “fans” now they’re going to look like a monkey f$%king a football.
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And my apologies to the monkeys for the comparison.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pmtrying to learn Says:
Yes, you’re right, I misread the quotes; I’m sorry. However, it seems to me that again, the title of this article is misleading because even though he does say “we covered the million man march” he also says “we covered the follow up marches to that march
He’s lying in such a way that if he’s called on it he can say “wait a minute, I said “follow up” marches, and blame the far left smear merchants. This is a common republican trick, they tell several different versions of a story, one of which is the truth, but repeat the lies, repeatidly (?) Look at all the different reasons we were given for the invasion of Iraq….
April 13th, 2009 at 5:12 pmBob…is this just a republican trick or do democrats do it too?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:15 pmAre you even vaguely familiar with the concept of “headlines”?
The reason they’re called “headlines” and not “articles” is because they are quick encapsulations of the articles they head.
Cavuto claimed more than once that Faux News covered the Million Man March.
TP’s headline reported that, and also reported the impossibility of that happening.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pmI wonder if Cavuto believes that Faux News also covered the wild tea parties that got the Rutles in so much trouble in the sixties…
April 13th, 2009 at 5:19 pmTTL – can we get back to the point of this article?
Faux is trying to equate their support for the teabaggers to their non-existent coverage of the Million Man March in 1995. Non-existent because they were not around yet (sigh – the good old days).
How do you feel about Faux mis-representing themselves this way?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:20 pmRalph…I understand. Geez.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:22 pmMary…I think it’s silly but I also think that Mr. Cavuto wasn’t very consistent in his statements and I don’t know if it’s because he was actually fibbing or he just didn’t know the truth.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:23 pmPhony tea bag party is just a bunch of yahoos who want to pretend they make so much more than $250,000 that they are actually going to have to pay more in taxes. Delusional fools and suck ups hoping for a teabag favor.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:26 pmIt’s something Fox does on a daily basis. It’s part of their corporate DNA; they know nothing else.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:27 pmWell, consider this as you contemplate… I just researched on wikipedia (I know, not a bomb-proof source, but generally pretty reliable) and there is no mention of any follow up” to the Million Man March, other than the 10th anniversary event in 2005.
Moreover, Cavuto takes great pains to point out each and every time he utters its name that the “Million Man March” fell short of a million attendees. If he was talking about some unnamed “follow up marches” that Faux News did in fact cover, why the obsession with the attendance estimate for an event that pre-dated the network itself?
The only logical explanation is that Cavuto is desperate to maintain the veneer of “balanced journalism” that covers the naked partisanship of Faux News, and either doesn’t know or doesn’t care that his attempt to show “balance” falls on its ascot.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:29 pmoh, be nice to the kid… catch more with honey – that kinda thing…
i noticed the “follow up” line also …
so, without reading all the comments, were there ever “follow up marches”???
April 13th, 2009 at 5:29 pmI’m not sure however I believe Cavuto recently made some claims about covering the original Boston Tea Party.
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Until someone explained to him the difficulty their news crew would have likely encountered finding decent parking in or around the Boston Harbor at Christmas time.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:29 pm@68 trying to learn Says:
I think Cavuto is using what they call “selective memory” and “self deception” to defend his fallen news network.
However, if you lie to yourself you’re still lying. It becomes everyones concern when it’s broadcast into our homes for gullable people to soak up.
I don’t watch Cavuto enough to know if he intentionally lies, or he is just having trouble dealing with things over at FOX right now.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:30 pmRalph…you’re right.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pmtrying to learn, thank you.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:33 pmDoes anyone out there honestly believe that Fox News does anything other than shill, slant, catapult propaganda and outright lie for the GOP?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pmtrying to learn Says:
I also think that Mr. Cavuto wasn’t very consistent in his statements and I don’t know if it’s because he was actually fibbing or he just didn’t know the truth.
Oh, that’s something we can probably never learn for sure. Mr. Cavuto may not even know.
There’s a lot of “fibbing” that goes on at Faux. One could even assert that it’s a way of life for anyone who works there.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pmRalph…you’re welcome. I do see Mr. Cavuto’s point, contradictory statements aside, that other networks probably should be covering this. I understand many on this site think it’s a joke but there’s a lot of people out there that don’t and maybe it should be covered? I don’t know.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pmMary…isn’t there a lot of fibbing going on everywhere?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:38 pmYes he did.
Did you read the quotes? There’s 5 of em.
Between April the 8th (Wednesday of last week) and April the 11th (Saturday) Cavuto said he was there at the march 4 times, and once at the follow up.
So I guess my question to you would be, why did you focus on the ONE quote where he said Fox was at the follow up march, instead of focusing on the four others, where he claimed Fox was at the actual march?
Particularly given that the other quotes came both before and after the quote you were fixating on?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:38 pmI wouldn’t worry about the poor little teabaggers getting their coverage. I’m sure the organizers have paid for plenty of prime time.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:40 pmtrying to learn: “I’m willing to give Mr Cavuto the benefit of the doubt on the issue”
..but no benefit of the doubt for TP (at least at first)–even when the evidence is right there in front of you?
Let me give you some much needed perspective to help you develop some observation and critical thinking skills:
There is no such thing as purely ‘fair and balanced’ in public dialog, because no-one can be purely ‘fair and balanced–emotion, environmental influences and experience affect perceptions.
NOW,once you accept that everyone has some form of bias, you have to ask yourself how prevalent is that bias, is it pertinent or inconsequential and in what way?
Opinions are arguments are supposed to be derived from FACTS which are verifiable data that conform to experience– example; the sun will come up tomorrow because it has come up since the dawn of time and there is nothing else to suggest that it WON’T come up as predicted.
Now Foz News has a record of statements and actions which have been recorded, and which are thus verifiable. When they say or do something at odds with the FACTS, they are wrong.
When they refuse to acknowledge FACTS, even evidence they themselves provide out of their own mouths—they aren’t just wrong, they are being willfully obtuse.
And when they refuse to acknowledge FACTS and evidence over ans over again, and constantly try to disestablish established facts and create new ‘arguments’ based on distortions and pure invention without evidence–then they are obtuse and lying and outrageously biased.
And this has been the case since they began. FNC is just about the most biased, lying hypocritical media organization in this country, not because I ( or others) simply think so, but because the evidence, tons of it, is there to prove it.
Go search mediamatters on anything to do with FOX. Nothing is taken out of context, full audio, video and transcripts are all there for you to examine for yourself.
That doesn’t mean that everything the say is automatically a LIE–mistakes can be made and I’m willing to allow Cavuto made a simple mistake in his recollection of dates. But arguments are made on facts, and when you get your facts wrong, your argument is undermined. If the erroneous facts are central to your argument, the argument collapses becasue the facts are WRONG.
Your fundamental innocence is truly staggering to me. But at least you are making an effort by visiting.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:40 pmtrying to learn:
April 13th, 2009 at 5:40 pmTry to avoid being self contradictory. Either you see Mr Cavuto’s point, you understand, or you don’t know but not all three at the same time…
Okay, that’s is – sorry Katydid. Not buying it.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:40 pmWaynebro…the issue has been settled. I realized I was wrong.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:40 pm@103 trying to learn Says:
It has been covered elsewhere, but since then FNN has become the real story when it comes to tea bagging. As far as know FNN is organizing it so why should the other networks promote FNN events?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:42 pmdbadass Says:
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trying to learn:
April 13th, 2009 at 5:43 pmTry to avoid being self contradictory. Either you see Mr Cavuto’s point, you understand, or you don’t know but not all three at the same time…
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That doesn’t make any sense. I understand (same as “see”) the point of what he was saying and I said “I don’t know” because maybe my view is wrong.
Ape…are they organizing it? I didn’t realize that. How do we know that?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:44 pmThis is why people strongly suspect that you are not what you claim to be on this site.
Faux news is not “covering” these events. they are promoting them.
There is a great deal of evidence that they are not the “grassroots” events their organizers claim them to be, and the focus of their protests are unclear and seem tied more to the current President than to any concern over spending.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:44 pm103. trying to learn Says: Ralph…you’re welcome. I do see Mr. Cavuto’s point, contradictory statements aside, that other networks probably should be covering this. I understand many on this site think it’s a joke but there’s a lot of people out there that don’t and maybe it should be covered? I don’t know.
No, you don’t know. If you’re extending any credibility to Cavuto or the teabaggers at all, you need to sell your computer. You’re far too gullible to be left alone in the WWW.
The child-like approach, rather than the “Nice-Guy Republican” approach always ends up in the same place: giving benefit of doubt to Fox/Right-wing. It didn’t fly in the former myriad personas and it doesn’t fly now with a “trying to learn” phony sockpuppet.
More like “trying too hard” to attempt incremental persuasion to ridiculous points of view. The dedicated concern-trolling is a giveaway. Beat it “kid.”
April 13th, 2009 at 5:45 pmOkay, I gave you the benefit of the doubt, even though I had little doubt about your true nature.
You lost any credibility with me right there. You’re a fraud, a hack, a troll.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:46 pmThey covered those demonstrations in 1995 too.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pm5th Estate…I’m sorry my innocence is staggering to you; you’d have to understand my childhood but that’s personal, ya know? I appreciate your comments and you’re right, I didn’t automatically give TP the benefit of the doubt and since I gave it to Mr. Cavuto I should have done the same for the website.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pmSo, ‘trying to learn’, “fibbing” is okay then? It’s okay for a ‘news’ outlet to lie to their listeners? To manipulate them with those lies? You know, since it’s happening “all over the place”?
There’s a lot of murder all over the planet too. Does that make it okay?
I’m just rying to help you learn you see. Logic is our friend.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pmRalph….why? Everyone I know in my life lies to me and so I was wondering, doesn’t everyone lie?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pmahh, I see. Ok. Well when you stop “trying” to learn and actually start learning, perhaps you can explain how you read one quote and ignored the others to criticize ThinkProgress and their journalistic integrity.
I mean, you couldn’t read the one quote you were referring to without seeing the others. They were staring you right in the face. So I guess I’m confused as to why you’d fixate on that one quote, and ignore the rest in an apparent accusation against ThinkProgress that implied they were guilty of shoddy journalism.
Why would you do that?
I guess that’s what I’m “trying to learn”.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:47 pmAccording to the Florida Appeals Court, it’s okay.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:48 pmNo, Mary, lying isn’t okay but since I don’t watch a lot of TV, I was just asking….doesn’t it go on everywhere?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:49 pmtrying to learn Says:
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Ralph….why? Everyone I know in my life lies to me and so I was wondering, doesn’t everyone lie?
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April 13th, 2009 at 5:50 pmCan you be more specific? Who are these people and what lies hvae they told you. Remember to be specific because otherwise this post of yours screams charade…
Wayne…I made a mistake! Why are you hounding on me? I just made a mistake, that’s all. If you don’t want me to be here, I’ll leave.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:50 pmDon’t listen to these posters, Fox News. You don’t let a silly thing like facts get in the way of your self-righteous indignation. You have a court order!
And, @103 trying to learn:
April 13th, 2009 at 5:51 pmOrganizing is a bad word. Let’s go with agressively promoting. I would like to submit Glen Beck’s $500 a plate luncheon fundraiser as Exhibit A.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/04/11/beck-tea-party-fundraiser/
Why are you a troll?
Because you’re here pretending to be something you’re not, trying what probably seems to you to be a clever new way to defend Faux News, but it’s clumsy and unconvincing and utterly predictable.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:52 pmtrying to learn Says: “Mary…isn’t there a lot of fibbing going on everywhere?”
OKAY….
What is a fib?
A rejection of truth/fact made for personal advantage or to avoid personal disadvantage
What is the nature of the fib?
Is it “I didn’t break the vase” or is it “I didn’t kill that person and steal all his possessions” ?
Both fibs, right? So both the same? Both deserve the same consequences when discovered?
The $20 vase gets replaced out of your pocket and no TV for a seek for lying, the murder and robbery is recompensed by a new $20 vase and no TV for a week, for lying?
DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE? ARE YOU INCAPABLE OF DIFFERENTIATION? ARE YOU SIX YEARS OLD?
I’m trying to help, but god help you if you can’t understand the above.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:52 pmdbadass, no, I’m sorry, that’s personal and I’m still in the midst of stuff from my childhood and recent years and I’d rather not share with people I don’t know as I can barely share with my therapist, so please, don’t ask about specifics on that, I’m asking you.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:53 pm125. trying to learn Says: Wayne…I made a mistake! Why are you hounding on me? I just made a mistake, that’s all. If you don’t want me to be here, I’ll leave.
No, you dedicated to advocacy. A typo is a mistake, you belabored a bogus point for post after post.
I’ll hold the door…
April 13th, 2009 at 5:53 pmralph…I guess you can believe what you want. I don’t know what a troll is but I’m guessing it isn’t nice. I can’t defend myself to someone who won’t believe it no matter what I say.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:53 pmHe’s all yours ralph….
April 13th, 2009 at 5:54 pmI, for one, consider lying to be one of the most egregious things a person can do.
How about you? Do you lie to people?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:54 pmOh, that’s sad, trying to learn. We all feel terrible now for picking on you.
Wait… is this another scam…?
Would a troll try to create a sympathetic backstory in order to win some small measure of compassion and thus further his trollish activities?
… nah… no one would be that craven…
April 13th, 2009 at 5:56 pm129. trying to learn Says: dbadass, no, I’m sorry, that’s personal and I’m still in the midst of stuff from my childhood and recent years and I’d rather not share with people I don’t know as I can barely share with my therapist, so please, don’t ask about specifics on that, I’m asking you.
Sounds positively brutal. So brutal that you’ve found yourself on this site shilling for Fox news. Hmmm…I don’t think even Kevin Bacon could bridge those degrees…
April 13th, 2009 at 5:56 pmOkay, well I guess I’ll leave. Many of you have been nothing but nice to me and I thought that was really cool and helpful. But, now, it’s all changed because I made one mistake, a stupid one; turns out I do that sometimes. I’m sorry I’ve wasted everyone’s time, I didn’t mean to intrude. I’m sorry that I won’t get the wisdom of the nice people on here but I am a sensitive person and my feelings have been hurt and I’m sure you’ll all laugh at, but that’s the truth. If this is what politics is about, I don’t think I want to be a part of it.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:58 pm:|
Is it just me or does anyone else feel like we’ve collectively, albeit stealthily, just been called a bunch of liars?
April 13th, 2009 at 5:58 pmMore disingenuous crap, since I explained what a troll is in the comment you’re replying to
You’re not very good at this, li’l feller.
But just to expound on my brief definition, a troll is one who joins a discussion for the sole purpose of disruption, or entertaining himself by sowing conflict.
Jeez, for one who claims he is “trying to learn” it seems odd that you wouldn’t have researched a term with which you were unfamiliar.
April 13th, 2009 at 5:59 pm136:
April 13th, 2009 at 6:00 pmTry the password “magumbo”
136.trying to learn Says: Okay, well I guess I’ll leave. Many of you have been nothing but nice to me and I thought that was really cool and helpful. But, now, it’s all changed because I made one mistake, a stupid one; turns out I do that sometimes. I’m sorry I’ve wasted everyone’s time, I didn’t mean to intrude. I’m sorry that I won’t get the wisdom of the nice people on here but I am a sensitive person and my feelings have been hurt and I’m sure you’ll all laugh at, but that’s the truth. If this is what politics is about, I don’t think I want to be a part of it.
Here’s a tissue. Buh-Bye.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:00 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
According to the Florida Appeals Court, it’s okay.
Thank you for reminding me Ralph:
In February 2003, a Florida Court of Appeals unanimously agreed with an assertion by FOX News that there is no rule against distorting or falsifying the news in the United States.
You would think a ‘news’ organization would be fighting tooth and nail to preserve their integrity, you know, so people can believe their news stories. But, Faux prefers to preserve their right to lie, mis-characterize and distort events in order to manipulate their gullible audience.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:01 pmtrying to learn, if you want my advice, you’re not ready for community theatre yet.
Why not take some improv classes?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:01 pmFOX should change their name to Orwellian News..everything they do and say is some wardback stuff
April 13th, 2009 at 6:02 pmXisithrus, you just gave me an idea for a more accurate name for Faux:
Flipping
April 13th, 2009 at 6:05 pmOrwellian
Xenophobes
You would think a sock-puppet who claimed to work at a video store for some years would know from research, cross-reference, and at the very least, rudeness.
Them operatives gotta do better back stories…
April 13th, 2009 at 6:05 pm144. mary lacewing Says:Xisithrus, you just gave me an idea for a more accurate name for Faux:
Flipping
Orwellian
Xenophobes
Fascist
April 13th, 2009 at 6:07 pmOrwellian
Xenophobes…maybe?
Much better hanshiro the antlion! Thank you.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:08 pmtrying to concern Says:
“Okay, well I guess I’ll leave….now that’ I’ve been busted as a concern troll…”
April 13th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Flipping
Orwellian
Xenophobes
Fascist
Orwellian
Xenophobes…maybe?
Heh to both
April 13th, 2009 at 6:09 pm@113 trying to learn Says:
The easiest way to confirm the FOX promotions is to watch FOX news to see for yourself, but be very careful watching FOX until you are good at recognising hypocrisy. If you do watch FOX, be sure you watch all of the MSM to put FOX views into perspective.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:11 pmFaux ‘news’ – watch at your own risk.
Their disclaimer:
April 13th, 2009 at 6:13 pmWe preserve the right to lie, distort, falsify, and generally mislead our listeners. Our hosts are not be be taken seriously and are, in fact, clowns.
Facetious
April 13th, 2009 at 6:16 pmOrwellian
Xenophobes
trying to learn Says:
FOX corrupts adults too, people of all ages, so don’t despair if you find FOX a bit confusing at your age.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:31 pmWhy is he even comparing the Million Man March to the fringe tea bagging get-together?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:36 pmWhen the tea-baggers manage to rally a paltry half-million marchers, I might take them seriously.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:37 pm155.wiley Says: When the tea-baggers manage to rally a paltry half-million marchers, I might take them seriously.
The real question is, can the republicans find that many homeless to pose as protesters?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:39 pm@155 wiley Says:
Actually all they need is a good idea and we are listening. Even if there’s only two of them. A good idea will straight to the president’s table.
April 13th, 2009 at 6:40 pmIt’s not the turnout that counts. It’s the ideas they come up with. I’m sure something this heavily promoted on a partisan network will bring out lots of people, but will they simply say “NO” again and again or will they propose something we can work with?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:45 pmThey say they are for tax cuts yet they are also for privatization.
How can you pay for privatization without taxes?
April 13th, 2009 at 6:50 pmWhat a bunch of fail, I don’t understand how anyone can watch this network. I don’t agree with everything on this site but that’s impossible to dispute. Faux Noise is really living up to their nickname.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:07 pmThere’s the real question.
Over a 4 day period Cavuto’s been pushing this comparison for some reason.
Which makes it so amusing that he got it wrong.
:D
But the real question is why. Why that comparison?
April 13th, 2009 at 7:16 pmWhen the facts conflict with shameless self-promotion, ignore the facts.
April 13th, 2009 at 7:18 pmI hope the legitimate media covers these as well – I want to see all the Reich’s hate-groups flying their “God Hates Fags” and “Sell Obama Downriver” banners against a backdrop of The Big Glenn Beck Paranoid Schizophrenia And Tears Extravaganza.
It’s also funny how serious Fox is about “Americans” being up in arms about their taxes, when a Gallup poll today showed almost unprecedented acceptance of the current tax plan, ironic because most of the poor neocon morons attending the Tea Bag Party (that just never gets less funny) are going to do much better under the Obama plan than they did under Bush. That’s why this “event” really underscores just how hopelessly ignorant Fox news viewers are. I know there some intelligent Republicans out there who really hate Fox – I even have a few for friends – but as long as Fox appears to be the voice of the Reich, moderates, independents and other people of normal intelligence will stay away.
As for Cavuto’s outright fabrication about the Million Man March, c’mon, it’s Cavuto…
April 13th, 2009 at 7:55 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
But the real question is why. Why that comparison?
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If you take the Million Man March seriously, by association, the comparison gives credibility to the Teabaggers’ Ball that it doesn’t deserve. If you don’t take the Teabaggers’ Ball seriously, it also means the Million Man March wasn’t a meaningful event either.
Don’t argue over which event was “more meaningful”. By even ARGUING the point, you’re indirectly saying, “the comparison is valid” and therefore, the Teabaggers’ Ball is a valid event. Just point out how silly Cavuto’s comparison is, which is EXACTLY what it is… SILLY.
April 13th, 2009 at 9:00 pmdeebaser Says:
The event was organized by the angry bow-tie dude as a one-off.
Can you explain this please.
The MMM was a huge success all away around.
April 13th, 2009 at 10:24 pmA. I wasn’t arguing that point. I wasn’t even suggesting what you are saying. I simply asked a question.
B. I think the comparison has another, more ugly meaning behind it, which is why I posed the question.
C. I don’t really respond well to being told what to say or not say. Most people don’t in a free society.
April 13th, 2009 at 10:30 pmThey lie and exaggerate as a matter of course. And facts have little to do with anything.
April 13th, 2009 at 10:46 pmDr. Moth Matt Says:
Breaking: Beck tells his listeners he won’t give tea party keynote speech
Published Mon, Apr 13, 2009 5:12pm ET by Media Matters staff
“There are forces at play that are doing everything they can to make this – tax day at San Antonio, the Alamo — about me.”
HAHAHAHAHAHA
What a liar. he couldn’t get enough teabag repugs to attend. It’s a recession going on dummy.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
Mr. high ratings.
Oh please becky, you are insignificant and so is faux news. Surprise, surprise.
Cry about that mr. alligator.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
April 13th, 2009 at 10:56 pmThere’s a reason Cavuto picked the Million Man march four days in a row, instead of any of the other myriad of protests, rally’s and organized political events and protests that have taken place.
The Million Man March was significant to Cavuto, and it was important for him to not only use it as an example it was also apparently important for him to define it as a failure.
And whatever that reason might be it was apparently important enough to him to make him either overlook or ignore the fact that the Fox News network wasn’t even formed when it took place.
I’m just exploring what that reason might have been.
April 13th, 2009 at 11:03 pmWAYNEBRO Says:
C. I don’t really respond well to being told what to say or not say. Most people don’t in a free society.
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Up yours. I used to be one of your friend’s here, dingbat. If you want to read all that much into what I said, go right ahead.
Pretty desperate on your part, pal.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:01 amWhat sort of friend responds “up yours” simply from someone pointing out that they don’t respond well to being told what to say?
Here’s what you said.
You have to admit anyone reading that will readily discern the authoritarian nature of your instructions to me on exactly what arguments to make and not make in the article.
If I took it wrong sorry, but that’s how it came across. But I didn’t call you names or anything nor did my response merit that.
As for the “desperate” part, I’m not sure what you’re claiming I’m desperate for. I was just correcting you, since you were attempting to correct me. No signs of desperation in sight.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:29 amI don’t mind however being called a dingbat. Seems like a harmless enough label.
:|
But wouldn’t that make you Archie Bunker?
Of course in that case since I’m a male technically you’d probably just want to refer to me as “da meathead”.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:48 amWAYNEBRO Says:
What sort of friend responds “up yours” simply from someone pointing out that they don’t respond well to being told what to say?
__________
I used to think you were a pretty sharp cat here and then I saw you pick argument after argument w/ people that used to like you. By and large, I stayed away from them (the arguments) because I didn’t want to get involved.
But you sometimes come back and badger people over and over again over one or two words in a comment. You could have just as easily read what I said earlier and replied, “Well, that’s an interesting perspective” and disagreed, but you apparently decided it was better to be offended and take it personally.
“The authoritarian nature”??? BWAHAHAHAHA… that’s funny. What ever made you think I was telling YOU personally what to do?
I apologize. I didn’t preface my suggestion w/ something like, “May I humbly suggest…”
If you feel like it’s worth reading all that much into Cavuto’s behavior, by all means do. I do feel what I said was valid. I’m sorry what I said upset you.
No desperation?????? Keep telling yourself that.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:48 amAnyway, I still pose my original question as to Cavuto’s intentions in focusing for four days straight on the talking point of the “Million Man March”.
We know that Fox News coordinates messages and talking points on a daily basis. And we know Cavuto is not just a news announcer or host, but he’s also the Vice President of Business News for Fox News Channel and Senior Vice President & Managing Editor of Fox Business News, so obviously he is one of the “deciders” when it comes to talking points for the day, week, month, etc.
So I’m left to ask myself, what motivated Mr Cavuto to fixate on the Million Man March for four days?
Not to mention clearly painting it in a negative light?
One things for sure. This wasn’t “randomly chosen”. The fact that he repeated it for four days shows that.
And whatever the reason he chose the Million Man March, it apparently was compelling enough to make him forget or ignore the fact that Fox News wasn’t even formed yet when he made his inaccurate claims to covering it.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:57 amThe Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity Says:
Oh give it a rest.
Clearly the only desperate or upset one here is you.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:00 amWow. Talk about not even trying.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/
April 14th, 2009 at 10:19 amOnce again lobbyists “lobbyist-funded” are trying to dictate to Americans.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:27 pmALL LOBBYISTS AND THEIR FIRMS SHOULD BE OUTLAWED.
The do not represent the America people BUT the firms the cheat and step on Americans.
Seems like I’m not the only one who noticed and questioned Cavuto’s obsession with the Million Man March.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:18 pmSeems like I’m not the only one who noticed and questioned Cavuto’s obsession with the Million Man March.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:18 pmMaybe I’m missing something… but Cavuto said Fox, not Fox News Channel. Fox was created back in the 80s. I think it’s pretty obvious he was talking about Fox’s coverage of the Million Man March, not Fox News’s coverage… Fox News is cable news. Fox, which is what he said, is what you get on your local programming… So he stated it correctly when you look back at his quotes.
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