Appearing On Fox, ThinkProgress’s Faiz Shakir Calls Out Network For Promoting Anti-Obama Tea Parties
Appearing On Fox, ThinkProgress’s Faiz Shakir Calls Out Network For Promoting Anti-Obama Tea Parties
Last night, ThinkProgress editor Faiz Shakir appeared on Fox Business and slammed the network’s aggressive promotion of the anti-Obama tea parties. Guest host Charles Payne denied that Fox News and Fox Business were advocating in favor of the protests:
SHAKIR: These tea parties are a sham. The reason they’re a sham is because they’re directed by lobbyists here in D.C. … And on top of that, you’ve got this network, Fox News, which is advocacy — pushing this, promoting this with all of its heart. And it is not a grassroots movement when you have Jonathan Hoenig, Neil Cavuto, Glenn Beck, Greta Van Susteren promoting this up the wazoo. That is not a grassroots movement.
PAYNE: Faiz, let me just jump in. There’s a big difference between covering something and promoting it.
SHAKIR: That’s not what’s going on.
Jonathan Hoenig, a Fox News contributor and a managing director of a hedge fund who will be speaking at the Chicago tea party, grew furious with Faiz for discussing the corporate backing of the protests:
HOENIG: What you’ve got, Faiz, is 500 cities and literally tens of thousands of people, myself included —
SHAKIR: Directed by corporate lobbyists and corporate money.
HOENIG: That’s not true! Why do you keep saying that? Am I directed by lobbyists, Faiz? Am I paid by lobbyists? You don’t know what the hell you’re talking about!
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Payne vociferously denied that Fox News was promoting the tea parties. However, seconds after dismissing the panel on which Faiz appeared, Payne declared it was “time to party like it’s 1773.” He launched into an endorsement the tea parties as an example of “what is right” and praised them for “carrying on in the American spirit”:
PAYNE: Thank you, panel. Excellent job. Okay. Why it’s time to party like it’s 1773. Next. [...]
What is right though is the growing chorus of Americans that want their country and their liberties back. Anti-tax tea parties will happen all over the country Wednesday, carrying on in the American spirit that will send a message to Washington and Wall Street. … Remember, you have a right to voice your opinion and fight back.
As Faiz said, the tea parties are not the grassroots movement Fox News would like you to believe. They are being heavily promoted by corporate-funded lobbyist groups, including Dick Armey’s Freedom Works. And Fox has enthusiastically taken up the banner of these far-right protests: Just yesterday, host Stuart Varney declared, “It’s now my great duty to promote the tea parties.”
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Others say it’s just a ‘State of Mind’.
?: How can Republics ‘teabag’ when they have no balls?
April 14th, 2009 at 10:34 amHOENIG: SCREW YOU GAIZ, I’M GOIN HOME
April 14th, 2009 at 10:36 amThat loud mouth Ringer looked like Mr. Peepers from SNL.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:37 amAh, the old “Are you going to believe me or your lying eyes?” routine.
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April 14th, 2009 at 10:44 amThank you, TP, for being a leading voice in calling out the corporate hypocrites as they continue to CREATE FAUX news instead of just supposedly REPORTING FAUX news.
These are absolutely NOT grass roots events organized spontaneously by average Americans. 90% of Dems and 57% of Independents AGREE with Obama.
These are organized by Dick Army’s Freedom Watch, News Corp, Rush Limbaugh, Michelle Malkin, Glenn Beck and Republican PAID operatives.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:47 amThis is so stupid. The American patriots were protesting taxation without representation, there is none of that here.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:47 amMost people just got a tax break thanks to Obama and the Congress. The only people who will have their taxes increase are the upper tax group, and that won’t happen until Bush’s tax cuts expire. It is much ado about nothing. I think it is an excuse for the Republican base to whine about Democrats, Obama, gay people, brown and black people, etc.
Every time I turn on Fox they are promoting this stupidity.
Right on Faiz, it’s been a long time now that I’ve been wishing I’d see this kind of thing. I’m finding it hard to believe that they had you on, or after accepting the invitation that you were actually allowed to speak. And I’ve got to say, damn good job of not letting them talk over you ! Awesome.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:47 amWith any kind of luck this will generate a spike in their all-important ‘ratings’ and we’ll see a lot more of it.
And as a side note, it will be funny when fox has say, ten heads on the screen at the same time.
The fact that the FoxBots can deny that they are supporting teabagging while sending several of their talking heads to appear and speak at teabagging events pretty much proves that Fox now recognizes that the crazies who watch their swill will believe anything they are told by the big glowing picture box.
By the way, has anyone figured out yet exactly what the teabaggers claim to be protesting?
April 14th, 2009 at 10:47 amPAYNE: “Faiz, let me just jump in. There’s a big difference between covering something and promoting it.”
At which point Faiz could have pointed out the difference” that FOX News is participating in the movement, not just reporting on it!
But Hoening would have interrupted immediately and talked over Faiz. There was no way Faiz was going to gain any traction with Hoening yammering over him and Payne happily allowing him to drown out Faiz’s words with noise.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:47 amNice work, Faiz. You got Hoenig in quite a tizzy. :-D
“That’s not twue! why do you keep saying that!”
**snort**
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April 14th, 2009 at 10:48 amThis is more like “representation without taxing your brain”.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:51 amHow have so many people gotten so excited about something so vague? “We want our liberties back”? What liberties? Where did they go? Who is holding on to them? I’m so confused!
April 14th, 2009 at 10:51 amgreat job, faiz!
i can’t watch, but the text was exciting!
teeheeheehee. faiz said “wazoo”!
April 14th, 2009 at 10:52 amGreat job Faiz , how many hours of practice did it take to be able to continue talking while being shouted at full volume as you speak .
April 14th, 2009 at 10:52 amI can’t wait until tomorrow. We’ll get to see these rightwingnut conservatives expose themselves and all of their rascist hatred. They deserve to be pimped by these corporate lobbyists who are just using them to do their bidding. I seriously doubt if tens of thousands are going to show up for these ridiculous ‘tea parties’ that’s why Fake News keeps pumping them up. They didn’t win the ‘culture’ wars and they’re certainly not going to win this one either.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:54 amAh, and Moveon as well as Soros crept in there yet again. Same ol standby’s, same ol tired ideas, same ol defense of the undefendable.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:54 amThe purpose of the original Stamp Act was to raise money to pay for a “world war” which was arguably started by George Washington, between France and Great Britian.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:55 amNewt, after getting neutered in office, can’t teabag anymore.
Mark Foley is his proxy, with Larry Craig running a distant second.
Are they really going to teabag in public tomorrow?
What about the kids? The family? Those all important ‘values’?
April 14th, 2009 at 10:56 amPAYNE: Faiz, let me just jump in. There’s a big difference between covering something and promoting it.
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True. But Payne can’t see that difference, nor can any of the other marionettes at Fox News.
To them, what they’re doing is merely covering the issue — as their owner sees it. Otherwise Payne would be able to recognize that phrases like “why it’s time to party like it’s 1773″, “growing chorus of Americans that want their country and their liberties back”, and “remember, you have a right to voice your opinion and fight back” are editorializing and opinion — not hard news facts.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:57 amI loved the part … ” they’re fed up Charles with this collectivist self sacrificing BS being propagated in our culture right now . They’re seeing individual rights certainly economic rights being destroyed …..
April 14th, 2009 at 10:58 amJesus how do these guys manage to get up in the morning and look at themselves in the mirror .
larkohio: “I think it is an excuse for the Republican base to whine about Democrats, Obama, gay people, brown and black people, etc.”
Indeed. In the pix I;ve seen so far of teabaggers, they;ve all been white. The carry banners claiming Obama is a Socialist AND Hitler. They are all pretending this is about taxes when they ALL are getting a tax break—facts be damned.
They are ALL ‘Sammy-Joe Weaselbuggerer’ the Not-Plumber/Fake Journalist/Failed Author/Tax Idiot now.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:58 amThey are the bitter losers of the election and they are all the Republican Party has left.
Billdo,Beck,Cavuto,and the rest of the talking d$ckheads at fox lies have to be laughing at their viewers. The people who watch that crap are so gullible. The d$ckheads probably sit around making fun of them for believing their lies,and getting them to go to these tea bagging events.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:00 amThe best virtues of humanity and civilization are merely an obstacle for these self serving monsters .
April 14th, 2009 at 11:01 amMr Hoenig needs to look up “collectivist.”
And what the hell is wrong with self-sacrifice?
April 14th, 2009 at 11:02 amThanks Faiz for your journey into the belly of the beast. Did you need to be deloused after leaving FOX Studios? I hear they’ve have had some infestations of bed bugs, falafels and Ex-Administration criminals of late. You’d hate to bring any of THAT home with you. Did you see Rupert the Media Pirate while you were there or do they blindfold you like it was the batcave?
April 14th, 2009 at 11:02 amWhen Payne talks about Americans “want(ing) their country and their liberties back,” implying without explanation that Americans have somehow lost their country and their liberties, he’s pushing propaganda, not covering a news story.
But then, what do we expect from the propaganda network? They’ve been lying and spinning so much and for so long that for most of them, their false reality IS the truth.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:05 amFaux is reacting, as usual, to fear. Fear that Obama will succeed and Republicans are on their way out in the long term. And they’re reacting like scared animals. (Very wealthy scared animals).
April 14th, 2009 at 11:07 amI love it when the children fight amongst themselves.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:09 amTomorrow there will be a number of these manufactured astroturf events held around the country. Fox News will “cover” them. And their coverage will no doubt include proclamations of how this is proof that Americans oppose President Obama’s policies.
Fox News will conveniently ignore that the overwhelming majority of the country still approve of the job Obama is doing, and support his policies.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:09 amWow… I’ve never heard of “Mr. Peepers” before and haven’t watched SNL since 1992, but I LITERALLY just came from a website that made a Mr. Peepers Joke also… (an abridged script for zoolander…not providing link spam.)
I think I just won an internet.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:09 amHe couldn’t even end the interview without promoting the Tea Party. The ability to disconnect from reality and make up one of your own is a GOP skill that’s jaw-dropping.
http://www.pufferfishblog.com/
April 14th, 2009 at 11:10 amI need a few answers from our resident conservatives:
1. What liberties has Obama removed from your life? This is an honest question — name a single liberty or right that Obama has taken from you. Just one.
2. How much have your taxes increased under Obama? Please give both percentage and dollar amounts.
I request this because … well, I don’t recall you all complaining when Bush tossed aside Habeus Corpus, the 4th Amendment, and the Geneva Conventions … I don’t recall you screaming for small government when the Dept. of Homeland Security was created … and I don’t recall your complaints about deficits when Bush took a $500 billion surplus and turned it into a $500 billion debt.
So unless you can show me where Obama has ignored the Bill of Rights or increased taxes on all but the top 5% (and even then, an increase of just 3%), your blustering is nothing more than the cries of petulant children who just can’t accept the fact they lost.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:11 am5th Estate Says: They are the bitter losers of the election…
They don’t see it that way. As with their “culture war,” they aren’t interested in coexistence, democracy or pluralism. The idea of “losing an election” and having to respect and acknowledge the authority of a new administration is simply alien to them.
It just reveals more and more their utter contempt for secular democracy, other than when they were able to exploit it to enforce their idealogy upon the populace. When it fails them – as it has finally – they dismiss it’s validity and begin crying for revolution.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:15 amThis is insane. These ‘Tea Parties’ (I noticed they dropped the ‘bags’. snark) are the biggest waste of time since Geraldo’s opening Capones safe. These people have seriuos mental health issues.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:15 amGood job holding your own Faiz!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:15 amWhat is right though is the growing chorus of Americans that want their country and their liberties back.
And who was it who took their liberties away? It sure wasn’t the Democrats. I guess they think that the rich having to pay an extra 3% in taxes is “taking our liberties away”.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:17 amTeabaggers Unite!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:18 amI can’t wait to hit up the NYC tea party tomorrow at City Hall. Im bringing a video camera to document that only 10-20 people in a city of 8 million and the home of Fox News believe this nonsense.
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FOX is no longer just reporting the news. They are creating the news by promoting controversial events before they have taken place and proselytizing a specific agenda with the stated goal of assisting the GOP play the role of obstructionist. They are little more than a propaganda machine for the Republican party.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:19 amWhere is b-cup to tell us that some of the protesters are legitimately concerned about spending, and thus, the teabagging parties are entirely justified as a grassroots movement?
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Ya know it’s funny as can be. When Liberals hold protest…they are enlightened and supposed to be standing up for their rights against the terrible government…but when Republican and Independents do it…it is denigrated and treated as a disease of some sort? Could it be that the left is not tolerate of ANY views except their OWN?
I read all the post here with great amusement each day. It seems you do nothing but do the same things that you accuse the other people of doing. In the real world we call that being a Hippocrate…plain and simple.
You don’t like people getting together to voice their opposition to B.O…that is just too bad. We have had to suffer you’re whining and crying for many years now…until we are just fed up with it.
You swarm here like flies on Crap…patting each other on the back…while you sit in you’re little cafe’s drinking Starbucks coffee…thinking how great and enlightened you are. You accomplish nothing…a lot of you are just career students who live off Mommies & Daddies money…or the States…and cry about how life is holding you down.
What you have is green eyed jealousy…because someone has something that you want and think that is unfair. Oh darn the rich. They are evil. They are holding us down. They don’t pay their fair share. They don’t play by the rules. Sound like you?
Better you should get a real job…work you’re way up like the rest of us did…pay you’re dues…and sit back and watch someone like yourselves try and take it away from you.
Grow up and grow a set.
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/
It’s coming folks
April 14th, 2009 at 11:29 amAs Faiz said, the tea parties are not the grassroots movement Fox News would like you to believe.
– - The Tea Party idea was hijacked by the far Right:
April 14th, 2009 at 11:32 amhttp://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/09/telling-tea-party-truth/
This is probably the remnants of the explosively diarrhetic “Freedom Walk.” Remember that Rumsfeld-inspired travesty?
Goose-stepping the course is optional, but encouraged.
Apparently they’ve retrofit the framework of that teeth-clenching bowel thunder into this bucket of steaming ‘patri-odd-ic’ fervor. Why settle for reality when you can fake it?
April 14th, 2009 at 11:35 amGod I hope so.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:38 amRealityCheck Says: You don’t like people getting together to voice their opposition to B.O…that is just too bad. We have had to suffer you’re whining and crying for many years now…until we are just fed up with it.
Debating policies is a wonderful thing. It’s how we learn and find better solutions. But protesting policies which don’t exist, policies which were invented and continuously presented as fact in order to incite an uneducated and armed base to violence… is just insane.
And questioning the authority of an elected president to enact policy, demonizing him as an [whatever-sounds-bad]-ist, hinting at armed revolution… not so cool either.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:39 amdickdata42 Says: The purpose of the original Stamp Act was to raise money to pay for a “world war” which was arguably started by George Washington, between France and Great Britian.
The Stamp Act lasted one year (1765-1766) and was imposed to recover some of the expense the Seven Years War, part of which was fought in the American colonies.
The Tea Act of 1773, on the other hand, was an elimination of taxes on Indian tea.
The East India Company which had a monopoly on the Tea trade was being taxed into oblivion on tea specifically (the British government demanded 2 shillings and sixpence a pound in import duty) and the EIC was having other financial problems as well (famine and unrest in India for instance).
Ben Franklin actually proposed the Tea Act to prevent EIC’s collapse, (imports to England would still be taxed, but EIC was given permission to sell to the colonies without a government levy) and he also thought the American Colonies would be thrilled to have cheap high quality tea.
The sudden availability of cheap high quality tea would ruin the American tea smuggling business ( which was nearly 4 times the size of the official trade, in volume).
I’m not sure but I think Samuel Adams had an interest in the illegal tea trade and so did many others of course. They also were denied getting in on the newly cheap tea trade because the contract was exclusive to EIC.
So the Stamp Act has nothing to do with Tea or “Tea Parties” and in fact the Boston Tea Party had nothing to do with taxation without representation, per se, or of course higher taxes. Instead it was a tax break on a product that undercut the illegal American tea trade.
The Boston Tea Party was, in modern terms, a bunch of drug dealers protecting their economic turf. ANd the Tea Party was a ‘false flag operation not only in it’s sloganeering, but in fact—masquerading as Indians, the Indians would therefre be blamed for the acts of tea smugglers.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:39 am48. RealityCheck Says: In the real world we call that being a Hippocrate…plain and simple.
You’re branding us…physicians? The only thing simple here, realitychump, is you.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:39 amPublicans like PayneInTheAss remind me of the first muppet, Ralph, who appeared on the ‘Jimmy Dean Show’ in the late 60s.
His favorite thing to do was to watch Jimmy perform one of his idiotic stunts, then look the audience square in the eye and pronounce:
“The man has no shame”!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:40 amJonathan Hoenig obviously gets teabagged on the regular.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:41 amOh good. An old fashioned troll teabagging. First one teabags the other, then they switch places.
The troll fails to recognize that TP bills itself as a partisan organization.
Faux News still tries to claim itself as “Fair and Balanced™”
Ah, forget it. The trolls will never be able to comprehend reasoning of that subtelty.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:41 amDid I just hear the hollowed out laugh of a brainwashed lemming?
April 14th, 2009 at 11:41 amI’m looking forward to the teabagger parties tomorrow; at least the IRS will know where to find thousands of tax cheats all at the same time…
April 14th, 2009 at 11:42 amBoom. Done.
The troll tartare is good and fresh today.
…of course, it’s troll, so “good” is relative, but it’s certainly fresh.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:43 amralph, the trolls lug around a gigantic mallet, which they call ’subtlety’.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:45 amMayhaps they’ve had a few too many slips of the mallet swing, resulting in semi-permanent psychosis.
The nerve of conservatives to open their mouths and actually voice opinions. Who do these clowns think they are? Screaming and yelling in the streets and acting like maniacs has been and always will be the left-wing domain and for them to try and steal this really upsets me!
April 14th, 2009 at 11:45 am#
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Dr. Moth Matt Says:
RealityCheck Says:
Ya know it’s funny as can be. When Liberals hold protest…they are enlightened and supposed to be standing up for their rights against the terrible
When liberals hold a protest it is not sponsored and advertised for weeks and week by a so-called “fair and balanced news outlet”.
No…it is sponsored by the so called Mainstream press nad NBC. Remember Cris Matthews still has a tingling leg or whatever for you’re wingnut B.O.
Fox News is #1 for a reason and they are kicking all the other news outlets combined by a whopping margin! Sucks to be you.
by the way…how does it feel to see B.O. bow down to the Saudi King of Muslims? How does it feel to watch you’re hero go back on his word and now let Iran keep making nuclear fuel for their bomb…because he doesn’t have a set?
When those idiots light off the big on in a city like Seattle or San Fran…who are you going to blame now that the DemocRATs are calling the shots?
Just asking?
April 14th, 2009 at 11:46 amThe sense of grievance on which this astro-turf ‘rebellion’ depends for any sense of legitimacy is real.
We’re ALL pissed at the largesse strewn in the paths of the bankers, and the thorns and adders that BOTH the departing Busheviks AND the arriving Obamanistas have thrown down in front of the Big Three and the Unions–conveniently lumped together byt eh Health Insurance industry now as ‘enemies.
The “people” are pissed, the great sweaty inchoate monster is gradually stirring from decades of somnolence.
And the demagogues of the Right, sensing the movement, are practicing the arts of disinformation which they’ve so polished and refined over the last 40 years. They still control the public pulpit that is the Press, in whatsoever form it now consists. The “press” is now and forever more, as an institution, in the clutches of corpoRat/State ideology.
These tea-baggings tomorrow will get far more coverage than the participation in them would otherwise deserve because the ‘press’ everywhere, in every town, city, burg and village will be focussed on the “tax day” story and will be desperate for material to fit the official propaganda theme of the day: pay your taxes–an ironic admonition from corpoRat entities which ship their cash out all over the globe in search of havens wherein they can ESCAPE taxes.
There is a counter-movement. Small, un-financed, un-planned, un-organized: a typical liberal effort to reply to a Puke meme framed by the corpoRat fascists. They’re doing street-gatherings in some cities. There’s one here in Albuquerque, as a matter of fact. Details at FBIHOP.
But it’s days late, and dollars short of the local, slick, well-funded effort by the teabaggers, set for a middle-brow lounge in Albuquerque’s predictably White, predictably Rightard NE Heights.
They’re running radio ads on the clearchannel station that runs the ‘liberal’ radio station here, 1350AM, during the Thom Hartmann show–the only time I was listening–yesterday. The ads are boilerplate ‘aggrieved conservative’ issues, but played for the emotional effect of revenge. The only reference to the teabaggers is in the last sentence of the outro.
Clever, well-financed, “good” propaganda–good, in the sense of accomplished, and effective.
There were 60 million folks more or less who voted against “thePrez.” That’s a huge constituency, especially if built on the platform of “betrayal,” and the substantial REAL reduction in living standards that is unavoidably going to follow.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:49 amTahanks, Faiz! Courageous work, well-done.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:49 am48. RealityCheck Says: You swarm here like flies on Crap…
We swarm here, but you flies/trolls bring the crap…
patting each other on the back…while you sit in you’re little cafe’s drinking Starbucks coffee…thinking how great and enlightened you are.
Well, enlightened enough to pluralize “cafes” and understand the difference in ‘your’ and ‘you’re.’
You accomplish nothing…
Except annoying you and getting you to shlep back to our ’swarm’ every day. Every day. Good dog…
a lot of you are just career students who live off Mommies & Daddies money…or the States…and cry about how life is holding you down.
That’s right; why I still have to walk all the way to my mailbox to get my gov’t. check. And interrupt my day to fetch my Starbucks. I’ll be happy when they deliver and I never hafta leave the basement.
Down here with you, realitychump…
April 14th, 2009 at 11:52 amDr. Moth Matt Says:
http://governor.state.tx.us/news/press-release/12227/
It’s coming folks
AMEN!!! One less red state the rest of country has to support. Good riddance!
This one less red state has most of the US’s fuel…We would be glad to keep it to ourselves and watch the rest of you have to ration fuel or finally come to you’re senses and drill baby drill.
Oh…isn’t it the Liberal blue states who are crying the most about needed money by the way? How’s that bankruptcy doing in California doing about right now? Forgit Arnold…(you’re ready excuse)…that state has been going under because of it’s liberal leadership for many years now.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:53 amfollow-up/amendment to #60.
(the British government demanded 2 shillings and sixpence a pound in import duty)
The Boston Tea Party was, in modern terms, a bunch of drug dealers protecting their economic turf.
To give you an idea of the level of taxation 2s-6p per pound represented in 1773: Umm…2-/6 is 1/8th of a Pound Sterling so maybe that doesn’t sound like much of a tax. but that was like a week’s wages. That level of taxation made tea as expensive as Beluga caviar today.
“Drug dealers” is too harsh–though tea was/is a stimulant and a potent one at the time. ‘Black marketeers’ would be a more appropriate characterization.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:53 amwatchdog Says:
TP rails against FOX all the time but the truth is it has the best discourse among all new organizations.
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Fox is the ONLY news “outfit”, to date, that I know of that has defended itself in court by claiming it has the RIGHT TO LIE and call it news.
The best discourse? You are kidding, of course.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:56 amBut protesting policies which don’t exist, policies which were invented and continuously presented as fact in order to incite an uneducated and armed base to violence… is just insane.
You’re in “Big Lie Country,” now, darlin’!
That’s how it’s done. It’s never failed yet. Hitler learned the trick by studying Edouard Bernays, Freud’s nephew who coined the phrase “the manufacture of consent,” back in the Teens of the last Century, while he was figuring out how to sell Woodrow Wilson’s War to a very reluctant population, a task at which he ultimately succeeded, to the eternal chagrin of several scores of thousands of young Americans in the trenches and the gas and the mines and the machine-guns and the high explosive of Belgium and France.
The demagogues control the means of information production, which means that the Big Lies go on unchecked, and enter the ‘conventional wisdom.’ That’s why it’s so important to control the frames…
April 14th, 2009 at 11:57 am89. watchdog Says: Now we have hundreds of thousands of people protesting and you hear nothing from the other media outlets.
Quite possibly because you don’t have ‘hundreds of thousands of people.’
Q.E.D.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:57 am5th estate says: The Boston Tea Party was, in modern terms, a bunch of drug dealers protecting their economic turf. And the Tea Party was a ‘false flag operation not only in it’s sloganeering, but in fact—masquerading as Indians, the Indians would therefore be blamed for the acts of tea smugglers.
Sounds like just the thing for Republicans to get all warm and fuzzy about.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:59 amRealityCheck Says:
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Ya know it’s funny as can be. When Liberals hold protest…they are enlightened and supposed to be standing up for their rights against the terrible government…but when Republican and Independents do it…it is denigrated and treated as a disease of some sort? Could it be that the left is not tolerate of ANY views except their OWN?
Ya know you need a REALITY CHECK. You rightwingnut trolls are so way off base. You wingnuts have NO purpose, NO real ideas or solutions and very little intelligence. From what I’ve seen of the rightwingnut agenda and these so called “tea parties” there’s very little substance except to call Obama a socialist or any other name you all can think of. You wingnuts think we’re JEALOUS of your wealth but the truth is most of the rightwing/republican base are extremist, uneducated, poor, rascist, sexist, neo-nazi tools looking for someone to blaim for their economic situation. I wouldn’t want to be you if someone paid me all the money in the world. Ignorance is bliss to you fools who would like our President to fail! There is a huge difference and you’re too blind and foolish to see it!
April 14th, 2009 at 12:00 pmRealityCheck Says: by the way…how does it feel to see B.O. bow down to the Saudi King of Muslims? How does it feel to watch you’re hero go back on his word and now let Iran keep making nuclear fuel for their bomb…because he doesn’t have a set?
Is everything with your “side” about proving your manhood? About constantly needing to prove how you’re bigger and stronger than the next “guy?”
April 14th, 2009 at 12:01 pmJust why is it the Republicans have to pay to generate a protest? There were many protests in the past 8 years, most totally ignored by the media. Now we get a Republican backed protest being supported by lobbyists, special interest groups, news media.
Just think what their dollars can buy.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:05 pmUpdate: Pat Garofalo notes this priceless quote from MSNBC’s David Shuster: “If you are planning simultaneous tea bagging all around the country, you’re going to need a Dick Armey.”
More specifically a “Ball Armey” but I digrest.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:05 pmSeriously though, the whole teabagging joke is getting kinda stale. I guess the funniest part is that Republicans seem to be oblivious to the term.
But, a news organization is suppose to cover the news, not create it.
Dr. Moth, that is a deplorably “last Century” attitude. Since the successful consolidation of the “news” into the corpoRat entertainment/propaganda industry, “news” has itself become a consumer item. Your news is as good as you can afford. Tweet/twitter/text: It all costs money. Cf. that kid whose dad took a hammer to her ‘phone after she ran up a $5k bill…
They’re ahead of the curve, cuz it’s their curve…they own it, and you and me and all of it.
that’s just the truth…
April 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pmWhile Texas has the 19th best unemployment rate at 5.7, they are 28th in per capita income.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pmGood, not great.
90. Dr. Moth Matt Says:
Lest we forget the red states are the biggest consumers of porn…
April 14th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Dr. Moth Matt Says:
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Red States Feed at Federal Trough, Blue States Supply the Feed
THANK YOU!!! STICK THAT IN YOUR TEABAG AND SMOKE IT! TROLLS!
April 14th, 2009 at 12:07 pmIf these teabagging parties were truly newsworthy and not a sham perpetuated by faux, don’t you think someone, anyone would have picked up on the story?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:09 pmwatchpuppy…watchpuppy, would you care to field that question?
washedup has to go back to 1968 to find some evidence to buttress his argument?
The fact that the evidence he digs up has nothing to do with Faux promoting teabagging parties like they’re the latest prime-time show is entirely expected. It’s just sad that he had to go back four decades to dig up something completely irrelevant. He could have dug up something just as irrelevant by only going back, say fourteen years. Let’s say the Million Man March, that Neil Cavuto insisted Faux News covered just as vigorously. (Only problem: Faux News wasn’t in existence then. Oops.)
April 14th, 2009 at 12:11 pmIt’s really hard to hold any credibility when you claim your network isn’t doing something then 2 seconds later you do it. It’s like a kid telling you he’s totally cool to just hold the hammer, you turn around for a second and you hear a loud crash. He couldn’t even say it right, all he did was read the teleprompter. ZOMBIE JOURNALISM
April 14th, 2009 at 12:12 pmSo basically, the red states are on welfare, sitting around watching/renting videos of naked people…well, teabagging!
So, that’s where they got the name of this movement…it all comes clear to me now…
April 14th, 2009 at 12:12 pmGood point, Hooda. How many anti-war protests were even covered by Faux, let alone covered with any kind of journalistic dignity?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:13 pmwatchdog Says:
However, do you oppose a media outlet sponsoring and advertising for the Tea Bag parties?
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I think it’s more the artificiality and hypocrisy of the whole thing.
It’s being promoted as a grass roots uprising but it’s not.
“Fox News hosts have repeatedly encouraged viewers to join them at several April 15 protests that they are attending and covering; during the April 6 edition of Glenn Beck, on-screen text characterized these events as “FNC Tax Day Tea Parties.”
Sorry, but when you have a national media outfit deliberately helping to organize and promote it, it’s not a grass roots uprising. Nor is Fox, as a “news channel” being “fair and balanced”.
But hey, Fox claimed in court it had the right to lie and call it news… what do you expect from that crowd?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:14 pmCoverage of an event, that hasn’t happened yet, is promotion.
Great job, Faiz!
And I’m a liberal who drinks Dunkin Donuts coffee.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:15 pmKateWords Says:
Is everything with your “side” about proving your manhood? About constantly needing to prove how you’re bigger and stronger than the next “guy?”
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April 14th, 2009 at 12:17 pmWow…
The TP regulars just kinda opened-up a hive of whup@ss on the trolls.
Not much left after the trollkins puffed up from anaphylactic truth allergies…
April 14th, 2009 at 12:21 pmI think it’s has you Liberals scared. “YUP”
April 14th, 2009 at 12:21 pmI think it has you Liberals scared. “YUP”
April 14th, 2009 at 12:23 pmyeah, i’m shaking in my boots at the thought of a bunch of faux news zombies throwing teabags into rivers. bunch of sore-assed losers who deserved to be mocked
April 14th, 2009 at 12:24 pmI hope the legitimate news channels cover these teabaggers. Most Americans don’t watch Fox and it will be a good thing for them to see all those knuckle draggers in action. Too many Americans are unaware of the stupidity that lurk amongst Fox News viewers.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:24 pmspring heeled jack Says:
Coverage of an event, that hasn’t happened yet, is promotion.
This is the definitive point on this whole issue. No troll can find any instance in which any other broadcast outfit has given such coverage to an event that has not happened. And sold t-shirts for it.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:26 pmThe Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity Says: Sorry, but when you have a national media outfit deliberately helping to organize and promote it, it’s not a grass roots uprising. Nor is Fox, as a “news channel” being “fair and balanced”.
I read (or heard) someone comment recently that with the absence of any valid leader of the conservative movement, it’s FOX News that’s truly moved in to fill that void and accept that role, providing a consistent central voice to rally the conservative base. They aren’t just “influencing” the agenda, they’re the ones actually leading and directing it now.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:26 pmjay Says:
I think it’s has you Liberals scared. “YUP”
“NOPE”. Think again. I wish there was such an event near me. I would take a lawn chair, an Obama poster, a pot of tea, and a cup. I’d sit drinking my tea and enjoy myself laughing at the protesters.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:29 pmYour grasp of the English language scares me, personally.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:29 pm“YUP”. People getting together to protest Obies Spending Habits.
People taking an interest in how the country is being run. How dare they?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:30 pmRealityCheck Says
April 14th, 2009 at 11:46 am
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So much drivel, so little time…
“Fox News is #1 for a reason and they are kicking all the other news outlets combined by a whopping margin!”
– Why is it that high ratings is somehow an indicator of correctness and accuracy? Hitler had high ratings, too. It didn’t mean his propaganda wasn’t propaganda. And your claim of Fox News beating “all the other news outlets combined” is an overstatement.
“Sucks to be you.”
– Um…no it doesn’t, actually.
“by the way…how does it feel to see B.O. bow down to the Saudi King of Muslims?”
– In the first place, King Abdullah is the King of Saudi Arabia, not the “king of Muslims”. And in the second place, I don’t have a problem with bows to royalty — I don’t interpret that as anything significant. Now if Obama had put his butt up the king’s royal hiney as the Bushes have done, that would be different matter.
“How does it feel to watch you’re hero go back on his word and now let Iran keep making nuclear fuel for their bomb…because he doesn’t have a set?”
– Hmmm…maybe because the Bush policy hasn’t really worked? Your statement is a wild exaggeration — President Obama has never endorsed the idea of Iran making nuclear weapons, and “let(ting) Iran keep making nuclear fuel for their bomb” isn’t what he’s proposing. Try paying attention to what he actually says instead of getting your talking points from wingnut blowhards. And it’s “your” — not “you’re”.
“When those idiots light off the big on in a city like Seattle or San Fran…who are you going to blame now that the DemocRATs are calling the shots?”
– I assume you mean “the big one”, whatever that is. If the United States is attacked as a direct result of Democratic policies, I will blame the Democrats. Just as when it’s attacked as a direct result of Republican policies, I will blame the Republicans. But if we are attacked by a group of crackpots with some skewed theological notions, I will blame the attackers.
“Just asking?”
April 14th, 2009 at 12:31 pm– And why are you asking these things? They have nothing to do with the topic of the thread. It’s like you just felt compelled to dump your entire load of troll talking points for the day here. And I must say that if this is all you have, it’s not very impressive.
And the Anti-American Scum Sucking Republicans are not smart enough to realize that they got a tax reduction, and of course these same idiots will believe the lying shitforbrains propaganda spewing Fixed News liars that somehow their taxes are being actually raised.
Fcuk the Republicans
April 14th, 2009 at 12:32 pmIt scares you to no end doesn’t it, Buckie Boy?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:35 pmjay you totally missed the point. “New” channels are supposed to cover the news not create the news.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:35 pmFunny thing… none of them made a peep when George W. Bush was more than doubling the national debt.
How dare they?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:37 pmYou mean like during the Election last year, right?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:37 pmMeaning what? Did some news network sponsor and promote an election that otherwise would have been a flop?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:38 pmIs this another Fox talking point?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:40 pmYes, jay, I am scared when the American people are easily duped by a “news outlet” that participates in propoganda and lies.
Do you have any defense of said propoganda and lies?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:40 pmAnd Obie tripled it in 60 days. Spent more money than all the previous Presidents in the history of this country combined.
Sooner or later the bill will come due. You pay for it.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:40 pmWhy? Did you hear it on Fox news?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:41 pmAnd Obie tripled it in 60 days. Spent more money than all the previous Presidents in the history of this country combined.
Proof?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:42 pmjay Says:
I think it’s has you Liberals scared. “YUP”
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Hmmm… you seem to have “fear’ confused w/ “hysterical laughter”…
April 14th, 2009 at 12:43 pmJay,
Which Presidents increased the deficit most in the last 30 yrs?
Which raised taxes the most?
Which President reduced the deficit most?
If you would allow the honest answers to these questions to penetrate your sphere of prejudice, you wouldn’t be all wound up this way.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:43 pmI think they are more balanced than MSNBC but who watches that channel anyway? Fox has been tops in the ratings for years. It seems someone is watching. That is what scares you.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:44 pmProof?
First of all, I think you’re confusing “national debt” and “federal deficit”.
Second of all, the federal deficit is still on Bush’s watch — the federal government is operating under a Bush budget.
If you’re going to try to make compelling arguments, you might want to know WTF you’re talking about.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:44 pmJay – Fcuk the Republicans
Scared of what? The moron 28%ers? They have no power, the Repukes are done, all this is is sour grapes from Anti-American Scum…
…like you.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:44 pmjay Says:
And Obie tripled it in 60 days. Spent more money than all the previous Presidents in the history of this country combined.
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Geez, jay… this is silly beyond words.
You’re not even trying.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:44 pmof course you do.
Can you explain what this means to you?
Do you ascribe this ratings success to a triumph of the conservative message in the marketplace of ideas?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:46 pmjay Says:
Fox has been tops in the ratings for years.
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Actually, compared to free television, Fox’s audience is rather small.
When you take into account, Fox’s endless posturing about being THE ALTERNATIVE to all other news sources, Fox’s numbers aren’t nearly as impressive as you’re pretending they are.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:46 pmNow you bring out the “prejudice” card. You “so called Progressives” always rely on that nonsense in an argument lately. Nothing to say that’s relevant?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:47 pmHow do you feel about it?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:48 pmSorry, jay… you’re STILL not saying anything.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:48 pmjay, TRoHS is right. You’re not even trying.
Rather than address these troubling questions that tombaker posed, you misread his statement about prejudice, whether out of ignorance or desperation, to try to shift the argument toward an irrelevant topic.
Demonstrates cowardice, jay. Or else really bad reading comprehension.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:48 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
Do you ascribe this ratings success to a triumph of the conservative message in the marketplace of ideas?
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I think jay’s afraid to answer your question ralphie.
He must have left his Newticles® home today.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:49 pmNot really. Because President Obama included the cost of Bush’s Iraq war in the budget to give an honest assessment of what we owe. Bush kept it out of the budget to deceive dimwits like you.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:49 pmAsk yourself that same question.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:49 pmI’m not pretending anything. Just stating the facts.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:49 pm138. jay Says: I think they are more balanced than MSNBC but who watches that channel anyway? Fox has been tops in the ratings for years. It seems someone is watching. That is what scares you.
Yeah, they match the ratings of Professional Wrestling and Wheel of Fortune. Ironically, that about sums up the republican solutions for foreign policy and economic issues…
April 14th, 2009 at 12:49 pmIt is rude to answer a question with a question and makes you appear ignorant. Oops, too late, never mind.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:51 pmYou keep to the talking points like a good liberal. Name calling ends your credibility. It is something that people like you do.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:51 pmSooner or later the bill will come due. You pay for it.
Says the republican who supported one war and one occupation that cost billions and had no noticeable affect on the safety or well being of Americans. Too funny. Looks like you are afraid that the bill HAS come due.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:51 pmI am interested in your opinion. Are you afraid to answer the question?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:51 pmjay, I doubt you would know “relevant” if it teabagged you.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:51 pmjay Says:
Actually, compared to free television, Fox’s audience is rather small.
When you take into account, Fox’s endless posturing about being THE ALTERNATIVE to all other news sources, Fox’s numbers aren’t nearly as impressive as you’re pretending they are.
I’m not pretending anything. Just stating the facts.
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The facts? Like “And Obie tripled it in 60 days.”
That’s silly beyond words.
Actually, you’re ducking what both ralph and I said.
You DON’T have the Newticles to answer ralph’s question, jay.
You’re a coward.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:52 pm153. Doodlebug Shayne Says: It is rude to answer a question with a question and makes you appear ignorant. Oops, too late, never mind.
“Appear?” more like ‘verify’…
April 14th, 2009 at 12:52 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
I am interested in your opinion. Are you afraid to answer the question?
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Clearly, ralphie… clearly. He’s TERRIFIED of it.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:53 pmAnd Obama continues the policy. 83 billion more for the war, more people being killed and he’s not done yet.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:53 pmI’m interested in your opinion. Are YOU afraid to answer?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:54 pmHe didn’t say “racism” he said “prejudice”. Maybe you should look the word up in the dictionary. You seem even more confused.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:54 pmjay Says:
I think it’s has you Liberals scared.
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You keep to the talking points like a good liberal.
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You “so called Progressives” always rely on that nonsense in an argument lately.
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Nothing quite like an endless string of cliches, stereotypes and meaningless generalizations to make a non-point, huh?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:56 pmWow, TRoHS. jay’s not even pretending to answer. he’s just flat ducking the question. What a pussy, huh?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:56 pmI didn’t bring out the “racism” comment. You just did.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:56 pmThe FACT is most Americans DON’T watch Fox News. Just dim bulbs like you.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:57 pmjay Says:
I’m interested in your opinion. Are YOU afraid to answer?
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Cool… he’s regressing to “I KNOW what you are, but do you know what I am?”
jay… the surrender monkey…
April 14th, 2009 at 12:57 pmIt seems that it’s you who are ducking the question Ralph.
What is it, only you can ask questions? Answer a few.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:57 pmjay’s spinning round like he’s blindfolded and swinging at a piñata, folks. And instead of hitting the piñata, he’s clearing all the bric-a-brac off the bookshelves.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:57 pmReal intelligent post. Nothing to say?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:58 pmjay has answerphobia.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:58 pmI love the editing. First off these aren’t the first tea parties. I attended a protest in Atlanta in February and I met the person who organized the whole thing and she wasn’t an employee of some corporate lobbying group. Secondly is their any lobby groups that support the Center for American Progress Action Fund? Any Billionaires? Could CAPAF actualy be a lobbying group itself? This guy is forgetting that the individual has to make the choice to take the day off work and drive to one of the hundreds of protests and stand up for what they know is right. America is realizing that we can’t spend trillions upon trillions of dollars and remain a viable country.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:59 pmjay, that is priceless!
tell me, what’s your secret… no self-awareness, or no shame?
April 14th, 2009 at 12:59 pmjay Says:
I didn’t bring out the “racism” comment. You just did.
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This can only mean one of two things.
jay either doesn’t understand the meaning of the word “prejudice” in this context (highly likely)…
Or…
jay really isn’t even trying to make sense… equally likely.
April 14th, 2009 at 12:59 pmI’m playing your game Ralph. You know how it’s played. We play it often here, you and I.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:00 pmralph the wonder locust Says:
tell me, what’s your secret… no self-awareness, or no shame?
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April 14th, 2009 at 1:01 pmI never mentioned racism, you did. You need to learn how to read English. I do know the meaning of “prejudice”, how about you?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:01 pmSo for 8 years the war was the greatest thing ever to you people and anybody who didn’t vote to fund the troops was anti American. No 3 months after Bush is out of office you think President Obama should just forget the troops we have there so it doesn’t cost you any more money. Way to support the troops.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:02 pmjay Says:
ralph the wonder locust Says:
jay, that is priceless!
tell me, what’s your secret… no self-awareness, or no shame?
I’m playing your game Ralph. You know how it’s played. We play it often here, you and I.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:03 pmReally? Then what exactly were you saying here?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Nice try.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:04 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
jay Says:
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Doodlebug Shayne Says:
jay Says:
Now you bring out the “prejudice” card. You “so called Progressives” always rely on that nonsense in an argument lately. Nothing to say that’s relevant?
He didn’t say “racism” he said “prejudice”. Maybe you should look the word up in the dictionary. You seem even more confused.
I didn’t bring out the “racism” comment. You just did.
Really? Then what exactly were you saying here?
jay Says:
Now you bring out the “prejudice” card. You “so called Progressives” always rely on that nonsense in an argument lately. Nothing to say that’s relevant?
Why don’t you go back and read it again. Bring your dictionary with you.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:05 pmIt’s odd, and a bit daft, to complain about spending and responsibility in the same breath. A great deal of Obama’s spending is to repair damage caused by his predecessors and much of the rest is to address foundational problems.
It’s just that the stupid trollish types have swallowed so much BS for so long that their version of reality doesn’t match the available facts.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:06 pmSorry ’bout that.
Okay, jay, if we’re playing my game, then, in this game the one who is asked the question first must answer before asking a return question.
You don’t get to respond to a question by simply asking another without answering and then claim that I’m “ducking” you question.
Check the rule book, dude.
You have to answer the question or you lose your turn, and all credibility.
In the interest of making it easier for you,
Do you ascribe this ratings success (of Faux News) to a triumph of the conservative message in the marketplace of ideas?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:06 pmDoodlebug Shayne Says:
So for 8 years the war was the greatest thing ever to you people and anybody who didn’t vote to fund the troops was anti American. No 3 months after Bush is out of office you think President Obama should just forget the troops we have there so it doesn’t cost you any more money. Way to support the troops.”
No, the left just picks and chooses what to get angry about. If it was really about not being in a senseless war, the left would be up in arms over Afghanistan and now Somalia. If it was really about the cost, which is less than 600 billion, the left would be up in arms over stimulus and bailouts.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:06 pmWhere was your concern when Bush invaded Iraq for absolutely no reason and spent a trillion dollars trying to secure oil leases?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:08 pmI’m sure you believe every word you posted. There were absolutely no Democrats responsible for anything that has happened in the past. They can only do good in your eyes. That is why you are on this site. You need like minded people to justify your thoughts.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:08 pmI was standing right behind Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton. I also listened to Ted Kennedy and many others who were calling for the downfall of Saddam.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:10 pmSo Osama bin Laden didn’t really train the terrorists in Afghanistan it was just a lie told to us by Bush and Cheney? And are you suggesting President Obama is going to invade Somalia? Or do you think he should have done nothing and let the hijackers kill the captain so you reich wingers could call him a coward who did nothing?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:11 pmBased on the falsified intel supplied by Bushco.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:13 pmEVERYONE “picks and chooses what to get angry about”. People who don’t “pick and choose” and get angry over everything are really damaged and have no place in society.
Seriously? You don’t see a qualitative moral difference between the war in Afghanistan and the invasion of Iraq?
And WTF are you taking about in Somalia?
No, because we on the left have this ability called “critical thinking”. We don’t lump everything up based simply on cost. We judge whether the cost is worth the benefit, and make our judgments based on that.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:14 pm“So Osama bin Laden didn’t really train the terrorists in Afghanistan it was just a lie told to us by Bush and Cheney? And are you suggesting President Obama is going to invade Somalia? Or do you think he should have done nothing and let the hijackers kill the captain so you reich wingers could call him a coward who did nothing?”
I’m not suggesting obama is going to invade Somalis, he is. I am proud of the President for giving the order to take out those scum bags. I don’t agree with how the Iraq war was carried out and going into Afghanistan we need to do it right. I believe you missed my point.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:15 pmYou have no idea who you’re talking to, jay. pete is not any kind of “typical lefty”.
And your assessment that people here never criticize Democrats demonstrates that you’re either incapable of ingesting information that conflicts with your preconceived notions, or you don’t spend much time here.
You certainly don’t spend much time here answering questions put to you, that’s been established.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:16 pmAnd it’s doubly ironic to see those who have blathered about the “librul media” since I was a kid, despite no real case, fail to see that FAUX has clearly stated their position as the voice of opposition.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:17 pmWhen he does, THEN you’ll have an argument to make.
Until then, you’re simply asserting as fact your own fantasies.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:17 pmralph the wonder locust says:
And WTF are you taking about in Somalia?”
See this is why you need to watch or read real news, not left wing blog sites. The President said yesterday that we need to go into Somalia and take out the pirate training bases, send aid and train them to have their own national guard. Sound familiar?
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Doodlebug Shayne Says:
jay Says:
I was standing right behind Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton. I also listened to Ted Kennedy and many others who were calling for the downfall of Saddam.
Based on the falsified intel supplied by Bushco.
You really don’t know anything about this subject, do you?
Pelosi was the ranking member on the House Intelligence Committee who’s job was to verify all the information coming in. She and Hillary were calling for the removal of Saddam in the late 90’s and gave speeches to that effect.
Hillary also stated that she wouldn’t rely on the Presidents information and would check things out for herself and then make a decision.
So you go and learn a little more about what led up to the Invasion of Iraq. Don’t look in the Liberal Talking Point sites. Do some real research for once.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:18 pmjay… I’m still waiting…
do i need to go over the rules of the game again for you?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:19 pmAnd this is why you need to pay attention to reality.
As i said, when the President authorizes an invasion of Somalia, then you will have something to argue.
Until that point, you are asserting as fact your own fantasies.
Besides, since when do right-wingers trust what Obama says?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pmpete Says:
It’s odd, and a bit daft, to complain about spending and responsibility in the same breath. A great deal of Obama’s spending is to repair damage caused by his predecessors and much of the rest is to address foundational problems.
It’s just that the stupid trollish types have swallowed so much BS for so long that their version of reality doesn’t match the available facts.
I hear ya Pete. It’s like complaining about how much water the firefighters are using to put out the fire.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pmRalph, I spent hours on hours answering questions from you people. You already know that. You should answer some yourself.
I played your game already, remember?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:22 pmRP2012 Says:
I love the editing. First off these aren’t the first tea parties. I attended a protest in Atlanta in February and I met the person who organized the whole thing and she wasn’t an employee of some corporate lobbying group.
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That’s odd… Atlanta? Not according to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_%22tea_party%22_protests
A blogger known as “Liberty Belle” called for and organized[18] the first tea party protest of 2009 which took place on February 16 in Seattle, Washington.[19] A protest was held in Denver on February 17[20] and a protest in Mesa, Arizona on February 18 brought 500 protestors.[21][22]
By February 19, 2009, in a broadcast from the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade, CNBC market commentator Rick Santelli, criticized the government plan to refinance mortgages as “promoting bad behavior”, and raised the possibility of a “Chicago Tea Party”.[23][24][12]
And this:
ChicagoTeaParty.com, registered in August 2008 by Chicago radio producer Zack Christenson, was live within twelve hours.
Huh… ChicagoTeaParty.com, registered in August 2008…
Gee… a website named “ChicagoTeaParty.Com”, organized SIX MONTHS EARLIER.
ChicagoTeaParty.com was just one part of a larger network of Republican sleeper-cell-blogs set up over the course of the past few months, all of them tied to a shady rightwing advocacy group coincidentally named the “Sam Adams Alliance,” whose backers have until now been kept hidden from public. Cached google records that we discovered show that the Sam Adams Alliance took pains to scrub its deep links to the Koch family money as well as the fake-grassroots “tea party” protests going on today. All of these roads ultimately lead back to a more notorious rightwing advocacy group, FreedomWorks, a powerful PR organization headed by former Republican House Majority leader Dick Armey and funded by Koch money.
http://www.wikio.com/news/Zack+Christenson
Geez, RP2012, your little story appears to be about as genuine as the whole teabagging thing. Nice try though.
I think jay and RP2012 are just trying to drag this thread completely off topic.
Time to flag?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:22 pmI don’t play your game anymore. You answer the question I put to you. Be a good boy now.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:23 pmI just watched the video.
Faiz you were perfect. That one idiot just kept trying to shout you down even though you had the mic, every time you said the truth about Fox promoting this nonsense event.
It was perfect. Each time you pointed out how Fox was promoting it that guy started blowing a head gasket and trying to shout you down. His right wing nonsense talking points like accusing of you getting your information from “move on” was classic and you didn’t let it ruffle your feathers one bit. You just kept on asserting your message even though this others so called “guest” wanted to drown you out over his own protests.
Even the host, Charles Payne denied that Fox was promoting it, and went on to pompously lecture you on the difference between promoting and “covering” the event.
Only to turn around and completely promote the event.
Brilliant work. Well done. Now lets hope the MSM picks up on this interview and shows American’s what Fox is all about, which is working against this President no matter what he does.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pmjay and RP2012 are just trying to divert attention from the tea bag joke.
Read the links in what I posted above.
Spontaneous grass roots uprising my Cheney.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:25 pmI love when these FAUX News lovers come here to remind us that their outlet is number one in cable tv news. They feel justified that they are a part of something big. Nevermind that the true number of fools that watch FOX comprise a miniscule percentage of the American populace. Nevermind that most dem/lib/progressives get their news from places other than cable tv news. Nevermind the plain fact that if you break down the numbers, the nation is roughly split along party lines. There are what, three big cable news channels? So if the half that are based in reality are split between CNN and MSNBC that obviously leaves the regressives with their own “news” channel and a lion’s share of the ratings. It breaks down pretty simply but don’t tell the FOX Fools, let them enjoy their irrelevancy.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:25 pmSo once you answer questions, that gives you a free pass to not answer other questions?
The game goes like this, jay:
if someone asks you a question, you answer it. Once you answer it, you can then ask a follow-up question, but only once you’ve answered it.
If you fail to answer, and then complain about the original questioner failing to answer your follow-up, you lose your credibility.
Does that sound too complicated for you?
See, it’s not really a “game”, jay. it’s called dialogue. Discourse. Exchange of ideas.
But the way you’re playing it, it just seems like trolling.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:26 pmI didn’t drag this thread off topic, you people did. Go back and read it for yourself. It’s in English.
I still say that you are afraid that people are getting together to protest the spending that your party has gone way overboard on. I think you’re scared.
I think it’s time to “Flag” those who did drag it off topic.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:27 pm204. jay Says: I don’t play your game anymore. You answer the question I put to you. Be a good boy now.
Wait…wait, let me guess…another right-wing apologist trying revisionist versions, won’t answer straight questions, professes to actually have been involved in policy-or an eye witness, pronounces/dismisses facts as ‘left-wing talking points…’
..and won’t come within 10 miles of an honest-to-goodness debate issue.
How’d I do?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:28 pmThe Republic of Hymenoptera Stupidity
That’s odd… Atlanta? Not according to this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/ wiki/ 2009_%22tea_party%22_protests
A blogger known as “Liberty Belle” called for and organized[18] the first tea party protest of 2009 which took place on February 16 in Seattle, Washington.[19] A protest was held in Denver on February 17[20] and a protest in Mesa, Arizona on February 18 brought 500 protestors.[21][22]
By February 19, 2009, in a broadcast from the floor of the Chicago Board of Trade, CNBC market commentator Rick Santelli, criticized the government plan to refinance mortgages as “promoting bad behavior”, and raised the possibility of a “Chicago Tea Party”.[23][24][12]”
Do you mean to tell me you are using wikipedia as a source? wikipedia? The website where anyone can change the information? I was actually there buddy and I actually met the women. I can give you face book page if you’d like. Wow….
April 14th, 2009 at 1:29 pmoh and I didn’t say ATL was the first tea party, I said these tea parties tomorrow aren’t the first.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:29 pmThat’s your game Ralph. The way I play is to ask questions also. I’m not the answer man. I answer a question, you answer a question. So answer the question.
Your version of a “dialogue” is for me to only answer your questions. Sorry, you need to look up the word in the dictionary Ralph.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:31 pmHey Jay these lefties can’t handle a good debate, especially when 10 of them get proven wrong from two of us!
April 14th, 2009 at 1:32 pmDo you mean to tell me you are using wikipedia as a source? wikipedia? The website where anyone can change the information? I was actually there buddy and I actually met the women. I can give you face book page if you’d like. Wow….
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Huh… ChicagoTeaParty.com, registered in August 2008…
Gee… a website named “ChicagoTeaParty.Com”, organized SIX MONTHS EARLIER.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:32 pmI’m sure you see it just that way. You don’t debate here, you single out your opponent and then gang on and attack as is very evident in what is happening here right now.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:33 pm211. RP2012 Says: Do you mean to tell me you are using wikipedia as a source? wikipedia? The website where anyone can change the information? I was actually there buddy and I actually met the women. I can give you face book page if you’d like. Wow….
“Facebook?” The website where anyone can not only change, but make up the information?
Wow, indeed…
April 14th, 2009 at 1:33 pmCan anyone offer an explanation as to what exactly jay finds so intimidating or off-putting about this question:
Do you ascribe this ratings success (of Faux News) to a triumph of the conservative message in the marketplace of ideas?
I mean, jay had made a point of Faux’s ratings being number one, but he didn’t elaborate on why that was important. I asked him to clarify his opinion, but for some reason he is reluctant to answer the question.
Does it seem like an intrusive or inappropriate question to ask?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm214.RP2012 Says: Hey Jay these lefties can’t handle a good debate, especially when 10 of them get proven wrong from two of us!
No, honey, it just makes you twice as stupid and uninformed…
April 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pmRP2012:
I’m not suggesting obama is going to invade Somalis, he is.
Alrighty then…
April 14th, 2009 at 1:36 pmTheir form of debate is when they ask all the questions and you’re supposed to give them answers. That’s Ralph’s game.
They don’t debate here, they just gang on and call names.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:36 pmRP2012 Says:
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Huh… ChicagoTeaParty.com, registered in August 2008…
Gee… a website named “ChicagoTeaParty.Com”, organized SIX MONTHS EARLIER.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:37 pmI asked you what you thought about it. Does that seem like an intrusive or inappropriate question to ask?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:38 pm216.jay Says: I’m sure you see it just that way. You don’t debate here, you single out your opponent and then gang on and attack as is very evident in what is happening here right now.
You don’t have the teabag to go toe-to-toe with me in a debate. You’ve already introduced a myriad of fallacies to try to advance falsehoods.
You’re outta your league, little boy.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:41 pmYou’re proving that true.
But… you didn’t answer the question.
You first.
Wow, you really have a limited comprehension of the language, don’t you. Sorry, jay, but my version of a “dialogue” is for questions to be answered and followed up with other questions. The first step is for one party to ask a question. The second step is for that question to be answered. The third step is for another question to be asked, perhaps by the second party (although in Socratic dialogues, the questioner does not necessarily get asked anything).
You failed to complete Step Two and tried to skip on to Step Three. Why is that?
Thanks for your concern, jay, but your demonstrated grasp of the fundamentals of the English language certainly haven’t restored any of the credibility you lost by failing to answer the question in the first place.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:42 pmHuh… ChicagoTeaParty.com, registered in August 2008…
Gee… a website named “ChicagoTeaParty.Com”, organized SIX MONTHS EARLIER.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:44 pmNot intrusive, no, but it seems inappropriate when you refused to answer the same question first.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:44 pmSounds nothing like Iraq.
Iraq wasn’t actively permitting terrorism from its shores, seizing ships, kidnapping people from countries all over the world, holding them for ransom, etc. Somalia is. If the government of Somalia asks for help taking out these criminals then I am sure President Obama will put together a REAL coalition, and take them out.
So?
It’s nothing like Iraq. Nothing.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:44 pmGee… where’d RP2012 go?
he had such a good line of patter going on…
April 14th, 2009 at 1:45 pmReally jay? Do you have a link for all these assertions? Or should we just believe it because that’s what Fox News says happened? While you’re at it could you tell me why Bushco outed covert CIA operative Valerie Plame?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:46 pmI’m sure you believe that also. So far you haven’t shown me anything. Like I said, you people don’t debate here. You just gang on and stroke each others ego’s.
Why don’t you try and explain your statement. I advanced no “fallacies” and advance no “falsehoods”.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:46 pmJust like yesterday President Obama had the US Navy take out these Somalia pirates and freed their hostage.
Can’t help but notice Fox isn’t praising him for that one.
If Bush had done that, they’d be doing round the clock specials praising him.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:47 pmYeah, your game is to not answer any questions. That’s REAL debate, right?
To be quite clear, jay, I’m perfectly willing to answer questions. I just object to answering the same question i just asked you when you refused to answer it.
Seems pretty reasonable to me.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:47 pmOh, and just my two cents worth on what drives Fox news ratings.
There’s always going to be good and evil in this world.
There’s always going to be a division of people who embrace lies and deceit, and call good evil and evil good.
So there will always be an audience for Fox.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:48 pmGee… where’d RP2012 go?
Mebbe he was due for his regularly scheduled, daily tea bagging session…
April 14th, 2009 at 1:49 pmThen I’m sure you’ll supply the link to prove they’re not falsehoods.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:50 pmI didn’t see it on Fox news. I read it from the speeches that were given by those people and a little investigation into what their Government positions were at the time they made those statements. It’s called learning the facts. You should try it some time.
Plame outed herself in a number of cocktail parties where she went around boasting that she worked for the CIA. It wasn’t a really big secret in Washington circles. It was just a Democrat witch hunt. Your use of the term “Bushco” just shows me that you are not interested in any comment I might make in the matter. Are you trying to divert the topic away from the Tea Parties. If you are then you are a Troll and need to be flagged.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:52 pm231. jay Says: Why don’t you try and explain your statement. I advanced no “fallacies” and advance no “falsehoods”.
Like shooting turds in a toilet bowl…
189. jay Says: I was standing right behind Nancy Pelosi and Hillary Clinton. I also listened to Ted Kennedy and many others who were calling for the downfall of Saddam.
This is a fallacy called “Appeal to Authority.” It seeks to convey an unearned expertise or experience to a source of claims or assertions in order to advance a subjective point of view in lieu of hard fact.
Q.E.D.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:54 pmYou can find them the same way as I did. Start with Nancy Pelosi’s committee assignments from 1998 till 2002. That’s a good place to start. Then you can read the speeches she and Hillary both gave to congress. Sorry but they are not Liberal sites. It would take some effort to learn the truth on your part. Get away from this site and do some reading. It’s not very hard to find the information.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:56 pmjay Says:
Plame outed herself in a number of cocktail parties where she went around boasting that she worked for the CIA.
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A little proof of this claim would be nice.
Where’d your friend go? Off getting tea bagged?
April 14th, 2009 at 1:56 pm237. jay Says: I didn’t see it on Fox news. I read it from the speeches that were given by those people and a little investigation into what their Government positions were at the time they made those statements. It’s called learning the facts. You should try it some time.
Plame outed herself in a number of cocktail parties where she went around boasting that she worked for the CIA.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:57 pmCite your source. Dates and times when she allegedly did this from credible sources.
So what you’re saying is that you don’t know about these speeches made by these people but you are spouting your nonsense here where no one challenges you.
Intellectually lazy on your part.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:58 pm239. jay Says: You can find them the same way as I did. Start with Nancy Pelosi’s committee assignments from 1998 till 2002.
That’s not how debate works. You claim a position, you provide the sources. You don’t make up sh¡t then send people on wild goose chases. If you can’t provide substantive proof, you’re a fraud.
Cite your proof of your claim.
April 14th, 2009 at 1:59 pmKinda like being asked a direct question about your opinion, and trying to turn it around on the questioner without answering?
That seems kinda “intellectually lazy” too.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:01 pm242. jay Says: So what you’re saying is that you don’t know about these speeches made by these people but you are spouting your nonsense here where no one challenges you.
Nowhere was that position claimed or stated. Another fallacy is claiming an irrelevant conclusion. Your claim to ‘experience’ is irrelevant and unprovable. In short, bullsh¡t.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:02 pmNancy Pelosi’s web site (job duties). Congressional record. Not a bias source in the lot.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:03 pmThen you do know of all this information.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:04 pmSo that “Tea Party” is tomorrow?
:|
Did you guys happen to look at a weather report for DC tomorrow?
April 14th, 2009 at 2:05 pm246. jay Says: Nancy Pelosi’s web site (job duties). Congressional record. Not a bias source in the lot.
Cite your sources to prove your claim… You do know what a hyperlink is, correct? Link directly to the relevant bit, not to Pelosi’s website as a scatter-shot goose chase. I want dates and times of these claims…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:05 pmNancy Pelosi’s website is the source for your claim that Valerie Plame outed herself at cocktail parties?
I’m afraid we’re gonna need a link.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:05 pm247.jay Says: Then you do know of all this information.
Irrelevant and evasive. Cite your sources…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:07 pmDon’t worry, it’s all in English. Look up Pelosi’s duties and then look up what those duties were.
Then move on to some of her speeches. Do the same for Hillary and Ted Kennedy and many others.
Or you can just mouth off here.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:08 pmHere’s a tidbit to help you along.
As a member of the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence for 10 years (the longest continuous period of service in the committee’s history) including two years as the Ranking Democrat, Pelosi worked to ensure that policymakers and military commanders are provided with the timely and accurate intelligence necessary to guide diplomatic initiatives, succeed in combat, and protect U.S. military forces.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:10 pmhanshiro, should you explain to jay what a “hyperlink” is? Maybe point out the “link” button in the reply box.
I don’t think he understands the concept.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:11 pm252.jay Says: Don’t worry, it’s all in English. Look up Pelosi’s duties and then look up what those duties were.
That’s not how a debate works…(again). Cite your sources to prove your claims. Otherwise, you’re a fraud.
Guess you really can’t debate a liberal, can you, fraud? Still waiting for your ‘proof’ big mouth…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:12 pmI believe in negotiated solutions to international conflict. This is, unfortunately, not going to be the case in this situation where Saddam Hussein has been a repeat offender, ignoring the international community’s requirement that he come clean with his weapons program. While I support the President I hope and pray that this conflict can be resolved quickly and the international community can find a lasting solution through diplomatic means.
This statement was made before congress on December 16, 1998.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:12 pmOf course, it’s only one of many concepts jay doesn’t understand…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:13 pmThis might be a firstin history:
The poor taking to the streets to fight for the rich.
This Fox con-job makes me want to watch The Stingagain.
Thanks Cleetus and Cooter and Jay and RuPaul for reminding me of one of my favorite classics!
April 14th, 2009 at 2:13 pm256. jay Says:
Funny, didn’t see a word about Plame in there….
April 14th, 2009 at 2:14 pm*oops, I should space after italics!
April 14th, 2009 at 2:14 pmRalph, you know I do my own research as you all should do.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:14 pmLinks are bias.
Notice, you take the (R) out of ‘proof’ and the claim goes, *poof*
April 14th, 2009 at 2:15 pmCongrats, jay.
You just made the Troll Hall of Fame with this one.
Actually, the committee cited your entire body of work on this thread, but this comment sealed the deal.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:15 pmI’m still trying to figure out why they were planning these things since before the inauguration, if not earlier.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:16 pm261.jay Says: Ralph, you know I do my own research as you all should do.
Links are bias.
Fraud…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:16 pmTold you, jay, you didn’t have the teabag to debate a liberal toe-to-toe.
Pussy….
April 14th, 2009 at 2:16 pmYou brought up Plame, not me. You’re attempt to control the subject and to divert from the original thread is noted. You should be flagged for doing that.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:16 pmThe people rising up to complain about Obies Spending and that of the House and Senate scares you people. It means that people are increasing the opposition to the Liberal stranglehold on the country.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:19 pm267. jay Says: You brought up Plame, not me. You’re attempt to control the subject and to divert from the original thread is noted. You should be flagged for doing that.
Oh look, a falsehood by jay…who saw that coming? Who coulda missed it? jay the liar in 3…2…1…
237. jay Says: I didn’t see it on Fox news. I read it from the speeches that were given by those people and a little investigation into what their Government positions were at the time they made those statements. It’s called learning the facts. You should try it some time.
Plame outed herself in a number of cocktail parties where she went around boasting that she worked for the CIA. It wasn’t a really big secret in Washington circles. It was just a Democrat witch hunt.
Huh. Looks like jay is into fallacies and falsehoods, just as I clearly stated. Tsk…having your @ss handed to you by liberals, jay. I didn’t even break a sweat…
No sources, no proof, no teabag.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:21 pmYou lost when you started the name calling. I didn’t see anything to debate in your nonsensical posts. You just wanted me to do all the work for you. Do your own research, you might just lean something.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:22 pmjay came on board this thread and labeled us “scared”. I responded:
Yes, jay, I am scared when the American people are easily duped by a “news outlet” that participates in propoganda and lies.
Do you have any defense of said propoganda and lies?
jay answered by repeating that we are “scared” of the FOX ratings, never answering my question. jay is here to disrupt and insult, not to debate.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:22 pmjay offers further proof of his intent with his latest post 268, repeating his “scared” meme.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:23 pm270. jay Says: You lost when you started the name calling. I didn’t see anything to debate in your nonsensical posts. You just wanted me to do all the work for you. Do your own research, you might just lean something.
You made a claim you couldn’t back up. You lose. Calling you names just verifies what you’ve already demonstrated. It’s not calling names if it’s the truth.
Pussy…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:25 pmI am not worried about these “teabaggers” one tiny bit. Besides being so out of touch that they would call themselves that and not realize it has a double meaning.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:25 pmDon’t get yourselves worked up over this…because, even though the right religous base of the republicans think they are protesting against Obama they are actually protesting against George W. Bush! The taxes that we are paying right now are the taxes from the BUSH ADMINISTRATION, so in reality they protesting Bush’s taxes not Obama’s….for gawd sakes don’t these people think before they do ANYTHING…LOL…it does make for comedy though.
I guess for most conservative politicians right now pulling there pants down and showing their “teabags” is the only way to make them feel powerful…OMGROFLMAO!!
Thanks for that recap, PLC. It dovetails nicely with the issue I’ve been chasing with jay since he brought up Faux’s ratings.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:25 pmThe point was that Bush/Cheney had the intelligence community supply falsified info to the member of these committees. Doh! I’d provide you a link but you don’t believe in them since you believe they are “bias”.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:26 pmMy original point was that you people are scared. I stand by that opinion. Anything that disagrees with your closed minds is instantly labeled “propaganda”.
Like I said, you don’t debate here. You gang up and attack, call names, and insult me. You haven’t earned the right to debate me on anything.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:26 pmjay Says:
The people rising up to complain about Obies Spending and that of the House and Senate scares you people. It means that people are increasing the opposition to the Liberal stranglehold on the country.
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Riiiiiiiiiiight… a “spontaneous, grass-roots uprising…”
Huh… ChicagoTeaParty.com, registered in August 2008…
Gee… a website named “ChicagoTeaParty.Com”, organized SIX MONTHS EARLIER
April 14th, 2009 at 2:27 pmHey jay!
Pussy…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:27 pmralph, that’s precisely why I did the recap. jay is just like his bird name-sake – loud, aggressive, and more likely to steal than find its own sustenance.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:28 pmAnd where does jay get the teabagables to threaten us with flagging. Is this site called Think Likearightwingnut?
April 14th, 2009 at 2:29 pmjay got beat by liberals…without even any effort.
Hope the teabaggers have better idioti than jay. What a disappointment, ‘course jay’s used to hearing that…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:29 pm… says the guy who refuses to answer a straightforward question, then pretends that the questioner owes HIM an answer to the same question turned around…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:30 pmOh, oh, jay’s at the poor-me, crying stage. Somebody get a towel.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:30 pmApparently, jay thinks that “insisting on an answer to a straightforward question” is “attacking”.
Explains why he’s pulling out the well-worn victim card.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:31 pmThe “jay” (J) must stand for ‘jejune…’
April 14th, 2009 at 2:32 pmj
You show us here calling us scared with closed minds before anybody said anything to you. And then you complain of us attacking you. What do you think you did first? You right wingers are just a bunch of whiny babies who think you’re victims. You’re victims of your own stupidity.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:33 pmThe point is that Nancy Pelosi was reading reports on Saddam since 1998. She insisted then that Saddam had WMD’s and should be taken out. That was long befor Bush and Cheney were elected. That opinion was given to the President in 2002 when she made a speech to Congress as the “Ranking Democratic Member” of the Intelligence committee.. She had the power and was in the position to question everything that was coming into the country. If she was truly duped then she wasn’t doing her job.
Go educate yourself.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:33 pmRight. I’m sure you see it just that way. People like you always do. Go back and read what truly happened. It’s in English.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:35 pm288. jay Says: The point is that Nancy Pelosi was reading…heehaw…heehaw…
The point is, you’re a liar and a fraud who can’t provide proof or source of your right-wing talking points.
Pussy…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:36 pm289. jay Says: Right. I’m sure you see it just that way. People like you always do. Go back and read what truly happened. It’s in English.
Can’t even go toe-to-toe in a debate against a liberal. What a…(you know…)
April 14th, 2009 at 2:37 pmYet you still haven’t answered my question.
One simple little question Ralph. It’s even on topic.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:37 pmThe leading lights of the Reichwhiners begin every other sentence with, “I’m afraid”, and the stupid troll claims anyone outside his gang is “scared”? Alas, he’s too effing stupid to realize what that says about him.
That’s the whole impetus behind the remaining base of the GOP. They are completely unable to admit their own complicity in the crimes and failures of our nation. They live, if one can call it that, in a state of perpetual terror. So? They are desperately afraid of those who don’t filter what doesn’t conform to their fantasies.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:38 pm292. jay Says: Yet you still haven’t answered my question.
“Go find your own answers.”
Pussy….
April 14th, 2009 at 2:39 pmThe point of this thread, jay, is that FOX is claiming to “report” on the tea parties when they are, in fact, promoting them. Your “points” are more like the annoying little stickers that attach to one’s pants when one is walking through a field – useless and hard to remove.
Go Cheney yourself.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:39 pmWhy in the world would a group people “attack” someone who showed up and his first comment was, “I think it’s has you Liberals scared. “YUP”?
This is obviously a poster who was here for debate. How craven of us liberals to “attack” him with straightforward questions and well-sourced and linked facts.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:40 pmAnd you’re still name calling. Intelligent post. I provided you with all the help I’m going to give you. Educate yourself or remain ignorant on a bias site. The information isn’t hard to find. You will not look for it because you are who you are and choose to remain ignorant.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:40 pmAs I said before, jay, I asked the first question. So you answer first. that’s the way grownups behave. And actually most school-age kids behave that way, too.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:41 pm297. jay Says: And you’re still name calling.
And you’re still a pussy. Source-free since you started.
Pussy…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:43 pmjay, the correct phrase is “biased site”. If you are going to call us and our website names the least you could do is get that right. You probably calls our party the “democrat party”, too.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:43 pmDo you think that my statement was meant to open up a discussion? It clearly wasn’t. I made a comment like many others did here about the topic at hand. Geez Ralph, I thought you had a better grasp of the English language. You are always telling me that you do.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:43 pmjay, any disinterested observer would likely conclude that you have richly earned any of the many names you’ve been called here today.
Particularly “pussy”. That one fits best.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:44 pmJay: I’ve got evasive excuses and I’m not afraid to use ‘em…
Know what that makes you, jay? Rhymes with ‘wussy.’
April 14th, 2009 at 2:45 pmAnd what does that make you? I told you where you can find all the information that you need to get started. Of course you have to be objective in what you’re reading to make a decision of what was going on. I know from your posts that you are not.
Educate yourself.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:46 pmAnother great intelligent post from you.
School yard stuff.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:47 pmThen you don’t get to whine about others not being able to “debate”. See how that works?
And because of the nature of that comment, you also don’t get to whine about being “attacked”. You attacked first. Live with the consequences.
Can you point out a single instance where I said anything about good my grasp is of the English language? Since I’m “always” telling you, it should be easy to demonstrate by pulling a quote. A link to the comment would be helpful too, but that seems beyond your skill set.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:48 pm301. jay Says: Do you think that my statement was meant to open up a discussion? It clearly wasn’t. I made a comment like many others did here about the topic at hand.
It wasn’t about the topic at hand whatsoever, it was an ad hominem attack on the posters here. Ad hominem is another fallacy.
Pussy…
April 14th, 2009 at 2:48 pmjay, your opening comment was NOT about the topic – it was about us “libruls”. You are as dishonest as FOX. I would have more respect for you and FOX if you both would honestly own what your obvious actions are.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:48 pmYou mean to say “Liberal observer” right Ralph?
April 14th, 2009 at 2:49 pmI don’t need your respect. I know who you are. The post was right on topic in relation to all the previous posts. Those posts were about Republicans which made my post relevant.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:51 pmNo, jay, he meant “disinterested” just as he said. I would agree with ralph that should a disinterested person read this thread, he or she would conclude that you came in with a bullseye on your shirt (front and back).
April 14th, 2009 at 2:51 pmUm, no… if I’d meant to say “Liberal observer” I would have said “Liberal observer”.
Not even a nice try. But then, a nice try from you would have been a striking departure from form.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:53 pm309. jay Says: You mean to say “Liberal observer” right Ralph?
“Poisoning the Well;” another fallacy. Another exposure of your preconceptions intruding upon your posts. Another verification that you’ve no sources or ability to debate.
(you know…)
April 14th, 2009 at 2:53 pmHence my point that, once you begin with an attack, you then don’t get to whine about others attacking you.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:54 pm310.jay Says: I don’t need your respect.
Then you won’t be ignorant and disappointed. Just ignorant.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:54 pmI don’t need your respect.
I didn’t say you did. I was just voicing my disrespect.
I know who you are.
I doubt it.
The post was right on topic in relation to all the previous posts. Those posts were about Republicans which made my post relevant.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:56 pm“Relevant” is a relative term. To whom was it relevant?
Look. I’m not new here. I knew exactly what was going to happen when I came here. You can hide behind all the nonsense if you want to but you people treated me just the way you always do, with contempt. Just because I don’t think as you do. That’s not being enlightened, it’s just being ignorant.
I’m not trying to please any of you or any “disinterested” people. I just made a statement and I stick to it. I don’t agree with any of the garbage that you people throw around here. If it makes you all feel good then fine.
Don’t try and convince me that you are better than I am because I can read all the posts and observe the tactic you use when someone disagrees with your narrowness.
April 14th, 2009 at 2:58 pmJay, how does it feel to follow a losing ideology? Since your comrades had all the power and anyone questioning the them was labeled anti-american by them, does that now make you anti-american? Did Fox News report on all the protests during the last presidency or did they ignore them? Yup, your scared, get under the bed.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:01 pmGreat post. “Relevant” is a relative term”.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pmI just made a statement and I stick to it.
You mean, “I think it’s has you Liberals scared. “YUP””.
Go for it Jay, stick with your statement. Reading the English posts before you showed up doesn’t show any signs of being scared, but then “it’s has you” is hardly English!
April 14th, 2009 at 3:04 pmHow does it feel to be closed minded. Half of the people in this country don’t believe as you do yet you shut them out. Well this tax day, some are speaking out against your Ideology and you and your ilk can’t stand it.
It’s the beginning of the end. If you think things are bad now then wait until all the new taxes hit the nation and I don’t just mean fro the rich. When that happens then you people will be swept from power just like after the Carter administration. It won’t happen overnight but it will happen.
As a matter of fact they did cover them.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:08 pmThe “being scared” was my observation. You don’t get out much do you?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:10 pm317. jay Says: Look. I’m not new here. I knew exactly what was going to happen when I came here.
Of course you did. You posted stupidities and attacks and we attacked back.
You can hide behind all the nonsense if you want to but you people treated me just the way you always do, with contempt.
We served what you ordered…and you did get served.
I just made a statement and I stick to it.
Perhaps if you shower off the cheese dust once in a while…
Don’t try and convince me that you are better than I am because I can read all the posts and observe the tactic you use when someone disagrees with your narrowness.
Yes, it’s called “the truth,” which doesn’t accommodate several and broad interpretations. It is narrow and requires sourcing and proof. You had none, so there’s no point in convincing you that we are better. We simply are.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pm322. jay Says: The “being scared” was my observation. You don’t get out much do you?
It was an attack; ad hominem. Fallacy. Equivalent to name-calling.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:15 pmThe only way this is true is if you mean that you don’t think that it’s important to answer direct questions, support your arguments with links to verifiable sources or to refrain from attacking others if you don’t wish to be attacked.
You never had any interest in debate. The only thing you were interested in was proving that if you acted like a dick, the people here at TP would respond to you as if you were a dick.
You proved that. Maybe it’s time to move on, huh?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:17 pmWhat is disgustingly cynical about this whole “tea party” thing, is that it is really an anti-Obama rally….continuation of those hideous Palin campaign rallies, and even more, they are protesting what George W. Bush did, not Pres. Obama……they are protesting Bush’s tax policy and TARP program!!
April 14th, 2009 at 3:17 pmHow does it feel to be closed minded. Half of the people in this country don’t believe as you do yet you shut them out. Well this tax day, some are speaking out against your Ideology and you and your ilk can’t stand it.
Ah the closed minded meme. According to your definition more than half the people where closed minded when Bush went stupid on Cheney’s trumped up “intelligence”. Did you let them in or did you shut them out.
You are free to speak out against what ever you want. Why are you afraid of people here speaking out against the corporate dishonesty shown by Dick Army and Fox News? Are YOU closed minded or do you just not think for yourself?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:18 pmHansiro, I’ve read many of your posts in the past months. You only see the truth when it “Your Truth”. Anything else is propaganda or from a bias site. You are who you are.
You should do your own research. I gave you the sources of my information. It’s public record. You are just using this “give me the link” crap to justify your own laziness and to hide your ignorance.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:19 pm328.jay Says: You should do your own…heehaw…heehaw…
Still source and proof-free, ladies and gentlemen…but like Coleman, all that’s left are annoying and baseless appeals…
It is over, Norm.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:22 pm… says the guy who refused to provide links because “Links are bias.”
April 14th, 2009 at 3:23 pmLeeHope Says:
What is disgustingly cynical about this whole “tea party” thing, is that it is really an anti-Obama rally….continuation of those hideous Palin campaign rallies, and even more, they are protesting what George W. Bush did, not Pres. Obama……they are protesting Bush’s tax policy and TARP program!!”
You are right and wrong. No they are not anti Obama rallies. Yes we are protesting what bush and his administration did. I hope you realize that Obama and his administration has already spent more money in 3 months than most presidents have during their entire time in office.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:25 pmThat’s just it, I do think for myself. That is why I don’t believe most of what I read and almost nothing of what I hear. I come here to see what the far left are saying but I rarely post anything.
You people(as a group) are very closed minded. Many of you are vulgar and almost all of you resort to name calling at one point or another. I should listen to you? Not in my life time. You are who you are.
I researched all those who were responsible for the information. I listened to what was being said by the people who were in the know (Pelosi, Clinton, Kennedy,) and made my own decision.
Something that you obviously didn’t do.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:26 pmThis post pretty much sums it up.
If you walk over to a sleeping dog and kick it, you can’t really complain when it bites you.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:26 pmFrom the guy who wouldn’t answer one question. Asks questions all day but won’t answer one.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:27 pmApril 14th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
jay, just in case you have any interest at all, here’s the way I and most of my friends at TP view links:
If I am making a point in a discussion, and I can support that point with a link to a sound source, I will always do that and make my argument stronger.
I know people are generally reluctant to seek out information that might contradict their beliefs, so I make it as easy as possible to lay that information before them.
I find it enhances my credibility and generally demonstrates a commitment to making judgments based on objective sources rather than partisan prejudices.
When someone from the other side steadfastly refuses to make his argument stronger by supplying links, my first thought is that their argument is not strong enough to stand up to objective scrutiny, and so they don’t want people to look too closely at it. (I’m not saying that’s you; I’m just saying that is a natural assumption to make when one refuses to support his argument with an easily-supplied link).
For what it’s worth.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pmI haven’t been bitten by anyone. You are always on a chain. I keep you people there. You are who you are.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:29 pm328.jay Says: You should do your own research. I gave you the sources of my information. It’s public record. You are just using this “give me the link” crap to justify your own laziness and to hide your ignorance.
jay, you are, in fact, a huge pussy.
Now, go find the information that will prove that statement. “It’s public record. Go educate yourself. If you can’t find it, you’re just looking in biased sources. Anything else is propaganda or from a biased site. I told you where you can find all the information that you need to get started. Of course you have to be objective in what you’re reading to make a decision of what was going on. I know from your posts that you are not.”
April 14th, 2009 at 3:30 pmI’ve told you several times, jay… I’m perfectly willing to answer any question you pose. My only requirement is that you first answer the question I asked you. Does that not seem fair?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:31 pmJay, why are you afraid of people here speaking out against the corporate dishonesty shown by Dick Army and Fox News?
I researched all those who were responsible for the information. I listened to what was being said by the people who were in the know (Pelosi, Clinton, Kennedy,) and made my own decision.
Something that you obviously didn’t do.
LOL. You weren’t listening to Bush, Cheney, Rummy et al? Seems you decided your research should end when all the trouble started.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:31 pmBeing polite does not make anyone anymore right.
The Nazi’s were polite in international debate too. Didn’t make their words any less wrong.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:32 pmThen why all the crying about being “attacked”?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:32 pmThen what are you blubbering for?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:32 pmMy information comes from the Congressional record and from the peoples own words. Anyone can read what was said. They should go look them up. Or they can keep asking for links from someone that they will never believe and remain ignorant. Your choice.
I do my own research Ralph. Why won’t you answer a single question? You’re a game player and I know that. You don’t impress me one bit. Go on and play.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:34 pmYou’re the only one blubbering here. You are really adding to the discussion.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:35 pmIf your “information” was a good as you claim one would think you’d wish to provide it yourself.
Most people making claims in here usually provide links, or at least excerpts and quotes.
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When that information says what they claim its saying…..that is.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:36 pmReally?
What exactly am I “blubbering” about?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:37 pmI was wondering when someone was going to bring up the Nazi’s.
What has that to do with anything. Your mother was polite so she was a Nazi?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:37 pmWhy don’t you tell me? You certainly aren’t adding to the topic with your posts.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:38 pm344. jay Says: My information comes from the Congressional record and from the peoples own words. Anyone can read what was said. They should go look them up.
You are, in fact a massive pussy, jay. Fact.
“My information comes from the peoples own words. Anyone can read what was said. They should go look them up. Or they can keep asking for links from someone that they will never believe and remain ignorant. Your choice.”
So that makes you a massive pussy, jay. I see how it works now…
April 14th, 2009 at 3:39 pm“You People”?
Which people are you referring to?
I’m a registered independent.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:39 pmAnd your post makes you sound intelligent, right?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:40 pmWell, jay what you said here does nothing to change the point I made — that links to good sources make an argument stronger.
You chose to leave your arguments weaker, and we have to wonder why.
And really, jay, this pathetic attempt to make me look like the one who won’t answer questions, which depends on your ignorance of my offer to answer any question you pose as long as you take the first step and answer the simple question I asked you first. Does that not seem fair?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:41 pmThat’s supposed to mean something?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:41 pmWell gee, I would if I were the one blubbering about being attacked.
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April 14th, 2009 at 3:41 pmStating facts. You know what a fact is, or do you?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:43 pmWell, for one thing it means I’m not a brainwashed right wing bootlicker, like you.
:)
That’s “something”.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:43 pmApril 14th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
I bet you think you’re intelligent also.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:44 pmNo, you’re ranting about Valerie Plame outing herself and when asked for proof you fail to provide any.
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Course, I guess that does pass for “facts” with the right wing.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:45 pmNo, actually I am amazed each waking morning that my brain generates enough electricity to get my legs moving.
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Course…that doesn’t bode well for your intellectual capabilities, given the discussion.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:46 pm352.jay Says: And your post makes you sound intelligent, right?
It’s every bit as verifiable as yours. Since neither one of us is required to provide links or sources. If you cannot find the proof that you’re a massive pussy: “Anyone can read what was said. They should go look them up. Or they can keep asking for links from someone that they will never believe and remain ignorant.”
“Educate yourself.”
Pussy…
April 14th, 2009 at 3:47 pmjay, do you have any comment about the content of the following statement and the confluence of journalism and socio-political philosophy implied by it?:
Just yesterday, host Stuart Varney declared, “It’s now my great duty to promote the tea parties.”
April 14th, 2009 at 3:47 pm“You people” keep that thought. I have a life. Feel free to do what you always do and call me names after I leave.
Hey, tomorrow is tax day, I hope you’re all payed up. Oh I forgot, liberals don’t have to pay taxes.
Well, never mind.
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:48 pmNope. What do you think about it?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:49 pm364.jay Says: “You people” keep that thought. I have a life. Feel free to do what you always do and call me names after I leave.
Okay, buh-bye..
Hey, tomorrow is tax day, I hope you’re all payed up. Oh I forgot, liberals don’t have to pay taxes.
Okay, buh-bye…
Well, never mind.
How can we miss you if you won’t go away? It is over, Norm…
(psst…Pussy…)
April 14th, 2009 at 3:51 pmI don’t think anyone’s having any difficulty calling you names while you’re still here.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:52 pmAnd your post makes you sound intelligent, right?
Says the poster who’s first post was “I think it’s has you Liberals scared. “YUP””
The intelligence in this post drips with irony.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:52 pmjay, I think it is a potential danger to our democracy, which relies on the electorate having factual information to support or challenge elected representatives regarding the issues of the day. I am extremely concerned about public airwaves being used to promote a particular political ideology while simultaneously claiming to be “fair and balanced”.
BTW, if you “know” about me, as you claimed, then you should be able to tell everyone now what I have previously stated about my views about paying taxes. Would you care to try?
April 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pmI think if they’re planning on protesting in DC they’d better bring some umbrella’s, because apparently their “God” that they’ve been praying to, ….which is supposedly so much “stronger than Obama’s God”, wasn’t able to push back the clouds for you.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pm:|
….much less win you the election.
April 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pmFor 8 years “you people” have been telling everyone else they had to “support the President”.
For 8 years “you people” have been telling everyone it was un-American and un-Patriotic to not support the President.
For 8 years the rest of the country listened to that from you.
Yet this President’s been in office for less than 90 days and “you people” are organizing PROTESTS against him?
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What happened to all that Patriotism stuff?
April 14th, 2009 at 4:00 pm10s of thousands of people at 500 cities ?
That is an average of 10 cities per state – seems a little high to me unless they include folks that get together in someone’s home.
They didn’t say how many 10s. So lets say 30,000 folks / 500 cities = 60 people per city.
What a crowd ! They may not even need a parade permit !
Oh, and how many people showed up, just in DC, for Obama’s swearing in ? was it more than 30,000 ?
Wonder what the total was, nation wide, that was either there or at some sort of group together to watch the event, plus looking at TV or streaming video ?
April 14th, 2009 at 4:04 pmHey Jay –
This pussy thinks, well, you’re a pussy.
Cheers!
April 14th, 2009 at 4:38 pmI never thought that i’d see the day where, so called, americans favored higher taxes and trusted government to actually spend your money wisely.
Wow, you folks have been completely brainwashed. The only explaination for your utter ignorance is the public education system. They stopped teaching history and the constitution in the 60’s and most of you are products of the later decades.
In the 1700’s you’d be called loyalists to the british monarchy. This definitely fits the profile considering most of you would bow, along side sean penn, to fidel castro and hugo chavez.
Media outlets like MSNBC and blogs like this have actually twisted your thinking and your anger against the working American citizens who are attending these tax protests. The same thing happened in the 1700s when the british monarchy turned the loyalists against the patriots who conducted the boston tea party.
How is it that you are not angry with a corrupt two party government that is using the working class to benefit their own agenda? DUH… big business is still getting bailed out. Money is still being diverted to lobbiests and unions. And, if you have a job, YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT.
April 14th, 2009 at 4:44 pmHi Tim43:
April 14th, 2009 at 4:53 pmCastro? Damn you have to be older than 43. Nobody gives a shit about Castro. Not even Castro…
Oh no, Jay goes and Tim43 shows up?
What’s going on here? We’d be called loyalists to the monarchy? Simply put WTF? You brainwashed backwards neocons have done nothing but support a monarchy for the past 8 years.
Grow up, make some sense or post somewhere else. Really, one Jay ahole a day is enough.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pmWell, since you’re the one who’s in here pushing for nationwide protests over a 3 percent tax increase on just a handful of the wealthiest among us, I’d say you’re the one who’s been completely “brainwashed”.
I won’t be standing outside tomorrow shilling because Donald Trump is going to have a few less dollars in his pocket in order to pay for the massive losses created by the Bush Administration.
That would be you.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:03 pmTim43 Says: higher taxes and so called, americans
What “higher taxes” are you referencing?
We are just as American as you. If you can’t debate the issues without calling us unpatriotic, then you are not worth listening to in the first place.
As for the rest of your post, there is nothing of substance, logic, or comprehensibility to comment.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:09 pmEasy.
Because you’re lying.
There’s no increase whatsoever in the working class tax schedules.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:10 pmAnd as for the un-American aspect to your post, it was the right wing that has told us for the past 8 years that it was un-Patriotic to not support the President.
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Deal with that one.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:12 pmWhy does Tim come in, puke and then leave?
April 14th, 2009 at 5:25 pm382. livelongandprosper Says: Why does Tim come in, puke and then leave?
It’s an all-purpose, cut-and-paste puke…on more than one thread…
April 14th, 2009 at 5:27 pm374. Crazy Cricket Cat Lady Says:
Hey Jay -
This pussy thinks, well, you’re a pussy.
Cheers!
Love it! :-D
April 14th, 2009 at 5:28 pmI was just out running errands and al I saw was smiling people, enjoying the first really warm day of spring, and spending money just like any normal spring day. And that’s what has the Reichwhiners in such a snit. It just doesn’t fit their paranoid worldview.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pmhanshiro the antlion Says:
382. livelongandprosper Says: Why does Tim come in, puke and then leave?
It’s an all-purpose, cut-and-paste puke…on more than one thread…
I saw that. It’s obvious that thinking is not one of Tim’s activities.
April 14th, 2009 at 5:34 pmI see jay pussied out completely.
What a surprise.
April 14th, 2009 at 6:51 pmThe only pussies here are people like you Ralph. This post proves it.
Answer the question.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:43 pmTim43 Says:
I never thought that i’d see the day where, so called, americans favored higher taxes and trusted government to actually spend your money wisely.
Wow, you folks have been completely brainwashed. The only explaination for your utter ignorance is the public education system. They stopped teaching history and the constitution in the 60’s and most of you are products of the later decades.
In the 1700’s you’d be called loyalists to the british monarchy. This definitely fits the profile considering most of you would bow, along side sean penn, to fidel castro and hugo chavez.
Media outlets like MSNBC and blogs like this have actually twisted your thinking and your anger against the working American citizens who are attending these tax protests. The same thing happened in the 1700s when the british monarchy turned the loyalists against the patriots who conducted the boston tea party.
How is it that you are not angry with a corrupt two party government that is using the working class to benefit their own agenda? DUH… big business is still getting bailed out. Money is still being diverted to lobbiests and unions. And, if you have a job, YOU ARE PAYING FOR IT.
Outstanding post.
I also see where Janet will be stalking all of us evil anti-ObamaNation tax payers this week. So enlightening to see the left doing even heavier Storm Trooping and Boot Kicking then they accused President Bush of doing the last 8 years. Do you liberals ever think that you are no better then others when it comes to tolerance? No…I didn’t think so.
Hypocrites…all of you liberals are.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:43 pmAre you saying that you supported Bush the last 8 years?
Obie is getting the same treatment from the right that you liberals gave Bush. I hope he enjoys it. Obie seems to enjoy the same policies that Bush had and you all complained about. Just another politician in my view.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:47 pmChange you can believe in.
Ya right. Same ol’ same ol’.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:49 pmOne more time, jay, since you appear to be slow on the uptake on tis issue:
I asked you a question first. You refused to answer it.
I will be glad to answer any question you pose to me, on the condition that you answer mine beforehand.
Does that sound fair to you?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:49 pmCan you explain the thought process that arrived at this bizarre conclusion? It seems really random. Or even delusional. But I’m sure you have a reasonable explanation.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:51 pmNow you want to be fair about things. Why don’t you answer the question and then I will answer yours? How’s that?
April 14th, 2009 at 7:51 pmYou had better hurry Ralph. I have things to do. You and your Ilk can spend hours here calling people names and being “The most intelligent people on the net” in your minds at least.
April 14th, 2009 at 7:59 pmSo, jay, did you just skip over the part where I pointed out that I asked you first, and then you refused to answer?
See, the way you want to do it makes no sense to grownups, or to grade school kids even. It makes me think you’re afraid to answer first, even though you were asked first.
(Of course, you weren’t even able to answer straight-up whether you thought what I proposed sounded fair to you, so I’m really not expecting much from you.)
April 14th, 2009 at 8:02 pmI’ll make it simple for you Ralph.
How’s this, “You first, then me”.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:05 pmWhy should I hurry? I have all night, and let’s face it, it shouldn’t take you that long to answer a simple question:
Do you ascribe this ratings success of Fox News to a triumph of the conservative message in the marketplace of ideas?
You’re the one who brought up Fox’s ratings, and I was just curious as to what you think that statistic demonstrates. You seem reluctant to elucidate.
By the way, I haven’t called you any names, nor have I ever declared myself as being among “The most intelligent people on the net”.
So put up or shut up, jay. If you’re running short of time, I can make my answer brief… once you hold up your end of the discussion, that is.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:06 pmjay, how do you justify that order, since I asked the first question and you refused to answer it for over seven hours?
Common sense would say that first question gets answered first, right?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pmI asked you what you thought of your question. Now if you will answer my question then I will answer yours. So simple a child can understand it Ralph.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:13 pmBecause it was my post that you interrupted and I control how things are to be answered, not you. You don’t control me, as much as you would like to, it’s your way. If you answer my question then I will answer yours.
Do you want an answer or not?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:16 pmjay, can you explain why you think I should answer your question (which was asked second) before you answer my question (which was asked first)?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:18 pmYour just playing your games and I don’t play. Does that sound familiar Ralph?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:19 pmPlayground stuff Ralph. If you want to talk to me then it’s going to be on my terms this time.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:21 pmPerhaps you’re not familiar with the way internet forums work. It’s impossible to “interrupt” someone’s comment. The poster types what he wants to say, then hits “Submit Comment”. Other posters can then reply.
I have no interest in ‘controlling you”. My only interest is in what you thought the larger implications are of Fox News achieving ratings success. You brought up the subject, I was hoping to get a little more clarity on what you were trying to say.
The fact that you interpret it as trying to “control” you says quite a lot about your self-image.
Again, why should I answer your question (which was asked second) before you answer mine (which was asked first)?
Oh, I do. It appears that i want an answer a lot more than you want to provide one. In fact, it looks like you are actively avoiding an answer.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:23 pmI agree, jay, that your tactics are like those more frequently found on the playground.
Does this mean you don’t want to have an adult conversation?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:24 pmDon’t give me that crap Ralph. Answer the question. No games.
You could care less about my answer. It could be answered with a simple yes or no. Your just playing games like you always do.
This time it’s my terms not yours.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:25 pmjay, you probably think I’m taking you seriously.
I suggest that you not bet the farm on that being accurate.
Just a friendly word of advice.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:26 pmYou wimping out Ralph. I don’t need a “friendly word of advice” from you Ralph. I always knew that you weren’t taking me seriously. You’re just playing games a usual. It’s what you do isn’t it?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:30 pmWhy should I answer your question (which was asked second) before you answer mine (which was asked first)? If you can give me a good reason, I’ll consider it. But if you simply continue to insist that I answer you first, then it just looks like you’re a coward.
Heeheehee… good one.
Wrong, jay. I’m really interested in it. But not at the expense of common sense principles of polite discourse. Besides, I really don’t trust you to answer once I give you mine.
Then why the nearly eight hours of stalling, and hemming and hawing? You could have ended this seven hours ago with a simple response. Ball’s in your court.
(”No games”, he says… heeheehee…)
Trying to get a straight answer to a question that’s being dodged is “playing games”? Damn, I hope for your sake you’re never under investigation for murder. You won’t like the questioning, if “Law & Order” is any guide.
Explain why, other than you want it that way.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:34 pmWow this Faiz Shakir is one big nutjob. How can he drive himself to work? Don’t they have a test or something in his state?
This is aweful.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:35 pmGet real Ralph. I’m not buying it. You want an answer then you know how to get one from me. My post, my rules, not yours.
You’re just a a way to waist time while I wait for last weeks sales figures so I can approve Thursday’s payroll.
You and the people here are just some way to pass the time.
So what do you think of the ratings thing?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:37 pmNo , jay, you’re wrong. I was taking you seriously when I asked you a question in which I was truly interested:
Do you ascribe this ratings success of Fox News to a triumph of the conservative message in the marketplace of ideas?
I’m still taking you half-seriously, but only because I want to see how far you’ll take these evasive maneuvers. But your unwillingness to answer a simple question — make that several simple questions, asked straight-up in simple English, has really made you into a figure of the absurd, jay. It’s really quite comical. And it has nothing to do with me. All you had to do, at any point along this line was answer the question.
Sometimes I do. Sometimes, when the others in the discussion have something to offer, I enjoy sharing views and encountering new information. But when the other has nothing to offer but ridiculous arguments and obvious roadblocks, then, sure, sometimes I’ll play games. It’s what you’re after, right jay? Otherwise you’d have long since gone home.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:41 pmDo you?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:43 pmSo, jay, it seems that when I ask, quite simply and reasonably, why should I answer your question (which was asked second) before you answer mine (which was asked first)? the only answer you can offer is “because I say so”. Do i have that about right?
Why should I express my view on the ratings thing, when you’re the one who brought it up, and yet you refuse to explain why you find it important enough to mention? I didn’t bring up the subject; you did. I simply wanted to hear in more detail what you thought it meant. For some reason, you’re reluctant to reveal this privileged information.
face it, jay, you’re the one who’s playing games, and when you accuse me of that behavior, it’s simply an uncomplicated example of Freudian projection.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:48 pmYou amuse me and it helps to pass the time at work. Nothing more. I don’t care for any of the leftists that populate this site pretending to be enlightened people all the while they call names.
Now you, your just playing games. This time on my terms.
Amusement, that’s all.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:48 pmThat’s not an answer, jay.
You first.
Simple.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:49 pmRight!
April 14th, 2009 at 8:50 pmI thought you said “No games”?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:52 pmThen answer the question Ralph.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:53 pmTimes running out. I have to get some work done, people depend on me for a living.
I can’t wait for your liberal friends to get here and join in the “Bash Jay” fest that happens here when I come to post.
Answer the question Ralph.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:56 pmYou first.
Or else, justify why i should go first.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:58 pmGlad I can amuse you by chasing after you to answer a simple question. I bet you like balloon animals, right, jay? I understand those can be quite amusing for people like you, too.
You say, “I don’t care for any of the leftists that populate this site pretending to be enlightened people all the while they call names.”
You know what’s weird? When I know that there’s a place where a lot of people I don’t care for are going to be congregating, I try to stay away from that place.
You do realize that I haven’t called you names, right, jay? Well… I did call you a “pussy” but you earned that. I still think you’re a pussy, but only after hours of you studiously avoiding answering a simple question and trying to pretend like I was the one playing games. By the way, wouldn’t calling someone a “leftist” be kind of like “calling names”?
Can you justify why your terms, besides that you want it that way? Is there some rational argument that should make me recognize the validity of your demand?
April 14th, 2009 at 8:58 pmBecause the last time we spent time together it was on your terms. Today it will be on my terms Ralph.
April 14th, 2009 at 8:59 pmYou really think a “ticking clock” is gonna affect me? BFD if you have to go do what you have to do? (By the way, you sound real important jay. I’m very impressed. I have a whole new respect for you now.)
Self-absorbed much?
You first.
Or justify why i should go first.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:01 pmWhat exactly were “my terms”, jay?
Was that the time I unreasonably demanded that a straight question should be answered before the courtesy of a rebuttal should be addressed?
Refresh my memory.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:02 pmWhy not? If you truly want an answer from me then you can go first. The thing is, you don’t really care for an answer from me. You just enjoy my company Ralph.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:04 pmYou’re wrong, jay. I am interested in your response to my question. But it’s not worth jettisoning the standard rules for polite discourse, and besides, I don’t trust you to hold up your end of the deal once I’ve gone.
I don’t enjoy your company per se, but I do enjoy seeing you squirm trying to invent new and more outlandish ways to avoid the question and trying to dump responsibility on me.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:08 pmWell now Ralph, you have a short memory. You demand and badger and request links to dominate the discussion. Not tonight.
I don’t care for a “rebuttal” from you Ralph, besides your question isn’t that important. You just want a reason to play some sort of twisted game and the question isn’t important to you.
So why don’t you answer the question Ralph?
April 14th, 2009 at 9:09 pmYou keep telling yourself that Ralph. I should trust you though. Not in this lifetime Ralph.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:11 pmNice chatting with you Ralph. I have work to do. You just go on and play your game with the next person who comes along and doesn’t know your tactics. Sorry that your friends didn’t get here in time to gang up on me again. You post your answer and if I have time later, I’ll check in to see what it is.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:14 pmI don’t have to keep telling myself anything, jay.
The math is pretty simple:
I asked you a question.
You refused to answer, and asked me a silly return question.
You then insisted that i answer your question first.
You never explained why I should answer your question first, nor did you even ever acknowledge that my question came before yours.
Most people, looking at that situation, would conclude that you were afraid for some reason to answer.
When you go off to sign payroll (very impressive, did I mention that?) all you’ll do is seal the result that was never in doubt anyway.
I hope you’ve enjoyed squirming as much as I’ve enjoyed watching you squirm.
Congrats on the Troll Hall of Fame nod, by the way. You earned it.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:19 pmJust the type of post I expected from you Ralph. You didn’t disappoint me.
You are who you are. I should trust you right? OBTW I don’t squirm. Not for people like you. I know the type of person that you are.
April 14th, 2009 at 9:30 pmWell, jay, I have given you no reason not to trust me. When you have asked me a question, I have either answered it or explained why I wouldn’t at the time.
You, on the other hand, have repeatedly dodged, ignored and avoided simple, reasonable questions about your comments, and even more, you wouldn’t explain why you wouldn’t answer, beyond “because I say so”. So yeah, I have considerable distrust in your integrity on these boards.
When you say, “Just the type of post I expected from you Ralph. You didn’t disappoint me,” you of course didn’t elaborate and you have shown yourself to be one who’s comfortable leaving his comments nebulous. So I’ll just assume you meant that you expected an articulate, expressive and clearly outlined comment from me. Thanks.
BTW, If you don’t squirm, then you were doing a hell of an imitation of it back there.
But I have found your performance amusing. Thanks again.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:00 pmLike I said Ralph, I don’t squirm especially for people like you.
You were the amusing one today. Thanks.
Yes it was just the type of response I expected from you. It’s what you do, just like all the others here.
You still won’t answer the question and that says quite a lot. Your question wasn’t dodged it was ignored. You refused to answer the same question.
Sorry Ralph, I won’t bend to your will. You want an answer then you know how to get it. On my terms Pal.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:10 pmThis whole thread is a bunch of sour grapes from the Liberals.
You’re all scared and that was my original post. I stick to it.
Why would Ali post it in the first place. It scares you to see people organizing against you.
It will only get bigger in the next couple of years. This is just the beginning. Increases in the gas tax and tobacco tax will be first then the carbon tax, and eventually a broad tax to pay for Obie’s extravagant spending. You’re trying too hard to play it down and ignore it. The spending has to be paid for and you people here think it’s free.
Enjoy.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:25 pmFox News keeps saying that they’re not “promoting” these events, they’re “covering” them. That’s bullshit! The events in question haven’t happened yet, so how can they call it “covering” them?
Yes, news channels talk about upcoming events all the time, such as the Super Bowl or the Academy Awards ceremonies, but that’s still not “covering” those events, that’s still “promoting” them.
By constantly focusing on an event that hasn’t actually happened yet, they are promoting it, not covering it. When it actually happens (or afterward) and they talk about it, then they are covering it.
April 14th, 2009 at 10:59 pm“I can’t wait for your liberal friends to get here and join in the “Bash Jay” fest that happens here when I come to post.”
This is the first honest thing that Jay has said all night. Jay, the first time I ran into you (posting as “Jay”, anyway), you purportedly were having a little get together at your ‘place’ and were trying to impress your little friends with how you could take over a thread on a progressive blogsite. You had to have the last word, be the last “man” standing. That was your sole purpose. It’s always all about you.
Get some professional help, please.
April 14th, 2009 at 11:15 pmjay sez:
April 15th, 2009 at 1:16 amIt will only get bigger in the next couple years.
Nahhh, NASCAR season will start soon…
Well why don’t you try reading what I wrote? Then you wouldn’t need to ask foolish redundant questions.
I supported Bush for almost 2 years and if you were old enough back then you’d remember that most democrats supported him up until he decided to play Napoleon in the Middle East.
You on the other hand, haven’t given this President one week of support, nor have any of your far right wing traitors.
You call yourself a Patriot?
You don’t even know what the word means.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:25 amWe’re scared?
uhhh…we’re not the ones frantically trying to shill for his party in an opposition party blog.
:|
That would be you.
April 15th, 2009 at 4:29 amjay Says:
This whole thread is a bunch of sour grapes from the Liberals.
…absolutely right ststement…but then again…Liberals are quite used to snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.
Oh…and answer the question Ralph…the other guy asked first. Trying to act like an internet bully is a tactic of the Boot Kicking Left around here.
April 15th, 2009 at 7:27 amAnd you’re the same self centered “pissant” that you always were Jane.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:30 amNo Pal, I’m the open minded one posting in a close minded blog.
“Things are a changin” and you lefties are scared to see so many speaking out against your nonsense.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:32 amYou’re a little child with your posts here Pal. I am giving this president all the respect that the Liberals gave George Bush when he was elected. It’s Obies turn now.
As far as being a Patriot, you don’t know the meaning of the word or the meaning of sacrifice either. I sacrificed 5 years active duty and 15 years in the reserves for this country Pal. You have a nerve to question my patriotism but you liberals always did hate the military.
You never supported Bush so stop with the lies. I’m not fooled by your attempt to make yourself out to be anything but what you are.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:40 amjay, you have every right to your opinion of me — I think it’s borne of conflict and your frustration at having nothing meaningful to say — but when I see you call a really valuable contributor like Jane a “self-centered pissant” it makes it clear that you have no class, nothing to offer and really poor judgment. And anybody who took the time to peruse this thread would recognize that pretty quickly.
Except maybe you teabagging buddy, RealityChecked.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:09 amWell, Isn’t that just wonderful! Another perfect example of the tolerant and diverse Left who always wants to hear all voices! I thought it was the evil Repub conservatives that were hateful and intolerant? You know..wouldn’t allow others to voice their opinion..unlike the liberal lefties. True colors come shining through!
April 15th, 2009 at 11:19 amIn your mind Ralph. I had no illusions as to how I was going to be treated by you close minded people here. Jane is a “pissant” as is quite evident in her posts.
And yes, I am entitled to my opinion and it’s backed by the responses made by the people here.
I have more class than the posters here. You, however are just being who you are. I don’t have any illusions that I will ever change your mind about anything.
You just play games and only want to be stroked by your fellow posters here. I also have more balls then the closed minded liberals here. You’re an amusing fellow Ralph. So full of yourself.
Answer the question Ralph.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:39 amThanks, ralph. :D I had actually responded to that comment, but the TP censors ate my comment, so I’ll rephrase it here:
jay Says:
And you’re the same self centered “pissant” that you always were Jane.
April 15th, 2009 at 10:30 am
“Self-centered”? I’m not the one spending hours arguing bullshyte just to get attention. “Pissant”? Nah. Bytch, maybe, pissant, no.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:44 amStroke, stroke, stroke. See Ralph you’re getting the attention that you’re looking for.
April 15th, 2009 at 11:46 amJay’s talking to his mirror again: “You just play games and only want to be stroked…”
“I don’t have any illusions that I will ever change your mind about anything.”
Then why are you here? Do you really think that arguing that you think we’re scared of the wacky, idiotic teabaggers is going to change anyone’s mind about anything?
April 15th, 2009 at 11:51 amI’m here because you are here. Do I think that you’re scared Jane? Yes. Times are a changin’.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:00 pm“Do I think that you’re scared Jane? Yes.”
Then Jay, once again, you are wrong.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:23 pmScared stiff that people are organizing against Obies massive spending programs. Hell he didn’t even read the bill he signed. Not a very smart guy in my mind. He should have at least read what he put his signature on.
April 15th, 2009 at 12:40 pmjay, you have repeatedly accused us of being closed-minded here.
Yet your accusations are based on nothing substantial offered by you, other than our disagreeing with you.
You don’t back up your points, you ignore direct questions, you complain about name-calling and then engage in the same behavior you decry, and sad to say, jay, you have shown no class on the threads. If as you claim you have more class than the posters here then you’re keeping it to yourself.
(And besides, I’ve always found that people who declare themselves to have class almost never really do. People that i’ve known with true class know that others will recognize it if it’s there, and to draw attention to it destroys it.)
The weird thing is you claim that you knew what to expect here, it seems to bother you (enough to name-call, at least) and yet you willingly come here to subject yourself to this treatment.
If you were amused as you claim, then it was a win-win, because I found your antics amusing as well. But somehow I suspect that your unpleasant rhetoric and your fairly obvious psychological projections hint at a less-than-amused subtext.
I wish you a good day of teabagging.
April 15th, 2009 at 1:34 pmRalph you obviously don’t read what is posted here by your fellow bloggers.
It’s all in print here Ralph. So who is closed minded?
April 15th, 2009 at 1:57 pmHere are the threads that your leaders are posting here for your fellow bloggers to comment on.
I have my eyes wide open, it is obvious that you don’t.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pmNow Ralph, you should go and read how the people who you align yourself with here respond to those subjects.
My proof is better than any link that you all insist on me quoting.
April 15th, 2009 at 2:07 pmHAVE ALL LIBERALS LOST common sense ?
PEOPLE … WAKE UP !!!! Start researching history and stop blindly following your dear college progressive teachers!!! Most of college professors are liberals and cheer for big State, big government because they need it to survive !!!! most of them can not leave on a reward efficiency and productivity environment.
YOUNG PEOPLE of AMERICA !!!!
I have lived 35 years in a 3rd world country where government is always the solution !!!
THOSE countries , including my home nation, ARE STILL 3rd WORLD country!!!!
Taxes are needed at some extent to protect THE PEOPLE and assure their freedom and rights. Government was never meant to control THE PEOPLE.
Just think for one minute: If had made 1000 USD today and have it in your wallet, would you be better serving your country by choosing how to spend it , even if you choose to donate all of it or hire a handy man to fix your place or if you were allowed to keep only 500?
This is what big Government means. Someone that has “the law” on their side, grabs 50% of your work pay and uses for their own political gain!!!
It is so stupid to think a politician can better take care of you or your community or the country , than yourself!!!!
Keep giving government more money and they will keep getting more!
Keep giving away your freedom and soon USA will be a 3rd World country!
Stop relying on government to “help” the need. Start doing it yourself!!!!
Unless, of course you are part of the increasing population of non tax payers that only receive goodies from the government , who is taking money from the people who really generate jobs and wealth.
PLEASE WEAKE UP !!! I am not even a voter! I am an Immigrant that has lived the ways of progressive government! Educate your self. You do not need to agree with me on everything, but have common sense and see beyond the political party glasses.
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